CinemaSins is (Still) Terrible

[@jamesslastname]

What's the song at the end? 26:42

[@bobvids]

Dr. Delight - Picking up the Pieces open.spotify.com/track/3yL5StObkI72aRTYjh66Ro

[@marcelbey-el1947]

@@bobvids cinemasins is great, i luv their channel!🙂👍....also i hit the dislike button on this video🙃👎

[@Robert-tl2vg]

@@marcelbey-el1947 it’s hard to know if your comment is serious as it looks like it was written by a 6 year old.

[@skyjack1]

@@marcelbey-el1947 I applaud you for being part of one of the nastiest ratios I’ve ever seen… And I especially like that you’re the one getting ratio’d.

[@eternalmood1846]

@@marcelbey-el1947 _Frolic, the theme for Curb Your Enthusiasm, begins to play_

[@laurabartlett8033]

cinemasins when they wake up in the morning and realize they've committed the waking up cliche

[@mtlewis973]

ex machina

[@monsterdenmaps]

@@mtlewis973going back to sleep ex-machina

[@duffal0]

The guy that made this video is the definition of the dude who gets mad at everything for no reason lol. I don’t even watch cinemasins anymore, but I think they’re obviously not a “serious” channel. And he criticized them for including an ad of a wine brand with bad reviews and said they’re “scamming”. He almost seems like he’s becoming the exact thing he was criticizing.

[@jjbarajas5341]

​@@duffal0Any KZbinr that shills products or companies of questionable quality rightly deserves criticism. Anyway, he was pointing out the hypocrisy of putting a long 60+ second ad in front of the video and then getting mad when a movie puts in the logos for the people that worked on it at the start of the movie. The pot calling the kettle black. But who cares, CinemaSins content isn't worth splitting hairs over.

[@mtlewis973]

@@duffal0 you seem like you didn’t watch the video at all

[@cawmusic]

this perfectly replicates the experience of watching a movie with your "edgy" friend who's too afraid to emotionally engage with anything

[@rentrie__]

LITERALLY shit hurts my feelings

[@kazmark_gl8652]

Damn I remember being "that guy" at the movies when I was younger and into Cinima Sins. From my experience, most people like that want to feel smart.

[@E.S.R.OG_ecoli]

Majority of the movies that come out today suck alright I'm not an old I'm 20 I'm in my 20s alright I can positively say that not one movie besides maybe 2 that have come out in the last 5 years I have want to go see okay personal opinion bias criticism whatever OKI agree with you here you go based on the statistical evidence-based on how many people show app to movies you can say Avatar blah blah movie majority of people that's seen Avatar have seen Avatar seen it at home alright majority of people that want to them that's why the Avatar was this big flop and it is a huge flop because it's a s***** movie alright the first 1 wasn't that great it was just good graphics it was a terrible f****** plot you can look up numerous videos That are now coming out because everybody isn't defending in anymore people are coming out with their honest opinion of the series and it's a s*** f****** series and there you go you're gonna talk about how my opinion is bubble bubble bubbles that's not my opinion that's what the empirical statistical evidence has shown us all right I'm gonna pull off that little woke a** little bit's Hassan's own words and I'm sure that's gonna make you all mad just by the comments there's a lot of hassan fans Fans here but right now is a great time for you to go out to the movie theater and watch a f****** movie and write a summary about it and get back to me because I want you to sit there and watch any just name and pick me not new not in big new remake or whatever I'm talking about original idea that came out from a new filmmaker that supposed to be the next big whatever b******* whatever went look at here you go here's a great example nope the movie nope terrible movie made no f****** sense I every single person I have talked to that has seen that in every person every person black white Brown purple green with f****** red polka dots alright does not matter everybody can agree stupid f****** movie made no sense they tried to play on Your Heart strings The Only people that like it are literally stupid people I Mean they're Really Like You look at all the people Talk about nope was a good movie they're ignorant they Don't they Don't they can't do s*** they Don't have the mental capability of being an actually functioning Human being they're you're practically retarded and I hate to say like oh well you're calling all those f****** people from Whatever low neighborhoods and Whatever whatever WHY would You assume that WHY would You assume Only people that were Black or from the hood would have to Go watch movie like no because it's been literally pushed to that demographic because they literally Subjugated a whole group of people to try to get them to go waste their money on a s*** a** movie yeah that's what they do that's what Jordan does😅

[@cawmusic]

@@chonchjohnch that's a good point that i didn't consider. thanks for sharing that

[@holycowitsdave]

I like to notice all the nitpicky things. I like being able to watch a TV show or movie and identify "these two things were shot on different days" or "there's the boom mic" etc. I like being able to identify plot holes, or predict where something is going based wholly on trope knowledge. There's a sort of nerdy glee to it. These things aren't reasons not to watch a movie or think a movie is bad, though. If you're not also thinking about the message the movie is trying to get across, how well it uses its themes, is the cinematography helping or hindering, you're missing the point of criticism entirely. And if you can't watch a dumb movie and enjoy it on its own terms, you shouldn't be trying to critique it in the first place. Sometimes, a movie only needs to be fun, and that's okay! More than okay, even. More of that, please! Movies have been catering to guys like CinemanSins for the last decade or so and in doing so have largely forgotten that you can make movies that are just meant to be fun.

[@nola1439]

If people say that you criticizing CinemaSins = jealousy for a bigger channel, then by the same logic, CinemaSins is deeply jealous of all movie producers.

[@Cinemabu11]

Exactly, CS fanboys or defenders fail to apply their logic to CinemaSins

[@Jo_youwhatmate]

I mean not to lend credence to the former but given Jeremy's unironic and outright hatred for the film industry, it sounds like he is big angy he never got a shot in Hollywood, given he believes he can do better

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

@@Jo_youwhatmate He can't lol he sux.

[@CLTurtle]

In the same way, you could also argue that people criticizing bobvids are also jealous due to bobvidz (usually) having the bigger channel

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

Responding to criticism by saying, “The haters are just jealous,” has long been one of the strongest defenses against introspection and self-improvement. It’s right up there with saying “Don’t judge me” when given advice or criticism without any actual judgment.

[@ackepace]

The fact that people didn't realize the person in the car was Jeremy is one of the funniest things I've ever heard

[@darthmeticulous6901]

Funnier than any “joke” Cinemasins has in their videos.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Profound brainrot

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

​@@darthmeticulous6901not at all though

[@nucleardamage1]

​@@darthmeticulous6901you need professional therapy.

[@blueviper64]

Most intelligent CinemaSins fans

[@Poisontoon]

I used to think cinema sins was supposed to be satirical, but the fact that they can't take criticism themselves makes me think otherwise

[@ashendude3394]

I also used to assume they're obviously satirical, and would probably jump to their defense when challenged about it. But it didn't take me long to realize their "satire" is pretty inconsistent and only apply under arbitrary conditions.

[@MiorAkif]

@@ashendude3394 Schrodinger's critic. "If you disagree with me, I'm just playing an nitpicky caricature so it's your fault for taking me seriously. If you agree, then I have a point."

[@Celeste__ch.]

@@mokarokas-1727 I would also like to hear why y'all think they can't take criticism, I've stopped enjoying their content for a while, just got boring, but I don't think the point is that they're bad and if it is then that seems to be a bad point

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@Celeste__ch. - No, that's literally their point; they say CinemaSins are toxic hecklers actively harming the community. lol, it's so delusional.

[@faz10do]

Except they do criticize themselves

[@Vincent.E.M.Thorn.Author]

I used to follow CinemaSins because in the very beginning, it was mostly poking at fun little production mistakes or goofs ("The makeup director forgot to draw the Harry Potter scar on the baby", or "This newspaper article is actually about baking soda shortages", that sort of thing), but over time, it became more about tearing movies apart, reaching harder and harder for things to criticise, until they were blatantly ignoring context to demand the context they ignored.

[@nilayzaveri468]

Exactly, it began to feel very mean spirited after a point

[@JeY_k]

Thank you for putting it into words, I remember this too. Eventually the videos weren't very funny and then I found myself subconsciously nitpicking in the style and I hated how it took some enjoyment out of my ability to watch movies. Over time I've recovered but damn it sucked.

[@adrianalobo6780]

@@JeY_kI recommend watching cinema wins. They actually make good and lighthearted jokes.

[@lbexlbn]

Cinemasins is satirical

[@TheRealTakaoAoki]

​@BenjaminDover-qm8bv I'm guessing the joke of deleting videos that were criticized somehow flew over our heads?

[@ATLZombie]

When my sister first introduced me to CinemaSins like 15 years ago. I remember they would just critique little production mistakes. Cameraman in the mirror. Extra doing something silly. It was fun stuff I just missed. After a while all it was them making jokes or not understanding the direction of the movie. It became tedious and maybe I outgrew their brand of humor.

[@safala]

I was never a big fan of CinemaSins but I used to enjoy their earlier videos where they pointed out minor mistakes in the films. I loved to know about these parts of movies I missed. Then I didn't watch them for a few years and recently decided to watch a video from them because I've started to love film reviews and analysis. I watched a video from them on a film I neither liked nor disliked (forgot the film though) and was disappointed to see them making jokes more focused on laughing at the plot choices of the film (some of which did make perfect sense in context). Couldn't even finish that video and haven't watched any more from them since.

[@tuzamodi]

I enjoyed a few videos but I noticed they pick out every single thing, stuff that wasn’t even worth mentioning. It’s just so boring and stupid

[@SymphonyZach]

They used to be good. Showing genuine silly things and mistakes. But if just got bitter

[@orangewaters1559]

10000% agree

[@rahbeeuh]

Wasn't CS created in 2012?

[@Icriticrandomthings]

CinemaSins is the "Why don't they just use the eagles to fly to Mordor?" of KZbin channels.

[@jeffsorrows]

I use to enjoy cinema sins me and my baby brother would watch their old 5 minute long videos, and when they did that they would use the suns location and shadows for their sins. It was so specific, it was so real, that it made sense, it was so well thought out and I watched and then got more and more jokey. I still enjoyed it and sometimes still do but you could see the change over time.. haven't enjoyed them like I use to. I remember watching their video of The Meg, and saw in the movie the submarine had oxygen levels that would match a regular room with the window open, while in a sub the actual level would be insanely lower. I lost respecf for them a while back just didnt realize an old ass video would call them out fhis bad, but i feel it and hope their future writers see this viddo. I knew that the old cinema sins would of checked those readings that it would of been so in depth and that it would be so trivial for the casual viewer. I miss the old CS. I just wish we could go back, kinda like when cinema sins sins was good too. Before they were pretty good after getting their bearings, they having to go off of CS they lost their way also. I suppose we will never get back to the good ol days but damn everyone use to be so good but once you have to keep a certain amount of revenue coming in you lose your quality...

[@SasquaDash]

I think this quote from Ratatouille sums it up perfectly: "In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so."

[@lelo170]

Good ol' Anton Ego

[@SasquaDash]

@@lelo170 An amazing quote from an amazing movie.

[@nexusshark]

Love that quote.

[@SasquaDash]

@@nexusshark Same.

[@Tulip_bip]

Ratatouille is such a brilliant film

[@dobstan9448]

most uncomfortable “joke” from them for me was when they kept saying “hermonie isn’t old enough to be hot yet” every time they started talking abt a harry potter movie where hermonie was still a child. and then they said something abt how “she’s still not old enough to be hot yet but she’s getting there” like dude what

[@songyuanfen]

thats so gross wtf

[@LandelRey]

And even in the last movie, cannonically she's still supposed to be 17. by all accounts the character is still a teenager 💀💀

[@TheSameYellowToy]

I think (I hope) it was making fun of all the nasty creeps years ago who literally made countdown calendars/clocks to when Emma Watson would turn 18. But if you didn't know that was a thing and that those creeps (hopefully) are the punchline, then the joke comes off even creepier.

[@always_on_ten]

@@LandelRey film age irrelevant only real age matters we all know she's not 17

[@revedraws4186]

@@always_on_ten well in the film she's is acting like a teenager, so you can simp for emma watson all you want, but simping for a character that behave like a teenager is weird man

[@samuelsoliday4381]

The fact that the so called "fans" of cinemasins didn't realize you were showing a clip of the narrator absolutely astounds me.

[@ALongAndLowTide]

Ayyo you should watch your ankles when you hop off that bandwagon about 12 minutes

[@franki1990]

​@@ALongAndLowTide abyssmal cognitive level reached. Congrats.

