Black Conservatives Debate Black Liberals on American Politics (Extended Version)

[@VICE]

By popular demand, here's an extended version of the roundtable discussion we hosted between black conservatives and liberals. Check out some handy time codes of what was discussed below: 0:57 - What first comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump? 1:59 - "Drain the swap" and capitalism 3:28 - Who here voted for Donald Trump? 4:54 - What is your impression when you see a black person wearing a MAGA hat? 5:51 - Black conservatives talk about how they're treated in the black community 9:17 - Who here voted for Obama? 11:06 - Who was disappointed by Obama's presidency? 15:34 - Issues with the Trump presidency 16:28 - Why vote for Donald Trump? 19:55 - Disagreements on systems of oppression - welfare, taxes, etc 23:29 - Policies that Republicans and Democrats disagree on that help and hinder the black community 26:09 - Black wealth and reparations 29:24 - Black voters being synonymous with the Democratic party 32:26 - Student loans and college 35:22 - Should the black vote be courted? Watch the full-length documentary about The Young Black Conservatives of Trump's America -- kzbin.info/www/bejne/eojEnmx8iLepfas

[@gcornelius308]

VICE cmon. If you were serious about black politics youd come talk to #ADOS. These ppl here are just chatting and venting and this format leaves much to be desired.

[@HT.100]

Bring back frankie luntz

[@MusicWorldWonder]

@@gcornelius308 Please explain how you want VICE to talk to you and ADOS, but not black conservatives and liberals? Those people that you say are just chatting are everyday people who have to live in the real world of being attacked and mistreated just for being black, so their opinions and commentary matter too.

[@packerpf]

It wasn't at all by popular demand it's a false narrative; these are not fucking conservatives..these are rich kids who have been indoctrinated by mommy and daddy..seriously if you want a real liberal vs conservative debate you can create one, not hard to filter out the rich folk who aren't really conservative simply greedy. Conservatives want to conserve the constitution and the values of the country; not simply just hold onto their money and be rich.

[@BringFactsOrBackAwaySlow]

@Shaft Canyoudigit That's an awfully broad brush you're painting with.

[@wwzach169]

Would love to see black conservatives vs. white liberals

[@FutonJohn]

💯 white liberals might get exposed for being racist tho

[@MouthwashTyphoon]

That would be hilarious

[@Mike_E_DeShaman]

I would love to see people in sound proof phone booths so they cant talk over one another

[@angiegarcia6354]

I wish VICE would do that but they'd exposed themselves even more!

[@ians489]

White liberal: you guys are so oppressed Black conservatives: no were not White liberals: Yes you are! Black people are oppressed. Black conservatives: you think were oppressed just cause were black🤔 seems kinda racist😂

[@bwharris2002]

Dude, props to the host. He was super unbiased throughout and the questions were great. I wish the presidential debates were like that.

[@planetvance]

True. Refreshing from Vice.

[@qcwestside4112]

True.

[@greased4493]

True

[@yukonfarnsworth1688]

You aint never lied

[@erwinhernandez8659]

Yeah not like the Latino one the host was biased af

[@hitwill]

Whatever your side, you've gotta give credit to Vice for airing both sides. I'm tired of echo chambers in most news/ social sites.

[@zion9073]

hitwill this!!

[@PixelDoodles]

Tbh the conservatives seemed like they had more time to talk and always talked over the others

[@awesomecooly123]

@@PixelDoodles Because most of the liberals (besides the gay dude top right) just said a few words and couldn't conclude and point or say anything worth while.

[@anonymousanonymous-cl8nr]

true

[@thomasyoung5680]

Just had mass killings in Texas and Ohio so some here still are delusional enough to think this president is good for this country he is a racist and used these types of comments to view his base and some of you can sit in a youtube forum and argue the greatness of DONALD TRUMP THIS IS CRAZY 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯😩😩😫😩😩😩😩😡😡😡👮🏾‍♂️

[@FanageAB]

I would love to see a follow-up video with each of these participants, same video style/format. To see if their views since 2019 to now have changed, remain the same, etc.

[@ellakersey1214]

That's exactly what I said.

[@butterfly_decal]

I agree.

[@eseraymond4314]

The black girl with braids is a class act moron

[@madant22]

I mistakenly thought this was 2024. Idk it was a 2020 debate.

[@micadus4723]

As a 24 year old poly science black male who leans more conservative id love that

[@Frostshokula]

If you’re only tolerant when ppl agree with you, then you aren’t really tolerant at all.

[@dylantrevorlinville1340]

If you bash anyone of any Race because they aren't for your specific Party and independently think for themselves you are literally *The Oppressor, The Racist, and The Supremacist* no better than the KKK Had to extend it to be completely honest about the truth

[@Prostopyotr]

Factual

[@thek1n678]

Lets be honest this video the conservatives won but last video the liberals won so I guess it’s a tied series now😂

[@thek1n678]

But I like how at the end they all agreed on something.... something people in politics need to do more often.

[@jpkclutch7780]

💯

[@typsy3852]

I’d like to see this group brought back every 5-10 years and see how their political beliefs grow and change throughout the years.

[@will9579]

That would be interesting

[@roolenoir3183]

That’s very logical.

[@shannap.lawnerd8107]

💯🎯👏🏽👏🏽

[@alexj1530]

There is always a rule, constantly being confirmed… until 18, if you are not a leftist, you don’t have a heart. After 18… you don’t have a brain…

[@apmanda]

That would be great!

[@izzyc4079]

Lady in overalls: “We’re not going there. We’re not going there.” The whole point of this video is to go there what the heck

[@njdevils3009]

Izzy C Democrats are always allowed to make ridiculous remarks and not defend their own views, Republicans are always forced to defend their views. This is especially true throughout the educational system which breeds that type of “we’re not going there” and “we’re not even going to have that discussion” shutdown on free speech that Democrats employ

[@rolfelim7587]

Leftist always say that when they don't have an argument to defend their point

[@Ltpwnface]

She’s a professional at getting triggered, just look at her facial expressions.

