Can This 35 Year Old, 30W Amp Power Four 12" Subwoofers?

[@wal]

*Want to See Specific Portion of the Video? See Index Below* 0:00 Intro 0:38 Back in the Day 2:31 Punch 30HD in Detail 3:47 KICKER Quad Box 5:00 Determining Test Frequency 5:40 SPL Testing with the Punch 30HD 10:11 Testing Songs for Power and SPL 12:19 Amp Dyno Tests 13:22 Watt's Inside? 14:12 Final Thoughts 14:43 EXTRAS including Echos From the Lab *See Related Videos* Rockford Fosgate Playlist - kzbin.info/aero/PLu98-M_EowHPDfvb2L7BuwCdogJF0DIRQ KICKER Audio Playlist - kzbin.info/aero/PLu98-M_EowHOg5lUzMUQfxO9nRQ6i09vy *SHOP* KICKER L7R Quad Box - amzn.to/4gsEmzl or www.kicker.com/solo-baric-l7r-12-quad-subwoofer-box Shop eBay for Punch 30 Amplifier - ebay.us/eesIOu Wiring Terminal Blocks - amzn.to/4fEgckw Get your WAL/OSS Merch: bigdwiz.creator-spring.com/ Buy Me a Coffee/Tea/Slap-a-D-No : www.oldschoolstereo.com/p/donate.html *Support OSS / Williston Audio Labs for early access to videos* www.patreon.com/OldSchoolStereo One Time "Tip" for Video Support: paypal.me/BigDWiz _DISCLAIMER: This video and description contains affiliate links, which means that if you purchase from one of the product links, I may receive a small commission. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. As an eBay Partner, I may be compensated if you make a purchase_

[@watup110875]

use many low wattage speakers 2 to 4 ohm configuration

[@joeyholthusen6495]

Drop that ohm load and do a burp for a 3db gain!

[@wal]

@@joeyholthusen6495 I was concerned the 1 ohm mono load on the P30HD may be a bit much on the amp, but I wouldn't be afraid to try with the P45 or P150...just for the burp of course

[@joeyholthusen6495]

@wal your right, need a punch 45 dsm to bang it on low impedance for a burp....

[@robertmartinezjr8413]

What’s the name of the track that starts playing @11:59 ? Tia 🤙🏽

[@joeharper448]

Those of us that are old enough to remember when this amp was brand new are not surprised at all.

[@lemosley01]

Those amps were something else in the 80s and 90s. The Orion HCCAs were even more impressive. Those were some fun times - car audio at that level was still fresh, people were experimenting and the music was good.

[@wal]

I don't think the amp is the star here, it's the Quad Box. I'm a huge RF fan, but not of the P30, I remember when this amp was released and for the same price you could get a HiFonics Vulcan, a much better amp for the $$

[@StepOrDieFR]

@wal ici tout repose sur le rendement des haut parleur ... plus le rendement est élevé et plus il sera facile de les faire bouger avec des ampli de puissance modeste ^^

[@joeharper448]

@@wal seems that the hifonics amps were more expensive than the RF amps in my area. What you have to find now is the RF octagon. It was 16-8" subs in an octagon shaped box powered by a punch45.

[@boominc0420]

I remember like it was yesterday. These amps kicked ass

[@stevedenton7986]

I'm a late 80's, early 90's thumper and it doesn't surprise me at all! Punch series was one of the best back then. I tried to keep up with a MTX setup but could never get it as good as Fosgate. Man I miss those days...

[@joeymerrell8585]

Road thunder pro and the 1 gen terminators were awesome.

[@madweazl]

@@joeymerrell8585 I was a broke as kid so it was a pair of Road Thunder IIs and a Rockwood amp that was actually pretty stout and ran 2ohm mono stuffed under a seat for a couple years lol.

[@joeymerrell8585]

@@madweazl I spent months worth of paychecks on my setups. Still got the subs and old school denon deck somewhere around here.

[@gabec6522]

@joeymerrell8585 blue thunder was bad ass

[@WildRapier]

@@gabec6522 I have a 150 watt Blue Thunder. Handwritten in the manual it said it did 532 watts bridge to one channel @ 4 ohms. I had it hooked to a Polk 12". I never had to turn it up all the way, and last I checked the 30A fuse plastic was a little bit melted (without opening the fuse). The whole setup was stolen....and recovered. So I've hung on to it...cuz it pounded!

[@dwanreed9]

You gotta go with the 45HD in your next video & then keep testing them all the way up to the 150HD! Now that would be some awesome video's right there my friend!! 30HD, 45HD, 75HD & lastly the BIG DAWG 150HD!!💯🤘🏾

[@wal]

We will see how popular this video is and may do that as I'm curious as well

[@TurboJohn74]

+1 on that vote! Then, honestly I'd like to see the 75 and 150 after, if possible

[@dankolicious10]

@@wal I was an custom car audio installer and sound off competitor from the late 80's into the mid 90's, and was not surprised by your findings. In the early days of competitions (by wattage class), these were a cheat code, especially when you ran them down to 2ohms,(some pushed the punch line even lower with amazing results). Please try and test more of the line from that era. It would be amazing to see how they compare.

[@tankdarla637]

@@dankolicious10 yep 2 ohms and stable

[@thewhitefamily5515]

Yes test the 200 punch ix that is the newer model with the rarely survived end caps. I bet that same box will be real close to 150. And if the box was bigger it would hit 150

[@bigd1157]

I just recently put my old 90's Punch 40i amp and two Punch 10" subs that I installed in my very first car back then into my son's first car. Two generations and it still sounds awesome!

[@luckymanham302]

That’s really cool! I’m an old school guy myself. I have a 90 Mustang GT with period correct amps/headunit/subs…

[@JoshuaNelson-b4w]

Was that the Gold Series?

[@bigd1157]

@@luckymanham302 Nice! My buddy has a 90 LX 5.0, all stock inside, but super charged, built heads, trans etc. looks completely stock from the outside. Pushing over 500hp. So much fun. He also has a new GT 500, but I always say let's take out the fox body.

[@luckymanham302]

@@bigd1157 the two mods I’m lacking are good heads and a power adder… These cars are a blast!

[@matthewlawson5634]

@@bigd1157 did the same thing for my youngest son

[@MrEtonmess]

The way that amp is slung in the centre console is icing on the cake.😂🎉

[@wal]

Shadetree install for sure!