[@DerMeisterEdits]

​@@ALongAndLowTideWanna find the sins in my snuff film starring your mom?

[@BthIX]

If cinemasins fans were smart, they wouldn't be cinemasins fans

[@kit4616]

@@ALongAndLowTideBro Cinemasins is not gonna give you a $20 bill for licking their boots. Just find better content to enjoy and then maybe you won’t feel personally attacked when it’s called out for being bad.

[@Ninjaleprachaun1]

I'll never forget when I was a cinemasins fan and I just saw Spiderman Homecoming with my family, and as we were leaving, I dropping some epic Cinamasins esque "Criticism" about the movie. Seeing the look in my family's eyes, how they were just annoyed about what I was doing, and when my mom asked "Did you even like the movie?" I realized I did like the movie, and all my epic "Jokes/Criticisms" were preventing me from liking the movie as much as I could've. I felt so bad, and realized how many movies I saw that I could've liked, but being a Cinemasins fan, I was just looking for nitpicks and stuff that didn't matter rather than actually watching and engaging with the film

[@apollosperineum]

while i didn’t experience those exact scenarios, i relate heavily ! my dad is the kind of dude who watches any film under the sun because he hasn’t seen it yet, or because ‘you never know’. he’s seen so many objectively bad movies and cartoons but his analysis is always the same of ‘it was alright’ because in his mind the entertainment is more valuable than the quality of the film and oftentimes his standards don’t exclude most of your standard well-criticized film mishaps. he is the extreme opposite end of the spectrum to cinema sins, and a younger me, who delighted in finding things i could nitpick because i was painfully trying to exert some intelligence. the truth is you enjoy things marginally more when you just shut off your nasty brain and take in the possible on-screen chaos in stride. (maybe not the case for *really* good films you really want to dig into.) i rewatch the same films and shows dozens of times so maybe i was just more opposed to opening up my preferences not a cinemasins fan, fortunately. just wanted to add my experience.

[@jsb7546]

That's the whole point of cinemasins. They say as much in their first "everything wrong with cinemasins" video. They arn't movie critics, their just jerks with time on their hands nitpicking movies. If you want real movie reviews they arn't the channel to watch for that. If you want maybe a few laughs at best and to hear a guy drone on about nitpicks in a movie than ya they are the channel to watch. The guy has valid criticisms of CS but even he knows that CS understands that, they keep on doing what they do becuase of audience engagement and money. Which I mean I can't blame em, they have an audience and they make money giving that audience what they want, and that audience doesn't want real movie reviews when they watch CS they want nitpicks.

[@Ilzum_Gopke]

Same here They critizing some of my favourite movie and it really triggered me when they just yapping about mundane stuff It really ruining my experience

[@billie-ve_in_yourself6464]

I had a similar regret. Talking and enjoying movies can be a nice bonding moment between you and your parents. Critiquing a movie can be fun, but only critiquing it can feel like your putting them down for their taste. That’s on me for being a dumb teenager still learning social boundaries and not Cinemasins. It’s more fun to build up another persons interest than breaking a movie down

[@SamtheShrooman]

Cmon man it’s not that deep 😂

[@devvy-8279]

I think the biggest problem I have is that by misrepresenting, lying, mocking, and nitpicking these shows they wind up convincing a lot of people to miss out on something they may have otherwise really enjoyed.

[@bi_cycle]

I spent years like this! I stayed away from things because these kinds of channels said it was bad. Then I watched birds of prey and realised that a film didn't have to be completely without sin to be enjoyed.

[@MiloKuroshiro]

Not just that. They make a lot of people to only watch movies under that anti intelectual and literal lens.

[@bananaman3743]

Ohhhh nooo, a lot of people won't watch a movie that they might've enjoyed. Fuck me, we better get on this

[@MersuneLiku]

@@BlondeEmu Children usually can't discern that difference. When I used to watch the channel when I was younger I genuinely thought they were being serious. Back then a friend of mine even refused to watch Big Hero Six cause of their video on it. Now as an adult I can tell they're utilizing their style of comedy but just because you could tell that difference doesn't mean others can't.

[@RictusHolloweye]

@@BlondeEmu - Some people watch film critics before spending their money on a ticket and their evening on a movie. You're right, in that cinema sins should not be used as a way to judge movies... but it will still affect their decision whether or not to make that investment of time and money. That's why I don't watch their videos until after I've seen the movie (actually I nowadays just watch Birdman ripping into CS videos... but I still wait until after I've seen the movie).

[@johnevans7633]

"This movie has no character arcs" "The worst tragedy I have ever faced was back on the streets of--" "SKIP!"

[@thebussypresident7085]

There can’t be character arcs if they skip all of them

[@crazziemonkke]

that back to back makes be think it’s bait, but still.

[@bugjams]

or, alternatively... "This movie has no character arcs" "The worst tragedy I have ever faced was-" "Wow, generic tragic backstory! NEXT!"

[@theencolony5595]

@@crazziemonkke there was over 40 sins between the two. if it's intended to be bait then they've failed so spectacularly that it's gone full circle and have gone back to bad writing

[@ARCtheCartoonMaster]

@@bugjams I remember when he did _Order of the Phoenix_ and was like, “Oh, boo hoo, these characters and their tragic backstories!”

[@markkoehr5003]

CinemaSins defenders not knowing that was Jeremy in the car shots is just way too perfect.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Especially how they shit on who they think is Bob for vlogging in the car or being a loser. The sad bit is they'd change their minds if they knew who it was

[@Unotuchable]

They're unable to recognise his voice. That's the astounding thing, not knowing what someone you're a fan of looks like is one thing but not recognising the voice-over man by his voice is another all together.

[@royalcass]

@@SuperNuclearUnicorn especially when in the original video i do believe Bob said it was Jeremy but i guess if there's no subtitles and a little DING every 3 minutes cinemasins fans get confused

[@MrAwsomeness360]

I'll give CinemaSins fans credit -- they're consistently stupid as Jeremy Scott, so it's pretty on-point how they can "pay attention" to his crappy videos yet can't do the same when watching a video about the guy showing his ugly face.

[@Viscidsquare040]

@@royalcass yeah, when Bob showed the clip again at the end of the video he made it apparent by writing on the screen that it was a clip of Jeremy and how it’s ironic that most of Jeremy’s points there could be applied to his own work. I find it very funny that the last comment shown in this video as an example of CS fans not understanding that says in their third edit that they stopped paying attention to the video to write an edit and then missed the text saying it was Jeremy in the car.

[@Spukhau5]

Fun fact: just checked their channel and the video from a day ago (Everything Wrong With Garfield: The Movie) has an ad for BetterHelp… possibly the worst sponsor on KZbin, they’re still scamming their audience.

[@Wonthegulag]

I’ve never used better help or known anyone that does but is it actually true that it sucks?

[@Spukhau5]

There’s a ton a videos about it and while I personally haven’t looked too deep it’s still really shady and just downright evil. One of the bigger things is that they advertise that they use actual therapists (you can guess where this is going) but in all actuality they really don’t. This is bad for obviously reasons but it’s gets worse when you realize some of those “therapists” are only on the site MEANT FOR THERAPY to troll.

[@theoneandonlykawaiigoddess4821]

Ok at the point y’all are just hating to hate cuz a TON of KZbinrs was sponsored by betterhelp, markiplier, Rosa panino, jacksepticeye, MATPATT. Are we gonna call the major of KZbinrs scammers because the company was bs?

[@Spukhau5]

Some yes, others no. It’s all about 1. How much they promote it, and 2. How good of a person we (the audience) perceive them as. While I don’t watch many jacksepticeye videos I can say that I think he’s a nice and good person that wouldn’t know about the scam. Cinema sins do not seem like nice or good people (their whole channel is about promoting hate on something) so in my opinion they are more of a scammer than the names mentioned on your list.

[@Winnie8952]

⁠@@theoneandonlykawaiigoddess4821when betterhelp was just taking off I remember everyone advertised it. But then a lot of KZbinrs went back on their word and admitted regretting it. The only person I know still advertising them is thewizardliz, I’m pretty sure Mark or Jack don’t do it anymore (it’s not like they need to either)

[@atreides213]

The thing is, the initial premise of CinemaSins is actually pretty cool. Pointing out mostly technical or scripting errors with the occasional joke thrown in could be a good-natured way of poking fun at how difficult film production is. It’s when Jeremy starts getting into the story and characters that things get irritating.

[@darththeo]

Well, some character sins aren't bad, but he got into pointing out flaws with characters like characterization and growth. Like Jeremy wants a movie to have character that don't change or grow at all AND have no defining traits. I have no idea what kind of character that would be, outside one I have no interest in.

[@ethanjobson3879]

The biggest problem is just lack of integrity. The fact that not only can you not distinguish all the legitimate criticisms from jokes, but you can’t distinguish legit problems they point out from the lack of attention they pay just ruins it.

[@matthiasthulman4058]

Well all that and now they've gotten to the point of making sins out of things that aren't even wrong, like what they perceived as a continuity error but it's just Jeremy being dumb and not noticing. Or whatever pedantic nonsense he points out now. "Dogs wouldn't wear a collar like that!" *Ding*

[@Xegethra]

I know it's not KZbin but sometimes there would be shows that point out these things in films, but they keep it like 4 or 5 things per film and move onto the next. Just for fun like seeing a car in the background of a film set in ancient Egypt or something. Never really go into the all the story stuff, mostly visual. If CinemaSins kept it to that, maybe a video covering one film would be really short. So do it like TV. Half an hour to an hour of a load of films just pointing out mistakes. Instead of just being a series of jokes...yeah you can put jokes in to laugh at the mistake....but framing everything as a joke and a mistake...eh. You could just make a different series for that. It seems he wants to be different from review channels, but that's what he comes off as, a review channel disguised as pointing out mistakes and continuity errors, things that weren't meant to make it in the film.

[@SomniRespiratoryFlux]

I think this video points out my main issue with CS-style "criticism" pretty well, but to add my two cents... Cinema Sins has contributed to, if not ouright created, this culture of perfectionism with regards to media. If you like something, it mist be defended from any and all criticism. If you dislike it, it can't have any redeeming qualities and must be relentlessly trashed (and anybody who likes it regardless must be wrong, possibly not just factually but morally). But they specifically make a point of criticizing _all_ movies, and their tagline is that "no movie is without sin", right? The second part of that culture, sure, but how does CS contribute to an inability to criticize things you enjoy? That's where the inconsistency and "it's just a joke" aspects come in. If you like a movie, they're just nitpicking or making jokes, and the video doesn't really mean anything. It's a joke, not criticism. But if you dislike a movie, their jokes and nitpicks become meaningful, and expose the problems with the movie, regardless of whether the quality of the criticism is any different. I know it's kind of frowned on to bring up politics, especially non-centrist views, out of nowhere, but there's a channel I enjoy called Innuendo Studios that makes a good amount of leftist political commentary. And in the video "The Card Says 'Moops'", he describes a particular sort of internet user that, while not exclusive to the alt-right, thrives there: "Schroedinger's Douchebag", a person whose words are so thoroughly irony-poisoned that not even they (or rather, usually he) can tell when a take is sincere and when it's just an irreverent joke. I bring this up, not for any political reason, but to posit that Cinema Sins and their fans are Schroedinger's Douchebag as media critics. There's no sincerity - if someone says a movie is bad, here's why it's bad, but if they say it's good, it's "come on, can't you take a joke" or worse, the implication that you're just upset because you can't bear to see something you like criticized. But it's not that I think anything is perfect, and honestly, framing the "think critically about everything" in such a zero-context, near-purely negative Gish Gallop full of terrible arguments that misunderstand media criticism on a fundamental level, with no "here's how it could be improved on", just an endless parade of bullet points... It makes it harder to genuinely criticize things, whether you end up deciding that the thing is good or bad overall. Or whether or not a bad thing is still enjoyable in some way despite the issues. I've seen people be like "I know Cinema Sins is trash, but their videos on genuinely bad movies are still funny", and... I get it, but I still hesitate to even give them that much credit, because even on "bad" movies their videos still often have really bad arguments for those movies being bad or unenjoyable. In the end, in order for a criticism to really feel sincere, you have to engage with what you're criticizing on a level playing field, taking the good and the bad, addressing it all within its own context, and suggesting ways it could have been improved if there are major problems. Criticism is not just about sorting media or fans thereof into boxes of "good" or "bad", and while it's good to be reminded that even the best media has flaws, Cinema Sins is abjectly terrible at doing this for the right reasons or in the right ways. The end result is a product that makes people worse at media criticism, while stroking their egos to make them think it's making them better at it. If Jeremy really wants to make Hollywood movies better he'd offer suggestions of what could be genuinely improved. But either he has no suggestions, or finds his position of "making bank off of smug superiority" too lucrative to actually want movies to be better. And that ignores that not only have there always been bad movies, there are still good ones and bad-but-enjoyable ones. Cynicism and irony-poisoning in media criticism genuinely help nobody.

