Liberal Latinos Debate Conservative Latinos on Immigration, Trump, and Racial Identity (Part 1/2)

Liberal and conservative members of the Latinx community duke it out at the VICE Miami office.
What does it mean to be Latinx? Who voted for Trump, and why? How are his policies affecting the community? What should be done about the crisis at the border, should there be a wall? What does the American Dream look like for Latinx individuals?
01:32 Who here voted for Trump? Why?
02:27 Trump’s treatment of women and his "grab ‘em by the p***y" comment
06:01 Draining the Swamp: is Trump seen as "outside" of the political establishment?
06:53 What is the biggest misconception about members of the Latinx community who support Trump?
08:44 Is voting for Trump voting against the Latinx community?
10:22 Trump’s effect on the Latinx community
12:57 Are Donald Trump’s comments racist? Is Trump a racist?
14:41 Discrimination against indigenous peoples
15:49 How does everyone identify racially?
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[@VICE]

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[@NuaSOU]

Si pero por favor no nos llamen LatinX otra vez.

[@aramiscolon9235]

I 😢

[@blakers3194]

Putting a biased person in charge of a “non-biased” debate is the Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

[@TinfoilHatWearer]

Fuck ya.

[@JustoFNG]

Exactly. What’s the point of this if the interviewer is biased? Vice is fucking stupid.

[@Iburn247]

Yup

[@nasyahasabumutima7212]

which is exactly why moderates on both sides are so important. like how are you going to moderate a conversation if you’re not a moderate?????

[@BF0202]

@BRITTANY BOND how was it biased?

[@camcane1]

Bruh,why they sitting behind each other? Have them sit in a circle or half circle so that they can actually look at one another without breaking a neck...

[@valeriemacias6285]

A comment we can agree on no matter our political beliefs 😂

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

True..

[@nickdubbin2636]

To stop physical violence

[@cxc3060]

They’re taking to a mediator....the way you would in a debate

[@nickdubbin2636]

Also it limits eye contact. Lessens aggressive responses, same as dogs.

[@JorgeCanovas]

“Racism happens to me everyday” as a mulatto skin Latin, this is a horrible way to live life. Hopefully that lady on the lower right can find peace with herself.

[@RanFranklin]

She said when she gets dressed there is racism hahaa damn she hates herself its reallllllllly sad to have your whole life revolved around your skin color. How the hell is getting dressed racist? That lady is a complete nut bag.

[@pandarockets5328]

I’m Mexican but consider myself just as an American. 42 years old, grew up in the “hood” in a predominantly Latin and black community. I’ve never experienced racism towards myself and it’s so odd to hear that coming from Latinos. I don’t know their situations so I will not speak for those. I just know that when I’m out in public, I’ve always conducted myself in a respectful manner and it seemed to have worked well in my life.

[@yaritzafuentes2544]

⁠​⁠@@pandarockets5328es I was in the same situation, I lived in "the hood" that consisted of a predominately Latino and black community. I moved very early on to the suburbs. I am a 1st gen brown Mexican American and I moved to a predominantly white town, and I can say first hand ive always delt with racism. Being that I'm only 16 dealing with these issues everyday, they definitely affected my mental health. Latinos deal with racism everyday no matter where you live, but unfortunately like how they explained in this episode people don't target the white skinned latinos. You're very lucky to not have felt with these issues but so you are aware these actions are still very much happening to people all around the world and we as Latinos need to come together and stand against racism, for us and the poc community. Awareness will be the first step to a better society.

[@GypsyInTheHood]

Yeah. Messed up in the head.

[@Kalinka589]

Lol what a crock of bull! You deal with racism everyday?! So everyday someone makes a comment,glares at you, etc? The victim mentality is staggering these days! 😂

[@davidpalacios5670]

This debate was already being moderately biased before it even started , "members of the Latinx Community" 00:28

[@floccinaucinihilipilificationn]

Fr lmfao

[@spikefivefivefive]

"The biggest voting block" in the US? Even if she counted illegals her claim would be false.

[@igorrrr45247]

It's vice...

[@Hallucinogenitals]

You know who never says “Latinx”?......actual Latinos and Latinas.

[@fridamoreno4224]

No one says it because that shit is unpronounceable 😅

[@isabellopez-xv4hp]

I was a little confused at "latinx" I thought it was some kind of organization lol

[@PabloCruise91]

Imagine going to abuela’s house and saying Latinx

[@truthsofalostkid2301]

Right lmfaoo like no one actually says that 😂🤦‍♀️

[@jacobkraus7279]

ya only fucking gringos say latinx and it annoys the shit outta me. they completely shit on our language in an attempt to be "PC".

[@johncarroll1270]

This mediator was horrible. The "black conservatives/liberals" host was much better.

[@quorb]

straight up copy and pasted this comment but yeah it’s true😂

[@esmeraldahernandez1018]

@@quorb right!🤣

[@Felipe-wh7dp]

Hell yea it was

[@Brave_As_A_Mother]

It’s best when the host plays devil’s advocate and you can’t tell which side they’re on. My history teacher was like this and the thoughts his method invoked were always impactful

[@Brave_As_A_Mother]

You don’t have to have a SSN to get welfare. I worked in Dept of public social services and now work in dept of health services. This guy sounds dumb

[@shidposting4011]

“I don’t carry myself like that because I’m not a groupy” “So you think women are asking to get raped?” Holy straw-man , Batman!

[@killer_piranha99x4]

yeah no kidding goddamn

[@killer_piranha99x4]

@@ml6719 Me or Shid?

[@TOXIN714]

Yeah that shouldn't happen but that's not what they talked about

[@igorrrr45247]

Hahaha

[@AlexCastro1]

liberal logic

[@mummler]

I would love it if you interviewed all of these people now, now that things are so different. See who has or who has not changed there stance/ opinion.

[@ravenwillow6079]

"When you think everything is racist, it dilutes real racism" No truer words have been sooken 👏👏

[@gentrybrown2032]

whats real racism? lol... that guy deserved a scowl...

[@AdamMM-hq3gv]

@@gentrybrown2032 Viewing an entire race as inferior to another or one's own.

