Minorities Debate Colorism, Skin Bleaching and Appropriation | VICE Debates

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[@SchwarzSchwertkampfer]

As my Dad said. If you can boycott corporations. The Afro community [the diaspora as a whole], can create positive media an propaganda trends from. Quality not Quantity. [for the Afro community to continue generating quantity of current media from music to politics and expecting different results is not productive]. Now on microeconomic level. Just because you are in the hood or any community for that matter that propagates and clings to disparaging an detrimental representation. Note to yourself and all like minded individuals; that you as a individual will go against that mindset. Challenge the norms, do the unexpected, achieve and prosper, show deviance, be unpredictable. Enlight of how our country that our ancestors fought for and had perseverance in...Enlight of how our country allowed other countries [e.g., Colombia an many more] to sabotage our community, Historically speaking on the Crack Epidemic 1980 to 1990. Only for Biden and many more politicians on both political parties to champion the 1994 Crime Bill. A foreseen response from our government enlight of the situation. Complacency in how our community was easily sabotaged, only to promote the very same gang culture which sabotaged our community, via music an actions is unacceptable. *We are better people than that; the Afro community is stronger than that* . Our afro community must create the utopia that is needed. New Afro media, New cultural trends and values, from music to politics, everything. And a rebranding of old trends and bad idols promoting negativity is unacceptable. The community must demonstrate with *Action* , that we are better than and noble, and those stereotypes. There are no good stereotypes. Because defining a person in box like is a limited viewpoint of a individual. That alone is unfortunate for both parties, because humanity is not stagnant; when seen in such narrow perspectives as stereotypes it causes conflicts even within our own. Which is problem with stereotypes in our community is that it does not represent all of us.

[@nellko6391]

I think it would be good to moderate a group of people who have “made it out the hood” versus “who can’t or choose to stay in the hood” me being a born in that environment where gang activity/hood activities was something I was born in.. I always thought I would never leave my hood in fort wayne, Indiana! I did! I live in Jacksonville, Florida and been here for 10 years and my life has changed drastically because of it and I get judge by peers back home bcuz of it.

[@EveCole23]

These people hate themselves. That's really what I got out of it.

[@hectorramos4635]

Thank you. I would just like to respectfully point out that VICE has produced multiple videos of this sort (debatish) and there are hardly ever any Latin folks on the panel. America is made of of mostly Hispanics and this panel only had one young woman who hardly spoke. Latinos Mexicans, Ricans, Latin Americans, Central Americans, etc etc are many different shades because Hispanics are a mixture of African, Asian and Caucasian . However we still experience a lot of neglect and colorism, from The American society. Most of American society only focuses on black and white issues in this country but there is more of us in the world than there is black and white folks. I think the Latin perspective will help us on these topics far more. Puerto Ricans seem to be the only Latinos represented in our society and Puerto Ricans are mainly African and white. Personally i would love to see a first generation bilingual latino on these panels. Merry Christmas. lots of love 🎄🫶🏼

[@hilo4580]

How about the BLM hate groups on tiktok criticizing W people and their disdain for W people. Let's talk about that

[@smithdn756able]

Yes the girl who bleaches her skin is heartbreaking but I applaud her for having the courage to speak about it so publicly.

[@pourladentelle]

I know, I cried!😥

[@tljnl9175]

She has the "courage" to talk about it because she doesn't really see it as a big deal which is so sad

[@VegasDiz]

@@tljnl9175 But I hear now its ok to change your sex because you don't like your body, where do we draw the line and who gets to say?

[@august88837]

In the carribean skin bleaching is a big business

[@devotheambivert9875]

Right

[@clementmckenzie7041]

The real problem is, that by the time you are old enough to understand that what you are experiencing is colorism you have internalized all of the messages that society is trying to communicate to you about skin color.

[@sterfry3182]

Not this comment making me tear up 😢

[@barrelagedsophie]

So I can't wear braids because I won't experience discrimination? Interesting.

[@JSOkayThen]

@@barrelagedsophie You missed the entire point. You can wear braids, no one can stop you, but the fact all you care enough to comment about, was braids, and not others experience of discrimination and hurt is incredibly self-centred and a huge part of the problem.

[@humansolarian]

So true, the inner work becomes lifelong others actively undo it while others will remain in their "preferences" and go about passing down the colorist treatment to the rest of society

[@mochadoll23]

That's the worst part

[@klid4444]

The woman who skin bleaches came with such a genuine and honest perspective. I found it so incredibly valuable. I don't like her choice to bleach or to sell those products, however I am just so grateful that she shared her experience. She literally was able to be a living example of how privilege works within colorism. She gave a solid voice to the way that dark-skinned women are treated. All of these women are super dope tbh!

[@kadencehooper7412]

Agreed

[@kokoyaro]

She's not honest. In fact, she contradicts herself. She cared enough what people thought about her when she was darker shade that she bleached herself. But at the same time she doesn't care what other people think about her bleaching herself. The fact is that she made a selfish decision to exit her own race and be accepted by Caucasians. Like the other girl said, her action is an expression of internalized self hate

[@humansolarian]

That part

[@cmdjk1]

True but she’s trash in other ways. Selling her products that ultimately only damage your skin. It’s disgusting! She has no shame at all in her self hate.

[@BaldwinFanonGarveyTureShakurX]

She was being a little disingenuous by comparing her choice to bleach to women wearing makeup. Lol She literally expressed her internalized anti-Blackness several times then tried to guilt ppl into not judging her.

[@PrincessJewels08]

The biracial women In the white shirt is so self aware and empathetic, I wish more people could be as open as she is.

[@EnlightenedGoldenBeauty]

I wish darker skin women can be open and aware of their disdain towards light skin women

[@briannanicolas184]

@@EnlightenedGoldenBeauty Im 100% sure it is the other way around.

[@CrystalGem619]

It's DEFINITELY the other way around​@@briannanicolas184

[@itachi_blvckitachi_blvck-jq6pf]

@@briannanicolas184 dark skin women are jelous of light skin women bevaus e they worshiped and darksins are nto for obviosu reaosons

[@leol9389]

She did the work to get uncomfortable with herself. Unfortunately, a lot of people aren’t doing that.

[@AmericanShadewithBrittanyKing]

I wished they would have discussed the differences of how colorism affects men and women. Light skinned women are treated better while light skinned men are typically treated as “weak/soft.” Dark skinned women are mistreated, while dark skinned men are typically seen as “sex symbols.” Edit: I’m specifically talking about beauty standards in America. Obviously, the conversation isn’t limited only to this point.

[@vfr3589]

Exactly

[@4rtivist]

Colorism absolves the oppressor of racism

[@4rtivist]

“Light skin” black people experience racism all the time, this is dumb to make lighter skin black people affirm their blackness in some way like racism and proximity to whiteness doesn’t impact THE ENTIRE WORLD

[@Solidude4]

Being fetishised is still a form of colorism. Black men do not and cannot benefit from colorism.

[@PixieMeat_444]

Preach!

[@MyNameIsTlo9]

The girl that spoke about skin bleaching was so honest and i admire her for that.

[@stellabrown909]

Exactly!! She almost made me tear up…Michael Jackson talked about the same thing…he was bullied for having a big nose….he becomes rich…..he gets surgery to feel good. I felt her.

[@MagicUzer]

@@stellabrown909 he also broke his nose which was the initial reason for the surgery, had vitiligo, and discoid lupus which was all unfortunately affected his appearance. I can imagine it was damn near impossible to feel confident in his looks being world famous. He was already covering the splotches on his face with makeup to even his tone and lupus fucked up his skin with rashes. The King had it so rough.

[@elianamazurr.5722]

Her sincerity with herself is amazing. It's beautiful to have that kind of vulnerability.

[@telka8069]

Although it broke my heart I admire her courage and yes it is hypocritical to say bleaching is wrong but wearing makeup and weave is different. It's all due to feeling inadequate.

[@kokoyaro]

She's a part of the problem. Instead of staying in the community of their own kind that appreciates her, she wants to be accepted by white people so she changes herself extensively and blames society

[@JoyfullyShea-Marcella]

I think a lot of us in the black community are so quick to shame those who bleach their skin, when we really should be shaming the people and system that makes them feel they need to bleach in order to have a better life. They’re obviously hurting, and it doesn’t help when we come in and add to that hurt

[@terrylrichardson1947]

She sells bleaching cream. She deserves some shame.

[@themoopdrive5063]

Don’t be shy it’s 2023 or yes put some more

[@enlighten5457]

She needed to be called on it, because bleaching her skin is detrimental to her skin. That is the problem of today we don't want to tell people the truth if it hurts their feelings. Hearing truths might hurt at first but will yield fruit if taken

[@likhwezititus]

​​@@enlighten5457 you can call ppl on it but what good would that do. The skin has already been bleached and now they'll feel guilt for it. Plus ppl could say the same for surgery, bbl, tanning the list goes on. People will always find ways to excuse. When I talk about it ppl say things like "why r you quiet when the white girls tan" or "Give Kim Kardashian the same energy" So I've just learnt to mind my won business.

[@kimleemoon]

The black community is one of the biggest contributors to colorism. We have to heal/fix our own issues with colorism & desire for proximity to whiteness before we can ask anyone else to do it. All of this light, mixed or white “preferences” a lot of black men have is really just colorism. Up until the 80’s dark skin black women couldn’t join certain sororities, it was for light skinned women only. BM & BW we’re told not to bring home a gf/bf darker than a brown paper bag until the 70s. Actually some families with most light skinned people still say this to this day. Some HBCU dancing girls would only recruit light skinned girls until the early 90s, light skinned black men were the preference in the black community until the 90s. The closer black women’s skin color, facial features (nose, lips, eye color, etc) & hair texture are to whiteness, the more desirable they’re seen by black men & the more likely they are to be married.

[@cynthialigginsthomas]

Though the young lady bleaching her skin was honest, I felt so sorry for her. To be rejected by others can be hurting enough, but to wholeheartedly reject yourself is heartbreaking.

[@whollymercurial9129]

😊

[@soulfullywise165]

As a dark skinned woman, nearing 50, I have began contemplating, skin bleaching. Like this young lady, who did it, I have physically, survived, 50 years of hatred, for being black. For my 50th turn around the sun, I'll aim for the remainder of whatever life is left, and for once experience a good day.

[@Nethanda]

Try to be intelligent. If she was treated any better there'd be no need for the bleaching cream. Your lack of empathy and understanding is certainly part of the problem.

[@Soulociraptr]

I find it interesting that the two black men, when it pertains to darker skinned women experiencing colorism, they were heavily in the field of it being about self-esteem and "how you respond to colorism". But when it pertains to lighter skinned people experiencing colorism, they seemed to want to prove that reverse colorism exists and show more sympathy to it. And that is why I could just barely take them seriously. Also, I feel like too much shame was being thrown towards the young lady who skin bleaches when it should have been refocused on the big WHY that caused her views of herself as dark skinned to shrivel. I was glad when the person in the pink dress moved the focal point though.

[@philicathompson]

It was so hard to even listen to what he thinks is logical and he is overly oblivious.

[@lwando88]

Absolutely this!

