Bioware Can't Afford Any Mistakes With Dragon Age: The Veilguard - Luke Reacts

[@Jiggyb00]

"My face is tired" is the only quote people remember from that game.

[@johnnii]

My face is my shield

[@EastyyBlogspot]

I only learned recently she was supposed to say "my Faith is is tired "....but still that is weird wording too lol

[@dychostarr]

​@EastyyBlogspot considering the text itself shows "face" and we can MOST likely assume the text came from the same script they used for the VA's? It makes 0 semse and such a bad argument to get away from the meme. That's coming from someone who had a decent time with the game (all the critism VERY valid)

[@ocoolwow]

​@@EastyyBlogspot you apparently learned stupid from whomever told you that too.

[@Lost77]

I remember the really bad flirting attempt where what's-her-face was saying "You have a nice face and I like looking at it." to another woman, and then it panned over to a different alien as he just said "Kill meeeeee..." which I felt really encapsulated my feeling about the game

[@trenaceandblackmetal5621]

Their first mistake was calling it THE veilguard

[@robertocioffi2523]

Is this a meme i don't get or something else?

[@Snappybiscuits]

​@robertocioffi2523 The origins, the inquisition, the 2 😅

[@robertocioffi2523]

@@Snappybiscuits i mean the only one that could make sense was the inquisition, because it's a group like the veilguard lol

[@drvnzer1128]

Should’ve just stayed with dreadwolf

[@forsaken841]

The dragon age: the veilguard

[@videnschaos]

They recently said they are dropping the ability to control your party members as (the new combat can be overwhelming) which I don’t believe for a second after seeing the combat trailer. More like they just cheaped out there for money reasons. Also they are dropping the party size down from 4 to 3

[@65firered]

They're just insulting us at this point.

[@Kross415]

This info has been out for a month by now. They just focus on the sexuality of the companions because they can't say anything positive about the game. The only real reason is because they're using the Mass Effect companion system 1 to 1 and that system has 1 less companions, they're non-controlable and with less active skills. Everything they've been saying is straight up lies to sell the game because they know they're fººººº

[@sadmarinersfan8935]

The fact that they are concerned, about overwhelming, the player said everything I need to know not that I had any hope anymore anyways, but they have completely lost what made their list of amazing games in their past

[@Kross415]

@@sadmarinersfan8935 Everything in the game has been simplified, they gave the same reasoning for the companions having smaller skill trees than the player character with only 5 total skills as to not ''overwhelm the player''

[@TheEffectOfMass]

They said it took away from the experience. That tells me that they're making the wrong experience.

[@65firered]

To be blunt, BG3 has more of what Dragon Age fans want than Bioware has produced in a decade. This game is going in the opposite direction.

[@bohannon2692]

Ya but the world isn't as good in bg3 dragon age is better

[@65firered]

@@bohannon2692 Which would you rather have The Veilguard or BG3?

[@CultofSensuality]

@@bohannon2692 The foundation of what was built in the original Dragon Age, is just as compelling as the world of BG3; however, if the gameplay isn't equally compelling, does it really matter?

[@xannybee]

@@65firered DA:O walked so BG3 could run, but I’m not sure what’s going to beat out BG3 now or ever.

[@65firered]

@@xannybee I agree, it's just BG3 honors that legacy where The Veilguard does not. Larian is more respectful to Bioware's legacy than Bioware themselves, which is ironic all things considered.

[@frenchfriedbagel7035]

Reminder that CDPR spent a year delaying Cyperpunk while claiming everything was finished and that they just wanted an ultra polished game to be released. Only for that all to be a massive lie and the game was unfinished when it was being sent out for disc production. So I don’t trust any developer now that talks about their game only needing polish. Edit: I am SHOCKED that this comment is getting any kind of support. Over the last 4 years everytime I made this statement. I would get ridiculed and told that I didn’t know what I was talking about.

[@0-Seya-0]

They released it cause they pushed back the release too many times and the shareholders asked questions. Made CDPR panic and the players disappointed... lol

[@frenchfriedbagel7035]

@@0-Seya-0 They still lied about the state of the game. To everybody.

[@thomasb2031]

CDPR are scammers

[@Blue_Lunacy]

@@0-Seya-0 I feel the main reason is that the CEO and the executives can get the bonus that tied with the game release.

[@jazzyjswift]

@@frenchfriedbagel7035 Actually a lot of that was because of the QA team they had contracted outright lied about the state of the game to the devs. The devs were under so much crunch they couldn't even sit down to play test their own game, it had to be outsourced. Quantic Labs was later sued because of the malpractice and outright false information they had passed on to the CDPR team regarding their QA findings as well as the fact that they hired completely inexperienced QA testers and lied about that as well. This was huge, but only within certain circles paying attention to what was really going on. The general public never really got informed about the shady practices this third party team was employing which resulted in effectively no QA despite them having a QA company test their game. The lack of experienced QA testers resulted in a lot of unimportant bugs being reported or reports themselves not being properly documented so they could be replicated, etc. Eventually they sorted this out and got a proper QA team to look over things but by that time it was too late, there was far too many serious game breaking issues for them to fix everything, and so they had to prioritize getting the game out in as playable of a state as possible which meant that visual bugs or bugs that didn't outright crash the game or lock players out of completing the main story took priority over visual bugs or physics issues. That said, a CDPR employee did later come out and state that the dev team was aware it was not in a launch-ready state when they did launch it, but there were so many backdated issues to pour through that it wouldn't have been possible to make both shareholders and customers happy if they had postponed it yet again. That doesn't justify the state it launched it, but it does explain what happened.

[@dragonhitman1071]

Technically bioware was going downhill around inquisition. Us fans still had rose tinted glasses then. Andromeda broke the crap out of em though.

[@DrDaveDavington]

@@dragonhitman1071 It feels similar to how bgs fans say "fallout 4 is the best selling fallout game" to disregard criticisms of the direction of the studio.

[@dragonhitman1071]

@@DrDaveDavington yup, pretty much the same thing. Inquisition had a crap tone of issues we all looked passed from characters, lore, gameplay, story etc.

[@zuriyel5368]

I'd say Mass Effect 3 considering the backlash to the ending, forcing BioWare to make DLC to change it. But the image of BioWare certainly did get worsened after Witcher 3 came out like half a year after Inquisition, showing how far behind Inquisition was compared to the competition

[@dragonhitman1071]

@@zuriyel5368 ok yup, that ending was garbage of the highest order. So happy Sombody made a mod to change it.

