LGBTQ+ Community Debates the Meaning of "Queer", Military Bans, & More (Part 1/2)

[@VICE]

Watch part 2 a day early: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZLJfaqbmZ6GidE TIMECODES OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED: 00:55 - Who identifies as a member of the LGBTQIA+ community? 1:03 - Panelist’s introductions - how do you identify yourself? 2:12 - Is Pride still relevant / useful / important? 4:41 - What is the definition of queer? Who identifies as queer? Is it a slur? Should the community embrace the term? 9:38 - Do you feel represented by acronym LGBTQIA+ ? Are there too many letters? 12:58 - Do you politically lean left or right? 12:21 - For conservatives/Republicans, who did you vote for in the last election? Do you support Trump? 15:02 - Have Trump’s policies helped or harmed the LGBTQIA+ community? 15:25 - Trump and the Central Park 5 16:59 - The military banning transgender people from serving 18:29 - Thoughts on democratic candidates for 2020 20:50 - For Lucy and Sara: if they don't vote for Trump, who are they going to vote for?

[@captainskyhawk4826]

We all know this debate is going to be biased.

[@MrPiratebrain]

If your not talking about reparations for ADOS I could care less about your cause.

[@beaubasaur808]

Cut wants reimbursement on their content you stole

[@letterl1840]

Normal

[@Absolukely]

Get a god damn chair for your interviewer !!

[@isleofflightlessducks4690]

this moderator!!!! needs to keep to herself!!! you aren't in this discussion, you're here to CONTROL IT and from what I see, when you jump in it isn't needed!!

[@StaceyFeltham]

The moderator was a poor pick. Very biased and had no interest in letting anyone speak if she didnt agree with their views

[@StaceyFeltham]

@9600GTMAN hahaha truth

[@agzuhdhdandicycidjs3230]

Well it’s the authoritarian left 🤷‍♂️

[@edurittenhouse]

Well.... VICE...

[@jdd8703]

she really liked going to Donnie a lot..

[@creatorzp]

also why does she look like a man but sound like a woman...

[@lizmoore3403]

This moderator is so biased and rude "Have you read up on the word queer? Have you googled it??"

[@TasteLikeSushi]

SERIOUSLY! Have they themself googled it? I googled it and the dictionary doesn't fucking explain, everyone has their own interpretation of queer. I still don't know what it is.

[@lizmoore3403]

@@TasteLikeSushi exactly

[@lizmoore3403]

@heehee mefunny yes!

[@serenamacedo9127]

Seriously. Like okay honey you’re really going to educate people by belittling them and being rude. Let’s see how far you get.

[@totorishop]

I agree, that was super rude! Moderators are not supposed to mock or shut down genuine questions, in which the answers could lead to clarity and understanding. They are supposed to encourage genuine questions and have it answered honestly and respectfully for the purpose of peace and understanding among people who have very different experiences and viewpoints.

[@abstru214]

The amount of disrespect against Blaire in this video makes me sick. This is not a debate, this is just a video full of people with actually good points trying to get a word in and then being silenced by the "moderator" to pacify the others who are offended by the truth.

[@cmartichick]

She spoke about this on her channel, how the black dude next to her was whispering disrespectful things to her while they weren't on camera, but we don't see it.

[@bobomochi9284]

@@cmartichickwhat vid is it?

[@nandaherhoust8628]

because their whole life is a pretending fairytale.

[@cmartichick]

@@bobomochi9284 it's one where she talks about this taping, on her channel, you'd have to search like "Blaire Vice" or something

[@Iseeyourefake]

The “truth”? Which truth? Blair is sitting their denying other people’s identities while wanting to have the last word on what trans is. Also when you are talking about identifying as something within the terms of gender or identity and you use Republican which is a political party not an identity it tells you a lot about her mindset of conflating political party and identity. She’s very ignorant.

[@enniemeanieminnie]

I hate these because their host is so biased, every single time.

[@katienorris1979]

enniemeanieminnie the host for the feminists vs. non-feminists video was a great moderator.

[@johannariddle4532]

FACTS

[@jman652000]

black conservatives vs liberals moderator was quite good as well. i didnt really like the feminist moderator tbh

[@gkurzman9919]

Only the guy from black liberals vs conservatives is good. He’s amazing

[@jacoktamborella6290]

In the black conservatives vs black liberal video, the host was very neutral. That’s a good debate if you haven’t watched it

[@JackJack-gw4nk]

The MODERATOR should NOT be expressing their personal opinions!

[@darkstarcaster]

Their* but you're right

[@JackJack-gw4nk]

Corbin Bolden lol I blame dyslexia

[@devonhughes3805]

I totally agree. The problem is that young activist types spend six figures in university to be taught that their "opinions" are truth because they "feel" like the truth. Hah. Hence the phrase "my truth". When they so self-assuredly hold the moral high-ground, why bother being an unbiased moderator? After all, you're "helping" people by lecturing them on "your truth". LOL.

[@gelora1260]

@@darkstarcaster no, its her

[@gogogadgetabby]

Right? I really do not want to see this moderator again. This is not the job for her she's got to go.

[@chilli3672]

That moderator GOTTA GOOOOOOO. so aggressive and very obviously biased.

[@ruqayyahqadri6618]

*biased

[@chilli3672]

@@ruqayyahqadri6618 thank you love

[@Alena8181snookie]

Lmao butch wannabe weakass

[@RaveyDoesStuff]

Blaire: here are my thoughts and opinions Everyone else: "I'm G0nnA sToP yOu RiGhT tHeRe"

[@chilli3672]

@@RaveyDoesStuff Ikrrrr! Got on my nerves!

[@masaglatt8117]

The fact that Blair is not allowed to speak without being cuttet off and how she’s being skipped is just the picture of this community.

[@JAGFamily10]

Cuttet ?