[@percyorsomething2641]

I think that the most ironic thing about CinemaSins is how often they harp on exposition dumps but then still CONSTANTLY beg for exposition and explanation for things that couldn't matter less.

[@SirAsdf]

His Harry Potter videos are full of shit like that. He spends all of the videos complaining about how the magic system doesn't make sense and "why don't the characters just do X, Y, and Z" when the answers to all of his questions are in the fucking books. And the asshole has the GALL to put a "The Books Don't Matter" banner over a franchise of movies that were LITERALLY MADE FOR FANS OF THE BOOKS!

[@Eggy79]

Yeah i can't watch it anymore because of how dumb AF Jeremy is with understanding plot points and pretending things aren't explained well

[@NinjaBanana1]

I'm confused.... Has the bloke who runs CinemaSins outright confessed that what he says is totally serious? Because of he hasn't and this is everyone over analysing his content, you people gotta lighten up. Do people actually believe that what he is doing is completely serious???

[@Eggy79]

@@NinjaBanana1 "iTs aLl JoKeS" God, do you cinemasins fans have any other defense. You obviously didn't even watch the whole video too since your comment has little to do with his criticism of cinemasins here.

[@oldmanhenderson1112]

.@@NinjaBanana1 CinemaWins is run by a totally different guy. They have no relation besides the name.

[@ghostreveries]

cinema sins is like the guy who shows up to a party uninvited then says that the party sucks

[@fawkesthedreg]

underrated comment

[@Endru85x]

And, given time he will elaborate how music sucks, people are weirdos, and he does not like the food.

[@kwayneboy1524]

And then complains how no one understands him and that it's their fault.

[@khonsu9378]

Thats... actually accurate.

[@officialnuke_killabeats.2007]

Or the guy who like's to be sarcastic about everything, even though he doesn't realize he has social and financial problems in his life. Oh that and being single.

[@SirDogeTheDog]

“Hermione is not old enough to be hot yet” - CinemaSins

[@TheQuakDealer]

Very gross.

[@themustardman219]

I feel like that's a kind of logical statement, I don't really see how that's as bad as most of their issues

[@alekanzus]

@@themustardman219 Why would you point something like that in the first place? Who needs to hear that?

[@enthusiasticallydry]

like those women who are like ‘he’s going to be a little heartbreaker’ or ‘save him for me’

[@HoneyM1lkart]

💀

[@theodenmannix4362]

Honestly CS is what initially discouraged me from pursuing writing as a hobby. It wasn't just them, tho, back then the internet was full of "critics" more than essayists. I love that today things are more balanced. On the long run I love watching people breaking down what's good or talented or well thought about movies while also addressing the flaws and how they could be improved or just ignored if it's not a big deal, it's super motivating and makes you less afraid of criticism.

[@Kirferyan]

Same. Thanks to the internet’s overtly nitpicky and negative environment, a younger me used to think he had to make his story the best one ever told, instead of just letting it be. I could not express in any amount of words how much the change towards positive and constructive deconstruction has helped me change that.

[@shockdartbique8991]

@@Kirferyan for sure. as an artist, deviantart in 2013 at the height of solarsands gave me legitimate trauma

[@safala]

Yes, yes, yes! I love how present criticisms of media has been. People bringing back old movies/ books to talk about stuff they liked or enjoyed or even new movies/ books that they like. Talking about how things could've been improved and aspects that were done well.

[@spaghetti5914]

@@shockdartbique8991 Or in 2017 where cringe culture peaked. The internet was such a negative space, even down to simple things such as jokes people would start bullying others because a meme that appeared 2 days ago is apparently already "dead". Or with the whole "cringe animation memes' "cringe *insert character* fangirls" that was quite literally grown ass people bullying children for going through their phases and learning art Things are still toxic, but I am so glad with youtubers such as cinemawins and other positive channels existing because they point out the good stuff too

[@richardhobbs7360]

I love reading these comments thinking that a channel who thinks a that "not getting a lap dance in this scene" is sin worthy, is a critiquing channel, they very clearly aren't. It's a comedy channel, nothing more, nothing less, if you want all videos on movies to be a proper critique, then you should go live in a cave

[@AlmightyDoge665]

The problem with the “find this about a movie to laugh, poke fun, or mock” genre is it starts off fun but eventually viewers want you to make fun of just about everything. Even if the movie is a polished piece of art. I got tired of it. Or maybe too old for it. It’s why I stopped watching Cinema Sins and even stopped watching Honest Trailers from ScreenJunkies.

[@BasketChase98]

The rule of three holds pretty true in comedy. Every gag or punchline is funniest the third time, and after that it stops being funny. They have retold the same "joke" 700 times for the better part of a decade and don't understand why people are still walking out in the middle of their set.

[@camillagilmore1547]

I would say *especially* if the movie is a polished piece of art. I mean, just look at their Citizen Cain video. If your aim is to prove yourself intellectually superior to everyone then those who are most clearly your superiors are the ones you need to attack the most. CinemaSins is an inferiority complex made manifest as a youtube channel.

[@sharan9993]

@middle aged man in extreme debt First of all I was thinking the exact same thing. I love pitch meeting. I think here are few major differences. 1) Ryan makes a lot of fun outside the movie thus not depending entirely on the poking fun part for entertainment. It is often subtle but u can observe it and enjoy on rewatches or if u pay attention. 2) He usually poiints out plot holes and major plot contrivances rather than just nit picking the entire movie. 3) He usually does not undermine the great art either by not making a video on such movies or by acknowledging how good they are in the video itself. For ex try movies like matrix or john wick To better understand the differences i suggest watch both videos of the same movie from ryan and cs and honest trailers.

[@magmatard8737]

I’ve seen Microwave society do well. Like they just watched Mega Mind and they kept bringing up that it’s a good movie. They didn’t want to make fun of it because at its core it’s a good movie

[@existentialistremnant6231]

@middle aged man in extreme debt Idk, Ryan is just charismatic. Its hard to hate the guy, plus the Pitch Meetings are a more inventive format than CS imo.

[@chitoryu12]

Hardcore CinemaSins fans being so bad at watching things that they don't even recognize the creator in a video seems pretty on point.

[@mill_ania]

They didn't got their alarm bell pavlovian trigger so they didn't pay attention.

[@griffinoleary1694]

it's strange, Jeremy does these videos called "movie recipes" on the same channel, where he shows his face and talks, I guess it's not normal now for a viewer to search out for videos that isn't the regular content.

[@ella-pj8bl]

@@mill_ania lol

[@CoolJoshido212]

lmao fr

[@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777]

I just enjoy the content and think it’s funny •_•

[@StingingNettle47]

I used to really enjoy watching CinemaSins until I saw some of their videos on movies I'd actually seen, at which point I had a "Wait... huh?" moment, where I started to realize how severely they would intentionally misinterpret the source material for a cheap laugh. It's sad.

[@googsnoog]

yea, I did the same thing

[@bendykirby4828]

If I’m being honest, they’d be a whole lot funnier if they just stuck with the “snob satire” approach without throwing any actual criticism in there as well. Having both in the same format makes it _really_ hard to tell the two apart. CinemaWins also does this, but his phrasing and delivery makes it clear which is just half-hearted “positive vibes” (like “hugging” or “x is always a win”) and which is the real good stuff.

[@IMMAOILMAN]

True, though even if CS stuck with the pretentious amateur film critic caricature, they'd still be terrible at it. They'd really have to ham up the snobby aspects of their own scripts by coming off as, well, pseudointellectual. One potential avenue: deliberately misusing film theory in such an outlandish way that it's clear they're putting on an act. Maybe, say, creating a video called "Sound Direction In Movies Has Lost Its Way" where they launch into a diatribe about how when Jules takes a bite of the Big Kahuna Burger in Pulp Fiction, the diegetic sound of his chewing is a failure because it doesn't accurately convey how tasty the burger is (completely missing the point of both diegetic sound and the scene's purpose). Or devoting an entire video to how Tarantino can't be called an auteur because Reservoir Dogs doesn't contain a shot of a woman's feet (gross misunderstanding of auteur theory while calling attention to a quirky aspect of Tarantino's films that even he jokes about). Instead, CS comes off as the drunk, dimwitted uncle at a family gathering who can't help but wonder aloud why Awkwafina named herself after a water bottle while you're trying to enjoy Shang-Chi. And as far as I'm concerned, that's exactly what they are.

[@nosferatu3726]

CinemaWins is honestly just a better review channel.

[@bendykirby4828]

@@nosferatu3726 Word

[@rubub8455]

@@nosferatu3726 based

[@dannypavlov913]

I wouldn't necessarily say it would be funny.

[@scottthomas8475]

I just hate how literal they take everything, as if symbolism doesn’t exist

[@carlmassa3784]

That’s the point of their comedy. They are purposely talking everything literally to make it funny. They don’t care about symbols.

[@fakename287]

@@carlmassa3784 that's trash comedy

[@majaquinn]

@@fakename287 every comedy is trash at this point. Some people like it, others hate it. Take your pick 🤷🏼

[@HamazuraGOD]

@@majaquinn Yeah but there's "I think this comedy is trash" (opinion), and then "this comedy _is_ trash" (fact). CS being trash is the fact one

[@carlmassa3784]

@@fakename287 in your opinion it is. That’s why this video isn’t right about CS being bad. It just thinks that it is right. Because it is entitled to its own opinion. Just like me.

[@TheZatzman]

It's funny when a channel like CinemaSins, who make their living off of -critiquing- nitpicking other peoples works, can't handle the same level of scrutiny when it's applied to their own content.

[@kylemorello4787]

And it's even funnier when the response to said criticism is "you're taking this too literally." Dude. That's literally all you do!

[@bluegal5134]

Its even funnier when a channel like this makes a "movie" themselves and gets badly criticized and mocked. And they get super pissed off at the negative attention lol.

[@LiveActionKimPossibleRufus]

To be fair it's a deeper level of scrutiny, because he's actually paying attention to thier content before critiquing

[@thatonelegend817]

So ur saying a guy who makes fun of giant behemoth budget films for doing cliches doesnt like it when they are personally attacked and ridiculed in a non comedic format. Its like making a movie critic reviewing the new jackass movie… just being pretentious and dissing all the slapstick comedy just is akward like honestly he spends a whole minute talking about the timer like honestly none of it matters the sin counter doesn’t matter the ones taken off and put on dont matter none of it matters and this dude is reviewing it like a college thesis

[@jordinagel1184]

@@bluegal5134 they made a movie? Good god, I can’t begin to imagine how that went…

[@naki051]

When I'm in a reading comprehension and low critical thinking skills competition and my opponents are CS stans and defenders

[@pop-punkreptile5827]

LMAO

[@Dsmky117]

“We deliberately make mistakes in our scripts” is the most cowardly thing I’ve ever heard. Also, I know cinemasins sucks because I’ve seen a cinemasins video.

[@dizzydial8081]

It reminds me how they talk about satire. I don't think they understand what Satire is.

[@davidegaruti2582]

imagine a comedian purposfully make a mistake while telling a joke , or a singer purposfully screw up notes , or an atlethe purposfully not playing to his fullest , their whole buisness model is build on pointing out mistakes , and they make mistakes of their own on purpose ? fuck them , at least they could be accurate in dumb nitpickery for the sake of dumb nitpickery , but no , that would be effort ...