[@michaelchoate9655]

Definitely old school. Connect the wires and toss in the console. Lol

[@wal]

@@michaelchoate9655 I thought that's what all the kids these days do 🤣

[@tct9mm151]

I remember back in the day Phoenix Gold called the 1- amp doing an entire system "Tri-Linear" in a stereo/mono and series/parallel using caps and coils to divide the power to front, rear and subs. You really had to design your system around making 6db, 12db and 24db to keep your slopes, frequency and impedance load safe for your system PG later came out with a pre-built passive dividing network that was gold and plexi glass to do this.(Sound XS I believe) I wasn't a huge fan but it was cost effective and I sure designed, built and installed hundreds of passive systems for customers at my audio video store. GREAT VIDEO BIG "D" MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

[@wal]

I have a couple of the PG passive tri-mode crossovers I was going to show in a future video powering a full setup

[@vincentrusso4332]

Merry Christmas brother!

[@V8Lenny]

Brazilians still do it.

[@iamgriff]

I have my old punch 45 hooked up to a set of Pioneer 4 way 6x9’s in my son’s truck. I even gave my old Alpine 3321 EQ hoping to get him more interested in the hobby. This is second truck the system (I installed) has been in. That punch amp just keeps doing its job. Old School for the never ending win! Merry Christmas Big D!

[@n.elliott9122]

Missing the old days after seeing this. Purple Isuzu Amigo with 4 Punch Pro 12s...And Buick Grand Nationals and T-Types every place you looked. Thank you sir for ALLLL of the videos that keep us young!!

[@wal]

Awesome brother!

[@justinbreeden7922]

Back in the day we called it the punch peanut. They where a godsend for those of us competing because we could get in a lower power class.

[@MrSchmidthead]

I used one of these to power my center channel when I was running 251- 500 Pro in IASCA back in the day.

[@Adam-nv9zo]

Those amps were always impressive. I remember when they were new, they were one of the best you could get, especially at that price point.

[@BaddDukk]

Your comments were valid. The P45 and P150 (original and also HD) were the real workhorses. The P75 was good but did not overachieve like the other two. The P30 and Power100 were curiosities but they did much closer to rated power and were not popular at all at the time. I sold P45s 20:1 over P30s. Being able to wire speakers series and parallel to keep the amplifier in its operating zone works with any amplifier. We ran all sorts of brands mono and stereo at the same time (multimode). Alpine even made a passive crossover module (3722) just for that purpose. The difference was that Rockford actually trained their dealers how to do it properly and not blow their stuff up. Knowledge is power.

[@wal]

The P45 was a sweet spot for price vs performance

[@davidstevens7809]

​@@wal thank you

[@nickstalhood5380]

This is exactly why i miss the old-school stuff!!!! Cerwin were my favorite back in the day. I would love some good shape old-school subs! Absolutely awesome video man, this brings back some old memories.

[@wal]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@themadmallard]

Cv is poised for a comeback

[@jonsaircond8520]

That would be awesome I miss my old CV subs

[@Turbogto_guy]

I have two cerwin Vega vmaxx 8’s in the back deck of my 2004 GTO, free air on a punch 750. They hit so hard, you can feel it in your chest. It’s pretty impressive.

[@terryheck9507]

I had 4 10" cv on 2 jbl gtq400s and they pounded

[@christianlarsen6747]

Holly cow! Insane! Rockford Fosgate and MTX was the shit back then.

[@smelltheglove2038]

No, it wasn't. It was popular because it was cheap. Those of us with class stuck with the W7s.

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

@@smelltheglove2038 … This shows your ignorance because JL Audio wasn’t even around in the 1980’s!! W7’s?…HA!! These amps were also NOT cheap! The biggest, loudest, most competition winning vehicles ran ONLY Rockford Fosgate Punch systems! Ever heard of the Chevy van called “Blue Thunder”? That thing was sick!! It had (2) 24” Turbo Prosounds, and something like (8) 18” Punch, (8) 15” Punch, (10-12) 12” Punch, (16-20) 8” Punch, and only God knows how many 6 1/2’s, 5 1/4’s, 4’s, and tweeters in that puppy!! It had dual back doors that when opened revealed like at least a dozen Punch MOSFET 1000’s and a slew of batteries underneath… probably 20+?!! When that vehicle was miles away from you and he turned up the bass, it LITERALLY sounded like thunder!! You had to have been a teenager in the ‘80s to have lived in that stereo scene and experienced it… but you obviously were not, because of you lack of knowledge of when these old school amps came out and when JL Audio W7’s did.🤦🏻🤪 Guys used to run home stereo speakers (like Cerwin Vegas with 15” woofers) in the backseats of their Cadillacs with ONE punch 45 on them! I’ve seen guys power multiple 15” subs with a single Punch 45 or a single Punch 150! The reason these amps are capable of this is because they use “unregulated” power supplies instead of regulated power supplies, meaning (iirc?) that the more juice (voltage) you give the amp, the more power it’ll give you. Some guys even ran souped up alternators that put out not just more amps, but higher voltage. Back then, it was all about competition in each wattage class… 1-25 watts, 26/50 watts, 51-100 watts, etc… and guys would buy “cheater” amps that would easily power multiple speakers and most dropped down anywhere from 4 ohms to 2 ohms, 1 ohm, 1/2 ohm, and to even 1/4 ohm… so they ran MULTIPLE subwoofers on them and wired the subs in a combination of series then in parallel in order to run as many subs as possible so as to move as much air as possible (more cone space = more air being moved = more loudness/SPL). Hifonics used to be a cheaper knockoff of Rockford Fosgate, but then started making some decent stuff… then went downhill years later to cheap junk.😞 Back then, ADS was the end-all-be-all in SQL (Sound Quality Level) competitions (speakers AND amplifiers) and also in home audio speaker/equipment but many years later disappeared, unfortunately… very sad day.😢 You’ve probably never heard of them either, right?😏 Just because you have W7’s now and love them, does NOT mean that everything else is junk. ADS had their smallest amp, the PS5, which was like 40 watts x 2 channels or 110 watts mono and sold it for $249 new back then. Most cheaper amps that sold for $249 back then had hundreds (250-300) of watts per channel and 500-1,000 watts mono, and people (like you) couldn’t understand/comprehend why they should buy that ADS amp versus the other, more powerful amp for the same price?? It called “quality versus quantity”. That ADS amp was primarily used for mids and highs (midrange drivers & tweeters), like the ADS 200i’s (4” mid & 1 1/2”-2” tweeter and $450/pair) or 320i’s (5 1/4” mid & same tweeter as 200i’s, and $600/pair) with their external crossovers. This combination of amp and speakers was heavenly!! Like the angels singing to you in your car!😇😁👍 You see, ADS made their equipment for people who wanted the best sound quality, NOT for people who wanted the loudest vehicle at the expense of sound quality. But you wouldn’t know this because you probably weren’t even alive back then…😂🇺🇸 Anyways, don’t criticize what you don’t know or understand BEFORE you actually know and understand.😉👍