[@lonababery]

Agree

[@kreatywnynick4406]

*cut off /lh

[@MalachiMachiavelli]

@@JAGFamily10it’s clear what they said. Typos happen. It didn’t affect the context of the statement as a whole. Stop being pretentious

[@JAGFamily10]

@@MalachiMachiavelli how is it a typo when it’s cut.. this person thought it was cuttet off.. which makes me sad to think that’s the state of our grammar as a society :(

[@hjetnhgklhg]

I really dislike the "moderator", she made me feel like she wanted to control what people were saying or not.

[@lindasvalesen5237]

She? News to me..

[@LUCIAN8016]

All LGBTQXYZ wanted to control what people were saying or not. Sad but true..

[@TheIndependentLens]

@@lindasvalesen5237 That's not a male, so yes, "SHE."

[@natalyavalasquez9121]

francesco I hated Caleb for how rude he came off and Raquel for how ignorant and one sided she came off

[@moof4427]

@@LUCIAN8016 in general or just in this debate?

[@crispusattucks4007]

Hope VICE is seeing how many people are unhappy with this “moderator”. I really appreciate these types of discussion segments they’ve been doing recently, but they need to let the participants hash it out without biased moderator interference.

[@faithsimmerman5352]

Crispus Attucks “have you even read up on it?” He shouldnt have to justify himself or his confusion to what is supposed to be an unbiased moderator

[@katienorris1979]

The moderator for the feminists vs. non-feminists video was WAY better.

[@jodiebug1]

She really seemed fake from the get-go. I really can’t stand that tense, cringey, micromanaging style of social justice moderating. The minority report conservative and liberal black people panel had a great moderator who let the participants have a hard-hitting discussion.

[@jayylad38]

yes. the other mods were considerably less biased

[@maddie4347]

AGREED.

[@bobbotherosso8110]

Damn that moderator needs to shut up and she and some of the others need to let people finish. Mainly the conservative or republican people. I feel as if she was interrupting only the people she didn't agree with (or the ones that were making sense).

[@halfpine9952]

Still can’t get over the moderator asking “have you googled it?” when Brandon asked “what is queer?”

[@emzzzzzzzzzz]

RIGHT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO COMMENT THAT

[@royythaboi7163]

“ I’m the moderator and I identify as biased”

[@mikaylaminton4422]

They’re all biased lmao

[@mikaylaminton4422]

Biased on their own opinion which is understandable

[@EnrySilvain]

this comment, i'm crying lol

[@mor9361]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sarak114]

Mario femininity is not limited to haircuts you fool

[@davidbrennan5973]

“Hi I’m Lucy, I’m a lesbian” Idk why but I found that funny because of all the long ass intros of everyone else

[@OrangeWhale100]

David Brennan I don’t even understand what half of those long ass intros of those ‘non-binary’ people even mean lol

[@angelfrankenfine]

even Lucy found it funny. her face says it all.

[@memegoldbars7602]

David Brennan same. I was actually audibly laughing

[@EliSlayz]

I knew I wasn't the only one😂😂

[@xathenaheartx5826]

I screen recorded it for my school alarm 😭😭

[@mariamehab8940]

jesus where did they get this moderator from? so unprofessional.

[@mariam-ch4in]

Mariam Ehab she literally cut blaire off?? wtf

[@hanakokun8641]

sophie more than once too

[@babyseokjinny8794]

Vice lmao

[@Allykitts25]

“I am trans but non-binary…I am everything I am beyond.” MAKE IT MAKE SENSSEEEE (also here from Blaires video)

[@ItsMikky]

That person is a complete narcissist.

[@Carpets_are_nice556]

I was surprised when I saw this video was made 4 years ago I thought that being gay only became more popular throughout 2020-2023 I only found out about 2 years ago about all the labels

[@JalenLeee]

@@Carpets_are_nice556Being gay is most definitely not ‘popular’ there are just more OPENLY gay people now… nobody is gay to be trendy.

[@Carpets_are_nice556]

@@JalenLeeenever say nobody Because there is actually people like that And what a trend is Is just a bunch of people doing the same thing at a certain time Is that not what people are doing these days?

[@warrenamos7178]

Isnt it funny all the republicans eas just im gay im lesbian,the progressive,liberals im non binary queer ect😂 just shows what side lost there marbles.

[@Felix-ft6jt]

Worst. Moderator. Ever. Get that person fired. She made me dislike the video

[@superblazegirl]

Fucking SAME. The moderator pissed me off the entire time and really ruined the whole video.

[@gyuisthebeom]

I agree

[@TheAngel6864]

same

[@rolanddonaldson271]

She’s a detestable individual. Perpetually ignorant it’s pathetic tbh

[@leonhaku]

I think these VICE debates would be better suited if it was set up in a circle so everyone can see each other and also if the moderator can let people talk and express full opinions.

[@ouranhshc100]

I think jubilee does a better job with these debate style stuff

[@iBeFloe]

Like all the other discussions hosted by YTers? Funny how companies based around YT can make proper discussions but not a company like Vice lmao

[@sean4415]

When the LGBT community starts calling each other "you people" you definitely know you're about to jump down the rabbit hole of rabbit holes....

[@BenjiIrby]

LOL

[@alexandregrand-pierre1981]

Its even funnier because hes a black gay guy saying you people and everyone was still like "whoooah you people??"

[@bogusmcbogus2637]

I caught that too, lol. Was like "you people"??

[@blondie4lyfe245]

Sean Phillips hahaha

[@panpolyamcommentates]

Right.

[@MVangelmx]

The moderator legit had a negative bias towards Blaire, not only did she ignored her all the time she tried to silence her multiple times, yeah it sucked for Blaire.

[@iamcase1245]

This was 2019 when wokeness was at it's peak and all these idiots thought they were morally and intellectually above the rest of society. Today the moderator couldn't be as smug.