[@Ltpwnface]

Pope Pope She just doesn’t want her feelings hurt. I don’t see how you can have a productive discussion if you take everything to heart. 🤷‍♂️

[@Ltpwnface]

Pope Pope You’re just discrediting everything I say bc you think I’m trying to “dunk on liberals”. You can use your own comments as an example of what I mean. I hope you have a great day. :)

[@Morselconfections2015]

Would love to see these same folks back again after all that’s happened.

[@hopecrishom5836]

Exactly

[@savageunitato100]

Wdym?

[@_example]

The host of this was just absolutely ridiculously good at being a host of this.

[@melissamarcoe1681]

right!!! I love how he didn’t take sides and didn’t get so emotionally involved

[@tineez320]

Melissa Marcoe Proper Debate program’s in schools would fix this.

[@slyfox4564]

Yeah the video wasn't bias at all

[@joeyglover3429]

Seriously. The latinx one...not so much

[@imaaveragegamer9609]

Joey Glover that one was horrible

[@joselira9342]

The girl with the overalls and blonde hair ain’t doing nothing but making faces

[@krystingrant6292]

💯🤣

[@regigigachad6356]

So true. She kinda seem dumb tbh. 😂

[@sobersith1849]

She represents most ignorant young leftists, Makes faces and has nothing to retort with when she is presented with a valid argument.

[@ThaCorporate]

she trash, brought no substance

[@doomcriticalzx6554]

Bambo Sunny you’re generalizing like shit boiiii

[@PFJung]

I love that the extended interview has a million more views than the short one. People want depth - not click bait!

[@ClarkSarita200]

Left2Center EXACTLY

[@daaaark]

Left2Center FACTS; well said brotha

[@vickycelestine1794]

IT IS SO SAD THAT THESE FEW YOUNG FREE BLACKS DID NOT LEARN ANYTHING IN HISTORY,WHAT A WASTE 😭😭 TAKE SOME HISTORY CLASSES INSTEAD OF DAY DREAMING IN COLLEGE😴😴😴

[@slydEvil35]

The moderator did an awesome job. It’s not easy to mediate conversations between that many people with that many opposing viewpoints that are argued from an emotional standpoint. It could have easily just turned into a shouting match with nothing getting done but he directed the flow so well and also knew when it was time to move on.

[@Sternertime]

This is what internet journalism is supposed to produce.

[@negloblaxon7616]

"White" owned corporations speaking for so-called "African Americans". You would.

[@maxdeborde6772]

@@negloblaxon7616 what

[@thacoolest13]

@@negloblaxon7616 "so-called African Americans?"

[@helloman3676]

Bunch of gay people talking about gays issue...whats new...NEXT

[@ashersmith7666]

Hi Negli Blaxon, are a rich white liberal?

[@KiRa-fy6uq]

Black conservatives vs white liberals Let's see it Vice

[@mauve9266]

Now that would be interesting conversation 🤔

[@FBI-yd6co]

Majority of blacks are liberal, I would say half half

[@hellohunter8583]

KZbin would remove it lmao

[@penelopehighlander7379]

God I can only imagine 😂😂😂

[@444_gd]

OMG PLEASE

[@jeffreygordon2298]

This. This right here. They may not agree, but they are engaged and actually talking to each other. If this country has any hope at all, we must have more of this. A lot more.

[@mikearrera8672]

If more people would just sit down and talk instead of playing trench warfare, we could get somewhere. We need more of this.

[@Tamaranth404]

I agree completely! It makes me so happy that there are so many comments from the last week or so, because it means other people are finding this at a time when it's so, so necessary.

[@sloanefrances1189]

A LOT MORE

[@alwaysdrunk5461]

I feel like the liberal blacks would‘ve snapped if the black conservative would‘ve been white.

[@aliciaferdinandfields729]

Agreed!

[@zonidolazer551]

This video should be updated, please and thank you

[@noahe2362]

The interviewer was great. He wasn’t biased and he let everyone speak and give their thoughts, we need more like him

[@Burago2k]

good luck lol, id find more diamonds than you people like him lol

[@calumgibson8974]

You say that, I noticed he let the liberals speak over the conservatives quite often. And right near the end the woman was making a point and then he shut her up and then let the liberal talk

[@asia3815]

@@calumgibson8974 i think ur lying now. he wasnt biased stfu

[@dr.aabamamsphd1385]

Well, not everybody. I felt so bad for the guy in the front row on the left. He acted like he had so much to say, but was to polite to raise his voice and shout anyone down. I'd really like to hear his story.

[@travisbathory468]

He let people talk over each other, that was my only issue with him.

[@Thejakepipkin]

Veteran dude has the clearest skin I've ever seen in my life

[@oobydoobytooby4430]

jacob pipkin why because hes actually right??

[@Airman297]

True.

[@chefjoeyc]

Right smooth asf

[@prophetblood1]

@@oobydoobytooby4430 i uh.... wtf you're obsessed with that shit dude.

[@goead]

rcandminilover Wtf is wrong with your mind?

[@evilashxero]

I'll say this, the interviewer did a great job.

[@melanieanne5285]

He did for sure

[@MP-ue7ol]

He really did. I always love to see discussions where the interviewer only intervenes when the discussion dies down or goes to far off topic.

[@GnarlyBolt]

Yes he did. He seems like a mature guy.

[@Slm99]

I don't know most of the video was two or three people shouting at each other.

[@AMuffler]

Indeed. I would not be able to do that. He is so unbiased its insane.

[@32NinerBravo]

Kudos to all of these folks for respectful discussion and sharing their experiences. We need more of this.

[@ilikefriedwaffles96]

Can we just talk about how great the moderator was in this whole discussion. So calm and composed on the reactions

[@GarrettRSV4]

I feel that was what made this video great, I was kinda skeptical going into this because it's a Vice thing, and they haven't necessarily been Pro-Trump, but the way this whole session was conducted was great and I loved every minute of it.

[@nuance8530]

I wish he would have reined in those 3 talkative conservatives that kept monopolizing the time and interjecting in the meager time the liberals used.

[@subtleleaf1269]

@@nuance8530 I think that he tried to a little bit but I think he didn't completely cut off anyone because he didn't want to come off as biased. So many kudos to him

[@berdellfleming5074]

Can't imagine Blacks being so Right Leaning!