[@BaronVonNebula]

@@smelltheglove2038 there was no W7’s in the early 1990’s

[@2869may]

@@smelltheglove2038 Fosgate WAS the sh!t back then... ONLY sold at high end audio shops like many other brands... Kenwood, Alpine, etc... Before they produced the cheaper "best buy" lines... W7's didn't come out till 2001. And W7's DON'T make you "classy".... they make you a "good consumer".... that's likes to OVER pay to chase "clout"... A man could wear a Rolex and still not know what time it is.....

[@johannesherr2333]

Cerwin vega stroker is the ultimate earthshaker❤ one of the best subs .for sound quality eton force ❤

[@domslivin]

We were huge fans of the old school punch amps back in the 90's! We couldn't afford them though :(

[@Keith-rk4td]

We could only afford flea market stuff😢 Got lucky one time with a 300w flea market set up. Made my own speaker enclosure out of a cardboard box! It had a ton of distortion but thumped my 76 Honda CVCC Wagon good enough. Po BO Rig!!

[@70centurian]

l had 2 Punch 45s in my Mustang in 88. l ran 10 speakers. 2x 12" Punch, 4x 5.25 Punch, 4x 1" Domes. 1 Punch 45 ran the 2, 12s. 1 Passive cross-over. Damn, l think, the whole set-Up cost me over $1200. My Buddy still has the Amps and the 2, 12s on a shelf in his garage. The set-up sounded Great and l couldnt afford Bigger Amps. The set-up was in the car 9 yrs and l never touched the amps or speakers, til l took it all out to sell the car.

[@JohnWilliams-hn3wn]

I'm not surprised. I ran two punch 15's with a punch 45 in a 1990 Mustang GT and it slammed. There was something about those amps that wattage just didn't matter.

[@sandygibson4201]

Those amps were something fierce. I had a punch 150 on 2 12 inch subs. I was always impressed.

[@freddykelly4405]

@@sandygibson4201 I had it on 2 Lanzar 15's very impressive 💯

[@cbo6034]

I ran the punch 45 with two CV 12". Back in the early 90's. ( The punch 45 is a little monster. )

[@jacksondaniels8169]

Same here in 88-89, but I ran 2 M&M Godfather 15” subs and 2 punch mid/low plate speakers on a Punch 45 with no issues in my 89 Nissan hardbody p/u. I could be heard 2 blocks away when bumping the beastie boys Paul Revere, brass monkey, and slow and low. (Kick it over here baby pop, Ummm drop.. then booom!)

[@chrislyons9733]

140db with "50 watts"!!... 18 year old me is jealous of that X50s. Awesome videos.

[@mikesmith8190]

Back in the 90’s in Stillwater, OK there was a guy at Cartunes who had his whole system (with two 12’s for subs) running off a single Punch 30 in a Blazer or Suburban. I couldn’t believe how good it sounded. Ended up buying a Punch 150 and running a pair of kicker C12’s in a 7ft^3 4th order box in the back of my 280ZX. Ahhh, the good old days. Would be cool to try a 50.1/50M on that quad box at 1 ohm. Thanks for all your old school reviews, I really enjoy them.

[@zedge1205]

@@mikesmith8190 Hey Mike - That was me, Zane! (everyone called me Z) That was my GMC Jimmy (Blazer). I had the Punch 30 running two Rockford Series 1 twelves initially to try to help sell those. I later upgraded the subs to 12” Blues which were amazing. The Punch 30 was running the two twelves, as well as the rear speakers which were Polk Audio MM 6.5” woofers, 2” mids, and 1/2” tweeters, with Polk Audio 3.5” mids and 1/2” tweeters in the dash. I experimented with various crossover combos to get it the way I wanted it. 12 speakers in all and I loved the way it sounded! I can’t tell you how many demos I did and how many Punch amps I sold from that ride. I loved those days, and had a blast working there! Z

[@mikesmith8190]

@ that’s so cool! I think your Jimmy was red? And it sounded really good, and hit crazy hard for being run by a Punch 30. That sold me on the Fosgate amps. I remember at Cartunes there was a yellow (?) chevy Astro van with six 15’s facing rearward in the hatch and had like four 10’s facing forward under the rear seat? Someone demo’d Eric Clapton “Cocaine” and I recall thinking as the first few intro notes of the bass guitar (?) played “why wouldn’t they play something with real bass in it?” and then then it really dug so tight and deep and I was like holy crap, lol. I think I drove the old guy who worked there crazy with questions about everything. I had you guys design my 4th order bandpass for my C12’s on some really early computer program. It turned out great when I built it. I still have my Punch 150 I bought way back then. Means too much sentimentally to risk being stolen, so I bought another one recently to run a Fosgate 18” xlc and reminisce : ) I picked up a Punch 30HD about 20 years ago entirely because of you, lol. I have dreams of building an efficient system and having relays so I could flip a switch and run the whole system via the 30HD with passive crossovers and then flip it back to multiple amps and active crossovers : ). Mike

[@zedge1205]

@@mikesmith8190 Awesome! My Jimmy was white, and had a red interior. The Cartunes van was also white. That thing was powered by the Rockford Power 1000 mosfet, it was cool. I always drove it in the OSU homecoming parade, and my head would be pounding by the end! lol. I also used to take home the PPI van, and the Pioneer Premier Cadillac. Yeah, I loved the efficiency back then. I worked there from 90-98, so right in the heart of the “glory days” of car audio (my opinion). I still have my Clarion Pro Audio DRX9375R head unit and their processors/cd changer, that thing was so cutting edge and is still cool today. Wish I would have kept more pieces. At one time, I had the Rockford Fosgate Symmetry in the Jimmy, which was way ahead of its time. such fun times!

