Bob Lutz on the Corvette C8, Tesla Model S... and more! - Autoline After Hours 482

GUEST: Bob Lutz, Former Vice Chairman, General Motors
TOPICS:
10:00 - Corvette C8: We drove it
19:48 - Cadillac version of C8 Canceled?
27:09 - Bob Talks Tesla
35:42 - Lincoln: Doing a Superb Job
47:18 - Rivian
51:15 - FCA: Ram outselling Silverado
59:08 - Rapid Fire Viewer Questions
1:04:02 - UAW Strike
1:09:22 - Lutz's Favorite Daily Driver
PANEL:
- Frank Markus, MotorTrend
- Gary Vasilash, Automotive Design & Production
- John McElroy, Autoline.tv
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[@brianmurray2687]

Let's ask the guy whose been completely wrong about Tesla from the beginning, about Tesla.

[@TheDaltonmichaels]

its ok to be wrong and have a evolving opinion. also hes heavily invested in battery technology so growth in electric cars means growth in his pocket , so i believe that hes speaking honestly even if it turn out hes wrong. and if hes wrong than he still makes money lol.

[@DeerKoden]

@@TheDaltonmichaels "highly invested"? He kept on spitting on Tesla, GM and other companies in the US including dealers associations have been planning how to destroy Tesla. GM assembles the Bolt out of LG parts, so much so that you could call the car the LG Bolt...and you can basically thank Bob Lutz for that! As of 2019 Tesla still isn't even ALLOWED to sell car directly in several states of the Union. Just tell me if that's fair, in comparison. GM can sell a car made out of LG parts and Tesla can't sell their own cars in many states. Bob Lutz is a symbol of the failure that brought GM to chapter 11 back then.

[@therealctoo4183]

@@TheDaltonmichaels He's just wrong, and his opinion doesn't change. Even worse, the way he gets to his opinion is just wrong. This guy is the poster child for wrong. Edit: Anyone who thinks that lithium ion batteries are all the same technology is either a fool or a liar. Since he frequently claims that Tesla's batteries are no different from everyone else's, I'll assume that he's been corrected by chemists and people in the battery industry before. That makes him a liar. Still wrong, but not a fool. Hmmm, which is worse? Liar or fool?

[@BJK1715]

@@therealctoo4183 I think what's 'different' about Tesla's lithium ion battery technology is their software that controls them. Just like Ford and GM share 10-speed tranny's, it's the software that controls them that can make all the difference.

[@therealctoo4183]

@@BJK1715 Software *is* important, but there are significant differences in the chemistry. If Lutz doesn't know this, he's an idiot. If he does know it, he's a liar. Either way, he's completely wrong and not to be trusted.

[@73_de_CJHall]

What is most embarrassing about the Bob Lutz interview is Autoline's failure to refute his claims about the battery. They seem to prefer not alienating Lutz so he will continue to appear rather than being credible interviewers. IMHO OF COURSE

[@JimJCJimbo]

Rename the show dinner with Bob Lutz

[@dzerres]

"Pudding night at the home with Bob Lutz"

[@AlexeyTubeVideos]

Rather "Loosers Hangover"

[@gphilipc2031]

They almost caused him to choke to death at the beginning of the show.

[@BrianBull]

i got to give Bob credit... At least he is consistently wrong

[@macioluko9484]

And we all know that consistency is the toughest thing!

[@rkalla]

LOL!

[@westnash]

In Bob's worst day you should have a grain of his auto knowledge

[@redxsage]

*Mr. Bob Lutz:* Dude. Really? Tesla has outsold Cadillac, Chrysler, Lincoln, Jaguar, Land Rover, and Porsche each one brand-for-brand in their entirety for 21 months straight in the U.S. This isn't _'hype'._ This is fact. This is the new reality. Accept it. The #9 Tesla Model 3 currently outsells GM's best selling passenger car, the #10 Chevrolet MALIBU. No advertising. No _'independent franchised dealerships'._ No unionized labor. Gaining market share. Not one Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, or Lincoln passenger car beats Tesla Model 3 in sales. If Tesla ever crosses 12% U.S. market share, GM will go out of business. AGAIN.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

And now the FIT credit for Tesla is going bye-bye

[@Frost517]

no union. well, not surprising seeing how tesla commies wanted to build cars employing no one that could throw every taxi rideshare and truck driver on the street. screw elon. gm can rebuild a volt in 1 week. tesla can’t deliver good paint on a new car or fix a fender in under 6 months.

[@redxsage]