[@kaitlynkilts9016]

This guy needed to moderate the joe vs trump debate. He did amazing

[@davidquintanilla9330]

Truuu he really did

[@Angry5Man]

Yup. He was calm, he NEVER took a side nor did he come anywhere close to it. My only critique Is he could have been a bit more agressive with keeping the talking over to a minimum, but as someone who doesn’t know anything about that, that was beautiful

[@nikkibush9097]

Really TRUE

[@outlawjones3957]

100% agree. He treaded the dangerous political and social waters extremely well.

[@facetheboss1754]

FACTS!!!

[@eraldmurati7697]

Ok but can we give props to the moderator in this debate? He did an excellent job staying neutral in this video, I’m much more satisfied with his behavior with BOTH sides than the moderator in the Latino/Latina video!

[@emmy7562]

Erald Murati exactly! The Latina was so biased to the libs and let the conservatives get cut off by them too

[@user-ro3qu3bx9f]

NO TRUMP NO KKK NO FASCIST USA!!!!!

[@ColinBurkeMusic]

Erald Murati I’m totally with you good observation!

[@ray-dave]

I completely agree, the prior hosts bias was overwhelmingly apparent

[@ebowden1168]

True I hate vice, but this was a good moderator.

[@jedbrady4711]

you should bring this same group back now to discuss the upcoming election! It would be very interesting to see if their views have changed or stayed the same after 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden.

[@UnclePhil1112]

I am genuinely surprised to see something like this come from Vice. Edit: I guess everyone else is too

[@eundoparkmusic]

Seriously!

[@gaijin_kings7108]

Because they are finally noticing that conservatives can be entertaining and educational when proving liberals wrong. And we become the rising minority

[@gaijin_kings7108]

@RCP Pilot what do u mean they can't 😂😂 they just proved them wrong the whole time in every conversation. U need to rewatch that and we obviously are the minority. When u go outside how many trump supporters to u see in ur neighborhood. Not that many and nobody cares about what's really going on. They only care about their feelings and what they hear from friends or social media. So that's the majority for you their. Ignorant anti trump supporters who judge based by false provado. So yah were obviously the minority

[@foolishkiwi4546]

@RCP Pilot ' ' . Sorry I just noticed all that punctuation you forgot back at the house and wanted to bring it to you before it got lost.

[@Squishydotcom]

UnclePhilLawl keep up the good work vice !

[@MaxstonWright]

“Stop playing victim and play victor” agreed

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

Amen!!!

[@aaronpeck7926]

Best line of the whole conversation

[@Poetic_Justice1962]

Child talk.

[@aaronpeck7926]

@@Poetic_Justice1962 how

[@yangvideolibrary4116]

Try the Yang Playlist Challenge. Watch my playlists without joining Yang Gang. Most of you won't even try, and those of you who do, will fail.

[@LynnSalafia]

You should have the same round table with the same individuals before the 2024 election. That would be an eye opener for post pandemic conversation.

[@farisabuain6832]

The reporter here did an extremely good job being an unbiased moderator.

[@Small_child_punter]

To be fair, the video functioned better if he let the black voters bicker amongst themselves.

[@robertmagill6005]

It was surprising considering the video was put out by Vice.

[@raymondoverton7717]

Best moderator ever he should be the debate moderator in 2024.

[@MaggotAddict21]

FOR WHITE EUROPEANS ONLY: Watch Europa: The Last Battle and test your cognitive dissonance.

[@marcuslarwa9098]

@@robertmagill6005 oh yea same here

[@rustyrober368]

THEY GAVE US WHAT WE ASKED FOR. KUDOS

[@rustyrober368]

monique bedford lol I wanted to use the claps but I was on my laptop

[@elias_xp95]

In fairness, we shouldn't have had to ask. It's very suspect when a big media company edits a debate. Each sentence is important.

[@RetrogradeBeats]

stfu

[@KanoTunes]

a lot of people wanted the whole conversation unedited. is that what this is?

[@brettmeans6993]

No they didn't. We asked for the raw video, unedited. They gave us 20 more highly edited minutes of what was probably a two hour conversation.

[@hoppej]

Can we bring these 10 back and have another conversation? Would love to see where they are at now 5 years later.

[@armouredup]

I was just thinking a , "Where are they now?" episode is due. 😊 I've kept up with Miss Bevelyn. The Biden administration did her dirty.

[@Nesguy92]

Was thinking the same thing

[@Arguewityamama]

@@armouredupwhat did they do to her? I remember she was in the vicinity during Jan 6

[@armouredup]

@@Arguewityamama She went to federal prison. I think she received 3 yrs. All for protesting in front of planned parenth00d. There is a video of her just before she turned herself in.

[@katey624]

Same!!! It would be amazing!!!

[@Ginger_Spicy_Candor]

This was fascinating. I love panels that show Black people are capable of critically thinking in DIFFERENT directions and that we are NOT a monolith and that's part of the difficulty with the collective experience or the collective mobilization people wish we would do. We have to learn to be unified in disagreement for a single cause if we want to see all Blacks win, and that's the conversation that we forget to have when we are too busy pointing fingers with the "why do you think like that as a black person" mindset when we literally are NOT a monolith.

[@ratedRallstar1]

This needs to be redone immediately with the same people. I wonder how their opinions have changed since then. Vice if you read this redo this right now.

[@samseder]

Agreed

[@ladie27d]

Yes please

[@dreadpirateshup663]

Very much so!

[@FrenchysPlaysTV]

I think they'd probably all think the same way.

[@samseder]

@@FrenchysPlaysTV fundamentally sure but I'd like to see their discourse now that we're post-election. I think it would be interesting to hear their answers to questions pertaining to election results, if voter/election fraud was effecting black areas, what a Biden presidency might look like for black communities, etc.

[@roromad9603]

the interviewer needs to be on a larger platform. he kept neutral and helped move the conversation. true professionalism.

[@yautjacetanu]

The interviewer was amazing. Maybe he should have been stronger at holding back some of the interruptions but it's hard because those were the most passionate bits. I have a low view of vice but this was amazing

[@richardbolas]

roro mad also had some nice waves lmao

[@alphamoonman]

One hell of an unbiased middleman keeping the peace. Absolute unit

[@evan9759]

It’s sad that we now have to point out proper journalism nowadays because it’s so rare 😒

[@mlst3rg]

he needs to break off and start his own show.