[@HomerSimpson-os4iv]

Inquisition lost me an hour or less into the game when it had the villagers burst into a musical after watching their homes burn down and their families unalived by what was allegedly the most powerful and evil entity in the lore. Made absolutely zero sense. It felt like a silly Disney movie. And kinda like Starfield, the more of the game I played, the more I despised it.

[@CyborgNinjaJesus]

Besides the weird trailer and general skepticism I share, I don't like the art direction of Veilguard, at all. I don't mind the stylized look, not everything has to be realistic and Dragon Age always had a degree of stylization, but Veilguard is too colorful and doesn't give me dark fantasy vibes. It looks like another high fantasy game, since DAO they have been moving away from dark fantasy and this one with the monster having those neon colors is just the worst offender.

[@ytsuxmuhd4998]

WoW players RPing (in-game) their DA fanfics.* I know. Had the same thought.

[@TheEffectOfMass]

It feels like a generic fantasy game if you're just looking at pictures. Just sad.

[@theblackknight101]

Also the characters look like they are in a marvel movie

[@alexramirez4110]

I still love that they say "Anthem taught Bioware it should focus on what its good at" like we don't all know DA Veilguard started as a live service, you didnt learn anything from Anthem and were forced to change the game when other live services failed and the game was trash

[@sayurioffenborn4960]

They learn from Anthem and change DA after Anthems release to single player. EA wanted live service for DA in the first place. Joplin the game Bioware wanted was a very different game gameplay wise.

[@O.C.P_officer77]

Say what you will about anthem what is impressive is that they had like “8 years” of development time and the last 12 to 8 months was them in actual development because management was so terrible a guy from a different team forced everyone to crunch and slam on the gas to get the game finished. So technically anthem is a game that was made within one year or less

[@jarrodeaston6373]

​@O.C.P_officer77 Yep I remember about the development of anthem. It was a absolute trainwreck behind the scenes of that game and I hope they didnt repeat the same mistakes with veilguard but my expectations are low.

[@TheRevan1337]

Inquisition was likely also some sort of online game at some point in development

[@Nockblock]

This is a perfect example of people looking to hate just because they can. They said anthem was the wrong move and we’re not gonna do that this time, how could you possibly spin that to be negative?

[@TheCrimsonOne508]

As a massive Dragon Age fan, BioWare has nearly completely lost me with its marketing for this game. I don’t have a problem with more action oriented gameplay. It looks like it’s basically fantasy Mass Effect gameplay-wise, which is completely fine to me. But goddamn, this marketing cycle has been absolutely awful. Two trailers, one that was panned and one that had mixed reception, and then a bunch of “tell, don’t show” in the form of lackluster Game Informer articles, and nothing since. They keep telling us how great the companions and story are, but they won’t show us character trailers like they did with Inquisition. They keep telling us how engaging the combat is but won’t show past level 1 tutorial bs. They keep saying they’ll show more “Soon™”, but they don’t give anything concrete and are completely silent. I’ve been waiting for this game for a decade. I want to see how the story ends. And because of how terrible the marketing is, I don’t even know if I’m going to play Veilguard anymore. They’ve nearly completely lost me, a massive fan of the series. I can only imagine what a casual customer must be thinking.

[@Deliveredmean42]

BioWare is in name only. The OG devs are gone I imagine. So its understandable how this new Bioware under full EA control will turn out the way it is, especially when seitxhing from Unreal to Frostbite end up being a hinderance to both Bioware Studios.

[@TheCrimsonOne508]

@@Deliveredmean42 a lot of the team is actually still there. The lead writer wrote Mordin in Mass Effect and Solas in Inquisition, and everyone but David Gaider worked on Veilguard from the writing team. And honestly, a lot of the problems are on BioWare, not EA

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

@@TheCrimsonOne508 A lot of the team might be there, but the ones from their Glory days, and the one who used to LEAD Bioware, are no longer there, or at least mostly aren't. They haven't been for some time. It's why you can feel the drastic difference in their old titles compared to the new.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

And the gameplay is why I'm not interested. I bought all 4 MEs so far and all 3 DAs, and KOTOR. I won't be buying this on launch. I may not buy it at all. (Honestly, as long as the story is even REMOTELY good, I'll probably pick it up when it's $20 or less, or get GameFly for a month and play it that way, but still)

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

@@Paradox-es3bl Honestly from what I can see I'm not going to like the game. I personally plan on watching a KZbinr if the story seems interesting though.

[@sws212]

When a gaming company becomes ass, it's only a question of who left or who acquired them.

[@jaydeeao]

This is why BG3 was so good. Larian Studios made Divinity Original Sin 1 & 2 and with each game they learned and improved. They were then able to take that knowledge and use it for BG3. No imagine if they pivoted and decided to do something with BG3 that they were not good at like making the game like a first person multiple player adventure game. I don't think BG3 would have been a big hit like it was.

[@nendymion]

True, but they could pivot now if they wanted to. They have built up enough good will with the fans that they could experiment at least once.

[@prodtetch]

​@@nendymionthey've said that their next game will be a sci-fi project, not BG4, so I think they very well might be pivoting as we speak

[@Kross415]

The problem is not making a new game you're not used to do, they did the same with Mass Effect being a shooter when all they did since 1998 was RTwP games. The problem is doing a 180º on an already existing franchise. If they want to make a new racing car, sure, let them try, but don't make it the 4th installment of a game series just for free marketing.

[@jaydeeao]

@@Kross415 I agree

[@jaydeeao]

@@nendymion I agree, but I don't think they could pivot with DOS or BG, BUT......if it was a completely new project not related to those they could pivot a bit.

[@AyatollahS.A.Khamenei]

Oh buddy , best believe there will be missteps

[@Roe777]

They already did with that lame trailer. Getting Suicide Squad, new Saints Row and Concord vibes lmao

[@tarekben5524]

Isn't it so obvious with the gameplay video? I still don't get why people can't or wont see it. Delusional. And always making the same mistake of being hyped by bs.

[@Nockblock]

@@tarekben5524 That’s nonsense, the majority of people are still waiting to see actual evidence of it being terrible, whereas people like you hate it on principal.

[@Wolfdoggie]

Yes exactly. I prefer the edgyness of Origins where even the humor was dark and mature like Leliana's violent shift in personalities in her trailer. "More crazy? I thought we were all full up?" This got that Diablo 2 to 3 vibes where they somehow turn a dark atmosphere into a vibrant childish disney movie.

[@Bman67]

I'm not impressed with the new direction. I definitely won't be buying it on day one.

[@GmTy]

I will be buying day one.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Dead_Hitori]

@@GmTy enjoy the slop

[@TwoHandedChargedBonk]

​@@GmTylet me guess - you are also buying the Outlaws and AC Shadows day one?