@@Frost517 -- Unions suck. 100% of every American automotive manufacturer that has gone out of business in the past 70 years used a unionized workforce, paid for advertising, and had _'independent franchised dealerships'._ I have never seen an operational Hudson, Studebaker, or Kaiser. My Nephews will never be able to identify a Mercury, Pontiac, Plymouth, or Oldsmobile on sight. I didn't know AMC existed as an option for purchase until they went out of business and were bought by Chrysler, who turned them into Eagle, which is now also out of business. · California, where Tesla is based, is a VERY union friendly State. Unions dominate almost every industry there. Education, logistics, railyards, airports, shipyards, construction, security, entertainment, automotive, aerospace, agriculture, government, and more... Typically, you can't swing a cat by the tail without striking a union member most anywhere in California. Organized Labor is historically aligned with the interests of Marxism. Do you actually know what a _'Commie'_ is...? However, there is one aspect of labor in one particular industry that in the past 45 years no labor union has ever been able to cajole, convince, demand, engage, infiltrate, or persuade to join. Silicon Valley tech companies. None of them have unions. Why? Because the Entrepreneurial Spirit of their operation is purely focused upon Capitalism, not Marxism, those people are anything but _'Commies'._ Because they figured out a LONG time ago that treating people fairly, giving them ample benefits, and paying them well resulted in happy, dedicated employees that worked their asses off to reach a goal. Result? No unions required. · Safety. That is the number one reason for autonomous driving technology. You don't have to believe me. Stop by the website for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration _(NHTSA)_ and it will tell you as much. No, it isn't about _'taking away jobs'_ from drivers. It does have the added benefit of making logistics less expensive by having transport take place continuously around the clock without fatigue, emotions, and poor decision making causing accidents. Killing people. On the order of 40,000 people die in car accidents each year. Reducing that to 4,000 or less, and hopefully to zero, is a good thing. · GM cancelled the VOLT. Because in a decade, they never sold over thirty thousand of them in any given year. Of course, for a decade, they never BUILT over thirty thousand of them in any given year. GM sells on the order of 3,000,000 vehicles in the U.S. every year. But for some reason they were unable to build/sell over 1% of their annual U.S. output of cars as plugins. Oh, and until the BOLT arrived, the VOLT was their single highest rated car in customer satisfaction. But GM still refused to build more of them. Owners LOVE that car. Instead, GM sold hundreds of thousands of the CRUZE and MALIBU each year. Cars that are both currently outsold by the Tesla Model 3. In fact, the Model 3 outsells EVERY passenger car offered by GM in the U.S. And that is why, as a much smaller operation than GM, Tesla uses their parts to build NEW cars and has a much lower priority on supplying spare parts to repair fender benders. Meanwhile, GM has been in the spare parts business for 111 years. Moral of the story? If you crash often, get a Chevy. Tell me, why do you believe it is necessary for rideshare operators, taxi drivers, and truck drivers to be unionized? On a factory tour years ago, *Elon Musk* was told that unions were very important. He asked why, and was told in no uncertain terms, _"We need unions to protect employees from the ASSHOLES in management."_ He responded, _"Oh, that's simple. Don't hire assholes, and you don't have that problem."_ At that moment he instituted a strict *_'NO ASSHOLES'_* hiring policy across all his businesses. It seems to have worked. Do you work for an asshole? If so, I'd suggest you quit. Because assholes have a problem. They think that if they are running a business and it does well, it is _BECAUSE_ they are being an asshole, that the company is doing well. No. It never occurs to them the opposite is true. If you are running a good business it does well IN SPITE OF your being an asshole, not BECAUSE OF IT. FYI...? 1) Tesla is the single largest employer outside the Government in the Great State of California. 2) EVERY mass market automobile manufacturer is working on full autonomy, everywhere in the world.

[@redxsage]

@@aliendroneservices6621 -- *[WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT]...?* _'FIT Credit'...?_ Tesla has EARNED *ZEV Credits* with every car they built, through a program developed, devised, and implemented at the request of traditional automobile manufacturers in 1990, thirteen years before Tesla was founded, eighteen years before their first car was Delivered. Those don't _'run out'_ at all, for anyone, ever. So long as they keep building compliant cars. There is a Federal Plugin Tax Credit available to Consumers who purchase plugin hybrid or fully electric cars for use in the U.S. That allows people to KEEP more of the money they earn. It isn't some type of monetary reward directly to Tesla at all. It isn't a _'subsidy'._ If you insist that it _IS 'a subsidy',_ then the same must be true of the *Section 179 Bisiness Tax Credit* that is awarded to companies that buy overweight gas guzzling Pickup Trucks and SUVs and provides a much larger monetary benefit that is actually eternal, everlasting, continual, forever. It has no phase out at all. Though those vehicles sell in the hundreds of thousands of units each year. All it requires is that the vehicle is operated at least 50% of the time for business applications during the calendar year it is acquired, and that it has a GVWR over 6,000 pounds.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

@@redxsage Model X also qualifies for the Section 179 subsidy. It doesn't run on gasoline.

[@leeoldershaw956]

Most every EV manufacturer admits that Tesla is far ahead in batteries, motors and software. None of the new EV's are competitive with Tesla in these areas. The TayCan is so inefficient that even with it's 800 volt system and 270 kw charging it doesn't recharge in miles per minute as fast as a Model 3. People seldom admit they're wrong. Even in the factual scientific world they usually die first. Lutz will be no exception.

[@electrictroy2010]

Praise the Holy Tesla! Our messiah on earth!!!! Aaaaaamen .

[@eri4ever466]

It's astonishing that, Bob Kutz, a man who was involved in the development of the revolutionary Chevy Volt and popularized the phrase "range anxiety" either doesn't know Tesla's battery advantage or is so anti-Tesla that he risks sounding hopelessly clueless.

[@stevebothe1416]

Yeah, I really can't understand how he believes what he said. What about Maxwell and Jeff Dahn technologies and their recent Hibar acquisition? No-one else has this technology. And yet me maintains Tesla have no advantage... He will be eating crow over that statement in the very near term.

[@73_de_CJHall]

Bob Lutz saying that the Tesla batteries are no better is either pure denial or he is sucking up to his new masters. The Taycan and Étron have the same size packs yet have pathetic range. Yet BL says they are equal? Shady Farms Old Folks home, we have a new customer for you.

[@Slick1020]

Panasonic makes the batteries that Tesla uses you moron.

[@oystla]

Strange that Bob Lutz Brags about being involved in battery startups, and does not understand the Tesla battery efficiency leadership...