[@gordonconlogue5686]

I like the moderator. Hes was truly neutral.

[@BRENENHARRIS]

Definitely. Unlike the Hispanic / Latino debate. Ugh, so FRUSTRATING watching the narrator NOT be neutral. I hated that video

[@sparcx86channel42]

thats good he let people talk

[@ianquyck9834]

It’s rare to see such neutrality in debates like this nowadays. Props to the moderator

[@MiroslawHorbal]

Oh I dunno. He let the conservatives speak. And those views might hurt some peoples feelings. Feelings are real. So those words must be violence. Therefore, the moderator just allowed violence by letting the conservatives speak.

[@joeldiaz141]

@@MiroslawHorbal he let both sides speak. That's the point.

[@MountainGoddess314]

Watching this again 5 years later, is interesting. There is so many more Black Conservatives now, than ever & I am so proud & happy to see it...

[@mmsharif007]

One thing I will say, don’t mix emotions with politics. Politicians will play with your emotions to get your votes. Polictics should be looked at as to serve the betterment of our country.

[@damonteforney8076]

Amen to that! I agree!

[@thekingsson1757]

That's what I am trying to tell black people my family, Democrats sell an emotional message to them every dam year, I liked trump because he was a straight talker like my pops. I don't have to like you to do business with you, Politics is business

[@milo730]

@@thekingsson1757 Trump and the GOP use emotions all the time are u kidding? LOL. The MAGA cult is all about hatred and fear. Fear of the dems taking away their rights and guns, hatred of immigrants and the dems, ect. Just to name a couple examples.. Not to mention Trump lied over 30,000 times during his presidency. Voting for someone solely because you like the way they speak is so stupid. I hope u reevaluate your vote and look more into their actual policies and values.

[@connorfinnegan4183]

Absolutely emotions don’t bring anything to your poont

[@ripztubig4457]

@@thekingsson1757 Trump played on the fear and anger of the republican party. He was the biggest player on emotion.

[@neosnow9009]

I like how they were slowly finding common ground as the video went on. It shows the benefits of having discussions instead of bullying each other over controversy.

[@killercaos123]

Both sides bully. They just do it in different ways.

[@alanpage4075]

Funny you should say that, I cut this video off halfway through because they were constantly talking past each other.

[@Psykroids]

Amen. We need to compromise to progress.

[@Kegyetleneper]

it wasn't really a discussion, 3 of them just screamed everytime they did not agree

[@Psykroids]

@@Kegyetleneper You have to admit it is still admirable to those who are open to still try to have a conversation.

[@nathans5347]

THIS type of dialogue can save journalism in the United States and could save this country from going down the pits. Fair, representative dialogue will expose bad ideas and elevate good ones!

[@ctina2572]

You shoulda saw the first ridiculous edited video they showed

[@nathans5347]

@@ctina2572 I don't doubt it was heavily edited. It was obvious that whole parts were cut out of this one. That is bad. But it's still leagues ahead of what I see on the news.

[@th3frogman]

@@ctina2572 Where do I find that?

[@LoganKohn]

Absolutely, well said

[@andrewdunlap3919]

I appreciate this panel the most. Talk about everything but know that answers come from understanding.

[@who_cares2247]

He was a really good interviewer. He asked the questions clearly, let them answer and discuss those answers, calmed them down when it got too heated, and stayed silent for they can talk. He was so good

[@mochiisntbad6762]

Agreed I was quite surprised that this even happened.

[@Mike-no9zf]

Yeah he is great. What he wants is to create conversation and discussion, no edit and all that bs. Unlike other interviewers who ask tricky questions and try to trap their interviewees to make headline. They are the worst

[@josephdevore8143]

What you going to do if you get sick and you can't pay your insurance Miss I make all the money

[@frakafrocka]

i could not tell at all whether the interviewer was left or right. well done interviewer!!! thank you.

[@wendyjohnson4618]

Aren't you oppressed? You are African & Gay what a combo. You must really catch hell.

[@mayelinesantana]

I like the host he kept a really unbiased attitude all throughout the interview. Props to him. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@caseyshaw7995]

I agree. Viceland is very left leaning

[@jessicarener6543]

Agreed! I'm glad Vice didnt censor this and make sure this didnt reach the public

[@travismarshall3004]

Agreed. Under appreciated part of this vid

[@thetonycam3944]

Rumor says he was tortured in the vice dungeons for not being biased towards the democrats.

[@GeetarAdam]

Agreed. I'm sure he has his own opinions, but they were never obvious and he never let them determine the course of the conversation. Solid job!

[@tnunez8765]

Bringing this group together now, would be interesting.

[@seekingexcellence3236]

When you look at yourself as a victim, you are already holding yourself back.

[@stephanyhdz92]

Real talk

[@syclonez1579]

Completely true

[@tuxedosteve9556]

They don’t believe in themselves

[@mssburr]

Yas!!

[@seekingexcellence3236]

Chad A lad that and it's an excuse not to push yourself to obtain what you want.

[@generationallyadjacent4283]

guy on the top left and guy on the top right should have a separate debate.

[@baptiste9623]

Or gay sex

[@potxtoe]

Top left guy would win i think

[@ouiiners]

Baptiste omg

[@user-yi8hj3qd6q]

Baptiste BRUH

[@StoneBurgerrr]

“Need to stop playing victim and play vicTOR” love that line

[@kirstenovergaard7752]

can someone please tell me what time thats at

[@scottyxscxrs5483]

/thread

[@nobilesnovushomo58]

You call me a victim... maybe I am. I DO know if I don’t rise from my own merits, I’ll never be a victor in life.

[@SomeLad12]

Kirsten Overgaard some time after 25:30

[@dransom5821]

BUT it's okay when Whites play victim all day on FOX right?

[@J98P02]

I just happened to stumble upon this video, but I’m so happy I did. As a white conservative female, this discussion was incredibly enlightening to me, and I think it was enlightening to the members of this panel, as well. In my opinion, the panelists were well-selected in that they were intelligent and represented a variety of perspectives/priorities, and the host asked great questions. I thought they all gave thought-provoking responses to the questions asked, with the exception of the responses focused on reparations. The U.S. government cannot afford the time and effort to even determine who would qualify for reparation payments and in what amounts, much less afford the actual payments themselves.

