BOTH engines failed?! Ryanair go-around gone WRONG

[@JavierBonillaC]

The birds are launching their own investigation.

[@GreenDotAviation]

This is my favourite comment so far.

[@JavierBonillaC]

@@typhoontim125 Hahahaja

[@redryder1146]

@@typhoontim125 Nice I see what you did there

[@ipadize]

NTSB (NationalTransportSafetyBirds)

[@annoyingbstard9407]

Ryanair charge extra for a safe landing.

[@Kalense]

When the captain said "on est dedans" he didn't mean "we're within the airport perimeter". It's a very common phrase in vernacular French that if you said it in correct French would be "on est dans la merde", or in English, "we're fucked".

[@clofh]

LMAO

[@alan_davis]

Your translation is, and should be, "shit"

[@jupiterzombies]

basically "we are in (the shit)" 😅

[@grahamepigney8565]

The "startle effect" was one of the things that made the landing in the Hudson so much more remarkable. Sully and his co-pilot were initially accused of not taking the most appropriate action as simulator tests involved immediate action when the bird-strike occured ignoring any reaction time needed by the pilot/co-pilot to assess the situation. When the simulations included the time required to assess and deal with the situation the simulations concluded that a forced landing in the Hudson was the only reasonable result. In other words, you have to be there. Great result for the Ryanair pilots and their training.

[@dougaltolan3017]

If "ahi ahi ahi....." isn't the correct call out for a wall of birds, wtf is? 86 bird strikes!

[@JC-gw3yo]

the Hitchcock effect

[@brendadryden356]

The majority of the time, a go around is much better than forcing an unstable landing. I don't see how they can blame the captain since he made the go around decision based on his training.

[@gretchenlittle6817]

I agree -- the fact that training hadn't covered the bird strike so close to landing shouldn't be held against the crew. On a related note, I wonder what happened to the 1st Officer. I might be tempted to look into another line of work after an experience like that.

[@karol_p]

Probably poor knowledge about Birdstrikes. It is very typical that engines lose power after birdstrike. So landing here would be logical

[@Dkfrmt69420]

There was no blaming, just questioning a decision making process. That’s just part of understanding and improving safety

[@ryan1111111555555555]

Yes but you have to use your own judgement as an airman and not just blindly follow procedures, that's literally the reason why we still have humans flying, for cases like this when it's off script and needs some human troubleshooting, I would have forced a messy landing rather than taking the risk to climb out with dual engine failure, this was a bad judgement call and shouldn't be commended, but then again this is KZbin, and people give praise for just about anything these days.

[@9volt65]

“Give praise for anything these days”? Listen bud, just because your parents beat the shit out of you doesn’t mean the rest of us are as damaged.

[@sylviaelse5086]

It would be very easy to criticise from one's armchair, but absent training on what to do in the specific situation, I don't see how one can expect anyone to take the optimum path when it requires a split second decision. Aviation safety improves by increments. This is one of them. Fortunately, no one died while the lesson was learnt.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Very true.

[@MrKeserian]

@@GreenDotAviation the other important thing is that the pilot followed the advice most of us are thinking after watching these sorts of videos, "if in doubt, go around." According to his training, he did the right thing, even if it was the wrong response to the exact situation he was in. Hats off to the pilot for keeping all his passengers alive, even when was starting from behind the eight ball.

[@bjkina]

Disagree. If suspect engine damage, why try to go around when almost down ? No logic there.

[@sylviaelse5086]

@@bjkina At the point where they initiated the go-around, they didn't suspect engine damage. They were just responding to the bird strikes, and following the general rule, which is, if in doubt, go around.

[@millomweb]

@@bjkina It was a crass decision to try to fly a plane with completely unknown possible damage so close to the ground. The captain messed up the landing big time - stalling the plane in was unforgivable.

[@jez9999]

To be fair, this still was one of Ryanair's softer landings.

[@rlmross]

😂😂😂

[@bri-manhunter2654]

Savage!

[@CammieRacing]

Can you imagine them playing their silly little tune for landing after THAT landing?