[@hannahs2638]

18:25 18:25

[@mr_knowitall]

Well, to be real, anti-light-skinned colorism IS put on the back burner so we can focus on anti-dark-skinned colorism. If you want any of these black youtube dating shows, it's not uncommon for women to reject men for being too light, and it happens for more often than the reverse. Being accused of "acting light skinned" when someone is deemed too emotional... Being light skinned may not have many economic disadvantages, but for on a day-to-day basis, a light skinned person can feel colorism against him is being under-acknowledged.

[@Rachel-p9e]

Yes, the over simplification and minimization is alarming. It seems like they’ve been classically conditioned and don’t realize.

[@rainbowglitterclit]

This is an example of how beneficial it is to be trauma-informed. The woman who bleached her skin was traumatized by racism and colorism. How a person manages to cope with their trauma needs to be handled with compassion. I empathized with her when the others started to criticize what she did (the skin lightening, not the sales). The aspect of her monetizing it changed the focal point, but it still seemed like they got lost that her decision to lighten her skin could have been a trauma-response.

[@ellencox8415]

I just can't believe how racist black people are to the point of being racist to their own people. They even have a term for their racism. "Colorism"

[@ThoseNigerianTwins]

!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Sagefrakrobatik]

What about white people tanning is that self hate as well?

[@JinJiyanAzadii]

@@Sagefrakrobatik If they live in a predominantly non white area where the institutional power doesn’t belong to them. But usually even then it’s darker skinned people who still bleach. Due to mixing a lot of places that had more darker skinned people, now have more lighter skinned people. This made everything worse for darker skinned people. Look at Bollywood and how they portray dark-skinned women, *if* they portray them. Now you could argue non white people also mixed with Europeans, like brown west Asians did with southern Italians for ex. Due to Anatolian (west Asian) ancestry, southern Italians look different, brown. Same with Sicilians and North Africans mixing. But it still turned out bad for the mixed Italians. In Italy for a long time it was the case that the lower you were on the boot (more southern Italian) the lower was your class. So there is a real issue with that which a lot of people deny.

[@shaan702]

@@Sagefrakrobatik it is but not in the way you think. For white people, tanning signals that they have free time and take vacations. It’s a form of wealth signaling. They are not trying to appear non white. They are trying to appear wealthy.

[@PrincessJas1024]

My skin is the same complexion as the young woman in the black jacket and I think our skin is stunning! However just because I’m accepting of my skin doesn’t mean everyone else is and that’s where the issue lies. Telling dark women to love themselves is not the solution. People accepting others for the skin they were born with is the solution.

[@beefy45]

She’s so gorgeous

[@feliciaabrams9604]

I agree, things need to change externally, but at the same time our daughters must love themselves. My daughter has a darker complexion than me. I would hear kids say.... "That's your mum?" It made me feel some kind of way. I never wanted her to feel ashamed or embarrassed because our complexions are different. I never wanted her to feel strange around me in public. Some people are so funny-acting. Every race is beautiful. I may not be attracted to everybody, but beauty is in every person. We don't have to label one race as the most beautiful. God made us all. To do so would mean He made some of us as an afterthought. That would mean God isn't perfect. He is no liar, nor is He imperfect. His definition of beauty is far beyond our limited human and carnal abilities. We cannot fathom how deep Abba Father feels or how He thinks. It's pure love. Humans fall short of pure - non judgemental love every day.

[@feliciaabrams9604]

​@@beefy45Yes, she is both beautiful and adorable. I loved to hear her share. You see the pain, struggle and beauty in her eyes. She is a force! We'll be seeing more of her, that is for sure.☺️ The young lady who bleached her skin, broke my heart. I get it. I just wish she knew how beautiful she was.....the way God made her. Humans can create safe spaces, as well as toxic ones. It's sad that as a society, we have so many broken spaces and devastated people.

[@Craig-pm2kc]

You just need the love of a good lightskin man.

[@mizzbellasofly]

You guys do have beautiful Skin 😍 it's Golden. I tell dark-skinned people all the time that you guys are so lucky!!!! You can Swim in the sun 🌞 all day and nothing will change in your Complexions I love yall Chocolate Complexions 🍫

[@avav7223]

It's interesting and scary that the woman who bleaches said her mother always told her she was beautiful but she was ultimately influenced by media

[@whateverman2674]

kids don't take mother's words seriously. moms tells you things to make you feel accepted or good. if her father told her she was beautiful she wouldn't bleached her skin.

[@thedadlife247]

she wasn't influenced by the media she said kid would call her charcoal and dark names that's got nothing to do with media.

[@depitrius]

I'm starting to think she wasn't that dark, she just wants attention. And this is an irreversible process, the melanin that left no longer returns, congratulations to her, she managed to let the inferiority complex and lack of education get the better of her.

[@fizzyfee12]

As an Asian-American I would've loved to see a darker and lighter skin Asian on this panel. Considering the topic on skin bleaching, me personally I like getting a tan and hoping my skin turns a shade darker. I also know there's a population of Asians who feel the same. But also there's a population of Asians who want to become and enjoy a lighter skin shade. I think that would be very interesting to have

[@bidenisnotmypresident7352]

not enough whites on the panel

[@wellhydrated453]

2:08 iranian on the panel

[@Bahamuttiamat]

As an alien reptile, I don't feel my green pigmentation is adequately represented.

[@PhatBirb]

@@Bahamuttiamat are you comparing asians to alien reptiles?

[@ima.m.1658]

Yeah colorism is so worldwide, def lot of Asian countries affected for a long time by it, even before colonialism. I wonder if they wanted to focus more on the black experience of colorism in America? I'm not mad about it (I'm Indian-American) but I thought that was interesting.

[@Niaxmoomoo]

I wish they had more darkskin people on the panel. There are darkskin south Asians, Latinos etc. As well as more darkskinned men. It’s just ironic to have a panel about colorism and the room is filled with lighter skinned individuals.

[@EnneMan]

YAAAS QUEEEN

[@cleo3271]

Maybe it’s the lighting idk

[@TheKayleeanna]

@Lawrence Brown Because colonialism has incorrectly taught that the darker you are, the less value you have. Hence, it would be great to hear from those most affected by it. 🙃

[@MrJrv22]

Absolutely! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@lancethrust9488]

JUST WOKE NONSENSE PROPAGANDA

[@BigShaunda]

The girl in the turtle necks’ side eye is UNMATCHED 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 she had me dying thru the whole video

[@DoodieLuquette-hk3lf]

Bc she a lil narcissist manipulater

[@ifeifesi]

​@@DoodieLuquette-hk3lf wow, you could tell all that without meeting her and taking to her? You have a rare talent for sure

[@richbae7341]

@@DoodieLuquette-hk3lf 🤣🤣🤣

[@guinnmyahslaysstaymad]

Especially when that dude was talking about reverse colorism i was dead 😂

[@rowan4134]

​@DoodieLuquette-hk3lf yes because narcissism is when someone doesn't agree with your opinion? alright buddy

[@fillomz7340]

The black guy in glasses at the back is such a classic case 😂😂😂 the dark girl would raise a point he frowns and make faces the lighter woman next to her addresses the same thing and points he nodes everytime 🤣🤣🤣

[@blaqfish]

Indoctrination in action but he said as a gay man searching for the white man of his dreams, white man want darker skin black men who are more masculine. He's sad about it so he takes it out on the dark woman that has the skin he envies

[@ca678.4]

He done already internalized that white supremacy. I say this in other comments but black men like that will typically dismiss dark skinned women experiences just cause they don’t want to acknowledge many of them do it because they want to pursue non black/very light skin women. (But let the roles be reversed, and it becomes a topic of light skin men vs dark skin, suddenly they know what it’s like!) And I say this as someone who is lightskin myself. But I grew up in a predom black country and I’ve seen and heard the things they said. The absolute worst have been from out of American black men mouths. Where they are the closest to white women. Surprise surprise

[@Yagirlnyesha]

The irony

[@PlutosAsleep]

✨internalized racism and white supremacy✨

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

@@ca678.4Colourism is r forced by women

[@sadiM653]

I think it’s very profound and also an example of how the black community is divided amongst black men and black women. The black men are on the fence about colorism existing and making it into self-esteem issue that people are having, even though a lot of the black rappers and black men in the black community are very colorist. It’s in the music, it is also in the culture. Dark skinned women are shamed and lighter skin and biracial women are elevated. Very interesting to participate and then act as if it does not exist.

[@DoodieLuquette-hk3lf]

Yah and dark skin men like light skin girls more but dark skin girls cry like it ain't another mf man on this earth when it's billions of ppl ok Earth but they to busy having bitterness towards light skin men

[@jesushateswood]

These panels are frustrating because they always, always have the same type of Black men. These middle of road negroes that feel if you don't think about racism or colorism it won't touch your life.

[@melaninrichblessdhighlyfavored]

How crazy is it, that those same "black" rappers actors, musicians, etcetera are -not- even of the same stock as our people??? It is true, all melanated folks ain't Kinsfolk, and here ours are so incredibly and overwhelmingly negatively influenced by those who are of another different tribe entirely, those almost kinda Negro-looking and yet not of the Negro or so-called 1988 assigned "african-americans" those, who are *sewn amongst the Saints, who look like us, kinda, but who aren't of us? .. The Negro skull and nose are peculiar unto the Negro only, that greasy bellpepper nose ain't ours that's Moabs and Ammons.. Google says they "disappeared" .. yea, they did when they became us without being us.. All of our government "representatives", socalled civil rights leaders, every puppet idol icon: yep you guessed it- they were M/A.. yep. So, I call them the greasy bellpepper nose melanated heathen tribes of Moab and Ammon who are masquerading as the Hebrews, and now even leading them; in all the wrong directions, as an ancient ENEMY would do, right? .. They must sit back and laugh at the Saints.. they are now micromanagers of the true sons and daughters of Yashara'al, in all lands.. I don't expect them to go running and tell that. Herein lies the burden of Moab. It's just too damn bad that so many of us THINK that they are us.. so many of my people are utterly idolatrous.. ugghh.. We think that they are us, like its in the very fabric of their fraudulent construct they've built up around us.. But how could they reallybe us? The "famous African-Americans" all eat at the table with esau, and all the other confederate heathen nations, but *we don't.. 🤔

[@SylvesterHannah]

They know it exist ma’am because they’re black.

[@GraduateJLN]

@@SylvesterHannah did you even comprehend her comment? It was very well thought out and precise.

[@incognita7629]

I am dark brown and I was strangled. As sore and tender as my neck was you couldn't see any bruises. My white nurse educated me on how that's not uncommon in her brown patients. I was too in shock to be thinking about if I was believed. Later, I am appreciative when I look back.

[@whatsonhermindblog123]

❤❤❤ sending you love

[@KadarOfficial-lg2zr]

❤️ God Bless You 🙏

[@mjar2954]

I'm Sorry That Happened To You. 🙏🏼😰🙏🏼❤️ Blessings...❤🕊❤🙏🏼

[@rene71261]

🤗🤗 hugs to you, I hope you are doing well. ❤

[@Prodigious1One]

Thank God for that nurse.

[@denk4915]

The arrogance in the guy in glasses. Colourism is deep even as far as South Africa…lighter black women are desired more than darker women. Lighter black women are called “yellow bones” and trust me they more privileged

[@Superbatmanbro]

It's also a problem in the country I was born in Haiti and Most likely on all the Caribbean Islands and people on the continent of Africa to.

