Beyond God-Realization (Thots On Leo Gura, Connor Murphy, And Jordan Peterson)

(captions now available) Video exploring the Realms and developments after "God Realization", temporarily transcending the self vs. permanent dropping away of the self, the source of "spiritual egos", and why after the Path is completed, "Spirituality" it self is lost another tool/program/fabrication...and after you've beat the game, accumulated all the fruits, Insights and Wisdom and experiences, and even woken up from the the matrix by using it as a set of tool to ejaculate your character out of the dream-street through what can only be perceived in retro-spec as being merely more fabrications - a Big Cosmic Joke that must be transcended for the the seeker to transcend for the Natty State :D
0:00 TimeStamps
4:05 What Is The Purpose Of Abiding As Consciousness?
6:46 Dissolving Spirituality
7:22 What Are Chakras And Kundalini Energy?
9:03 Why You Have To Be Nothing Before You Can Be Everything
10: What Are "Spiritual Highs" And "Dark Night Of The Soul"?
11:41 Stages Of Awakening Explained
13:35 Transcending The Universal Mind
15:03 How To Do Self Inquiry
17:33 Mystics and Sages vs. Full Natty State
19:29 Source Of Spiritual Ego
20:01 Zen 10 Ox Herding Pictures
22:07 Absolute Normie
23:11 Arahat vs. Bodhisattva vs. Buddha
24:52 Unconditional Love
26:29 There Are Not "Spiritual Knowledge".
27:17 What Is Dependent Origination?
28:14 Why Consciousness Is Not The Ground Of Being
35:49 What Are Jhanas?
36:30 Setting Your Self On Fire
Expanding on last video • Life After Enlightenme...
RE: to • Making Sense Of Jordan...
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[@Hezzahk]

So true realisation is beyond the spiritual path? So is the spiritual path required for true realisation? Or can it just happen without doing anything? Without striving towards a goal?

[@frankyang]

No spirituality as a path is not required. Some people wake up spontaneously. Some people get stuck in spirituality for decades without realizing that spirituality itself is what's keeping them from waking up. Some people wake up but fall back asleep because their new spiritual egos pull them back into playing the spirituality game/role. Spirituality is just a set of tools, none of it actually has anything to do with enlightenment at the end, and eventually after Realization you realize spirituality is just another program no different from any other programs. All fabrications of the dream state. Tools for you to ejaculate yourself out of the dream. Once you're out the entire paradigm of spirituality becomes a story. The whole notion of enlightenment, God-Realization, emptiness and non duality becomes a big cosmic joke. I can tell you from direct experience my 93 year old grandma is more enlightened than 90 percent of the young spiritual kunts going around screaming "everything is One/God/Consciousness" and all she does is watch soap operas. "There's more truth to a blade of grass than the entire history of spirituality" - Adyashanti. Highly check out his book "End Of Your World", he's the only modern mainstream teacher who talks about true No-Self and transcending spirituality

[@Hezzahk]

@@frankyang 🤯

[@frankyang]

@@moomoocowsly yes everything I say is ultimately void. Buddha himself said all Dharmas are empty. I still making spirituality videos to deconstruct the trappings I see on most peoples Path just so people don't waste thief time, and also because I have nothing else to talk about lol it's like when I made fitness videos even years after I stopped taking fitness seriously. But you should definitely explore all aspects of the path before you deconstruct spirituality. One of my faults is delivering insights directly from my current level of understanding, :///

[@frankyang]

@@moomoocowsly haha I have no idea. That's why I never let my Realizations sink in before I talk about it, because it might be totally contradictory tomorrow.

[@ethanjohnson3642]

@@frankyang I think one of the truest things you've said is for nonduality to be truly nondual it has to have all dualites. This has made the moments were you seemingly make no sense or give unsatisfactory answers totally okay in a way.

[@yamdagni]

There's a Indian saying in hindi, "Laut ke buddhu ghar ko aaye" roughly meaning "After searching/looking everywhere, the fool came back home."