[@slappypants69]

​@@GmTy ill be right there with you. No shame in it

[@GmTy]

@@TwoHandedChargedBonkNo. why?

[@demiandevile2731]

My bad feeling about Veilguard is that they talk so much about relationships and s*xualities, it seems to be more like a dating sim than a RPG.

[@Zoggwogg]

@@demiandevile2731 welcome to Bioware games.

[@deathofnagoya]

@@demiandevile2731 arent romances an integral part of rpgs?

[@demiandevile2731]

@@deathofnagoya Not integral, sure the option is nice to have but not necessary on a level of importance than other mechanics like enemy AI, fighting systems, level system, gear system, options in quests with effects on the story and game. I personally need no romance options in any game, I don't use them in my main play through, just in the third or fourth one I maybe use one of them just to have it done because its possible. So it is nice to have as an option but not necessary for a RPG game. Thats the problem most I hear and read about Veilguard is romance BS, so it seems to be very important for the developers and I think these are simply wrong priorities. Except they want to make a dating sim, but than they should not try market it as a RPG.

[@Vera-yu9eh]

With noone you can date.

[@HaveButOneLife]

Yeah that's cringe. Who cares about that shit? Don't they have more original things to write about? If true that sucks, I wouldn't touch a game like that with a 10 ft pole.

[@robertbarga3694]

Twice now in different videos, Luke has had a really great way of calling out the "modern day"-isms of new games in such a classy way as to not offend but at the same time get across the idea that certain dev choices, character designs, etc are just something most of us roll our eyes at. My hats off because it's so true.

[@gottinrod]

Reaper has been sharpening his sickle for a while looking at bioware. That godawful trailer made him grin.

[@theblackknight101]

I hope dragon age goes to a better studio that does its unique and great setting more justice

[@mulwin444]

The reason BioWare didn't get shut down after Andromeda and Anthem is, despite their divisive deceptions respectively, they both made money (5+ million copies sold for each of them). On an investor call after Andromeda's release, EA credited Andromeda as a solid revenue driver for them that quarter. For its part, Anthem was the top game for sales in Feb 2019, generated $100+ million in revenue it's 1st quarter and hung around the top 10 in sales most of the year. The problem was neither had staying power. While Andromeda made money, it didn't meet EA's expectations which led to planned DLC and a sequel to be scuttled and for BioWare Montreal to be absorbed by EA Motive. Anthem had a similar trajectory - strong start but its reception slowes its momentum and, despite making money, it didn't make ALL the money, and Anthem 2.0 got stopped. So, there's the balance...not good enough to be a hit and not bad enough to lose $200 mil like Suicide Squad. Inquisition was 2014 Game of the Year and sold 12 million copies lifetime so that likely played in EA's calculus in allowing them to scrap the live service elements that had been worked on since Mike Laidlaw's version had been abandoned in 2017

[@Balinux756]

They already missed the mark with the 2 companion thing, the human looking elves and other stuff.

[@cande9023]

@@Balinux756 I agree with the 2 companion limit being a misstep, but elves looked like regular humans with pointy ears in both origins and inquisition (only slimmer in inquisition). DA2 was the only game in the franchise that gave them distinct features.

[@Balinux756]

@@cande9023 The elves always had distinct facial features in all the games. Large eyes, weird aquiline noses(the last 2 games) and sharp faces. They were pretty distinctive from humans. What Veilguard is propping up flies in the face of established designs. What's worse it seems to be done for some weird sense of inclusion rather than good world building.

[@cande9023]

@@Balinux756 again, I only think DA2 stuck to those parameters you're mentioning. Same as how qunaris were widely different in that game (I personally prefer the DA2 designs). The bodies were the only thing that set them apart in Inquisition (as well as lack beards for males if I remember correctly).

[@cande9023]

@@Balinux756 we’re just going to have to agree to disagree then. Although I do suggest you look into the discourse online from other people, because the elf design in Inquisition (as well as the qunari) were one of the most critiqued aspects of the game’s art direction. I really doubt that would’ve happened if they stuck to the DA2 redesign.

[@lcicada]

@@Balinux756 "The elves always had distinct facial features in all the games" someone needs to replay DA:O 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Dryltd]

It is funny that marketing departments constantly go after new audiences and just assume the original audience will stay. That's the foundation of any marketing backlash.

[@Shirou_Emiya380]

Made for "modern audiences" has never been successful.

[@lcicada]

look at bg3, clown

[@DeltaTango2024]

Yup

[@garycannon4644]

Wasn't baldurs gate three made for the modern audience?

[@DeltaTango2024]

@@garycannon4644 no

[@natthapat.k7094]

@@garycannon4644 No

[@Xalantor]

Them changing the title from the infinitely better Dreadwolf to "The" Veilguard and further cartoonifying the art style tells me everything I need to know about the game. Bioware has been a corpse for a while with all their former creative talent leaving. Time to lay them to rest.

[@THE16THPHANTOM]

mass effect: Andromeda, being buggy was least of its problem, those you can fix, but at the end of it all you still have a bad game. terrible writing, forgettable villain of the week story, which for a bioware game that is a doomed game if they cant even get the basics right.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

and plotholes everywhere, from the very beginning to the game

[@Vo0Do0o]

“Modern audiences” and the art style of the game is enough for me not to buy it. Absolutely not buying it under any circumstance.

[@sicariau6436]

imagine youre bioware and youve spent years making this, youve decided years ago crpgs are dead. then balders gate 3 drops. the regret must be suffocating.

[@Icipher353]

Most of the industry has convinced themselves that BG3 is an aberration and doesn't prove anything because the alternative would be having to admit that Larian has figured out a way of doing things better than anyone else.

[@j0nnyism]

Especially when they were considered the masters of the genre.

[@Nockblock]

Yeah, those millions of dollars they made off of action RPG‘s,real suffocating.

[@sicariau6436]

@@Nockblock like anthem and Andromeda?

[@Nockblock]

@@sicariau6436 Andromeda made millions of dollars so not sure how that disproves my point.

[@viperarum5538]

19:20 pls dont forget that Dragon Age was made in the spirit of their own Baldurs Gate 2 and they got completly wasted last year because of the success of their own IP in the hands of another studio and with a gameplay system (not only combat) they abhore and deliberatly ignored all the feedback from the community since DA2...and welp with how they streamlined and butched the series it doesnt look good imho

[@TheRealCaptainLavender]

BG is not Biowares IP. It's Wotc/Hasbros. They only ever had a licensee. They never owned any part of DnD. That's literally why they made Dragon Age. So they could have something they actually owned.