[@honeyfulminar]

Same thought!!

[@mewchimew]

That moderator needs to identify as quiet

[@orgyonmyown]

Lmfao this is pure gold!

[@chilli3672]

Sheesh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ihategrapesoda]

LMAOOO

[@Alesanascreamokid]

HAHAH

[@juliespiezia7807]

This sent me

[@Shockblast103]

Who’s here after Blaire’s Non-binary video and she mentioned this happened? 🍷 raise your glass, like even if you don’t agree w her respect her enough to her speak her mind in a DEBATE

[@texanzombie45]

UkatoP 🥂

[@pathowgate2544]

Came to see the alfabet people get mad

[@Wallflowerzizme]

Hell ya!! Queen Blaire

[@victoredwardo9485]

Yeap. Just waiting for everyone being rude to her

[@zoey-nh2uk]

I'm here to listen to stupidity

[@iroxursoxwithjello]

All those half hearted intros, then "hi I'm Lucy, I'm a lesbian". Sweet and simple 10/10 made me lol

[@noms341]

they're so confused why they need some long ass paragraph to introduce themselves lmao i relate

[@abbiiON]

The normal ones were conservatives lmao, the others took 2 hours to introduce themselves

[@gabrieltapia1739]

Yeah I LOL too...Lucy's great 👍

[@Emma-xz1pm]

True. But the pronouns are nice.

[@billt7283]

The black dude “ I’m just a gay American” lmao

[@ewwitsryd3r]

can we please make three new rules with these debates? 1.) no cutting people off while they’re talking 2.) multiple people can’t talk over each other 3.) no personal attacks… i feel like those three very simple things would lead to less messy more respectful/professional debates

[@kittykane2058]

@ewwitsryd3r: But, this is what VICE does best. None of these ridiculous "debates" have been debates. They are all aimed at coddling the "woke", professional victims. The ones they have specifically chosen, out of hundreds of more interesting and intelligent candidates, for their videos. Then they interupt and dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with the "cult". While making sure zoom in on an injured man in a dress while he cries over not being a real woman. VICE is the shittiest group of fuckers and should never be taken seriously.

[@jada45827]

Blair: "I-" Moderator: " let me stop you right there"

[@TysonStevenn]

Jada Webster lmao 😂

[@minetruther7365]

Oml😂😂😂

[@PrimateProductions]

@Little Bit oh so you are all for refusing people their ability to speak ...maybe because you dont agree with what they have to say?? So it's ok then I guess that when you are in the position and attempt to speak your mind the person in charge is ok to shut you up? What an ass

[@buffy8021]

@Little Bit Yay for a real trans telling a nontrans the truth then needing emotional support after 😂

[@pejmul10]

@Little Bit what Blair says can be backed up by actual research. Try it.

[@TheVenezolana13]

I came to learn about LGTBQ and I left more confused.

[@NotAnotherTalkingStage]

They seemed confused as well 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@caspoki]

Yup thats how it works sadly.

[@hidinginyourcloset]

I gave up on trying to understand. It doesn't actually matter in my day to day life.

[@squirrelsjustwannahavefun3540]

*Breaking news:* LGBT people disagree with each other. This isn’t really an educational video for straight cis people brand new to the LGBT world because the things they’re talking about are pretty in-depth intra-community issues. I’ll break it down for you: They got dogmatic far left and far right individuals and had them ideologically cage fight. LGBT on the left vs. LGBT on the right have incredibly different views on finer LGBT politics. The truth lies in the middle.

[@meganm9178]

I’m bi and I even got confused

[@Satrina777]

I'll be frank, the moderator should NOT, I repeat NOT have been a member of the community because there were moments where you could tell she was getting flustered, interrupting people, and overall a bit biased towards one side versus the other, and that is unprofessional. A neutral and completely detached party viewing this all from an objective standpoint would have been especially helpful.

[@apostatis]

Agreed tbh.

[@Jadaohmy]

Preach it

[@ldunham447]

Athena while I agree she was interrupting some people (Republicans) more than others, I feel that with each question she asked, she ensured people with different viewpoints had an equal amount of speaking time. And that said, some of the participants were interrupting each other more than other individuals.

[@TheControlsTech]

Having half of the panel being republican was a bad idea

[@christinao4532]

While I see and understand what the meaning in this comment is, no matter who the moderator is, they will have a bias. We are all humans with unique opinions and values so no matter who the moderator is, there will be a bias. It can’t be helped.

[@kameronhunter732]

BLAIRE does NO wrong to me. I agree the most with what she has to say.

[@potatoekink214]

Lgtbq+ = "let our voices be heard and be equal" moderator= "let me stop you there"

[@violetjulias894]

Unpopular opinion: Not all lgbtq members are for helping other lgbtq members. Edit- unpopular meaning a disliked opinion not uncommon

[@lulucypher398]

Sad but true. The same can be said for most if not all groups regardless of demographics.

[@imageisn0thing]

Um yes. In the same way women don’t support other women. They’re catty and competitive with each other-way more than with other men. It’s naive to assume members of any group automatically support other members of that group. People look out for themselves. #humannature

[@arianalara-paz4607]

not an opinion, this a fact

[@amelia-nv6li]

Violet Julias you are unfortunately right. biphobia in the lgbt community is especially very prevalent amongst gays and lesbians.

[@bobloblawslawblog5104]

@@amelia-nv6li It's not necessarily a phobia of bi people. It's just that a lot of them aren't really bi, yet claim they are for "street cred". That harms those who are actually bi because at this point its hard to tell which ones are legit.

[@Toybinger]

The person moderating was not neutral and was asking a lot of leading type questions.