[@okkcomputer]

fucks sake the same joke every time

[@filthyusratus]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sorosaltgaming]

"Ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi" ah yes, my favorite go around call out

[@tylerbrass4002]

This was great, I dont blame the pilots on this one. I think they did great, in what must have been a very stressful situation, they managed to get all their passengers off alive, with only some minor injuries. The approach wasn't stabilized before the bird strike, they were already high, and I imagine they already had the possibility of a go around in their minds. Then, sudden bird strike, further destabilizing the approach, and their training tells them "When in doubt, go around". Then, to identify the loss of thrust, and still manage to bring it back onto the runway, without an overrun (Which I am sure the extra drag from the dragging engine facilitated, but still). Just really impressive action under pressure, and I commend them for it. Great video Green Dot Aviation, I am sooo glad that you cover lesser known incidents, but I would love your take on the well known incidents/crashes as well! Keep it up bro!

[@millomweb]

I blame the captain. He should NEVER have suggested a go around after a freshly damaged aircraft.

[@BillySugger1965]

I totally agree, given the training they’d received, perfectly understandable decision. And it seems that they all walked away, which technically makes it a good landing 😉

[@andyowens5494]

Agree; with the training they (and most pilots) had, it was what they were supposed to do. Sometimes folks get lucky by spotting a flaw in the procedures or training for their particular situation, but more often if they get creative it goes worse. This time the industry was fortunate that the procedures could be revised without anyone getting killed. These are such rare events that it's almost impossible to think of and train for EVERY eventuality, but we're getting better and safer every time,

[@millomweb]

@@andyowens5494 Until the 737 MAX takes a backward step.

[@andyowens5494]

@@millomweb I'm not aware there is a 747 MAX, but thats got nothing to do with bird strikes or improving training, procedures and engineering as a result of incidents like this.

[@WhiskeyGulf71]

When i was training to drive a bus we were taught that if an animal jumps out in front you are to run it over & not to try to brake or swerve. In reality though your first response is to try to avoid running anything over so i totally understand the “startle effect”

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

I also take this approach when driving (my car in my case). Usually it's a dumb Pidgeon that stubbornly sits in the middle of the road and only decides to fly when my car is about 5 feet away. I never try to swerve or brake for them - only makes the situation worse. As it happens I have never actually run over a bird, although it has been close on a few occasions.

[@ianmatthewkline8279]

@@AnotherPointOfView944I was taught that you brake, never swerve for animals. Then I got into motorcycles and they taught that you should brake and swerve, always looking for an exit route… then about 9 years later I hit a deer on a motorcycle going too fast to do much of either. No complaints, I’m alive.

[@mlmielke]

​​​​@@AnotherPointOfView944Some animals do beg for trouble... Yes, a squirrel once ran almost right in front of my bicycle wheels once .. no, it wasn't hit, but it so easily could have been if I was going just 0.2 km/hr faster.

[@daytonagreg8765]

EXACTLY. In drivers education, my instructor said, "Run over the squirrel"". Certainly you don't seek out squirrels, but if there are other cars, humans, or trees around, keep going with minor safe adjustments as possible.

[@jonaszswietomierz8017]

What if you hit a wild boar? It's like crashing into a giant rock

[@oldetymebiker2405]

The pilot was promoted to chief pilot after finally finding landing gear limits on old planes, an investigation Ryan Air have aggressively been conducting for decades.

[@rven2166]

Nice one

[@wv_]

I feel that their quest to define these limits continues, possibly requiring a larger sample size

[@unknownname1941]

I appreciate the captain's actions.

[@mofumofutenngoku]

By stalling and crashing the aircraft? What are you talking about? Captain made all the wrong moves. Can't tell if your English sucks or your're just stupid. Maybe instead of "appreciate" you should use. "understand".

[@commerce-usa]

First time encountering the term startle effect. Certainly many people who have driven a car can relate to that. The difference being that we get much more time to react and generally will involve putting far fewer lives in peril. Had never heard of this incident, lots of good wisdom in the report. The captain didn't make the best choice knowing that by the time the engines meaningfully spool, they would already be encountering the flock. That kind of surprised me.

