Bill Burr on Ministry and Al Jourgensen

From Bill Burr's Monday Morning Podcast ranting about Ministry and Al Jourgensen. Bill Burr taking about reading AL Jourgensen's new book,"Ministry: The Lost Gospels According to Al Jourgensen".

[@brettmckenzie900]

"In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" is the greatest live recording ever. Period.

[@NicksMySon]

F’ing agreed….. Even better is the DVD Version which has 2 extra songs, the 1st one being “Breathe.” My go to work-out audio.

[@seanwatts3051]

I love Sphinctour just a little more

[@ElectricHed]

both In Case... and Sphinctour are fucking phenomenal live albums

[@Riddler_von]

@@brettmckenzie900 it ain’t dead yet skinny puppy video is my favourite. I was there too

[@Randomcorpse]

This is surreal, like world colliding. My favorite comedian talking about one of my favorite bands.

[@tripchaos]

I love Bill Burr even more now, which i didnt think was possible. Who would think he digs Ministry?

[@russellrutledge]

tripchaos My thoughts exactly

[@lucasthompson1650]

Every hard rock/metal drummer I've ever met has either liked or loved Ministry. No surprise that ol' Billy Drumsticks is a fan.

[@laudanum669]

I am the biggest Bill Burr fan and had no idea he went hard. Seeing Ministry in November in S. Dakota with Slayer, Phil Anselmo and Primus. tripkhaos you have good taste in music and comedy.

[@plusaddr7924]

Every Rose has its thorn . Izzle

[@evanabbott2737]

He’s just got good taste!👍

[@mikemurphy3820]

"In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" is one of the best live albums in my collection...check it out

[@Corvid]

The live video is here on youtube until it gets pulled down, I've lost track of the number of times I watched it, it's timeless

[@HiGlowie]

Yes!

[@nwcoastlife]

The dual drummers was cool. That stage was like a who’s who of NoWave, punk, and industrial groups of the time.

[@sellersgarner]

yes. and the most played to death VHS tape you own, no? Jello is in there, they have two drummers like... who the fuck does that other than Grateful Dead? Chain link fence and.... it's almost as good as Oscar Butterworth in Neil Young's Unplugged.

[@arthunkle3213]

Unequivocally.

[@JonathanChalker]

I am so fortunate for having discovered Ministry early in the mid-80’s. I had discovered a few others prior (Puppy, 242, etc) and it set off an obsession with the Wax Trax, Play It Again Sam catalog. It was such a central aspect of my teens, 20’s, and to some degree still is today even though I am a corporate exec. There was s this recent interview with Strombo, where Al says he is waiting for the kids that listen to his music all these years to become leaders and take heed to some of his message so they’ll be better influences in the world. Well, we’re here . I carry an edge and counterculture mentality with me every day even though on the face, I look like a sell out. Al to this day will say there isn’t anything wrong with money, the problem is with greed. Nothing wrong with getting on with others and fitting in as long as you don’t trade off your identity in the process. Great to hear from people who were late to the party. Just imagine had you found it when you were highly impressionable.

[@coled2048]

Me too, I did not know how to react to Land of Rape and Honey and then The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste. Had to get Psalm 69 but I think The Mind is still my favorite. Hell I was listening to Depeche Mode and XTC so my mind got bend fast. Skinny Puppy got me into NIN.

[@JakeWitmer]

Yeah...was cool to see him tell Alex Jones that he's a libertarian... great lyrics on the 1000 Homo DJs album, too

[@empale1]

I was listening to Ministry at 12. Thanks to a older sibling and a friends older sibling that was in a industrial band. Also, skateboarding opened new musical doors for me. Bill is great. And, this was great to hear.

[@testpattern23]

Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, a ministry side project with former minor threat and fugazi front man ian mcckaye called Pailhead. You also had a more electronic side project called Acid Horse as well as awesome stuff that is almost as old as ministry, The Revolting Cocks. Pigface also started out in the late 80s which featured all the greats at the time, from Skinny Puppy to KMFDM to Ministry to NIN and threw them all together in a hodge podge of industrial rock music. I was one of those fortunate had an older brother steeped in the new wave scene. He was born in '67 and me in '74. Check out 80's Chicago Wax Trax...that's where most of this flourished.