[@newbestofthis4422]

There is nothing wrong with having preferences.

[@mspickettj]

The two men didn’t understand the definition of colorism, and it was very sad. This is a deep reflection on why colorism is continuing through the generations. Our black men in massive need to dig deeper and be curious enough toeducate their self.

[@Nethanda]

It doesn't hurt them as much. And men are more self centered. So it's unlikely they'd do that.

[@mena88]

No, you weren't really listening to what they were saying because it doesn't conform to your understanding of the reality of this particular situation. All our experiences of so called external reality are filter through an intermediary lens composed of biases (education? etc) and other unknown factors that skew our perception and understanding. Very few of us have been able recognized this lens and "clean" it enough so we see what's actually out there.

[@blackbutterfye]

@@mena88 the examples the dark skinned gave were clear. The black men didn’t even acknowledge it.

[@Nappy-jq8rz]

@@mena88 👏

[@wattakesselly6463]

Yes when mothers bleach their kids skin it’s absolutely unacceptable!!

[@jazziskincare9474]

I don't agree with mothers bleaching kids skin, When the kids grow up, They should make that decision on their own.

[@koolkatkimina9]

The 2 black men need to rewatch this video and notice how their interactions and communication styles vary depending on the skin tone of the woman they are communicating with. The disparity between the respect they give to the lighter skins compared to that of the darker skin is astounding.

[@fatimahlopez5580]

🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 I was just thinking that 😂 the main ones acting as if colorism doesnt exist or more focused on "reverse-colorism"

[@sound3098]

Dont even want look at them this is crazy

[@TreyMessiah95]

You’re aware that Black Woman are just as much of a colorist than the black man are? In fact black woman are more likely to have a confirmation bias towards people who arnt dark.

[@jajuanbell7301]

THIS IS FALSE I REWATCHED!!!! The incel in the back was harshly disagreeable with EVERYBODY. The dude in the front went the HARDEST on the iranian girl and didn't interrupt the 3 dark skin girls AT ALL

[@jajuanbell7301]

I don't like either of them honestly but the original comment is false and everyone who liked it are probably just brainwashed to hate black men cause what she said isn't even in the video 😅

[@cassandrapegues]

During this discussion, I could be wrong, but I noticed whenever the young lady in the first row (who has dark skin and medium twists/braids), gave her opinion and tried to provide factual information, she was literally put into a hot seat by the two black men in the group who disagreed with her, almost every time she spoke. Honestly, I felt apprehension for her, but I also noticed that she stood her ground, along with all the other women on the panel. In particular, the gentleman sitting next to her, I'm not sure he recognized that he interrupted her and did not say "excuse me for interrupting you," like he did earlier when addressing a light-skinned woman in the back row. THIS is what she was talking about in terms of how men treat women with darker skin and how men pick their mates, based on the shade of their skin, with some people not realizing that Colorism may be informing their choices.

[@kida758]

Exactly, the 2 black men were a downright embarrassment. With the one in the upper right constantly referring to himself as being "light-skinned"...which he is not. The gay men not Hollywood wouldn't see him any differently than a darker-skinned "BBC". Delusional. Him and the other black guy kept diminishing the conversation with their white supremacist-induced gaslighting of everyone else's valid points. You can tell they've grown up their whole lives catering to white people....or being the "BBC" to white/nonblack women and men that they don't actually care about black issues. Ironically, the actual mixed/light skinned black with the red dreads made some great points....and should've been the representative for black men as opposed to the other 2 men in the sunken place.

[@morganmarshall7534]

THANK UOUUU

[@athenalong]

COME 👏🏾 ON 👏🏾 CASSANDRA! ✅✅✅

[@sephiwejoycesithole6118]

Yup he did

[@jzhvaeduh]

u better analyze

[@drejonparrott8097]

The one with the glasses saying he was American already set the tone . Cringing every-time he spoke

[@bignasty389]

Calvin was dope the whole time idk what you're talking about.

[@Ricobangz-nq8iw]

It’s definitely a Trump supporter

[@uraddiictOnx3]

The dude in the glasses literally did not listen to anyone. His mind was set and he was NOT changing lol

[@DoodieLuquette-hk3lf]

Yeah bc all of them in that room are narcissist. I wouldn't listen either.

[@thorisowho]

He definitely came with an agenda . I cringes whenever he spoke

[@gabrielhagedorn5942]

Which dude with glasses? The bald one or the one with short hair?

[@koyii5445]

​@@DoodieLuquette-hk3lf how?? You can't just throw around personality disorders

[@DoodieLuquette-hk3lf]

@@koyii5445 ain't no just throwing around nun. I'm calling it for what it is and that's character. All of them are narcissist that want validation like lil kids then turn around and manipulate other ppl intentionally...

[@LotusLotus1979]

I want to on a way applaud The girl with the skin lighting business bc she became more authentic authentic with her answers. At 1st she kinda tried to hide behind the “I think I look better lighter” then she was like whatever… “Society give light skin privilege so that’s why I bleach” and she stuck with that the rest of the conversation. Which admitting the truth of the trauma helps to the solution

[@PinkPine4pples]

Agreed

[@veevivian8975]

I agree totally

[@epicstars96]

Totally agree. I feel like she gets better as time goes on with her answers

[@illmeeillmee9373]

She's light though. To be technical all humans are a shade of brown unless youre albino. What do you think beige is? light brown. Also she is wrong to compare whitening to makeup, totally irrelvant and different. One could say people can alter thmselvves through skincare products since skincare products can make skin "better", but makeup doesnt.

[@illmeeillmee9373]

She's light though. To be technical all humans are a shade of brown unless youre albino. What do you think beige is? light brown.

[@TheZchristina97]

The guy riding so hard for light skinned people is barely light skinned lol. That is WILD

[@allweareiscontent]

Imagine being colorist but you're absolutely comfortable being colorist because dark skin black people see light skinned as less than because "they've had it better". Making them the monoliths y'all swear we aren't. Who's protecting light skinned black voices in these comments other than light skinned people? Is it our fault that white people see your internalized racism and show empathy? This is why we have it better? Just want be 💯 with the rules. Please be specific in your response. 💜

[@Lola-rn2jj]

You're not light skinned just another bitter bm with a chip on its shoulder.

[@Morrisneuro83]

Facts

[@jhunothello2326]

I was so confused I thought he was speaking for dark skinned ppl at first lol

[@PreachThePoet]

Like y he so aggressive 😅🥴

[@Ilovecheesecakebaby]

i feel the caramel guy with glasses wanna be light skin so bad but he honestly falls in the middle

[@melchizedeck.]

Naw he’s definitely light skinned

[@niiaryeetey9762]

He is light skinned🤦🏽‍♂️

[@lilychoi1312]

@@melchizedeck. He is American

[@melchizedeck.]

@@lilychoi1312 I mean yeah… I don’t know what you mean though

[@lilychoi1312]

@@melchizedeck. I was trying to convey that we instinctively segrgate ourselves within our very own community. So I just put American to signify a wide spectrum of people.

[@ashleygibson691]

I want to give the women who bleaches her skin a BIG hug. My heart hurts for her

[@comeliajohnson9551]

Nope, she made a conscious choice to give up. I don't feel sorry for her at all!

[@cadesummers5866]

She just wants to feel beautiful in her body and for other women to feel that way too… I don’t think the debate of colorism empowers her, but just makes her and others feel worse abt how they want to present

[@i1Pain1i]

What’s sad is the woman in the black jacket is incredibly beautiful. To be called charcoal…..that’s just messed up. For a person to decide to bleach themself like the girl in pink it makes me angry at society that caused someone to feel like they had to do that.

[@belizegal29]

That was actually the young lady in pink selling bleaching her cream to her people and making a false equivalent that wearing make up are the same.

[@Brendaglam24]

@@belizegal29 what

[@fk5371]

'dont' be angry with society, just don't accept that treatment. be willing to be okay with who you are and be proud. Spoken from an African who got enough loving and affirmation from childhood

[@daxlucero2437]

“The girl in pink” *looks around, sees 3 girls in pink “Huh?”

[@zenmkultra]

Lol

[@adelea414]

The girl who skin bleaches said she was bullied for being dark which drove her to bleach. Instead of getting mad at her, they should have tried to convince her why she doesn’t need it. In her mind, its a necessary evil and they are just continuing the bullying (in her mind)

[@Ricardo242-y2l]

Oh yes they were bullying. You could tell from her body language that she was very uncomfortable. Furthermore, I think she told the most truth about colorism

[@jazziskincare9474]

Why would they convince her she didn't need it when they were bullying her??

[@AyeishaN0Curry]

Deep

[@KayTalkNYC]

What can they convince her of? She's content with her decision so much so that she's harping on other women's insecurities and selling bleaching products to them so they can "fix" their insecurities (their dark skin) as she did. She said she doesn't care, her mind is made. Clearly, she believes light skin is more beautiful and now that she is receiving better treatment and more affirmations from changing her skin, she won't change her mind or truly be convinced dark skin is just as beautiful or she was beautiful as she was. Nothing they said was bullying they just found it wrong, which it is.

[@Naomi-xu4hq]

@@jazziskincare9474bc in their eyes the truth is that bleaching brings herself better to whiteness and they don’t like that. They’d rather her take the hate and colorism and racism and just “love herself”

[@oziomaihesiene479]

I would have loved to seethe perspective of a dark-skinned black man added to the panel to see if he would have defended the women about it being systemic issue or sided with the men about it being insecurities

[@aworlds1]

When the young lady, said that she felt like BW were portrayed to be bottom of the barrel, it broke my heart - bc you knew that how she experienced herself in darker skin 😢 Words are a spell.

[@ninessaid]

they are but they’re also part of lived experience - I hate how folks treat folks who bleach - like they’re already telling you where they’re at - that’s not simply internal or a mindset and acting like it is is dangerous! The system is informing the politic - not the other way around!

[@kemiaw2709]

She’s clearly from Africa, and was treated like that by African born men. They can act atrocious towards the women from their country. The men are very blunt about dating outside their race.

[@kiaq1153]

@@kemiaw2709 she sounds caribbean

[@D.T_]

@@ninessaid how isn’t it a mindset this goes back to the Willy lynch..

[@ninessaid]

@@kemiaw2709 are we going to act like white supremacy ain’t influencing the continent??

[@catherineasare8992]

I think this conversation highlights how colorism effects women and men differently. The women on the panel were coming with facts pointing out the harms of colorism either through lived experiences or systemic and societal harm and the men could not gauge or understand why colorism was detrimental. At one point the one gentleman equated his bias experiences as a lighter skin black male to “reverse colorism”. It feels like colorism is a surface issue for them. Like the women were discussing real life changing impacts and effects of colorism like abuse, desirability etc and then 2 gentlemen were discussing memes. The conversations isn’t weighed the same. The only gentleman who understood was the beauty guy. It felt like the black man were holding up mantles to support colorism because they discounted its effects and it’s existence, primarily because there lived experience with colorism is different.

[@The_King_Kosmo]

I agree completely. I’m a light skin man. And I just posted a comment about not understanding the privilege and you made me see it differently. And to add I want to clarify that I do greatly see the colorism in females with the pressure to be lighter. But I feel with men it’s the opposite almost. And I saw another video where a woman described it in an amazing way. For light skin men it can almost feel like they aren’t dark enough because the darker skin and black male culture promotes more masculinity. Whereas for the females it’s different bc to be darker kind of takes away from femininity. I’m not saying it’s how it should be and that color does actually impact those traits bc they are unrelated entirely. But in society it’s how it’s depicted.