[@ai-d2121]

The startle effect exists. Even on slow inland barges. Like “ WTF is he doing” followed by evasive actions.

[@robintang7304]

@@ai-d2121 luckily no further disaster follow

[@FirstLastOne]

Commerce USA "Certainly many people who have driven a car can relate to that. The difference being that we get much more time to react and generally will involve putting far fewer lives in peril." Actually, as a driver on a '2D playing field', you have much less time to react when you are surrounded by traffic at a much closer range usually traveling in your direction and 180 degrees counter to it. Ask a highway coach (bus) driver with a full PAX load doing 120km/h how much time they have to react?

[@mitcho04]

@@FirstLastOne you can’t initiate any movement fast in an aircraft, up down left right, you’re travelling a quarter mile before you’ve meaningfully removed you self from current trajectory

[@willshedo]

Given on what Ive heard on some real pilots" channels here on YT the captain did what he was trained for at the time: "in case of any doubt during landing procedure, go around and give yourself time to think over and correct".

[@HDJess]

Except you don't want to go around when your engines might be inop. In this case, the safest action is to just put the aircraft down, no matter the circumstances, as you might not get a 2nd chance at landing again. I believe the Captain thought he could maneuver around the flock of birds, overlying them and avoiding bird strikes. That's maybe why he applied full thr and decided to go-around.

[@phil2782]

​@@HDJessthe engine's were still operational when he called for a go around. Calling for the go around and increasing power is what sucked even more birds in fucking the engine's up completely. They said if they didn't increase power only the fans would have been damaged and they would have been salvageable. So when he called to go around, he had functional engines, thus making it the right call at the moment. When moments later he no longer had functional engines, the right call then was to force a landing. Which he still managed to do. Whether he should have landed or gone around initially is a matter of training and procedure. He was following what his procedure and training was. So overall, I'd call it a good job on his part.

[@slifer0081]

That is not grounds for when you suffer a bird strike a couple hundred feet above the runway. It is just a general saying pilots are told from very early on in their flying career. And it is not wrong. But yeah, given that he was not really trained under that exact circumstance I suppose you could pass it off as inadequate training

[@Treasureson78RPM]

I thought it looked like a normal Ryanair landing lol Enough with the jokes, great job with the video man! I am glad to have discovered your channel.

[@GreenDotAviation]

At least this time they had birds as an excuse… And thanks!

[@abdisamadbashir1324]

@@GreenDotAviation lol ez

[@andylane247]

Yes I thought it quite soft for brianair...

[@jaykaye7025]

Ryanair landings ain't the most comfortable

[@stavrosk.2868]

I'm 59 now and have flown with many carriers. Ryanair included and I always felt completely secure and comfortable. Landings included.

[@noelmaher4633]

Valid point, the startle effect...Regardless of training, human nature and scenario will have different and variable outcomes.....

[@ClintThrust-e8r]

Agree. Captain made a gut call, it probably wasn't the best with the luxury of hindsight, there's solid reasoning there though.

[@philipbrit13]

If one encounters a bird strike in Rome the trip to ditch in the Irish Sea would be a challenge

[@liamdoherty211]

Those planes are designed to glide so making it back to Ireland would be a breeze....get it ?......breeze ! go on, laugh.

[@gungagalunga9040]

That's Ryanair's policy. Like it or lump it. It's all about cost saving.

[@The_ZeroLine]

The startle effect is easily the hardest thing to train out of pilots because, unless you’re doing it on a nearly weekly basis, it’s too instinctive to be eliminated with even monthly training (and I think they only get an annual startle refresher sim at most).

[@CocoaBeachLiving]

Really great narrative 👍you're setting higher standards for this type of video.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you!

[@TheHorrorDevotee]

@@GreenDotAviation yeah for me, it’s only you and theflightchannel that I enjoy watching

[@susand9296]

RIP birds. Glad all the humans survived.

