New Concept BMW F 450 GS | Eicma First Look

[@gclar014]

Pack it! Ship it! Right now!

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

Another indian made cheaper POS from BMW.. No thanks

[@joshdoddadbod]

175 wet is great. Nice bike! Glad to see finally the 400-600cc market warming up!

[@Angry-Lynx]

That's dry weight

[@joshdoddadbod]

@Angry-Lynx the guy says wet in the video.

[@hstefan]

Looks great but that's a bit heavy for a 450 in my opinion. The new DRZ is 25kg lighter, yes it's down 10hp but on the trails that power would make little to no difference.

[@joshdoddadbod]

@@hstefan the difference is the BMW is a twin so more of an adventure bike than a dual sport like the drz. Different animals.

[@RichardS-qh8mi]

@@joshdoddadbod Exactly- people have too high expectations of these alleged unicorns, they’re neither one or the other but something in between. Think 175kg wet is very good ball park for an adventure bike of this calibre.

[@ExeterCenturion]

Looks amazing. Can’t wait to ride this at ABR 2025 if it’s out by then!

[@UltralightMotorcycleCamping]

I kept hoping for a G310GS Adventure, with larger fuel tank, upgraded suspension and tubeless spoke wheels. The G450GS is most of that, although it apparently has a 14 liter fuel tank that is slightly larger but still too small for an ADV bike. The F450GS is also the same weight of the G310GS with 14 more HP that will allow it to cruise more comfortably on the highway. It also has a big color TFT display, ride modes and all of the miraculous electronic safety enhancements. This looks like a big winner. For a couple of decades, BMW and the rest of the Big Moto cartel ignored our pleas for a lightweight off road oriented ADV bike because they wanted to force us to buy their heavy and expensive mid and full size ADV bikes. Even when forced to make small ADV bikes, they crippled them and marketed them as entry level bikes to get new customers on the upgrade path to their more expensive heavy bikes. The emerging Chinese manufacturers aren't part of the Big Moto cartel so they listened and did their best to make the bikes we wanted - The Kove 450 Rally and CF Moto 450 Ibex. The industry buzz and lost market share is forcing the Big Moto cartel to finally manufacture the bikes we want but they didn't want us to have. BMW Motorrad: I'd like my F450GS in Triple Black, please.

[@Blockbuster2033]

I mostly agree, however I don't think the manufacturers ignored the pleas. Product development takes time. If you design and build a new bike from the ground up, including a new motor, that takes over 4 years. So BMW decided to make this bike in 2020 at least. If not even earlier. What they showed here is a mostly production ready bike that only lacks type certification and a few little details. So they're basically at the end of the development phase.

[@UltralightMotorcycleCamping]

@@Blockbuster2033 - I'm an engineer so I'm painfully aware of the new product development lead time. Riders have been begging manufacturers for a powerful lightweight off road oriented ADV motorcycle for at least 20 years and they kept pushing the R1150GS that became the R1200GS, R1250GS, and then R1300GS. The BMW mid size ADV bikes similarly went from 800 to 850 to 900. The G310GS was deliberately a bit too small to comfortably cruise on the interstate (although surprisingly doesn't seem to mind being rung out at 7500 RPM in 6th gear for a couple of hours), it was feature lacking, and had too small a range to be a *real* GS. Other moto companies did the same, with the KLR650, Versys 1100, Honda Africa Twin and TransAlp, Suzuki V-Strom 650, 800 and 1050, etc. Their ADV bikes were either big and bloated, or a bit too small and deliberately crippled. We were denied the unicorn ADV bike for DECADES. BMW seems committed to getting the F450GS to market ASAP, and that's admirable. Apparently, the design is mostly finished and it'll be a 2025 model. I'm not sure, but I've read that the engine, new to BMW, is a Chinese knockoff of a Kawasaki 500 engine, with a new BMW logo on the cast engine cover. If that's true, it doesn't require four years to develop that. When asked about the new engine at EICMA, the BMW rep was clearly circumspect, as if he couldn't say that BMW had developed the engine and was instead doing what almost every motorcycle manufacturer now does, using a generic clone engine in their new bike to reduce development time and cost.

