GROUND POUNDER MY RUCKSACK OF CHOICE

In this video i will talk of my choice for a surplus rucksack for overnight camping /woodscraft /bushcraft . The most common surplus rucksack you fine is the u.s.army medium Alice pack .For many years i carried that pack and will be doing a video on it in the near future.
My rucksack of choice for woodscraft / bushcraft use is the German army surplus alpine rucksack. Often you see these rucksacks on sale from Sportsmans guide or other online military surplus sites at a good price. they come both in o.d. green canvas as well as o.d. green condura . I have found this rucksack to be a great choice for field gear and overnight camping. the size of the pack holds enough camping gear for a 72+ hours in the woods.
the fit and design carried very well with the 25 to 35 pound loads common in over night campouts in spring /summer.
thanks for watching , safe journeys to you

[@blackoracle69]

more to come in the series thanks to everyone for the support safe journeys to you

[@armingilsdorf9675]

That’s funny! Me (Germany, ex Fallschirmjäger, noe nearly 63 :)) using this pack (Jägerrucksack) as my favorite! BTW the folding mat was extra made for putting in this pack and the big combat pack also and was part of the personal handed out equipment. The pack is nearly everlasting....but go for the original! We all used big garbage bags to make them waterproof in the field. Thanks for this vid! Glad you promoted a great part of equipment!

[@blackoracle69]

thank you for your comment the rucksacks are well loved here in the usa!

[@paulwebb9464]

I wasn't drawn to your channel at first however after watching several episodes I have come to the conclusion that your a wise woodsman. Lots of good and critical information can be had.

[@blackoracle69]

thank you for the kind words i hope you will find lots of useful things in my videos

[@froggergoat]

Sewing the pouch in to the flap like that is ingenious. I would have never thought of that.

[@blackoracle69]

glad to help

[@Flashahol]

I find backpacks to be THE most addicting piece of gear... I have one just for corner store skirmishes, one for beach crafting, one for boating, one for hiking, one for bushcrafting... Stuff may get thrown about from one pack to the other, but most my bags have the bare essentials already in them ready to go.

[@blackoracle69]

i am same way i love rucksacks and military sleeping bags

[@Limicola1]

I carried this pack every day to work (college professor) lugging heavy books. Never had a problem. Probably 15 years or so ago I posted a "fix" for the closure buckles on BCUK (BushcraftUK). Basically you remove the buckles from the straps, turn them over, and with the buckle pointing up run the strap through the first slot, under the middle bar, and out through the opening at the bottom of the buckle. Then install the buckle so that the strap part attached to the ruck passes between the prongs. Then they will work like a normal strap. Same for the pockets.

[@worldwarmini3919]

I got mine when I was 12, now 21 years later it’s still kicking around. Best bag ever , mines canvas too.

[@jwgbmp40]

I can let a couple months go by and watch BT vids all over again!!

[@TheScoundrel70]

I've got 2 with the accordion pads. Actually, it was your review on the pad that prompted me to get one a few years ago. When I first got the packs, I was a little sore that a typical nesting cup and water bottle didn't fit in the side pockets. But the tall, oval surplus plastic Swiss water bottle with the nested aluminum cup fits perfectly. Blackie, thank you so much for that clever top cord toggle trick, that's so simple since there's really nothing to do but use it, yet it really makes a difference in how the load ends up distributed.

[@blackoracle69]

thanks for the comment safe journeys

[@notalanrogers3173]

I traded my friend some big condor assault pack for one of these packs a handful of years ago. He had been given it when he was in Scouts as a kid. I've been using this bag nearly ever time I go anywhere for years. Shooting, concerts, fishing, grocery shopping on the motorcycle, whatever. I never looked into it much, but it's cool to see it come so highly recommended.

[@justinsigmund6200]

I love your videos. Also nice Corporals Corner shirt. I have one myself. The man is great in this field. Keep up the great work sir.

[@blackoracle69]

i respect Corporals Corner and wanted to show it thanks for noticing

[@michaelnasser8697]

Love the ground pounder series Blacky, thank you and keep ‘em coming. Extremely useful and good info.

[@blackoracle69]

More to come!

[@williamcruz3590]

wow really great thanks for all your in put thats why i watch you

[@blackoracle69]

I appreciate that!