[@danpetermann6509]

My first introduction to car stereo was a friend with a punch 45 and 2 - 10" subs in a '58 VW bug. Blew me away

[@samfordman]

Really more impressed with the quad box than the amp. Power is power, so the Peanut wasn't doing anything special. One of my buds managed a shop that carried RF, and had 8 SP-154s running off 2 Punch 150s. It was flourescent shop light bulbs falling from their fixtures *while playing Boston at half volume* ridiculous. Another who also competed SPL had a wall of 6 of them running off 6 bridged Punch 45s in a Mazda B2000 extended cab that felt like an earthquake if you were inside a nearby car or building. Crazy stuff considering my mother complained my 4 Punch 10s were "moving the furniture around" when I cranked it in the basement below her bedroom. Love your stuff; thanks for reviving 35yr old memories!

[@dorkydarell4073]

That's insane!!! 1 of the 2 is truly Old school stereo!!! Very impressed!!!

[@antoniodagostino2291]

This line of amps including the power 650 and 1000 are an iconic part of audio history.....all the hardest hitting and loudest back in the day used them

[@distinctiveleatherworketc.5489]

I had an '85 Rx7 in 1997, I was 19. I had procured 2 used JBL 10" subs and had no perameters for them. My buddies uncle was a musician and had equipment to test speakers and he gave me the thiele small perameters for them. I then did the equations and the ideal box was 3.2 cuft ported box tuned at 32hz. I built 2 boxes stuffed them in the back of the Rx7 with subs and ports facing up at the rear of the hatch area. 600 Watt amp. I destroyed all but the most expensive system in my town. I could make pictures in my parents house move crooked, they could hear me from blocks away and knew when I was coming home. The steering wheel would shake like an inch or so. Sufficed to say, when you have the exact right box for a sub and place them and the ports in the right spot, you can't beat it.

[@jacksondaniels8169]

After my Boston Acoustic amp burned up. The Punch 45 from the 80’s would push the box behind my Nissan hardbody p/u seats with 2 M&M Godfather 15” subs, 2 punch mid/low range plate speakers with no problem. I could be heard from 2 blocks away.

[@craigbarrett2278]

My friend Brett who is the official Rockford dealer in South Africa ran a whole car on the 2x30 model below/before this one. Blew people's minds back in the early 90's.

[@joeymerrell8585]

I’m not surprised at all. One of my best setups in the early 90’s was 2 pro punch 12’s with the big chrome magnets on a punch 75hd. On a denon tape deck and changer.

[@ericchill864]

The "peanut 30" was the nickname we gave that when we sold them. Was a good little amp at the time. The punch150 was our best seller. Another little amp that was even more impressive for what it was, Sony xm-2020. Sold for 99.99. Definitely the old days.

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

You’re not kidding about that Sony XM-2020!! 20 watts x 2 but wow!! I had that amp AND the Sony XM-4520 (45 watts x 2) and mistakenly never used them UNTIL I sold them to a guy with a single cab Chevy truck (‘88-ish?). I installed a set of MTX 10” truck boxes (the ones with the 10” woofer, 3”-4” midrange, and 1/2”-1” horn tweeter) behind his seat with the XM-4520 on them and set of Polk Audio speakers in the dash (the ones that had like a 2.5”-3” midrange and a 1/2”-3/4” tweeter, all in the same housing from Polk, model #???🤔) with the XM-2020 on them and that truck was extremely loud AND clean… crystal clear!! All with a so-called “measly 130 watts total”!😂👍🇺🇸

[@carwashjared]

You mentioned exactly what I would want you to do, is to test both the actual old school Small Fin Punch 45 and Punch 150 and then also the Punch 45 HD and Punch 150 HD.

[@jamesipock3669]

My first stereo in 94 was a LA Sound Malibu 120 on a 15 inch MTX road thunder II, in a ported tube from JC Whitney. It played low. Second system had a Punch 40 x2 and a Punch 100 x2 plus 2 12 inch punch in a bandpass box, and a Clarion 920 eq with a Pioneer Super Tuner III. LAF.

[@shanevanlandingham8569]

@@jamesipock3669 I had an 87' Pontiac 6000 STE around 93/4' and was finally going to get a "system". Got the latest alpine detachable face cd deck, the LA Sounds Hermosa(240 watts I believe)(max!) And two free air Cerwin vega 12's. I was in heaven. Lol. The subs were mounted on a slab of 3/4 mdf side by side aimed directly into the back seat. "The good old days."

[@danhorton6182]

My very first set up in high school, which was 1998, I had a pair of 12 inch through in Vegas in a ported box that I had made and a 100 W Kenwood amplifier. That system bumped. At least for a 16-year-old kid driving a Volvo. I couldn’t imagine using some of the equipment we have today.

[@mikenichelson]

Bro, I'm old school 56 years old and still have a system's in my cars. I had (2) punch 150 amps 37 years, and they freaking rocked, and of course, Rockford was the best back then. I did hear a punch 45 pushing (2) Rockford 15" subs hard. It blew my mind back then. I do have an old punch 75 that I need to have looked at to see if it can be repaired. And like you said the magnets weren't as big back then. They have these power subs now that need a lot of power. I enjoyed the content. Pump out some more.

[@wal]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@NVMDSTEvil]

There's a trick here, most new subs dont actually need all that power! The first ~90% is efficiency, after that its power :)

[@70centurian]

lm 54 and U couldnt leave Ur car anywhere then. Ur Shit would BE GONE. People stole everything, cuz It Cost soooo Much then. We'd go to the beach and Ud almost, have to sleep in ur car/truck. LOL l remember goin to the Stereo shops in town and C'n the 1st Punch 1000 on a Wall...!!!!! huga and a Fan. Lmao.... Us Poor/workin guys would DIE for 1 of those. ( They would get warm/HOT if U beat em along time...Turn it down and they'd cool and keep Fightin...)

[@70centurian]

Remember the Pile driver stuff...? Great too.

[@MyMediaConsulting]

That is why I miss the high efficiency subs. I've been looking and most of the new stuff is in the mid to high 80s for sensitivity. Back in the late 1990s, 91 - 93db sensitivity was considered standard if I remember correctly.

[@T_Burd_75]

Nice to see the Kicker Quad Box make another appearance! :D Hooking an amp to a Quad Box is like hooking up a CB radio to an 8-element beam. It's all about the gain! If you hooked up the same amp to a 6.5" sub, it wouldn't be anywhere near as loud.

[@wal]

FACTS!!

