BMW S1000Rattle - engine noise

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[@johnharvey5338]

I have an XR and at 24,0000 miles got very rattly, spoke to BMW garage and they said to fit the silver cap, the said when it starts to rattle again I will need to replace the cam chain and the cam chain guides, big job. I went with the motorworks manual chain tensioner. I now have 50,000 miles and only had to adjust it once. The silver cap pushes the plunger in a few mill further to increase the tension before the pressure builds, mine is so quiet other owners come up to me to ask why it doesn’t rattle at all.

[@decab8292]

It’s comforting to know even reputable manufacturers have design issues with their products. Let’s us know that they are human and that even high end manufacturers can be improved on with tweaks of modification. Let’s hope this solves your issue 👍

[@noggintube]

BMW have loads of issues, but usually get away with it as most people know to get extended warranties so it all gets quietly addressed. BMW and 'engine rattle' would normally make the wallet get nervous.

[@noggintube]

@Andy ALS lol, well thought out response 👍

[@noggintube]

@Andy ALS 💩👍

[@alexclarke5026]

Hi Craig, it is probably no coincidence that the cam chains can rattle on these as BMW ripped off the GSXR 1000 K5 as their starting point. Gixxers used to love to rattle a bit. On older GSXR's the cure was to fit the tensioner from the 750RR as it had a 0.75mm tooth pitch as opposed to the 1.0mm pitch of the larger engine. This aloud the cam chain to be in a better state of tension and reduced the rattles. I have just stumbled across your vids and am already loving it.

[@howardkeynes9845]

the black cap is changed for the silver on at the 12k as part of the service and at 18k they can also put in a spacer if it's needed

[@user-bs6fp5kt4i]

Kolego o jakim dystansie piszesz ? Zmieniłem u siebie na srebrna i dalej jest głośny.

[@roberymcgoff1904]

There's a video out were they show how to attach a spanner to your torque wrench. Then depending on the angle of the spanner do a little calculation to get the torque your looking for. Handy for getting in to tight places. I believe it was one of Michael Wallers videos.Bike builder from upstate New York.RMM

[@junglie]

He might live there but he's not from new yourk he's a geordie marra.

[@chriscrookson8524]

@@junglie He's more a Mackem.

[@junglie]

@@chriscrookson8524 aye gateshead i guessed

[@danmcneil7181]

Good video Craig. Hopefully the problem is now solved. Cheers. 🏍👍🇨🇦

[@bikerbuddy3166]

There’s quite a few trumpets that have had the same problem and still do with the old cam chain rattle , bmw are very good at finding fix’s and doing recalls but most the time if the bikes under warranty they do it without you knowing while it’s in for service, but when that rattles bad it makes ya go for the kill switch definitely a noise to give ya nightmares 😎👌another good watch as ever love the bike 😎👌stay safe

[@sn00pgreen]

my fazer started the cam chain rattle, I just put a new cam chain in and reset the old tensioner..bit fiddley but nice little job for the winter months

[@ryanmoloney99]

Stunning bike great start to my morning 👍

[@philmorrow2446]

Amazing bmw engineering at its best! Isn’t it???😳😂😂😂

[@geoffgreenhalgh3553]

Ha Ha. Not the best. People have been brainwashed that German engineering is the best. Not a chance. I have worked over there. I have recently retired after 49 years as a British turner.

[@colinculverwell325]

Nice bike lets hope thats sorted it. I've got a 600 Fazer that rattles when cold. Quiet once warmed up though. Had tensioner out, wasn't stuck and only half way through its travel. Swapped it for new one anyway. Still does the same thing. Apparently 'they all do that sir'. This is my second Fazer and yes the other one did the same. Fact it only does it from cold start means I can live with it.

[@MsMicheal12345]

hi craig this item should be fitted when the engine done 10,000 miles i believe and its the same on the rr model as well,the rr model has a exhaust valve on the top of the downpipe which when the start rattling that sound is far worse but i,m not sure if your exhaust downpipes has a exh valve at the top on the r model.