[@ericcook8422]

I like to see what other people carry and why. I also learn a lot. Thanks for the video

[@boomshanka8743]

First! I got one of those BW mountain rucks about ten years ago too. It has an orange waxed canvas zippered pocket under the lid too. Excellent pack! I also bought an Alder Stream Allagash deluxe pack about two weeks ago, cant wait for it to arrive.

[@blackoracle69]

awesome thanks for the comment

[@Shukov]

Good idea with the lid compartment. Might do something like it with mine.

[@smoothvern165]

This was another AWESOME video! The little tips and tricks that you share are great things that I would never ever think of. Now I’ve gotta try to find one of theses packs. It’s awesome that you show how to have a great camp, without totally breaking the bank!

[@blackoracle69]

You are so welcome!

[@SouthernPatriot1]

I went out and bought one years ago when you first recommended it. I love it as my winter loadout ruck. Thanks Blackie, I love this series! Has saved me a lot of money with all your tips through the years. You have an awesome channel…always have. Another pack that I like is the SOG Barrage. Take care and God bless.

[@blackoracle69]

Great to hear!

[@MrMrBiggles]

I've had one of these for years, and yet before this video, I had no idea its utility. Thank you.

[@blackoracle69]

Glad I could help!

[@tennesseesmoky9012]

I’ve been using a reproduction (Rothco ?) of this Alpine rucksack for several years after retiring my surplus medium ALICE pack (no frame). This canvas Alpine ruck is reliable and handles a two or three day loadout comfortably. I’ve also used this ruck for winter overnight camping. I appreciate you sharing your modifications and hints for better use. Thanks for the useful information. God bless. - Tennessee Smoky

[@blackoracle69]

thanks for posting

[@MichaelR58]

Blackie , good video and tips , thanks for sharing ,God bless !

[@blackoracle69]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@samr.896]

Wow, absolutely great timing on this one. Just got done watching your canteen video as I’m trying to complete my setup and now this as I’m looking for a good ruck

[@blackoracle69]

Glad it was helpful! my alice pack mods will be coming soon

[@ericvater8672]

Thanks again Blackie. That might be the pack for me. Love your black bird haversack. Great tips and tricks. Have great day Blackie 👍

[@blackoracle69]

glad you enjoy it

[@larryeddings3185]

Excellent info, Blackie. Thanks for sharing.

[@blackoracle69]

My pleasure!

[@garrysayer547]

Thank you, I do understand. I'm just frustrated. Lol. Keep doing the amazing job you have been doing. I'll keep watching.

[@blackoracle69]

safe journeys to you

[@quinntheeskimooutdoors6234]

Looks like a great pack Blackie. Thanks for showing us and take care.

[@blackoracle69]

You bet

[@mrlovegun7938]

your awesome Blackie ! love your videos and channel

[@blackoracle69]

I appreciate that!

[@mikebsbd]

Thank you for the great video of awesome info.

[@blackoracle69]

You bet!

[@kevinstanley5352]

Blackie thank you so much for this video, I used to just buy backpacks not even really knowing what I was buying, thanks again!!

[@blackoracle69]

any time

[@mbarr1029]

Great Vid And nice Plug with the t-shirt. RESPECT !! Your both the best instructors I know of. Thorough and accurate, with "why" added. YES, ... I got tired of the "because I said so". RIP Dan, Still miss your channel brother

[@blackoracle69]

Much appreciated!

[@1bobbydavis]

Thank you for the content. I'm looking forward to the ALICE pack vid.

[@blackoracle69]

Coming soon!

[@oxcart19]

Thanks for showing ways to use the various features of this pack.

[@blackoracle69]

my pleasure

[@williammaurer9450]

Excellent as always. I have an old rucksack from my Boy Scout days (1960-65) that I'm going to dig out. Was a great little pack, vinyl bottom, side pockets, real simple, but lousy shoulder straps now that I think about it. LOL. It's coming back to me ;-). Whatever, great memories. Love the little tips & tricks sprinkled throughout your videos. I look forward to your videos, keep'm coming, Thx!

[@blackoracle69]

Right on the early boy scout packs were good shoulder straps a bit short for adults but thats a easy fix

[@oldminer5387]

Thank yo Blackie. I have been looking for a rucksack like you showed, now to find one.