[@fenryblenk5541]

but then wasn't able to actually define racism...

[@joggyjames]

nonsense, you see how he started stuttering and couldn't even define racism.

[@ravenwillow6079]

@@joggyjames wait... do really need someone to define racism to you? WE ALL should know the definition of it and if you dont? Then you really need to crawl back under that rock you came out of...my statement still stands. .no truer words have been spoken!!!

[@thenishiz599]

That girl just said she experiences racism every single day all day long...even when she's getting dressed! What the hell does that mean!?

[@dee_irawan]

Maybe she's racist toward herself? That's why she sees racism everywhere.

[@blueravenchick]

@@dee_irawan She has a bad attitude is probably why why people treat her badly???

[@MegMelise]

I JUST said that! What is she talking about

[@MegMelise]

@@blueravenchick yeah, has to be

[@cecilroberts1971]

Shes not being literal. She means she deals with racism from all sides....being a black and Latina woman. She was definitely dismissive but I think its because she wanted to get her point across with no interruptions. And did not want others talking over her. As such her sarcasm wasn't needed and she came off snarky!

[@seekingtruth6822]

"Again my family's been here for before 1492 we've been here for millions of years" That is a long time. 🤔

[@narlywaves2371]

😂😂😂😭😭 Math isnt a lot of people's strong point.

[@Vimukta]

@@narlywaves2371 seems comprehension ain't yours 🤡. he meant its been quite a while.

[@ninahndz5880]

@@Vimukta then that's what should have been said, not 'millions' of years

[@Vimukta]

@@ninahndz5880 that is the problem. you guys are so fixating on words rather than where its coming from. empathy goes a long way.

[@andrewsmith9980]

the millions years comment comes down to your religious belief. If you believe in Pangea then millions of years is possible.

[@Ilayshaa]

The lady in the orange’s attitude is overshadowing her point. This is why they think we’re so angry bc we don’t know how to address people respectfully without all of the attitude

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

just feeding into the stereotype fr

[@JustGotSomeIdeas]

You’d think when everyone thinks one thing about you, you’d try you’re very best to not do that thing.

[@B_addie]

@@sm1purplmurderedme583it’s crazy how every one has an attitude at one point yet y’all only chose one person to be the example of an angry stereotype

[@Scar-jg4bn]

​@@B_addie she was by far the most disrespectful and literally said she deals with racism getting dressed, lmao.

[@Mycenaea]

Latinos in the video: we hate the term "latinx". VICE: Let's call them members of the latinx community in the intro!

[@based256]

The media is repulsive

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

I hate the media. Burn them all!

[@awedsy3195]

also call them "conservative"

[@WrongNumber76]

As a “””””latinx””””” i hate the damn latinx word

[@onlyclubberlang3927]

The phrase "Latin x" is so white liberal I don't think there is a proper way to pronounce "Latin x" in Spanish. LIBERALS are a bunch of silly goose

[@usycyakbmbk3709]

*This moderator should not be interjecting and responding to others like she does. Her job is to listen and ask questions, not refute/support the speakers*

[@xxSup3rMarioxx]

Absolutely

[@lifewitholga_]

Right! She's a moderator its in her title

[@ChulsZFF]

Vice does this though. Of the videos I've watched are biased. They don't have a true moderator.

[@ESUSAMEX]

She is the daughter of Jorge Ramos who works for Univision. She also worked for Clinton's failed campaign against Trump. She's as corrupt as her bastard father.

[@OrdieBoomBoom87]

What do you expect? It's not like vice is unbiased. It's very clear where they stand.

[@Humanofplanetearth]

WE NEED A PART 2

[@purplemoonshower]

Would be great to do a follow-up on all of these characters to see if they still hold the same views and opinions to this day

[@selenaodonnell5415]

The top right lady, Linda Catalina, has the same views. She’s on social media and does a podcast called ‘mostly peaceful Latinas’

[@cookiemonster0956]

"I experience racism everyday..." "Ok where do you experience tha....." "Excuse me, can I finish please? Thanks.... I eat, sleep, and live with racism" "Ok but where tho" "Please stop interrupting me, I'll get to that" Never gets to it.

[@winlea78]

jeremycookmusic I know right? I’m black and don’t experience that. You’d think she’s living in the Jim Crow south

[@arcguardian]

It's very telling of where their mind is and isn't. No one in that room addressed that, that's on the moderator ultimately, after all the others tried to call her out.

[@dmkirk6685]

She also said getting dressed. Maybe she should kick out her room mate if they are treating her with such disdain! It could just also be her attitude, she talked down to others while her body language and words were disrespectful! Sad really!

[@jhdjhd2641]

The Screaming Introvert exactly

[@kikodicaffe4187]

She was so annoying....such a diva air...

[@deadpoolrp]

"If they say no, you have no right to touch them." Exactly. They didn't say no.

[@eddierodriguez3472]

deadpoolrp And yet, she implies that it is okay for her to put her “Tetas” on a man & rub on him but the opposite is wrong! WTF! Double standards much!

[@johnetanpitaluga7785]

The heavy girl went completely off topic. I'm like are you listening.

[@googlyeyedcat]

They didn't say yes either.

[@deadpoolrp]

@@googlyeyedcat affirmative consent is a relatively new thing. It used to be that folks could actually have spontaneous, organic romantic relationships. "No means no" was the rule. If you don't like something or don't want to do something, you say no.

[@jmsparger4339]

Princess MooMoo in the pink circus tent just mad cause ain't no one grabbin in her part of the world.. 🤣 😭-"nobody wants to play with me"

[@Mars-kk8ch]

The woman in orange clearly doesn't experience racism everyday and if she does, she's one of those that tries hard to be offended by every little thing.

[@Vicky-by2hq]

Her demeanor is very aggressive. Of course people are going to gravitate away from her. it’s not the color of her skin, it’s her personality

[@cecilequeen3117]

IKR, lately some people feel racism only by the fact that their skin I colored, I don't care how you looks, I care about respect, freedom, justice and goo values

[@Fe_lii]

“So let’s all attack the Latinos that voted for Trump” - basically the moderator

[@vidowatcher91]

"Racism is a part of my every day life" "How" "LET ME FINISH. Racism is a part of my every day life and that's why it is a part of my every day life"

[@jok7010]

The least educated people in the room are Trump supporters.