[@frankyang]

Yes even the Buddha disappears

[@srijeetm]

@@frankyang BuddhU ≠ BuddhA ;)

[@Danyl99]

A BUDDHA MEANS ONE WHO IS ABOVE HIS INTELLECT A BUDDHU MEANS ONE WHO IS BELOW HIS INTELLECT

[@Bamdur123]

My ego is attached to new frank yang uploads, I can not transcend the craving and aversion

[@Holywalk1]

But You aren’t and you can and already have.

[@lucasdesiqueira6122]

The comments are Also a vice haha

[@ninalee2697]

Hey Frank, I'm watching your videos for about 8 years. I like to listen to your insights and I'm really happy for you. 🧡

[@ConnorMurphyOfficial]

This gave me a RessurErection

[@walterwhite2658]

Don’t worry I’m here with you

[@walterwhite2658]

Glad you’re okay man

[@highermind4151]

Lol

[@consciouscontemplation2418]

hahahahahaa

[@mementomori5374]

😝😝😝😝😝😝

[@mohmj6815]

great stuff, as always

[@vedremo9240]

Happy to see you much calmer and sober in this video

[@KevinFalcon96]

Your love radiates like light beams from the sun Fronky. It’s a blessing to see. Love you❤️

[@frankyang]

So is yours !

[@jd_9613]

Thank you, think im finally starting to understand enlightenment!

[@frankyang]

2 Nisargadatta Maharaj quotes that explains this “Wisdom is knowing I am nothing, Love is knowing I am everything, and between the two my life moves" "As you watch your mind, you discover your self as the watcher. When you stand motionless, only watching, you discover your self as the light behind the watcher. The source of light is dark, unknown is the source of knowledge. That source alone is. Go back to that source and abide there". 😎🏠😄🫑😀😄

[@phaee]

yo frank its phil~ i'm working on a podcast with my brother for the twnese audience. we should do something together man

[@halftruthhandyman]

Exactly 🙏🏽

[@frankyang]

@@phaee Phil !

[@frankyang]

@@phaee send me an email at [e-mail]

[@frankyang]

@@phaee my DM gets flooded and I don't always read comments on here send me an email Phil that's where I keep contact with people who are clients and podcast interviewers miss you bro ;)

[@styloitaliano]

Frank, knowing that the sleeping ego is just as much asleep as the mystic with the single difference that he's aware of his slumber, was an eye opener. I guess that until the final awakening we have to keep burning wood and halos till there's none left.

[@Darksagan]

I am hooked. This is my favorite video from Frank I find myself coming back to it often. Wish you would make more videos.

[@BitcoinBaller]

Congratulations on your journey thus far you have dropped some major gems

[@psyckla5]

Frank, thank you for being an inspiration, I've been following you since the Brad Pitt from Fight Club days and you've been massively influencial on bringing up my spiritual and physical goals

[@Doxographophobe]

"dream is already a non-conscious experience" - you that helped me more than anything else you ever said

[@SamRoff]

Awesome video brother

[@PsychedelicActualization]

Much Love, very appreciated ❤️🙏🏽

[@jdubs9266]

Dude frank i could listen to you all day. Ive been in a really dark nihilistic phase lately. So much so that i have been contemplating suicide. I just couldnt find any reason or meaning in any aspect of my life. Everything felt so extremely dull. So pointless. An inablity to connect with anything or anyone. Its like all my motivation to exist at all just suddenly vanished out of thin air. No purpose or place... i had already been through the earlier stages of awakening with the help of psychedelics that started a few years ago. Had many spiritual highs followed by the lows... ive recently given up all forms of stimulation that provided me with altered states of conciousness (weed, porn, caffein, psychedelics, alcohol, prescription drugs, etc) and since then ive been feeling extremely nihilistic. After watching this video and recent content by Leo Gura, ive realized i may very well be going through the final stages of my awakening aka the dark night of the soul. It makes perfect sense. Ive completely burned down my entire indentity and sense of self through spiritual work the last few years so i guess im now finally picking up the debree. Its like out of nowhere i started feeling ok again. Both you and Leo posted a video at the perfect place and time in my life that it all makes sense now. Wasnt aware that i was simply going through the final stages of awakening. Your videos are so very well articulated and helped explain perfectly what im going through. I owe you immense amounts of grattitude my friend. Thanks for helping put things into perspective. Your content is helping save my life. 🙏🙏