[@testpattern23]

+Jason Williams the waxx trax black box set is a great comprehensive look into 80s and early 90s industrial.

[@saberwolfe6363]

+Jason Williams i was too young to catch it at the beginning, but I got on to FLA, Ministry and NIN in the mid 90s. Only later did I come to appreciate the genius that is Skinny Puppy.

[@testpattern23]

therein lies the poetry tho, opening yourself to those lyrics breathes a deeper understanding...I try at my best to mimic that in the music I wish to produce. At my worst: parrot. For me, personally it took psychedelics to finally give myself over, that was 20 years ago and now in my 40s it still lingers and resonates.

[@francisbottoni6470]

Well written, Bub!

[@Maschinestorm]

Al got most of his ideas and even tried to copy a lot of the techniques when he sat in the studio on the early (EBM pioneers from Belgium) Front242 stuff, yes he was also a big fan of SkinnyPuppy. Although no connection, FLA and Cubanate I found as superior in the musical sense, not so much in story telling.. but then Al was always like a grandpa anyway, so..

[@OKABACUS]

Hearing Bill talk about how he’s found this music after all these years warms my heart.

[@erreur]

great book, just finished. Ministry was my favorite band when I was an acid dropping teenager. Land Of Rape And Honey is 10/10.

[@enochinthedark]

Bill Burr just ranked up in my opinion. Imagine discovering a band like Ministry or Skinny Puppy later in life and being like ..Wow! There must be so much more beneath the surface of what is spoon feed to as and called music! He's a funny guy and you should give Bill's stand up a listen after you listen to Ministry of course ;)

[@metalgod27]

Psalm 69 is a really good Ministry album, especially if you're coming from a metal background.

[@vsander09]

Mind... is better though

[@sigep145]

@The Hooded Claw Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste is the best Ministry album. Never gets old and there's new shit you catch every time you listen.

[@Ihasfinger911]

You're all wrong. Filth Pig is ministry's best album

[@MetalHeadJagger]

@@vsander09 i dont disagree but i do beg to differ well shit the land of rape of honey,the mind is a terrible thing to waste and psalm 69 are all legendary and influential albums and way ahead of its time even filth pig is a decent album it turned a few people away from ministry because it was different from his other work

[@Corvid]

Madly under rated, I've been blown away by how many people I would never expect to like Ministry, and they love Psalm 69! Certainly helps that bands like Rammstein asolutely take heavy influence from that era of Ministry. While the rest of the metal "scene" is intent on trying to drop tune below 0hZ, bands like that knew a fucking great guitar tone when they heard Just One Fix!

[@BRYONMU]

Bill nailed it. My older sister got me in to this stuff when I was as young as ten years old.

[@suzanne5924]

Billy, you are awesome! I was the youngest and I was way into Ministry. I've met Al a few times (he's crazy) but the music is right on and so are you. Better to get to the party late than not at all. Cheers!

[@filmgob]

Big Ministry fan, i'd recommend Killing Joke, Big Black, Jesus Lizard, Cop Shoot Cop, Foetus

[@soundgardener4940]

Killing Joke are totally f**king unimpeachable.

[@eamonwright7488]

Throbbing Gristle, Severed Head, PIGFACE, Revolting Cocks, etc

[@scouts9447]

Blood for Blood?

[@scouts9447]

@@soundgardener4940 love yr name!

[@jaxager]

Foetus (JG Thirlwell) is a fucking genius.

[@Sarah-pq8kj]

It's a blast to read! Got my copy signed by Al ♡

[@phjr.7889]

Love this band and everything Al touched. I was the perfect age to appreciate this when it was new. I'm with you Strange Tamer, Filth Pig was a good one!

[@phjr.7889]

That's exactly what I meant when I said "everything he touched"

[@humbumhumbuim]

Al is a legend

[@briangiesen2015]

I just got that book. Lost Gospels? Dude AL is kick ass. When Keith Richards was downstairs and AL was too spaced out and told them to get out not realizing one of his idols was downstairs playing pool. Plus Gibby.

[@NinaMelpomeneLynch]

I had no cool older siblings, BUT since back in the day MTV had shows like Headbanger's Ball and 120 Minutes and Alternative Nation, so I got introduced to awesome music while a kid in the eighties and nineties. Al is a genius, not many like him.