[@andrecouture3397]

Now in the manual: when you get bird strikes, avoid saying aye aye aye 10 times

[@WayneM1961]

This is the typical damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. The aircraft had called out "minimums" which is really your final chance to go around, after which you are committed to the landing. The bird strike seem to happen maybe only a second or two after that so in theory, landing would have been the correct decision, but on hearing the Captains account of the event, it's perfectly understandable why he chose the attempted go around hence, damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

[@mofumofutenngoku]

No its not understandable. Birds = No engines = Not going around.

[@slifer0081]

Maybe it depends on company policy? I've seen planes go around after touching down during heavy crosswinds.

[@WayneM1961]

@@slifer0081 Go around because of crosswinds or wind shear is a whole different ball game then a bird strike.

[@alan_davis]

You are NOT committed to land at minimums, but you *may* be committed to a GA. Your comments suggest you don't fly.

[@WayneM1961]

@@alan_davis I am aged 62. I got my PPL when I was 21 and went on to get an IFR/IMC rating, a twin rating, and a type rating for the Cessna Citation X which I fly at least twice a year from Birmingham UK to Alicante, Spain when my Ex boss needs to do a business trip. My instructor was an ex RAF Tornado fighter pilot and taught me more than you will possibly ever know or understand. NEVER presume anything about a contributor you don't know, you can end up making yourself look very stupid, as you have in this case

[@FJVP74]

I am not a pilot, however I am an enthusiast of aviation and Green Dot, Mentour Pilot and Mini Air Crash investigation as well as Mayday the TV show are my favorite channels. It is the first time that hear about this incident and my first response was continue with the landing. Regardless training or not, the evaluation of the event would led me to continue with the landing if it was me on the command of the aircraft. This really bring to light what the training does to pilots and the way how they react. Thanks for the video and all the others previously posted.

[@plum_bit]

"I'm not a pilot, yet I would have done better". Shut up, man

[@BillySugger1965]

Great presentation and analysis, many thanks. It seems to me that the flight crew made the natural decision given their training, and that training requirements have been improved to deal with this kind of scenario.

[@pablorubio8287]

I totally agree with you. There are other idiots on this comment section acting like they are pilots who know what to do when they are just people behind a screen. The flight crew did the best they could given the dire situation they were in.

[@Mattyew]

you know what? it was a literal sh1tstorm and these pilots may have panicked but they certainly did a GREAT job overall as I'm pretty sure that plane was going to stall out of the sky no matter what. WIth the limited power they had, this was likely the best case scenario.

[@christinapaul7069]

Thanks

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you!

[@phatkid6811]

I had a similar emergency: KC-135R rolling off a right perch at night - half way around flew directly into a flock of geese. We were in a landing configuration and well within gliding distance so - after a quick analysis that we had no major failures - we continued but declared an emergency. We exited at first taxiway and did an orderly emergency group egress. It was dark and I didn't get the full report - but we did take a goose through the radome and did have other strikes. This "go-around" when in doubt is probably correct under normal circumstances - but if stable on short final - even with failing engines - your best bet would be to continue the landing. A retraction to less than full flaps (not sure of 737) would allow a safe glide and trying to go around with potentially failing engines and other HEFOE systems away from the airfield is risky. Unless a sim told me otherwise - on short final I would have continued and if thrust deficient configured for less drag.

[@ReiMiiz]

Great review! glad youtube recommended me this.

[@L33tSkE3t]

It’s kind of like a reverse version of “The Miracle on the Hudson,” with them landing and Sully taking off and then having to ditch his Airbus A320 in the Hudson River.

[@ryanvandoren1519]

Wow the pucker factor on the final bank left must've been immense. I'm amazed the airframe withstood the impact.

[@Emobunneh]

🥺 I've never heard the phrase pucker factor, and now that I've read this I'm afraid I'll never get it completely out of my head. 😔

[@olivercharles2930]

The Pucker Factor sounds like a raunchy rip-off of The X Factor.