[@DTMotorcyclesEssex]

Brilliant content mate I just picked up a Suzuki gs500 yesterday and am also documenting it on my channel 👌🏻

[@paulfranklin6747]

some things never change, my r850r oilhead l/h chain tensioner rattled on start up, fix was new plunger/spring & cap, stops oil draining out, again, Chris Harris covered it on here, surprised inline 4 has similar fault.

[@twozup1098]

“They all do that Mr!” I had a 2014 MT09 that CTC rattled like a good un straight from the box and my current 02 Fireblade does it after every few thousand miles until readjusted. Yam was automatic and blade is on manual CTC. Surely the factories must have the capability to design something far better than what they have just now. My Panigale is the only bike that’s never had the start up rattle- because Desmo. But now they’re moving to chains too on the Multis I believe.

[@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES]

You defo would think in todays world they would have things like this sorted by now, BMW have only been going since 1916, they have had a bit of time to get good at it 🤣

[@valvegeek]

Very interesting. Piaggio X10 - lots of plastic snap-in tabs that are almost designed to break off if you're too rough with them.

[@meshacht4978]

You should have use a spanner and the torque wrench in combination at 90 degrees. If you have never heard of it, have a quick google at what i wrote... Very handy thing to know, when trying to torque something in a tight space.

[@peterwait641]

Would that not require a reduction in torque due to the extra leverage of spanner. socket could be cut down on lathe as shallow hex head on part!

[@meshacht4978]

@@peterwait641 What I was " told " lol, in college. So long as the the angle is at 90 degrees between the spanner and torque wrench it applies the same amount of torque. In fairness I have never had to do this but... It was an old engineer that used to work in coal mines that told me ( my old lecturer ) I did a little search and found this for you to have a browse at lololool ... www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/torque-wrench-extention-question-163642/index2.html

[@memsybabe]

Want to talk about rattles? You wanna hear my 1983 Yamaha Virago 750 start with its Bendix....That's a rattle..!! Hope it all works out Craig 🤞

[@penguinproductions7014]

Talking of viragos I’d LOVE to see what the doghouse would do with a little 535! Probably not something he’s a fan of but I love the look of them and would like to see one sorted in the shed!!

[@poljames7492]

Sitting on the edge of my sofa waiting for a spring or something to go flying accross your shed,,,thankfully i was wrong again

[@chuckhanna249]

Good morning Craig. Thanks for the start of what should be a fine day here in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

[@MrKdr500]

it's 100% cam chain tensioner issues, it's common with hydrolic only tensioners. KTM 4T dirt bikes used to have the same problem & "dirtrix" made a replacement that was hydrolic/rachet type, the rachet part locks it into place when there is no oil pressure from engine not running.

[@HarleyManShorty]

Sawdust always works well 😁

[@stevehopkinson4871]

Good vid Craig your daily ride looks smart

[@sidwainhouse]

You could do with some crow foot spanners for your torque wrench, very handy for tight spots like that. Remember to use a conversion calculator with them.

[@verticalgyno]

setting the crow foot at 90° no conversion needed... Ciao ;))

[@sidwainhouse]

@@verticalgyno true, but you can't always get them to 90 degrees.

[@peterwait641]

Norbar do a special torque wrench with with ring spanner type ends that fit on for tight spaces!

[@mattyb7736]

@@peterwait641 fish weigh scale and a tape measure....then any spanner becomes a torque wrench if you can use a calculator.

[@peterwait641]

@@mattyb7736 torque wrenches are so cheap now why would anyone bother?

[@garysmith7581]

Yo Craig just like that, it would have taken me hours to sort that out, not being a mechanic kid, hope there’s no more rattling 🤞. XX🤠🙏🌈🦋🌎✊

[@iceclimb1897]

Hi .......... I recently rebuilt the motor on my H6 Subaru. I fitted a temp oil pressure gauge to be sure all was well. Oil pump uses liquid gasket driven by a chain so the timing cover is sandwiched alloy. So this gauge is in front of my face and I was surprised to see how high the oil pressure is using 15W - 40W when cold. When warm it drops 50% ...... So ..... My 1199 Panigale is specked for the same oil and like yours rattles on start up that goes away when warm. There-in lies the problem. Nothing to worry about really. I believe you can get a 0W - 40W ... or something but I bet its expensive. No doubt........ I did my time working on two stroke GT Suzuki's. To put my age in to context we had a brand new X75 Hurricane Triumph (Norton lol) at the shop. Mmmm 1973 ;) I do like you do every day in the workshop ..... Great retirement :) I like your work.