[@richbrett7268]

i wonder if its not the same engine at kove / cf moto ? given that BMW are now outsourcing some of their motors from China??? just speculating not fact.

[@0Turbox]

You can slap on a 5 liter tank, if you really that long away without a gas station nearby.

[@pietercoetzee9376]

I'm having myne in raw-ashole red

[@Navillus2273]

Boy, that looks good.

[@emperorkhan9941]

Concept bike, unfortunately it's not going to look like that when released to the public, it's most likely going to look a lot uglier, like most bike do when they are available to the public.

[@JonMurray]

Awesome man! Wasn’t expecting the start-up at the end!!

[@Rufus-OG]

What a tease, letting Chris start it but not allow wheelies and stoppies around the show. Nice looking bike …. Can’t wait for Chris to try it.

[@RichardS-qh8mi]

This is the bike of the show for me - totally wicked looking! Sounds amazing so must have that 270 crank and the styling is spot on. This 48bhp could be the real world most fun, small, adventure bike ever.😃 Can’t wait for its arrival in the UK in 2025 as they’ll surely sell by the boat load.👍

[@RichardS-qh8mi]

Corrected - 125 degree crank whatever that’s all about?

[@The.JZA.]

That bike looks incredible and the engine sounds smoooooth. Would be cool to see a 650cc class version of this. A bit more power without being too crazy heavy.

[@Acquaaaa]

it's annoying though that everyone is making new 400/450/500 models but they all follow the A2 regulations and they can't go further to 48hp/175kg. They're all the same. Just make a "better" 450 that can also be depowered for people with A2 license.

[@juliusjacob1416]

100% agree. The whole A2 limits the potential. They could definitely squeeze 50-60hp out of this engine class.

[@slakk5093]

Also other countries follow the A2 model, but they dont have an option to limit a more powerful bike. So these 4-500cc bike will always be kneecapped by A2 requirements unfortunately

[@Acquaaaa]

@@juliusjacob1416 and they also could be much lighter

[@Acquaaaa]

​@@slakk5093 what do you mean "they don''t have an option to limit"? it's the manufacturer that sells the bike already depowered, like they always did with 90+ hp bikes

[@RichardS-qh8mi]

Experienced riders are unfairly frustrated by these damn A2 restrictions- manufacturers should build in a simple de-restriction kit that dealers can update/remove for full licence holders. I’d love this at 55 - 60bhp.

[@appymarley]

Best bike of the show and kept quiet by bmw hope it gets made and stays as close to this as possible even bmw have woken up to the 450 market good effort

[@creedm3040]

Awesome video! BMW are going to sell a ton of these. Best!

[@Rutik_VR46]

48 NM & 48 PS + low RPM power has to be a parallel twin. This is what the tuareg 457 will be.

[@philipparana9225]

F means parallel twin in bmw speak.

[@Chris71920]

And the fact we can see 2, yes 2, header pipes exiting the head side by side lol

[@arunps7719]

48 NM I doubt, but yeah pretty cool

[@NalinKhurb]

@@philipparana9225 F650 was single

[@Vladferrum]

The unicorn that everybody waited for!

[@MotoSensory]

BMW is making a big secret out of the twin firing order, claiming it has never been seen on any production bike. And yet they let you start it. It is a 245° crank (or 115°, depending which way you measure) +/- 5° from the audio (50ms for one 720° cycle, second ignition after 16ms in the sample i looked at).

[@_ashwinkasaragod_]

Ticks all the boxes for me. Will start saving for this.

[@AYYOFLOCKA]

Its definitely tricky to think about what bike next. I feel like this will sit around the 10-12000 EUR/GBP mark without all the optional extras. The Suzuki DRZ, the new fantic/kove/cf moto/aprilia options make it a tight market for people that want to ride trails and a bit of road

[@jentevanvijnckt984]

​@@AYYOFLOCKA true! The fantic caballero 500 rally looks really good too. One of the best looking, smaller cc retro scramblers imo! But i don't think the quality and handling will be as good as the bigger name brands like BMW. In dutch we say "kiezen is verliezen".

[@akuskus]

This must cost below 8000 to even start considering it, but it probably won't. Otherwise it won't be very competitive due to other great alternatives.

