Bosch Launch 2023 RACE Motor… it’s REALLY FAST!!

[@ryan9149]

Personally my 2021 trek rail is pretty much spot on. Definitely don’t need more power but what I think company’s need to concentrate on is lightness. The new trek fuel is heading in the right direction but if it had the 85nm and new 720 smart Bosch battery whilst still being around 18/19kg now that would be the ultimate bike. I know where a long way off that yet but until then my trusty rail will be staying

[@robertosottocornola]

this overrun and instant power make a lot of sense on bike, for who search always tricky way uphill. The fact that you can use the power without a complete cranck rotation is the cherry on the cake once you learn to use it: no more pedal strokes on big rocky obstacles!!! Really really interesting!!!!! As usual, great video from you Rob, clear and complete explanations. Ciao!!

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Thank you! The over run is such a good feature.

[@TheAngryHusky]

The thing that stuck out to me the most is the built in overrun. I have a gen 3 levo in the shop getting a new motor right now because it started having this happen with about 700 miles on the motor. Basically when I stop pedaling the motor continues to pull for a second or 2. On my Levo it's intermittent so I have to always be ready in case it happens and it almost caused a couple of wrecks. While I see the benefits that you laid out, from my experience it's pretty dangerous.

[@lozetchells9164]

I can see the overrun being useful for clearing obstacles without pedal strikes etc, but I can also see it being a recipe for doing a faceplant into a hedge. The Brose on the Spesh does overrun too, but to a lesser extent from what it sounds. I'd be interested to hear if it's any quieter than the last gen, though. The CX is a noisy motor.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

For sure, it can be a lot to handle - which is why Bosch are positioning it for riders with some experience, it’s definitely not for beginners

[@growlith6969]

I see it as becoming more motorbike and less bike.

[@323touring]

Great video as always Rob! To be honest, I was not a big fan of Bosch with their chunky displays but they are stepping up the game recently pretty massive! Great to see engineering like ABS or this motor, it will push the whole eBike-industry.

[@TheKobool]

Sounds like a software update. The 400% and two meter assist both sounds like it should be a option on all Bosch engines

[@growlith6969]

Prob like most performance parts, it has a shorter life. Anyone who races anything understands that the race bits are more prone to break due to the nature of use, so that's prob why it's sold under a race moniker.

[@alans4281]

Thanks for actually explaining what it is unlike one of the other channels. It sounds like it would be no use to me at all on my trek city bike as my riding is all about smooth flat bike paths and stretching the battery out to over 5 hours. As I often run in eco i for one don’t need this on the bike path.

[@lewiss66]

I can't believe this extended boost could not be applyed on the actual CX performance line 2022 since It could be just a matter of software update.

[@streddaz]

Because they want you to buy a new bike😉

[@Zetler]

@@streddaz Never underestimate Bosch’s desire to rape.

[@danvalicek]

The R has different inner parts, it is also lighter than the regular CX.

[@ericm8811]

Hey Rob Rides Emtb! Thanks for providing us with this awesome first look vid! That motor and the software tune looks like well good fun! Way to go Bosch! Ride ride ride!

[@GozRS]

New Trek long travel emtb at 1:27? Slash-E or new Rail?

[@danielpatino81]

I love my 2021 trek rail 9.7 it is more than I can handle!! 👍👍👍🔥

[@easty-stage-4-fighter.]

the go to guy for new reviews, well done Rob

[@optimoespacio]

For the kind of exploring wilderness riding i do it sounds ideal, only thing I would want is a better walk mode option and I’d be in heaven!

[@miathemalinoisgsdx1320]

Iiving in the rock strewn peak district love the sound of this race mode. Might have to treat myself to a new rig next year

[@richieclarkie]

I can see the 2m extended boost being really useful. Really useful video Rob, many thanks!!

[@robertbridgman3141]

Will Bosch offer a similar type of tuning for existing motors? Or is it a combination of tuning plus different required hardware?

[@acelectricalsecurity]

If it's software related, could it not be flashed to their regular motor. Or are they banking on cashing in on riders, wanting the latest thing. I am sure that the overrun feature can be altered using the app or program cable on the bafang motors.

[@Simracing_Content]

How does the race mode on the race version of the CX compare to the normal CX smart motor with all the settings on max in the app, does it come close?

[@TheCmmdk]

So in-sted of updating the exstisting motors. We now have to buy a new bike to ger race mode… great job Bosch … or not!