[@James-kp8mg]

Actually that's not that strange. You look at the constant need for cheaper labor and cheaper materials through various corporate fields makes it clear most of these ppl are clueless. If any of them had half the vision of a Musk or Jobs they'd flourish despite economy or regulations. Instead they need a slanted tax code w/additional pork handouts to delay the inevitable bankruptcy.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

tesla does not have exclusive battery leadership. you can buy 250wh/kg from a lot of other battery manufacturers. most car companies just went cheaper to make more profit. only companies like porsche are using that because they have a different priority on the performance vs price scale

[@James-kp8mg]

@@stefanweilhartner4415 Tesla's battery chemical make up is unique. Most battery makers have a different chemistry. That plays a role in range. Ever notice Tesla gets more range than bigger batteries.

[@James-kp8mg]

@@stefanweilhartner4415 And only Tesla makes a profit on a mass production ev. The rest lose money per unit.

[@JBsC6]

Bob Lutz is an american icon. Same for the c8 corvette. Seven months in as my daily driver Im digging my c8 z51 fe4...fabulous drive

[@Pikminiman]

Bob Lutz's belief that all lithium-ion batteries have the same energy density should singlehandedly disqualify him from speaking about all-electric vehicles at all.

[@mikaelsvartdahl]

Pikminiman woooord

[@ltkwok2961]

Battery tech is changing constantly.

[@jeand1902]

True, this guys is embarrassing himself with simplifying statements like that, data about Tesla edge over energy consumption per mile is everywhere, just ask via google and you'll see Audi is 100% less efficient when tested by independent user out there ! Only Kia and Hyundai are the only one matching.

[@notyoyoma]

33:10 "Tesla is exactly at the same place as everybody else... Lithium Ion has a certain energy content per kwh and everyone else has the same one" Uh Huh... The sentence "Energy Content per kwh" doesn't even make remote sense. I think he meant to say "RAWWRR! Ooh pretty comet"

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

well yes and no. in the actual cars we see densities of 210-250wh/kg. that is a difference but not huge. the other thing is that for example VW chose 210wh/kg even if they had the possibility to buy 250wh/kg like every car company can do. the reason is very simple: the kwh is cheaper with the 210wh/kg density. latest tech is sometimes too expensive. tesla does not have an advantage over the other companies regarding battery tech.

[@Nerfcar1]

They never talk about the electric cars that GM made over 20 years ago that could have made them them the "Tesla" of today.

[@hvacmike1175]

I don’t know but was bob around when GM killed the electric car. Maybe he was the executioner and is jealous of Elon. Hey Bob in case you haven’t noticed Elon is also making deliveries to the space station with reusable rockets. And please name the vehicle that can drive itself better than a Tesla. Tesla has more data on self driving than anyone from its onboard systems of virtually every Tesla on the road today. When you give the competition a 11 year head start it’s hard to catch up especially when they are constantly evolving and improving the product. something no big name car company is willing or able to do. Because the Bob Lutzs of the world are running them.

[@misbzdok]

Oh I can't believe you went there. 😆😆😆

[@OneNationUnderGod.]

People will be talking about GM's EVs in the near future, don't discount them simply because they don't hype up cars that are a few years away like Tesla does (I'm still waiting to see that Tesla pickup that is a couple years from delivery) when GM starts hyping their future cars production is usually just a few months away. Look at the upcoming C8, it's going into production next spring and we just started seeing test mules a few months ago.

[@bob15479]

Calls Teslas tech “decent”. Months after Munro explained in that very chair that they’re on par with fighter jets.

[@macioluko9484]

Bob “the OEMs have a couple of decades to catch up” Lutz

[@alexnutcasio936]

Tesla discussion starts at 26:15 , you're welcome..........

[@kingmiura8138]

Nest time....give Bob the chips before the show.

[@Christoph1888]

Was so distracting

[@SecondLifeDesigner]

One thing Lutz is forgetting when he compares Tesla with other car companies that are coming out with their own EVs is that Tesla has a huge charging station network. No other car company has a networks of charging stations. That gives Tesla a huge advantage.

[@shepherdsknoll8]

Lutz is still thinking 250 miles is a lot of range. Tesla is currently at 370 miles and what do you want to bet will be in the 400 mile range in 2020 ?

[@Alexzw92]

You called it! Lol

[@timothywyatt722]

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[@daltonadriel3597]

@Timothy Wyatt instablaster =)

[@timothywyatt722]

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[@timothywyatt722]

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[@ramonpunsalang3397]

Living proof dinosaurs aren't extinct.

[@bikesqump]

shhhhh, they'll harvest him for more oil if you tell them he's a dino!

[@jbp122]

He’s accomplished a lot in his career.

[@htnowpro]

Bob doesn't mention Tesla has supercharger infrastructure and battery mega battery factory infrastructure. Buick, Porsche and the like don't have any of that. It's not just the car with a battery that counts that wins, it's the whole package.

[@binauralauto3621]

Bring in the 1080p looks like I'm watching this in the 80s.

[@extendedepicmusic5017]

2012 Tesla Model S had a 265 mile range, in 2019 no other car maker has yet to get close to that real would range. The world has changed since Lutz was in charge of GM, if you continue to do the same things you will not progress. That is the lesson that Lutz fails to realize, Lutz is a dinosaur

[@kedaruss]

"I think at the latest 18 to 24 months time it will be evident to everyone that GM is in fact in the leadership position in EVs and already in a leadership position in autonomous vehicles." - Ladies and gentlemen, I present you BOB LUTZ!!!! Please give him a big round of applause! Greatest comedian of this night!

[@kedaruss]

BIG BATTERY!! 250 miles! yeah!! Just like Tesla Model 3 with the smallest battery? Because the cheapest Model S has 370...

[@kedaruss]

"And I continue to believe in this what I keep repeating on now see on when it comes to electrification technology, batteries, etc. Tesla is in exactly the same place as everybody else. They use lithium-ion... " This guy is amazing. So all ICE makers are equal because they use petrol?