[@TafTabTah]

"Stop being a victim and be a victor" I love that line

[@patricklincoln5942]

It is a good line. Even as a democrat, I can appreciate it.

[@timothyappleseed2986]

The victim is the one who looks outside himself for a solution instead of looking within.

[@АнгелГосподинов-з4е]

Ben Shapiro once sed "its noting to do whit race and everything to do whit culture "

[@asgarddemasia3560]

Mann i know that quote was strong

[@bnyc2000]

of course u do.

[@peace7lovr]

I could leave a political comment but I’d rather point out that everyone is wearing black boots

[@planetvance]

Are you sure? I couldn't see the footwear of the four in the back.

[@peace7lovr]

planetvance of those seen, bro

[@therealding221]

Lol I noticed that also. Weird coincidence.

[@jackgunn1480]

And they finished the thing by agreeing that they all want the same thing, they all want boots.

[@mr.classified6167]

Boots are the best

[@pranjalkumar4635]

Kudos to the moderator for an effective display of what non-partisan journalism should look like.

[@neomcdoom]

NissanGTR_PK Yeah

[@michaeloconnell4523]

Yeah. He's pretty good.

[@kbkb2219]

Agreed

[@brianhutcherson4545]

I was actually really impressed with him too. No shit, kinda gives you a glimmer of hope

[@devonm5037]

Amazing job on his part.

[@brendaselzer9353]

Thank you for doing this.... As a white conservative from KY this was eye opening. .

[@ingridappiah1739]

They need to redo the latino segment but with a whole new group of ppl and an unbiased moderator like the one in this video. He also asked better questions period. This video was way better overall. I liked what everyone has to say and the way they said it, and at the end they still respected each other. Props to the black community.

[@er297553]

Ingrid Roldan Triviño I totally agree.. the Latino video was poorly set up. I doubt Vice will re-due it. 😒

[@shaunwhelan17]

Not props to the black community. Props to the people in this video.

[@YahikoLey89]

Dude, it was so obvious it was painful to watch. Even worse, at one point you saw it in their faces, they realized they had been set up >-

[@philswiftismygod1451]

true the moderator was shit and they should have gotten one like the one here. I came here to see a good debate compared to the Latino one. In this one, they didn't target either side.

[@hugoalcantar7236]

El panal de latinos no eran los latinos que en realidad ocupan dar opiniones. Estoy de acuerdo contigo

[@ADAMJWAITE]

Gotta give Vice props for this reporting. This is how political discussions should be presented. Allow both sides to present their arguments and allow the viewer to decide for themselves where they stand. Well done Vice!

[@crystalt9196]

I totally 👍 agree

[@gorgecunth1581]

Thought the same, was pleasantly surprised.

[@Law19157]

100%

[@ShortZaps]

"Why do we always assuming black people are broke" BOOM! Mic drop!

[@stonekold10x]

That was one of.my.favorite quotes

[@spidergoose891]

Because most are lazy

[@bluekirb9360]

Due to the high rates of poverty in the communities that is why now i'm not saying that there always broke im just stating facts that they are high in poverty

[@christianthomas2564]

Chris Dishneau excuse me thats far from true your ignorance shows

[@lonerstance1530]

CT Action live nah we are

[@ajjoy7995]

Awesome!!! We need MORE of this!!!

[@Edainboy]

You should bring this group back, and see if their opinion has changed

[@hse6144]

Yeah, I bet the democrat is now a full blown antifa arsonist.

[@GiveMEsome7474]

They now realize how stupidly incompetent Trump is regardless if you’re on the right or left

[@marcflaherty6905]

H Se No... i doubt that

[@GiveMEsome7474]

I’m sure after these most recent events, they now see how unfit this clown is in the White House.

[@saraipualani1465]

@@GiveMEsome7474 How is trump incompetent ? Because of police brutality? that has nothing to do with him??? hello?!?!?! not everything has to be his fault. blame the racist cops, blame systematic racism, blame things that actually CAUSE these things

[@SNOK1986]

I'd hire the gay guy top left and the conservative lady in a heart beat.

[@elanan9411]

TWINSSSS

[@cazador3863]

I’d hire all the conservatives

[@ThaCorporate]

all day long

[@nachiketn8032]

I'd hire who works sincerely without bringing their political beliefs to work .

[@kamakiri700]

i was thinking exactly the same, especially the gay guy, he is really impressive

[@abigails4139]

To be fair, the guy on the top left corner is a GREAT representative for the conservative side, and the guy on the top right corner is a GREAT representative for the liberal side. They are both intelligent and well aware of what they're speaking of, there has to be a video of just them two.

[@1969wallflower]

Agreed!

[@negloblaxon7616]

LGBT>"Black"

[@ramyfili1434]

Pretty much agreed. The right guy had a bit more of a socialist leaning.

[@proskateboy]

It would be the two gays showing up with the best debate skills

[@jod5986]

Abigail S413 yea but the right conservative gay guy was better

[@richardabalos3917]

That was some outstanding back and forth without the b******* a name calling and screaming insulting someone's face Good job young people.

[@srslystop]

VICE, we are all so proud of your team for finally displaying both sides of the table without bias views - something that other media outlets can’t do. Whether you’re conservative or liberal, all sides need to be listened to. Kudos, VICE.

[@jacobhartwell8211]

srslystop yeah, finally the right move by Vice.

[@sarahm9723]

I agree. I couldn't believe that they actually presented both sides. Nearly always it's only the leftist side which is presented positively.

[@nicolekatelyn]

I despise VICE immensely because of their political bias in reporting. This however made me eat my words. Very impressed that both sides were LEGIT shown and one side wasn't cut up to make another look better or worse.

[@ilovebrandnewcarpets]

Great comment!

[@seancoakley9640]

I agree, but Vice is usually DISGUSTINGLY biased.

[@nikolagold3886]

“We need to stop play victim and start being victors.” Preach.

[@bvggamer3707]

And that includes confronting victimizers and demanding economic balance.

[@bronwenable]

@@bvggamer3707 Spoken like a victim. Breaking free of the hive mind is a victory.

[@jasonmartinez7667]

YESSSS

[@bvggamer3707]

@@bronwenable victims don't demand or confront. Your words are spoken like a true victimizer or token.