[@tupamaros4306]

This "extended boost/overrun/whatever" has been an option on Specialized since day 1 on the Gen2 motors. You stop pedaling, motor keeps pulling for a bit more (this is tuned via acceleration response I believe, and is also more present in Turbo mode than in others). Also, the 400% assist with minimal rider input is basically Shuttle mode on Specialized. So, presenting all of this as something "revolutionary" just means you haven't been paying attention for a few years?

[@omnomnom1391]

Sounds like EMTB mode on steroids with a really sensitive pedal input. Never really got used to the EMTB mode, the overrun felt so unnatural, maybe I was using it wrong.

[@garri77]

Just a question Rob, Bosch has solved the performance problems of the performance gen 4 (noises, looseness, system shutdown), because regardless of being a very good engine it is also true that it gives many problems. It should be more robust and watertight since it is designed for competition. The bicycle environment is the only one that does not apply improvements from competition to the amateur sector with the passage of time, only more maintenance costs and less durability.

[@lukewalker1051]

You kind of get it. Oh, don't ask tangible questions which will never be answered. Rob is Bosche's spokesmodel champion. Only a sucker would buy a mountain bike with a Bosch, Brose or Yamaha driveline with CANBUS controller and proprietary battery. Proprietary e-bikes are a mfr money grab. Have to buy their replacement parts and 100% mark up. Batteries are small and suck because they have a 'smart chip' so you can't repair them by replacing bad cells. Don't conflate the term Race with having additional design robustness. It doesn't. This is pure marketing.

[@cliftonwarren6995]

Both Trek and Bosch are advertising it but not available? What's the purpose?

[@theearthisbread]

Cool but can ya de restrict it?

[@sean-ht7kb]

Hey Rob, great video! when’s the pole voima review coming? currently waiting for mine

[@simony2801]

How much power do you need before it best to just buy a motorbike.

[@claytonprice7833]

Thats sounds like a Specialized Levo Turbo motor with adding 40% to 60% shuttle mode.

[@Winchuff]

Is it Bosch's policy to withhold software enhancements from existing Smart System devices?

[@FlyingFun.]

I have the bafang ultra, get me up pretty much anything.

[@belgjevan91]

Can you swap out motor on a bike, or do you need to buy a whole new bike?

[@davidpearson887]

I have a 2021 trek rail 9.9 could I change to this motor

[@garnerjm1]

Noise and frequency is what it’s all about as far as I am concerned. If it still sings uphill and rattle’s “badly” downhill I ain’t investing in any motor. TQ seems to be the only one that associates MTB noiseless in the wild is what escapism is all about.

[@lukewalker1051]

You get it....but way more than noise and rattles. These drivelines are a proprietary money grab by Bosch that won't run on generic Li-Ion battery power comprised of superior 18650 or 21700 cells. Noise and rattles aka NVH are only the tip of the Bosch iceberg. Reliability and part replacement cost is the gotcha.

[@steveh7108]

Wouldn't it have been much easier just to have a little turbo button ? A simple single tap or double tap to give you a short burst or longer burst.

[@PePratiMTBRoma]

U r an inspiration for our videos:) thank u:)

[@aleszverca]

The Syncdrive Pro 2 / PW-X3 is known to be extremely sensitive/fast to react to pedal input, you would probably agree right? At least I didn't find any climb I could not start from standstill yet. How would you compare the Bosch Race mode to it?

[@LastAphelion]

What bikes use the PWX3? Google links me to articles on the motor itself but I cant find a list anywhere of what bikes actually use it

[@lukasvrana6388]

@@LastAphelion Giant use it as their software tuned version on Trance and Reign, not sure about the other models. Haibike has it as well, but their bikes for 2022 are delayed (only some prototypes, none at the market)

[@wrosslandwr8032]

I kinda feel Rob is paid to promote Bosch.the Yamaha pw-x3 motor wins over Bosh in other hill climbing tests

[@lukasvrana6388]

@@wrosslandwr8032 I think the main difference is software tunning. No hardware limitation IMHO on other motors. Just run the motor for 1.5-2s after slight pedal kick. And that's it. No construction evolution (m8 some optimalization).