[@hanginthere008]

I agree to this 💯

[@KMarie33]

I completely agree!

[@girlofanimation]

​@@The_King_Kosmobasically, darker skin is seen as more masculine and lighter skin associated more with femininity. Hence, why lighter skinned BM are more likely to be called soft. So (darker) BM somewhat benefit from colorism and therefore don't see it as a big issue. Also, women are generally judged more on outer appearance than men are, so women are more affected by how others view their skin color.

[@TreyMessiah95]

Ma’am. That’s like saying Black Woman DOG lightskin men more than anybody and then you wanna be woke and call colorist lmfao that feminist mindset is something else.

[@stargirlmystic4670]

Loving the mixed girl in the back row for being so intelligent and acknowledging her privilege respectfully while also expressing her struggles. The guy beside her for some reason doesn’t understand what colorism truly is and also that in todays society it absolutely affects women more than men. Although dark men do experience it as well but it is amplified for women.

[@susanrichardson631]

The reason for this is that dark black men are actually fetishized by many other races. You know that whole BBC mess. It makes it hard for people who have genuinely always preferred darker skin like myself. I don't subscribe to the BBC trope. I just genuinely prefer my brothers a little darker. But most dark-skinned black men don't tend to look at black women like they used to. Too many other options. And dating is an opportunists game for everyone nowadays.

[@tredinabrown2249]

​@@susanrichardson631The Most High Provided Instructions But Many Don't Obey Them!

[@Kaisforeignadventures]

Black darker skin women and lighter skin black men have it the worst with colorism than the reverse.

[@amoijoy573]

That same guy speaks of white gay men wanting bark skinned black men. He’s a contrarian! I find him a bit arrogant!

[@Kaisforeignadventures]

@@amoijoy573 I do agree that he is arrogant but what he's saying in true. In the gay world dark skinned black men are seen as more masculine, alpha with BBC. Lighter skinned or mixed black men are seen as more feminine and less attractive.

[@jonimccalla]

These two black men were needed to show contrast but its sad how disconnected they are from the reality of dark women experiences. It was shocking how dimissive they are.

[@Kingofthenet2]

Facts

[@User.777.1]

The were weird

[@tatjana7008]

Because men are desired based on their social status, and women must fit into beauty standards. All of my Asian uncles got white wifes as soon as they could and told "white women are just the prettiest" even to their mothers and sisters.

[@Thefinancegirlie]

Honestly, that’s how majority of Black men are. Especially in western countries.

[@User.777.1]

They were right Us loghtskins face colourism from darkskins nowadays for no reason

[@gemgirl2000]

My goodness the girl in the pink with the braids broke my heart. When somebody says the don’t love what they see in the mirror because of the world has told them about themselves…consciously or subconsciously…..don’t be so quick to point fingers, let’s be quicker to ask questions. She represents for so many black girls and women who would do it in a heartbeat. There so many questions to ask of ourselves as a collective because the damage of colorism is sitting right there.

[@john2g1]

She was a really interesting guest. Boy do I wish she could speak quickly so she could give more of her opinion and point of view. It's odd... It sounds like she was saying: Hey, I was a girl and then I was taught it was better to be lighter. I bleached my skin and it was better. I also acknowledge that it is f***'d up, but as long as it's the standard I'm going to keep doing it. That's fine... It's tragic, but it is also a reasonable response. It falls apart though because it sounds like her next thought was: I now help other women by showing them my path to success. What!?! Do you sell skin bleach because it allows women access to the system you just said was messed up? Are you in it for the money? I understand money, but it sounds like you think you're helping people into the system you want destroyed. You're literally feeding more gas into the engine. @gemgirl2000 Yes, some people are being mean, unfair, and not truly listening to her. But also I truly listened to her and I'm scratching my head.

[@gemgirl2000]

@@john2g1 yeah….I’m not excusing her behavior at all. I’m more prone to ask why than judge her that’s all. Her reasoning is frustrating to hear for sure but…so is white supremacy LBVS.

[@john2g1]

@@gemgirl2000 Yeah she sure is something... IDK what but it's something. I wonder what it takes to deprogram that way of thinking and self hate?

[@TheLoveBugz]

@@john2g1…personally to me…starts At adolescence…I’m telling you kids are evil asf…I’m darker skinned and I got bullied soooooooo badly…I wanted to bleach my skin so bad to the point I stole some skin bleaching cream but I was too scared to do that…it was put into my head that I was ugly because of my skin…literally a man(a BLACK MAN) told me verbatim “that’s why I don’t mess with you black b*****, I don’t even like black b***** I only mess with “foreign” women and I only mess with light skinned b*****…” that literally broke my heart…made me feel inferior to lighter women…

[@john2g1]

@@TheLoveBugz I don't doubt it at all I remember my childhood quite well. I also remember the children that fell for dark is bad ideology. Fortunately from what I have seen that kind of thinking is dying out in the US (it seems to be growing in parts of Africa and Asia). Thinking back, I never had those thoughts to begin with. Then my first crush was a girl in kindergarten a shade darker than you, so that innoculated me from then on. Either way I think puberty would have cured me of any skin color based bias. What was the catalyst for your change of heart?

[@michelle_9875]

As a lighter skinned woman I can definitely see the difference in the way I’m treated when I wear braids in my hair versus a weave. Im approached more by all races when I have a straighter weave. It’s almost as though I’m seen as less threatening.

[@Bratzmaniac29]

for me, when my hair is curly or braided I find men to be more aggressive sexually and I get harassed more often. When my hair is straight, I get taken serious and feel more respected when I get approached and less sexual comments unless I'm dressed more provacative. (I'm black/white mixed)

[@helianabanes4875]

That is EXACTLY what it is, in my experience as a white woman from the Midwest, I STILL react reflexively and have a moment of fear when I see black people when I am out and about. It effing sucks. I feel like the worst person in the world about it. We NEED a full spectrum of representation in the media, online, etc. My parents were very much about equality, so that is not where this feeling came from. I know it is illogical and I am trying to deprogram myself everyday, but still, I receive this messaging every way, in 2023; that black=violent or criminal. It literally is a split second wave that comes over me and I course correct, but we have to admit, and talk about this stuff, if we are going to improve this world.

[@neglectfulsausage7689]

Maybe you change your behavior when you wear a weave.

[@neglectfulsausage7689]

Theres nothing wrong about a healthy fear of the 13% of a population that does 50% of the crimes. Its the same way you are more fearful of being alone in an elevator with a man, or being hit on late at night by a man, vs either of tese happening by a woman. @@helianabanes4875

[@jayline1087]

The vulnerability this thread is beautiful and yall are so appreciated 🙏🫂

[@nandi6688]

My first interaction with colorism was in elementary. The dark skin boys would not want to play with me, then one of them said, you are dark skin, the other girls have pretty hair, her skin is pretty. IN ELEMENTARY!! Dark skin boys continued to tell me I was ugly long after that.

[@libfuzzy4629]

If black girls stayed away from black boys growing up. Less black girls would have trauma also alot of black boys/men dislike the way they look themselves and make fun of each others appearance..

[@mandyxxxlove]

I’ve experienced something similar. I overheard dark skin guys talking to each other saying they wouldn’t date me cause I was dark skin.. even though I’m technically medium skin tone.

[@libfuzzy4629]

@@mandyxxxlove rejection is protection

[@stefanossmitty3318]

And it still continues. Almost every sitcom with a “black” couple, the male is usually darker and the woman is ALWAYS very light or biracial. See eg. “my wife and kids” “the Cosby show “ “Martin” “a different world” “blackish “

[@mandyxxxlove]

@@libfuzzy4629 True. I go where I am loved & appreciated!

[@Geni167]

As a latina I know colorism is a huge problem within my community as well as others I've also experienced racism . Ive also experienced a lot of the issues brought up by the men and women on this panel . The division is the worst part for me. I am brown skin with straight hair .It took me 21 years to realize the soap I grew up on from my country was bleach . It is so normalized in the latin communities to praise lighter skin that it isn't even questioned or talked about .I have struggled with identity over and over . It wasn't till my latest trip to the land I am from I realized who exactly I am and I refuse to allow others to tell me who I am.

[@blaqfish]

Trejano culture is prevalent for Latinos passing as white.

[@ilikejapchae02]

I'm also latina, which soap was it? To see if I've been using it without knowing. Thank you

[@TykoEaston]

It doesn’t sit right with me when at 14:13 the light skinned person speaking, who has VERY likely benefitted from colorism regardless of their personal politics, criticizes the girl who bleaches her skin for wanting to obtain those very some benefits for herself.

[@dissentraleyes]

Agreed. Seems like she's overcompensating using her hair as an identifier

[@SpiritzOfTheEmporor]

i mean, hes right.... it is feeding into the cycle. you're basically saying; if I bleach my skin, I get more stuff because I'm more or less a whiter version now. where in fact people should learn to co-exist, be able to see through the colour of someones skin and see their qualities and what they bring to the table.

[@lexi.s1678]

@@SpiritzOfTheEmpororexactly.

[@KFA8piece]

@@SpiritzOfTheEmpororyes it feeds into the cycle, but I also can’t exactly blame someone for trying to fit into the accepted “in group” to get access to the benefits and not struggle so much. Nobody wants or likes to struggle. We all want to find a path of least resistance. If the rules of the game aren’t changing to lift up and support everyone, you are going to see people play the game to get the end goal they want. It’s a no win situation really.

[@Malichannels22]

Yes. I thought I was the only person who noticed when he said this.

[@bethelll]

When they were talking about dating & relationships, I wish they'd also talked about black men's colourism towards black women. I'm a dark skinned black girl (still in highschool) and I hear discrimination everywhere, in media, at school etc. Even when these men have their podcasts etc. and the "high value men" are only ever with women that aren't black. Many times I feel it subtly as well. Like the woman in braids said, it's always us being called loud, ghetto, not datable, wild, we can't be married, rachet etc. and it's disgusting. Here it's like, a black guy dating a light skinned girl is an achievement. dating a dark skin is okay but if she's super light, he's done it. It's even how all the boys only talk about pretty white girls but it's never a black girl being mentioned. I know that i should just move on and focus on things that actually matter in life but i'm at an age where it does hurt and it does affect me. Even among us girls as well, it's like the"whiter" my hair looks, the more it gets complimented. it's like, where were those compliments when I had my afro out, when I had my twists & cornrows? huh? I try not to build resentment but when I'm being congratulated for getting lighter and being darker is seen as a bad thing, i can't help it. Back to my first statement, black men could & should be held partially responsible for it. For treating us dark skin black women like we're aliens when in fact, we're just the female versions of them. It's things like making "preferences" that somehow always have to bring black women down. I emphasis on this because I think that if we as human beings want to make a change, we must start within. we should look at what goes on inside our communities first, because what goes on in the inside reflects on the outside. Yeah i'm young and still have a lot more life & wisdom to get through but I just hate seeing black women be immediately judged and put down because of our skin.