[@danielbaltzell4163]

what do you expect they work for vice

[@trickmaster32]

@@danielbaltzell4163 their black liberal vs black conservative debate

[@vamp_bat_chomp]

@@trickmaster32 I haven't seen it, was it really biased? Should I watch it, or is it to one side for their to be much point.

[@Guywithadog]

Joey Shears the black conservative and liberal one is very well done, I thought the moderator was very unbiased and did a good job. Equal number of people from both sides as well.

[@khoatruong6845]

Vice, take note. This is exactly how to NOT moderate a discussion or debate. Hopefully you’ve taken feedback and know better now.

[@Gaousensei]

Blaire knows too much, that's why the moderator keeps cutting her off.

[@neila6340]

He’s too woke

[@thecurseddinkleberg4086]

@@neila6340 If you didn't know she was trans and someone referred to her as a man, would you go looking for a man instead of looking at her?

[@dantasticmania8728]

Notice how the conservative LGBT guys along with Blaire seem to make the most sense. The rest are proof that liberalism is a mental disorder

[@neila6340]

@@thecurseddinkleberg4086 blaire is a man and looks like it. sorry

[@TariqNavabiGaming]

Neil A oop- blaire looks like a guy? eh not rlly

[@maggiep6387]

Ew the mod is so rude. “Have you googled it??” “OK OK we get it!!” Like please, be quiet. We don’t want your opinion

[@vanillabeanos7911]

Maggie P They shouldve gotten one that would only ask questions about topics instead whatever she was doing

[@tovegiaever7212]

i think she was just legit asking? i wasn’t crazy about her either, but people are being very touchy about minor stuff

[@vanillabeanos7911]

tove giaever No, I mean she gave her opinion, they shouldve just gotten a neutral moderator that would just ask questions and thats all.

[@tovegiaever7212]

The Enchanted meadow when did she state her opinion on something? not asking critically just legit wondering

[@vanillabeanos7911]

tove giaever When one of the girls was talking about trump, the moderator acted in a way that seemed bias and also silence blaire.

[@reheatthepasta9545]

Came for Blaire but “Hi my names Lucy, I’m a lesbian” stole my heart and I love her.

[@marckid93]

Right?! She's adorable 💕

[@brianag1175]

Same dude

[@samsev]

the cutest omg

[@cutieowl347]

Yesss Lucy was adorable!! Love her smile :)

[@lucassinclair2392]

Protect Lucy 2020

[@MM-co4lf]

As a gay man, the more conservative side gave me hope. Some of the politics surrounding the LGBT + alphabet soup community are just ridiculous. I feel something this community (which I am a part of) has lost its touch on reality.

[@davidconrad7218]

LGBTQXYZ are DOING NOTHING! All they do is whine and blather about how important their opinion is. Demanding everyone buy into their DELUSIONAL insanity. When ACTION to end REAL violent abuse in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and the other 36 nations that imprison and execute LGBTQXYZ these cowards are NO WHERE to be seen. Put up or STFU! If you are LGBTQXYZ , When are you going to Saudi Arabia and protest?

[@TheMetallicSharpie]

Trans and gender nonconforming people were the frontline fighters for gay liberation, and then were cast out of the mainstream gay movement because they weren't seen as "palatable" to people in power, i.e. rich white straight Christians. They're just reclaiming what they started. It's time to stand on their side and support them the way they supported you.

[@Eragarev]

It's because they approach their relationship with gender from a woke perspective instead of a progressive one. For anyone else who knows the difference between woke and progressive, you'll understand what I mean by that. Transgenderism approached from a progressive lens could become incredibly grounded, informative, while also accepting immutable human truths instead of being religiously at odds with them. We'll just see how this goes in the future.

[@isabelle9773]

I cannot believe i agreed with the trump supporters. None of them defined queer it was all ego and emotion.

[@FLCL2010TOKYOJAPAN]

Divide and conquer. Don't think you won't be next when they finish with the others you don't like. You're still a undesirable to conservatives too

[@roberth4727]

An unbiased moderator would be very helpful, or one that knows how to keep their view silent.

[@ramasodimalete2699]

shes human thou!

[@2004fordtaurus]

ramasodi Malete she’s also a host. host’s shouldnt have a bias, ever. we came to see the invited people discuss. if she wanted to be involved, she could have joined and had someone take her place

[@clairew4829]

Exactly.

[@h3llboyyy407]

True , she/he (lol) shouldn't have been noding her head so much when the left side made an argument. Then again it looked pretty obvious what she would side with based on her look.

[@angeliparraguirre7329]

Yall dislike interactive moderators or something cuz, she is tame about her views compared to the absurd amount of shills who call themselves moderators.

[@dyrtyharry6789]

"Hello i'm Lucy im a lesbian" Awww. I friggin love Lucy.

[@daisyyates1302]

I stg that's all she said

[@Amanda-rq9dl]

that’s exactly what i said when i heard her🥺🥺

[@ghost8974]

Amanda Jule i know lesbians r so powerful. they are almost godly

[@neroproduction3545]

Lmaoo she went right to the point

[@kdsfhkljfnsdfo1323]

Stan Lucy over everyone

[@AllRounderBintang]

I don't agree with Blaire politically but the moderator seemed really biased.

[@fweetfweet6996]

I agree the moderator was bias

[@chriskimble6828]

That's fair

[@Danimalsfan]

I agree with blaire’s political view, and further and further in i could tell she was bias.

[@JustinBullock03]

Proxima Centauri gender identity and gender expression aren’t the same thing homie

[@AllRounderBintang]

@@JustinBullock03 Hm?

[@Nostolic]

The black guy pulling out the folded, crumbly ass paper on a side topic that just happened to be brought up randomly had me dying.

[@bauhaustheory942]

and it aged horribly lmao. trump made no attempt to restrain his racial prejudice during his presidency.