[@blackoracle69]

Glad I could help

[@jeffrichards5106]

Great series Blackie. I don't recall ever seeing the German Alpine Rucksack, looks really nice. I'm so glad you're still going to do videos on the Alice packs. I have the medium as well as the large Alice. That's why I like the medium better than the large because it doesn't expand that far out from your back like the large does, which sticks out a mile behind you. Although I like the large because of more room and more pockets on the outside of the pack. Can't wait for the next video. Thanks! 👍

[@blackoracle69]

Thanks for the visit

[@garrysayer547]

Thank you very much. My thoughts, best wishes and prayers are with you. Seriously thank you for the responses. Ltr

[@blackoracle69]

You are so welcome

[@fredbustin3788]

Great series. Really enjoying it.

[@blackoracle69]

Awesome, thank you!

[@darrellh1840]

Thanks Blackie! Looking forward to the ALCE pack video as I have one stashed away.

[@blackoracle69]

Coming soon!

[@Milkman3572000]

Seating PAD storage! Love that. What a great idea.

[@Gute_Laune_Goy]

the sleep mat actually is part of that Rucksack and the inside compartment was designed for that mat. sounds weird, but it is like that^^

[@randybranch4005]

I really enjoyed this overview of this pack. I need another pack like a hole in the head...lol. Found one exactly like yours and bought it yesterday.

[@cheechwizard7564]

I always wanted one, but never bought it. As a side note, the Bundeswehr guys used to laugh at us with our ALICE packs. Thanks Blackie.

[@scrapperstacker8629]

Cool pack

[@haroldmiller6853]

Looks like a great pack thanks for sharing

[@blackoracle69]

Thanks for watching!

[@timlacy2284]

Blackie , Great Video and Outstanding Information, Wow !!! I appreciate everything you do. I have all three ALICE pack sizes with frames . I need to try the RUCK sacks . Yes You Are The Master Woodsman and Buschcrafter Thanks Again. Tim L.

[@blackoracle69]

thank you so much

[@oferbechor1579]

THANK YOU🌲🌲🌲

[@blackoracle69]

my pleasure

[@lelandgaunt3567]

One of the things I love about old packs like this, especially when you can get them cheap, is find one good one and one of two in any condition, and you can cut them up and customize them yourself and get a custom setup for cheap.

[@stephanbotha2974]

Like the video Blackie

[@kxd2591]

When I was in service, the C rations came packed 12 to a carboard box that was fitted inside a heavy cardboard "sleeve". We used the sleeve on the side of the ALICE that rested against our backs. This kept all of those Cfood cans from digging into out backs. In a tropical environment it's a fun thang to hump around. By the way, the "A" ration was what you got in the messhall, and upon occasion in the field ( I remember getting As only once in a combat environment). "B" rations, as far as I know, was cold cuts. I never saw these in the field. And then the "C", twelve different meals of goodness. And that "goodness" got very, very old going into the 2nd or 3rd week. I served in the 4th ID, and we had the largest AO (Area of Operations) in the country and maybe the smallest helicopter support. It was a sparse AO. Love your videos.

[@blackoracle69]

thanks for watching

[@billrivenbark8983]

I have the Italian Alpine surplus back pack which is a soft pack. Love it. I have a MILSURP Haversack which also has side pockets and the combined are my go to bags for one to two night camping.

[@blackoracle69]

sounds good

[@jwgbmp40]

That looks like a great pack. I loved the old cotton canvas two pocket alice packs from nam. I THINK THEY QUit making them in '65. My dad brought one home, at 75 he still packs it off in the deer woods.. they werent two big, ya really didnt over load em.

[@bayouflats5054]

Really enjoy this topic and your reasoning about weight distribution makes a lot of sense. I’ve looked at these, thanks for review. I did get the Belgian rucksack for many of the same reasons. Like it a lot. Also, have medium ALICE and looking forward to info share concerning them. 👍

[@blackoracle69]

Glad you like them!

[@davidkeyser128]

An automotive leather/vinyl repair kit can make a more permanent repair to holes through the bottom of the pack once you get back home.

[@supertug2005]

Blackie is a natural at instructing and demo! I also let my wife listen to why I should have 2 or 3 of these. The part about having to unload each time. LOL

[@blackoracle69]

hey , if it help here understand we all good lol

[@ryanvictoria6206]

I love this pack. I have an original issue dated 2003. The only issue i have is storage. I like my stuff organized so i don't have to rummage thru in case i need something in case of an emergency. The two side pockets are okay but not enough. But seeing your previous video you can modify the flap into a zippered pouch. That said i think this is one of the best packs out there and german quality to boot 🇩🇪 will certainly last a lifetime and then some.