[@kedaruss]

"you could argue that a Tesla thanks to very clever marketing and PR Tesla has more image value than equivalent electric Chevrolet..." - WOW! I missed something! Where are electric Chevelets equivalent to Tesla cars? Where can I get one with 350 miles and 2,2 second 0-60? How much does it cost?

[@jmos96]

Wow, what did they put in those chips? There was a lot of wisdom espoused between crunches and post nasal drip.

[@dlwatib]

Lutz was incredibly rude to be eating all during the show and crunching into the mic. Very unprofessional. His analysis of Tesla is still quite hopeless and the market is proving him wrong. Porsche just priced itself out of the Model S market with its Taycan. If Cadillac takes Lutz's advice, they will too. And both will underwhelm on key specs like range and acceleration because Tesla Model S is just plain better. Audi e-Tron and Jaguar I-Pace also underwhelm on specs and are destined for dismal sales as a result, at least in the USA. In Britain the Jag may have a "home" market advantage, and in Germany the Audi may as well, but in both cases it won't be because the cars are better than the Tesla, it will be because of customer brand loyalty. Likewise, the target audience for the Taycan appears to be other Porsche owners. In other words, the best the Tesla competition can hope for is to slow the flow of defections from their customer base that are currently going to Tesla. Tesla will still gain among customers that don't have a strong brand preference (and customers rich enough to afford several cars). Many Tesla owners trade up from a less expensive car when buying a Tesla. Tesla sales are growing by leaps and bounds, and the vast majority of the sales are coming out of the hide of legacy auto makers, mostly other ICE makers, but also PHEVs. Lutz is wrong when he says that Tesla only has more range because it has a bigger battery. It's also more efficient, especially the Model 3. Tesla isn't just buying EV powertrain components out of a catalog and creating a Frankenstein's monster of a vehicle. They're developing all critical components in-house and vertically integrating on a scale not seen since Henry Ford built the River Rouge plant. They may have manufacturing partners for some components, like Panasonic for batteries, but they're still built to Tesla specs. GM, on the other hand, outsourced the entire EV powertrain for the Bolt EV to L G Chem and utilized no in-house expertise or investment whatsoever. Tesla and L G Chem have made the necessary EV investments, and they will reap the rewards. GM hasn't, and they will lose money on every EV sale, like they do with the Bolt EV, until they bring their EV program in-house and start building their own batteries, motors and controllers. Concerning autonomy, GM/Cruise is an also-ran. Waymo had the head start, but Tesla has the winning strategy and will therefore be the ultimate winner. GM/Cruise just doesn't have the data gathering capability to compete with Tesla in developing the necessary AI technology for autonomy. Neither does anybody else. It's a bit mystifying to me why everybody in Detroit thinks GM is so far ahead. It's not. It can't be. It's strategy involves exploiting geo-fencing, HD mapping and LIDAR. They will hit a brick wall with those technologies, if they haven't already. It makes for convincing demonstrations to those who know nothing about the underlying technology, but it's not a general, scalable solution. And it's expensive, especially the LIDAR. Tesla is also the only autonomy company that has solved the packaging issues and the cost issues. Every other company, including Cruise and Waymo, add ugly sensors to the vehicle, and range-sapping computers inside, many even taking up the trunk space with all the electronics. Only Tesla has developed its own AI chip that has adequate performance *and* low power consumption, and only Tesla has all the electronics (except the sensors) on a single board. Only Tesla has figured out how to eliminate the expensive and ugly LIDAR sensors. And last but by no means least, only Tesla has implemented the robust over-the-air software updating infrastructure necessary to support an AI project of this magnitude. The traditional auto industry approach of burning all the software into ROM for the life of the vehicle (or until the dealer replaces the ROM, for a fee) just isn't a responsive enough solution for AI, which *must* be updated regularly to incorporate new machine learning.

[@electrictroy2010]

Praise the Holy Tesla! Our messiah on earth!!!! Aaaaaamen .

[@kobbetop]

This legend is 87 and I think he is allowed to commit small crimes like this...

[@shepherdsknoll8]

dlwatib , well said. I was in Mt. View recently. This is an area that Waymo is heavily testing in. Waymo vans are everywhere, sometimes 3-4 visible at a time. They have a huge superstructure on the roof with a big blue lidar cherry on top of that. On each corner of the van and on the front and back they have extended twirling prisms. The only thing I could think while viewing all this, “do they really think this is what the future of self driving will look like ?”

[@cesarnotary]

Dlwatib!!! You saved me allot of typing. Bob Lutz never disappoints when it comes to his opinions. He is a fossil from the Paleolithic era. I laughed out loud when after calling the Model y ugly for having a modern concept car design, here then sees a Lincoln Navigator and loves the design! Hilarious. How the hell did this guy become the car legend? I'll answer my own question. We are getting expert opinions on bridles for horses when we were making a transition to the horseless carriage.

[@redxsage]

*Bob Lutz* did the same in/around September 2018 when he visited Autoline. Ate almost the whole time. Maybe they should take him to Olive Garden or Applebee's for their next live interview at his lunchtime. C'mon, these old dudes have known each other for decades. No harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance. In Detroit, lunch waits for no man.

[@superloose5632]

3 minutes after receiving my model3, I will never go back to an ice vehicle. Best car I’ve ever owned. Thank you Elon.

[@moebees3060]

Listening to Bob Lutz talk EVs is the best comedy show ever!!!

[@Thomas-re9ky]

Model 3: 75kWh battery gets 310 miles Audi eTron: 95kwh battery gets 200 miles. Lutz is so full of it. Tesla does not have the same battery tech as others. They’re both lithium ion but obviously their efficiency is way different. Fkn retord

[@PeterKontor]

I'll buy model Y as soon I will come out. Never going to buy a combustion engine car.