[@mattwilson7443]

@@bauhaustheory942 how so

[@bauhaustheory942]

@@mattwilson7443 possibly the biggest offense of his racism was during the pandemic when he perpetuated violence and discrimination against asian people and blamed them for the virus. asian hate crimes spiked in 2020 (by 150%). he was vocally calling COVID-19 the “chinese virus.” that and another slew of things are why that aged horribly

[@emmakatrine6144]

​@bauhaustheory942 care to explain or are u just calling him racist because u don't like him?

[@justinnamuco9096]

​@@bauhaustheory942 He never even implied let alone express any racial prejudice. That's Trump, dude. He wasn't even born a Republican lmao

[@jupitertheplanet.]

blaire: **exists** moderator: damn bro that’s crazy but i don’t remember asking

[@tinalove4324]

its not a phase mom I’ve seen u on Blaire channel and somewhere else lol

[@Hayden_Cat]

I remember when I first watched this hated Blair but since I realized I was a trans man and ended up re watching this I agree a lot. A non-binary person who doesn’t have dysphoria and doesn’t transition is not the same as a trans person with crippling dysphoria. But when you point this out you are considered a transphobe

[@beebeecee669]

blaire: duuuuurrrr

[@LanzyLou]

@@Hayden_Cat I LOVE Blaire White.

[@isaacs_cafe]

Dude the mod seriously needs to stop cutting Blaire off. You are supposed to listen, ask questions, and help out when like a full out screaming fight happens. Not cut the people who are supposed to talk off because they don’t have the same opinion as you.

[@thenovalust]

blaire being there is such a moment

[@ornaciacutabtch5122]

As a liberal, although she is republican, I really can tell she knew what she was talking about. Very mature and intelligent.

[@sofe6451]

yes i love her so much ❤️

[@brennalambert3401]

Douglas Owen that was a moment for her

[@bobbotherosso8110]

She's one of the only people up there who knew what she was talking about

[@witchby9362]

Blair is a great KZbinr.

[@bradenmacdonald2]

I would love for VICE to do this again now a few year have gone by. Would be interesting to see if anyone's views have changed.

[@gogogadgetabby]

I want them to do it with a new moderator

[@kirabailey9773]

I feel like blaire was just talking & no one was listening :/ such a shame cause she was one of the only ones making any sense

[@darksoles1305]

The old guy was making plenty of sense and he only spoke about issues that were relevant. I do wish that Blair spoke more though

[@Howlzffffdd]

the moderatpr was crap and obviously was very biased. kept cutting blaire off which really stunk.

[@blobfishtea]

blaire just looks miserable the entire time

[@professionalobese5529]

She was cut down the WHOLE TIME. Like they cut the hell out of her

[@boredshrimp9425]

And the black guy besides her kept telling her rude things off camera

[@natalyavalasquez9121]

Nikki Demoss because how one sided and ignorant the moderator, Caleb, and Raquel came off

[@383-u9e]

@@boredshrimp9425 i'm genuinely curious, how do you know this? have they posted behind the scenes footage?

[@svejarkata]

875 she briefly spoke about it in one of her videos, where she was explaining her feelings about non-binary folks being grouped with transgenders

[@one1touch]

Blair White and that Brandon guy gave some good points.But the moderator is so damn biased and didn’t know how to moderate the session in a professional manner! 🙄

[@NurseSnow2U]

one1touch agreed does anyone know her name?! I know she’s somewhere on twitter purporting her biased rhetoric. I’d just like to have a few words with her unscrupulous ass!!! 🙄😂

[@oliviasmith8238]

I feel that Brandon guy was way too like Kaitlyn Bennet for me. He just kept asking what the definition was for queer and brought it up like 3 times. He brought one argument and kept going back to it..

[@whatisthis1262]

I hate this "I identify as". Like no.. I don't identify with anything, I just AM. I'm glad that Blaire kept it correct.

[@firequeen1451]

Imagine being on a debate panal and getting upset when someone debates you

[@Sambochini]

not the first time painal has made Shem cry id assume

[@Samantha10887]

Kayleeana welcome to 2020 baby

[@fionaxx8645]

the moderator is awful, super biased and constantly interrupting the people she didnt like

[@kittyqueen7305]

FionaTatertot THIS^^^^

[@NurseSnow2U]

Kitty Queen yeah she had me right and that doesn’t happen often. If you can’t remain a neutral party (and I don’t support Trump or endorse any political affiliation) pull up a chair and become a part of the panel, she’s blatantly biased and full of shit. Sickening.

[@NoCluYT]

Hi my name is Trey and I have a basketball game tomorrow.

[@RenegadeShepard69]

@GOAT be a GOAT Trey don't be like the people in this video.

[@italiansoldierfromww2460]

Basketball is gay, play a real sport

[@josh2059]

Italian Soldier from WW2 says the cod player....

[@godschildb4thewomb198]

@@italiansoldierfromww2460 Tell that to LeBron James and so many more oh let's not forget Michael Jordan 😉 what would you do with that kinda money 🤔 would you give back to WW2 😒

[@Sharper22802]

Awesome!

[@sleepyhider]

Blairs is always so rational I love her sm she thinks with facts and not emotions

[@LK-jg1go]

Love that about her, more people should learn from her in that way

[@Heilokittyloser]

The main person keeps interrupting blare it’s quite annoying...when blare is obviously making the best points

[@noms341]

probably why she's interrupting her she can't cope with the truth :(

[@rylopez2949]

Regardless of who you are and what you believe, it’s childish and rude to laugh and roll your eyes at someone’s response.

[@samalan1274]

"Hi im Lucy I'm a lesbian. " That's all folks.

[@alysbaah-danso5278]

Fuck You she’s the only one i rate !!

[@stopthishurts1453]

Alys Baah-danso Lucy was so fucking pure

[@johannlindstrom5948]

Lucy was adorbs!