[@matthewtroy9699]

Are the mounting bolts the same as the CX motor

[@jessebickle2713]

Love the videos. How did the race mode affect battery life?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Definitely had an impact - maybe 15% more drain as a guesstimate

[@philippeh1277]

iMHO this is a transition test to assess the riders acceptance before standard integration (which potential new modes settings) in the next 2025 bosch motors generation.

[@oliverbaumhofer4662]

Well, that sounds like Bosch finally found out what Yamaha is doing since years? Instant power was always claimed to be too aggressive from the Bosch fanbase. No bashing, I actually like the CX motors a lot but have decided for the Yam b/c of the fact it wants to run instantly.

[@reesmorley1329]

Are you saying it’s just software making the difference? Does that mean my existing Bosch motor could theoretically have an upgrade to this Race mode?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Pretty much, yes. Software making the biggest difference, I hope one day Bosch make it backwards compatible )I think they are worried beginners will hurt themselves - it’s super aggressive)

[@reesmorley1329]

Mate I would upgrade in a heartbeat!

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Would you consider a paid upgrade? I’ve wondered if they did a paid upgrade then it would only be the ones that really want it that get it - and exclude the beginners from accidentally updating it and getting hurt! I’ve thought that this might be a good way of doing it. I don’t want to pay a lot, maybe £10 or something, like a ‘pro pack’ update or something!

[@reesmorley1329]

@@RobRidesEMTB For sure I would. I’d pay to get more out of my motor no problem. I’d even consider a subscription model to get ongoing software upgrades. Anything that keeps me up to date without having to buy a new bike is a win for me.

[@barryholt3526]

Is this not similar to having a Brose 2.2 motor on 100% everything?

[@SingleTracker]

Are any of the bikes matching this motor up with the ABS ?

[@tommac215]

rob were is the test on your homemade bike with the bafang motor. been waiting along time for it.

[@rogerserafin]

I wonder if battery life is shorten due to the race mode of the motor....This is great idea and i'm sure other manufactures will follow soon.....

[@malanalan1]

Obviously battery life is shorten. Where do you think the extra power comes from. Frankly I don't understand people's adulation with automated drive systems. Lack of good manual motor control is major downside to the Bosh motors.

[@growlith6969]

That blurs the lines I'm afraid. I'm a huge fan of emtb, but at some point it's just not a bike anymore.

[@rayhoff-f9w]

Will this fit on gazelle eclipse with normal gears

[@sjaan7370]

At what point is 'extended overrun' no longer considered 'pedal assisted'? These are things that are just going to give regular trail users more fuel for their arguments against emtbing. Also, in my opinion the EWS-E has to start regulating these things as there has to be a level playing field and extended overrun is right on the edge of non-pedal assisted power.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

It’s at the absolute limit now. 2 metres is the maximum distance - as per EN rulings (and UCI rules too). It’s basically pushing the tech as far as possible, whilst still being fully legal, and not breaking any rules.

[@sjaan7370]

@@RobRidesEMTB Thanks for the clarification Rob. I was unaware of the 2 meter max distance. Cheers

[@RobRidesEMTB]

No probs! You’re point was very valid, and I only knew the answer as it’s one I also asked Bosch!

[@CescThe10]

Which bike are using this motor? Thanks!

[@mxengineer1]

Seems like this Race version is just an effort to match the Brose 2.2 in the Specialized models? Brose already had 410% assist and the acceleration adjustment in the Mission Control app allows the rider to tune how quickly the assist steps in (0% being the standard smooth setting and 100% being very quick jumpy response to pedal inputs). Am I correct Rob?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

The Bosch feels more powerful than the Brose to me. And more importantly, has instant motor engagement, with extremely sensitive sensors on the cranks. My Brose takes about 1/4 of a turn to fully engage - even with everything dialled up to max. The Brose feels more like a diesel and bosch like a supercharged motor

[@mxengineer1]

@@RobRidesEMTB Thanks for the detailed explanation. I ride a '21 Trek Rail 9.7 and a '22 Levo Expert - fun to ride both bikes back to back and compare motor characteristics. Sounds like Bosch has turned up the fun factor to 11!

[@johnsoli-shastawhite]

dear friend hello, i recently begin to follow you and i think that you make a great job!!!i planning to buy a 2023 ebike .do you know if there is a system that charges the battery when we brake or when we pedal ?there is a similar system on hybrid cars. your opinion is higly helpful, keep up the good work , thank you in advance!!!!