[@Mr._Moderate]

@Jason Karl you're too myopic and simplistic 💁‍♂️

[@julianwilliams4554]

@@jok7010 how

[@deadislander0167]

Jo K god, are you stupid?? the liberals couldn’t put up one good point

[@Mr._Moderate]

@Jason Karl "... Views everything through a lense" now you know why they say they are marginalized. It's no accident that she is also the darkest one of the group. She's probably been through hell.

[@joshua_J]

The woman on the bottom right is absolutely so self entitled it's crazy.

[@poowawatv6178]

she could be our next president, these personalities get too far from comfort, idc what side theyre on its dangerous

[@Lost-mb1gj]

Which one?

[@timthrnton4837]

@@Lost-mb1gj did you watch the video...? obviously the one on far right.

[@monsterwatchtruecrime]

She is the type of woman that isn’t actually Latino but decided to identify that way to tell her opinion

[@nandotrt8737]

@@Lost-mb1gj I think the black latina. She was really condescending and it annoyed the crap out of me.

[@matinazadeh6870]

Respectful discussion is the key to finding the truth

[@NoFutureZine]

"I have to deal with racism every second of every day" "Can you expand on that" "Yes I deal with racism every second of every day" ....

[@NoFutureZine]

I mean they might be right, they might be wrong. They are not proving anything by not providing evidence. They are just repeating a vague statement.

[@joshuafrescas5899]

Its easy to dismiss for you guys because it isn’t something you’ve ever had to deal with. You don’t know what its like for cops to assume your guilty until you can prove that your innocent, you don’t know what it’s like to be a scapegoat for a white dudes problems, and whats worse is you don’t try to understand. I’ve tried explaining these issues before but I get dismissed anyways. No matter how much I try to make people like you understand, you refuse to because you don’t want to acknowledge that there is a problem.

[@ghostfjdgcsusvsgsj]

@@joshuafrescas5899 you need to stop whining and grow up! Life isn't all about emotions

[@joshuafrescas5899]

Yo Otame, these aren’t emotions I’m afraid. What I laid out for you was an idea of how marginalized people live in his country. And you just proved my point because you don’t bother trying to understand. Great job there pendejo.

[@ghostfjdgcsusvsgsj]

@@joshuafrescas5899 I think you don't bother to stop looking at yourself as the victim.

[@CarmenPerez-pe8lr]

That's unfair why you put 6 liberals against 3 conservatives?

[@lizziemartin6113]

They did that because Liberals are numbers people. They can't hold up their end of the convo because they are so wrong. So they need a mob.

[@AlecWyld]

To balance out the scale. :P

[@rondelmoore7130]

All 6 of them aren't liberals.

[@OurLadyLaLa]

They’re in New York City talking to minorities...they probably couldn’t find more conservatives

[@jkmarblejk7445]

Lo or none that wanted to be on this stupid show.

[@punklover99]

As an American Mexican(2nd Gen American born to Mexican parents) i hate the term latinx, it's not a real word I didn't vote for Trump but i agreed with more of his policies than Biden or Clinton. I vote on principles rather than a person with a letter next to their name

[@MegaaSound]

This needs to be redone with conservatives who stand their ground a little more. It felt too quiet to me lol

[@tzvibendaniel2045]

As a Latino, every time I hear “Latin X” I cringe. Other than that, kudos to Vice for allowing this kind of public discourse to take place.

[@thavvisionary8912]

Peace & Love, Just Gaining A New Perspective: What Makes You Cringe About The Term "Latin-X?!?!!?" I'm Ignorant To The Term And What It Means Or Supposed To Mean. Thanks For Reading. Peace & Love!!!

[@tzvibendaniel2045]

@@thavvisionary8912 It's butchering the "gendered" Spanish language for the sake of accomodating the gender-non conformity agenda -

[@joshuapacman]

@@thavvisionary8912 Not the same person but I am latino the term latin-x just doesn't sound correct and sounds more like a way for ignorant white people from California to spew racism and disrespect our shared language of Spanish.

[@nightbling8905]

@@thavvisionary8912 it’s annoying and disrespectful to our culture, Latino and Latina is how we’ve addressed ourselves for centuries, but all of the sudden people want to change it to be gender neutral which takes out the romantic nature of our language

[@3dwin135]

@@nightbling8905 while i see ur point u also need to realize that the word is used in english not in spanish, as in spanish the word is latino is already gender neutral, however in english it isn’t

[@forsure2283]

Bottom right chick needs to drop that victim mentality.

[@mariaavakian4910]

Fun Facts: I am from Mexico and realize Mexico has no Indian reservations. Therefore its impossible to have a border wall to divide them . Also Mexico does not allow people to cross at any unauthorized border crossings . U.S. Citizenship requires a minimum of 5 years of legal residence. Illegals should be granted legal residence , not citizenship . They also should have to pay a fine and wait an addition 10 years,

[@frisco9568]

México doesn’t have any Indian reservations bc they live amongst society, and if they don’t they have their own predominant villages/towns/cities.

[@tahmhenks2972]

Lady in the orange shirt is absolutely what's wrong with discussing politics. She is either extremely condescending or full on victim mode.

[@mounaimegueriou5101]

I'm colorblind so referring to her with colour is so offensive ( no seriously are you talking about the one on the upper right or lower right cuz i'm coluorblind for real and i can't find her lol)

[@tahmhenks2972]

Lower right

[@mounaimegueriou5101]

Oh ! I agree then

[@natefrancis4455]

Right, of course the Black woman is. Your not biased at all.

[@tahmhenks2972]

@@natefrancis4455 Her mannerism when people try to interject is condescending. She feels racism when she's getting dressed? C'mon.

[@seamen5385]

She never explained how she experiences racism through getting dressed

[@danjuan325]

FREE NUTT right!