[@randomclips888]

Lucy gave me life I wanna follow her

[@maceinater]

LMAO

[@sirjaya2534]

I would like a reunion of these people. The world has gone through so much since this panel got together. I wonder what their thoughts are now.

[@IsaiahBustamante]

I do not like this moderator... why do y’all keep inviting her back.

[@sarayasmine4704]

@jack daniels because she was pretty biased. Which is the worst thing if you are a presenter at a debate.

[@sarayasmine4704]

Moderator** sorry

[@IsaiahBustamante]

jack daniels girlie she was so obviously biased... i’m a leftist but i also appreciate fair debates. so when the mod is LITERALLY only highlighting leftist views its not okay.

[@CS-kj8nx]

jack daniels read the comments. It’s not just this person 😂

[@esanessa6970]

@jack daniels a moderator should not show their stand within conversations..it is not fair

[@benjaminreyes3624]

The asian girl with the short hair is so adorable

[@miamikolajczyk7103]

Benny R wait is this a joke😂

[@SpaceOcelot4548]

She was an adorable lil lesbian

[@Ethan-hj5tu]

Right? She didn’t hadn’t said anything and I was like MARRY ME

[@westcoastriddims3114]

Raise your hand if you thought you were going to be enlightened but now feel like you understand less.

[@jetnight88]

Westcoast Riddims why they bring trump into this? This is about lgbt not trump

[@criconinvestments7723]

Right. I thought there'd be a lot more agreement than I saw here.

[@ivymartinez5814]

Cricon Investments that’s on you for assuming people from a community all think the same🙄

[@RomanDiaries]

@@ivymartinez5814 Can't blame them. Been seeing more cases of even gay media lumping LGBT together in ways that are incorrect, it gives the impression we're all a monolith.

[@yengsabio5315]

In trying to objectively identify their selves, they become more & more confused! As an observer to all of these, I'm now also confused!

[@roundandcute]

as a trans guy who only loves guys, i really agree a lot with blaire. she has the most logical way of thinking and i admire how shes still respectful while disagreeing with others.

[@lavaniadelrey2807]

Don’t appreciate Blaire being steamrolled over in this debate especially bc she has the best points

[@noah-mm7dx]

name one good point skdksjsn

[@exoxtic1566]

a good point is, non-binary people aren't trans sososooso skksvksmvksdn

[@noah-mm7dx]

@@exoxtic1566 thats a retarded discussion in and of itself. gender confusion is not black and white and peoples gender experience can be fucked up in many ways, especially in todays society. so that this has arisen somehow, expressed in this kind of fad of 70 different genders and whatever, is only logical. a lot of binary trans people seem to feel or want to feel like they're more 'normal' than any of these semi girl demi queer astro pansexual identifying people. binary trans people, regardless of the fact that they assimilate into the gender binary, are just as fucked up and should accept that. so i think if these other genders want to say they are trans then let them. this whole discussion of whether they can call themselves trans or not is just unnecessary nitpicking or, what we call in dutch, ant-fucking.

[@lolarodgers2961]

Exoxtic exactly. Transgender is binary. You cannot be a “non-binary lesbian” or a “non binary trans” if they’re going to create the terms they can at least know what they mean and how they’re used! Blair is very intelligent on all this.

[@noah-mm7dx]

@@lolarodgers2961 there is no reason to believe that the trans experience is a binary experience. the 'science behind transsexuals' that blaire always talks about but never rly explains (bc she barely understands it) is not what you think it is. id like blaire to go get a brain scan see if she has a "female brain" like she claims. it just seems like blaire is using nonbinary transidentifying people to blame them for her being misunderstood and seen as an abnormality. whatever u gotta to do feel sane i guess. :)

[@kalebilly6758]

I hope the moderator reads these comments and recognizes that the bias she held in this debate wasn't fair at all

[@fernandaaguil]

These people never accept they are wrong because their ego does not allow it. She probably would say she is being a victim of prejudice because she is being criticized.

[@grisbear5683]

She’s not a moderator, she clearly has people she agrees with and has her own opinions. As a moderator she should just let them all figure it out and interpret what each person is saying if something is misunderstood without agreeing or disagreeing.

[@Chalor.]

That's a she? [nevermind what they said] I mean the voice isn't masculine....but the head says otherwise.

[@greeneyesgirl467]

This is VICE. They hold a certain belief. Of course it's biased. We all know what we come here for lol

[@MiuXiu]

@@Chalor. women can’t have short hair?

[@kota1155]

I can't stand when people ask a question, then while it's being answered, they keep asking the question over and over again.

[@Nostolic]

You can tell who has made their sexuality their identity and who has not. You can tell who is a LGBTQIA+ indiviual and who an indiviual who happens to be in the spectrum of LGBTQIA+.

[@ro2456]

“let me explain and i’ll see what i can do for you” that was so graceful

[@WashingtonDC20032]

Yesssss😂😂😂😂

[@joygernautm6641]

Donny is earnest and tactful. Good job

[@hazard1371]

Hahaha

[@orpheusarc]

He was my favorite in this video

[@katherinemcgee3069]

Donny is a boss!! Love him!

[@toruoikawa1710]

I hate how they treated the people with different views.

[@leahskrrr7095]

ikr do they not understand what a debate is

[@Apollos-rest]

Blaire: So- Moderator: SHhhHh Blaire: *I'm boutta end this them's career*

[@octaviohernandez8107]

This them's! HOWLING

[@Sol36900]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dyrtyharry6789]

Lol ... Take THAT you 'They-Them"

[@dukeneilvalera6207]

Them I-

[@dvd.g1sc]

10:53

[@pasitheathanatosasmr488]

“See what I can do for you” was the classiest thing said during this debate

[@hxneyxblood]

blaire: *exists* moderator: i'M gOnNa StOp yOu

[@melancholique5499]

I think it’s funny how if you closed your eyes during the beginning, you could tell if they’re on the right or left pretty damn accurately based on their introduction

[@2004fordtaurus]

Noneya Business lmfaoo it’s very clear ahaha ig everyone acts like the people they talk/associate with

[@CircusPupVT]

The moderator cutting off Blair so much because someone was 'offended' They hated god because she spoke the truth

[@yashminjamal6517]

When?