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

Um, duh! A single 6 1/2” sub doesn’t play in the 20-30hz range, like those FOUR 12” subs do AND cannot move as much air as a single 12” can, much less FOUR 12” subs in a ported box!! Apparently, you’re no rocket scientist…🤦🏻😂 The whole point of doing this little experiment was to see if the 30 watt x 2 amplifier in mono “could” push THAT specific box decently or not… and I think that 133db is DEFINITELY proof that it can! Try taking some other 30 watt/channel amp and putting it on there to see what happens?! Man, next time compare apples to apples, NOT apples to peanuts.🤦🏻 For your information, I’ve seen a single Punch 45 push (4) 15” subs and even (8) 15” subs to deafening levels. Now, if you like 6 1/2” subs so much, why don’t you take (16) or even (32) of them and hook this amp up to them… THEN tell me how terrible it is?! Man, that vehicle would be deafening with 16-32 decent quality 6 1/2” subs powered by THAT amp!!😂👍 You’d move a ton of air as well… probably MORE than those (4) 15” because of greater cone surface area??😁

[@T_Burd_75]

@tigerstripeeyes9871 Where are these AI trolls coming from?

[@Jwilliamstech]

Back in the 1990s, I had a purple Toyota with a snug top, Momo wheels, Testarossa body kit, and a hard-top convertible. I had 8 18" punch and 16 mids and highs running with a Rockford Fosgate power 1000 and a power 300. It was badass!

[@Hammerback0]

I remember seeing the audio shop guy running a room of 12s on the big US Amps back in the day. (Yes. Literally a ROOM of 12s) I was 17 years old, my mom helped me piece together enough money for a “small” US Amp. I ran two Volacano 12s SVC and an Orion XTR 12 DVC in a cord Festivals. 😂

[@iamgriff]

lol, I remember Volcano Subs. Haven’t heard of them in years, it would be cool to find a set.

[@trith72]

I had a Punch 150 running two Pyle 15's back in 1990 as a stopgap till I could fully afford something bigger. It was a beast...I rattled just about everything loose on my car with that setup. Eventually I moved up to a Linear Power 800 (that i bought from a guy at a car show and had a strong suspicion it was probably quite hot lol) and it was just stupid loud.

[@michaelfessenden8601]

Pyle used to be great speakers. I miss the Pyle Driver driver 8" s I still have the 18"

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

… “strong suspicion it was probably quite hot”, yet you still bought it?🤦🏻🤨😂…you’re such a 💩….😁

[@jameslaidler2152]

It's like classic Hi-Fi. My friend's mid 70s Pioneer amp is 45 watts per channel, but 2 on the volume knob is absolutely mental.

[@smelltheglove2038]

Tube amps run much lower wattage but produce much higher volume than the solidstate equivalent. Check out a 5watt guitar amp. Those things are super loud at the 2 mark. Plus the audio quality is far superior.

[@frankshanks9013]

Never underestimate an old school amp, I have 2 of the old school RF Punch 1000a's and boy they can still get down

[@callmebigpapa]

All these old RF Punch amps were basically being given away at garage sales 15 years ago so glad I got some they are cool tech.

[@joearokis8265]

That's pretty impressive. The recommended RMS power of 2400 watts. The subs back in the day didn't handle power like they do today, I wonder if it would be louder with much less power-hungry subs in an equally efficient box? Great stuff.👍👍

[@joeJoe-pb3su]

I had a lanzar 50 x2 watts amp powering.. 2 x 8 inch rockford Fosgate punch 4 ohms.. they hit hard and sounded like 12 inch subs...😊

[@Moegneto]

Glad to see a video like this. Many daily driver bass lovers are often discouraged by talking about their great sounding, lower power builds (500-1500 watts) because of what fills up the forums nowadays. Thanks for making this video.

[@Baysidebangerz]

I'm impressed by that quad box ..133 db on 30 watts total is awesome

[@kilotangosierra]

those old RF amps and subs were legendary. 💪

[@papapetad]

That inserted clip of yellow cab blowing its windows made me chuckle. This amp embodies the "you get what you pay for" saying. In this case, you don't get much at all but it is top quality and still kicks butt decades later. It's nice knowing you don't need a gigantic, heavy amp to pump out solid tunes on the go.

[@michaelnichols9850]

Back in the early 90s the local legend was a guy named "Mikey Thompson" who had 20 Rockford Fosgate punch 12"s in the back of a conversion van. He had 20 exact same Fosgate amplifiers powering them. That was the loudest automotive system I have heard until my adult life.

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

Do you mean “Blue Thunder”??

[@michaelnichols9850]

@@tigerstripeeyes9871 hold on I'm looking it up now

[@johnstuby8036]

Power 100hd and a 45 was one of my favorite set ups in the day. Thanks for sharing these old amps

[@vincentpelletier3931]

WOW!!! I was thinking it would do about 120db's, but 130++ is just unbelievable!! I had a Punch 75 driving a 12" sub with a pair of six's , 5.25's , 4's , and one inch domes in a super cab ranger and that did like 120+

[@travisazzopardi8024]

I had a 1980 Rockford Fosgate 40 W Punch amp with a Concord stereo and cassette deck (you could rewind and FF while listening to the radio, which was unheard of at the time) into a pair of Kriket 6x9 speakers in my 75 GMC pickup truck when I was 16. That little amp was extremely loud for 40 Watts! I loved that sound system. So did my friends. ❤

[@stevej6824]

Back in 1996 I had a 1988 Ford Ranger ext cab with a JVC Kameleon head unit and all Pioneer speaker setup powered by RF 30’s. I had four 10” Pioneer IMPP woofers in a sealed enclosure behind the seat and a Premier component mid & tweeter set in each door. Each 10” had their own RF 30 running bridged and then two more RF 30 running bridged powering the component set in each door. It was one of the best sounding systems I’ve ever had. Edit: I started with a Pioneer head unit then upgraded to the Kameleon a couple years later.

[@Jayzon-d4b]

The chameleon was sweet

[@stevej6824]

@ I used that Chameleon in three different vehicles. I had the pro version with the 4 volt RCA outputs. Edit: I believe it was the KD LX1 Also I originally had a Pioneer head unit and then upgraded to the Kameleon a few years later. Edit: I had the KD LX3

[@jacobberntsen9296]

I’m kinda shocked but I had a 2003 punch 301 powering two jl 12w6 at 1.5ohms and people didn’t believe it! That amp never failed!

[@phatboytrex1976]

This is more of a testament to the greatness of the quad box for spl

[@wal]

Absolutely!