[@archon612]

This guy living under a rock? Car manufactures are just now able to come close to what the 2012 Model S is capable of. That's 8 years behind Tesla. Now add In the super charger network software and hardware they are far ahead. Good luck going on a road trip with an EV that isn't a Tesla. Your Tesla will charge up in 20 minutes and off you go, any other EV your stuck for hours charging. Lol at his statement on the roadster, semi, and model y. They all have a market. And come November we find out about the pickup truck. I also laughed when he stated about how Tesla cleaverly marketed the cars. They don't spend money on marketing, the car speaks for itself and the owners market them because well it's hard not to rave about them when you own one.

[@selldivision]

How many times did GM hit the wall while Bob Lutz was in the house?

[@MichaelStephenLau]

Why are some of the followers of this channel ignorant to the reality that Electric vehicles are better now in every way. More specifically when speaking of Teslas. Otherwise, meh. The rest are doomed if they don't start fighting for who's going to be the 2nd best manufacturer.

[@Kuth70]

Can we all just agree Bob Lutz just isn't relevant any more?

[@kedaruss]

No problem, done :)

[@Paul_C]

@@kedaruss and dusted. Maybe even buried.

[@notyoyoma]

The population of people willing to put their professional reputation alongside the Tesla shorts is shrinking. There will always be some, and they may have some good points, so it pays to listen and understand their criticism. But eventually it will stop selling newspapers and generating clicks, so people will stop listening to them.

[@curtisangelamay1510]

The "Big Battery" at Tesla is a 370 mile battery on the model S, not 250.

[@adnankahrimanovic7977]

Only wise people knows when to quit.. Obviously Bob is not one of them.. Time for younger and much smarter people in industry

[@777jones]

Adnan Kahrimanovic who haven’t achieved even 1:10 of what he achieved. The companies he worked for currently vastly out-earn Tesla.

[@adnankahrimanovic7977]

@@777jones first of all you have no idea what I have achieved, second I never said he didn't achieve anything, just all of his achievements belongs to last century car industrie thinking, welcome to 2019 new car industrie. Remeber Nokia and they old school thinking?? At this moment he is just dinosaur at the end of his car legacy and having a bad time to deal with reality. But send me a message in couple of years to see who is right

[@Samuel-ym7ls]

Just came back for a Bob Lutz laugh. This is not aging well for him.

[@karlk9316]

Bob Lutz's thought of a Corvette brand, high performance/engineering, SUV I believe is right on track.

[@teslatrev5764]

We in the UK are not used to bad manners .... eating during interview .... must be an US thing....

[@mikemcallister3138]

An oldie but goodie ! Great to watch again.

[@dogphlap6749]

Lutz rejoined GM on September 1, 2001, as vice chairman of Product Development. On November 13, 2001, he was named chairman of GM North America and served in that capacity until April 4, 2005. In late 2003, General Motors, officially canceled the EV1 program. Why would anyone want to take advice from this man.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

If Tesla WAS "up against a 300 mile fully electric Porsche 4 door" it Might be an issue. But it's not.

[@voltaire229]

Hey its up against a 220 mile $150k Porsche 4 door though!

[@redxsage]

@@voltaire229 -- I bet if someone drives it _'like a Porsche'_ the range drops to below 150 miles, though.

[@nebe]

Bob oversaw the Pontiac Aztec. That guy.... Knows cars... Look how successful that car was

[@miltonmiller]

At some point everyone gets tired of being wrong. LOL

[@mazdaratti89]

Bob seems to be enjoying eating crow on Telsa.

[@dlwatib]

Is that what he's eating? He must be munching on the bones because there's a lot of crunching sounds going into that mic!

[@electrictroy2010]

Praise the Holy Tesla! And our Elon... our messiah on earth!!!! Aaaaaamen .

[@genetaylor4457]

@@electrictroy2010 You just keep believing that. Musk is a snake oil salesman.

[@kenfarris8069]

@@genetaylor4457 What you may not realize, is the world needs innovators and dreamers to advance. They are often referred to as Snake Oil Salesmen. Engineers and computer scientists are a dime a dozen. Bless the Snake Oil Salesmen.

[@stanspb763]

@@kenfarris8069 Except he IS an engineer who happens to be a visionary. No snake oil involved, he has a track record of blowing up paradigms and changing everything. His company is likely to be the largest transportation company on earth in 5-10 years. Not sales, but transportation. His free fleet of over a million robo-taxis transform cities and reduce car ownership while dropping the cost of transportation to fractions of what people have been used to for 100 years. Still waiting for any ICE maker's BEV that can compete with a 2012 used Model S.

[@georgechisholm3723]

Bob is a genius about everything to do with automotive. I always read his articles in R&D. Thank you for this great interview. Also, hopefully the C8 will eventually have a manual transmission ; until then I will wait. Older guys and gals want a manual !

[@JohnBeans]

Tesla's range is just due to battery size? C'mon, it's the opposite: Audi and Jag have already shown they need bigger batteries to approach the range of a more efficient Tesla with a smaller battery. And Tesla's advantage is marketing and smoke and mirrors? Tesla = anti-marketing. They just pump out cool products and let them speak. And Cadillac should NEVER be the brand for EVs, it's the segment of older, conservative buyers. EV = tech. Gosh, listening to Bob will help manufacturers fall even further behind. Good grief.

[@hfe1833]

Short sellers maybe angry to Bob Lutz, everytime he says about tesla the opposite happens, several days after this show, Tesla stocks and profit rises

[@ashleysilva7414]

It seems Bob Lutz is losing it or has lost it. He is truly out of touch with what is going on. I hope he lives for another three years to see Tesla clean up. SMH.