[@libfuzzy4629]

Stop caring about what black men think, open your options to men of other races. Trust me you are desirable

[@Wetesk53]

Word of advice, try as much as possible to not surround yourself with those self hating boys so you don’t become a target and engage in extracurricular activities that’ll expose you to the broader world and different kinds of people outside your cocoon ❤.

[@SwiftySanders]

Yeah it's even in the rap music.

[@MaleahsDiary]

Thank you for commenting about this. Please try to stay off of social media or at least block pages that promote colorist views. Life will get better, please volunteer, feed the hungry, take martial arts classes, stay out and about. Also, guys of different ethnicities like dark women.

[@km-ip9kz]

Very well articulated

[@DWEthiopia]

Colorism is definitely a real thing BUT to hear the lady in the pink ACCEPT it as a power that can't be beaten is truly depressing. Not only does she accept it, but she decided to also help promote it and capitalize on it with her skin bleaching business.

[@zendiya1895]

Yea like wtf

[@lu-vly]

The girl in pink that sells the lightening product was the most honest one on the panel.

[@bobbyrandomguy1489]

Thats the newest popular mindset. Absolute victim mentality. So pathetic.

[@allen3339]

@@bobbyrandomguy1489 I think you missed what was said. I believe what the original post was trying to address is how the young lady in the corner (because there were a few other women wearing pink) took her insecurities, tried to fix them with bleaching and is now capitalizing off of other’s insecurities.

[@bobbyrandomguy1489]

@@allen3339 Fair enough. I watched about a total of a minute. My comment was probably not appropriate or accurate. But 1 minute in someone said they "identify" as mixed race or whatever so I turned it off. You dont identify with anything lmao. Thats what you are!

[@ethylmethacrylate]

His responses to sis in the turtleneck are so wildly inappropriate and aggressive. He really needs to check himself.

[@itzallaboutadalia]

The woman who skin bleached I felt bad for her and it was sad that she felt she needed to skin bleach to get the life she desired. However once she said she sold skin bleaching cream that made me angry and she definitely got the side eye from me because she's profiting off of this horrible insecurity of dark skin men and women which only exacerbate the colorism issue. Not even including how dangerous skin bleaching can be and how you can't reverse it.

[@namename2040]

Kinda like how people make profits from women hating themselves and thinking they are ugly without makeup. There are many beauty things that are harmful for your skin but it's promoted because women wanna be beautiful. There are many predatory practices in makeup but skin bleaching is worse becuase being lighter skin is better? Maybe you don't support makeup but the woman's point was if you do support make and not skin bleaching you a hypocrite becuase they both have disgusting implications when you did deep

[@russia4biden221]

Maybe black people should stop lying about oppression, you aren't oppressed anymore. Stop living in a fantasy

[@itzallaboutadalia]

@@namename2040 honestly I don’t think makeup and skin bleaching are the same and they don’t have the same side effects. When I put on makeup I can wash it off but when u skin bleach you cannot wash that off. Skin bleaching can lead to kidney failure, lung damage, skin cancer etc and makeup typically doesn’t cause that kind of damage as makeup tends to be more regulated then skin bleaching products. Just like skin bleaching is bad I also think going into tanning beds are bad because of the health risks. I also think it’s sad if people use makeup to lighten themselves but I don’t think makeup and skin bleaching are the same thing and I don’t think that makes me a hypocrite. And also why do women have to feel ugly to want to wear makeup. I’m fine with and without wearing makeup and most women are and a lot of women see it as an art form and use it for fun so yes are some women insecure and need makeup to feel better about themselves yes but it’s not the majority. And there are many industries that also profit off of men’s insecurities as well.

[@namename2040]

@@itzallaboutadalia I would greatly disagree that it's not the majority. Especially when it's pushed at such a young age for females. Women who don't wear makeup get judged and thought lesser than for makeup. There are many women who get self conscious when seen without makeup believing it to be their face. Makeup companies don't make their money from people who just do it for fun. They make their money from the many insecure women. Also makeup also can many negative effects like cancer for one especially if you use you consistently and you know believe it to be your face and can't live without it. Clogging up pores, make you age harder possibly leading you into botox which is another can of worms. Personally I don't like makeup due to the insecurities it cause. I also don't think people look good with it. However I'm not against it either simply because people exist who enjoy. I basically feel the same about the skin bleaching and tanning. There are people who do them for fun. Humans are weird.

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

I can only imagine what she says about darkskin women.

[@Dice-Gamble]

WHY they didn't ask the girl (don't know her name) who had bleached her skin - just how different her life had become. And REALLY dig deep into that. Everyone else is talking from one vantage point. And yet, here you have someone who can give you two.... smh. Opportunity missed.

[@Bodybuildermom]

That's what I said too.

[@rosejames5172]

💯

[@sharkonland1104]

I think because it’s obvious…the benefits would permeate every aspect of your life…socially and economically

[@twilightseven]

They only had like 3 maybe 4 ppl share their names...no one else did..or at least showed that.

[@jazziskincare9474]

@@sharkonland1104 I totally agree with you, It does change your life, I am happier now than i have been in years.

[@faiyazedits4910]

Let’s not try to normalize skin bleaching by not calling out how horrible it’s truly is

[@Taylordessalines]

They were weak on her.

[@tafarihinds7164]

I understand that but why were they not taking the same approach with make up, that’s where I see hypocrisy

[@faiyazedits4910]

@@tafarihinds7164 Makeup can be wiped off. When you bleach your skin you are permanently causing damage to your skin for the sole purpose of lightening it. Those are two completely different things.

[@ksbesq8597]

@@faiyazedits4910 and most of those bleaching agents cause cancer!

[@Brendaglam24]

@@faiyazedits4910 if you do it and the safe way omg

[@DonnaBlackwell]

The funniest part of this conversation to me is that the vocal guy who feels that he is "light skinned," would be considered dark skinned in a lot of circles. He is not a blue vein, he's not a red bone and I don't think that he would pass the paper bag test. There is clearly something about him that wants to believe that he is light skinned and I didn't miss the fact that he identifies as "American, " which I do, but as a rejection of the myth of race. Skin color is subjective. When we start shading ourselves, we reveal our own bias. During the reconstruction, we started this nonsense and even Black people believed that the more white blood you have in your veins, the more civilized you were, forgetting how the White blood got there in the first place. There is and always has been an obvious bias about dark skinned people and to deny that is to deny reality. We need more conversations like this.

[@ladye2818]

He may not be as light as Chris Brown, but he is definitely light-skinned. He's not brown-skinned, nor is he dark-skinned like Tyrese, Lil Wayne, Diddy, nor the girl with the twists.

[@cherylnelson8716]

I wish this was longer. I could listen to this group of individuals for hours. Great thought provoking questions , experiences, and feelings that was vocalized. I appreciate the honesty with this group.

[@evesjeanz]

fr tho!

[@mkr10001]

Rude and ignorant some of them

[@lastyfirst3788]

That’s what she said

[@TheRealKenzie7711]

@@mkr10001who?

[@LuLuLately]

@@TheRealKenzie7711all of them except the man at the top right.

[@chrisballard5743]

As a black person I've NEVER experienced colorism from a non black person. A matter of fact I've had whites even compliment me on my skin tone. The only colorism I've experienced is sadly from other black ppl. So to say society discriminates, no I would say your OWN race does the most discriminating in my experience.

[@rvheem7702]

Facts

[@shay5839]

Thank you!

[@mymymaya454]

Not surprised, blacks are obsessed with skin tone and hair especially the men that’s why so many of y’all’s women are trying to look mixed like us

[@thraxxxsd]

Black isn't a race, it's a skin color. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on Earth. Neither is white.

[@rvheem7702]

@@thraxxxsd black and white are races…there is no gene for race… Race is a social construct…so while genetic haplogroups are linked to countries, there is no link to haplogroups being black, white or other. They are two separate things that your dangerously conflating.

[@kevatsavedbyYeshua]

The girl who skin bleached captures the feeling’s of colorism so well😢❤

[@evirareid1500]

Tbh she could just spoke. Having to bleach or just the fact that you can bleach says a ton. Tanning is always optional.

[@melaninmonroeeee]

@@evirareid1500 your comment literally makes no sense lol what are you even saying lol

[@kevatsavedbyYeshua]

@@melaninmonroeeee 😂Facts

[@kevatsavedbyYeshua]

@@evirareid1500 yeah, Tanning is the opposite of what she wanted to do. haha

[@jazziskincare9474]

Yes! she looks so sad when she talks about it, I understand what she is going through. I didn't bleach....I chose to lighten my skin, because i was missing out on so many things and being shunned and not liked by so many. I can deal with other races if they don't like dark skin, but it's so hard if your own people don't like you, push you out or leave you out of things, simply because your skin is so dark.....I went to a dermatologist and learned i had alot of skin damage....from the sun, i didnt know that "We" our skin could burn in the sun....and i loved being out in the sun, my whole life, once i was educated on protecting my skin from the sun, My dermatologist introduced skin products that lighten the skin not bleach the skin, So if i ever want to go back to my natural shade, i can do that, You can not go back if you bleach your skin. I am happy with my choice and i know just because you're Black does not mean you have to be Black....... So i do understand her and i know what she went through. It's sad but its true.

[@smoothie788]

I wish the guy in the upper right with the glasses and beard be quiet!

[@fitzanderson1980]

What triggered you about him?

[@myrtle4117]

He’s behaving as if he’s a moderator

[@austinsuttithomas145]

You Wanna gag who doesn't say what you wanna hear?

[@Brainiac469]

As a Lightskin black man in an African country ( South Africa ) I will admit there is a benefit in how you’re treated at school I was never searched or drug tested even once but my darker skinned friends were always under immense scrutiny . When the white boys and gals would throw parties I’d always get an invite but none of the other darker skinned kids hell even in varsity I was treated way better . There’s even this noticeable presumption of intelligence it’s really crazy .

[@snowtfl5617]

Why it’s terrible it’s not really surprising it is South Africa the place where I would say has the most racial tension in the world

[@JosephPembroke]

wow crazy dude thanks for confirming that racism exists.

[@HisIntuitivethinker]

My experience is different,I live in Nigeria and over here there is still colorism but just a different type than is seen in this video all skin types can and will get compliments if the person is beautiful but when comparing two beautiful people on the same level of beauty (features and all that) the lighter one will be seen as prettier...meaning if you had a light skin identical twin especially if your both female the lighter one will be seen as more beautiful but on a general note if your aren't pretty society will not decide you are because your light skinned although if compared to a darker person that people also consider unattractive the lighter one will win desirability but that won't put then in the pretty category. Not saying there is no bias but just stating the difference in intensity

[@dietmntdew]

I agree. There can be some benefits. But my experience in school was very much the opposite. Ppl would make fun of me and say I’m not blk enough or that I’m yt

[@willtheethrill]

As a lightskin black man in America, there are no benefits.

[@265omg]

If feel so bad for the skin bleached girl. Not only has she lost all hope for social change on issue, but she's internalized the trauma so bad that she has a financial incentive to keep change from happening !

[@bamboosho0t]

Sammy Sosa.

[@dakota3872]

yup

[@waveofayougen1941]

She just a weak minded woman influenced by social media more than herself, people that give random strangers more power over there own personal lives will never be happy in any form trying to please other people, and be accepted by them. Nothing to feel bad over she just a lost one, promoting the wrong message.