[@jetskier8841]

Lets see the Power 300. Had that back in the 90s. Only thing I hated was the connections. Just wires sticking out. Terminal blocks mounted to the amps were a huge step up

[@tankdarla637]

That kicker box is sweet, however we used to make the boxes to fit the vehicle, no science involved, they all hit hard with a punch 45.

[@johanfourie5646]

Ok.. so im gen x.. early 93 had this amp on x2 10" RF series one, if memory serves me correctly, in a isobaric bandpass tuned to about 35hz in what we have here known as a Nissan Champ Bakkie. Extended port punching through the firewall from the loading bay... simple setup, alpine headunit cant remember the model but it was, i believe, the first with a 4v output available in our market and a 61/4" RF split Front stage and some passive crossovers... with the help of the local RF team box 1 gave me a 128db, weeks of tuning, and on box 3, some serious stifning etc, we hit a 134.6db... now being some 30 odd years back i cant remember the finer details.. but we build a few monsters back then with very very basic stuff... doesnt make us good... just made us squeeze every bit out of what we had... thanks for the video and thanks for the nostalgic trip down memory lane lol

[@Keith-rk4td]

In the late 80s.and early 90s, R F PUNCH 45 was the go to for woofers.

[@DMSparky]

hats off to the guys at kicker, that's the real star of the show. Highlights how important efficiency is.

[@xsixinfantryx]

I remember getting into car audio when i got close to turning 16, probably like '93 when i was 14. Man amps back in the day had so much more character than the garbage all over the place now these days..... On the down side though, amps back then cost a lot more though.

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

Does quality not cost more than quantity??🤔 This is because everything is “Made in China” now and is total garbage compared to be “Made in America”!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@robrohrer2014]

The Punch 150HD changed the game in the 80's

[@halecj1]

Back in high school I had the Punch 45 powering 2 x 15" RF in a huge box that took up almost the entire trunk space of my '78 Duster. That was 30 years ago and it's still the loudest system I've ever owned.

[@scroob72]

My '91 set-up. Short Bed '87 Toyota Pickup, slammed of course. Custom built enclosures by Al and Eds, 2 Punch 8's, 4 Punch 6's in the doors with Punch 1" tweets. Power was a HiFonics Pluto for mids and highs and Thor running the subs. My truck hit so hard, folks couldn't believe I only had 2 8's. The amps back then were just built way different.

[@nbowling10trio]

Yessir I had punch 30hd, 45hd and the 150hd at separate times when I was 18-23 building up my car stereos. They were amazing amps once I got the punch 150hd I held on to it a few years and ran multiple speaker sets off it . 4 pyramid12isobaric. Two JL fifteens. Had a pioneer 4 channel and a fosgate 4 channel to run everything else. I didn't have allot of money so these were big items to me. Def performed well for me

[@jonclark8155]

I had the punch 45 on two 12 in a sealed enclosure in 4 oems mono. Good test and old school for the win. 🥇

[@jameshampton3969]

I was born in '71 and I started building car audio systems in 1987. The Rockford Fosgate Punch series of amps were what I would call the "mediocre of top end" amplifiers. The Orion's were the SH1T, but the Rockford Fosgate Punch weren't far behind. I personally witnessed a Punch 150 destroy a pair of Pyle Driver 6"x9"s. The old school 80s Punch amps weren't something to take for granted. I'd bet an 80s Punch 150 would knock the bottom out of a modern set of 12" subs. I'd put my old Punch 150 driving a pair of Celestion 12" subs and a Punch 75 driving a pair of Pioneer TS6950 6"x9"s in the rear with a Punch 45 driving the old Pioneer 6 1/2" square honeycomb speakers in the front in a 1969 Camaro up against modern"systems" any day.

[@jameshampton3969]

BTW, I'd love to see you get ahold of and do a test of the Pioneer TS6950 6"x9" speakers. They were and still are, in my opinion, the GOAT of 6"x9"s. The successors to them were too "bright". They had the perfect combination of bass/mids/highs to any "rear deck" speaker produced. Give them 50w-150w and they will AMAZE you.

[@blaque1069]

Agreed. I had a pair of the 6950’s on the rear deck of an ‘87 Sentra pushed by a Sherwood 70/70. People always asked me what subs I was running😂. Traded for an ‘89 Jetta GLI and no one had 6950s. So I got the new 6960 4 way 6X9s and I was never as happy cause just like you said … too bright

[@cueball981]

I was thinking 130db...these amps always did well with subs. Had a Punch 45HD running mono to an Altec Lansing ALS12 in a 36hz tuned ported enclosure, and it hit HARD!

[@gregblau8082]

Should've tried it parallel. I put a second 12 on my 50w for the ossc and drove around bumping mismatched subs at 1/2 ohm for a week before I realized I forgot it was still hooked up. Good old Rockford

[@paulj5080]

I've still got an old Rockford Punch in the cupboard of stuff, not sure which one but it used to bump with the best.

[@Jerrys_missing_finger]

Remember a dude who had a Punch 200 back in '97. It was way louder than my Rockford fosgate 1200 I have now. I used to wonder how, now I see this vid

[@peterpretzell8035]

Hello from Austria, very interesting presentation. Back in 1986 I had a Pioneer GM4 with 20 watts and TS speakers. It was unbelievable how loud this combination could play. A test of the GM4 would be great - everyone had this amplifier back then. Regards

[@disgruntledcanuck]

@peterpretzell8035 Still have 2 of them stored away. Had one running Pioneer 6in 3 ways, the other 8in Radio Shack woofers. Didn't need a sub.

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

@@disgruntledcanuck… Didn’t need a sub??? You HAD subs already!! TWO 8” subs, or did you forget?😂😂😂

[@disgruntledcanuck]

@tigerstripeeyes9871 Weren't subwoofers. Just 8in woofers. Solid bass down to about 200hz

[@gen-X-trader]

I remember a car in my town like this. It had an Orion 225 Hcca that was pushing 4 12s and the mids and tweeters in the doors. You had to use these massive boxes with the subs because the cones were so light that if you put them in something small they just resonated and sounded terrible. Crazy efficient though. Took very little wattage to make the car shake

[@roadlife9312]

I got a buddy that needs to see this. I was explaining to him you don't need a ton of wattage , is nice to have a bunch🙄

[@wal]

With a setup like the Quad Box, you will smile with as little as 30W and plug your ears with 3000W 😝

[@avg895]

Sensitivity is way more important. Those mega watt subs are like 83db but you've got sq sub doing 90db lol

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

@@avg895… Didn’t he say like 98db?😉👍

[@jadsholloway]

This a genuinely a great video! Thank you for bringing back one of the most iconic design!!