[@noob.168]

People complain about pilot strikes, but not enough about bird strikes. double standards huh

[@douglas1306]

captain did all he could given the training and situation. Got everyone home alive and that's what is most important.

[@Macintoshiba]

Smoothest Ryanair landing ever recorded. All jokes aside, impressive work, this could easily have been a fatal crash.

[@sierrabravo7156]

The pilot did well to land, considering what happened. A pity the plane was a write-off - I hope Ryanair were up to date with their insurance payments!

[@aviationandgaming11]

i really enjoyed this video well done mate great job

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed

[@andreypetrov4868]

Usually I criticize pilots but in this case I don't think that the Captain did anything wrong. If in doubt, do go around - this rule saved hundreds of aircraft and dozens of thousands lives.

[@morzee94]

Ryanair may have a poor reputation for customer service, but it’s worth mentioning that their safety record is impeccable. The simulator training they implemented after this incident sounds very effective. Did every airline implement the same thing?

[@andrzej3511]

In order for the pilot to react precisely and flawlessly, such situations must be trained on simulators DOZENS, and maybe even hundreds of times in various circumstances. Being completely surprised and actually UNREADY, he acted as the procedures and his own experience and assessment of the situation dictated. It should be noted that he landed this machine safely on the runway after all!!!! He turned out to be a pilot who in rapidly changing circumstances got out of a very serious predicament!!!! RESPECT! For me, the only right conclusion is to make simulator training MANDATORY in such circumstances. There is no other way!

[@rwb_gary6355]

Just found this page a week ago and been watching a lot. And a few hours ago we just had a major incident here at Tokyo Haneda Airport where a plane hit a coast guard plane heading towards yesterday’s earthquake on the west coast. Apparently 5 coast guard were killed but the pilot and everyone on the passenger plane survived. 💔

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

...which is a hell of a lot more sophisticated and nuanced than "if in doubt, go around". I mean this was only 15 years ago, we're not talking about the 1960s or 70s - and given that birds live at low altitudes (ie where take-offs and landings occur) - I would have thought that event would have already been understood as a risk, the processes both of the likely human responses - surprise, confusion, fear etc - and the countermeasures to handle or mitigate the consequences of such upsets trained for, already decades ago. I find it rather difficult to process that still in the late naughties a double engine failure had not already been considered likely enough especially given the greatly increased risk associated with the low altitudes....

[@jefferysterner]

The problem with "when in doubt, go around" is that in reality it's "when in doubt, go around (unless you might lose engine power, or you have lost flight control, or this or that or the other thing". I feel like this pilot let the training override a natural instinct when you are that close to the ground to just take it down as planned birds or no birds. Training is crucial, but training should also include how to incorporate instinct.

[@RobinhooodGFX]

Great video

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@virginiaviola5097]

It’s Ryanair...I bet the passengers just thought it was a normal landing.

[@reno9k]

haha this is funny because it's a budget airline lol :)

[@alyonavam9040]

I think what has added to the pilots startle is the fact that he let 1st officer manually fly the plane. He may have made a different decision was he the one flying

[@Steveman61]

The same old blues. Investigators had at least three weeks time to think about what had been a better option. The flight crew had less than ten seconds. They also found the pilots have not been trained on birdstrikes on short final or even very close before touch down. So why did they blame him for the go-around he did based on his training?

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

You don’t really understand the point of accident investigation, it’s to try to learn what could have been done better to avoid the same accident happening again.

[@treyn8070]

It seems like a pretty normal Ryanair landing to me.🤣🤣🤣

[@jonasbaine3538]

Outstanding landing gear to handle that fpm impact

[@Quasihamster]

Bottom line: If you're on a plane with a dark blue underside, stay away from birds. Don't even order the chicken and make sure your seat neighbour won't either.

[@MrArgus11111]

I like how "get rid of the damn birds from the vicinity of airports" was not mentioned as a solution.

[@mallninja9805]

Just post a platoon of scarecrows around the runway 🤣

[@Commentator541]

People complain about ryan air landings, but it’s not the airline, it’s the plane. This is why wizz has such soft landings.A320 has a much longer travel of the landing gear and can absorb more energy at landing, meaning it will not be as „rough“ as a 737.