[@lordmongo511]

@S S you wrote too much dude.

[@actionfigure4005]

Why isn't this guy the main media source? He put personal beliefs aside and just interviewed. Good for you man.

[@brianvillage9649]

action figure for real. That’s some epic journalism.

[@Marti1951]

I’m loving this! Good job on this debate!❤

[@MrBig8baller]

That moderator is so good at controlling the Scope of the conversation. Very impressive.

[@ojberrettaberretta5314]

true hes not biased or doesnt let hes bias show during the convo unlike the latinos one sheesh that one is terrible biased af

[@playportalapp]

wow the host suppressing himself from talking about his personal opinions, this guys actually good.

[@LibertyJefferson]

This interview is EXTREMELY insightful into the individualist vs collectivist mindset.

[@imanilige8183]

Honestly, and it was nice to see more of an individualist view point. I would have more morerdate speakers on issues because it was a very loud speaker of the echo each side comes from with few meeting in the middle or thoughful reflection

[@imanilige8183]

@@jzolghadr what do you mean?

[@TrueNorthPatriot]

Give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish for himself.

[@CH-rt8qw]

@@TrueNorthPatriot vs taking the fish and lying about it

[@johnhodgdon2434]

I can agree with that statement, it is wild, and it makes you wonder what causes that to develop in a person, is it nature or nurture, can we mold one or another in our children, or is it determined at birth, they definitely both have their advantages and disadvantages, if you are an individualist, you may be so into helping yourself you lack empathy or the ability to help or care to help others, but you can take responsibility for yourself and will most likely be more successful, on the other hand if you are a collectivist, than you lack the ability for any individual thought, which is dangerous because you follow the group, even if its over a cliff, however you definitely have safety in numbers, existential for sure, food for thought.

[@kenkeim2487]

Wonderful group of people. There are so many topics there, but I love the open conversation of all side of the political spectrum. Well done!

[@slyrixz8147]

Lets do Black conservatives vs White liberals

[@davidf9222]

CNN " Hold my beer " - Lets do white conservatives vs black liberals.

[@xonrob9575]

@Cole S we don’t know wtf kamala is lmao

[@awsomeguy1278]

Obviously blacks win that war! Liberals are uneducated or hateful!

[@xonrob9575]

@@awsomeguy1278 honestly, liberals are super racist towards black conservatives. They can’t possibly understand why any minority would support Trump since they have the responsibility to “save” them but instead just socially ostracize them for it.... it’s almost like black people aren’t allowed to make their own decisions. Huh. Weird.

[@VDont]

@@xonrob9575 seems kinda... wait for it... racist 😱😱😱

[@ConnerSully]

Good on vice for showing both sides to an argument. This is what a healthy society is built on - civil discourse. We need to get away from one sided media reporting (on both sides) and bring back the public forum! It's like a family talking about their issues together. We should start seeing our country as a family because we are all living in the same one!

[@spacecowboy1438]

Try telling a BLM hate mob that Conner. I agree with you but those people openly calling for the fall of America probably won't.

[@fashionforwardmom]

Agreed with the healthy society being based on showing both sides but in politics it is never 2 sides and it is never a full discussion when it is only one race there are many sides and many races. What would be nice is to discuss politics as a whole instead of being racist and only letting one race put their opinion in. The title to this video says it all "Black Conservatives Debate Black Liberals " thsi is a racist video.

[@jimborghini2761]

@@spacecowboy1438 Dude said Trump got rich from big Pharma. He's a fucking real estate mogul.

[@anwjuice]

There is only once race Human race

[@anwjuice]

@@jimborghini2761 and honestly he inherited his wealth and anyone could make money off land in nyc

[@magicpears9006]

The girl in the overall's neck must hurt after shaking her head the entire time but also not sharing any of her points of why they are wrong and why she disagrees with them.

[@blackfang0815]

The cognitive dissonance is so real with her.

[@onealr]

Well she doesn't control editing. I only bring that up because I watched a similar video with a KZbinr and he received the same criticism. A video on his channel he explained he doesn't control editing for the other channel and they didn't include the majority of his takes. IDK if that happened to her though, but it could happen.

[@jonahcrosby1108]

It's sad because so many black liberals are the same way. They seem to absolutely hate Trump, but can't explain why. Very disappointing.

[@minimushrom]

@@jonahcrosby1108 Because Trump is an egomaniac, a pathological liar, a conman, a disgrace to the presidency who thinks he can run a country like he runs one of his companies.

[@theburningtankman9411]

@@onealr they might of cut her takes for some reasons like she was too much of an extremist and advocated for the death of all white people (not what she said just could be an extremist view)

[@dorydisney4158]

WOW! I wish you had a TV show. I love seeing the different views.

[@wesleyhempoli5548]

The black conservatives must be professional actors because, according to grandpa biden, this is impossible outside of a vacuum.

[@AAA-ps7tg]

Exactly tbh Bernie sanders seems better than Biden

[@stephanlasley5781]

AAA I thought the same but after a bit of research. The dementia patient is better than the American Stalin.

[@chuffchuff347]

I just gotta say how honorable it is that the creators of this debate are genuinely unbiased in questions and responses. Hands down how a political channel should be run.

[@likeablecloud2454]

i think it's funny how that dude said lgbt rights are being stripped away and got shut down immediately by a gay person. and yeah the military is don't ask don't tell if they don't ask you don't tell. you being a lesbian or you being gay don't matter and being a transgender is considered a medical condition (gender dysphoria) so it's the same as being a crippled or something. it's not that their rights are being stripped it's just that you don't have a right to healthcare... if so i wouldn't be half a million in dept after getting covid. You don't have a right to healthcare so the treatment of HIV is not a RIGHT and joining the military you are to not have a medical condition. you would lose the ability to skip drafts with medical conditions if they allow transgenders in the military... literally.

[@chrispellicci6587]

Some just want to cry victim hood mentality. I understand equally but be careful about how you demand it. Your not entitled if you want to be treated equally.

[@chrispellicci6587]

@@likeablecloud2454 How can a trans person came be trained in the military when you have to GO wherever they tell you in a moment notice. No wait I get MY hormones shots in 30 minutes...Ah No !