[@toneyjohnson8910]

love that rucksack need to find me one for day hikes and a few overnights, thanks Blackie.

[@blackoracle69]

Any time!

[@jenniferbauman4802]

Great video. Like the smiley face on your hand. Good stuff. I used to just carry my U S military duffle bag it's great carry everything I need to live . But to heavy.for over night. So now I'm going through like every one on the planet. To find that right backpack. But if I'm going for good. That duffle bag can not be beat. Well God bless. From Glenn CATT in Massachusetts.

[@blackoracle69]

thanks for watching

[@christopherevans2547]

I scored my surplus German alpine pack on eBay a few weeks ago for 26$ plus shipping. It’s an outstanding pack. Carry’s a load and distributes the weight very comfortably for such a simple pack. The only thing it’s missing is lashing loops for a bedroll underneath but I’ll be adding some soon. 👌

[@blackoracle69]

thats a easy afternoon project and you will make it exactly how you want it awesome find

[@hiramhaji7813]

Great video

[@blackoracle69]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Patriot7476]

Have had the Alpine bag for 15 years. About time to replace it. Great pack!

[@blackoracle69]

Right on!

[@daghaalsuii]

Nice shirt! Cool shoot out 😎 You're awesome, Blackie 👍

[@blackoracle69]

yes sir

[@whatyaworkingontoday5018]

Success comes from confidence and often what someone is comfortable with like possibly old school, heavy, out dated gear gives them want to try. Confidence gets them out there and back.

[@blackoracle69]

thanks for watching

[@kylercowan6197]

After you first recommended it, I have been using one to carry my home. Backpacking, hiking, traveling, it does it all. I literally live out of it. Whatever my great kilt and haversack can't hold.

[@blackoracle69]

Thanks for sharing!

[@JJ-JOHNSON]

That's made like my Forest Ruck by Hidden Woodsmen and I love my pack.

[@jem6205]

Good vid. I havent thought about a new camping bag for this season. The last bag that I got was over 10 years ago and I believe it doesn't need to be replaced yet. Its my multi bag about the size of what you got, but more modernized and built like a urban bag to blend into city living. No frame and solid black to keep the size hidden with molle and straps to adjust for all seasons/tasks. I dont know if I could do multiple bags like you got going on. I use molle kit bags that I would attach to the main bag and adjust based on plans. I also haven't gotten into the heavy bushcraft or military style bags yet. But the thought of grab and go has always been appealing to me. My bag with your haversack and GCC canteen kit, makes me believe that I am set for now. But lately, I have been seeing more bush/military bags on the trails. So maybe one day in the near future I will try those types of bags out. Lately, I have been going on day hikes with just the GCC and haversack. The multi bag stayed home, or in the vehicle during long trips as a 3-5 day get home bag or BOB. Times be changing in the upper Midwest. Everywhere I go is getting to busy to want to sleep overnight. The last time that I was out, there was a search party that I came into looking for two hunters that had gotten lost. The time before that there was a group of people hunting mushrooms late in the season because they didn't know any different. What's the point of solitude if there are groups of people around.

[@blackoracle69]

sounds like a good choice for you

[@joeltowle2737]

I got a couple of those water proof Chec backpacks. One for me and one for my brother.

[@desertratedc9596]

I guess that's why the alice works for me, I am of average height at 5ft9 but I'm barrel chested so the aloce sits high on my back. I mentioned in an earlier comment I also run a alice Y-harness LBE with the field pack and it all just works for me but mayby I made some sacrifices. I basically got into this hobby with only a surplus store full of 40s-90s GI surplus to buy from as a kid. The system just worked for me, even the older WW2-Vietnam stuff can work with it. I'll have to experiment some.

[@blackoracle69]

hey the bottom line is use what works for you..thanks for watching

[@fishing748]

thanks man i been looking to get good bag

[@blackoracle69]

i hope you have many years of adventures with it

[@stevemalibu99]

That’s a great pack! I think I need one.

[@blackoracle69]

awesome

[@MTwoodsrunner]

I had me a few over the years...awesome packs...I did not like the fact that i could not carry a canteen /cup combo in the side pouches...otherwise a real nice bag built solid as a rock!...great series Blackie!

[@blackoracle69]

Right on

[@carlcox7332]

My very first surplus bag was a korean war gas mask bag. I had that thing for years. Think i paid less than 5 bucks at a trade show when i was around 14 or 15.