[@Riddler_von]

I met Al one time in Toronto on the tour that became the video In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up. Madman jumping on desks…. The bass player was nice ….

[@ROOKTABULA]

I got into Ministry because of a Kirk Hammet mention of them in a Much Music interview in 88 and they played a clip from Stigmata. I went out a searched hard to find the album and it is still my fave song on the album. Uncle Al is just being a knob about it cuz it's popular

[@windtwist]

2 of my favourite people!

[@shanemajor9123]

I transport cars on occasion with my neighbor, it's his transport business. We take turns driving and when I drive late at night Ministry and Bill Burr are my staples to help keep me awake.

[@BodyByBenSLC]

Thats one of my all time favorite albums.

[@wildheart999]

I was around 12 in 1980 and I was the eldest of my siblings and my parents were uptight religious fanatics and my refuge was listening to BAUHAUS, SIOUXSIE & The BANSHEES, P.I.L., THE CHAMELEONS, and so much more awesome music. Bill Burr was just not up on the good music when he was 12. No excuses. LOL Living in California in 1980 I also listened to X, DEAD KENNEDYS, BLACK FLAG, and other great punk bands.

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

Interesting. I thought I was out of the loop on music in the 80’s. I listened to everything from Ministry, Dead Kennedy’s to Whitney Houston, Stray Cat’s, The Cure to my personal favorite band of all time 10k Maniacs. Crazy!

[@judeinstereo6540]

Ministry - "Psalm 69" (1992) - best album ever. Buy it now, friend for life. The riff in "Just One Fix" is worth it alone, especially after the break 3/4 of the way in. A band WAY before their time, that started the genre known as industrial, w/ their album "The Land of Rape and Honey" in ....86(?) I believe. I call them the trilogy albums, "Land/Honey", "The Mind is a Terrible thing to Taste", & "Psalm 69". Also, "No W" is the "sequel" to NWO very much worth checking out. Video as well. Uncle Al should have some amazing material coming out soon, now that DT is Pres. like he said, "We only write good albums when a republican's in office" lol. And with that, he's currently in the studio for most of this year. (2017) 🤘🏼

[@dsads4369]

As influential as Ministry is, they did not start Industrial as a genre. TG did a decade earlier.

[@hehunches]

RIP mikey scaccia lord of riffology, live on in the underworld, big brother we love you

[@crazyjimheath]

Stigmata is my favorite too,..one of my favorites.. It's actually more industrial with a guitar part over it

[@chrisbryz1652]

awesome, I startled listening to these guys when I was like 10 not motely cru lol

[@keepondjw]

my big sister got me into ministry early - hell yeah!

[@sarys73]

I'm glad my friends and I were always on the hunt for something better. Sure Crue was fun, but at a very young age in the 80's and early 90's we had a all kinds of good albums kicking. From New Order, and Cure to Death, and Carcass. So my little brother who is 14 yrs younger grew up with full access to good stuff.

[@KRAPYBARA84]

This makes me so happy my 2 worlds colliding

[@SpunkDaddy]

I was watching burr on Netflix and fix on KZbin. good link

[@superserial1]

Stigmata was one of my fav mosh songs.

[@benringenberg6265]

Bill burr jumped up many points in my opinion of him. I had no idea al wrote a book, I want it.

[@DJMTRAXXX]

Nitzer Ebb wuz also anotha amazing industrial group from the 80'z... With lead vocalist Douglas McCarthy

[@netten3388]

Word!

[@oopsydaizi3s824]

Saw an interview with Dino Cazares from fear factory mention ministry as one of his influences and thought I’d check them out. Now i love ministry

[@loganshotrod4x464]

My god, so much good music from the 70’s, 80’s & 90’s that so few know about, that get no recognition or airplay: Nazareth, no mean city. The Gaza Strippers. The Didjits. The Meteors. Revolting Cocks. P. Paul Fenech. The Supersuckers. ...& yeah, Ministry too! Start digging & you’ll find a grip of good stuff!

[@sloppycrotch7289]

Al Jourgensen is the Doug Stanhope of music. A wild genius living in a compound.

[@mcgarry2588]

I found out about this stuff without a sibling, those cd/record shops in the west village NYC had whole sections of this stuff. The goth clubs played some of this stuff for its industrial side. I would ask the DJ what they just played all the time. Great stuff.