[@geelan5954]

Yes, I’d love to hear a lot more of their perspectives and opinions. It would be great if they had regular a podcast or an outlet like this where I can listen to black conservatives and black liberals debate/discuss topics and etc regularly.

[@chrispellicci6587]

@@YourBiggestHaterM8 look at it as a whole

[@flyfast77]

The moderator is absolutely doing a great job ...far less biased than the msm

[@trailerwager8850]

MS-NPC

[@rantranger1527]

@@trailerwager8850 Trailer wager DESTROYS Msm with FACTS AND REMOTE EXPLOSIVES

[@trailerwager8850]

@@rantranger1527 💥🤘💥

[@blaquentgruppe6547]

Give up this MsM ,TEDIOUS & BORING

[@viccrown8188]

Right, that was super surprising from Vice

[@asanchez3232]

Awesome discussion you put together. Well done @VICE

[@seanyoung3864]

This comment section is a hell of a lot more civil than I thought it would be! Very nice to see!

[@blakeoboyle3451]

Well yeah, this isn't CNN or Fox

[@elizabethbrady7339]

Amen

[@bretday7828]

It was a surprise but a welcome one at that

[@Nolksher]

Americans aren’t as divided as media wants us to think

[@WrenFairX]

@@Nolksher Americans aren’t as divided as media WANTS us to be

[@icetanker8062]

damn, vice making a video about both sides talking to each other, and its very minimally edited? Nice job!

[@mattvalentine6123]

True true

[@elliot3938]

that girl with the shaved head and overalls had nothing to say except "oh no! you did not go there!" and "are you serious?!" if you're lucky you might have caught her making some faces.

[@johnrankin7135]

'lucky'

[@aaronfrank9649]

A real example of “ hand waving”.

[@MD_ENTERTAINMENT]

Even though I share some conservative views, I find most black conservative to be selfish, me me me, "I did this, and you can also do the same." The thing is, from an educational point of view, we are not equal and it really doesn't matter how hard some people try, there are barriers such as severe dyslexia that can stop you which others will never understand. In my opinion, it is unfair to always compare yourself and your achievements to others from your community, because just like you, maybe they are trying to change their lives but getting stopped by invisible barriers. For me, I love to think more about us, and I believe in loving each other, looking after each other, and just general kindness. I would never want to walk on anyone to get to my destination. I am a Christian man, and I really dislike the fact that black conservatives will try to convince you that it is wrong to vote for a party that supports abortion rights, because it's goes against our religious views, but at the same time they are happy to vote for a guy who is clearly not religious, a guy who is using Christianity for votes, a guy who committed adultery, bullied and make fun of the physically handicapped, and bragged about grabbing women by their private. That's not the kind of person I would vote for.

[@Chichibu01]

The moderator is so cool. You can point out who independent thinkers are among these people.

[@ziruini5071]

yeah, guy on the top right

[@bobbob-uf3qz]

Yep

[@wilko9346]

Zi Ruini I don’t always agree with what he says but I’m glad that he backs a lot of what he says with statistics you can tell he’s very intelligent. This made me realise I don’t agree with any of them

[@kaigelewis9782]

Zi Ruini hes not an independent thinker

[@Neloch4]

@@kaigelewis9782 what would make him an independent thinker?

[@mawortman72]

This program was created in 2019. I would like to see vice bring the same people back and see if their ideas have changed or if they are still the same if not more conservative or liberal.

[@PsycheVFX]

Yeah that would be pretty cool. I think that would lean too far towards the Conservative POV though because the Biden presidency has honestly been a shitshow. The debate in the video leaned further left to me but the lady in the middle and the guy in the top right steamrolled over the left

[@Mghama]

+

[@Ogami79]

@@PsycheVFX could you give a example of the “steamrolling” please

[@PsycheVFX]

@@Ogami79 the fact that they dominated the debate?

[@Ogami79]

@@PsycheVFX just because they completed more statements or made more of their points doesn't mean they were correct. But I do agree, the liberals should have schooled them, instead they shook their heads or cringed at their ignorance or short sightedness

[@Blessed_Sound]

Black lady with the bob in the back don’t know why she’s there . Someone get there Aunty from up there

[@cicada7788]

Toon She she got her check then dipped💀

[@reinal7896]

Toon She Girl they’re all black. That is not a helpful description 😂🙂

[@Lebontempviendra]

She's hot

[@kyleighwhite1409]

Toon She she’s cute and nice

[@Blessed_Sound]

Lily Smith the only black lady who is in the back, with a bob.🤷🏽‍♀️

[@FredlocksAsher2012]

Well done sir?. Nice reporting precise and to the point

[@fenrirskeane2420]

This is the first VICE video that hasn't made me want to throw my phone at the wall. Good job VICE.

[@tonyt_mp4744]

sensitive much?

[@PusoSkateCo]

maybe Disney sent some editors over

[@vn3138]

Tony T Vlogs vice is so terrible lmao is what he meant

[@tonyt_mp4744]

@@vn3138 sure

[@fenrirskeane2420]

Not sensitive at all. Just getting sick of people trying to sell lies as truth. And the arrogant disregard for stability and strength in exchange for political and moral posturing is both reckless and dangerous.

[@infidel24]

The entire group deserves praise for having a civil conversation. Too many time's people on opposite sides of the political isle can't even talk to each other!

[@TarwTarw]

*See girl in overalls on the front row*

[@chamboyette853]

And the people on the left for giving sustantive arguments.How often do you see that in MSM?

[@HoxFeesh]

It worked because everyone was black. 😁

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

@@TarwTarw huh? What about the girl in the very middle literally recreated the triggly puff meme and went crazy when people brought up things sue couldnt understand. Along with the dude all the way to the left just instantly barking whenever someone said something tjat goes against his world. Your selective memory shows a lot.

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

@@chamboyette853 (then maybe don't watch mainstream media)

[@RHFarms]

when the man said "we need to stop playing victim and start playing victor" that was deep and applies to ALL people not just blacks...