[@HepcatHarley]

Blast it! I was touring the Estate looking for poachers and feeding the swans. Didn't see this 'til I had put my blunderbuss away.

[@roberymcgoff1904]

Come clean now. You were out poaching the Kings deer again. Best keep close to the shed RMM British Iron of Connecticut

[@piearm1271]

What? You were feeding the swans on the feast day of Saint Edmund of the worthless miracle, fie Sir, a penance of a dozen pies or else the plague of the greenfly shall visit your visor. I will consume many pies for your redemption. I am your cordial scribe Diogenes Crynge-Groat. Fastest pie arm of the kingdom.

[@HepcatHarley]

@@piearm1271 Only a dozen? are you on a diet? Jeez man, shape up or go home :)

[@piearm1271]

@@HepcatHarley in all humility sir it may only be a dozen but when each could feed four?

[@HepcatHarley]

@@piearm1271 You've redeemed yourself with said comment :D

[@shaunholbrook2288]

dont worry about working on the bikes, wheres blue? havent seen him for a while !

[@handsfree1000]

The price BMW charge for their bikes should be enough for them to test the bike before production and get it right.

[@thedriverofallthings]

Yea that rattle drove me nuts also

[@piearm1271]

Interesting film, funny how many tensioner designs are weak. I’ve had three Diversion 600s and two needed help to stay tensioned. I’m ignorant of the design on the BMW, if it’s oil pressure that is the media the smaller volume of the new cap is suggestive.

[@rottieman347]

Check out Chris Harris on youtube. He's a BMW specialist now based in Canada. I've got a feeling the old tensioner was in 2 pieces with a plunger on the inner. The new replacement is one piece. I might be talking through my backside but just trying to help. Good luck

[@mufinman1987]

This happened to my mate. He called Bahnstormer BMW and they replaced it for free.

[@PaulMappud]

If it's been sitting crank it till the oil pressure light goes out then start it... All bikes with a oil pressure cct do it as they age.

[@H-M-78]

Any follow up on this?

[@gabrieljohannson6777]

Nice work Sir. Off-topic, have you experienced a buzzing sound between 80km-90km?

[@davidsawkins9713]

Hi just had a 2017 S1000R silver bolt only last about 10,000 Klms. Then new cam chain!! 31,000 klm. Not sure if good or bad? As I bought it with 27,000 k it did not last long!! Australia.

[@XS65080]

Think they're called panel clips or body clips. That's what I call them anyway. 🤔

[@Papa_Kilo]

The boxer engine has the same issue, as mentioned watch Chris Harris videos.

[@gerrypowell2748]

The R1100s had a badly designed cam chain tensioner which allowed oil to drain out of it it too had have an upgrade as cam chains eventually died a noisy death🙄agh BMW🤪

[@deaniversen351]

manuals are better and easy to adjust and once you have it adjusted it doesn't need adjusting again until your chain needs replacing, maybe once in between? install manual tensioner, screw in till snug, start bike, back off till it rattles a lil, then tighten till it stops rattling, then go 1/2 -3/4 turn and lock, those engines have a scary valve trail all the way around you are aware of this right? unless they've dialed it down for the S model, you can read the horror stories online

[@jiltedjohn9294]

Looks like doing the valve clearances on that engine would be a big job, unless they're hydraulic ?

[@mariob.7323]

where is part 2

[@mattyb7736]

torque wrench? you don't have a ring spanner, tape measure and a fish scale? simple calculation and the tight spaces are no longer a problem.

[@mattsta1964]

Aprilla V4s have the same annoying problem.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Exact same thing happens to the Triumph Explorer/Tiger 1200’s. It’s no problem and owners just leave it.