[@Sxmesia]

@@daftwod wow and to think that you listen to some of the same bands as me, you have no soul for rock, your just a racist like the rest.

[@zannys5133]

@@dakota3872 ??

[@Zizzynorwe]

Pink dress for the win, I love the way she didn’t allow them to bully the other girl.

[@schouvler25]

Too bad she cant hold herself accountable

[@Kingofthenet2]

True

[@shazj1842]

Where are the dark skin bros? That's a huge omission from the topic.

[@Sive_Nyanda]

Girl with the blonde dreadlocks is so smart, ugh wish I could express myself like her, an eloquent queen ❤🫶🏾

[@magisvita2937]

If this is someone you want to be like I feel shy for you

[@Sive_Nyanda]

@@magisvita2937 okay…no need to be shady if she’s not your cup of tea. Do you boo. People be mean for no darn reason online 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@candysykes8973]

Yes! I love it

[@blutrashbag]

Their pronouns are they/them, im pretty sure they said it in the beginning of the video

[@thehoneyeffect]

Does anyone know their @? SHES AMAZING!!

[@chimmychimchim6143]

The girl who bleached her skin’s story is absolutely sad. And I feel so bad that she leaned into the bad past experiences and bleached her skin. And what made me more sad is that she’s allowing others to do the same with her product. Makeup changes ur features, it can be a layer of paint over ur skin and CAN change ur skin tone temporarily depending on what shade you use. Bleaching is literally removing pigment and melanin from ur skin PERMANENTLY- u can’t even be out in the sun too long becuz it could burn. There absolutely is a difference. I hope this convo was sumn that could motivate her to change her mindset and heal.

[@fundash5124]

True.

[@jazziskincare9474]

Just like when lighter skin people go in the sun, They have to use sun screen, when a person lightens their skin, We also have to protect our skin as well. I feel an adult can make their own decisions, If they want to lighten their skin, they can. People get breast jobs, nose jobs, even getting junk injected into their butts! So if someone wants to lighten up their skin they should be able to. Hands down!

[@fundash5124]

@@jazziskincare9474 No, it's different when person use bleaching cream to lighten their skin than a person born with light skin the sun affects them differently. These people are more likely to get skin cancer and doctors afraid to operate on them.

[@chimmychimchim6143]

@@jazziskincare9474 and people die from plastic surgeries all all the time. Skin bleaching also comes with its own health hazards. Also why are we allowing the Eurocentric beauty standards to push us to bleach our skin. We are black people our skin comes in many different shades why should light skin be the better shade. I’m sorry but it isn’t ok to bleach ur skin there’s health hazards and also it’s not right. We need to start learning to accept that there’s nothing wrong with being dark skinned and being dark skinned doesn’t make anyone less than. I blame society for these standards but the black community also takes some of the blame for still leaning into these standards.

[@benygames7399]

@@chimmychimchim6143 smh you really think you are a victim "eurocentric beauty standards" every country has different beauty standards sometimes you cant just blame someone for something because you dont like it, also everyone learned that being black was ok when they were 2

[@jadesmith7983]

I appreciate the biracial women for being very honest and upfront about her privilege as a white passing woman. It was unfortunate, though, to see the 2 black men deny colorism the most.

[@QuadriviumNumbers]

Interesting....

[@lisaadams780]

Black men do not experience colorism like Black women. Often they are the ones who are colorist in Black communities.

[@JamieBleu]

I don't think they denied colorism more than that they spoke from their place in it as light to medium brown skinned men. It's confusing when you are in the middle. Not very dark but also not very light.

[@jadesmith7983]

@JamieBleu I honestly don't remember this whole debate anymore. I just know women today seem to have an issue more with colorism than men. Which, in turn, can make them feel like it's not an issue.

[@jadesmith7983]

@KamWinn-yl4fr You clearly don't know what colorism is, so let me help you. Colorism is the discrimination against people with darker skin tones. So, how can lightskin ppl experience colorism, too 🤔? And just because they assume something gets labeled colorism when THEY don't think it is does not make their opinion valid. Yes, Some blk ppl can overdue racism or even colorism, but acknowledging a problem still exists helps to come up with solutions. I'm not campaigning for anyone to live as a victim.

[@shemiibrahim817]

unfortunately being lighter skinned is a social currency. I find that most times people (women) that say 'ooh do not bleach' are racially ambiguous and have no idea what dark women especially go through.

[@Myarowell]

I would be lying if i said i didnt judged the girl who bleached her skin. But she told NO LIES... and i am so amazed by her transparency and honesty and commend her for that.. this is a beautiful group of people and I liked all of their input.

[@TheCmovius]

I think it’s sad that she felt she had to bleach her skin. No judgement from me, just compassion.

[@nigelhenriques1298]

I am shocked they didn't mention this- skin bleaching, is unregulated in many places, and can be very toxic and damaging. Like we are talking mercury poisoning. The history of skin bleaching is also so different then the history of people using makeup. Makeup is also reversible, skin bleaching...is not. From that guy talking about the gay community, and the preferences towards dark skinned men- thats called fetishization, and is probably an even stronger indicator of colorism. I get playing the devil's advocate but.....the arguments against colorism were bad. To add, as someone who felt that pressure, if you are young and reading this- please don't waste your singular life trying to be lighter. Its not worth it. Trust me.

[@geriatricmillennial.5160]

👏🏿

[@snypemyers2972]

It is interesting that he only talked about the preference of "white boys" but not the preferences of the people of color in that community. Someone should have asked him about that and what HIS color preferences are within that context.

[@Brendaglam24]

Just do your research not every skin whitening is harmful

[@sarathemd08]

@Iamb there's skin whitening to even out skin tone damaged by acne, sunburn etc and then there's the skin bleaching masked as skin whitening that contains harmful chemicals that damage the skin and even affect internal organs. Yes, i know the difference. Why? Im a skincare formulator living in one of the worst cases of skin bleaching masking as skin whitening in Africa - Nigeria.

[@Brendaglam24]

@@sarathemd08 ok who cares not all product contain harmful ingredients

[@Rico_5551]

How many cameras do they have filming at one time ? The camera man cutting to certain people after certain things are said rather intentionally or not is absolutely hilarious. Give him a raise. Or the editing persons

[@alison5009]

Yes, some of the reactions are humorous.

[@ima.m.1658]

Or camera woman.

[@LanceJohn]

They probably got about 3 to 4, one of them is def on a slider and others might be PTZ. This is probably best done with a switcher to save time.

[@LanceJohn]

Now the most significant issue here isn't the cams. It's the mics. That many mics are a nightmare to manage, even in real time. There is heavy cutting cause they don't have much cross talk.

[@WatchSicarioWin]

@@LanceJohn it was a slider and 2 other camera ppl

[@Missgetoknowme]

My son who is dark skin had a student who is light skin tell him " hey go pick my cotton" this mess start early and it's a learned behavior

[@BdogFinal14]

First, where did they find those two uninformed brothas. They are not representative, there are more intelligent and informed brothas out there. I wish my son or daughter could have attended. The young women represented themselves well. I’m a light skin black man and yes, colorism is real.

[@dianakhumalo6905]

I feel for the lady who bleached her skin because as much as people judge dark skinned women who decide to do that, there's a lack of acknowledgement of how dark skinned black women are treated. Knowing the dangers and possible negative health consequences skin bleaching has and still deciding to risk your health shows that it's not an easy decision to make yet those who do it feel as if they have been backed into a corner. Everybody wants to feel like they belong, nobody wants to be discriminated against, especially in their own community. It takes a lot of self-esteem to not be affected by these constant societal reminders of how unworthy and unwanted you are because you're so far from whiteness. Toni Morrison articulates this perfectly in The Bluest Eye.

[@samurachi420]

look at Hollywood, they all darken themselves. Ariana grande is not a natural color. that "tan" is what they are striving for. (not all, but its multi faceted and more gray than black and white, pun intended)

[@russia4biden221]

Lack of acknowledgment? Lmao of what? Of all the free handouts they get? Black people have it easier than any other race on earth. Stop living in the 1950s.

[@jazziskincare9474]

Thank you so much for this......This comment shows me that you understand "the struggle" Yes i lightened my skin and my life has changed, I researched before i began lightening my skin, You have to know what is in a product BEFORE you start using it. There are more natural ways to lighten the skin, without causing damage to the skin, those are the ways i have been using and will continue to use. It is really sad that this is still happening in the world, but we can plainly see it is not going anywhere and will always be here. It sickens me when a friend of mine who is Indian, married a Indian man, and their baby has a darker skin tone and my friend's family treats the baby different from the other kids in the family, So here we see it's happening in every background, not just in the black community.

[@benygames7399]

nope stop playing the victim no one is treated differently because of there skin color smh

[@witchplease9695]

@@benygames7399You are delusional. Racism is real no matter how much you try to gaslight us

[@HurricaneLisa]

Kelvin made it an extreme point to highlight the fact that the other panelists experiences were internalized and brought forward the fact that reverse colorism exists. In the end his own *experience* was that he doesn’t get chosen for roles bc he’s not dark enough and more importantly that his love interests (white men) don’t see him as desirable bc he’s not a dark skinned man. Kelvin, your personalized biases should not negate the true fact that colorism exists just because you can’t get a job or a boyfriend 😑

[@taotaostrong]

He also fails to consider that he may not be getting jobs and relationships because he’s obnoxious. He’s a bad listener. He’s condescending, and he cuts people off when they speak.

[@Sue_me347]

His delivery was terrible but it’s an overall valid point. It does exist. Light skin men overall are overly feminized (by men and women). It’s just as offensive as masculinizing dark skin women. There’s thousands of videos about the unfair treatment of dark skin women (which I do agree is a problem) but the plight of light skin men is something that’s often overlooked and laughed off

[@lilbabe949]

Reverse colorism does NOT exist ​@@Sue_me347

[@In-Gall_Tegidda_n_Tesemt]

Is Kelvin the guy in the back with the glasses that thinks he’s Christopher Reid or Jasmine Guy?! If so… there is something deeply wrong with that guy… and he’s attracted to white men… that says a lot… he is disturbed…

[@lashakelly1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 so true. Geesh

[@alexiswillie]

Amanda Seales Small Doses episode with Don’t Call Me White Girl is a great episode about bullying versus colorism. She explains that colorism works in one direction based on the further you are from whiteness. These are important convos.

[@kimberlyreynolds4646]

I’m so grateful to my mother who never allowed me and my siblings to buy into colorism. RIH Mama. 🙏🏽

[@peacehappyb237]

Yesss.Same..

[@jasminerosewater3891]

SAME

[@run2cat4run]

Same here

[@afrominded]

Same!

[@hell2thennnaw]

Your statement makes it sound like you don't think it exists? Please clarify if you don't mind

[@Enwazzirb]

It'd be interesting to see uncut versions of these as well. The editing makes for a nice quick-ish/cohesive video, but there do seem to be obvious points where the dialog kept going. I love the longer format discussion videos and could do with even longer, since these conversations have been so good.

[@ninessaid]

this biggest issue is having light skin folks there - like what’s the point…I know some folks who were in the room were seemingly on code but there were only two deep dark skin femmes in the space…so the convo was already not about to center them…

[@godsgirl7201]

🧐🧐

[@godsgirl7201]

​@@ninessaid and more men maybe good point

[@adongakot4480]

@@ninessaid yeah im wondering why there was more light skin ppl than not...