[@alcopower5710]

Just one fix best Ministry song

[@Drewcifer1972]

Stigmata is one of my favorites too lol.

[@infowarriorone]

Stigmata is what turned me on to Ministry.

[@davidrpriest]

Best song ever played in a club.

[@michelsijtsma5308]

Stigmata was part of the soundtrack of a cult movie from 1990 named Hardware. Must’ve been my first Ministry song as well. Second song was Thieves. My fascination with Ministry ended with Filth Pig.

[@gangurobitch]

In the 80s, I listened to Raffi and Barry Louis Polisar and the soundtracks of Sesame Street, Rainbow Brite, and Care Bears. So hardc0re.

[@123usauae]

I had been a fan in the 80's and saw them on the land of rape and honey tour and the mind is a terrible thing to taste. just had no idea al was on heroin plus. a genius is all I can say about him. his influence or creation really of that genre of music was so unique I am still baffled at how good he was/is. I hadn't thought about them for years but got into a conversation about wax Trax and it just got me listening again. mind u I'm 45 but can still appreciate it. cheers to your discovery!

[@elizabethrubino9017]

Those albums are both LAME. Relapse and the Bush Trilogy are the best because they're SOOOO hard!!!

[@NAUresistance]

Check out their band "Lead Into Gold" and "Pail Head".. good shit! When your done with those two.. check out their band "LARD", particularly the song, Generation Execute.. Enjoy!

[@VIDEOgameDROME]

NAUresistance Acid Horse and PTP are also great... maybe even better depending on what era/style of Ministry you like.

[@eatacheese7589]

I was looking in the comments section for someone to mention Lard. They're the shit.

[@GoadedGoblin]

Similarly fantastic books: The Long Hard Road Out of Hell - Manson, Seven Deadly Sins: Settling the Argument Between Born Bad and Damaged Good - Taylor, and Kitchen Confidential - Bourdain. Yes, the last one is a book by a Chef, but if you read it you will understand why it's on the list.

[@ABoyd1852]

Al is this generations Keith Richards and Lemmy all rolled into one.

[@gateauxq4604]

Proof that confessing to listening to the 80s metal radio shit when you could have been listening to something good-it's cleansing for the soul!

[@itsjustian8484]

M is for Ministry f-ing rules! F is for family is a kick ass show!

[@kommissar.murphy]

Everything ministry put out was great.

[@sixstringer98]

Bill Burr was on Opie and Anthony with Al Jourgensen and Rogan. Hilarious interview. Jourgensen is hilarious

[@TheFilmReviewerersOfficial]

Same, stigmata is a bop

[@shagadelic215]

the shitting blood story in the beginning had got me hooked. ridiculous story

[@adamcoleman4419]

Lots of people love to shit on Al, but he's definitely a legend and we're so lucky he's still around being a crotchety old guy.

[@stormyweather9917]

I love Duran Duran!

[@travispadilla3972]

bill burr is the man never new he was a metal head and he like the fucking best band

[@Ventro69]

This planet owes Al Jourgensen fucking everything!!

[@joemack7709]

Al has a new band called surgical meth machine. As far as 2016 bands that are out right now, nuclear blast seems to be the label that has probabily the best metal. Hands down between them and metal blade. A lot of other label for metal in the industry doesn't compare.

[@toddmorris1858]

Al is one of a kind. First met him in 83 or 84 in Dallas. I saw him play there on accident( was going to see another band).... and I was so mesmerized. I loved the music. Al never gets the credit he deserves. He and Wax Trax started a movement. There wouldn’t be a NIN or Pantera ( I went to high school with those guys) without Al. I believe Trent got his bands name from what Al said. He’s got all these wonderful and freaking crazy stories.... and I believe they’re all true.... just don’t get him talking about politics!

[@bobinchainz]

im a huge fan of bill burr's so this was cool finding out that he too is just now getting involved with ministry. Im actually having a hard time getting into them. Im a big fan of all types of rock and metal and i love nine inch nails. From what ive gathered, there wouldnt be a nin without ministry. But every song i hear of ministry just seems to be repetitive. i need a good die hard ministry fan to throw me some good tunes. i kinda like " jesus built my hot rod" "just one fix" and "stigmata."