[@marybarry2230]

“Ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi!” This is not a standard call out . Oh, it is if you’re going to crash!!!

[@squareeyedgit]

It's interesting, I decided to watch your videos from oldest to newest, so this is the second in the list so far. The big difference I'm finding in these earlier videos is the sound balance. In this and the previous video, your voice is too quiet compared to the music, and the music itself is, in my opinion, too busy to work as a background. I'm not saying the music is bad by any means, but it's got too much in the way of melody (and sometimes too much of a percussive timbre), and this combined with the volume balance means that it is difficult to focus on the narration. The video looks as good as anything you've done - consistently high quality - and the script is fine too, but it's interesting to me that as time's gone on you've made a decision to use more 'ambient' music and put your voice louder, and this has made all the difference. Good work!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Very well noticed! This kind of stuff just comes with practice. I’m glad you agree there’s been an improvement :)

[@squareeyedgit]

@@GreenDotAviation Absolutely! You shuld be justifably proud, your videos are very well made. I am compelled to watch and listen, even though the subject matter routinely terrifies me!

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

Poor birds Today just had a dove fly frantically getting away from a hawk and try to land next to me for protection. Poor thing was so stressed it immediately keeled over. Our birds deserve better 😢

[@catherinetester8365]

Been into that airport 100's of times...those Eyetalian bird are crazy!!! Seriously, great video and TG it wasn't much worse. Every incident reveals more that can keep us all safe.

[@CodingAbroad]

I think they threw the pilot under the bus on this one. Them saying he was startled is pretty degrading considering his experience. He gave legit reasons due to the weight of the plane and I think any reasonable person would have said if in doubt try again. Disgusting behaviour on part of the investigation

[@alexm5764]

Bird strike usually equals engine failure, my mind was boggled why he tried to go around with no engines

[@sunshine7453]

There is too little or not enough time to react. So landing thru the birds is the most safely and cost effective. This is definitely not from the bird point of view. They have their own assessment.

[@samomuransky4455]

Thanks for the video. This is extremely interesting incident, yet it's the first time I'm hearing about it.

[@lost4468yt]

"100, 50, FOURTY THIRTY TEN" - I'll take things you don't want to hear for $100

[@robtrunley]

Wow difficult one this ! But Minimums "was called" 145 knots there is a commitment right there! then 200 ft is called, surly that would be a continuation of the landing anyway, as thrust would be little to maintain 143 knots adding inertia into the glide slope "if not a little high" maintained. With the flight so well fully configured for landing, then the bird strike a master caution at I'm guessing that then the plane would be 140 feet ish from the runway, the engines would of taken too much time to spool up to gain altitude on Toga "Take Off Go Around" then dropping flaps costs lift at slow speed 40 to even 15 to soon, she's almost landing anyway, touchdown is inevitable, if it did touchdown then take off like a touch and go "no spoilers, any auto brakes are off the cards too" Absolute credit to the pilots, for sticking to procedure, CRM sounds great, C/p to Captain to fly, nice. Listen man I'm not the best person to comment as I stopped my 3 ton Range Rover Sport in a back lane the other day as there was a Pigeon in the road, so all the above a little hypercritical! I think all pilots could / should be put through all other pilots nightmare flights, well the recoverable ones anyway, hey GDA grab Peter and Kelsey, and see how they do in the flight sim, hey they got Tom Scott, to have ago, although he crashed as perfectly good plane, I didn't have the heart to say Peter "Mentour Pilot" told you Tom you needed a little more thrust for the landing Config, "he throttled back WTF" Get QXIR involved he is a not so kind when people F U ! if you know what I mean sir, and he's from your neck of the woods so cool, he is super honest and a little bit or sarcastic B45T4RD "love That" what a colab "Merry Christmas" I think 2 likes on this comments you should make it happen lol......