[@zaynumar0]

How old are you J Dubs. Nothing matters and everything matters.

[@JoshuaRichardson123]

How are you doing buddy? Hope you are well :)

[@noahseip3722]

Great content!

[@andrea_germany]

You look very much in peace, Frank. It's beautiful to behold.

[@VahnAeris]

ho yeh I m gonna listen this entire thing, thanks frank I love everyone connor, leo, and you.

[@Fakery]

Thanks for sharing

[@rajeev.lochan.tripathi]

THIS is what's looked for. THIS can't be found. THIS can't be lost. - JIM NEWMAN

[@Fakery]

JUST THIS

[@Self-Duality]

“The deepest state of unity includes both oneness and separateness.” ❤️♾🌟

[@sirelegant2002]

Surprised and delighted to see you here friend 🙂

[@Self-Duality]

@@sirelegant2002 Frank Yang is a genuine metaphysician! How could I not appreciate his work/play?

[@sirelegant2002]

​@@Self-Duality Yes it's hard not to appreciate. I wasn't aware you were into classic "awakening experiences" and now I'm intrigued as to how you integrate these into your fascinating worldview. It seems the rabbit hole just keeps going deeper and deeper...

[@Self-Duality]

@@sirelegant2002 I had an unconventional childhood, shall we say - I’ve been in what’s called the “natural state” since age 4/5 - keep an eye out for more personal testimony videos 🤭🌞💭 I started with visceral awakening and subsequently integrated abstract metaphysics, not the reverse!

[@mongopoju]

Thank you Fronk you're a great teacher! This video really resonated with me

[@cablepp]

THANK you for this Frank, true inspiration

[@vegangainzhue4548]

love your vids frank

[@joelmounts3336]

Thank you for this sir 🙏

[@buffgarfield5250]

man this is good content

[@godsdeadtrylsdinstead2588]

Aweome to hear, Ive been reading “Be As You Are” by Ramana Maharshi and youre able to describe self enquiry just as well. Props!

[@rudrashakti1466]

Wauw! You say that you finished the cycle and ´became´ a normie again. But how is it possible so much energy is coming from you? I feel immense power coming from you piercing my body very intensely. What an amazing channel btw sir!. new subscriber

[@dmtdreamz7706]

Ayy yooo ❤

[@Dullen93]

What do you mean with your Kundalini bit? I've had this really painful opening up to reality for like 2 years ago and from what my understanding tells me: my regression was me "wavering" and i'm eventually headed for the same state as back then, i.e. one with everything, thoughts aligning perfectly with the outer mirror, extreme pain from simply breathing - as if I was in this godless, doomed state, caught in an endless cycle of trying to cope with my cosmically hopeless situation - but cured from illnesses tied to the physical body. I feel lost, but kind of like comfortable in my sense of not knowing, and grown much more disciplined and content, but other than that I haven't made much progress.

[@dancingoneness8348]

You sharing is very fresh

[@Jarem64Oficial]

Hey Frank, you are my HERO. You saved me from this wild life.

[@ryleymagel512]

Much love Frank take care.

[@madsue11]

Awesome. Thank you

[@bugrist]

I think you deserve my/everyone's extreme appreciation.