[@markuswormann8852]

​@@AYYOFLOCKA I guess around 8 Grand we see on the pricetag.

[@noPhilta]

This looks awesome! Can’t wait for your test ride video mate. Next year… c’mon, pull some strings. Cheers

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

We’re trying, lols of schmoozing to be done!

[@juliusjacob1416]

Cool upgrade over the 310 GS. Friend of mine owned that bike, and I always felt it was just too lackluster. I don’t like too much power but I definitely don’t like not enough power. This seems like an awesome and needed upgrade.

[@moomoodeadcow]

Very smart business move because the 450 bracket is already very much occupied and to hit the shore head on with a single cylinder is probably unwise. But this is different.

[@ezbeemer]

Nice looking bike. Glad to see tubeless wheels. Hope it has good fuel range. Hope it can survive a tip over without major damage.

[@TheSar]

Tasty, might wait for gen 2 the swap out the 450MT for one of these.

[@lcash365]

21" front wheel or go home. KTM finally figured that out with the new 390R. What a huge oversight for BMW

[@carlosandleon]

Disagree. I come from a third world poohole and we have the shittiest roads more shitty than “offroad” routes in Europe/ US. 21 inches is overkill. You actually want slightly lower diameter wheels to have performance on dry rock/ broken asphalt and let the suspension do it’s job.

[@lcash365]

@carlosandleon overkill is exactly what we want in offroad performance. Every dirtbike on earth and every serious ADV bike has a 21" front wheel because it's objectively better.

[@motolover5697]

@@lcash365 it is an adventure bike, not an offroad only bike. We need to ride for some time to get somewhere to enjoy the offroad.

[@petervisi5369]

The new 390 from KTM seems to be a joke(just like the previous). It's on road only adv with the under belly exhaust and the low bars.

[@666dualsport]

rubbish

[@alanfielding3491]

Looks awesome, just the sort of lightweight bike for tons of fun. Yes please

[@Armand808]

Awesome looking bike curious to see its capability on road as well!

[@simulacrae]

Give us a 21/18 wheel setup.

[@ogoshikimura5621]

as if you woulld notice the difference..

[@simulacrae]

@@ogoshikimura5621 off road yes

[@ogoshikimura5621]

@ unlikely.

[@simulacrae]

@@ogoshikimura5621 of course you would. Ask anyone that rides off-road. There’s a reason why off-road bikes have 21” front wheels.

[@ogoshikimura5621]

@@simulacrae most DS sold have only a 17"" rear and it doesn't seem to have anyone bothered at all. Bikes suffer harder on the street with 21" then they gain off road, that applies to most people.

[@GaryV-p3h]

Finally a GS that would actually properly take off road.

[@Angry-Lynx]

650-800cc boxer GS in slightly smaller, lightweight chassis with low center of gravitt fuel tank and good 24cm+ suspension would be perfect adv for bmwe

[@_Makanko_]

Good to see these bikes coming in the range of 350-500 cc

[@tejasshekar]

Me on my way to my BMW dealership to book this in advance, even if there is no official opening 😂

[@wlt3585]

-"Stand up on the pegs..." +"It's a dirt bike" -"...and if you ride it on the road, it's a road bike" -"It's a GS!" I feel like that short part of the conversation perfectly showcased how much pride they take in their work.

[@davmanlop333]

Shit! 😮 They coming to the party.

[@elifelif777]

This bike will sell ( if not overpriced ) Gives Energized

[@SandeepSingh-iq1ws]

BMW F450 looks amazing. Need to know why top rack plate is installed on the pillion seat. Does this bike don't have a dedicated pillion seat and option to add top rack plates separately for the top box like other adv bikes such as 310 GS, suzuki vstorm?

[@0Turbox]

That seat was for sure not final.

[@RK-X]

This one is concept bike. I am sure the production version will be user friendly.