[@heathermcdougall2399]

That's easy to answer - clothes is rassiss.

[@gabrielescobar9707]

Seeing that big black ass

[@patrickayers259]

Yesssssss. I'm sure the owner of the clothing lines she wears are racist so it trickles down to her. *Puts on sock.* god this country is so racist and cries.

[@marvinromelus4846]

Im a black person and I think that shes crazy

[@missmanners62]

good lord this aged badly. i'd love to see an update with these same people; although, from what's available on twitter, they'll cling to their nonsense.

[@So-what692]

Wow learned so much💯

[@novajayagaming9896]

Dude the difference between these people is so obvious. One side wants to have conversation, one side wants to put words in others mouths and control the conversation.

[@raybeauskillet9610]

You're 100% accurate

[@AtibaVV]

yes exactly when they were debating pussy grabbing thing none of the liberals listened at all. she was talking about thots not all women they didn't wanna hear that

[@thomasjefferson2813]

You're absolutely right. Conservatives are the worst...

[@carryhandleenjoyer7411]

@@setht1194 I think hes being sarcastic, just look at his name

[@Jeff_Roach]

"so basically what you're saying is..."

[@catalinalongoria2514]

The interviewer is very biased & clearly expressed anger when Trump is defended by a conservative. Vice is de-"VICSIVE"!🤣

[@bloatedgains600]

Catalina Longoria You moron, Vice is a left wing journal - that’s the audience they cater to, dumbass Cuban conservative.

[@annielongoria]

Ayye we have the same last name! lol sorry, I just had to say something. Also, A+ play on words 👍😂

[@JS-th2ev]

Yeah never said who did everyone vote for, instead who voted for Trump.

[@conspiracytheory9525]

When someone talked about the record low minority unemployment she had to get it started under Obama line in.

[@user-di8hm2jl2u]

The woman in the orange isnt facing racism, she is getting a reaction to her attitude.

[@glo2043]

Yep. She's a passive aggressive moron.

[@Blocphace]

The Nicaraguan brother in the orange, your brilliance stands out. Keep teaching as much as you can.

[@robertwadas]

Did she say she was a victim of racism while she is getting dressed ???..Professional victim

[@johnwashington8871]

stupidity is a disease. You hang around enough stupid people, you catch it.

[@poowawatv6178]

it means suppression based on race is real and stays with you, if you are lucky enough not to understand at least dont act like racism isnt deeply embedded in culture and proven to be systematic... i do however think shes totally using a bigger issue to pretend her personality isnt the problem, she may be a bit woke but shes a chode lol

[@poowawatv6178]

@@johnwashington8871 this isnt true at all lol u so crazy

[@robertwadas]

@@poowawatv6178 Whats not true? Im white, my kids are dark mexican and I had to warn them about the dangers of Chicago neighborhoods.. If your not sure if a community in Chicago is dangerous is if the name of the town is in a rap song...stay away ! All people of have racist views, nothing you can do...you can only do something if the person does something racist. Police are 8x's more likely to get shot at by a blackman than the other way around. Stop the race card. Never heard a Japanese pull out the interment camp card ..They reject the idea they are victims!

[@jasonbrisco9434]

@@poowawatv6178 ... clearly you don't understand the difference between racism and prejudice buds....

[@cjm0174]

She said she experiences “racism” while getting dressed.... so yes you absolutely manifest racism. Who is racist? The mirror?

[@zaheerahman7266]

Casey Meisinger yeah that part got me too

[@Pariah_Larry]

I thought the same exact thing. You’re creating racism and focusing on it when it’s not there. She’s choosing to be triggered because it gives her a cause/movement. Sad.

[@DT-fh9ft]

I dont know what shes talking about if you love with a chip on your shoulder then there you go

[@DT-fh9ft]

@Kezia my thoughts exactly 🤣 shes not very smart and she judged the gorgeous girl behind her because shes jealous of her she doesn't know what shes been through. Who lives like this.

[@90210bryan]

LMAO I DIED LAUGHING

[@nani0malik0ar]

The guy in the orange shirt and glasses was my favorite. It makes me so happy to see another independent who understands the gravity of making things into a binary system. How anyone thinks that billions of people can fit into these tiny boxes that have zero nuance or diversity is beyond me.

[@helenrodriguez9891]

Omg please do not tell me you believed for a second that guy was independent. Didn’t you hear he said : “I’m an independent who leans more to the left “ . That’s not being an independent that being a leftist . Total contradiction. Not to mention that the binary sys is put in place because it’s more simple / practical and it is in fact how the human brain make connections. Is so crazy how some people can use semantics to make it seem like they are giving this meaningful knowledgeable speech when is just pure ignorance

[@CeLticFire1251]

The guy in orange is the exact type of person who will pursue a career in education-one of the lowest paying fields-then complain about teachers not being paid enough.

[@zaldigr863]

@@CeLticFire1251 I like how you think making an assumption about someone you literally don't know is somehow a "gotcha", but anyway, i see you on every vice video commenting stupid stuff, so, i'm not surprised really.

[@208SledHead]

"Been here for millions of years.." Bro - WHAT!? LMAO!!

[@dolphin8815]

7 leftist.. 2 conservatives. I see your bias, vIcE

[@jane2141]

King Bob there are no leftists in the U.S. these are center.

[@triggered577]

King Bob That ratio emulates the overall political patterns of Latinx voters though. Generally speaking, anywhere between 60-70 % tend to vote Democratic so this focus group isn’t really off.

[@soniag4516]

@@jane2141 There is no center in the US, that cat ran away with Hillary's donkey

[@soniag4516]

The Blacks were 3C's out of nine so these are the people who are shaping our future--Black and Brown libturds

[@DannyBananyGoesWild]

@@soniag4516 what a classy way of putting things. I'd rather be 10 libturds than having to put up with your inferiority complex.

[@marissaceniceros8614]

Let’s pretend to have an open conversation but only question the conservatives...props to the conservatives that went on the panel.

[@andrewstout903]

Marissa Ceniceros could not agree more!

[@hlross3574]

Are you conservative?