[@bobpoor6348]

I ride a Bafang M620 and it has the ability through simple UART programing to dial in overrun and is a much higher nm motor. Stock programming had alot of overrun in the middle modes and I found it to be not to my liking so I re-tuned to for no overrun and it is much better so not sure I would subscribe to this feature on the race.

[@lukewalker1051]

A Bafang M620 UART motor is far superior to anything Bosch, Brose or Yamaha offers because it is not only a lot more powerful, but replacement parts are ubiquitous and can run off much more powerful, non proprietary batteries.

[@jameslines9794]

Hi rob how comes theres been no content on any of the whyte ebikes? Im sure they are bikes with some of the most sorted geometry and weigjt distribution out there. Yet no mention that i can see

[@Dietahvr]

how is the "overrun" mode getting detected? is it a short hefty push on the pedal? can it get trigered by accident? the brose on my 2018 kenevo did always run a bit longer when i stopped pedaling and it did lead into some weird situations.

[@martinhagen2913]

The boost sounds like the Brose system on my Levo.

[@malanalan1]

Bosh is playing catch-up. Sounds like SyncDrive Pro from 2018. Jeez! We are stuck in the past.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Nothing like a syncdrive pro.

[@malanalan1]

@@RobRidesEMTB SyncDrive Pro has been known for quick power delivery and motor overrun from the beginning. It already supported 360% assist level (with 5 levels) and 80nm torque over 4 years ago. In the last two years they bumped up the max assist level to 400% and 85nm torque. The 5 levels of assistance is unique in the industry, Only recently Specialized introduced 10 step micro adjustments although what it does is not documented well. The automation modes in Bosh and other motors will never perform as good as manual controls. So yes Bosh is getting closer to SyncDrive however it still does not support 5 levels of support. Auto-modes don't count. Just to visualize to you. I can setup 80%, 160%, 240%, 320%, 400% assistance levels in SyncDrive Pro. Can Bosh do it?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Anything you want to know about the new motor let me know here!!

[@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120]

Do you think the new motor will drain the 750 battery faster than the current edition? I was going to purchase the new Pivot Shuttle LT, but after watching this, I am waiting for the 2023 models equipped with this motor. Keep up the good work, cheers!

[@RafaBezowski]

Is the noise level and characteristic the same? How did they obtain this 150g weight drop, does this weight drop if obtain by cost of durability of motor?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

@@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120 definitely will draw more battery power.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

@@RafaBezowski they looked at every single part to decide where they could save weight without compromising reliability and structural integrity. They said this is pretty much the absolute lowest weight they could get to.

[@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120]

@@RobRidesEMTB So, current Bosch motor is more energy efficient for longer rides. The new Moterra LT equipped with the current motor seems nice too

[@essexhertsmtb]

Great vid as usual - Did Bosch explain the impact on battery life? Also you mentioned its lighter? Does it fit the existing mounts... looks like it does?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Will fit existing mounts - BUT won’t be available aftermarket unfortunately. Brands can however spec it in their existing bike frames.

[@MTBEAST007]

@@RobRidesEMTB mmm, what if you break your race motor by casing it and you need a replacement?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

I’m sure there will be warranty / crash replacements via dealers - but Bosch won’t sell as a standalone aftermarket option (I’m sad about that as I want one!)

[@oci464]

Yea that’s total bs they won’t sell it alone. Seriously bs

[@oci464]

Someone needs to totally hack the system and unlock this mode. Clearly only software I bet

[@davidr6398]

Any upgrade scope rob? As in new motor old bike?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

No :-(

[@davidr6398]

Bosch maintaining their built in obsolescence ☹️

[@RobHill00]

Guessing it destroys the battery, if it’s that responsive it’s got to drain it quicker?🤔

[@themuellers5384]

Seems almost like car manufacturers coming up with new features for production vehicles or even new models just to use these in race series that require production cars as a basis. In EWS-E maybe also the case? @Rob: Which glasses are you wearing?

[@Yourfriendwasmagnificent]

Sounds similar to a Bafang M600 motor. Probably more refined though.

[@Sc0ttishking]

What is the bike at 5:32,the one on the left in front of the tree? Great looking frame.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Mondraker Crafty RR 👍

[@akaemzett]

This really looks great. This will probably be my new bike next year, I’ll pass my ‘22 Rail 9.8 XT with its weak non-race motor on to my Dad for his 73rd birthday 😊

[@mwhenry00]

I want to see someone use that pedal ratchet move in a wheelie and just ride forever!!