[@viperarum5538]

@@TheRealCaptainLavender good point then lets refrase: they got their asses handed to them by a different studio in the same franchise they made 2 iterations of and even based a whole series of and then they completly ignored player feddback and went away from the very gameplay system that was THE hit last year and is still played by 90k people every day

[@tupacbck6833]

they already did with focusing on wrong crowd

[@TheForever206]

Surely Bioware cant screw this up 3 times in a row.....🤔😅🤣

[@edubbz1987]

They can, and don't call me Shirley

[@staffanberg6747]

Dont forget they are working on new Mass Effect as well. Only Bioware product that i am intressted in but im sure they will fuck it up somehow anyway.

[@PutridPenguinPoots]

​@@staffanberg6747 if you hear them say anything akin to mass effect for modern audiences or current day just go ahead and cut your losses the game is going to be shit. Instantly you should know that instead of a compelling narrative it's just going to be the company ham fisting as much shit into the game as they can so it can go down a checklist during promotion Wrote that before he was kinda saying the same thing

[@Wolfdoggie]

@OtakuBenny2210 I miss Leslie Nielsen.

[@Otinashi]

Bioware today just isn't the same company that made some of the best RPGs of all time from the late 90s to early 2010s. It is what it is. I'll still probably pick up "the" Veilguard either on launch if reviews are good or on sale later if not, but I'm not holding out hope for anything special.

[@DeltaTango2024]

Too many blue haired liberal women work for them now

[@defenstrator4660]

They have already made some big mistakes. The trailer made that very clear.

[@onthaloose]

Andromeda wasn’t bad because of the frostbite engine. BioWare had been using the frostbite engine since before development started on MEA. Hell, inquisition launched on that engine and was great in comparison (and inquisition released 3 years prior) The reason it was bad/rough at release is because the team consisted of majority novices (Montreal team) while the veterans got pulled into anthem (Edmonton team)

[@viperarum5538]

and dont forget they just put the story of games 1-3 into Andromeda, hell they even reused complete assets from the previous games (e.g. when the allies sent reinforcements in the end fight - same assets were used in ME3 rush to the beacon)

[@GmTy]

Considering this, I think Andromeda did so fricking well. Novice team, multiple restarts, all new slate without pre-existing locations & tech, new alien races. Like look at all the things they managed and people complain about all Asari looking the same and tired faces… what about 95% of everything else?!

[@viperarum5538]

@@GmTy did we play the same game on release? o.O

[@majicalpandatech]

Always felt the game was a bit underrated. It’s buggy as hell but there is some good to the game. Shame its was left to rot with no dlc/sequels

[@77wolfblade]

As well as poor writing and dialogue.

[@chrgeorgeson]

The engine isn't the reason Andromeda failed. The real issue was that the game was scrapped, restarted, and thrown together in about 18 months before launch. Sure, using Frostbite was a mistake, but the management team completely dropped the ball. As a massive Mass Effect fan, Andromeda felt like it was made by people who had no understanding of the franchise, maybe just watched a KZbin summary of the original trilogy. The game didn't capture the essence of choice, the combat felt out of control and repetitive due to uninspired power-ups, and it only featured two intelligent alien species (and honestly, only one truly matters if you've played it). EA has its faults, but this disaster falls more on Bioware than EA.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

that's the thing, he didn't play it

[@theblackknight101]

Yeah.. you can only blame the engine so far.. at some point, some accountablity is needed

[@EmberQuill]

I thought it was Anthem that was scrapped, restarted, and absolutely directionless. Unless they made the exact same mistake twice, lol.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

@@EmberQuill Bold of you to Assume Bioware can't repeat the same mistake over and over and never learn anything from it

[@Bucketus.Lord.of.Buckets]

"It's their last chance" *players only have control over their character* Uh oh.

[@jjw9846]

I feel like that is the least of our concerns with this game.

[@Yarrdeen]

ive literally never controlled any other character in any other da game except mine own... this is irrelevant to me lmao...

[@Tomberculosis-q1i]

I was excited for this game after i finished Inquisition. Their recent history has abolished any faith i ever had in Bioware. Imma go play SWTOR now and cry.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

They've already made them though. 4 Party members down to 3, focus on making it more action-oriented, having a dodge. Origins is the best one because of the CRPG core. The TACTICS system that was practically NECESSARY on harder difficulties. (I mean, tbf, I BARELY had to tweak the Healer preset or whatever, but I DID have to interact with it a little) Also, the moment they went from DREADWOLF to Veilguard and made the name so much more forgettable? They're done. Christ, I bought basically ALL their games from KOTOR to Andromeda, skipping ONLY Anthem, and I even defended Andromeda as much as I could (which wasn't easy) and I'm not interested in buying this game. They keep going FURTHER AWAY from what I want. From the best game in the series. Hell, they did that with Andromeda, too. While a lot of people like that combat system, it's MY least favorite BY FAR. I don't want to jump around. Just give me my damn cover shooter and let me send Kasumi to teleport around lmao.

[@wanderingrock6756]

Xbox showed with Tango, that even if you have no flops you can still be shut down

[@TheDream6842]

After the end of the trespasser dlc of dragon age inquisition, I am definitly waiting for Veilguard to see how the story with the inquisitor and Solas will end.

[@EmmaSoyer72]

@@TheDream6842 Same here👍

[@Dead_Hitori]

Well the same writers for that are long gone

[@prodtetch]

@Dead_Hitori they quite literally are not. The character writers, for literally every character from Inquisition and Trespasser that are returning in Veilguard, are writing for the same characters in Veilguard.

[@viperarum5538]

well have fun recreating your inquisitor on top of your rook as nothing can be imported to DA4

[@prodtetch]

@@viperarum5538 You couldn't import your Hawke to Inquisition either, I don't see what the problem is.

[@Cthulhuzohavaitfseh]

Director of this game called him self "gendermanser". Dragon Age is cooked.

[@jeice452]

"Queerosexual gendermancer" and said the game was "inherently queer" ....

[@marklentz1095]

In a sense, BW just can't win. First, DAI comes out 3 years after Skyrim and it quite clearly altered the design in order to provide a similar experience (see also: the Hinterlands). And now DAV is coming out on the heels of BG3. Oof! That is two genre-defining games still immediate in gamers' attentions. That's a tall task. I hope they do it- love the world of Thedas.

[@theblackknight101]

Dragon age was not an action game series.. this not having tactical combat would be a huge let down.. sadly every game series that i genuinely like is losing their uniqueness and shifting towards a casual audience for mass appeal.. every AAA game seems so similar these days

[@TNTspaz]

People say when these previews are shown "It'll get better later" or "This is just early game gameplay". Acting like you can't just tell the direction the systems are heading out the gate.