[@Legacy0901]

It's the laziest way to dodge responsibility possible. Don't have to improve if you refuse to acknowledge that you ever made a mistake

[@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme]

@@davidegaruti2582 I've actually seen comedians purposely make mistakes during a joke, it's extremely common in the manzai style of comedy over in Japan. However... that's performed by a duo of a tsukkomi and boke, A.K.A. a straight man and a funny man. The funny man is supposed to be corrected by the straight man. They literally have another person in place to point out that the funny man is being wrong. CinemaSins on the other hand isn't being corrected, which is the real crux of why their mistakes are so bad. If you make mistakes extremely egregious, they *must* be corrected for it to be comedic- otherwise you're just wrong. This is something CinemaSins hasn't understood for a long, long time.

[@magnatcleo2043]

@@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme Additionally, intentional mistakes for comedy tend to be way more blatant. It's often extremely obvious, and sometimes stated, sarcasm, or just being so ridiculously wrong that there's no chance of being taken seriously. CinemaSins mistakes aren't the kind that read as obvious jokes, and seem more like actual mistakes.

[@zackcash4941]

I would not be able to resist the urge to point out that 17 minutes and 45 seconds isn't 17 minutes or less.

[@ZorotheGallade]

They probably discounted the full minute of ads, opening and ending

[@konikotrestrescinco859]

Add a sin on there counter for it

[@caydenbouv23]

the sinning of the movie is less than that but every video has outtakes and voice over things

[@ashendude3394]

​​@@konikotrestrescinco859 *(ting)* sin counter: 1

[@PeachFiend]

I HAVE BEEN ENRAGED BY THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME. THEY ALWAYS FUCKING DO THIS IT PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH I KNOW IT'S IRRATIONAL BUT JUST.... UGHHHHH

[@juicetonn]

You have literally reminded me why I stopped watching CinemaSins all those years ago. It was fun when I watched something I had no intentions of watching, but when ever it was a movie that I had watched and enjoyed. I would always go, "wait, that wasn't even the point of that scene." It made me feel like they weren't even watching the movies.

[@Lucky180]

Thats a pretty good point, I quite enjoyed watching their content as somene that disliked watching movies. Having started to watch movies and then going to watch their take on it always left a bad taste afterwards.

[@tuurderom2017]

I wouldn’t even have to watch the movie, just someone Elise’s take and I’d realise how bad his takes where.

[@Sleepyvoidboi2111]

It just pissed me off for them to sin random stuff that isn’t bad in the slightest. A reference? Sin. A joke? Sin. A line from a background character? Sin.

[@1-1311socksensliders]

yes. thats the joke

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

Same here. It was funny until I realized how bad their critiques were. This important foreshadowing? Sin because it's not relevant. Oh it came up later? We'll ignore that

[@Zizumia]

I stopped watching CinemaSins many years ago, and I remember it was because they ruined my mentality on watching movies. It got to the point I'd be at the movie theater watching a new movie and in my head, I'd be "dinging" away at any flaws I could find. I stopped watching movies to enjoy movies and started watching movies to point out their flaws. It's a shitty way to experience media and its unfortunate these guys do that for a living.

[@Stormy_Seaz_dragonz]

me to!! I felt like I couldn't enjoy movies anymore because everything felt like it was some sort of error

[@roo.pzz4380]

Me too! The internet changed my view on movies by telling me which ones were supposed to be bad and good but I realized it doesn’t matter and if I enjoy the movie it’s a good movie to me. I had fun watching the Cats movie and Wish (even though I can see where they went wrong)

[@ninjdraw8305]

Yooo so it wasnt just me!

[@XSl3nt]

Cinema sins is just joking. It's not serious hahahah the whole channel goes over your head if you start dinging yourself.

[@Office_chair]

yeah and I think that's why I quickly left CinemaSins after I found it was it not only were they ruining people's favorite movies for them and basically try to turn them against it too I didn't want to make myself only look for negative and things I hate in everything I do and watch and never look at anything positively. since also when you're that type of person a lot of people don't like you or want to be around you because you ruin everything for them and can't ever enjoy anything.

[@LasagnaTheArtist]

I’ve never cared about Suicide Squad, or even DC films in general. But that climax? The climax which I had almost no context for? It made me cry. Just seeing it on its own, completely detached from the rest of its story, was enough to make me cry. That’s how powerful that moment is. I can’t believe I used to watch CinemaSins. I can’t believe I was one of those people who found it a good substitute for actually watching the film. They miss the entire point of a film and then act like it’s “being too smart and observant to get fooled by the writers’ emotional manipulation” rather than “lacking basic empathy and emotional intelligence.”

[@APersonTM]

Glad to know I wasn’t the only one crying for a movie climax without any context

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

the actor really sells the emotion in her face and you kinda emote with her .

[@rishavghosal121]

Glad I'm not the only one wow

[@roloboog]

I can’t believe you either, watching CinemaSins is one thing. Hell I still occasionally tune in, but to view it as a viable substitute for the actual film is another level.

[@Implodent]

my thoughts exactly lmfao

[@thecrimsonender]

I would actually argue that CinemaSins is a great example of anti-intellectualism, more than anything.

[@joshfennell2257]

You are right. It's a real American (conservative) tradition, really shows through in CS's casual sexism, etc. CS is the embodiment of every American dingus who thinks "that's stupid!" is the deus ex machina to kill all cliches.

[@maxskellington910]

@Jacqueline Davis All American conservatives are that way actually. Conservatism on it's own is hypocrytical and foolish. They're not "being a bigot" you're not oppressed for chosing to have dumb views and associating yourself with side that boasts about being a snake eating it's own tail.

[@vaillville3438]

@@joshfennell2257 Why did you put an ('s) after CinemaSins

[@epileptictrees5213]

@Jacqueline Davis America is bad tho

[@offended323]

What does cinema sins have to do with conservatism or politics in any way

[@princekyle4132]

CinemaSins are not critics, they’re hecklers. Nothing more.

[@ripbiscuit8744]

No, they're assholes. Their words, not mine

[@brandon0981]

Difference being?

[@sessamechickens4441]

i agree completely with this but i fee like people dont watch their videos for critiques they watch it for the heckle

[@chevvy427]

​@@brandon0981They're not there to critique, they're there to pick petty fights with problems that aren't there half the time. A heckler isn't a critic, they're a bad audience member.

[@kirtil5177]

@@brandon0981 critics show how something could be improved, hecklers take a piss on people's work. theres overlap, but its not nearly as significant as some want to believe

[@goobydooby1846]

I was watching this video while doing the washing up in the kitchen and stopped what I was doing to go wipe down my TV because the black, marbled background made it look like my TV was absolutely covered in dust. Good video, btw!

[@briishcabbage568]

"How did they get up there? They aren't batman" Confirmed: CinemaSins has never heard of ladders, climbing, ropes, suction cups, or vertical elevation in general.

[@xxGreenRoblox]

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know how to jump and assumed nobody else could either

[@__tadpole__8195]

It’s also complicated, detailed architecture. Or as I like to say, it’s covered in handholds.

[@destroyerofturtles5024]

SUCTION CUP MAN

[@TurbopropPuppy]

the idea that CinemaSins thinks Batman is the only person capable of getting up things is really funny though

[@nucleardamage1]

Imagine being so braindead you don't understand basic sarcasm.

[@isiaadiel3468]

Something a therapist told me: "There is a myth that smart people are miserable and ignorance is the only way to be happy, but the only people that believe that wholeheartedly are the ones that also believe all happy people are ignorant."

[@mr_titty_wiggles1516]

My therapist once said: " When me and my gang pull up you better get to runnin."

[@Spaced92]

Anecdotal, but everyone in my family growing up was dumb as fuck, abusive, self absorbed and utterly miserable people to be around. The myth is tied to alcohol making people "happy", as if mental health experts say you should get buzzed whenever you're sad. It's just a depressant, it doesn't make you happy, it's artificial dopamine that makes other activities less pleasurable compared to drinking, the happy alcoholic stereotype is long dead.

[@bugjams]

Something I'd like to add is that "not caring" and "being ignorant" are 2 entirely different things that are often mistaken for one another. What I mean by this is... you can watch a movie, with lots of flaws and room for criticism. You can be _fully aware_ of the criticisms and flaws you could point out... or you could just choose to ignore them and enjoy the movie. It's all just a matter of what you focus on. And it's much more fulfilling to just enjoy a movie. There will _always_ be cynical people, and people who's literal *job* it is to pluck and peel apart movies second-by-second... so there's no need for you to sacrifice your own enjoyment of media to do that. It doesn't make you ignorant, because you're still aware of the flaws, you just realize that it'll do nothing but make yourself miserable to cling to them. If anything, it makes you wiser than the people who always nit-pick everything.

[@larrote6467]

I've always been against the "ignorance is bliss" idea. you don't like to learn? ok, but don't lump me in with you.

[@thedarkderp2520]

@@larrote6467 that phrase is more akin to saying there are things better left unknown rather than the more stupid you are the happier you are

[@Dialgadude]

Speaking from my position as a grad student in scriptwriting, I've had a couple peers in my program who said they aspired to create a "CinemaSins-proof screenplay" and I *despaired*. Those videos have done so much harm with how we engage and talk about films that anyone who gives those hacks any quarter by taking them into account and altering their own vision for a movie is so depressing. Their channel is equally far-reaching as how mind-poisoning it is. Anyways, as someone who had his fill of superhero movies, The Suicide Squad was good yo.

[@Vesperitis]

If CinemaSins critiqued The Tortoise and the Hare, they'd probably complain about how the story was too short, there was no character arc, and how can the tortoise communicate with the hare they're two different species, and why was the hare so stupid as to take a nap halfway through the race. And they would completely miss out the lesson of the fable, that if you have talent but are lazy, you're going to be beaten by people who work hard and never give up. The superficial elements of the story are not as important as the themes and subtext. No story is "CinemaSins-proof". Any shithead troll can point and laugh and make fun of something. But the act of creation, of adding value to the world, that is infinitely harder, and infinitely more valuable than these shitheads' "opinions". Also, The Suicide Squad is considered to be the best DC film after The Dark Knight, so CS's opinions can go eat from a toilet.

[@TheHowlingMan]

This "chekhov" guy thought it'd be smart to show us the gun at the beginning. Sure, because *that* doesn't spoil the ending at all. DING

[@mredbadger]

I feel like a lot of modern movies try to ‘cinemasins-proof’ themselves by having the characters point out tropes and plot holes themselves. But that just results in a generation of movies that are scared to be sincere, and all for CS to just go “what he said.” *ding*

[@AshenVictor]

Don't worry, they'll just do a hostile edit to create a "sin" anyway.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Interestingly, in an interview the Russo's said they wrote Winter Soldier with the idea of making it "Honest Trailer proof". When the Honest Trailer for it came out, the main thrust was "uh, I guess the bad guys plan was pretty complicated? This one's hard guys, sorry"

[@liamreid5407]

The "eyeball juice" sin is especially stupid because I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that vitreous humor is nearly entirely water. But as Bob said in Sustaining Stupidity, "Some people will claim this is just CinemaSins playing their asshole character for a joke, but after a certain point, it doesn't matter: if you pretend to be stupid for long enough, you just look stupid."

[@iamghost99]

@liamreid5407 Nah you just can’t stand your favorite movie being clowned on. Grow a pair.

[@iamghost99]

What an incredibly stupid comment to make. This just means you in particular have watched them so much that you now think this. Either that or you just can’t stand your favorite movie getting criticized 😂. Grow a pair. Also I can assure you they don’t look stupid to many of their millions of other subscribers.

[@Pool-h5w]

@@iamghost99 cry harder

[@CheeseAndCrackers_]

Cinemasins criteria for a good movie: Must have lots of jokes Characters can't make jokes Characters must face challenges Characters can't face any challenge Must have lots of character development Can't have character development because it's boring Characters must never make mistakes Characters can't be intelligent Can't have good climax Climax can't be boring

[@064razor]

Scene must contain lap dance. You forgot that one

[@dreamhaskins3366]

@@064razor If I remember right, it's still a sin if Jeremy isn't the one *receiving* the lap dance.

[@justpeachy5712]

Don’t forget they CANNOT eat an apple

[@Shadethewolfy]

Characters can't be saved (even though that's not what a fucking Deus ex Machina is... >

[@RJLiams]

"Characters must never make a mistake." Can't really use that since that is an unironic criticism damn near every critic makes. It's most prolific in the horror movie genre. It's more of a sad state of general criticism when the average view of characters making mistakes are seen as bad writing.