[@Emobunneh]

I know some are giving the pilot shït and saying even without flight experience they somehow would have made the right choice (incomprehensible to me that they are convinced they'd be infallible making these decisions lol), but I think people should actually be giving some credit for the pilot's reasoning for his decision, even if it did turn out to be the wrong decision in the end. If the strikes had ended up being where he thought it could have been more of a problem than actually doing the go around, and given the training he had to deal with this situation was lacking he seems to have done the best he could with the information he had. Making an informed (whether ill-informed or not) decision while unexpectedly having to take over controls and initiate the go around takes skill to begin with.

[@antonclark3420]

Mike O’Leary later charged the passengers extra for the Adrenalin rush on landing…

[@patriciaramsey5294]

One of your best 👍

[@grantlandking4361]

you are the best green dot..

[@Titot182]

"Ensuring that the parameters for a stable approach" - Must be a diligent captain

[@DA-qn1tf]

I did my PPL in Belgium with Mr Colson. Great guy to know

[@allnighter2011]

I think it was a combination of being startled and also his decision to have his co-pilot under training do the landing... my guess if he was flying the plane at the time of the bird strike he would be in less panic and handle it better... in any case, when you are close to landing, if something went wrong, you really don't have much room or time to do much.

[@thomaskoss7477]

The pilot didn't really do anything wrong. "If in doubt, go around" is something he learned and trained for. Can't blame him. Nonetheless now they know better.

[@SFSPerseverance69420]

I swear the CFM 56's N1 spinning at more than 100% is the scariest sound ever but its also kinda nice

[@deriderex]

Whats important here is the crew made the right choice and landed the way they did saving the all lives on board. Who knows what would have happened if they attempted to try another approach. Good job pilots and crew.

[@JohnRonson88]

One thing not talked about is the importance of the state of mind of the captain prior to the landing. There’s a well known psychological effect called fixation that affects pilot decision making. Usually the pilot fixates on landing which results in them making a landing when it’s not safe to do so. In this case the captain was supervising an inexperienced first officer. I feel it was likely at the front of his mind that if there’s anything he doesn’t like about the first officers approach he’ll call for a go around. That meant that when they suddenly encountered the birds he jumped to that preeatablished plan to go around, regardless of what the logical solution may have been in the moment. He was likely fixated on the idea of going around before the incident happened.

[@Taerin74]

Aviation people generally go to a go-around first because it is the way they are trained honestly I would want that as a passenger. I don't think they did anything wrong.

[@Brex806]

If I keep watching this type of video, I'll never fly again.

[@harveysmith100]

The captain shouldn't be blamed at all. It was an instinct reaction. All his career he has reacted to miss bird strikes. To do nothing and fly through them goes against instinct so is such a difficult thing to do. Add to that they are in the most critical phase of flight and I think most would do the same.

[@asetatlikalem]

probably the worst plane incident ryanair had

[@alantorrance6153]

To me, as a low hours Commercial Pilot, it seems pretty obvious that a bird strike at relatively low altitude, where minimum power would be needed to maintain an almost "glide approach" would be preferable to risking major engine damage and malfunction through initiating a go-around, and thereby possibly creating a major malfunction and possibly a crash. It must be remembered that taxiing through the distant boundary (all other physical factors being equal) is better than flying through the nearest boundary. This is a point I recall being advised in early training.

[@Mutineer9]

My guess that a component of Capitan reaction was distrust to first officer flying ability.

[@juliusklugi7430]

If you ever made it to line training, I wonder if you kept that ‘pretty obvious’ attitude for long…

[@MinutePlant]

They need to be calm like when tram drivers nonchalantly hit cars that got on the track, lol

[@dmitrieverett4800]

Friend, how to include birds in X-Plane 11?

[@GreenDotAviation]

It’s counted as a “Failure” just like an engine failure etc. So go to the failure menu tab and you should find it there.