[@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148]

Thats the same crap that they said about Starfield. Don't worry it will get good after the 50 hour mark, no if it doesn't grab me in the first hour then I'm not going to waste time playing it for 50 hours in the vain hope that it gets good.

[@docmacabre]

Their first mistake was the godawful re-design of demons and esp. the darkspawn. The graphics are inconsistent, and as such, the game looks strangely dated. It's missing textures, hair and faces are weirdly blurry, yet raindrops on clothing, for example, look hyper-realistic. The writing is full of tropes and clichés that are so old, they're tripping over their own beards (seriously... scaffolding!??). And then there is the "marketing"... And the art style. Also, why do elves look so human now? Their faces, their physique. How many dumb retcons can we expect? We already got the griffon chick bc he'll sell well as merch. Gotta put a cute animal sidekick in there for the ... kids? Who are they trying to appeal to? Certainly not the people who have been waiting 10 yrs for this. This alleged "modern audience"? Well, yeah, that doesn't seem to exist! Oh, and they removed around 47000 dislikes from the gameplay reveal. My dislike was among those that vanished. I can't see how this game could possibly be successful. I wish I could. I want to. But I can't.

[@jellybeans2707]

the simplification of gameplay elements is annoying I went a played origins like two years ago and the amount of builds and freedom you had to build your character were great but with this your only getting three abilities in a high fantasy rpg game.

[@Alexander-fl7ii]

Exactly! The last good dragon age was origins.

[@prodtetch]

3 activated abilities, an ultimate ability, runes, + a lot of abilities that used to be activated abilities like combat roll, fade step, twin daggers, shield bash, etc. are now integrated into the core kit of a class so you can focus on speccing into passive or sustained abilities. Also, as a rogue, you no longer have to choose between bow and dual daggers bc you can use both.

[@grafphal5103]

@@prodtetch "you no longer have to choose between bow and dual daggers bc you can use both." Take a guess what you could already do in DA: O.

[@prodtetch]

@@grafphal5103 Not at the same time. You could also spec into archery and dual daggers in Inquisition, but now you can have a bow and dual daggers equipped at the same time so that you can aim and shoot w/ the bow, but also attack with daggers.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

calling this a rpg game, aha

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

Bioware doesn't get to use "we were forced to use EA's cryoEngine" excuse when fans originally stated their worry for it, as it wasn't built for RPG style games, and that they were clearly being forced into the switch, and then Bioware came out and stated they WERE NOT FORCED into changing, and did of their OWN VOLITION. And no, The graphics are bad FOR a DA game. I don't care what anyone says. Go look at what some of these demons looked like in old games, to what they look like now. It's a travesty. I'll hold my official opinion on this game when they showcase "high level" combat, but I'm not expecting much at this point.

[@Hamburglar009]

Never forgetti, the devs (yes it was YEARS ago) said Dragon Age 4 will be like Anthem with dragons. I liked the gameplay of Anthem but it was half-baked and the big update it was supposed to get to make it a better game was cancelled. Also, why do the models (elves, qunari, darkspawn, ogre, demons) change so much between games??? I get that graphically they need to update models but they almost feel like very different creatures from game to game. I do not understand why the 4th game is changing the party of 4 formula to a party of 3. I think it’s a very bad choice and no justification will make sense. The fact that dragon age origins, 2, and inquisition all had parties of 4 including the player makes me seriously question the devs capability: what was the limitation they couldn’t overcome?

[@Braven-j7m]

looking like this could be their last game

[@sadmarinersfan8935]

It will definitely be a shame, even if they are basically just a name at this point but I unfortunately fully expect this to be their last game. They are lucky to even still be around at this point given how trigger electronic arts is it’s crazy that they have not been with them

[@missilecarrier]

The only way for them to survive was to replicate DA:O, not 2, not Inquisition, and definitely not this soulless corpo ass cartoon. they had a good run, the last stretch was quite unsightly but still a run nonetheless.

[@gamer-8955]

But what about Mass Effect? I would rather BioWare stay strong until we get the new Mass Effect game. I am quite excited for that

[@icescorpion6189]

@@missilecarrier Why wouldn't they focus more on replicating Inquisiton, their best selling Dragon Age game? You don't see franchises like Final Fantasy, Tomb Raider, or Resident Evil returning to their roots, do you?

[@missilecarrier]

​@@icescorpion6189 Game sales are determined by the reputation of previous entries and the scale of the market. The title with the highest sales may not necessarily be of the highest quality at all. (for example, RE6 sold significantly better than RE4) As for the names of franchises you've shown here's the reality. The current state of the FF franchise is, to put it bluntly, "dire as hell", the sales of 16 and the 7 remake, have been quite a disappointment according to their earning report, Tomb Rader had a full reboot, so they do not have roots to go back really (also it's dead) and lastly, the RE franchise has actually returned to its roots with 7, and the following success is not even up to discussion (RE2 remake is by far the most successful RE title btw).

[@hardatworktom2244]

BioWare can’t afford to make any mistakes. BioWare proceeds to make mistake, after mistake, after mistake. Veilguard will flop and flop bad. I’d be very surprised if BioWare survives this one, and the next Mass Effect is passed on to another studio

[@kensuter57]

Ik it’s just hope but man I love these games so much that it’ll kill me if it’s not at least ok. That’s all I want, an ok game with fun story or dialogue

[@Skaikrish]

Well going full Action RPG is pretty unwise in my opinion. A lot of Old-school RPG players were already upset about the kinda simplified Hybrid system DA:I had so making it even more Action based will probably break it for a lot of people. Also games like BG3, Persona 4, Pathfinder and pillars of eternity shows there is a big market for classic old-school RPGs with a complex and deep combat system In my opinion the combat system sounds frigging simple so far especially when you look at the stupid amount of variety and play style elden ring has in comparison. And yeah you could say but it's not a souls game! And of course you are obviously correct but both are at its core Action RPGs. Which brings us to the next thing. Dragon Age Veil guard will have to deal with tons of other games in the same genre. That means the game will go toe to toe with games like elden ring, assassins creed, god of war, ghost of tsushima and so on. And so far nothing I have seen gives me one good reason why the new DA will be better or at least comparable to those games. The only reason is "because it's dragon age". So the game stands and falls by its characters and narrative and after anthem and Andromeda well everyone knows how that went.