[@serenitymoon825]

Switching from watching Cinema Sins to Cinema Wins actually helped me start enjoying movies again because I wasn't subconsciously nitpicking everything

[@kennorcott7074]

Cinema wins is an awesome channel, love that guy

[@AeonKnigh432]

I'm a person who actively enjoys disecting and critiquing movies as I watch them, and yet I still hate Cinema Sins because they aren't actually critiquing movies 90% of the time and are just blatantly misrepresenting the plot on purpose to introduce dumb questions that either don't need to be answered or literally were answered.

[@Eeok]

I switch between both .

[@Eeok]

​@@AeonKnigh432 People thought they were critics? No wonder. It's mostly a channel bashing movies for the fun of it.

[@travelsizedhispasian]

My thoughts exactly, CinemaWins is just top tier. I watched their "Dune" video a while ago (Dune's probably one of my favourite movies of all time)-and they pointed out like 40 details that I didn't even notice! Same thing goes for other videos I watched from them like the (1st) Hunger Games; a movie I watched 50 times by now and they _still_ managed to note out 10 or so details I was unaware. They're really amazing and I love them.

[@Imthatfriendthatmakesyoulaugh]

I think the biggest problem with CinemaSins is that he doesn't actually critique problems with the movie. he just points out what he likes and doesn't like

[@xEmoBoyx]

And people get their panties in a knot over that 😂

[@Theguyoverthere603]

​@@xEmoBoyxBruh why are you everywhere in this comment section. Desperate much?

[@xEmoBoyx]

@@Theguyoverthere603 why are these snowflakes so sensitive? 🤡

[@YarugumaSou]

@@Theguyoverthere603 Must've been Jeremy's bot account

[@One.Zero.One101]

Agreed, being based on a valid critique is what makes a joke funny. If it's based on some random unrelated nitpick, then it's not funny. That's the difference between Pitch Meetings and Cinema Sins.

[@loganschmidt1837]

At the end, when you're showing the Cinemasins video clip, it zooms in past the black borders and into the movie. That's genius. That's telling us to look past them and just watch the movie

[@jamesoblivion]

The fact that CS stans thought that was you in the car, and were trashing what 'you' were saying in the car segments, is the funniest thing to ever come out of CS's entire existence. Not only can they not recognize the voice of their favorite video hack, they're literally *trashing Jeremy to protect Jeremy.* 😂😂😂😂😂

[@coriander_sun]

Also speaks volumes to the media literacy of CS fans. It was very clear from context who that was in the car (or if you missed it the first time, it was explicitly clear when that rant video was brought up again later). Who would have thought that CS fans, of all people, would not pay attention to what they're watching, misinterpret it, and then make fun of it based on that mistaken understanding?

[@IBassGaming]

@@coriander_sun The answer to your last question is cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.

[@NormalHuman-t3h]

And they were also calling him old and crap like that. Super funny, especially since they admit they didn't even bother to watch it.

[@Gimodon]

Especially the top comment, which says he had to express what his inner Jeremy lover was thinking... at Jeremy.

[@gregothy9190]

I love it when people are shouting at you for criticising and their argument is "if you dont like it, stop watching it". You can really hear it as the deep irony flies over their head.

[@texaschodehouse]

But moviebob makes several hours’ long videos of nearly crying about cinemasins existence whereas you wouldn’t know if the people criticizing this video in the comments did stop watching and left a comment on the way out

[@RenaldyCalixte]

@@texaschodehouse He's complaining about Cinemasins approach not their existence and make specific points about why he thinks Cinemasins is lazy.

[@texaschodehouse]

I’m pretty sure existing and being however you are are intrinsically linked. The thing that I keep waiting for someone to explain is the “nearly crying” part. I’ve disliked a lot of movie reviewers (I don’t like cinema sins either) but I’m not in tears bemoaning how some movie reviewer nearly ruined my life and the lives of my whole generation like moviebob/this comment section are. It’s really dramatic

[@RenaldyCalixte]

@@texaschodehouse It's not dramatic if it convinces movie fans to change their approach to analyzing movies which forces movie studios to make jokes that poke fun at tropes within movies. These meta jokes hurt the overall quality of movies because they add nothing to the story. Also what's wrong with criticizing Cinemasins if their approach is lazy but it's negatively impacting the movie fan community. They misrepresent the average movie fan. Cinemasins defenders say Cinemasins is playing a character the average movie fan. But average movie fans don't laugh at unimportant details and make weird sex jokes. Beevus and Butthead did that in the 90s.

[@texaschodehouse]

So the measure of how non-dramatic something is is how much it convinces people? How is that so? Audience changing approach to analyzing forces studios to make jokes poking fun at tropes? No it doesn’t. They aren’t forced to do anything. Meta jokes hurt the quality of the story? Really subjective, depends on the story. Never said anything is wrong with criticizing cinema sins. I said it’s weird to be sounding like your about to cry and blaming one KZbin channel for “ruining a generation of moviegoers” They misrepresent the cinephile community? Well I don’t know who would expect any one KZbin channel to represent the whole cinephile community, that would be weird. They are playing a character, just one I’m not that interested in. Just like “on cinema at the cinema.” I don’t see you guys complaining about that show. In summary it’s weird that you think movie studios put tons of weight into what this KZbin channel is doing, it’s weird that you expect them to represent you and not just do whatever they choose to do with their show, and it’s weird that everyone in these is acting like they had some compulsion to parrot CS-style humor which they had no agency over somehow and now they are so upset the channel ruined their live apparently

[@BowserTheSecond]

The most impressive thing is how you got CinemaSins to nuke a bunch of their side content. They would rather hide the things you criticised then over instead of leaving them up and potentially farming ad revenue off of them.

[@datstift610]

Trade offer: You get: Delete videos that show evidence of what has been critiqued You lose: About 500.000 money units of Ad revenue per year

[@BlazingSoul96]

Sinning a movie for showing us it’s logos is identical for hating a restaurant for advertising their food with their logo in it

[@deluxejay69]

Jeremy: *ignores half the movie because he's distracted trying to come up with his cool, edgy jokes* Also Jeremy: I don't understand the plot! They aren't explaining anything that's happening! Sin!

[@shadowrev2914]

That must be the "jokes" their fans keep talking about.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Yep which is why i stopped watching his awful channel

[@anasexualdragonwithinterne2912]

its satire they've stated themselves we're not critics we're just assholes not everything needs to be taken so seriously sometimes their jokes fall flat just like anyone who has ever made multiple jokes there are people out there who make far worse critiques and are serious about it so chill out alright

[@golduck7495]

@@anasexualdragonwithinterne2912 that doesn't mean it isn't annoying as fuck, that's like saying "but the murderer confessed to the crime so its all right"

[@ulfberht4431]

@@anasexualdragonwithinterne2912 Ah yes, the tired old “it’s satire leave my senpai alone” excuse! You might as well tell me that Russia ain’t gonna invade Ukraine anytime soon!

[@owenleal]

Im actually sat here, weeping with laughter that the cinemasins fans were busy excoriating Jeremy for being pretentious and self aggrandising, whilst thinking that it was you in the car and that they were defending him.😂

[@datstift610]

That's actually hilarious

[@steambrowser6185]

Talking to the camera in the car sin

[@edun4513]

Goes to show the intelligence of cinemasins fans

[@usedplaster9655]

@@steambrowser6185 camera in the car cliche

[@SirAsdf]

"Exciorating" is my new favorite 10 dollar word.

[@myfriendscallmekat]

I used to watch CinemaSins religiously as a teenager, until I realized it was making me hate movies and nitpick every little thing to the point that I could enjoy nothing. I love The Suicide Squad and even reliving that final emotional moment in the movie made me tear up. Thank you for sharing!

[@olivercharles2930]

skill issue

[@tututoller]

​@@olivercharles2930 It sure is a big skill issue to not let people have their opinions, Charles.

[@xEmoBoyx]

Skill issue bro

[@yondie491]

Or... hear me out... you can ignore the parts you feel make you feel negative and just enjoy the parts you like, while absorbing the tidbits of legitimate criticism sprinkled throughout. I *PROMISE YOU* you'll understand as you get older (I have to presume that, as someone who "used to watch CinemaSins religiously as a teenager, you're still in your 20s, and I HOPE you realize that the only people who hit their mental/emotional peak in their 20s are........ um...... well yeah that's not something you should want to happen, thusly, you should be open to the fact that you still have growing up to do).

[@xEmoBoyx]

@@yondie491 EXACTLY THIS! If you can't take criticism, don't watch it

[@metro0612]

What gets me laughing is that CinemaSins has proven their satire as stale where their "criticism" are just asspulls that don't really make their jokes funny or point out a plot hole we may have missed. Meanwhile, there's Pitch Meeting, a web series that does exactly what CinemaSins fails to do: poke fun at the contrivances, cliches, tropes, and plot hoke of a movie or show all while pointing it out and making us laugh over it. I never watched CinemaSins, and I'm glad I never did. They just seem intent running an old joke to the fucking outer reaches of the unknown universe when it stopped being funny last millennium ago.

[@ShOscar]

CinemaSins is like the pinnacle of how pessimism sells. They seem to know that people gravitate more towards negativity or anger, much like how a review of a bad videogame will get more interaction than a review of a good game. CS sees that trend and makes it their bitch, for better or worse.

[@phoenixrising7777]

Yeah and this video is selling pessimism too by nitpicking another channel. Lol how ironic.

[@mariethememelord9555]

@@phoenixrising7777 Sometimes, you gotta fight fire with fire.

[@phoenixrising7777]

@@mariethememelord9555 sounds hypocritical if that’s the central point of the video’s thesis.

[@kylemorello4787]

@@mariethememelord9555 some of my favorite videos to look up are defense videos on things like modern cartoons and The Last Jedi.

[@thegrapethief5514]

@@phoenixrising7777 he isn’t nitpicking it, he’s pointing out fundamental flaws and hypocrisy in CinemaSins’ approach and their public statements. That’s not nitpicking or being pessimistic. That’s just viewing something on the whole and criticizing how bad it is. Pessimism is having a negative predisposition towards things that is not related to the actual nature of whatever it is you’re being pessimistic about. Being critical of a channel like CinemaSins is not selling pessimism. Selling an entire channel founded off of negative videos about movies, like CinemaSins does, is selling pessimism.

[@ToxikBox]

People who discourage emotional intelligence and media literacy will always have a special place in my "god you make me so fucking mad" part of my brain

[@somerandomgamer8504]

And people who encourage only emotional intelligence and dismiss rational intelligence will always have a special place in nowhere because if this shit actually makes you mad you should probably see a psychiatrist about that.

[@worfsonofmogh323]

@@somerandomgamer8504 For some reason, you seem *way* more mad than they do.

[@SuleMio]

@@somerandomgamer8504 aaaaah you maddddddd

[@trevorsignorini6809]

@@somerandomgamer8504 Who are you arguing with?

[@ChimmneyMan]

@@somerandomgamer8504 You’re really living up to your name as an angry csgo player

[@Tazzie1312]

The "This is a genuinely cool scene" scene, with the two bullets - I haven't seen the movie, but is that not also a callback to the guy saying he shot smaller bullets so he shot better? That's... like that's genuinely good storytelling, actually.

[@nef36]

Literally my first reaction was to remember the scene where he was bragging about shooting smaller bullets. I haven't seen the movie, and I didn't even bother looking at their faces in that scene near the end, but being a callback seemed like such an obvious thing that it's kind of hilarious that CinemaSins decided to rag on it anyways.

[@robertmicropenis5114]

people who like to make intellectual remarks on movies usually don't pick up on more subtle things lmao

[@JeradMal]

It's even worse, because 2 seconds later, before Peacemaker dies, he asks Bloodsport how that was possible, to which Bloodsport simply replies, "Smaller bullets", making the callback even more obvious. But I guess it still wasn't obvious enough for CinemaSins.

[@Tazzie1312]

@@JeradMal Oh my goooood I haven't seen the movie but that's like. So obviously a callback?? Wow.

[@doomoftheend]

​@@JeradMaldid you mix up the 2?

[@elective_1232]

cinema sins' entire career is just based off of not understanding basic story elements and acting like they're geniuses

[@Ohokok_channeledition]

pure genius

[@plasmadrip4633]

The scene where bloodsport and peacemaker shoot at one another and their bullets pass through each-other’s is not only a cool scene, but it’s also a callback to the joke peacemaker makes when they first meet about how he shoots “even more in the center” and “his bullets pass through yours without even touching the sides”

[@BIGJUNK1MILLION]

I know, that shit was probably my favorite scene in the movie, made me damn near jump out of my seat.