[@JG-ef2cn]

Down to earth kinda guy. Love it or leave it.

[@hvacmike1175]

J G either ignorant or misleading In his position in the auto industry this is unacceptable

[@fatboy19831]

I don't agree with a ton of what Bob Lutz says. There is no denying his genius. One hour twenty three minutes went by in an instant. Definitely one of your most entertaining shows.

[@jamesyeung7029]

I would short the company that uses Bob lutz as a consultant !

[@V0YAG3R]

J Y And Islam is a religion of peace 👌🏻

[@hartfischer5509]

Forgive Bob Lutz for eating during the show, it is “ After Hours”, with the car guys hanging out and enjoying talking about cars. That is part of the show s appeal. And Bob is not always right, especially when it comes to EVs, but he has incredible insights into the industry that are really interesting to hear. Great show as always

[@extendedepicmusic5017]

To Bob Lutz, please look at Tesla stock vs GM and Ford's stock prices

[@martingardens]

Tesla's up $45 today. 17.67%!

[@rafacq]

You can’t find someone else to have in your show? Lutz is old school and will never catch with the present. I have no interest on what he has to say (or eat).

[@rogerstarkey5390]

7:10- 7:30 "I could handle the financials, not as an expert.......... I had a decent understanding of manufacturing and technology, I knew what roller tappets were.... Probably one out of about 25 executives who knew that....." He just explained why Elon musk is taking names. He understands ALL the technology.

[@stanspb763]

Hell, he re-invented most of them.... Their hardware electronics such as their new AI image processor is the most advanced in the world that changes everything in machine learning, AI, real time machine vision. There are so many inventions that have gone into the cars, the SpaceX, the stationary power systems, the Boring etc...and now urban transportation will transform cities, making them vastly more livable and desirable. These traditional midwestern auto industry people have no clue what customer really want or else GM and Ford would have responded 50 years ago to both coasts who were screaming exactly why neither bought their cars. I grew up in the 50s and every kid could id a car model in the dark just by its headlights. But by the late 70s no knew what a Ford or GM sedan even looked like since they disappeared from the streets. I remember in the 90s seeing a big unfamilar car, never saw one before and walked over to the rear and it was an Impala Chevy. Being a car nut, it surprised me i had thought they had dropped that line decades before. On the west coast, there were no US sedans. The public and motor press had been screaming at the majors they were screwing up and building cars that no one wanted, except in the midwest. No auto company exec ever stood outside a deal showroom and asked people why they did not buy their cars. They had no clue but every potential buyer and motor press writer could have told them, but with great arrogance, they were confident they knew it all because they working in the same industry, town and building 50 years. The same sort of provincial arrogance and disdain for customers is shown by Lutz and the AutoLine staff. Well, it is too late for US industries, and European and Japanese. They had dominance but grew tired and set in their ways. China, Korea, Silicon Valley and maybe India will be the transportation centers going forward. China will determine the winners and losers since they have the biggest market, most manufacturers, and the largest middle class with savings to buy cars. Why do none of he weak attempts at BEV by ICE companies have no over the air updates? Simple, it is opposed to by their only customer, the dealers who buy they cars which they sell to their own customers. Dealers want the very profitable service income from NOT doing updates between model changes. That is going to kill any attempt to compete with tech-oriented companies. Tesla does not depend on initial sales for revenue, they have ongoing income from every sale...charging, feature activation sales, power walls, solar panels, insurance etc. Due to the rapid updates of the existing fleet, the long term value retention of used Tesla is tops in the industry which translates to lower cost of leases and ownership. A 4-year old S retains 80-87% of its sale price while 4-year-old Porsche Panamerica(the closest to Taycan) is 45-49% so which one is lost cost to drive per mile? Which one has lower lease payments? And despite the lower owner cost, which manufacturer had the largest total income flow over that 4 years? Porsche made $10k on building that car and selling it, one time. Tesla makes $6000 for simply turning on a feature that was already built into the car, FSD! plus insurance monthly payments, charger income every 2-3 days and running a gross margin of 31% on making the car in the first place. IF it was leased, at the end of the lease, Tesla takes title back and has a free car, paid for by the lease payments, that enters taxi service and generates $30-50,000 a year in only the cost of charging, and registration. At 200,000 gets new brake pads. Who is smarter, a Porsche or GM, or Tesla who stands to make $300-500k on each car in the first 10 years after building it? I might be that bright buy I think $10k profit from building a car is a bit less than $300,000 each on a wholely owned fleet of 1,000,000 cars is the better deal. Tesla is in a different business. GM and others make and sell cars. Tesla provides a unique Transportation ecosystem with all parts integrated and generating income, all at a lower cost of use to the customer. They are fully different animals.

[@stilllearning7434]

@@stanspb763 You opened my tiny coyote mind ! I'm going to miss driving so much. But, I might be able to be driven around in my autonomous Tesla well into my nineties. I'll move down town and feel I'm part of things while model 3 earns money for me driving other people around. AhWooo!

[@electricvehicle6640]

Here are talking four old Dinosaurier and have a good coffeetime (-;

[@elgringiototote]

The more and more I hear from Ol' Bob, the more I realize he sees Tesla through the lens of his limited scope. He says once a company like Porsche puts out a car like the Model S, "it becomes a different story". Well, Bob, the Taycan has a 93kwh battery to the top 100kwh of the model S. Top range on those two cars is 288 for the Porsche and 365 for the model S. Fastest 0-60 is 2.6sec for the Porsche vs 2.4sec for the Tesla. AND Tesla gets that superior performance and range to you for about HALF the cost of the Porsche. So tell me again how "over-hyped" Tesla is again Bob. PLEASE

[@D_2_M]

Love Bob's comment on the UAW strike 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@brandoYT]

Lutz marketing - little talk about better products - let us add "Corvette Models". Worry about oil wars. Lutz inspiring Tesla with contiual talk of how "unexceptional" Tesla is. So far no competition to 2012 Model S. US management still looks at employees as liabilities - not as assets. Too bad, so sad. UAW continues to shrink - that IS the plan - and it is working.