[@Predatorx47]

You're being disingenuous when it comes to the Helldivers 2 community. Saying "Oh they're boycotting because of a few nerfs" is incredibly reductive. It's like saying that Andromeda had a few problems. It's like saying "People are boycotting Suicide Squad because they're racist and sexist". People aren't angry about "a few nerfs" people are angry about Arrowhead constantly telling players that they're listening to their feedback while they do the opposite of what those very players have been begging for. Players are angry because bugs that have been in the game since day one still haven't been fixed. People are angry that the game's performance has dropped with every patch. People are angry about enemies being stealth buffed because Arrowhead's spaghetti code prevents them from changing anything without a slew of unintended changes. Arrowhead has not been able to deploy a single patch since day one without introducing at least one new, often major bug. If Arrowhead had LITERALLY ONE guy test their patches before launch they would at least catch the most egregious ones. Their patch for reducing spawns increased them. The Meridia missions were literally impossible to finish because it was bugged to hell and back. The Spear "fix" crashed the game. I used to play the game with two different squads of friends. As of last week, I was the last one to still be playing. And after I crashed three times trying to play one last match after the patch dropped, I uninstalled too. Arrowhead literally patched the fun out of their game, they managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[@MsRafaelRGO]

the franchise went from Grimdark fantasy to "sterile" fantasy

[@JamescMichel]

They killed Bianca in the announcement gameplay! I’m not buying it unless there’s justice for Bianca!

[@reignmans]

Bianca is gonna come back... but a lil bit changed as Bianco.

[@GmTy]

Without your contribution Bianca will never have a chance to get her justice.

[@nicolasferreiro4492]

I'd be more worried about Varric than justice for Bianca...

[@vergillives9890]

And Hawke probably dying potentially because they have a physical representation need to punish why Hawke

[@ignis2023]

@@JamescMichel I'm afraid for Varric more. That is a straight up death flag.

[@stefansibbes2440]

Mass Effect 5 will be the one that kills Bioware if it fails.

Who are we kidding. Old bioware is long gone. Ppl make the studio. Not name.

[@billyboy4801]

Given they made both Anthem and Andromeda without eating dirt, I'd say Bioware have a couple more 'last' chances.

[@ravakano]

It's 100% over. The cringe in that preview is unbelivable. Character and monster design is childish and I have zero hope for the story being good.

[@justaguyfromeurope]

Since you said in hindsight, at the beginning of this video, well... IN ACTUAL HINDSIGHT, the fact that they had to make Andromeda in the Frostbite engine was the LEAST of Andromeda's problems, after the horrible writing, the bad plot, the artstyle, the character design, the lighting system in the game world, the fact that the human characters were created here in Bucharest, by the local EA dev teams working on FIFA, not any actual BioWare subsidiary... AND MANY, MANY MORE. Long story short, what has been happening with BioWare is 90% BioWare's fault, not EA's.

[@williamedwards4151]

Bruh, Bioware doesn't deserve to be around. If the developers of Hi-Fi Rush are shit-canned, for making a *successful and beloved game*, then Bioware needs to hit the f*cking pavement too.

[@shiteyanyo1111]

Hearing Luke saying "slay" has knocked 3 years off my lifespan

[@chrisjohn85]

I’m not super confident in this new one, it will have to blow us all away. The first game made me replay it 4 times, the following two I only played once. Maybe I’m just aging out of modern gaming and every game trying to be Devil May Cry.

[@Swizz12]

The mistakes have already been made, years ago. Way too late now for anything except to watch what happens at its release. Bioware have become the poster child for developers who think they know better than the fans of Origins and don't listen AT ALL to their fans. They charge off in a completely different direction to the original Dragon Age Origins success story, chasing what they think will generate more money...................but when this title bombs - Dragon Age is finished as a series.

[@Icipher353]

Dragon Age Origins is my favourite game of all time, but I have little to no hope for Veilguard. All the people that made Origins are long gone from Bioware and it's clear that the current team have little interest (or ability) to make a real CRPG anymore.

[@orthopedix6202]

Never pre-order, he should know better than to push that. Waite a month after launch date, there is no FOMO and everything is online and digital.

[@Anthonyelmio2]

I love Dragon Age Origins and don't completely hate 2 and tolerate Dragon Age Inquisition Not buying this one, with what they have shown and what have the developers have been saying and pushing

[@therealMrA]

Funny you mention Andromeda because I was a huge Mass Effect fan (still am huge fan of the original trilogy minus the ME3 ending) and I balked at the concept of the series moving to a different galaxy entirely. It never needed that. Then Andromeda was lambasted when it came out and it wasn’t a surprise to me because the entire concept was flawed from the start. What I didn’t expect were the technical failings and the 💩 writing that are now hallmarks of a BioWare game. If I had bought Andromeda when it came out it would’ve tainted the amazing memories I have of Mass Effect as a series. To this day I haven’t played it, and I don’t intend to either. I know Dragon Age is different so I’m amused that it’s adopting the Mass Effect system of having indirect control at best over your fellow party members. Their reasoning for doing so is also stupid and has me thinking the characters in Veilguard are self-inserts for the developers. BioWare is so bad. It would be tragic but there isn’t a lack of quality games whose developers don’t treat me like an idiot, so I don’t really care. I don’t want BioWare to attempt another Mass Effect because I have absolutely no faith that it will be good or hold up to the original trilogy in any way.

[@RiskOfBaer]

What do you mean "they can't afford any mistakes"? We already know the game is a giant mistake, it's already over. Anybody who has seen the gameplay and heard them talk about the game knows it will suck.

[@ZCXYT]

In the past, when something was good and before influencers came about; a book, a game, a music album ... 'it', whatever it was, spoke for itself and was judged by the quality of the content. That was the past ... today, it is about manipulating the customers to gain high profits. That is where influencers come in. And there's two factions which are very important for companies and maybe a third one ... that third one is there to sow doubt between the other two ... that third faction is there to literally make the doubters buy the product. The first faction of influencers are the hypers to convince the easily manipulated to get the product and the second facrion are those who break the game like it is thrash, but this is also a tactic to make the game look better for those who are far more difficult to be overhauled. These 3 factions all form a triad and are without exception not to be thrusted ... none of them ... let the product speak for itself by letting the customers play demos once again and not the influencers.

[@mikeymacaque]

I feel like SWTOR is what saved BioWare from getting shut down.

[@MjollTheLioness-o4y]

Agree. I believe the money SWTOR was making as a MMO is what kept them afloat. I wouldn't be surprised if much of that money was put into other projects like Anthem while SWTOR players watched the content of the game continue to shrink. Now SWTOR players are lucky if they get 2 small updates a year, armors in the cartel market based on Disney's mid SW shows and main quests where the PC is no longer voiced. Seriously, one of the quests in the main storyline not too long ago had the player character sweeping floors and taking out the trash. I haven't played since. I am convinced the only reason most people still play it is for the original class stories. I know that's the only reason I'll ever pick it back up.