[@garrysayer547]

I just clicked on this video to ask you a question. Thank you for responding before BTW. I seriously want an expert to make a video of not about how to live in the Bighorn Mountains of Northern Wyoming when it's VERY cold. I want to learn, maybe teach others. How not to freeze, what to eat, how to hunt, how to grow food. How to survive if it gets crazy. I've asked several survival experts, so far you're the only one that has responded at all. I'm anxiously waiting to see what you have to say. Lol. BTW, thank you for your videos.

[@blackoracle69]

i am happy to answer and question you have..but understand in the big horn mountains is a long way from my woods in the deep south many of the things i teach will apply but other will have to come from those who live local to that and can speak to the ways of those areas thank you for asking

[@TerryC69]

That rucksack is alright, Blackie. Leave it to the German boys and some right impressive Blackie mods for sweet gear.

[@blackoracle69]

lol thanks

[@deanhenderson7545]

They're great packs, I've got 3 (1 canvass, 2 cordura) and I agree with most of what Blackie says. I have done some modifications that he's missed. The buckles are akward, by redoing how the strap goes through it's much easier to adjust when loose and locks up tight when under tension. Much easier to use, hard to explain how to

[@blackoracle69]

thanks for the comment and thank you for watching

[@metalpalatinae]

Got the prior version issued in basic trainig. All the same as yours but with leather straps, strap padding was an add on and all rings were aluminum. My Pack and I were both made in 1988 :-))

[@blackoracle69]

Thanks for sharing!

[@paulwandertetc.5307]

Sehr gutes Video

[@blackoracle69]

thank you

[@robertmiller2629]

I have a bag that is simular to this that I like but don't like it does not have a carry handle which I wish it did plus the straps althoe wide have zero padding it is all canvases with a water resistant bottom in olive drab color with three long pockets one in the middle and one on each side with a large bucket style main area but with no interior back sleeve which is another feature that it had. What I am wondering is how can I fix them to be better this pack rides greater on my back and I can do the same with a strap or paracord to pull the shoulder straps in off my shoulders more if I need to. Can you give me any ideas?

[@williamwatson840]

Thanks, I like the ALIC BUT, How you spoke of the way it fits you is the way it fits me. I have one all packed out and it fit like crap and I feel like I'm going to fall backwards . I'v tried civilian packs they to when filed give me the same feeling. I will say I try to put every thing but the kitchen sink in my packs. One is good two this great so five will you understand. Sorry for the long winded thank you.

[@blackoracle69]

Thanks for sharing!

[@semperfi-1918]

Me personally i love the large alice pack with frame carried it into combat and to this day will use one. I own a few and never has failed me. I trued the newer marine corps and army pack and there is too much to be stuffed into it. And dont like it. To each their own great video.

[@kenbarrett6466]

Cat claw briars.. people that has never experienced them just doesn’t know ..lol. Walk near them and they will lean over and get you .. nice looking surplus pack .. I like the orange panel pocket mod

[@blackoracle69]

oh yes they will stop you in your tracks and take you 5 minutes to get free

[@timothygourley5690]

Could you do a video on your big rucksack??? You are teaching me so much important stuff given the times we live in. Thank you Blackie

[@blackoracle69]

Sure thing!

[@shadowstalker130666]

I agree about the issues with the alice packs, though i do use them. But only for winter, and i make sure heavy stuff is against thr frame, and use the large volume for sleeping bag, and clothing layers. Stuff thats bulky, but fairly light. But generally i like a bag as small as possible, and narrower than my shoulders. And the less 'stuff" dangling the better. Serious underbrush by me, and only need to get hung up a few times to correct your packing.

[@blackoracle69]

you are packing it correct keep as much against you as possible

[@ed5042]

love the patch, I wonder how many folks know what it is

[@blackoracle69]

hey he has a great channel

[@camojoe83]