[@vsander09]

Thieves, Burning Inside and So What

[@francisbottoni6470]

Sum of ministry is repetitive & thats part of what makes it unique....then there's stuff that's like prof Rick industrial goth....it's pretty groovy stuff yo....I meditate & trance out to a few Ministry records::::: Mind is Terrible Thing Taste & Land of Rape & Honey....Filth Pig & Dark Side have similar effect on me too!!

[@jaxager]

I just saw them last week in Cleveland. They played Stigmata. If he still hates the song then I'm glad he decides to play it. Granted, they were playing a bunch of stuff off of The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste. They did a bunch of side project stuff too, like Pailhead and 1000 Homo DJs.

[@brentmccolm1786]

Better late than never Bill

[@dr.scorpiopus8907]

Waxtrax, netwerk and cleopatra are great record label that have great music..

[@krisross8818]

Bill should check out the Replacements, Godflesh, old Soul Asylum, Fudge tunnel, and nailbomb to name a few.

[@biodot88]

Replacements just really sucked. I'm sorry.

[@DemonSlide]

biodot88 Let It Be is pretty fuckin' good though.

[@patataki_]

Sisters of Mercy.... listen to Amphetamine Logic Bill Burr

[@hehunches]

I wish I made choices that led to Al's royalties

[@starduck8014]

hehe listening to Motley Crue at the time LOL

[@railroadtrash09]

I gotta get this book! Sounds like 50 Shades of Crazy. Jawbreaker and Pennywise.

[@TommyLent]

Fraont Line Assembly and Psychopomps Peace :)

[@lleeooo]

I wondering if the fact that Stigmata (song and video) was featured in a Miami Vice episode has anything to do with Al's disdain for it.

[@robertromero8452]

Every Nine Inch Nails album ever. Especially the Fragile and Downward Spiral

[@travispadilla3972]

You know what will been fucking amazing if and al jourgensen and gg allin met now that a book to read

[@christurnblom4825]

I was lucky. I lived in a small town in Utah and still got exposed to all of the good stuff. Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, Front242, Nitzer Ebb, NIN Pigface etc, etc. But ya... I had a couple older sisters that helped me out but they were mostly into new wave type stuff New Order, Midnight oil, Depeche Mode etc. But they pointed me in the right direction. Thasher Magazine did help a little.

[@BRYONMU]

Einsturzende Neubauten??

[@christurnblom4825]

BRYONMU Nope. haven't heard of them till now. Thanks. Sounds like John Lydon singing in German.

[@badreligionbomb]

what town? I live in Lehi

[@christurnblom4825]

Jason Bock Brigham. It was a great town to get into this type of music as they had a suicide epidemic during that time so severe that 20/20 or 60 min. or some shit did a show on it.

[@christurnblom4825]

***** lol That must have been interesting. I moved to St. George in 1991. the town was more than twice the size of Brigham but still so isolated that nearly no one had heard of any of the music me and my sister listened to. At least in Brigham you could pick up KJQ out of Ogden if you tried hard enough. We were like outcasts there. Then I got sent to the bad kids school and made some friends. I knew a guy that grew up in Kanab in the 70's and said he'd go to school dressed like Paul Revere & The Raiders and get the shit kicked out of him for it.

[@scouts9447]

Skinny Puppy! Mudhoney! Einstruzende Neubauten! Nick Cave! Misfits! (E.N. is Nick Cave's back up band) Black Flag! They were all great shows. Have E.N.'s logo (halber mensch) on my forearm and just found out so does Mr. Al. I think Mr. Rollins does as well. ♡ oh.. Blood for Blood. They rock. A little later tho. Mindless Self Indulgence is great.. late 90's tho. .. ooh No Control by Bad Religion. Have tickets to see Ministry in San Diego in a few days. Can't wait. Oh... anything by The Pixies..

[@hankcuntpunt7166]

I've been a Ministry fan since 12 inch singles.whats the book title?

[@tomself6505]

+David TD no, it's called "Cooking in the Ministry- Hot Dogs and Organic Buns and the Death that Consumes 1990's Industrial Music: A Cookbook of Nihilism".