[@frankpinion4937]

I trust what the reviewer from England say's-if he is interested in the bike, then it must be good-if he's excited about the bike & likes it, then again it must be a good bike. It looks amazing to me-frame, chassis, styling, 450 twin (48 hp it must be reving in excess of 8,500 rpm), Sounds & look of the Akropovic is perfect. I think by looking at it that it has an off road bias-suspension, tubeless spoke rims. The weight at 175 kg wet is perfect which puts it inline with Triumph Scrambler 400X. It will be interesting to see how it cope's as an all round bike for going to work-weekend rides-trips away & off road trails, also what pull it has down low-mid for difficult sections like river crossings so it doesn't get bogged down especially with softer bottom to the river where you have to grunt your way out. Seat height will be the other factor-I think having an adjsutable seat height or other seat height options is the way to go so your market is more diverse. Definitly more off road focus than the 450 MT & the Himalayan 452. Will the motor be strong enough to do adventure riding or longer distance is an unknown.

[@0Turbox]

I think you will be disappointed. This bike looks more like an Enduro to me.

[@Met201101M]

I love my F850 and R1300 GSs, but it will be my next toy!

[@nicodiaz627]

To me this middle weight segment has always made more sense for true adventure. How the hell does anyone need more than 100 hp and 200+ kilos for offroading and true adventuring? Well done CFMOTO for making the big manufacturers come to their senses. This bike is stunning btw. I may become a BMW customer in a year.

[@0Turbox]

It's easy, if people buy for big money big bikes, then there is a reason behind it.

[@kombosto88]

Damn, I’m so in love with this bike if I seat where you seating I might stole this bike… because I cannot wait until next year!!!

[@DSLtwo]

Now that looks like a cracking bike for off road biased fun.

[@davidkendall1614]

Fantastic! Hoping they do bring it out in 2025 and looking forward to the “carnage” Chris will create with it. If it performs as good as it looks, could be a winner.

[@jaaftmr]

very quick rev

[@nigel7768]

Definitely got my interest

[@billcotton1551]

Looks fantastic! Just wonder how much it will change, when it goes into production, i.e. big clunky muffler.

[@KashyapKaran1]

In short - BMW dropped a banger 🔥

[@Howling-Mad-Murdock]

A fantastic looking bike. It would be great when they release it if full license holders can get it deristricted. Surely they can get about 60 hp out a 450 twin.

[@jwruskus5900]

My next bike for sure

[@NinthIcyOrange]

BMW...hurry up and take my money 🤩

[@aleczander4638]

I hope people like me who are asian around 5"6 can decently ride this monster of a bike! this is a good adventure bike in the Philippines for sure!

[@0Turbox]

Doubt so, I think another Channel guessed the seat height at 86 cm. This is more an Enduro as an adventure bike.

[@rikaus9273]

Id have one for sure

[@OntarioAndrews415]

I want to see a F450R. :)

[@ashleybatt6667]

Want one when I pass my test look awesome compared to its bigger brother

[@barrintimo7412]

Holy moly that's sound gruntty 🗿

[@shadowred1980]

Great stuff. Looking forward to that.

[@martinhughes9769]

Great looking bike

[@gdratp]

I want it. Right here, right now.

[@urbanstrencan]

Looks just soo good

[@trevorsmith8487]

Could be the model that tempts me to buy my first BMW in 40+ years of riding

[@andrewtreloar7389]

is that a 19" front? Would like to know the tank capacity and touring range. Not a fan of the sum-mounted bashplate!

[@northwind11Stallion]

Hohohoooo! 1st i saw was the spy shots of the KTM 390 adv R, then the Suzuki DRz 400, then rumors on a Kawasaki KLE 450 and now THIS! We eating good next year

[@Draznesht]

Such a light bike should be cool as enduro

[@scottgibbs2243]

Looks great

[@lestersmyth692]

Looks the business but the seat will need some work for the long distance riders although I do appreciate it’s still in development stages 👍

[@mwl5]

So many good bikes and facelifts coming out in 2025.... just gotta find dealers that actually allow test riding 😞

[@johnandrew1680]

what a bike BMW lovely.....

[@magstheonlyone]

BMW, take my money!

[@adamretschlag4665]

Let's have it, yay🙏

[@tulacluka]

how much will it cost approximately

[@brandenhellman4381]

OVERDUE >>>>YES PLEASE

[@mark675]

wow! that looks amazing

[@thaps27]

Awesome bike love it ❤👍

[@TheWatcherWatching]

Reminds me of how Street hawk looked 😂

[@HORNET6]

A cool BMW!