[@wal]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@DatBlueHusky]

i used to have a 200w punch amp with a single 12 and it slapped hard for hours back in 2010, it kept going in hot summer and you could cook eggs on it.

[@scofab]

Those RF HDs were the cat's pajamas... very solid sound and tough as nails. Thanks again and regards.

[@tankdarla637]

Way back in the day when thump was still underground and mostly only in the hoods of Florida, we would use any 10-18inch woofers we could get and build boxes for them, there was no purpose built car subs back then afaik. We would get woofers at Radio shack 10s were $20, 12s were $40 and I think 15s were $50, they were called woofers not sub woofers, they did a good job. Then there was Booties pawn shop that had PYLE 10s, 12s, and 15s for around the same prices and they were pretty decent too. then someone discovered EV and JBL and even PA and guitar speakers and that was the next level. For amps we only had like alfasonik, hifonics, alpine, kenwood maybe even sherwood if i remember correctly then rockford fosgate came around and thumpin cars blew up!

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

Then you should probably remember Audio Advisors when it was on 10th Ave/Dixie… (now, on Palm Beach Lakes Blvd)… and the cars that came out of there!😎👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@abruptlyblunt]

it's all about the parts you pick and the way you configure them. prior to one of the local banks changing their alarm to a silent system sometimes at night just for giggles i used to pull up to the front of the bank and crank up my system and it would rattle the doors so hard it would set off the burglar alarm and the biggest amp in my system then was a 300 w bazooka monoblock, you know how the saying goes, it's not the size, it's how you configure it. You don't need thousands of watts to be loud, obnoxious and piss people off...

[@gonzalomendez3602]

I had a Phoenix Gold MS275 powering 8 12" JL Audio subs. This amp was an absolute BEAST! I'd love to find that system with the same output today and blow some of these giants away. This is no BS. I have several people that can back up this claim.

[@travissheehan6082]

@@gonzalomendez3602 yep I had the same amp doing a pair of JL 15” that sounded like thunder. Got me in too much trouble.

[@TheOriginalHeisenberg]

A set of Pyramid Phase III Polypropylene 15's sittin on a Punch 45 was great for me!!!

[@wal]

Man those were some classic subs! How about the Super Pro's? Those were made in the USA and legit

[@8bert9]

I bought a Punch 30 brand new in 1988 to power 2 Rockford Fosgate 8 inch subs and it sounded great, especially in a Honda CRX.

[@wal]

The CRX was the perfect car audio boombox!

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

Oh no!! A fellow CRX owner! I had a 1991 CRX Si black on black with (4) Soundstream SPL10’s powered by a Soundstream Reference 644s channels 3 &4 bridged and (2) 6 1/2” in the doors. The box was custom made by one of the installers at Sound Advice for his own car (which he had sold earlier) and was made of fiberglass, which he painstakingly did by removing the spare tire, grinding off the bolt that held it in, laid that 1” thick multicolored jute padding all around the trunk area, then covered that with clear plastic wrap, then laid down the wet fiberglass to the shape of the trunk floor and sides, after dry/cured he cut a thick MDF piece for the top baffle and made recessed holes for (4) 10” drivers (and an adapter if you wanted to use 6” or 8” drivers) and a spot for an extra Optima Yellow top D51R Honda sized battery (like the car used up front), he then covered the entire baffle with black tweed around the speaker holes and then made a separate cover that he covered in black leather, he next made a one-piece grill for the woofers and another for the battery cover. Then, he covered the stock rear storage compartment cover with the same black tweed, along with the fold-down door in front of it. He then removed the storage tray (which in Japan was the rear seat bottom) and created an amp rack with the same recessed/black tweed/black leather look. The (4) Soundstream 10”s were only getting 320 watts for all four of them or 80 watts apiece! And the front doors only 75 watts x 2, but that car was little monster!! Clean and clear, but deafeningly loud!😂 Before that, I had a Punch 40 DSM pushing (4) 6 1/2” woofers [“The Hott Setup” (THS)] subwoofers (made by Orion for THS, or so I heard?) with HUGE magnets almost too big to fit into the cutouts and NOBODY could guess what size my speakers were nor how many I had! They guessed everything BUT (4) 6 1/2”s!! 😂😂😂😂😂 That Punch 40 DSM, iirc, was putting out close to 200 watts in mono and those speakers LOVED it!!🤪 The buddy who sold me those 6 1/2”s demo’d them in my car with both of our radios on the same station. He sets the box in my car and takes a long set of speaker cables from his Punch 200ix in his car and runs them over to the (4) 6 1/2”s and we cranked it up so that the mids/highs sounded equal to the bass volume, then we cranked the crap out of those 6 1/2” subs and I was dumbfounded!!🤪 That Punch 200ix probably put out well over 400-500 watts in mono, so I was thoroughly impressed! Don’t have THAT amp anymore, thanks to a 💩thief, but I still have EVERYTHING else!😂 I was experimenting with a set of MTX 8” truck boxes with the mids/highs disconnected internally in the back of the CRX (BEFORE I got the fiberglass box, thank God!) with my ADS PS5 and ADS PS5.2 amplifiers (that I was going to use to amplify the front doors) just sitting in the back!😡🤬 They stole the speakers, amps, and all of my tools as well. I’m no longer mad about it, like I was at first… 30 years ago!😂 Karma will get them in the end. 😉👍 Wait!! I am STILL mad about the fact that they stole my knife that I bought in Switzerland on my senior trip to Europe! That baby fit in my big hand PERFECTLY, like I should have been born with it there!! In the words of Hank Williams Jr., “I’d like to spit some Beechnut in that dude’s eye, and shoot him with my old .45 ‘cause a country boy can survive!”😡🤬

[@8bert9]

@@tigerstripeeyes9871 Man you went all out. I loved the Si model. I had an 89 DX but it was still quick. I beat many V8's with that car. I wish I would have never gotten rid of it. I had 2 sound systems stolen out of that car. Nothing like yours but my Fosgate system was stolen and then I bought a Hafler 200 watt rms 4 or 2 channel bridged to 2 channels running 2 cerin vega 12s.