[@VIDEOgameDROME]

Hank Cuntpunt it's called Ministry: The Lost Gospels According To Al Jourgensen. Take some of it with a grain of salt because as wild as it seems some of it is probably pretty exaggerated. There's also a documentary called Fix which isn't that great but it's something to compare stories to along with the superior (imo) 'Concrete, Bulletproof, Invisible & Fried: My Life as a Revolting Cock' by Chris Connelly. It's pretty funny and serves as a counter-point to some of Al's claims about him (Al's book came out after).

[@VIDEOgameDROME]

Mark Grant I figured the partying might be legitimate but I don't party that hard anyway lol

[@gilligan80]

Oh man...... I grew up post punk prime...... I was thrash generation .....the last month I've been listening to old punk..... I know half the songs as covers by bands like sepultura and slayer and pantera........etc etc etc....... it was kind of weird but of course awesome.... the circle jerks are my current favorite band

[@sketchtown6663]

Bill burr likes Ministry? Fuck yeah!

[@Verbomotoriste]

I dont like everything Bill Burr is saying but half of his stuff is pretty on point, like having an older brother who dumps all this good music on you. This was exactly our situation in 1990 where we had 2 older brothers from our crew and would make us tapes with ministry, lard, nomeansno, victims family, etc, etc... listening to this i realise i took this for a given and could have missed alot of it.

[@MrSlanderer]

I thought I was the only one wondering how Land of Rape and Honey managed to pass without becoming a smash hit at the time. Been listening to Ministry for little over a year. Daily staple.

[@halloweendecember7770]

Al "I was pickled" Jourgensen

[@xenotron1138]

Just go buy the entire Skinny Puppy collection... do it now!

[@Pun2404]

Al FTW

[@jimmyttkacz2006]

slayer, complete thrash era

[@smashwisegamji1458]

I was kinda scared when I clicked this...I love bill but I was worried he was gonna try and rip up Al...now I just love him more lol

[@Lisa-rp9oz]

Al Jourgensen is so underrated as an intelligent man. His music is great. However, his perspectives are so insightful. I agree...his music is amazing. He lives his life to the fullest and who can blame him. With that much fame and influence, a person will do some wild things. But, his political views are on point.

[@BUSTRCHERRI]

I don't think al is underated as an intelligent guy. Most everyone that knows of him knows he's highly intelligent. It's just intelligent on a drugged out his own terms calls it like he sees it stage is all. I think it's absolutely great that he couldn't make music unless he was totally whacked out on dope and booze. Where on the flip side there's a ton of musicians that can't produce good music anymore because the dope and booze stole their creativity. That guy from the eurythmics was another one like AL. Every single one of their songs was made while on LSD. Fact.

[@BlahSnarto]

most of the stuff that came out of chicago around that time IE waxx traxx records..

[@JakeWitmer]

Theres a lot of great stuff Bill could stand to give a chance. Some of the butthole surfers' stuff is really lit, too ...as is the Reverend Horton Heat

[@DavidDArcy1975]

i was 5 in 1980 and i got Ministry in about '86/87... and '87 was the first year i went to a gig - Bowie in Slane, as a 12yr old. you were just being punished by the 'powers that be' for ever thinking motley crue were good

[@adj789]

did he ever hear Skinny Puppy too? even more bizarre

[@DarthMohammedRules]

Good call. *nods*

[@V1VISECT6]

adj789 Better Canadian Icon than Nickelback.

[@catsinjello]

lel I'm actually reading this holy shit

[@DUPED2]

kinda surprised Bill wasn't hip to Ministry, so maybe he don't know about Kyuss or QOTSA or Them Crooked Vultures either

[@chutupfool]

GODFLESH

[@Kronaphasia]

Check out American Demon by Jack Grisham.

[@kentdavis8685]

peter tosh in second grade but liked crue too but hit puberty

[@FiatPompeius]

I second Scratch Acid//The Jesus Lizard. That shit is abstract.

[@gibsonraymonda]

Try Big Black’s Atomizer from 1986. I listened to shitty music for most of the 80s too, but I was born when Jimmy Carter was still in office. Pretty much just hip hop, Weird Al, and oldies ‘87-‘93. Some of it’s almost as embarrassing as Poison in retrospect.

[@talbrott]

Stigmata rocks

[@magneteye]

The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste. Get it.