[@DijnX]

Doesn't matter because you can clearly see what conservatives said made sense. Props to them.

[@ColonPal]

Marissa, There wasn't a single Conservative on the panel you idiot. The people who say they 'support Trump' are just misguided, uninformed morons, who have spent their lives being duped by FAKE NEWS, which is the only thing that suggests trump has done anything for the Country, when he's done the EXACT OPPOSITE, WEAKENING our Country immeasurably. Only a complete IDIOT would say support is helping the Country. Even him bragging about Lower unemployment was done by Obama who passed Legislation that ALLOWED the Unemployment to decrease. Trump did NOTHING to lower unemployment, OBAMA DID. Trump has only passed one piece of Legislation in 3 years, his tax scam which didn't provide a SHRED of hope for middle class Americans, but only rewarded the FILTHY RICH and the already rich corporations, who are raking in trillions and using it to pay their CEO"s billions of dollars.

[@lildrummerboy5873]

Bob Judd you are an actual idiot

[@Turin69]

Bring this back and do a recap

[@DJSpinczar]

I always love the idea of "what do you want to ask the trump voters"...idk what happens in part 2 yet...but do the trump voters get to ask the others why THEY voted the way they did?

[@j.s.bachbwv5823]

"My family has been here since 1492, we've been here for millions of years." Boi.

[@j.s.bachbwv5823]

Is it any less dumb if it were casual?

[@lewb.8619]

@Finn there are nobody in this continent who is "indigenous" , everybody came from somewhere including the "natives" [Asia].

[@j.s.bachbwv5823]

@@lewb.8619 Exactly. There were two sub-races of Slavic/Mongolian "natives" before the stereotypical "native Americans" people know today. The great bridge connected to what is now known as Alaska, which makes "Eskimos" more closely related to the original "natives."

[@GoldenSte]

Lew B. How convenient for you.

[@j.s.bachbwv5823]

In any area but Africa, yet the premise is still valid.

[@ericzgrey]

Well that was garbage. Nice fake neutrality from the moderator.

[@beauteafulyou1616]

Right? What an embarrassment..

[@dominicbuck3744]

Dude, the side of her head is shaved, that tells us everything we need to know about her politics

[@tylerbattlespear4207]

2:15 the moderator like I'm triggered

[@dominicbuck3744]

😂😂 I could not for the life of me decide what douchy role he could play, but I’m from the real Reno and he can play like 3 people that I actually know 😂

[@dominicbuck3744]

Oh ya, 2:15 triggered her

[@emiliasanz713]

15:44 the guy in the orange shirt legit lowkey roasting the guy talking ahaha.

[@justlucky8254]

Why were almost none of the questions written in the description of this video not even asked, let alone answered?

[@minicineastemovies]

The debate with Liberal and Conservative African Americans was so much better.

[@whitehulkj23]

They all agreed that we should call them black....... Well the conservative ones anyway haha

[@x30sage49]

yeah the one with black people was way better

[@wiseguy617]

WAAAAAAAY BETTER!

[@Endlesslizard]

I agree

[@Kscomelli]

Being black, I was disgusted by the black conservatives. See how that works, I saw something totally different from what you saw. I did learn something from this... boy the self identity issues are strong with this crew. I'm almost sure that all who identified with white would not be considered white when all hell breaks loose. I wonder if those who identify with white could pass for such if they were standing at the border. Sad!!!

[@martinr.1482]

Meh, the black conservative/liberals host was more neutral. This lady is just plain biased, but what can you expect from VICE

[@mariojudahsdad7333]

Ok when they made the KKK vs crips vs city council that was fucking amazing now they’re so fucking biased whenever the kkk was talking they sat and listened to the bullshit WHICH IS WHAT A JOURNALIST DOES whenever they called the German biker gang a Nazi club after they denied being nazis I knew they were taking a poor turn

[@embearasedbear3694]

@@mariojudahsdad7333 to be fair the klan might actually have a lot right kust their taticts are totally off

[@CVert151]

@@embearasedbear3694 Are you serious?

[@CVert151]

@@mariojudahsdad7333 I’m not sure why the KKK was given a platform to begin with.

[@embearasedbear3694]

@@CVert151 yeah, might wanna go reread what they said. Agree alot with Malcolm X. But I wouldn't expect Vice viewers to do too much reading. Have fun clutching pearls tho.

[@MM-qi5mk]

The opening guy talking with his ear rings and blanket acts like hero 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-bg6kz7ci7q]

I’m black and I identify as white 😂😂😂😂😂

[@shake707]

It's so funny how Vice will stage these "diverse" conversations, but will then be blatantly biased in their questioning and responses from the interviewer.

[@kh5735]

That's Jorge Ramos's daughter, that's why.

[@kh5735]

BTW this interviewer campaigned heavily for Hilary. Jorge loved bragging about his daughter hanging out with her.

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

I don't really know why 'diverse' is in quotations in your comment like you're being sarcastic, when the the discussion was *literally* filled with diverse opinions. Lol

[@shake707]

@@themajesticspider-man6116 there was very little diversity of ideas

[@SPKR1]

Vice, Vox, and the mainstream media control the narrative unfortunately

[@Bloopfrog]

Vice, yall need a better spokesperson that wont cut people off. She kept cutting off the conservatives which clearly shows where she stands.

[@rogerengle2509]

Agreed, and then she completely ignored what the guy in the back righr was saying about how people should be treated by their actions and not by their color...thats such a good statement...the libbies all want a damn handout because they are hispanic

[@frankvillarreal9418]

The man in black, at 10:39 wasn’t even finished speaking his mind and she totally cut him off. That was so disrespectful, if she can’t be an unbiased host, she has no business hosting. Then again, vice is full of shit and completely biased. Have you seen the hosts, they all dress like 12 year old boys and have horrible haircuts. They all act like pussies. Especially that cry baby black reporter that looks like a gay Gerald from Hey Arnold.

[@elisiamangiacotti7001]

Emily Hernandez probably because they’re saying things everyone have already heard a billion times.

[@MarchOfMonarchs]

They should of had that guy from the black political debate

[@ottomaddox7105]

America for Trump 2020!