[@Posiman]

Yeah, it also has a thematic meaning. Bloodsport used smaller bullets, because he listened to Peacemaker when he said it. It hits home that while both characters are arrogant, Bloodsport is the one willing to listen to others, take notes, adjust and improve himself. Peacemaker is too self-centered and stubborn in his worldview, that's why his character growth has to wait for the TV show...

[@jumpyyjasminee5315]

@@Posiman 😭 the last line

[@BaldPerspective]

Well, to acknowledge that would be to pay attention to the movie & I very honestly, most of the time anymore, think the people in charge of that channel are physically incapable of doing that. Hyperbole aside, it seriously seems they're inebriated much of the time.

[@OfficialMaxBox]

Cinema Sins is an outmoded relic from the internet period of cynical=cool, and they themselves are suffering from flanderization from turning up the insensitivity, "skip!" etc. The mirror channel Cinema Wins is the formula perfected. Celebrating movies instead of slashing them. Strongly recommend if anyone's never heard of them. Very good closing to the video, as well.

[@kylebradley3]

Cinemawins was cool until they started inserting contemporary politics into every video.

[@lionguardant5468]

@@kylebradley3 yeah, who wants to engage on a meaningful level with art by talking about the political implications of the art

[@zachflag6506]

@@kylebradley3 “I wish comics and movies and games and books weren’t political anymore, unless they line up with my own personal political stances”

[@diablo.the.cheater]

​@@lionguardant5468 That is because people do not want to engage with art at all, they want escapism and entertaiment, so they don't want their viewpoints to be challenged or even if not challenged for them to be reminded of the problems of society, they don't see media as art but as a kind of drug to forget for a time about their worries and be happy, so when they view a political message they disagree being present at all in their tools of scapism they get angry, or even if they agree when they see real problems of society they have to deal with in their escapist media they feel sad. So what people prefer is the most vanilla bullshit that tries to not challenge any political idea and do not show current social problems. It is not a good reason to hate, but it is most probably the actual reason of the hate, the public is not looking for a challenge to their ideas or a reminder of grim realities. The solution to this is actually art, if a piece of media is high art, top quality, people will forgive to be trown out of their sphere of comfort and challenged, but if the piece is uninspired or mediocre, then it is not forgiven. There had been a lot of mediocre or even downright bad works in the last years that have had challenging politics in them, and it has caused people to associate bad quality with having a political message. You can't make a cheesy cringey comedy full of political ideals and expect people to like it, and there ha been a ton of that kind of shit, and that has made it worse and now people are dismissing good works because they are political. Dumb movies can't have complex messages, fast and furious is as dumb as that ghostbusters movie, but fast and furious is just dumb action with some fuzzy message about family and in friends are family. While the ghostbusters movie was triying to push gender politics and empowerement of women, that is a good message but you can't just include that message in a dumb movie, because the message is not some fuzzy dumb cheesy message but a real message about a real problem in society, and it needs a level of quality equal to the seriousness of the message, which that ghostbusters movied did not have, it wasn't even that hard, women emporewement is not that contencious and most people agree that is good so you don't need and absolute master work to justify it, just something that is good, but the movie was not good, it was a dumb movie, so it undermined the message and people make the message the culprit of the quality because we humans are quick to find culprits even if they are not. Movies like that and other works with similar problems have made society to think "politics=bad quality" in the recent years, this has caused the standards required for something to be politic to rise and rise and rise again, i blame capitalism as the cause of this is bad people wanting to missuse important political messages as marketing tools for their dumb movies.

[@kylebradley3]

@@lionguardant5468 Inserting regurgitated talking points with a child like understanding of the concepts and practices they're referring to isn't meaningful nor does it add to the discussion.

[@SuperWiiBros08]

Cinemasins have become the embodiment of only focusing on the negative of anything

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I wish, Cinemansins is instead the embodiment of making shit up to be mad about. If he actually focused on what was wrong with a film, it could be educational.

[@Ironica82]

Yea, Honest Trailers and Pitch Meeting does a way better job at poking fun at the movie flaws than CS.

[@gibs.]

That's exactly what cinema sins is about mate

[@foxfire1345]

Their arguments on what considered as "Sins" are shit anyways. they nitpick on some of the most minute stuff and doesn't even support those sins well enough. Its humour for 10 yr olds at best.

[@PunkRatSoda]

the fact he sins things and scenes he likes in the movies he criticises already speaks for itself

[@Zyrodil]

I absolutely agree with your point at 24:30, when I watched CinemaSins I'd start "noticing" things in movies, things that "didn't make sense". Me and a friend would even sit and watch movies CS hadn't done videos on yet and we'd laugh at how bad some things were even if it really wasn't bad. My Mom actually told me to shut the fuck up while watching movies because I'd keep ruining everything, but I just didn't understand back then. I understand that I should've seen what I was doing, but I completely aped CS while watching movies, there's a fat 4 year hole somewhere around 2015 where I just didn't enjoy a single movie, because I'd have that fucking Dinging sound in the back of my mind when my subconscious thought there was something that didn't make sense, I'd roll my eyes, point to the screen and say: "That doesn't make sense." I wouldn't say shit if it was just a channel about shit-talking movie mistakes, but it literally just pointed out random things and said... well, nothing. At that point you're basically just fostering a mentality that movies aren't good, "No movie is without a sin" is sadly more like a "No movie is actually good" at the end of things.

[@blueshirt12]

CinemaSins is that person who tells you what their IQ is.

[@lunarsprinkle6580]

The worst type of people

[@scubasteve6175]

the kind of guy to get a 143 online in 10 minutes and never let go of it

[@deat2393]

@MrDjBigZ what?

[@seventycross0yt175]

That’s the trick they have none

[@jethromcgl3697]

"people who boast about their IQ are losers" - Steven Hawking

[@Nick_C1997]

A little note on the guy flipping of Weasel, James Gunn confirmed that Weasel is actually innocent, he was actually arrested of the child killings because he's a giant weasel so everyone just assumed it was him. That being said, the guy flipping him off didn't know that so the point still stands Also, did Jeremy really say that Javelin, real name Gunter Braun, a former German Olympian, played by a German Actor, who speaks with a German accent...is British?

[@2-Way_Intersection]

i mean, that line at least sounded more british than anything. british enough to fool someone i guess. (maybe he lives/lived there for a time)

[@GamergaidenX]

I'd always taken the flipping off scene a different way. I thought he placed money on Weasel and lost the bet when he died first and was flipping him off for that reason.

[@wiseforcommonsense]

​@@GamergaidenXthat's what I also thought!

[@Dorraj]

It's called "comedy" Emphasis on the quotation marks, as "comedy" on the cinemasins writing writing team is a questionable word to use at best.

[@DreamerOfTheSouth]

Weasel is the best character in the whole movie confirmed.

[@schmuckmcgee7294]

As much as I dislike being negative to this extent, I have to say that the thing that upsets me the most about CinemaSins is how they discourage sincerity. They like to claim that their videos are all “sarcasm” and they definitely are. But it isn’t a fun kind of sarcasm. It feels withering and petulant. It’s edgy eighth graders thinking they’re the coolest because nothing matters to them. With so many people treating their videos as gospel, I think it spreads this idea that genuinely loving(or even just enjoying) a work, flaws and all, is stupid and should immediately discredit you. I don’t want to just say “How the heck did X do Y in Scene Z?!” I want to have an honest, earnest discussion about films, games, books, etc. I want to listen to discussions of what it made people feel and how it made them feel that. That’s what I think we should be doing and promoting. Sorry for being so long and rambly. Basically, I don’t like extreme, mean spirited sarcasm, and much prefer genuine and sincere thoughts on a creative work. It’s just sad that CinemaSins promotes the former while being much bigger than most creators in the latter.

[@jtlego1]

The fact that he shat all over Ratcatcher II’s backstory *and* the emotional denouement of the film is just *fucking aggravating* . At that point it’s not criticism, that’s just being a fucking killjoy.

[@Graknorke]

@@Marcspielt I'm not going to pretend I've watched the film, but just going off what we're told here I don't really buy that. The squad's handlers are shown as callous dickheads at every opportunity and the rat moment comes as they're explicitly going against orders to do something for personal sentimental reasons

[@obie224]

@@Marcspielt r/i'm14andthisisdeep

[@Undademedina]

@@Marcspielt Except that moment is supposed to represent the complete opposite, Waller and by extension the world sees them as nothing but scum and so the government is okay in using them as canyon fodder (that was the explicit purpose of having 2 teams) and the ending is Bloodsport, Ratcatcher and even Polka-Dot man asserting that they do have value and they are people, by going against Waller's orders even though that would most likely get them killed either by Starro or Waller herself. I genuinely don't see how you can interpret that moment as them being subservient.

[@obie224]

@@Marcspielt amazing, such a vast intellect and you can't figure out the meaning of such a simple comment. lol actually you really do come off as a try hard social outcast. quite sad tbh.

[@bichen-up-ur]

i think what i’ve learned so far is that every youtube sponsor is flat out bad, a scam, or useless.

[@peamut547]

The issue is that they take things that are meant to be taken seriously as a joke, while also taking things that are meant to be jokes too seriously. They hyperbolize every action with its direct antithesis, which is extremely annoying.

[@watchmychannelorelse]

uhm, you used big words, you are clearly a nerd!!!!!!!!!!!!!! opinion invalid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@sameermohideen4913]

Humor is subjective. There are plenty of comedians that I find funny and probably an equal amount that I don't find funny. CinemaSins is just another form of humor. You are essentially doing the same. Taking them seriously while they're just meant to be taken as a joke. No one should take CinemaSins seriously, and if they do, that's their problem. If it's annoying, don't watch it. Click on something else, there's plenty of content to consume apart from CinemaSins.

[@peamut547]

@@sameermohideen4913 I don’t watch them anymore. Just wanted to give my thoughts. No need to defend them so hard, lol.

[@sameermohideen4913]

@@peamut547 There wasn't much of a defense in my comment. Some like it, some don't. If that's a "defense" for you I'm not sure what you want to hear.

[@sgtpastry]

@@sameermohideen4913 That's a good majority of their viewers that take them seriously. There is something wrong with their satire if the alleged satire KZbin channel is taken seriously.

[@marion.saturn]

Satire exists to make you think more about a topic. If someone tells you you shouldn't think about what they're saying because it's "satire", then you know it's bullshit.

[@dorn0531]

Excellent point. Satire is not a criticism-proof shield.

[@saxor96]

@@dorn0531 In fact, Satire *is* criticism on itself. It's a comedy made with the intent of critique. You cannot make a satire without criticising something, that's the whole point. So their excuse is even more pathetic, because a satire *needs* to be right for it to work.

[@danieltodorov7753]

@@saxor96 Extremely well said.

[@KarolOfGutovo]

Sometimes "satire" makes you think "Hey, the author of this satire doesn't have a good understanding of what makes up the thing they are satirizing and relies on people not thinking about what they watch!"

[@Fetidaf]

@@KarolOfGutovowhich is exactly where it falls apart. In order to correctly satirize something, you need the very deepest understanding of whatever you’re satirizing to the point where what you’re doing is nearly indistinguishable from the core subject. Look at something like The Onion… they know exactly how news stations work, what they base stories on, how they want the audience to feel etc etc etc and then just take that idea and put a ridiculous twist on it. Stephen Colbert’s crew knew exactly how conservative republicans ate, drank, and slept, what their hopes were, what their fears were and they just cranked that up to 11 on the Colbert Report. Mitchell and Webb actually were broke college kids trying to find their way in the world… so they threw in some exaggeration. That’s how you do satire, you don’t just go “hurrumph they’re dumb!”

[@Furetchen]

CinemaSins just goes to show how far people will go to tell the world they have no media literacy, and are perversely proud of the fact.

[@razgrizraven]

Then there's the folks that build channels based around the CS model, but going after other media. Like Video Games and Anime....it's sad.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

"media literacy", "emotional intelligence"- who cares? Poking fun at movies is enjoyable. You don't like it? Sure, ok. It's not content for you, then. I don't like 3am prank channels, but I'm not going to make 2 entire videos about how they're some kind of scourge.