[@dspellcaster1027]

At this point, I have learned many things. The fact that Bioware "Tells" the game will be fun especially later and yet refuses to "Show" things later tells me alot. The interviews, while some sounds promising it's nothing we haven't heard before and met lies. Andromeda and Anthem have already demonstrated that they are willing to sell and cut off an incomplete project. Due to that I have my criticisms and skepticism I still withhold my verdict until the game releases. The world, lore and characters drew me in but due to constant changes to these very things has been nudging me away. It feels like a fanfic of the original idea. To me right now it's a half-year to 1 year later purchase.

[@Xalantor]

A very careful presentation of the game by the developers shows they know they have hot trash on their hands and are unwilling to show it. Just look at how the devs of Path of Exile 2 talk about their game. Every single interview oozes with their passion and well thought out reasoning why they change this or that in comparison to Path of Exile 1.

[@BigD-123abc]

BG3 set a new (technically old lol) standard for RPG's, there is no chance in hell that Veilguard will meet this standard...

[@dieyng]

I think, technically, Andromeda wasn't really a flop. It had good sales, it was just that the reaction by fans and critics were lukewarm. So they had a game that probably didn't earn a lot, but didn't lose them money and then Anthem which really dropped the ball on all levels.

[@agirlnamedmichael1670]

I'm a long-time fan of the Dragon Age series, and I was very excited for the fourth installment. Sadly, everything I've seen so far- each consecutive trailer and gameplay segment has dumped water all over the fires of my excitement. The final dousing occurred when I watched the gameplay of the prologue. They changed a significant character's appearance for no reason other than they were too lazy to show that he's aged other than by adding grey hair. The voice acting for the Neve character was absolutely abysmal- no charisma, no character, no emotion. They sounded bored. The environment is pretty enough but I'm not too forgiving when your villain is supposed to be profoundly powerful and you stop him by knocking over a statue. Are you joking? The hot garbage that was the DA cartoon doesn't help, nor did the shit trailer you mentioned. It looked like a low budget anime. I'm also not thrilled about what I've heard about the combat. It's like they took all the criticism of players and did the OPPOSITE of what people wanted. We wanted more spell and spell slots- nope. We apparently we now get even fewer than Inquisition. Same with non-magic combat. Bioware has been dumbing down the DA games in each consecutive game and fans are tired of it. I don't need Drago Age: Dummy Edition. I want complexity, variety, and choice. I'm incredibly skeptical.

[@stoatyweasel]

By the time it was old enough for the Steam Sale, Andromeda was a fun game.

[@Mnought]

They said the same thing about anthem and they're still here

[@TheKB27]

Starfield taught me you can’t trust reviews at all. “Starfield is so much! Better than oblivion!” Etc etc. only to play the game once begrudgingly and haven’t had a desire to pick up since then, which is almost a year now. Reviewers giving it 10/10 and 9/10 when it was a 6/10. Now need to wait and see what KZbinrs are saying. I hope the game is good but with all the behind the scenes drama it sounds like a complete mess held together with tape and glue.

[@chaptereight2639]

I'm skeptical for the same reasons Luke said--mainly the prior two flops. But I am excited/hopeful that they can deliver on the promises they've made about storytelling, companion mechanics, consequences, etc., because what they've described sounds great to me.

[@WybornD40]

to be fair, i never used the alternate character control system in this game - i always felt it was too clunky and never executed well. after playing bg3 i've been spoiled on that mechanic when returning to dragon age

[@samexoldx]

You cant even control your companions in this game but hey at least they have PRONOUNS.....It's already DOA. Bioware is done.

[@ericbmnt39]

It looks like it's going to be like Mass Effect with regards to companions in combat. Which is just fine for a lot of us 🤷‍♂️

[@sadmarinersfan8935]

It definitely shows they have their priorities straight lol before it was ever announced, I had the slightest bit of hope but the first trailer killed any. Hope I had left before they even started talking about how gutted the game is mechanic and system wise

[@icescorpion6189]

Yeah some people don't care about controlling companions. In RPG's I want to focus on playing MY character. Worked for Mass Effect and I don't see why it won't work here, especially since it's an ARPG.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Really. The game has pronouns in it so it's doomed? Grifters said the same thing about BG3 having trans body options and it was game of the year.

[@cosmancho2959]

​@@SuperPal-tr3go This ain't it chief. This won't win shit.

[@Bailonus]

I think the reasons Bioware hasn't been shut down was due to Swtor, and the company's reputation. SWTOR made Disney give EA exclusive rights to make Star Wars games for a decade. Being the only corporation allowed to make the biggest IP in the worlds' games is a huge potential profit, and as long as SWTOR was online Disney could not complain they weren't making Star Wars gaming content. Of course once that exclusivity deal ended SWTOR was moved to a minor company that exist to keep it running; so they lost that protection. Bioware is known for making the most popular story driven games of the 2000's and early 2010's. Those games take time to make and eventually EA was willing to give them the time they would, hopefully, need. The problem is as shown in those articles about the production of Inquisition, Andromeda, and Anthem. To try to make it short, *their Game Directors lack the vision as well as management & organization skills to make productive use of their development time.* So for years, writers, artist, and programmers would just be making random 'concepts' that could be in the game. Eventually, some executive comes in and goes, "hey its been X number of years, do you have that game for us?" Bioware panics, slap dashes everything together hoping "Bioware Magic" will make it all work out. Which means a lot of crunch time as despite having lets say 5-10 years they are really making the game in 1 1/2 years at best. It worked for Inquisition. The developers for Anthem didn't even know what they were making till they saw the trailer. And, that is what most likely happened for DreadWolf until the game director quit, they brought in a new one, and now are making Veilguard instead with a new story that was probably written only a year ago. However, this is their last chance. As it is the last of their old IP. They showed with Anthem they can't create a new one. Which is why they panicked when their trailer was so negatively received. As the executives probably are wondering, 'why is it even kept around if this is the best after 10 years of production?'