[@Bigdogfindley]

It's my belief to this day that the Punch 45 HD is one of the greatest amps ever built.

[@fattytca1]

@@Bigdogfindley no lies detected.

[@PIT-DXB]

No doubt. It was a beast.

[@dustydawson8977]

You obviously never heard a soundstream 10.0 or a 5.0. That's a 25w and 12.5 watt amps, so wicked they outlawed them from competition

[@Bigdogfindley]

@@dustydawson8977 That's why I said "ONE of the greatest amps ever built".

[@dustydawson8977]

I had the reference 4 channel soundstream 50w x 4,10.0 25w x 2,and a 5.0 12.5w x 2, a mere 275w, 4 way system running thru a RF symmetry EPX ll, w/ 30 band eq. 6 JBL gti tweeters, 2 3" and 4 5.25" powers series RF mids, 5 JBL gti 8" mid bass, and 2 12" kicker solo classics In a bandpass enclosure that kicker themselves said can't be done, hit 154db, the record was 163db then, set by the RF Blazer using over 10,000 watts. I did so much more with these 3 amps than I did with the 8 RF amps I had previously. Would never knock RF, They were always great. But competition in 300w and down class, verses 1000w and up class was a no brainer, 154db with less than 300w rms was truly hard to beat😅

[@brad1367]

Man.... I remember being 16 years old and my friends dad gave us that amp. It was already about 10 years old and his son rocked an equally old fosgate and then i used it on a newer JL11. Good times

[@robsolf]

I used a radio shack EQ booster to run a couple CVXL12's back in the day. Wouldn't rattle any windows by any stretch of the imagination, but it kicked alright. When you can't get what you want, use what you've got.

[@dc99boxer46]

My fav was the punch 150. The older one. Had one playing 3dvc10s, 4 6.5 and 4 tweets. Still have the amp

[@wal]

Awesome amp!

[@blankczechz]

Ah yes, I remember it well. Sound preferences and how they were achieved have changed quite a bit.

[@shawnbenson871]

I remember a beautiful bronco that had two punch 45s and four series one Rockford 12s that hit hard. Loved that set up and it was so clear

[@daroccot]

I was way off in my first spl guess at 113.40 db but i was just trying to be cheeky with "O Hell" 'cause this this little gem was gonna pound!

[@thewhitefamily5515]

Yesssss I'm sooo glad you did this is posted a few yrs ago how I had 4 12in jlaudio subs and metered 151 n change powered by 96 punch 200 ix. And had a gigantic box in a mini blazer filled entire back end. 2 subs facing backwards and 2 angled up with 3inch pvc ports each sub had its own chamber. It fricken SLAMMED. Bounced change out of cup holder and made keys in ignition dance insanely and wore paint off steering column lol back side window eventually shattered but before that it flexed like crazzzzzzy windshield flexed doors n everything. I backed that up at several stereo meets at absolute audio video and cars n stereos in rockford illinois 1996 1997 and 98. Lol good times and yes they killed with just a few hundred each sub

[@timothywild9980]

Yes, this 30W amp can power four 12" subwoofers. In fact it NEEDS four or more big subwoofers to get loud. Big = high sensitivity dB/W. And because it's a good quality old school amp it will also sound awesome!

[@albinklein7680]

Back in the days I had an old 12" Electro-Voice Bass speaker mounted in the trunk behind the back seat. The datasheet said that this speaker had 105dB efficiency. They didn't lie. I powered that thing with two ancient Clarion 25W Amps. They had output transformers, so you could bridge them. That setup shook the roof of gas stations if you cranked it up there.

[@dynagroove1.020]

I’m from the 80’s s not surprised. Great video Brother!

[@Silentroller93]

That’s crazy how much output 30 watts has on that box. I think the SUV part helps with the SPL but that’s so little power that it’s crazy.

[@zacharykelly7434]

Batdog Garage has a video on hitting 140db at different frequencies in his IB setup and it's shockingly low power

[@Brian_in_Vegas]

I used to love the ADS Power Plates.... 120 watts but had my radio shack 15 hitting monster bass.... It actually broke some light fixtures in the house when I was parked in the drive way lol Had one going to the sub using one of those manual bass cross over deals and one for the 6x9's.... sounded so good back then... I wish you could still get those radio shack manual cross over deals...

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

What happened to the ADS Power Plates??😉

[@Brian_in_Vegas]

@@tigerstripeeyes9871 No idea, it was back in the late 80’s or so

[@MullinPerformance]

Man, I was less than half a DB off with the windows up. Then the window down test, killed it. I seriously think it will come full circle and demo guys will start using more sensitive subs in the future.

[@wal]

Rob and I talked about this dozens of time on 12V Talk and how so many people think you need 1000's of watts and huge, heavy subs to get good bass and it's only the case if you want to get windy or shake your vehicle apart. You can get insanely loud with less than 1000W and don't have all the electrical complexities with extra batteries and huge wire

[@MullinPerformance]

@wal Not to mention price and weight. I wouldn't mind doing an old style build with a zillion entry level and low power. Entry level subwoofers are about equal to what we had 30 years ago so it should be a good apple to apples.

[@mitchell4677]

I always considered my early builds low wattage at 500 watts rms, boy was I wrong 😂 great video

[@samuelgonzales3824]

I used a punch 45HD on (4) 15s ! And i did 137 . It was in a AMC Spirit.

[@jjthomas9656]

Awesome video,I did 2 30s on 6-series 1 15",another 30 on mids/ highs in xcab S10 back in 91-92,it sounded amazing and did low 140s,I just hated those speaker and power connections

[@wal]

Good lawd, one Punch 30 on six series 1 15's? Holeeee 😲

[@jjthomas9656]

@wal 2 30s on 6 15",1 30 on mids and highs.those series 1 were extremely efficient

[@josephmcintyre752]

Man, you bought back memories, with the Series 1 subs

[@rockym6557]

Back in the 90s i was pushing 2 12 inch pioneer IMPPs with a punch 40 and would hit in mid to high 140s. My best was 149.7

[@thegooniverse495]

When I got into this hobby I had a "kicker by still water blues" in a hand me down car from my uncle. That got me bit by the bug, and I built my first system, two Lanzar DC12's and a Lanzar 50c amp. My buddies were all running these, and I think (foggy memory) that might have been towards the tail end of these first punch's. Everyone I knew switched over to lanzar after hearing mine, but it seems like amps were just more powerful and bad ass back then. This don't shock me at all