[@potche2424]

What's it max speed?

[@ChannelZeroOne]

Basically Bosch decided to put the speed box in their motors, but with the stupid limiter in place still. The speed box affects power delivery as well. Un modified e bike vs a non powered similar bike I am much faster. You would think the limiter being so slow on an e-bike it would kill the hate.

[@blakkpatron]

I mean it sounds like a better motor than the CX(being lighter and more powerful) so why is it a limited edition?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

I think it’ll continue for a while - no doubt it’s going to be high in demand so can’t see them stopping it

[@V8LC100]

Hey Rob, DOES IT RATTLE? Tell me they have fixed the noisey rattle on descents please mate.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Still has a very slight rattle, but no where near the original ones. They’ve refined them slightly with rolling updates - I believe they are now using helical cut gears to reduce backlash in the motor, instead of straight cut.

[@V8LC100]

@@RobRidesEMTB thx Rob - would you say it is that annoying that it would bug a new buyer, or something you just learn to live with? I've got an older CX in a Haibike and she's very loud.

[@mariusciocodan6175]

Hey Rob,great video.what brand are the white sunglasses?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Hi. 100% Glendale 👍

[@kodithebear]

So good!

[@dschingy]

It's a motor that makes me question my tolerance towards eMTB. Where does it stop to be mountainbiking anymore and it's more of an E trial motorcycle? This still enables you to ride until you're tired but at certain situations it makes it really blurry to be almost something of an motorcycle. It feels too much. I always enjoyed the way the BOSCH system felt, as it never really had a brutal nature but very powerful and very organically assisting. This sounds like a throttle actuated system where your cranks are the throttle. Good video tho. Nicely made and explained.

[@slypanda3655]

It's still nothing like a motorcycle. When you watch enduro Motorcross and enduro emtb they are worlds apart. A purpose built motorcycle would crap all over this on flats and uphill, it would also dig a far bigger trench in the mud. It doesn't blur the lines at all, having ridden both, imho they couldn't be further apart.

[@dschingy]

@@slypanda3655 I'm not talking about power output but the push this system gives you when you stop pedaling. It does start to blur the lines as bicycles weren't able to do this before. Not questioning improvements might eventually destroy the thing it wants to improve.

[@paulchambers969]

Are E cargo motors same fast as these

[@ebikesussex]

Great video! 😊

[@Mechaniclemaniac]

So silly why not just a thumb throttle or boost button?

[@FlyingFun.]

Yeah, then you actually have control. The throttle is illegal in UK though .

[@Levisgil47]

Do you know what Ebike brand will use this motor in 2023 ?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

I’d say certainly almost all brands that have a Bosch motor that compete in EWS-E

[@lewiss66]

@@RobRidesEMTB Will Cube be a pretender?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Highly likely.

[@mac001texas]

Rocky Mountain's motor has been making 108Nm and runs quieter

[@wrosslandwr8032]

108 weak nm

[@mac001texas]

@@wrosslandwr8032 lmao your comment is so dumb

[@TrevKen]

Just add a throttle already Bosch!

[@Jan_Capek]

Can it still be considered as pedal-assist bike? 🙄 Meh, they are starting to make motocross bikes from emtb. I have always dialed down assist modes even on my Levo (still no problem to use full motor power, but only when I am not easy on my cranks..). Giving me full motor power when I just slightly push to pedals in rough terrain would result in easy crash for me or not enjoing the ride at all. This motor may be better sensitive then my old Brose but still...

[@Minderzy]

What a brilliant idea... "Guys, R&D is lazy, how can we get more sales on our old motor wihout doing anything?" - Put a new 2$ sticker with "RACE" on it. - Push dumbly the cursors to the max in our locked software. - Get rid of the black paint. Yeah, the plumber pipe gray color is so trendy. - Make it a limited edition bullshit We have a Banger ! Silent motor ? Open software ? No rattle noise when descending ? Nobody cares about that ! Its a limited edition ! Sht up and take my money !

[@TheSimong69]

great vlog.

[@freedomofmotion]

So they've upgraded this thing by making it perform like a cheap hub motor controller 😂 Personally I hate it and rather have the motor match my movements. Or better yet cut that software out and control with a throttle to match my physical input precisely how I need it.