[@3260ELEMENT]

Hey Frank, do you have any best advice for getting to the a&p with mahasi noting? Thanks for your video dude 🙏

[@Der49Ronin]

So if I think nonduality is love, everything is unconditional (free) love and that love is a mirror, even though im not experiencing nonduality moment to moment 24/7, is that already stage three or stage two?

[@adigigiwupe3349]

Hello There!! Thanks for video But dreamless sleep isnt it conciusiones of no thing?

[@bike4aday]

Hi Frank! If I understand correctly, as long as one keeps applying insight practice to their experiences and deconstructing them then they'll keep progressing along the path?

[@frankyang]

Yes that's one way, namely Vipasanna but you can also use self inquiry or even psychedelics but ultimately it's very important to observe and deconstruct the true nature of any experiences down to the smallest component.

[@NubOzoneMA]

thank you frank

[@rasputozen]

"They haven't realized that nirvana is samsara." The ultimate selfishness is selflessness. Why? Because we're not condemned to die, we're condemned to live. Matter is neither created nor destroyed. For eternity we will eat where we shit. The snake eating its own tail. A mirror with no sides and no end that reflects everything endlessly until it collides with its reciprocal. Karma. That's why all true spiritual practices focus on getting our shit handled.

[@besirtgen5535]

Beautiful.

[@rasputozen]

@Bradley Douglas Where do you wish to go?

[@thekorv95]

Nice one bruvvah. best vid to date (iguess). i really liked it and it was very insightful and really easy to follow along. I never got any good questions i want to ask because they always answer themselves. Love you Frank! ps. why the fuck did i get teary eyed writing that hahaha

[@frankyang]

love you tooo bruhhh

[@life13525]

Thank you soo much, Frank...never heard it explained it so clearly...🦄...you do hear though of some popping like that without any stages)...just wondering if they had very little solidity to "transcend"...?

[@psybitcoin]

I am very afraid of death... What do you recommend me to do?

[@bamseper]

Gotta love Frank doing a 20 minute video with 6 ads then immediately doing a 40 minute video with 0 ads xD

[@frankyang]

I really try to turn off all adds but sometimes I fuck it up lol

[@infinitebeing21]

Hey Frank, I've a question , when the physical body of an enlightened being dies then what happens afterwards ?

[@inferguidesintimaciesofthe355]

My best guess: Infinity

[@nascorob]

This is helpful Frank, can you do a video directly talking more about the Natty/Normy state, ie what is Experience without an “I” actually like lol ? Or quoteonquote “direct” experience is still functioning in in the world still present just without a centre point or identity etc thanks m8 🙏👍

[@crappycigar9665]

Amazing explication, Frank. I think you covered just about everything. "ground of being" becomes groundlessness of being. Nothing to stand on.

[@Ledhoven]

What does your mind think of lacans mirror stage or Spinoza god is a being of infinite attributes?

[@cloudryder3497]

Beautiful paradox.

[@Halston.]

perceiving your reality and liking what is seen

[@zealousswede]

I'd love it if you made a commentary on Bernardo Kastrup's idealism!!

[@JPxKillz]

Love bernardo

[@no80dy50]

You've been missed Frong . Blessed perspective.

[@NubOzoneMA]

frank is the only youtuber who wants you to stop watching his videos, but we just keep watching coz hes so good

[@jaywhy91]

Frank have you continued to workout after reaching the full natty state? Or is working out not important from your new perspective?

[@joshkingfitness1604]

I believe Frank said previously he still works out as he enjoys it but is less attached to his “meat suit” and the outcome of training 👌🏻

[@theultimatedisciple7974]

All the spiritual people I have met their cognitive processes have prioritised intuition (what is implied) over sensing (the data) !!!!! This isn’t coincidence!!!! You’re one of the most intuitive types Frank!!!!

[@fightington]

Frank your vids are amazing. I find Ken Wilber's maps much easier to follow though if anyone else is confused here

[@blackrhino44]

Fascinating. 🦧🍿🙏🏼

[@0113Naruto]

Frank, what mainstream yogis and mystics do you know that are not fully “done”? Is Kapil Gupta one? I can’t tell if he’s fully done or not.