Nah, gotta have a frame on my summer pack. I like so many in that size range I'd never pick just one other than framed vs not. My medium ALICE on its frame is a favorite since I was literally 6 years old. The one I have is the same one Mom carried to Saudi in the Gulf War, and then I took it as luggage to Greece, Turkey, and Egypt.. it's got sentimental value.. I have a Hæren (Norwegian army) framed canvas pack that's exactly the same layout as that alpine pack except its external framed and leather straps everywhere, excellent find.. currently in that size range I'm in a Kifaru X-Ray for my 'loaded to go' woods pack. Winter time pack favorite from surplus land is the USMC ILBE. Bar none. That pack fits me great, but I'm literally the army template body that all the field gear is made for (6'0", 180, trim waist, broad shoulders). The FILBE is ok, but can get to bulbous pretty quickly unless you have all the straps and know good packing habits. Carries heavy loads like firewood and ammo boxes like a boss, tho. The large ALICE is okay for winter, but i like it better for gear heavy 3 season use instead, the two USMC packs work winter bulk a little better for me, and they have better access. I have yet to try a large MOLLE ruck, or any of the newer army stuff really, just stuck on my alice packs for that branch of surplus... Love the series so far, boss.

[@blackoracle69]

thanks for watching

[@williamgregory6684]

I prefer the Camp Trails packs from the 90's to early 2000's when they moved to Europe.They're made out of either nylon or polyester (I'm not sure) but they're very well made and you can pick them up on eBay for $50-$60 bucks in new to excellent condition. I have 5 medium and large ones in different colors to try and help me remember which stuff I put in each pack. They ride high up on your back,have a lot of pockets and will carry 45-50 litres or more if you strap stuff on the outside. Some also have compression straps and have lots of lash points on the back and front straps. You can also get good lightly used packs from other manufacturers at a large discount from new. Mine are internal frame packs but they're many good external frame packs as well.

[@blackoracle69]

thank you

[@kennethwilson8633]

Personal preference and choice are varied as is the kit your bag will carry. Hopefully you never need to carry belts and bandoliers of ammunition. Have fun on your outings and stay safe.

[@blackoracle69]

thanks for watching

[@Pyjamarama11]

I'm a backpack tragic My favourite is an ex surplus Mystery Ranch 3 Day

[@rat1knives771]

Hey blackie have you tried the swiss army rucksack the all rubber one that has the frame its ki da like the alice and the german alpine very roomy bucket style pack i have one and love it

[@blackoracle69]

i did and had one for several years it was a favorite for canoeing with me

[@frenstcht]

This illustrates well how different people can be: The literal _raison d'etre_ of the frame and belt of a good pack is the very reason you don't like them. This is an observation, not a judgement. Thanks for the video! Cheers!

[@blackoracle69]

Well said!

[@heikoplotner2636]

Lange genutzt, Jägerrucksack, hinten rechts in der Skiöffnung war mein Feldspaten...

[@blackoracle69]

Vielen Dank für den Kommentar und danke, dass Sie meinen Kanal sichere Reisen zu Ihnen gesehen haben

[@savageater57]

Never used one of the "book bag "packs . I had several uncles who had surplus army gear from WWII and or Korea / Vietnam so I still prefer the old canvas gear except for my Alice packs . Still use my old Boy Scout pack made of canvas.

[@blackoracle69]

canvas last forever

[@jimstewart5739]

Geez... I gotta quit watching your videos, me friend! Already decided I have to have one of those Blackbird knives, now I "have to have" one of these rucks... Seriously, excellent video! Hope to see you one day...

[@blackoracle69]

Sorry! just trying to show good gear when i can ..thanks for watching

[@thecause456]

I wish I could find the canvas one but they are sold out everywhere. Also where did you get your hat?

[@davidlawrence616]

Would like you to touch on what you use for your canvas.

[@wabash-defiance5830]

What are the dimensions of the PVC frame that you made for this rucksack?

[@davef5916]

You might like Savotta gear Blackie!

[@user-ou3lo7fv3j]

Blackie - do you use a 30 or 40 litre Alpine Rucksack..?

[@xyzxyz9708]

Did you know there is a larger version of this same pack, called the mountain trooper pack (Gebirgsjägerrucksack)? It isvery rare though.

[@rat1knives771]

Put the usmc 1606 down east frame on its a game changer

[@capcon6]

👍

[@keithmoore5306]

well to be fair the alice pack is designed for grunts 6' or taller! when it was developed the army was getting taller recruits! the Swedish and Swiss packs are pretty good too just less outside pockets frankly though i found a small external frame pack (which i'm partial too! the strap layout fits me good and comfortable!) at goodwill year before last that's good a 5 to 10 days out! and sportsman guide knows full well what it's for it's just they sell it as what most either think it is for or are too damn lazy mentally to figure out what to use it for.

[@blackoracle69]

yep guys were getting bigger in those days