[@goattalk9473]

I like the fact that people who disagree are having a discussion, but VICE tends to have moderators who clearly have a particular position. It’s evident with some of the editing and how the moderators pick and choose when to add modifiers to the participants’ dialogue during and exchange. It would be nice to have one of these panels where the majority held a more conservative viewpoint on politics. The conservatives are typically always the minority (ironically) during the debates.

[@gemlazium]

The guy in the plaid "leans left" 😄 he's so far left he can't see the line. And he is a master student/teacher, our future is screwed. Not sure if the guy sitting next to him is better or worse :"my family has been here before 1492, we've been here for millions of years" 😆

[@swift_stix-tre9594]

People who preach against racism, always make things about race.

[@chadbear8759]

Racism is a made up word meant to divide the people that the political class rules. I always laugh, why do you think “spelling” is called “spelling” all words are spells used to control

[@fredblank3720]

That's true of the fake, made-up, "reverse racism" but not real racism.

[@totalannihilationfitness6473]

@@chadbear8759 I see I've found a fellow JLP listener haha

[@poowawatv6178]

do u seriously not believe racism is in the system? plz look it up with an open mind, the government constantly admits and even officially apologizes for racism....wtf

[@poowawatv6178]

@Ana Clara how do u guys get wifi in backwards land

[@charlesdinguss]

Jesus, would be an idea to get relatively intelligent people to debate.

[@nemlean5025]

thank you, i was thinking the exact same thing. They all agree relatively on the same ideology but they have to find something to argue about.

[@MexiPanda]

TubeYou saids a guy with the name TubeYou. A true genius. Lol

[@JimmyKillem69]

there was a debate? i was kinda distracted looking at the chick top right

[@jjjj-bb8gn]

TubeYou exactly what I was thinking. Not going to lie though, the liberals definitely sound an assload of stupid at some points.

[@devinb3172]

That’s much rarer than you believe, especially in here in America

[@summerskyes1831]

The fact that the people on the top right (brown shirt girl & guy next to her) identify themselves as white is mind blowing to me LOL 16:17 … makes more sense to why they feel the way they do.

[@rowoods6021]

“What frustrates me is that Donald Trump said that “Some are good people” ..the 2 girl Trump supports: Some are good ppl .. “ No most are good people” !!!! Preach sir

[@pepeeltoro1592]

" My family has been here since 1492. We've been here for millions of years" . Best line of the video

[@moonmanmoonmancantyousee6925]

dEv tHe BrIcK he’s a homosapien ... homosapiens have only existed for 300 000 years and they originated from africa , the crossing of the ancient ice sheet between eurasia and the american continent by the asian tribes happened only 27 000 years ago . That was a super dumb thing to say lmao , i know it sounds cool for you but it’s just dumb

[@tenuntildown5352]

dEv tHe BrIcK haha what’s the time stamp

[@gele.3084]

@@tenuntildown5352 he starts at 18:39

[@nimblewimble]

Black shirt dude was like dafuq

[@sizzler3467]

Natives: We got conquered by a superior race and refuse to accept the L 😭

[@predatedsteam96secondchann97]

Why is the host always cutting off the conservatives when they are talking, but allows more speech time when the liberals are discussing? Now that’s biased

[@xImBeaST12321x]

She really isn't 😂

[@supersonicplush8858]

Because it’s ViCE. Part of the liberal machine.

[@FASBLAQUE]

@@supersonicplush8858 But you're here listening.

[@ramzeegonzalez9545]

She is tho 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheWakeupandsk8]

Aaron Zimmerman oh hell yea man he is great and i enjoyed watching his videos

[@annealcorn105]

If The dude in the Gray sweatshirt doesn't want to call America home,. He can go back home. You're either all in or you're out.

[@DaBizness13]

So what was the song used at the end cause it was fire!?😅

[@johnappleseed452]

The first question should have been "who is a conservative/liberal" not "who voted for Trump"

[@annalyssaloya3751]

I agree

[@joggyjames]

you should hold you own debate and make that the first question you ask.

[@Jse0607]

I could pick out 2 of the liberals from the start lol

[@bluelion7342]

I caught that too. That sets a wrong frame for the discussion. And frames the discussion of the panel participants having to defend their vote for Trump

[@davidj2829]

Question: are we all pretending like this host isn't a liberal?

[@seth5143]

Yup, because dumbass lefties think any position to the Right of full-blown Stalinism but still WAY Far Left is moderate/centrist. Meanwhile any actual centrist/moderate is a "bigot" & anyone an inch to the Right is a horrible Nazi who deserves to be punched in the face.

[@jeremysteinacker4889]

You know Vice supports full on Marxism, right? They never claim to be centrist. The least she could do was shut her fucking mouth though and just ask the questions and listen.

[@thepinupbeat8694]

There were like 3 conservatives, which hardly had speaking time, you could tell they cut their parts out.

[@monasharma2022]

Questions: are all hosts apolitical?

[@panda_dva2261]

The channel uses "Latinx" at the very beginning. So you know this is a liberal thing from the straight beginning. As a native spanish speaker from mexico, i can say that spanish is a very masculine and feminine worded language. You cannot slap an X on it and call it a day it dont work like that. Spanish is not english. English is very "all gendered" language with words like they them their. But spanish is a romance language, it doesnt have terms like that. Please respect the language and the history behind it.

[@rheinamacher1990]

So out of all of the other similar political videos that Vice has uploaded onto KZbin as part of a series of political debates with different viewpoints, this particular episode, which features participants with different political viewpoints from the left and the right from members of the Latino community that live in Miami, Vice chose not to (or may have cut it out for time purposes), include each debate participant to introduce themselves, such as their name, their background, or any other interesting info that person would want to share. After watching the political debate that featured a lively discussion from members of the Asian community, I was able to connect with one of the conservative participants by sending a message via his social media page and eventually was able to talk to the person on the phone since we shared many of the same interests (especially politics) and even found out that we had mutual friends! So I just wish Vice would have given us the opportunity to have each participant gives us the audience, a short intro of wbo they are, what they're interests are, and or why they chose to participate in this political discussion that millions of viewers would watch.