[@leandrovaranda4555]

It looks like Bosh removed all the "boring safety features" from its previous motor, and they are calling it Race 😁

[@nitraM321]

more overrun, more power, more assist, this motor is everything i don’t want. say hi to Finale if you are still there, get some ice-cream near th3 big gate :)

[@kntigoog6064]

Bafang M600 has 800% support power ;-)

[@jay8miller]

If it’s software could this technically be made backwards compatible? However unlikely that is.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

For sure. I heard that some race teams were actually using the software in the existing motors for racing.

[@brandoncheung728]

Which model are those 100% glasses at 3:33?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Glendale 👍

[@markharwood]

Anyone who believes that the race motor is not increasing the output is dreaming. We can just be thankful that the vagary of the law (how the average power output is calculated) allows the manufacturers to push the limits.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

I think this is pushing something like 800w mechanical, maybe more! It’s so punchy!

[@gvnthomas]

If it's all about the software making the difference then there's no reason Bosch couldn't do this "Race" mode with all their other motors but obviously cash is king and companies as big as Bosch will always try to steal every penny they can.

[@johnf3326]

So once again you have to buy another whole new bike?!

[@tsalesto]

Wow, sounds great. Maybe my next bike will have the race motor. If the price is acceptable, of course. I'm sure it will come with a premium.

[@8664antonio]

hello, this race motor without ABS braking?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Correct.

[@8664antonio]

@@RobRidesEMTB its like a trottle in the crank arms..?

[@playadelcarmenkiteboarding5677]

are you saying that the engine is the same but diffrence is in the software? mmmh

[@CordlezToaster]

Love it when your videos drop!

[@RobRidesEMTB]

🎉🎉thanks!

[@mikemiller4011]

Great video but please get rid of the background music, it's not needed and over rides some of the conversation.

[@seans4018]

I'm lucky to get 2hours and change with my 625watt battery. This type f thing qould kill it even faster😆. Very cool nevertheless.

[@timboha8191]

I don’t care what it does, only that it says “race” on it.

[@andrewvickers5565]

More importantly have Bosch found a way to keep the logo sticker to stuck on?!😂

[@RobRidesEMTB]

I think dried weetabix would work. That’s stuff is impossible to shift!

[@smtkelly]

So it's a software tune (on a closed system) and a questionable cover redesign. Why can't existing unit have the same software tune for free (unbias opinion ep8 here) with out voiding the warranty? It just feels like a double standard in happening in the emtb motor world where they have placed software tweaks behind a paywall or voided warranties. Its very cynical offering 'new' motors which are nothing more than software tweaks which in the past they have claimed would damage the motor. Why isn't Rob more scornful of this? IMO this is a bad look for eMTB manufacturers, far more brand loyalty/goodwill would be generated if they supported their existing motors by pushing these as free updates too all applicable users.

[@SGSAutomotive]

Rob will be only able to say what Bosch allow him to. All these reviews are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Sorry, but you’re talking absolute rubbish. Bosch have never had anything to do with what I do, or don’t say.

[@SGSAutomotive]

Hi Rob. For people who know how KZbin works may struggle to believe you.

[@smtkelly]

@@RobRidesEMTB Hey sorry Rob. I know you have freedom to express your opinions with no influence from brands. I in no way wished to see your integrity questioned. You helped me in eMTB and I really have a deep appreciation for that. The 'New' motor is interesting in how much they can change the profile of a eMTB with software settings. I just felt the killer questions (that popped into my cynical grumpy mind) weren't asked, yet I understand this a review so maybe that wasn't the time to address wider subject.

[@anto691]

Can it be chipped to be derestricted? No point having this motor if your stuck at the pathetic Euro 15.5mph

[@neilelliston]

There's always chip tuners out there

[@mackyjack3929]

Yeah it’s quite embarrassing when some kid wizzing past on a 500 quid diy job doing 35+ 😂

[@emilysona]

I see the Pole Voima teased a few times in this video. When will your viewers finally get a full review of the Voima? You will be the first to fully review this bike. There is almost no helpful information or ride impressions anywhere.

[@craigshagey9999]

Is it go work in gen 2 bikes

[@RobRidesEMTB]

No, only works with Smart System

[@craigshagey9999]

@@RobRidesEMTB older bikes just forgot about

[@Anax100]

All I want is a freewheel so I don't hit a wall at 35kph downhill