[@Endru85x]

@@somerandomgamer8504 It seems like did not get the point of videos like the one made by bobvids. Sure, it,s fun to poke actual mistakes, but Jeremy is a guy who tries to sound smart but oftren proves ignorance, or that he did not made any research - and yet he try to play an expert at anything from science to firearms.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

@@Endru85x So what? If a crazy homeless man outside your house claims he's a prophet and the end times are coming, are you just going to believe him and then blame him and complain when it's not? It's your choice to take the idiot seriously or not. It doesn't matter how seriously the idiot claims to be.

[@Endru85x]

@@somerandomgamer8504 Explain this to all the people who treat him seriously and think his sins are actual flaws of the film.

[@marcosviniciusbarbosafurta1366]

Man, the things I hate most about CinemaSins are: "Criticizing films for having [INSERT A NUMBER] minutes of logo" "Criticizing the film because scene does not include lap dance" (this is even in the FIRST VIDEO they posted on their channel) "Criticizing the film because [SOME FEMALE CHARACTER] is not he's girlfriend in some scene" "Jeremy makes a running gag about his 'college girlfriend'" "Jeremy says that anything that is a solution is a Deus ex machina" "Jeremy ignores something the movie explains and tells his audience that the movie doesn't explain something the movie REALLY explains" "Jeremy and Chris manipulate scenes to make it look like there really is a sin but there really isn't" "Jeremy making inappropriate jokes and saying that anything looks like a boner" "Jeremy tries to tell true facts but he completely alters the true facts" (an example, in the video "EWW: Finding Nemo" it says that Nemo would turn female after his mother died, when in fact Marlin would turn female after his wife died) "Jeremy singing in a video just to embarrass himself" "Jeremy making a pop culture references and saying that making pop culture references is a sin" "Jeremy sinning something he LIKES" "Jeremy pointing things on the screen" "Jeremy sinning things that EXIST in the real world that appear in movies" "Jeremy missidentifying animals" "Jeremy saying that some things are cliché when they really aren't" "Jeremy sinning things saying that are 'sins' that aren't sins" "Jeremy saying something that is not the focus of the scene" "Jeremy and Chris criticizes several good, critically acclaimed films as if they were bad" "Jeremy completely ignores the process of how to make a movie" "Jeremy sins something that's funny" "Jeremy seems to really hate some good movies" (like "The Amazing Spider-Man" and "The Emperor's New Groove", And yes, I don't think "The Amazing Spider-Man" is a bad movie)

[@ibavider]

CinemaSins is the type of guy who hears a joke and goes on a 3 hour tyrade about how it's wrong and wouldn't actually happen in real life

[@yusufbektas1961]

Cinemasins wouldnt actually do this because they are highly professionals and guess what profiessonals dont thos dis!!!!!! Gŕrrrr cinemasins best and they never do this. They understand what joke is big noob no baller skills no 8

[@beef3442]

I am glad everyone is refering to the channel cinemasins and not the person behind it, just proud of people for making the destinction.

[@unclenegan6694]

lmao thats literally yall. cs is joking around. they know they read too much into it. clearly yall cant take jokes.

[@Spurgenn]

​@@unclenegan6694 They hide behind the veneer of satire to diminish criticism.

[@ibavider]

@@Spurgenn W

[@emolookingguy8277]

Watching CinemaSins makes me feel like im showing my parents any piece of media that brings me joy and watching them laugh at and mock it bc they don't understand how something so "stupid" can matter so much to me

[@lornahurt170]

Oh BIG mood

[@ACSkitters]

That... Is so dang relatable it hurts physically...

[@sophiarhoads1196]

felt this too deeply

[@inkandpaintsnowleopard]

The reason I don’t share things with pretty much everyone without testing the waters first is because this hasn’t happened to me but I am VERY afraid of it

[@omega9216]

Relatable It's why I personaly avoid talking to my parents as much as posible

[@Nemrex]

The Ratcatcher scene is so emotionally resonant and a tearjerker even taken out of the whole movie. It really speaks to the writing, directing, acting, and editing of the film. Which makes it all the more of a brainflip when Cinema Sins “critique” is played moments later.

[@Tamiss]

skip!

[@Konxovar0]

I haven't seen the movie, but that scene, even only knowing what this video has shown me about the movie, nearly brought me to tears. Then seeing CinemaSins say some mean-spirited, bitter one-liner about it made me feel just... disappointed.

[@JimJamTheAdmin]

Harley's monologue about abusive exes and Ratcatcher starting off with "I have no problem with how much I love my father." both threaten to bring me to tears every single time, if not just make me cry. I already loved Idris Elba but this Suicide Squad helped me get over my dislike for Margot Robbie from the last one.

[@cloverdeityhearted8729]

@@JimJamTheAdmin im glad the new movie are making people come around to margot as harley! i remember my one takeaway with the original was that (despite the godawful writing and direction for her) she is really good at channeling her

[@christianc.christian5025]

@@Konxovar0 I guess that the cynicism of CinemaSins doesn’t bother me as much as their “trendy” sense of hipness. It’s just very boomer-ish to complain about everything all the time while maintaining that only one or two genres of movies - mostly made decades ago - are the only legitimate ones.

[@RoundusMongus]

As someone who watched WAY too much CinemaSins when I was younger, I have had to consciously stop myself from falling into the "well that isn't realistic" response that their videos seem to be based off of. Because it took me years to realize I was being a prick to EVERYONE I was at the movie with.

[@sophesteranimates]

i remember watching them a while back and just liked seeing how high the sin counter could get and didn’t actually care about the criticism 💀

[@a15yearold]

Probably most of the Dumb children who watched he's channel xD

[@yourdad5799]

Yea I remember watching to see just how many things that guy could pull out of his ass

[@AngelBurger]

Same, I knew a lot was wrong but I just watched for a laugh or general boredom.

[@mystyss]

same! thats probably part of the reason why they have the counter in the first place, lolz.

[@FabricatedPheonix]

That's the way you are supposed to watch them! They aren't serious videos, but people take them seriously

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

Storytelling is Humanity’s cultural heritage.

[@steambrowser6185]

Humanities cultural heritage sin *ding*

[@gluestickeater701]

as someone who used to watch a sh*t-ton of cinemasins, no cap, i literally only watched them for background noise. seriously. it’s such repetitive, monotonous content that still has juuuuust enough engagement to keep my brain occupied

[@pvic6959]

use cinema wins instead so cinemasins doesnt get views :P

[@nosamreklaw]

i thought i was the only one

[@sonetagu1337]

Ngl backround noise is cool when you're studying

[@panicqueen4295]

i used to watch it all the time too then one day the repetitive dinging got on my nerves and i haven't watched since

[@radbrad5185]

0:30 Cinnamonsins 🤤

[@clairetellkamp6253]

One of the big problems about cinemasins is that they do multiple different things: Some of their sins are genuine criticisms. Some of their sins are jokes. Some of their sins are just wrong. Jeremy has gone on record saying that they sometimes get things wrong on purpose because he "thinks it's funny." They have crafted a template where they can never get anything wrong ever. They never tell your whether the sin is meant to be genuine or a joke, and it means that if they actually get it wrong because they're fucking idiots, they can defend themselves by saying "no, we actually MEANT to get that wrong!" That's why you have so many diehard cinemasins fans who defend them by saying "You just don't understand cinemasins!" Because you CAN'T understand what they mean at any given time. It is hardcoded into their template.

[@olivercharles2930]

I think it is clear they are joking most times though. Hence why "diehard" cinemasins fans say that.

[@clairetellkamp6253]

@@olivercharles2930 I mean, some times it's clear. Some times it's not. That's the problem. It's impossible to criticize them because even if they aren't joking and accidentally make a mistake, diehard cinemasins fans will just say that it was a joke, and thus beyond criticism. They have manufactured a situation where they're "always right"

[@angelinacamacho8575]

It's like someone saying "I'm not rude you're just very sensitive" or "it's not that I'm not funny you just don't get my humor" talk about not being able to or wanting to take accountability.

[@kingoftherevolution4855]

It works for me I think if you watch a LOT of cinema sins, you can start to pick up what their actual opinions are vs the jokes, and which movies they actually like and don't. I mean i don't watch it much anymore but meh

[@goosegas2087]

​@@clairetellkamp6253It's like those people who post a controversial opinion, and when someone calls them out on it, they say it's a joke. But when someone agrees, they 180 and agree with said person.

[@jacksquatt6082]

CinemaSins is damn near single-handedly responsible for poisoning an entire generation of movie-goers into becoming cynical snobbish douche bags who think they're comedians just because they can recognize a story trope in a movie.

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

Wait till they find tropes are tools trope

[@klumsyninja9073]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@NOTDeezy.]

Honestly I only watched cinema sins for any continuity errors I find in movies and then see if anyone else found them but his jokes got annoying so quick

[@inkbery4473]

@@NOTDeezy. same. I watched them like 4 or 5 years ago when they used to just focus on fun little mistakes a movie made. then I feel like either I suddenly realized it, or they changed, but I noticed that they...didnt like those movies?? I always assumed it was fun for them to find inconsistencies, but at some point I started hearing genuine bitterness every video and that's when I took my leave :/

[@Tom-jw7ii]

I’m pretty sure people like that have existed for as long as movies were popular.

[@duskianfae]

I am a writer, and sometimes my anxiety over what I write gets really bad. On these days, I like to watch a CinemaSins video on a movie I like to remind myself that's how dumb my anxiety sounds.

[@cashmoneybag4]

Don’t try to lower your anxiety. Let it control you. Live in misery.

[@casualcrisis6349]

@@cashmoneybag4 idk what kind of dark side bullshit this is but to the OP- your writing will always seem worse to you than other people, you just have to keep writing and you'll inevitably improve. can i ask about your writing?

[@cheezkid2689]

Always remember that it's logistically impossible for your writing to ever be as painfully bad and idiotic as CinemaSins. I used to hate CinemaSins, and after this video, I'm convinced it's one of the worst popular channels on KZbin. They're not funny, clever, or intelligent, it's all just a bunch of loser assholes who exist only to be annoying.

[@fupoflapo2386]

You should never let your anxiety control you but dont grow careless either. We are not perfect creatures but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best either. Do not take this the wrong way but only as a caution. Anxiety when kept in check is a warning instinct after all.

[@Gyrant]

This... might be the sickest burn I have ever heard.

[@MR-qi5lc]

When i was a teenager i loved watching cinema sins, but at some point i started hearing the *ding* and possible comments the guy would make in my head while watching movies and i figured that i had to stop because it was genuinely preventing me from enjoying movies

[@PresidentJ]

I'm actually surprised CinemaSins is still alive and kicking after all these years. I remember watching them back when I was in early high school, like in 2011/2012. Once I realized their content is just the same regurgitated formula I stopped watching. I don't really find overly cynical funny, I mean it's ok to be cynical and it can be funny at times but literally at every single point in a movie they are overly cynical and nitpicky. It just gets tiring after a while.

[@AdamSlander888]

It’s something that people have different views on and while you might be surprised they’re alive they’re kind of thriving with almost 10 million subscribers at this point and people find cynical and satirical funny doesn’t mean everyone has to it’s just the way some people find comedy

[@derfvcderfvc7317]

They're not still alive though. They have a KZbin Channel with like 10 million subscribers yet only pull in a couple hundred thousand views a video. That ratio of views per video to subscriber count is atrocious and a clear sign of a dead KZbin Channel.

[@jamisdue3545]

By that logic Pewdiepie is a dead KZbinr too. Subscriptions to viewers is a bad metric.

[@axiolot5857]

yeah same, theres another channel called cinemawins wich is like, kinda the opposite, i find it way more enjoyable because they give actual criticism

[@goosegas2087]

@bikerdude That's contradictory. You can't be entertaining and boring.

[@juhuu13579]

It's like TheBirdman says: Cinemasins are seeking to make movies worse. And they dont even pay attention, and then complain when they get what they want

[@moonlight4665]

Cinemasins is part of this irony-poison internet culture were the most important thing is showing how very clever you are and the worst thing is showing genuine vulnerability or sincere emotion.

[@jollyorca]

Fully agree, the irony-poison internet culture has emotionally damaged me.

[@Vampress09]

Also describes twitter in a nutshell, atleast the clapback culture part of it.