[@VictorDude98]

The sad thing is that the new majority of the Dragon Age audience are the ones who only played DAI or played DAI and disliked the rest. Their other favourite games are Sims 4 and Stardew Valley. The biggest threads on Twitter at the announcement is "I just hope we can mod away the combat again". They're just here for good looking characters and romances.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

so... visual novels lol

[@VictorDude98]

@@zhongliimpact6220 yes that is what a massive part of the DA fans want

[@MjollTheLioness-o4y]

I won't say I'll never play it but I'm just not interested as of now. I've played since Origins. I was hoping they would go back to that formula at least a little. They seem to have gone far in the opposite direction. I don't like the art style at all and I hate that I now can't control my companions. Oh, what I wouldn't give for a new DA game made like BG3. I may catch DAV a few years from now when all of the DLC comes out, especially if they plan on hiding the true ending in a DLC like they did with Trespasser. That way I can see some reviews, some gameplay playthroughs and get it on sale. I just don't have high expectations at this point and honestly feel like the series really isn't made for me any longer. Really looking forward to what Larian has in store for us though. In the end Bioware has a long row to hoe. Story-focused players are going to compare the game to BG3 and combat-focused players are going to compare it other action-focused games like Elden Ring.

[@Kristyybug]

This seems like EA had some doing with these flops... first forcing them to use an engine i wouldn't trust EA with an engine... THEN hiring single player devs for a live service... yea EA definitely had something to do with this which is crazy cause they cant even make their own games good.

[@aqlanimations4822]

The first DA O was a mature dark game. These new ones look for as you said Slay queens. So I wonder why people aren't playing them. I loved the first Da and from there it went down hill. I did like DA 2 and Inquisition was a beautiful boring game. It looked good, but started down a different path, not for me, but most MODERN games aren't. I like games that have a mature theme, not some 3 year old GEN Z feeling to them.

[@Tacitus_kilgore_1903]

I love dragon age and have no plans on buying this game... the direction looks just awful... the combat looks bad the characters look like fortnite characters and the writing I've heard is awful... I'll wait a couple years for it to be under 20 bucks

[@johndeighan2495]

Feel EXACTLY the same about the game. Haven't seen enough of the writing to judge yet, but I'm not filled with confidence. Will probably pick it up half-price in the Steam summer sale a couple of years down the line, if I have nothing better to play. Just not energized by what I've seen at all.

[@Bye3000]

I just want this to be good man.

[@gantorisdurran710]

Bioware have been awful for a lot longer than when Andromeda came out. They are lazy and arrogant devs.

[@vikram5491]

They've teased Mass Effect 4 as well.

[@G5_Edits]

This has to be good. If not we’ll never see the new ME.. I have face (..i mean faith) that this game will be good. And i hope im right

[@benfubbs2432]

blaming the Frostbite Engine was just a cover for their failure it would have been the same on Unreal or Unity.

[@ambrosiogiovanni6952]

The problem with Helldivers, is because the Devs don't know how to balance their game. So, every patch they kept nerfing weapons, sometimes (actually most times) were weapons that weren't even being used a lot or that actually broke the game. It ended up, with the stupid meta of taking the autocannon in basically every mission. That destroyed the balance in the game in such a way, that when the stupid devs decided to play their own game, they reverted back most of the nerfs. Basically that's the issue, the community on that game, knows what will happen with the nerf happy balance in a PVE game, it actually drove player count into the ground. So at this point, the dev team will really need to address balance in a more capable way, instead of just using the nerf hammer everywhere.

[@javiderivia4224]

No se cómo me salio este canal pero rápidamente me enganchó.

[@AvelierPlays]

Algoritmo

[@cameronpittman4554]

It was never going to top dragon age origins anyway

[@Bannonn_Digital]

I don't like turn-based combat. Even if everything else is good, if the gameplay is turn-based, I'm out. I haven't tried this DA installment yet. If it turns out to be truly bad, EA will definitely face a downfall. Because even if they release another game, people won't trust them anymore.

[@ricardotaut7498]

"95 percent of all gamers don't find that cool" Featuring: - Dragon Age The Veilguard - Saints Row Reboot - Suicide Squad - Forespoken - Concord - Flintlock - Fable - ...

[@videogamemovies7398]

A lot is being said about how absolutely amazing DATV is going to be. However, what was shown so far was mediocre - at best. We have seen graphics that were okay-ish for a 2024 AAA game, combat that had nothing to do with Dragon Age and looked borderline boring, a world-design that shows this game rather wants to be something else than it is (a futuristic Cyberpunk style game instead of Medieval fantasy), and, worst of all, writing and dialogues on a ME:Andromeda level. To me, that's more red flags than a parade in China would show.

[@lynnright666]

I will never forgive Bioware for Anthem....

[@jordick8427]

The biggest thing I don't like in the Veilguard is the combat. It's way too action heavy. Dragon Quest ain't tactical RPG anymore, it's action game with shallow RPG elements. But then again this franchise had already deviated so much from the Origins, that us Origins fans pretty much already knew that we'll never get another Dragon Age game like Origins again. I suspect that the game will do well though. This might appeal to the younger generation of gamers as their ADHD zoomer brains need that constant dopamine hit from constant action, because TikTok has ruined their brains.

[@cyberturkey77]

I don't think its their last shot. They still have Mass Effect 5 if done properly will be massive.

[@matthewlongo6404]

Its funny that you think current Bioware can make Mass Effect 5.

[@Antek_S]

In order to make ME5 they'll need money. If DA fails, nobodies giving them any.

[@Arcademan09]

If you think they'll actually make a good Mass Effect you're more delusional than Bioware

[@cyberturkey77]

@@matthewlongo6404 they hired 4 original trilogy developers including the lead for the writing. Also I follow Mike Gamble project lead of it and the guy is very passionate about the original trilogy of the game. I have optimism with a pinch of salt.

[@cyberturkey77]

@@Antek_S they've already started making it.

[@Sycophantichallenger]

Been a lifelong bioware fan. Been a huge dragon age fan. I own books, art books, wall art, a sick morrigan statue, etc... I just CANNOT with the art direction of their character design. Their approach to character design in DA:V is an active turnoff to me. I don't understand why, with all of the technological progress thats occured, they would go with this ridiculous, cartooney, disney-esque character design. It just makes it hard for me to take it seriously. But I've also had Mark Darrah tell me in response to some youtube comments that the Bioware team is NOT making this game for gamers such as myself. So, its highly unlikely I'll buy this at launch. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'll wait a few years until I can pick it up for 10 - 20 dollars. The Combat direction they've taken is also an active turnoff for me... There are more than enough ARPG's out there, Dragon age should not be in that crowd. Those are simply my opinions. I'm personally not excited.

[@wohargRadu]

Dragon Age fans are mostly RPG fans and DA Origins was an EXCELLENT RPG. Good world building, plenty of lore, good character design, interesting story. And now they show us a thing that looks like a button mashing, neon flashing action-combat game ???? Perhaps the trailer is misleading but I definitely won't buy it unless I hear from RPG fans that this is indeed a GOOD RPG game.