[@sad20yrold]

​@@ninessaid you do know that this was about race right? And not everyone there was black?

[@ThoseNigerianTwins]

The girl in the pink dress, thank you!! Saying the things that needed to be said. Talking about "shame, you bleach your skin", OKAY... Talk about why they wanted to in the first place...

[@Chronz]

She was so ignorant lol

[@lolaispure4296]

​​@@Chronz very. Comabative and self hating. I wish her PEACE.

[@bobbyaintnooneschild4971]

Did anyone else read this and go "How?"

[@Ilayshaa]

@@Chronz agreed

[@lindseydrew9812]

They use they/them pronouns

[@marielledjamou4681]

When Kelvin said “I am an American” that’s all we needed to know 1:25

[@bignasty389]

He won my heart in less than ninety seconds.

[@ArmandyLaPearl]

My mom is lighter skin and I’m so happy that I never felt any pressure to be light skinned. 😍😍 she always told me I was beautiful as well as my dad. 🙏🏾

[@semprequevoceleroscomentar1063]

She lied to you

[@SugaMoo]

@@semprequevoceleroscomentar1063 you lying to yourself

[@ShamsiaK]

My mom is brown and my dad was light. We never discussed skin tone in our family. Thank God.

[@forgiveness_denied]

black people complain that nobody takes them in hollywood or beauty industry😄 do your own hollywood then 🤡

[@ArmandyLaPearl]

@@SugaMoo exactly ugh lol

[@kenagirlsings]

I wonder how different the conversation would have been had Kelvin approached this situation as an open discussion rather than a debate to be won. He was quick to defend those who supported his belief that colorism is completely self esteem oriented, such as the woman who skin bleached. But the second anyone spoke out out against the real world systemic effects of colorism he was up in arms or would question without the goal of listening, but to debunk the opinion of whom he’s questioning.

[@Mesharae]

Her trying to compare skin bleaching to makeup is WILDDDDD

[@john2g1]

The dude claiming that being told you're not dark enough to be Black by a Black person, is the Blackest thing that can happen to you is WILD. Is it bro? Really? If that was true 90% of the Black people on the panel would have either been told that or said it to another person lighter than themselves.

[@bro-ss2eu]

It is both uphold an institute of opression

[@Nadia-jk5jw]

@@john2g1 replying super late but he definitely has internalised anti-blackness. him seeing struggle & discrimination as the most black experience is so indicative of that. also, his dating experience was a clear example of how colourism hyper-sexualises and negatively impacts darkskin men. having ur humanity reduced to a BBC is not a privilege darkskin gay men have over lightskin gay men.

[@john2g1]

@@Nadia-jk5jw Yeah I have mixed feelings about these Vice panels. In order to ensure healthy debate most of the people on the panels are some form of influencer or media personality. On the upside this is good; you get predictability when it comes to having opposing opinions to questions asked. Additionally, you have articulate panelists who have thought out their arguments and opinions. On the downside actual conversations rarely happen, and instead you get people pushing their agenda (especially professional influencers). When someone has an opinion based on things that are factually untrue they come off as crazy, and unfortunately echo chamber people that share their beliefs.

[@humansolarian]

​​@@bro-ss2eu i think that depends how u use makeup... if youre saying makeup in the sense of "presentability" then i can see how we conflate the two, however makeup can be removed and the comparison becomes ludicrous when u see how that other guy applied makeup which isnt meant to look natural and thats where the problem with bleaching misses its validity in comparison to makeup. There are no multi billionaire companies for markets where people are permanently trying to dye their skin green however with makeup its not relatively strange to see green .

[@victoriaellison4340]

As soon as dude said white men prefer darker skin men - everything made sense.

[@michaelmcclelland2208]

As a light-skinned black dude I want to acknowledge that even though I haven't perceived any advantage due to my color, colorism does seem to exist. This taught me a thing or two about other people's perspectives regarding colorism. Also, to my dark-skinned sisters, I think you're complexion is a thing of beauty!

[@Cindy99765]

There absolutely is a serious colorism problem in many countries around the world, leading to a billion dollar bleaching industry. It is very sad, especially in parts of India, where people bleach their skin to get better chances of good paying jobs.

[@michaelmcclelland2208]

@@Cindy99765 Agreed, darker skin is just a result of more melanin, which decreases the chance of getting skin cancer and sunburn. It is natural and healthy, yet looked down on for no good reason.

[@mansamusa2012]

During the 80’s dark skinned brothers caught hell from black women! Till this day it goes on but nobody talks about regarding men.

[@madirocks20004]

can i add ; as a light skin women we won't necessarily see those advantages we have, but a public example of colorism is the sexualization of light skins

[@ricorodriguez8141]

@@Cindy99765 That's BS! A Indian doctor or software engineer does not need to bleach his skin to get a good paying job. Now actors or flight attendants on the other hand might need to do that.

[@Time4change111]

This made me cry. Racism, colorism and hate of all races has to STOP.

[@CHELSEABuckhannon]

It's really sad

[@mathewpatterson2187]

As a white dude this is so eye opening to the struggles and adversity people of colour face and I mean that with all due respect. The girl talking about bleaching almost made me want to cry that someone would go to that length to try and change their appearance so that they fit better or feel better in society. My honest belief is there is no one in this world that isn't beautiful, no matter your colour or features we are all beautiful beings and i wish society saw it that way. And if you have a partner or family member who can't see the beauty in you then that's their problem not yours.

[@lailajeanyusays6812]

Society is white supremacy

[@tropicalstormxox9444]

Thats the thing you cry for 2 minutes, give ‘motivational words’ and go back to systems and structures which benefit you and have disenfranchised people for generation to generation while you sit there doing nothing about it but ‘crying’ . Performative white liberalism makes me sick !

[@courageoviawe1815]

I totally agree with you, I felt so bad for her😩💔

[@animall4792]

Was you watching a different video to myself? Also as a white dude I watched this and only thought how racist these people were towards us. The fact the 1 girl actually spelled it out and all the panel nodded their heads by saying "there's no such thing as reverse racism". I agree, racism is just racism, regardless of color/sex/religion. Then she sat there with the rest of them and blamed their whole life problems at the hands of the 'privileged' white race. So imagine a group of white people in a room having this exact same discussion about black people. IT would have been labeled a KKK meeting. The hypocrisy is unreal. And just to reference your shock and horror for the lady bleaching her skin, watch it back. Her main driving reason was because she saw the males around her wanting and desiring lighter skin girls so she wanted to be desired too.......... she did it for guys attention. How is that heartbreaking and the fault of white people. Get in the real world ffs. Your attempt at being woke doesn't impress anyone lol

[@Brendaglam24]

@@courageoviawe1815why feel bad for girls who tanning too

[@angelaconnell8331]

I am biracial as well; my father is white (Jewish) and my mother is African-American. However, I am light-skinned with curly hair and pass for White or Hispanic. I get treated differently often by people who don't know I'm biracial. They assume that I am not "black enough" so I cannot add to the conversation. It makes me very sad because I grew up mostly with my mom's family and their customs. When I am treated differently, I feel like my own people reject me.

[@TeeBee-yj5tt]

How do the Jewish treat you????💅🏿💅🏿💄🥱🥱🥱🥴😏💞🇺🇸💜💜🤞🏿

[@angelaconnell8331]

@@TeeBee-yj5tt Before, they were okay with it and liked my mom but over the last few years, they have become estranged. I’ve never personally met any of them.

[@TeeBee-yj5tt]

@@angelaconnell8331 so yes ever race has skin color issues, I just say people love pointing out the family that was there faults, because they still long for even acknowledgement for the white side that wasn't...🤞🏿💅🏿💅🏿💅🏿💯💞🇺🇸🌍

[@K.DaWriterKid]

Light skin is a term used in the black race. If your biracial, your biracial with a lighter complexion. But your not considered light skin.

[@Dukedozzit]

Use the light skin privileges , might as well .

[@NewOrleansGirl]

You would’ve thought the guy with the glasses was the lightest one in the room…

[@Ucerrrzcb939]

Seriously!

[@TheRealJedidah]

I'm sorry this made me laugh. Really tho wow

[@Kingofthenet2]

Word 😂😂😂😂

[@pelomasebelanga]

I kept looking at him like ????

[@arieljohnson6014]

Imm screaming 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@leomills4198]

The girl in the pink who bleached I really appreciate her honesty I feel her pain I think she looks great regardless if bleach or not ❤

[@QuadriviumNumbers]

She's not in pain, she sells bleaching cream, she's from da hood and she thinks she is way "prettier" as a light skin!

[@Original-Michiko]

@@QuadriviumNumbersYou are part of the problem.

[@randomworld4615]

As a black woman , I would never ever say I’m at the bottom of the barrow. That’s crazy to me.

[@fitzanderson1980]

Do you bleach?

[@bigdaddy3621]

Maybe you aren't looking at the world around you baby. White men, white women, minority men, minority women. That is the order.

[@o.g.d.7572]

I don't think that is what she was saying. I believe what she was saying was that society places black women at the bottom of the barrel, which is true. The book, Faces at the Bottom of the Well, by Derrick Bell really explores how black women are placed at the lowest level in society.

[@oben9514]

You didnt listen, It's not about you as individual, She clearly meant as groups.

[@AnaSpeirs]

*Barrel

[@LeaOhanyan-ji4gj]

can someone tell me where to find the person in pink (center)? I would like to listen to more of their opinions/thoughts

[@akshaypadmashali8686]

As an Indian... I feel we have perfected colorism in my country... We are so specific with our colorism it's brewed to perfection 😂😂

[@drewbranch7700]

Dammmmn Akshay Padmashali……👀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[@abinayashree7410]

white skinned people against bleaching and getting fair is only because, they are scared that the black will turn white, and more competition for them to survive, in this male dominated world ["slowly" female overcoming]. They want to leave the black to feel bad about themselves inside [they know it] and say "love yourself", " you're beautiful", while they can choose to be tanned or wear make up or stay white. What percent of people who already born white, like to be dark-skinned and stay with that forever in this current world and survive the future with it, if given a choice?!

[@QuadriviumNumbers]

Not funny Indian soy!

[@meahmeah4503]

That’s not something to be proud of

[@anulikaudensi4987]

​​@@meahmeah4503 they never said they were

[@zainabkamal5957]

I hate when people judge black women for bleaching their skin, when most of us had a horrible experience because of our color. Being from Africa where everyone is black and still experience extreme colorism is so sad, I was bullied by family and friends growing up and it messes one up.

[@Brendaglam24]

Right but i didn’t got bullied for my skin I just got that in the media growing up

[@Calypsoow]

So what you will become white ??