[@ericelliott9086]

Know history black people have been exceling against impossible odds for hundreds of years while your ancestors where given hand outs or privilege of being white that gave you an edge over more qualified blacks go check your history before you talk about victimization

[@launcherx2044]

@@ericelliott9086 how do you know he's white? also quit trying to start a fight out of nothing

[@ericelliott9086]

What's so deep about it, all I said black people achieving against the odds the whole time in America, to say stop playing victimization is white people and black conservative aka new sellouts talking points trying to minimize problems of white surpremancy in the country if anyone needs to stop is white people

[@cankhovich1796]

history of the Irish

[@cankhovich1796]

educate yourself

[@L.RenéeCreates]

We should be having these conversations MUCH more often! (The CROSS-TALKING is counterproductive 🤐 We have 2 Ears so that we can LISTEN TWICE as much as we speak. LET'S LISTEN TO ONEANOTHER MORE, PLEASE!) OVERALL this a healthily NECESSARY CONVERSATION we should constantly be assessing!❤Thanks for sharing this.

[@reinerbraun898]

I loved the moderator of this conversation. He handled his role very nicely.

[@jacobbiron9139]

Gonna say this, watching this after Biden said if Black people don’t vote for him, then they ain’t black, it just kind of destroys the whole idea that Democrats are not racist. Like people are racist, if they are in there soul. It doesn’t matter what you are, if ur racist ur gonna be racist Edit: They got to remake this today. Rewatching it is super interesting, and with today’s POV could be interesting

[@RiceBenderson]

In the context of the show it was a clearly a cringe worthy joke not a racist remark. Charlemagne the God, (the person who interviewed) him didn’t have any sort of reaction that an African American would if they’d just heard a racist utterance. It was a dumb thing to say that has been taken out of context by some sources in the media. But I don’t believe that it was racist. Although I do agree that the unwarranted stigma of black people on the right is absurd and shows an unwillingness for important conversations in the black community

[@jacobbiron9139]

Rice Benderson I agree that it was taken out of context but it still doesn’t excuse that some democrats are racist. I’ve rewatched the clip of Biden and there’s a hint of sarcasm but as political figure, you still can’t say that

[@RiceBenderson]

I do agree that there’s racism on both sides of the aisle, but you can’t ignore that over the course of the last forty years republicans have often been the ones to say and do things that could be described as racist. Again not to say that some democrats aren’t guilty, but it seems to more prevalent among Republicans

[@jacknation1141]

thanks for that

[@jacknation1141]

@@RiceBenderson If that was just a stupid joke taken out of context, than how is Donald Trump saying to inject disinfectant into your body any different?

[@JuniorRodigan]

Bring them all back ... now that it's 6 months after the lockdowns began ... and 4 months after the George Floyd protests ..... @vice

[@paulleewnnacrckr]

There would probably be more conservatives if what you’re expecting is for them to turn into liberals.

[@codyprice4592]

@@paulleewnnacrckr especially the business owners...

[@andreshipp6212]

@@codyprice4592 I lady in black is all about the money!!

[@codyprice4592]

@@andreshipp6212 all the power to her! Small businesses most of the time dont work out. Hope hers made it through the lockdown

[@danstory4286]

That's a really good idea.

[@flippgoofman1868]

Interesting back-and-forth. Very engaging.

[@corduroyjenkins]

the liberal woman in the back row literally said nothing the entire time

[@gpipeline]

She should not have been there. A waste of valuable space.

[@chucknorrisjr829]

The conservative big woman in the front who would not stop talking is a product of social welfare.

[@MMOfreakOUT1]

I think it is fine she was there.. It shows that being a democrat is the default as a black person even if you don't know what they stand for. It just showed that they are conservatives cuz they understand politics.

[@mistynights2834]

@@chucknorrisjr829 how? She got off of welfare lol

[@chucknorrisjr829]

@@mistynights2834 a sign that the social safety net works 👍🏼

[@abnergonzalez1740]

Everyone shuts up when the dude on the top left in the suit talks 😂

[@nolookpass7079]

he's smart af. cool dude, even though i'm not gay. i would bring him around to pick up chicks.

[@elizabethx1818]

Well lowkey also because whenever George or the female on the very right spoke, the conservative in the middle in black and the guy in the suit would always interrupt. If you noticed, when the girl in the middle in black was speaking about her past/relations with felony and drug selling, no one interrupted her... for like 3 minutes. Same with the suit individual.

[@aarontheruler]

the reason for that was because he was composed and presented himself well. literally everything he spoke about could be debunked. a lot of people can feign intelligence and knowledge

[@michaeldautry]

What is the name of the ignorant dumb ass in the top left corner?

[@magnitude2810]

@@aarontheruler okay so debunk it😐 I’m pretty sure you’re completely wrong but go ahead and debunk it since you’re so sure.

[@scav61]

I have to say they are all debating n conversing so politely, this is what we need more of, no disrespecting or name calling!

[@Noahfencee]

yall should do black conservative women debate white liberal women 🤨

[@SlickNickBA]

Would love to see that.

[@Funnydoc]

White women would just start crying running out the room and make a TikTok crying saying “like omg literally trump supporters are so racist “

[@evanajohnson]

YESSSSS!!!!

[@keithg5187]

😂😂😂

[@sarahlevine2397]

@@Funnydoc your lack of perspective is astounding. You're upset about generalizations towards trump supporters while contradicting yourself by making a generalization about white liberal women.

[@RhinoG5sneakerreview]

Shoutout the interviewer doing a great job showing multiple views keep up the good work!

[@Beginningtopeak]

He does a really good job of staying out of it

[@dopeblacktherapist]

I agree! Although, I wonder if there was a way that he could have made it easier for some others to speak amid the dominant voices.

[@beastlydevil777]

Black conservatives vs. White Liberals

[@juniorbrown3525]

Now that's just not fair hahah

[@ivanarellano6858]

junior brown he’s speaking the truth

[@juniorbrown3525]

@@ivanarellano6858 do u not get sarcasm lol

[@ivanarellano6858]

junior brown guess I’m just retarded

[@juniorbrown3525]

@@ivanarellano6858 hahha u algud bro dw

[@lexmeditates]

Can we do an update video with these folks! 🙏🏾

[@ally6233]

The girl in the overalls saying “don’t even go there” when the conservative gay guy brings up that black people have the ability to move up... so explain why. She didn’t say anything. Didn’t even open the floor to conversation. With that mindset I guess not.