[@iJuceYou]

Damn Frank, this is a very eye opening. You need to listen Gregg Braden.

[@nils9208]

Hi Frank, following is an comment from Leo's forum that summarises imo the view of many people in his community on this topic : "I think Frank misunderstands Leo. When he says I've been there in God-consciousness/realization state persistently over a year and a half and then went beyond to completely lose any center - this is not a state Leo talks about I also went through the stages to completely lose the center, like that bubble of self gets bigger and bigger until it dissolves completely but those are all still unalerted states of consciousness "sober" states. They don't feel nearly as solipsistic as 5-MeO trips, not even close. It's important to make this distinction because Leo talks about more ecstatic states which are clearly "alerted" states of consciousness. There's a pretty clear sort of feeling to them like when you snort 5-MeO and start to feel the effects, it's pretty clear you've ingested the substance and it's alerted state now. There's no such feeling to natty states Frank talks about, but as a tradeoff you miss a shitton of ecstasy and deep "understanding" Leo would call it At the same time, Frank has this obsession with "it" having to be a natural state which is unalerted. I personally don't see why a constant state of 5-MeO (even if alerted and chemically, artificially induced) wouldn't be "it" I agree with Frank about cessation showing clearly consciousnesses impermanence. And the problem is that Leo should IMO become much better meditator to have a more complete understanding and Frank should do more powerful psychedelics now, after his center/self-loss Frank misses much much deeper levels of solipsistic God discovery and Leo misses dependent origination, cessation expieriences" Have you considered taking 5 meo dmt again ? You could also answer on the forum : www.actualized.org/forum/topic/65952-frank-yangs-video-response-to-leos-video-about-stage-turquoise/#comment-902586

[@frankyang]

This is spot on hahaha amazing summary. So this really comes down to "exploring altered states of consciousness" vs "enlightenment" the 2 overlap but they're not exactly the same. I tend to lean towards enlightenment work and Leo consciousness work. So it's actually a sweet combo for people who are interested in both. I'm willing to try psychedelics more yes but I haven't felt a calling for it yet. I think it's cool Leo and I share a lot of similar stuff but also coming from different angles and people are exposed to both :) enlightenment is an un-altered states of consciousness while the stuff Leo talks about is not, but that does not mean you can't explore altered states from the Full Natty State. But the thing I wanted to point out is the difference between the 2, since most people confused enlightenment with exotic altered states of consciousness. Ps. I kinda let go of the idea and attachment that sober way is the way. I see both meditation and enlightenment as both just being tools, and the effects and content of both techniques are mainly the dissolution of the separate self. This does NOT mean you can't explore those content.

[@blizzred2143]

@@frankyang This is so clear and concise thank you for leaving this comment I have a greater understanding of what you are getting across! 🙏

[@humanoid8344]

If it comes and goes, don't worry about it

[@0113Naruto]

Kapil Gupta is a guru on Twitter and I can’t tell where he’s at? Can you do research on him please maybe a video?????

[@raema2]

Hi Frank I believe my wife is highly spiritual and sensitive as you are. She is suffering from bipolar psychosis. Along with psychiatric care how do you suggest for her and I to help process it on a spiritual level. Thanks 🙏

[@raema2]

Somehow I exploded her ego and she is trying to explain it to me. It is hard to understand because it is counterintuitive to my ego.

[@raema2]

She’s feeling better 🤗 she is an Oracle, a highly sensitive person, and we’re boosting and healing each other 🥲

[@kaibuchan]

so is it difficult to realize when you have achieved true enlightenment? some people get caught up in blissful states of consciousness and think they have achieved enlightenment. when you get there is it easy to tell/distinguish?