[@raerivers]

When she was talking to the ‘trans-fem’ person and was saying that what they identify is different, same as how bisexual and pansexual are different even when they’re so similar

[@yashminjamal6517]

@@raerivers I meant time stamp...but anyway thanks for the information 🖐️☺️

[@padme2552]

timestamp?

[@cnmillican01]

yashmin jamal 10:53

[@katiedietz402]

Awful choice of mediator. She’s biased and it’s embarrassing

[@asianho3284]

I could tell the host was getting offended sometimes

[@k_a_y_l_e_e]

she was like a mom who was ashamed of her many children who just couldn't get along no matter how hard she tried. she looked at them like, "i raised you better than this...."

[@r.pinheiro549]

Lol yup!

[@sydneycooper2718]

I hate conversations like these. Nothing got accomplished and no one listened to each other. It's all about their own opinions and not about understanding others.

[@karasylvester4634]

It's open dialog. nothing needs to be accomplished.

[@leonardo899]

A house divided cannot stand.

[@iRRichiee]

Kara Sylvester open dialogue on a big platform....almost all of these speakers are lost and self obsessed when trying to find their way in the world...

[@jacques15]

It’s an formal-informal of discussion on Vice News. It’s just trying to gather the different perspectives of the people in the discussion group not necessarily solve any problems. I don’t see why you or anyone else takes issue with a simple discussion.

[@discojohn8753]

thats the left, all emotion, no substance.

[@RT-dm4bi]

Isn’t a moderator supposed to be unbiased?

[@pingasatchi9247]

I don’t understand why it’s so hard for some of these people to answer a question.

[@tomwinchester4091]

Because every single one of them is mentally ill and I'm pretty sure a few of them are mildly retarded

[@hfric]

@@tomwinchester4091 +1

[@breenm8805]

They loooooove using big words to make themselves seem so profound and complicated.

[@RosvStudios]

@Christopher Henry no one said gay people are mentaly ill here lol. The fuck are you talking about?

[@lukasthedark8478]

bang bang, don Winchester and unlockthepower both called everyone on the panel mentally ill (however one of them just said “they” so maybe that person only meant a few), some people on the panel were gay, just gay, so that’s probably what he’s talking about. If you weren’t so adversarial I’m sure you’d find discussions like these to be more productive.

[@livvy33xx]

i think the moderator should have kept it more focused on LGBT+ issues rather thanTrump or racism.

[@xcalypso4077]

fr

[@N0n0b0dy]

It’s vice, EVERYTHING has to be race bated to keep the victims championships going on.

[@LEMMYKISGOD]

Yea, a focus away from Trump will never happen on any VICE episode political debate

[@dunwichbore1848]

I feel like the moderator was a bit biased. They needed someone more neutral.

[@joshuadean6353]

@Dash Dash That falls under equality.

[@Moonlight-gs7ti]

When u get rid of the moderator I’ll take my dislike back☺️

[@NurseSnow2U]

Moonlight same. So blatantly biased. 🙄

[@johnathanstanley3791]

Clearly the host doesn’t like the conservative people in this panel.

[@balllsdeep1750]

Yes, I peeped that too. "Did you even Google it? 🙄" Would've been interesting to have a straight white man host it 😂

[@alondravidal8600]

I definitely agree with the conservative gay man in the suit. He had the receipts and he spoke calmly and rationally. I think he described it best saying he just wants to live his day, doesn't matter if he was gay or not. He's just a man living life.

[@Ian00003]

He and the Trans dude to Blair's left were my favorites, seemed chill

[@cicihopeluv]

Alondra Vidal I LOVEDDDD him. ❤️

[@allyouneedislove3218]

He and Blair were the best Oh and the gay guy with a red hat and black shirt

[@jasonwall1995]

EXACTLY.

[@thatpossessedthing]

@@allyouneedislove3218 Yes I think they were the most sensible people there

[@Robiness]

I have the feeling the moderator doesn't fancy Blair lmao. She interrupted her like three times on no basis

[@erikhernandez3603]

Boohoo this person crying is more important than the topic and understanding. Since when did someone crying become more important than talking about important issues?!?!

[@artemis6439]

They really love the word “identify”

[@Rubarb84]

Rachhpal Gill I identify as someone who doesn’t give a shit what someone identifies as.😂🤣😭

[@sarasanz197]

fr tho wdym identify as conservative??? tf that's not something you identify as, that's something you are like stfu

[@professionalobese5529]

Tea

[@saul_silva]

I feel like the conversation about the word queer could’ve gone so much better, so sad no one was able to actually give a good definition

[@soulsurfer7702]

It’s the equivalent of someone explaining how you can be a lesbian pansexual.

[@SirCentex]

Didn’t realize how controversial the term queer was in the community

[@cl3109]

Everything is controversial in this commmunity...they fight over words all the time

[@mindremote]

It’s not. This panel doesn’t represent the LGBT community. They took conservatives and liberals 50/50. In reality LGBT conservatives are a tiny tiny minority

[@el-xb9ly]

De'Quad Binder some people don’t want to be called a slur, so yes, it’s controversial.

[@quietstream8206]

Yeah, its still used as a slur in some places so some would rather not be called that but its a reclaimed term.

[@el-xb9ly]

Quiet Stream because it’s a slur is why it’s controversial, that’s my point.