[@kurtg3891]

Was a shame he wouldn't even agree to discuss anything of the Chevy Bolt when they asked him ...and its always a difficult thing seeing older folks grasping at straws for their ideas of such any serious future relevance about their rapidly going bygone era... im sure is the reason for Bob Lutz obvious despise in the emergence of all the electric cars, that which he is now actually seeing just about to take over the industry...

[@HansFliesSolo]

Has Bob Lutz actually even seen a Model Y yet? Took him over a year of bad mouthing build quality before he actually looked at a Model 3 and then briefly retracted his statement.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

First of all, Lutz has no idea what he's talking about with Tesla. They have NO marketing and PR! Whatsoever! Their batteries have higher density than any others in the world and they have positioned themselves to be the leader in dry cell! There is massive pent-up demand for the model Y! No one else has equivalent TECH. *JUST SHUT UP.*

[@V0YAG3R]

khatun 777 And Islam is a religion of peace 👌🏻

[@bbalila]

How many time this old horse 🐎 has to be wrong.

[@jamesbell8861]

I've watched lots of interviews with Bob Lutz over the years. Next to The Donald, Lutzy Boy here is my second favorite Idiot.

[@stanleyluce901]

Lutz Is not right enough to listen to , it's all in the past and the past was not great

[@graycav56]

Mr Lutz is spot on with expanding the Corvette line. They could keep the 2 seater as the Stingray, the SUV as the Nomad and come up with additional names for the 4 door and the electric versions. The name Zora is still out there! PS: I always thought my Silverado LTZ was named in honor of Bob.

[@jamesbell8861]

I was actually wondering what a Luxury CORVETTE sport Sedan could look like as Bob was talking about this.

[@heinuchung8680]

Also need a corvette SUV that is where the money would be.

[@guse1219]

Man loves to snack. Maybe they should've provided Bob with a nice meal before the show started.

[@M_IkeLeBlanc]

Fantastic, FANTASTIC, show! Love Bob Lutz. Just needed Peter DeLorenzo.

[@JG-ef2cn]

He's the best. Old school. Down to earth & not politically correct. Love it! Need more REAL people like Bob, not the PC boot lickers of today.

[@ktrends]

Bob is exactly whats wrong with legacy american car brands right now.

[@b6s4shelter]

same energy content, per kwh.....wait what now bob? By the way a Cadillac Electric simply wouldn't compete against the Model S. super cruise lol, software...GM. not even close. Teslas sell not because they are electric. They sell because they are better cars and cheaper and easier to own.

[@bidlymovies987]

Hmm, knowing what roller tappets are does not make one a brilliant engineer.

[@dougrobinson8602]

He's not talking about engineers. He's talking about upper management dorks who have HBS degrees.

[@SuperC55AMG]

Lutz seems to know how to always stay relevant, no matter what era were in. Jeep indeed has become Americas LandRover just by adding two doors to the Wrangler.

[@darkduc2001]

Bob Lutz goes off on comical tear for 80 minutes. The stuff this fossil makes up. Funny guy...

[@jamieshields9521]

Ask Bob Lutz about Holden n how important is Holden is GM thanks

[@nick0126]

Lutz reminds me of the old guy that knows just about everything needed to know to program your VCR. When cars were outrageously complex, his skills and experience were a valuable resource, but EVs strength is simplifying the product. 80% of an ICE car is needed to handle noise, heat and pollution, not to move the car forward. It is becoming difficult to call an EV a "car", just too much tunnel vision.

[@tonyrodriguez4223]

Please do nor be confused, Bob brings years of experience in the automotive industry, GM and others, way, way before Tesla and EV. Thank you Bob for your clear understanding of the future of USA car manufacturing and labor Union. Today generation have no idea of the complex of the industry from design, cost analysis, prototype, testing, market analysis, tooling, manufacturing, marketing, distribution, sales etc etc etc. Thank you Bob for bing in a very short segment a brilliant explanation of a complex industry. Tony R

[@MossMini]

The more Bob talks about Tesla, the more he revile himself to be an idiot. How many predictions he has made that are completely wrong. Go ahead and look back.

[@V0YAG3R]

Moss Mini A never was, never will be dolt on the comment section of a KZbin video, talking about idiots. Tras de ladrón, bufón. Psychological projection, it's pathological in non functional sociopaths like you.

[@farukakatz3936]

I love Lutz, he is eating and drinking. He looks at what he is eating like its the last of it in the world.

[@motojc]

19:53 his hand is still seen in the frame dipping:)

[@JG-ef2cn]

Bob is the very Best. Old school & REAL & Not politically correct! Love it! Unlike the PC Bootlickers of today.

[@macioluko9484]

@1:00:35 -Rex here, Bob when you're done in there there is a gray Jeep in our back yard we're playing with... Also a green\yellow explorer we're tossing around... Lot's of fun. Hope you can make it.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

Bob Lutz is so full of himself as usual, a know it all. Always good for comic relief.

[@michaelsliwinski8044]

Lunch with Lutz!

[@tigerdust542]

LUTZ THINKS GM WILL LEAD WITH ANATOMY IN 24 MONTHS ??? ... HE'S BEEN LIVING IN A CAVE ... BUT I GUESS THAT'S WHAT CAVEMEN DO

[@Frost517]

Dinner with Bob Lutz would make an incredible show.