[@frankyang]

Emm that's a really good question... I'd say the easiest way to tell is wait for a month to a year :) see Realizations are always laced with experiences which is in of itself not the thing but how the character responses to the opening, if after some time the Realization/Shift to what IS is permanent then it is what it is. But most can't fool themselves because without a genuine Realization you go back to the ego State very quickly, that's also why you see many seekers continue to use psychedelics to "pump" themselves to certain "states", without distinguishing the difference between by products of Realization and Realization itself.

[@kaibuchan]

@@frankyang ❤️❤️

[@inferguidesintimaciesofthe355]

@Frank Yang how do I know when I have entered the stream?

[@yannik3229]

Hey Frank, when are the other shirts and tank tops dropping on your website?

[@petereinheit2031]

Thanks Frank, go on.

[@elvsolit]

"What is the sound of one hand clapping?" I DONT KNOW 😂😂😂❤

[@Ndo01]

Insightful video. I think as soon as there are any thoughts or perceptions, they are already wrong. No matter how beautiful or mystical an experience, that is all it is. In the sensed, only the sensed. In the cognized, only the cognized. No insights are any closer to ultimate truth because there is no ultimate truth to get closer too.

[@sophie8977]

Frank, thank you for your videos. Could you make one about how to do self inquiry?

[@ChristianSuarez-gz1ig]

Just ask genuine questions towards your self regarding "who am I?" During your day ... let it become a burning desire to use this self inquiry to discover who you really are.. I'm not Frank but hope it helps 🙂 then you'll know what you're not, n what you are when you use this concept as a "tool" & apply it to your meditation & witness your inner world or you can even witness the external world because it'll all fall away into the space where outside inside allness nothingness being nonbeing is same

[@khagemba1]

Check his vids, I think he has one already

[@Sudegink]

I'm in love with that background music ! I feel like it's an intro for the dub techno track. I'd really like to know its name.

[@averageman4372]

What's the relationship between food and enligntenment? How important is it to facilitate the journey? Have you experienced interminent fasting (Sadhguru recommends it)? Our meat suit is made of food after all!

[@MW-fh8xh]

Frank, for me you are the most trustworthy living expression of being on earth or in aether. I Love you ❤

[@jamesfischbach4502]

For I concur the ideas shown in this video by Frank Yang.

[@e602505]

How do you know there is nothing beyond your realization when what is beyond it is inaccessible to your realization to access it?

[@kabirpandeya7025]

Your valid my g

[@highermind4151]

Explained perfectly

[@ayoubzahiri1918]

"He who says 'I' mocks himself by comparison;he who says 'He' lies.Only he who keeps silent is saved" -Ibn Sab'in

[@phuongthaodang5530]

Frank, it would be great if you become a spiritual teacher, and guide people through these dark path to enlightenment. Looking forward to your next uploads

[@flonga1]

Thank you Frank Yang love u love all

[@Duck72432]

Can you expand on excepting mortality? I agree this is important for peace in the classical sense of individualisation. But what about Conor claiming he’s God and lives forever and if he dies he just respawns? (Doesn’t seem to except death) Or Jesus saying “those who understand these words shall not taste death” ? Or no self mediators claiming to not exist or already be dead. Or Mooji simply telling children they are not going to die (doesn’t sit right with me) How do all the perspectives link together?

[@EpicRSvids]

Frank; what are your thoughts on consciousness of child or baby compared to these concepts discussed

[@frankyang]

A child is enlightened, but he doesn't have the meta-Cognition to to Realize this, and before he can truly experience Reality without any lenses of perception he's already been conditioned to think otherwise.

[@crappycigar9665]

@@frankyang not sure i would agree that baby's state is equivalent since baby isn't aware that Illusion is possible. But maybe that's not what you're saying

[@frankyang]

@@crappycigar9665 it's being in the state of a baby while having the meta - cognition of the state but that's already saying too much

[@crappycigar9665]

@@frankyang thanks, yea that makes sense. I think some people confuse it with the idea of returning to a child-like state, which doesn't resonate here. A child wouldn't normally laugh at the absurdity of behavior, for example. And a child is almost immediately afflicted with longing.