[@luddite6239]

Will you be doing some more of these little nuggets from EICMA? I'd look forward to hearing your take on the Honda V3 concept!

[@xeeded]

Very nice. Could be very successful if the reinterpretation and transition from concept to production goes well and the bike ends up well sorted and well-appointed. Brand power can only go so far with offshore manufacturing and, with a soft market and competition having gained some inertia, BMW needs to temper the desired profit margins to generate success.

[@markuswormann8852]

I place a bet for the price.Nothing under 8 Grand.😊 But this bike is tempting me...❤

[@abcusa123mich]

I'm really interested ...

[@RockPaperCesar123]

What is the seat height

[@appymarley]

Tall

[@elifelif777]

@@appymarley😂

[@elifelif777]

I read somewere 860 but not sure its like Husky 701 more or less then

[@AxelHartleben]

Hope the price will be not extreme

[@7-v4z]

Stealth sumo with a note ..yep🫡

[@brianeaston3748]

A baby GSA 👍

[@TheWillywack]

A low seat height option would be nice

[@shanekinney243]

This could be a replacement for my G310gs.

[@kvasios]

Good to see Joe Rogan progressing with this alternative career path.

[@Dushyant933]

Looks cute 😍

[@Weltbummler23]

Dont want to be a downer but, do we really need another 415lbs 450 adv bike? Plenty of options out there now, and most are heavier than the kove 800x, as would be this one.

[@JosephSeed]

WERE TAIL LAMP AND TURN SIGNALS? IS IT A JOKE? Or maybe turn signals are only on paid subscription?

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

It's a concept bike!

[@JosephSeed]

@@BikeWorldTVshow Thanks, but it will turn out. Himalayan has no tail lamp. I hope they don't copy this custom. I need SAFETY. BIG f*** tail lamp and visible turn signals. Do not save money on safety, BMW. At least not in street version.

[@inked-96]

Looks good but it'll be expensive.

[@markuswormann8852]

I guess about 8 Grands

[@inked-96]

@markuswormann8852 and yet the Chinese voge which is an 850gs is 9k......

[@markuswormann8852]

@@inked-96 That is the brand you got to pay for....🏍️😶‍🌫️

[@inked-96]

@markuswormann8852 Exactly, overpriced willy waving machines 😅. Bmw sales pitch.. 'Let's build a true off-road 'light' bike, which is undoubtedly going to be dropped, etc, but don't worry! Our new 450GS is the same cost as the 1300GS for replacement plastics at over £1000 😅😅😅. I can see that happening.

[@bwnco]

I wont one!!!! Nice!

[@NBMBC40]

Looks nice as does the F900GS but they want you to pay BMW top money for a chinese bike which is taking the piss, just get a CF Moto, Kove or Vogue for half the money.

[@mattingray5651]

Currently riding 310GS now. But I wouldn't mind having a bit more power and still lightweight. However, this one looks super tall. Wonder if they would make a short version, else I am out.

[@appymarley]

Your out😂

[@nickb3968]

This will be a tough market segment for BMW to compete in now that there's Royal Enfield and CF Moto in it.

[@sbsb4995]

now BMW can all this bike an adventure bike. because you surely can't be adventurous oh the huge 1250/1300 GS

[@stranobikes]

Too heavy, it should be 150-155kgs.

[@elifelif777]

I agree Should be not more then 150 kg so we play with it like 701

[@AjackLee4]

I need a supermoto version!

[@elifelif777]

Then 701 SM Husqy but it wont be comfortable like this I think

[@grzesiekapacz]

The key is prcie. He said it will be competetive but bmw price so I am guesing around £7k but what will get as a standard heated grips, cruse control who knows?

[@hergaster4443]

I'm saying around £9,000

[@grzesiekapacz]

@hergaster4443 Then no. Thank you BMW

[@LouisStreet]

HEY BMW: No service manual = no new BMW bike.

[@sigis72]

Very interesting

[@TulaneAve]

This has the specs I want but I'm gonna have to wait until 2035 when I can afford a used model.

[@prathaps848]

Where will this be made? By TVS in India ? Or in China?

[@terencedsouza2885]

Tvs

[@luckystriker7489]

Take my money!

[@robsonenduro3316]

just ordered it under the Christmas tree