[@geoffreyjones2000]

They make noise cancelling headphones, sir

[@smallwheels]

Arn't they a Rotax lump?

[@Rust_valley_adventures]

I've bought 2 new bmw s1000rr's over the years and I can honestly say the gsxr 1000 is a better bike and alot more reliable .. I put 32k on my old gixer thou and beat the crap out of it for 2 and half years . I'd take a gixer over the bmw any day of the week just for the fact you can beat on it and not worry, the gearbox was alot nicer ,smoother and tighter than the bm ones . The gixer wouldn't hit a false neutral at all while the Bm's would on a regular basis .....

[@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES]

Ive had a few GSXR's over the years and absolutely loved them, I do really like the BMW and will keep it for a good while as i really get on with it, hopefully it will behave itself now.

[@Rust_valley_adventures]

@@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES they great bikes the bm but gsxr's got soul , I've still got a new Austin racing titanium and carbon fibre end can here that would fit yours lol as it was a spare for track days but never used it lol . Get rid of the cat and stock end can and you'll save about 7 kg in weight off it and a reflash will wake it up and you'll gain torque as the bmw does lack grunt down low compared to the gixxer 1000s .. They lovely bike none the less but they do need a tweak here and there to make them a proper weapon on track and road ...

[@robbinred]

How many miles on this one because my dad had the same problem with that noise on a 1000 rr

[@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES]

17,300 on this bike Robbin, ive seen some say they have had the rattle start around 6000, I guess its down to how hard they are used.

[@robbinred]

@@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES yes dads had 21,000 miles on his its a nasty sound when you first hear it he sold the bike it did it twice on me at MOT then nothing

[@memybikeni9931]

I assume with a warm engine the rattle goes away with all of the thermal expansion going on rather than oiling, so hopefully that will sort it. If not maybe try a heavier oil with a bit more stiction maybe.

[@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES]

so far it seems better, I also gave it an oil change so we will see how it goes.

[@memybikeni9931]

@@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES I find your channel highly inspiring, you achieve some amazing results with the most basic of tools sometimes. Very old school. I know this vid is just a bit of spannering but I can never wait to see what you’ll do next. Looking forward to seeing the Turbo Bike re emerge from the corner. Need a customer bike clear out first I guess 😊

[@graemedernbach8090]

It's 18nm....

[@allangeorgewainwright3812]

It's shakes rattles and rolls 😩

[@craigthompson1794]

You should hear the wife she rattles

[@Calidro146]

The hp tensioner should have been covered by warranty. Depends on your dealer I guess. Hopefully it cures your rattle. The real problem is the cam chain gets kinked. New cam chain, guide and followers are the true fix.

[@TurboJunkie1]

Now you know why it was so cheap,😂🤣🤘🤘..oh and I hope you sort it

[@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES]

hahaha probably... Eventually every single one does it apparently, I think the silver cap is an after thought by BMW and probably should of been a recall

[@TurboJunkie1]

@@THEDOGHOUSECUSTOMMOTORCYCLES here's hoping it works bud 🤘🤘

[@eddiemizen3703]

I hate whareing plastic, I mean on bikes 😉

[@mortmort8633]

Grommet?

[@dondle2]

What about Wallace. ???

[@windym709]

First

[@andydosanjh1116]

Dzus fastener

[@billrandell4641]

I expect a timing chain replacement video is soon to come... LOL....It's just part of owning a late model high dollar bike..I stick to "old bikes" to avoid all the "built in obsolescence"...I don't know when it happened, but standing around bragging about how much you just spent at a dealer in repair maintenance, has become a "rich guy" thing???...Can't wait to hear that Suzuki fire off!!

[@robbinred]

Found this Craig you need the tensioner on it kzbin.info/www/bejne/naWTpaSwg5V8m6s

[@markmagee8755]

Hi, thought you may be interest to see how this video uses a different part to fix his engine rattle. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYamYqd5rb58o7s

[@eddie1330]

Hi I have watched most of your videos Very skilful work But sorry that is one of the most ugliest motor bike's I have ever seen Maybe BMW have great engineering, but crap styling Sorry but I just had to say it Eddie