[@rajeev.lochan.tripathi]

Is a child in the natural state of No-Self automatically and naturally?

[@yoshosh2]

Woowoo new video yöaaa

[@yoshosh2]

Bro you completed the Zen circle? ✌️🙏

[@cloudryder3497]

So what happens next?

[@Reppintimefitness]

Whats good bro

[@kristofihans6626]

What do you think about solipsism

[@mattrkelly]

What do you think of big wig zen masters (Sasaki Roshi, Maezumi Roshi) not needing to act enlightened?

[@frankyang]

Because they erase even the duality between awakening and not awakening

[@flashpadxxx]

I'm done..i think I have to accept that I'm done .it's over

[@nicolematta1160]

Lol i feel you

[@alchemicalhealing7677]

Yassssssss 🎉

[@ayoubzahiri1918]

“I want that love that moved the mountains. I want that love that split the ocean. I want that love that made the winds tremble. I want that love that roared like thunder. I want that love that will raise the dead. I want that love that lifts us to ecstasy. I want that love that is the silence of eternity.” -Djalâl ad-Dîn Rûmî

[@blizzred2143]

Any books you would recommend??

[@blizzred2143]

@Stan Gogan appreciate you! 🙏

[@whatdo690]

what is most important on this path? do you just meditate? or do you have to meditate + listen to people further along on the path to not get stuck?

[@yungmau9258]

@Alex Mercer should i stop taking antipsychotics? Is it bad for my brain?

[@yungmau9258]

@Alex Mercer i dont know if i should believe you but i Will try to get off Them. I havent been on Them for over 3 years so.

[@yungmau9258]

@Alex Mercer if that happens I will rope. But like I said, I will try get off of them. I dont know if I should trust you but I will accept your warning. Also I take a very low dose so i doubt it will fuck me up.

[@cornloin9732]

@@yungmau9258 make sure you get exercise as well. Lighthearted walks outside in the sun is really good. running or working out is good as well. Ive never been an antipsychotics but ive gotten off of zoloft. I couldnt barely form sentences to talk to people but now im mostly healed

[@cornloin9732]

@Alex Mercer so youre still a psychiatrist 🤨

[@myth-8700]

Finally someone explains this

[@Datapoint90]

The way I see it.. If you can "track the progress" so to speak, you are just fooling yourself with another game. To even speak of a spiritual path is wrong because it implies that there is some "end point". End points only exist within the temporal realm and are what the ego is concerned with, and while it is important to have goals in a human life, when it comes to one's spiritual life it is best to leave goals and measurements out of it, or one risks getting trapped within the ego.

[@evedotcom]

Yeah, I had similar thoughts. As much as he talks of the distortion of spiritual ego in these different stages, I still think this message would be attractive to the spiritual ego seeking a process to get somewhere else. Defining stages seems like it's part of a story. If you aren't the ego moving through a story, why define it? "For me", I see there's an allure in defining and refining ~my spiritual story~ because there's still some identification with it haha.

[@cornloin9732]

This exactly what he talks about

[@frankyang]

@@evedotcom all stages and the entire path of spirituality is an ego game until you finally see through to its illusion and the self drops away for good. That's why I said everything on the Path is fiction for the ego before you transcend the path itself.

[@evedotcom]

@@frankyang why define the path?

[@ashleyispresent]

@@frankyang i feel like that line of reasoning is like telling someone in a completely empty room that the floor is lava. Doesn’t matter what you do, it’s game over. When i hear things like “there’s nothing to do, no goal to reach” or “spirituality is another ego trap”, i just lose motivation to meditate, eat healthy etc

[@Holywalk1]

Frank are you able to perform what the general herd would call “miracles” just like the great enlightened yogis or Jesus Christ did in the “past”?

[@whatsgoogle8505]

ooooooooooof was expecting this hahaha