[@CINRZ]

Fully transitioned woman speaks * "EXCUSE ME CAN YOU LET THE NON BINARY TRANS FEM A SPECTRUM TALK PLEASE YOUR OPINION ISN'T VALID" Thought this was a debate ?

[@isism8797]

IM SCREAMING "A SPECTRUM"

[@natalyavalasquez9121]

Zoë Carson I love how one sided snowflakes like Caleb, Raquel, and the moderator come off

[@NurseSnow2U]

It was so blatant and repulsive.

[@bossyspaghetti]

It was so lame how fired up and ready for this Blaire was at first, and by the end, she's staring blankly at the floor, like she knew there was no point in even trying to be involved. Makes me sad.

[@danielg6522]

Right?! Lawl, I was only here for Blaire but she barely got a word in 😩

[@spacecase7504]

@@danielg6522 Yeah that annoyed me, when I find out about her in this I was looking forward to what she had to say.

[@metagirl2573]

Facts.

[@huntersuper94]

She honestly made some of the best points though. Even if she was constantly cut off. They couldn't handle Blaire😂

[@lee6228]

The mod wouldnt let her speak, no wonder she gave up

[@uwu-uv4mg]

The introduction is so funny to me. Lefties be like "hi i'm non-binary, trans femme unicorn kin asexual bisexual and i go by he/she/they/xe" and the righties are just like "hi i'm gay :)"

[@PoliticalRegality]

Perfecrly put!

[@megantron5331]

Liberal or conservative, I think we can all agree that we need a drink after watching this.

[@Vashthestampede967]

Cheers!

[@MrJoeylj]

I can dig that First round on me.

[@gstroyce]

ur transexual?

[@rocdaneweracap]

Well I just smoke a blunt.. not a big drinker

[@ihateyou3557]

Megan Tron a couple

[@chaste7711]

“I’m benij I’m a guy” IM ROLLING

[@benjaminjoseph7029]

Ik I was like why is he there for??😂😂😭

[@AureYlonen]

Benji 144 another perspective

[@sarawinardi6745]

I thought he said I am gay

[@gnarls4480]

Like why he here

[@iheartpiano18]

He is there because you can be more than your sexuality.

[@user-qw6yd2rw2k]

Guest in panel: "So, here is why the Acronym LGBTQ+ is troublesome.." Biased Moderator interrupts: "Does anyone here think the LGBTQ+ acronym is good?"

[@emilyrosemeggierose9276]

I just use LGBT... I can't bring myself to use that Q slur.

[@ijansk]

I don't use the acronym much but if I have to I stick to GLB because from years observing and reading about transgender I consider gender dysphoria as a mental disorder. All the other letters are mindsets and political identities. The only real inborn traits in the acronym are homosexuality (G and L) and bisexuality (B).

[@melody-tp8go]

@@ijansk that's not it

[@executiveorder7146]

@@ijansk so b yea someone is expecting a threesome lmao

[@executiveorder7146]

@@ijansk and l is gay so g should be the only letter

[@Ellie-ek1uv]

The moderator is an absolute mess.

[@PoliticalRegality]

She identifies as "non-binary".

[@JT-gt6lo]

Because she is miseducated and entitled.

[@b8665]

i love how the moderator didn’t ask why they voted for trump and only asked why they didn’t vote for trump... her agenda is showing

[@SayNO2CAMEABUSE]

b isnt that a guy

[@Rcoal]

SayNO2CAMELABUSE no she's a girl

[@Rcoal]

SayNO2CAMELABUSE lmao true

[@tacocatt6808]

SayNO2CAMELABUSE we know... they said their pronoun at the start before getting everyone else to so...?

[@hartyhart6154]

SayNO2CAMELABUSE uhm guess you weren’t paying attention when she said her pronouns at the very beginning of the video

[@nwat3348]

The gay black guy in the suit is waaaayyyyy confused by all these folks.....haha

[@MegumiKeehl]

N Wat 9:18 lmaooo his face

[@teeny700]

That's because he's normal. Ha ha ha ha. I felt so bad for him Lol

[@ajhare2]

Teeny Anderson I feel that dude. 😂😂 I consider myself “normal” too meaning that I’m a guy that just happens to like other guys

[@teeny700]

@@ajhare2 I loved when he said "who's telling you, you need to use pronouns in the first place?" That other guys head was going to explode and he literally had no idea why. He just had the most confused look. Almost to say "ya'll are creating your own drama." Lol

[@kendra_t]

He's honestly such a mood

[@shmainginyt5421]

I'm a trans liberal but I found paul great for how he talks about how homophobic we used to be and how we've changed alot

[@davidconrad7218]

LGBTQXYZ are DOING NOTHING! All they do is whine and blather about how important their opinion is. Demanding everyone buy into their DELUSIONAL insanity. When ACTION to end REAL violent abuse in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and the other 36 nations that imprison and execute LGBTQXYZ these cowards are NO WHERE to be seen. Put up or STFU!

[@ordinaryalan]

“My victimhood is more significant than your victimhood.” “No, MY victimhood is worse than your victimhood!”

[@savanna77]

The moderator is so biased. They should have had an opened minded person, not hateful, or adding their own standpoints in the arguments.

[@Greytick]

that “mediator” kept interrupting people like blaire and it was pissing me off

[@bradyfisher2115]

Clear bias against the Republicans

[@JawsFan27]

@@bradyfisher2115 >Vice >Not biased

[@sugondeese6858]

people like blaire shouldn't be there in the first place + they don't have enough to cover every topic completely lmao are you dumb

[@TheRisingHeroz]

@@sugondeese6858 why shouldn't Blaire be there?

[@zamuzz]

So you only want People who share your opinion. Wow

[@ryleey9853]

This video should just be called "people intereupting each other for 20 mins straight"

[@roguexsweets2447]

I feel like a moderator is very unprofessional and very biased