[@JG-ef2cn]

Food fight

[@scasteel]

There's just something about Bob. I can't help but like him. I think he's been consistently wrong. No mention that Tesla is way ahead in auto pilot and AI.

[@PeteSimpson]

Quote from someone who actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to battery technology. Quote "Lutz’s comments fail to account for the specific chemistries and energy density in Tesla’s battery cells, which continues to be improved by the electric car maker. This is one of the reasons why cars like the Model X Long Range can hit 328 miles of range per charge with a 100 kWh battery pack, while the Audi e-tron 55, a vehicle with a 95 kWh battery pack, can only go 204 miles. That’s a 124-mile difference in range from a 5 kWh difference in battery pack size."

[@JeffInDFW]

You guys upset about Bob eating are missing the fact that this is Autoline "After Hours". Its supposed to be more laid back etc. Bob isn't correct 100% of the time, but he is well over 90% for decades now. His comments on needing right brained execs, and the finance guys needing you to show graphs and charts to support your belief that something needs to be done is SO DEAD CORRECT.

[@earlpottinger671]

Jeff: If true then VIA MOTORS his EV company must be doing great. However, I never see any of his cars/trucks on the road. Teslas, Bolts, Leafs I see all the time, Via Motors never.

[@saliman4874]

well over 90% for decades now? I like when people pull percentage out of their arse and make it a fact.

[@martingardens]

Is Lutz still denying Climate Change?

[@JeffInDFW]

@@earlpottinger671 I agree with you on this point.

[@JeffInDFW]

@@saliman4874 No, I actually have transcribed everything Bob Lutz has ever said, and then fact check it. :sarcasm:

[@Northbaylandscaping]

7:02 Bob has a lot of tongue action going on these days.... Gene Simmons would be proud.

[@liamball8335]

NorthStead - North Bay Landscaping LTD he’s one of the secret world government’s shape shifting lizard people. 🦎 reptilian conspiracy from the Pleiades.

[@darkduc2001]

Or Richard Simmons....

[@curmudgeon1933]

5:25. A little unfortunate mentioning Boeing's engineering prowess, a few days before an Indonesian court finds against Boeing for the 737 Max crash. Mind you, it is Bob 'foot in mouth' Lutz, so no surprise there.

[@maestroadam]

Lutz has some good observations. Some others are questionable.

[@Lovejazz01]

Gm , Ford , Cadillac and other legacy automakers won’t lead anyone in “ Electrification” , ride sharing or autonomy, they will continue to do what they do best, make and make money off of F-150, Silverado, Suburban, Camaro,Corvette, Escalade,Expedition, Mustang , Ram, Challenger and Chargers , these are the only vehicle’s made in the USA that other automakers can’t do better, everything else they fail at, and right now they will never do better at electric vehicle than Tesla . They think what I’ve been thinking up until the past few years, that they can snap there fingers and make 10 new electric vehicles in a few years, but now they and I know better. They’ve had the chance to do what Tesla has done for years and spent billions on “ research and development “ but dont realize how to sell electric vehicles along side fossils (and the dealerships don’t want to) . Old Bob Lutz always said that Elon and Tesla didn’t know what they were up against and “it’s not easy being in the car business “, well now the legacy brands are finding out that it’s not easy being in the electric car business ...

[@huskypup3489]

His take on Tesla is colder than a Michigan winter. They do use the same battery chemistry as others, but their integrated approach to the motor, controller and pack design is way beyond anything else in the industry. No other auto maker can even meet the 2012 Model S miles/KWh efficiency.

[@zoltanjambor7723]

GM leader in EVs and autonomous driving? Let's hope he just pretends he's so clueless! And so are the rest of the guests. No one contradicted him.

[@thomosburn8740]

usually I like Lutz and find hits observations useful - not today though.

[@TColey100]

Telsa's Lithium Ion Batteries are no different than everyone else. SERIOUSLY????? So why are competitors struggling mightily with trying to beat Tesla's 2012 Model S? It's absolutely astounding how clueless Lutz is. I think Mr. Lutz isn't quite tethered to reality. #Clueless

[@shaunverspui9421]

Luts helped GM go broke.He helps prove his incompetence when he opens his mouth

[@mikaelsvartdahl]

That yellow-tinted 70s color grade really goes well with the Lutz 70s styled opinions 👍

[@jmos96]

I guess Bob Lutz now works for peanuts.

[@tennislite]

Great talk about the intangibles.

[@kdog18ful]

They should spin off GMC as its own premium brand. It would definitely work & give Chevy it’s potential for a true market space rebound & cash flow

[@theog_72fortyclub68]

We’ll milk it, I think he spilled the bean on his consulting.

[@fgeiger41]

I've liked the Vette even from the camouflage days. I absolutely don't hate the rear end. It's family and integrated nicely. Amazing they didn't talk about the board labor costs as the southerners addressed decades ago.

[@scottfranco1962]

"gm will be in a leadership position on EVs". GM has ONE viable car, the Bolt (which I own), that was behind Tesla on the day it was delivered. And they are going to be leading anytime soon?

[@GET2222]

Lutz was one of those who ignored TESLA. He also has terrible design sensibilities. The Model Y is now the best selling car in the world. I wonder what he thinks about the Cybertruck?

[@takatetkt]

Lol Bob Lutz.......simply refuse to accept the fact that he was and will always wrong about Tesla........

[@kyocerakitten1162]

Just to remind: this is the guy who took GM to bankruptcy in 2008... He is completely lost in technology and or economics of car manufacturing IMO.

[@JG-ef2cn]

That wasn't because of Lutz. Alot of companies went bankruptcy in 2008. Ask the Bernie Madoff type people they might have a different opinion