[@Theinsideoutsider]

This is tough. I empathize with any black woman that has had to deal with colorism. I get it. I have 4 daughters that I make sure I am in tuned with how theyre feeling and I make sure I explain that the world we live in may have skewed values and it may directly or indirectly impact you. Especially living in the US. With that said bleaching my skin or them resorting to it would mean I failed and they gave up. The problem is you are changing yourself because others are controlling how YOU feel about yourself and thats the problem

[@lostpotato5080]

You were bullied? Ur pretty as hell😭

[@kriskanei7369]

“If you’re looking for racism and colorism you will find it.” Racism and colorism show up everyday of our lives. You don’t look for it, YOU EXPERIENCE IT. No one would want to look for discrimination. 🤔

[@oooooba8343]

some people definitely try to look for it or blame every issue they face on racism

[@eventplanner461]

​​@@oooooba8343 bruh colorism is so blatant and in your face though. I can't even count the amount of times I've been called burnt. The times I've heard fellow dark skin black people say they have to marry lighter or white so that their child doesn't come out too black. She's too black, he's too black. We can't see you in the dark. And just plain dark skin is ugly. It's the denial that you guys keep trying to push. Even in families there is a hierarchy between light and dark tones. It's a shame she's not as light as her siblings or cousin. Like come on🙄

[@kriskanei7369]

@@oooooba8343 Where there’s smoke…. 🫠

[@lisbeth6911]

My co-worker is much younger than I & often changes up her hairstyle (btw, somewhat lighter complexion) often too. For a while, she wore a straight styled weave & the white males in the office loved it (& expressed same!) A few weeks later, she wore braids & you guessed it - she didn’t get the same attention as before. She is still the same beautiful young lady yet one guy even had the nerve to tell her that he liked her straight hair better.😳

[@michaelmcdougall7367]

Why do you care what people think.

[@G.G_one]

I liked hearing the women in the pink dress with the blonde dreads. Something about her vibe and aurora was relaxing and peaceful. We need more of her.

[@juanapesce1863]

they go by they/them

[@kel8026]

HAHAHA you just totally got cancelled

[@JamzYamz7]

She actually seems like a bully

[@adaezeashiedu6309]

@@JamzYamz7what made her seem like a bully?

[@G.G_one]

@@juanapesce1863 You're right. I had to rewatch the vid from the beginning and noticed she goes by those pronouns.

[@otii_og]

What she's saying at 22:33 is very true. As an African my experience with race is vastly different being in a predominantly black country I can't speak about other people's experiences in other countries although colorism and skin bleaching is a problem it's not as bad for me here than say someone in the western part of the world.

[@idisbrioso4645]

The guy with the glasses was passing me off. I felt erased and devalued as he discredited lived experiences of colorism. Statistics are real. The numbers don't lie. Trends are real, and cultures shift because of them. Do we have better opportunities and choices now than 20 years ago? Of course, but we can not negate colorism, which has been a very strong force. It has such a strong hold in the Caribbean, Latino, Asian cultures, too. Not just black experiences.

[@mnlyt2942]

No no no. No using Latinos, Caribbean, Asians, etc. that’s just using to win an argument. Like pink dress said there’s no reverse colorism. Only including other races to accomplish a victory. Then not including them when it doesn’t benefit you

[@nobodyme349]

You're so right. Also, he contradicted himself for the most part in this video. His argument was that these isms are not always real and can often be fueled by confirmation bias but simultaneous was actively trying to make an argument that he, as a light-skinned man experiences colourism at the hands of darker skinned people. It makes you wonder what he actually believes. If he only sees the systems of oppression only when he believes he's at the receiving hand or if he believes they don't really have that much of an impact beyond what we give them.

[@Herenthere2009]

People need to realize that colorism should apply across the board, as one comment on this video pointed out. And as the guy in the front pointed out. There are both negatives and positives across the board for how various colors of people are treated. And for any who don’t agree, PLEASE pursue actually ASKING me about my experiences which have brought me to this conclusion that it is indeed being experienced across the board. Racism and colorism both exist for more than just one race or color. As a white woman, I have been through things I shouldn’t have had to go through also-racist and colorist things-ever since I was a child. And my children now also have. It is NOT ok. Whether white, brown, black, etc… NONE OF IT is ok to entertain/facilitate. ALL of it needs to stop. People should just be seen as PEOPLE. Estimating a person for the inherent personal value of who they are is what is important.

[@akiyatiffany]

@@Herenthere2009ism and experiences are two different things. Isms cannot be reversed. It’s statistics, systemic, organized, intentionally formulated and structured.

[@solaade8297]

Seeing racism as only systemic is a big problem within the black community. Calling prejudices/discrimination behaviour against lighter skin people by darker skin people reverse colourism and not just colourism is where I see a problem. Screaming reverse racism and reverse colourism does not exist is where I see a problem. Trying to categorise their racism/colourism as less than with words like reverse is where I see a problem. Racism and colourism does exist regardless and it’s not always institutional. Why are we giving a pass to discriminate against one another and say, because the discrimination is not systemic it’s not racism/colourism? That’s crazy…..

[@IAmTheoracle007]

These two dudes in their consistent attempt to hijack that young ladies conversation in the pink dress and the black jacket, just floored me! As these two women spoken their personal experiences and how they viewed the system, these dudes acted as if they never had any such experiences every time these two women open their mouths, they were jump on whatever they were saying like vultures, I despise these two. Even as the biracial or white women and men spoke, only did they calm down and actually listened

[@kida758]

SO agree with this as an lgbt male! The 2 black men were a downright embarrassment. With the one in the upper right constantly referring to himself as being "light-skinned"...which he is not. The gay men nor Hollywood wouldn't see him any differently than a darker-skinned "BBC". Delusional. Him and the other black guy kept diminishing the conversation with their literal white supremacist-induced gaslighting of everyone else's valid points. You can tell they've grown up their whole lives catering to white people....or so used to being the "BBC" to white/nonblack women and men that they actually believe they're immune to colorism themselves. They don't actually care about black issues....hence their gaslighting. Ironically, the actual mixed/light skinned black guy with the red dreads made some great points....and should've been the representative for black men as opposed to the other 2 men in the sunken place.

[@IAmTheoracle007]

@@kida758 I can't believe it, I was thinking the same thing concerning the biracial lgbtq male, I could not believe that that guy thought he was light-skinned? I had only skimmed through all of the comments and I wondered if I was the only one who noticed that this was going on? They were both delusional! Wake up calls always happen to people who refuse or pretend like they could never be in other people's shoes and other people are delusional

[@libfuzzy4629]

Black women please realize that black men are not pro black. Yall need to burn yall capes and worry about your selves. Black males at large are concerned with white validation

[@IAmTheoracle007]

@@libfuzzy4629 no lies have been detected in this statement, and it has been approved by the Oracle 007

[@inmytravelstoday]

They were so annoying and disrespectful.

[@antoinettekminor]

This was a very good discussion. I would love to see this convo divided between men and women because while the struggle is real for both, the men in this convo definitely have a different outlook and are impacted in a different way.

[@SwiftySanders]

That's a very good point that having so many women and non-binary people on the panel missed. It would've been a more productive conversation if the black men's weren't simply dismissed by the other people in the panel.

[@qianaroyal1096]

Yeah I'm ngl watching this now I feel like cuz their views were so on the other side they couldn't really get to debate their topic and it was just 2 of them. It was even crazier when the glasses guy was trying to say something and the interviewer switched it to another person. N I feel like they could've had a conversation exploring colorism within the gay community or just generally the effects on me.

[@tracyi9152]

I disagree the concept was good but the panel was lacking. Its not so clear cutt because as I stated there are rich successful dark skinned blacks in America. They needed to have more confident dark skinned black people on the panel. People shouldnt think all dark skin people think they are victims. Its a one sided discussion.

[@antoinettekminor]

@@tracyi9152 That’s interesting. With the exception of the woman who bleached her skin, these people didn’t appear to me that they lacked confidence. I think having confidence and experiencing colorism are not linked. So I didn’t see these folks as victims but as people who have experienced or even overcame the barriers of colorism.

[@tracyi9152]

​@@antoinettekminor All the black women on the panel had low self esteem and were a terrible representation. First the big huge girl in the pink with the rainbow nails needs a serious makeover and excercise plan , then the dreaded girl. If you walk around thinking you are being treated less then you do lack confidence if they didnt they would not accept the lies. As I stated there are a lot of rich successful dark skinned black women with husbands and good lives. They are not affected but colorism. But every black person no matter how dark or light is affected by white supremacy. Also it depends on where you live. \

[@tomoriablaylock3011]

Please continue this conversation!! It’s very interesting hearing different peoples stories about colorism. I am a brown skinned black women who used to be very dark as a child. So everything that they said just took me back yo being a kid again. I just want everybody to know your skin is beautiful; no matter how dark it is. Especially little girls dealing with low self esteem don’t you ever for a second doubt your beauty!

[@BBunny11]

Yes! I was darker as a child too. The treatment I got after getting lighter & people pointing out my hair is of a looser texture was so strange. I still struggle to feel enough.

[@lorileew2337]

​@@BBunny11 Be proud when people complement you on being beautiful.. It's okay to say Thank them for their compliments and be proud .. You're very lucky to have the natural hair type that you have so be proud of it ..

[@idrish.7449]

42:54 Mrs. bleachy is so damn helpless. Let's rid your body of all darkness and look forward to a brighter future and greater acceptance, is the message I'm getting from her.

[@stacey5163]

The comment she made about being the one in her family that people talk to, take the bill to really hit I felt her ❤

[@Pamsmith59]

I guess that depends on WHERE the family is eating -- what type of restaurant and in what area/city. EVERYTHING is dependent on many other things.

[@mzprince4139]

yes it did. It really go me thinking of colorism and the intersection of police brutality.

[@tanitaharris7211]

I think they assume she can speak English better, since she looks whiter.

[@MrGhanasbest]

@@tanitaharris7211 😂😂😂 wtf?!

[@Waevplay]

I don’t know much, but growing up light skin in Ghana, i was constantly refered to as ‘obroni’ which literally means white person. They say that mostly to mean that you are good looking just because you’re are light skin. That means that i got treated better in some occasions just because I’m light skin.

[@kwekuakoni-ampah945]

I received the opposite reaction

[@Solidude4]

It's the same in Kenya. Light skinned people get called 'mzungu' sometimes aka White person, and it comes with preferential treatment.

[@jazziskincare9474]

Yes you did.....it is no lie.....There is colorism in the African and Black race as well

[@fuzzywuzzythebackyardigans2283]

I was literally yelled at by people on the street saying obroni and children would come up to touch my hands when I lived Ghana.

[@Brendaglam24]

@@fuzzywuzzythebackyardigans2283 wow

[@liamcapobianco7843]

The woman in the pink in the middle of the upper row is extremely intelligent, informed, and educated on HER own thoughts and opinions. I love having conversations with and listening to people like that regardless of where we stand on a topic because it’s extremely healthy and important to grow that way together.

[@schouvler25]

How? She rails against materialism especially body modification while she clearly has several body modifications from her hair to her nails. Hypocrisy doesn’t scream extreme intelligence lol

[@naynay-qq1rf]

this is so true, i like how they have specific evidence READY whenever they bring a topic up and that’s something a lot of the people in this video did, it’s just a good group

[@LalaBumes-w3f]

@@schouvler25Her nails aren't something serious to focus on. The point of this whole video flew over ur head

[@schouvler25]

@@LalaBumes-w3f What flew over my head? If you’re going to make an accusation engage in some critical thinking. Just saying a point isn’t serious to you isn’t a rational thought. My point was she rails against topics like materialism while demonstrating she clearly engages in materialism. Thats hypocrisy wether you take it seriously or not

[@LalaBumes-w3f]

@@schouvler25 Because she customizes her NAILS? Are u comparing that to literal skin bleaching? Can u be serious for a quick second