[@sarahmcardle6584]

Why did she make that guy on bottom left say identify as a colour but didn’t stop the rest who decided to answer with ‘nationality/ culture’.

[@patriciacairo4002]

This a conversation that's never ends well we all have the same feelings with different variations but it's a elephant in the room no one acknowledged who's to say what's better then the other?

[@zavierivey8188]

Bruh just post the whole unedited versions. I wanna hear the convos in their entirety

[@megandozier6767]

Zavier Ivey They easily cut out 75% of a nearly 2 hr long conversation! I’m the girl in the pink blouse in the front row, with the skirt. They pieced together bits of conversation that were unrelated. I’m hoping they post the uncut version because this editing is misleading for both sides of the conversation.

[@zavierivey8188]

Thank you for the insight. And I loved the points you made. I hope they really post the full Convo. As an African American Conservative I wanna see what we say stop being chopped up and edited

[@megandozier6767]

Zavier Ivey No problem, I personally found it to be a great conversation as a whole so I hope they do post the uncut version so you could see for yourself! Thank you for the feedback, and I completely agree with you about censorship of conservatives. Its ridiculous

[@thecluckingassassin]

@@megandozier6767 you looked too easily triggered.

[@argainsanchez1575]

Megan Santell you did a great job I really hope they show the whole thing. Im glad I’m not alone as a Mexican-American who doesn’t have democratic views.

[@fleurdelamb661]

None of these question got anywhere. Totally worthless, and one sided. And the women on the bottom right, was trying too hard to be angry at everything

[@runhomie1013]

😂😂😂😂 big facts

[@ladygabrielle36]

Smarty pants, the questions were questions that everyone not caught up in Trump are asking. Smh live in the real world.

[@mfgunit]

She is a drama queen. You can tell the way she tells others to be quite how "oppressed" she is. What a bitch.

[@kyleevans8821]

Shaunee Ericksen-Lamb and she was rude as hell

[@deborahbishop3300]

Waste of time . The word Racist is thrown around to much and is NOW used out of context these days .

[@deyanirax87]

Finally!!! It's about time we see more Nicaraguans being featured... been waiting for ever for this!!! Wooo!

[@C.Davis96]

I love the opening mission statement. This is not a monolith

[@yeseniapalacios5354]

I have been in this country for 25 years and so far I have never felt discriminated, nor the victim .

[@piterpraker3399]

That's an achiever mindset 👌

[@AndreNitroX]

There are no limits for minorities in America, they only exist in your minds. my dad was from Mexico and he was the first in his entire family to go to college. And become a doctor. He’s also the only republican in his family. And I am also currently working hard to achieve great things too.

[@jessicastern8597]

Good for you. Are you so egocentric to think your experience is the experience of all Latinos?

[@freelover220]

Yesenia Did you understand English 25 years ago . Maybe some one denigrated you or give you dirty looks . How can you tell .!!

[@yeseniapalacios5354]

Yes, absolutely people have different experiences my husband its white blue eyes and I have personally seen that people are racist against him caused of his color, just one example on a visit to the ER , where they all but deny treatment caused he was white and had no insurance . But he doesn't let that racism affect him , he doesn't hate or treat people differently cause of their color, or race.

[@ioneil1808]

Liberal: “So you’re pretty much saying...”

[@colmos88]

ioneil1 😂😂😂😂

[@pinkfurryhat]

All liberals do this hahaha

[@notsofloppyflop7451]

So true

[@davehedric1543]

Strawman and cherry picking arguments. That's all they do.

[@pixelgirl843]

Its called steelmaning.

[@Bimmer_MD]

I'd be very interested to see this panel brought back together to debate their current views of Trump

[@Liberalcringemind]

Oh, this is gonna be a good one 🍿

[@dougwestling4526]

I love how the conservatives are always outnumbered on these panels. How about equaling the playing field so they get shut down with every statement.

[@ewp1]

Doug Westling but this is an accurate representation of how statistically speaking Latinos vote. Either way it was 4 right leaning vs 5 left leaning people

[@dougwestling4526]

@@ewp1 I didn't think of that prospective thanks

[@baileyy8857]

Yeah and the interviewer has maddd bias

[@ewp1]

Sai Acharya I have to agree with you on that one

[@breetgodbayhhhe]

Doesn’t matter the number if you got the evidence and factual statistics to back your claim! Donald Trump is a racist liar and his followers ill believe anything!

[@JoseEnrikes]

I cringe so much whenever they say “latinx” 😭

[@diegobrambila2560]

Honestly I’ve never heard that term until a month ago when my sister told me about. I didn’t tell her, but I think it might have been the dumbest thing she said

[@ALSPEHEIR]

Sounds like something that is located in the throath.

[@djscuffedjays5155]

Christina V ... what..?!

[@christinevuong1411]

Hispanic guys who don't value themselves idolize white girls.. That's what I think. I think girls are better and date white and non whites

[@christinevuong1411]

@Leo Leon so what is it that you saying that relates to my concern that some hispanic people prefer white girls? Some people think they're better than other people just because their partner is white, which is a bogus reason.

[@thurstonpowell8687]

I remember the old movies in the 60's with the judicial council of the universe where some had 3 eyeballs, others 6 arms, but all gather around the universal council.

[@Orange_ape1125]

I expected nothing but heated exchange and passion that’s what I got lmaooo things got spicy

[@OmniviumVelocity]

Hey VICE, next time you have a "debate" can you bring in people who are a little smarter? And actually be unbiased next time. You clearly lean left and it makes this whole video a joke

[@yragcom1]

Agree. From the mod to the panel, this needs a do over

[@MUSICLVR70]

Right! When she asked about the Mexicans being "rapist...etc" Total left talking point of someone who didn't do her homework!!!!! SMH

[@gentrybrown2032]

I like when the moderator casually gave Obama credit for better unemployment for Hispanics/changing the economy and nobody noticed.

[@joehoang4826]

As dumb as these people are, they perfectly represent actual voters.