[@yondie491]

It's entirely up to you if you want to consume it as poison or if you want to consume it as low-brow juvenile humor.

[@jinorism]

@@jollyorcaomg SAME, i’m trying so hard to remember who i was and how i felt and thought before i started using too much internet

[@panthekirb7561]

@@jollyorca You can't get any more fragile than this..

[@someone6531]

Cinemasins when a villain acts like a villain: 🤯 No, actually. They've literally sinned protagonist problems and villains for acting like a villain.

[@Ian-bt8dz]

“We purposely make mistakes in our scripts” “Officer I purposely make mistakes in my driving as satire of the automobile industry”

[@liamreid5407]

Severely underrated comment

[@antigrav6004]

CinemaWins proved people actually want to enjoy things about movies, not nitpicking them to pieces. Only good thing about cinemasins was this channel being made as a reaction.

[@NerdMiGerd]

The thing about CinemaWins, for me, is that they just have a much stronger understanding of movies and what goes into them. Their videos are always chock full of little factiods and other useful info about what goes into these movies, and the movie-making process as a whole, to the point where each video feels like a fully fleshed out thesis paper, as opposed to just "here's all the good thing about movie" that their name would imply. It's not just that their reviews are positive, they're just better made at the core.

[@hydrofalls8154]

I love his videos too it's just so optmistic and nice while being informative.

[@randompromises1038]

@@NerdMiGerd his sorta-ramble about the invisible man (2021) around the end was genuinely nice to hear, you can tell he cares a lot about the movie he's viewing and i gained more appreciation for that movie because it pointed out some things that i didn't notice on first watching. watched cs initially to find new things about the movies i watched and then stuck with cw because it showed enough appreciation of the story's themes and many of its elements. it's so much better to digest than constant negativity. guy just sticks to pointing out "this opening scene is genuinely engaging" or "the way you can tell the character is dealing with a lot of mixed emotions, the actor is really talented for pulling this off effectively" and i can just enjoy it as background noise or when i want to see someone else's interpretation of a movie i liked.

[@day9811]

watching CW made me appreciate how gorgeous the lighting is in films! the details this channel points out made me have such an incredibly positive reaction to movies now. a win to us!

[@moonmoon2479]

Cinemasins currently has millions more subscribers.

[@anth636]

CinemaSins just simply has run in too long for me. They're homoginized, the same joke sins have been said over and over again to where they've lost all meaning, and they've become what they were making fun of, considering how their bfanboys take their sins as gospel truth and will combat people who don't like CS by completely ignoring criticism, and responding with blanket statements that don't mean anything. CS started by making fun of basement dwelling wannabe critics, and they've spawned basement dwelling wannabe critics.

[@bryanbergmann1133]

I honestly read this so often - " the cinema sins fans alwas take the crizique as gospel truth, their fans are so stupid blah blah" - in fact, I nearly never see someone who tries to defend their videos as actual critisizm, as I see it, most people don't watch them for that. They watch them for the entertainment behind the obviously exxagerated stance taken. No negative energy to you, I just always see people fighting CS fans who just like the entertainment try to defend said stance AGAINST people who ACCUSE them as ignorant fans who think all of this is true, while said fans just want to explain how irrelevant the actual critique points are to them. Of course, there's 1-2 people actually defending the position you just critisized, I definitely don't agree here regarding the extent of this problem, in the way you expressed it though. Just want to leave this here as a counterweight, of course I welcome you to prove your point, in a constructive way. :)

[@ultrabigfella]

@@bryanbergmann1133 bro, people like you are the worst, asking everyone to provide long essays with sources to prove their points, but no proving any of your own beyond "I've seen comments."

[@bryanbergmann1133]

@@ultrabigfella I am not asking for a long essay in any way, I stated my opinion and welcomed him to return his, if he dislikes or disagrees with mine. If he proves his point, he shall do so constructively and if he wishes to just share his opinion, I will also have no problem with that. I didn´t say that my word must be credible to everyone, what I am sharing is my experience and that I don´t agree with him. It´s pretty simple, looking at the fact you understood so little of it. Assuming things is what people on the internet love to do, including you, as it can be seen right here. Apart from that, I am part of said community myself and hence move around in these comment sections pretty often. I do know the community pretty well and for that reason share my opinion. Takes 2 seconds for you to check if I was correct, or do you want me to quote them? Link a comment section to you? There is no good proof for that. And even if there was, "Proving your point" Is also commonly used to say - Hey, I am gonna elaborate on my point, to reinforce it´s authenticity/make it more senseful and believable. - I am not literally asking for proof here, which is the second thing you do not seem to understand. Glad I could help.

[@indeepjable]

i dont know why ubf said that but im going to try to provide a reason for it: low attention span, probably only a first-glance thought though (unsure on why they even checked this video though, its 27 minutes]

[@crimsonbat5000]

this reminds me of thebirdmans “everything wrong with cinemasins” without the lying that he’s only joking and likes cinemasins because his criticisms feel way too personal

[@shenanitims4006]

“It disconnects you from your feelings. It makes you numb.” That essentially sums up why I stopped watching their channel after seeing a few videos. I feel sorry for the CinemaSins creators, as I enjoy watching films, and while it’d be cool to make funny from watching them, I’d hate to have to watch them with the sole purpose of finding things wrong with it. Hell, I’d hate to have ANY job where the pre-requisite was either “not having fun,” or “appearing to not have fun.”

[@JulieParhelia]

Yeah, I used to like them as a teenager. I think the only reason I liked them was because some of their humor was "edgy" for my standards. After growing out of that, I quickly just got bored and gradually stopped watching. After that, when I tried picking up their content again, I just ended up getting a bad taste in my mouth. I started watching CinemaWins instead.

[@thelowestoflow5486]

It kinda is made just for fun cause when I think about a specific cinemasins vid while watching a movie I usually just shrug it off

[@shenanitims4006]

@@thelowestoflow5486 Did you watch the video here? There’s a whole bit where VideoSins go off on the pushback. Which is evidence against it just being for fun. The guys behind it are SEO pros; this is their product.

[@thelowestoflow5486]

@@shenanitims4006 ok it really is serious but I just don’t let it take over my feelings like most of the nerds in this comment section

[@jedharrington6234]

Used to watch them as a teen and kinda picked up their mindset for a bit, it absolutely ruined my enjoyment of movies for quite some time

[@scpWyatt]

21:13 this isn’t just a cool scene, either. It’s a FANTASTIC callback to when Peacemaker said he would use smaller bullets “to shoot more center” than Bloodsport.

[@gamerchair9775]

You pointing out why all the sins in the CinemaSins video about Suicide Squad (2021) were stupid actually made me want to watch the movie, even though it isn't the type of film I'd normally go see. And I love the end of the video where you say that creating emotional connections is the most important aspect of producing and watching movies. I agree wholeheartedly. Thank you very much for this video!

[@me30000]

I loved the Suicide Squad and it’s on HBO Max right now if you have that

[@gamerchair9775]

@@me30000 No, I don't, unfortunately, but I will figure out some way to watch it! Thanks for the suggestion!

[@matthewparker9276]

Yeah, you should watch it. I dislike gore flicks, but really enjoyed the suicide squad. It had charm, it had heard, and it was fucking funny.

[@paranormal17]

Yeah, I haven’t watched a superhero movie in years but now I want to see this

[@kori228]

ngl, Filmento's analysis comparing it to the old Suicide Squad was so good I decided to watch the new one myself. Pretty decent movie.

[@MvshroomBae]

When I was younger and CinemaSins videos popped up on my feed, i always felt weirdly sensitive about them. It was like i was weird for not understanding why they were criticizing so many movies, especially if it was one i personally enjoyed. This video has not only validated that feeling, but given a sort of comfort in knowing i wasn't alone in my strangeness towards that type of content! thank you, you put it into words very well :)

[@gremlinshipperontheloose2488]

I haven't watched The Suicide Squad, but that scene with Rat Catcher and her dad made me burst into tears. It's such an emotional moment, and it ties into the concept of a suicide squad that ends up being cared about by the people who looked down on them. But, it would have been so much better if she turned to her dad and said "Hey, how did we get up here? We're not Batman! DING!"

[@alexandraeagle2825]

It maks me cry every time I watch that scene. Highly reccomend the movie obviously haha

[@wrightcember]

ive never even heard of this movie before and even i audibly awwed when that scene was shown. such a good scene

[@Saru5000]

I'm sitting here crying eating breakfast after seeing that clip again.

[@kitosanimations]

I haven't watched it either but that scene was great

[@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583]

I didn't care for that character as I would have preferred if that slot was used for another og SS character

[@crackingly]

It's interesting how Cinema Wins is soo much better than Cinema Sins, there's something just so much more enjoyable about watching someone point out all the good techniques and the positive aspects of a movie rather than just nitpicking.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Do they just not touch the bad stuff, or just go about it in a more honest way?

[@Themountain6197]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat they just try to look at the positives of a movie even if it is good or bad. Ever so often they will bring up criticism but usually it's just praise for the move there sort of like anti CS they remind you of how good movies are

[@tzimiscelord8483]

I wish cinema wins had the same level of quality. It's just a literal formula rip that has slightly less production value

[@Themountain6197]

@@tzimiscelord8483 "same level of quality" As what?

[@tzimiscelord8483]

@@Themountain6197 production values and voice acting are worse than the guy they're stealing their format from.

[@dumbumbumbum8649]

Two things that really annoy me about that Suicide Squad video that didn’t get mentioned are: 1. Weasel is getting flipped off because he was bet on to survive. He just lost that guy money and all of this is present to display the lack of concern for life and prioritization of money over life which is crucial to the film’s commentary on the prison system, and 2. They completely missed that Bloodsport’s bullet going through Peacemaker’s at the end is an inversion of how Peacemaker was ribbing Bloodsport at the start, and a completion of their rivalry, proving that Bloodsport is better at what he does.

[@CamelotFW]

Yall remember when his videos were about pointing out actual mistakes in movies. A prop suddenly teleporting from one spot to another between different scenes, a camera man in the reflection of a mirror or a microphone flashing up in the corner of the screen. Now its just pointing a finger at whatever part of the movie they dont like and saying something nasty/make up some bs to validate their 'point'. It gets repetitive and boring, it's so disappointing as someone who used to thoroughly enjoy cinemasins.

[@ashetrash9534]

Not only was the bullet scene freaking AWESOME, but it was LITERALLY set up and subverted the first scene of them together when competing with the 'smaller bullets' line. God CinemaSins can really rile you up when you actually pay attention to movies.

[@I_Freya_I]

honestly my opinion of cinema sins boils down to: they take the joy out of watching movies

[@73NSH1]

You discovered why cinemasins was created and what they do to give people entertainment

[@MCFLURRYJESTER]

They do

[@marsy24-o6b]

As a writer who used to be so discouraged by channels like cinemasins, i rlly appreciate this! I started wondering if writing emotional stories was evenworthwhile if people werw just going to soullessly rip it apart. This gives me hope.

[@Edward-Not-Elric]

Woof. I definitely wouldn't be using a satirical nitpick series to decide if something is worth doing or not. That's like letting Police Acedemy affect your decision to become a cop haha.

[@chansesturm7103]

​@@Edward-Not-Elric While it definitely shouldn't be used as an objective metric, that satirical nitpick series-especially if it's as popular (or seemingly popular) and pervasive as CinemaSins is-can definitely distort one's views about what a general audience might think of one's work, particularly if @theficticion1231 was still fairly young or otherwise inexperienced as a writer when they felt discouraged by this type of content.

[@catman-du8927]

​@@Edward-Not-Elric Something being satirical doesn't mean it doesn't cause harm to the medium it is using it's satire on. Something that is as popular as CinemaSins will create copycats (there are gaming sins KZbin channels) & people who support it that think it isn't actually satire. It will create audiences who will dislike certain movies because they contain things that CinemaSins constantly nitpicks against. The issue is that CinemaSins doesn't make it clear to its viewers that it is satire. I'm actually not sure CinemaSins itself thinks it's satire & instead is just a channel that mixes jokes with actual commentary. There are a couple times in basically every recent video where they try to state what they think is an actual problem with the film (they aren't always correct).

[@derp3044]

While the entire animation industry was marveling and evolving after into the spiderverse came out, Cinemasins complained about the art style in their video. Go figure.

[@zennok]

cinemawins ftw