[@eddiehernandez221]

News flash Trump don't give a shit about you!

[@tiffany4628]

Wish it was more balanced. It was 6 vs. 3 The interviewer wasn't neutral either.

[@bemore7410]

Thought the same thing but the top right "white" homie girl seemed like she may have evolved her political position since the presidential election. Goes to show that more people are migrating from the left to the right than vis versa.

[@jmacron4652]

@@bemore7410 That is Wholly not True...Voters are moving from the Right to the Left....Did you even pay attention to the 2018 Election.....

[@elouiseking5297]

@@jmacron4652 Sorry, I disagree. I use to be a brainwashed dem, not anymore.

[@mtndewit]

Course not she works for vice no fkn chance she's neutral.

[@wildnites558]

Same with polls. Read the metrics on many of these big-time public opinion polls about Trump and you discover the Democrat respondents outnumber the GOP respondents by at least 2 to 1. That's why the Democrats nearly always come out looking good in the polls, the polling organizations specifically set about to poll more Democrats than Republicans. And that's why in 2016 Hillary won in all the opinion polls but Trump won the actual election.

[@andrewflores3327]

As a Latino, I can say if you use the term Latinx we all know you are a gringo

[@grahamcrackers7466]

You can see the frustration on the host's face every time she hears a sound argument she disapproves

[@undergroundgamer5717]

Some of these guys just couldn't fathom that a latino voted for trump 🤦‍♂️

[@MADNEWYORKER914]

Fuck Trump!!!

[@PARCE93]

Trae Thibodeaux Shut the fuck up you inbred

[@mikerude7691]

PARCE93 shut up pussy

[@isaacreyes7589]

@@MADNEWYORKER914 naw bro, Trump is your Daddy since you didn't grow up with one, it's not his fault your dad left your mom and family, Trump is a good man you should look up to him and get your shit together and move out of that tiny roach apartment and do something with your life, Trump added so many Good jobs there is no more excuse for you

[@changed9047]

@@MADNEWYORKER914 , fuck you homie! Mexican here for Trump! Uneducated Yorker that can only use 2 words!

[@brianschultz]

You did a great job with the last conservative vs liberal debate and completely dropped the ball with this one.

[@marcussundholm8727]

Yea the moderator in this one sucked balls

[@snowps1]

I couldn't even finish this video. What a hot mess!

[@qwertyuiopsdfgh]

@@marcussundholm8727 , yeah, that's Jorge Ramos' no-talent daughter. Maybe she should "check her privilege" next time and let somebody who knows what they're doing moderate.

[@---oj1zj]

They literally released the black conservative vs liberal video as a 6 minute long soundbite of the original conversation and received so much backlash they eventually posted the original. Shit the bed both times imo.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

Brian Schultz yes they were honest with each other

[@kodycampbell2922]

Thankful for the sane and based individuals

[@CeLticFire1251]

The guy in orange is the type of person who will pursue a career in education just to complain about teachers not being paid enough.

[@yocan1729]

It’s great to see some of us Latinos who are not brainwashed by the media 🙏🏽 very intelligent man and women

[@KmusikOne]

What is your profile picture and why do I see it all over KZbin? I'm new here.

[@justinj1155]

Mike Jones it’s an old meme type thing

[@KmusikOne]

@@justinj1155 Thanks... I personally think they're robots. They never respond to the comments.

[@yeahohright3097]

But... you are brainwashed by the media. Just not the same type of media. Social media is a better brainwashing machine than anything that has come before it.

[@yocan1729]

yeah oh right no I think the way I want I don’t let people affect the way I think

[@Oranguice]

5:50 she says ”I don't care if you rubbing on him” But if she's rubbing on him isn't she doing doing the exact same thing she's outraged about?

[@alwaysabiggerfish9564]

lol Men are probably "Raped" more then women but we just don't care enough to whine about it.

[@julianmontoya428]

I heard it that way also...she can violate his space...and still say he doesnt have the right to touch her, even if she puts her breast all over him?...

[@nicor2126]

AlwaysABiggerFish it’s bc it’s imbedded in your head that men don’t get rapped

[@UberOwl]

2:14 look at the hosts condescending, smug expression & body language. Just wow

[@recur9759]

This country is obsessed with race

[@JB-bj7ix]

This feels more like interrogation of Trump supporters. Who voted for Trump? Do any of you want to say anything to them? And that girl on the right end of the bottom right - obnoxious.

[@samanthaoconnor1084]

Jeffrey Bunting oh my goodness they are sooooo oppressed!

[@samanthaoconnor1084]

Adelyn Bennett you don’t sound so sure? do you only ask questions? or do you know how to use a period? or comprehend the most basic level of humor? sarcasm?

[@horrorqueen3577]

@@samanthaoconnor1084 lol best comment

[@JB-bj7ix]

@@samanthaoconnor1084 who called the Grammer police.

[@haliax8149]

@@samanthaoconnor1084 Too bad you would have been ostracized if you simply would have said r/woooosh, but then again the alternative turned out to be hilarious.

[@connorh3512]

vice: “non biased” also vice: three republicans vs a biased host and 6 liberals

[@throwawayyeha4947]

i mean for one, you are right in that the video is biased, but 2/3 (63%) of polled 'hispanics' lean democrat. It's a representative amount. Don't be naive

[@user-gk9pl6vl5v]

Yeah, and 75% of the video is conservatives talking. Also, there were 5 conservatives and the host was biased, but towards conservatives, cutting the other side constantly

[@pedrobambinoperez2572]

@@throwawayyeha4947 this is in the US. Trust me, latinos are very conservative.

[@nutslacker1446]

I didn't see any biased statement coming out of her mouth can you reference an example and if it was something minor ig it's normal she's a human being and human beings tend to be biased we just need to reduce it

[@tomboywarrior3229]

@@throwawayyeha4947 If you think this, you probably don't live in Latin America then

[@baldemarcastillo675]

The girl in orange is so condensing. She tries to hard to be right so much and if not then she is a victim.

[@JV-cb2ef]

I been Latino all my life and I wanted to know where the are Latinx because I have never meet one in 53 years