[@dannyhammonds2852]

The ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi wasn’t the captain, one of the seagulls got in the cockpit 🤣👍

[@manyshnooks]

It's hard to fault the captain when it's drummed into you that anything that destabilizes the approach or causes the PIC to lose confidence it can be executed should be triggers to hit the toga and execute a go around. It is very easy to criticize the actions of the crew from a lounge chair, but I can understand the almost automatic response from the pic to go around following *any* incident that causes doubt re execution of a safe landing. Would it have been prudent to continue the approach in these circumstances specifically? Yes. Is it unreasonable he attempted to go around, considering training emphasizes having "another bite at the apple" rather than trying to salvage an approach you've lost confidence in - no.

[@millomweb]

They were lucky the plane didn't fly on - you'd have been in severe fatality territory. Flying through birds at that altitude while landing, makes landing the only sensible option.

[@manyshnooks]

@@millomweb This is a training deficiency. It's easy to sit here and say they're in a low energy state, practically on the ground - and you've just had severe engine damage, so yeah, from a logical perspective it seems obvious to continue the landing. But training is so repetitive it would have been almost a reflex to just call it unstabilized and go around without intellectually considering it.

[@millomweb]

@@manyshnooks "It's easy to sit here" It's what the trainer should have done. Sat there and decided optimum actions re a bird strike (or engine failure (e.g. British Airways)) when landing - and trained for that.

[@robintang7304]

@@millomweb if that's forms a general opinions among experience pilots and trainers yet it can't be concluded bec situation happen at particular time only the person there knows best. Just my opinion.over to you guys

[@millomweb]

@@robintang7304 Bird strikes and engine failures are known risks. Therefore they should be planned for at the desk stage, not in the air.

[@DanceBeforeTheStorm_]

The startle effect is one of my biggest fear when driving. I've no idea how I'd react to sudden and unforeseen events. 😬

[@Halinspark]

I usually have just long enough to think "Aw feck." and then drive into the thing suddenly in the road at speed.

[@Beobout6]

Birds are so Inconsiderate.

[@GreenDotAviation]

The asteroid wasn't thorough enough.

[@derrellthomas239]

Yeah, they think they rule the sky. 😁

[@pop5678eye]

Hindsight is 20/20. I bet a majority of pilots at the time in the same stressful situation would also have initiated the go-around. These pilots should not be faulted but praised for still managing to save the lives of everyone on board in split-second decisions.

[@mofumofutenngoku]

His "split second decisions" stalled and crashed the plane. He never put the nose down. I don't think he ever realized he couldn't go around.

[@calfencer]

I flew that airline to that airport in 2006. Hardest landing 🛬 any flight I ever experienced.

[@palopo-t3v]

So you must have landed not many times. There's no reason to believe Ryanair landings are different than any other 737 operator.

[@calfencer]

@@palopo-t3v I fly every 3 months for 15 years. It was still the hardest landing ever.

[@palopo-t3v]

@@calfencer Must have been a coincidence. The way passengers judge landings is not the same pilots judge landings. Landing on a short sloped wet runway in windy conditions has different requirements than landing on a 4Km runway on a sunny calm wind day. There's just absolutely no reason to think Ryanair lands the airplane any different than the other airlines. The pilots come from the same flight schools and most have flown in other companies. Also the training in Ryanair is known for being top notch in the industry.

[@pjaypender1009]

There's really nothing bad about a very firm landing. Better to land firmly than float halfway down the runway and run out of runway before you stop.

[@crohr1000]

It's really tricky decision. I had similar accident... I was just about to touch down, just steam off my speed before touch down and was like 5ft above ground ready for smooth landing.. Suddenly freaking DEER jumps in front of me and i had like 1sec to react, I new 100% I was gonna hit it and didn't apply any power, I had full flaps and idel power. I just lift a nose quick not to strike it with a prop and front wheel and manage to strike it with aft main gear. And i should mention it was little different plane (C172)

[@tumslucks9781]

Cess-nah... 🛩️........🦌

[@pjaypender1009]

Unless it was someone's Valentine you hit, pretty sure you meant a deer not a dear.

[@crohr1000]

@@pjaypender1009 haha yea

[@carow7135]

⁠@@pjaypender1009you made me snort, which is a win xD have a like

[@meversusme7728]

Thanks for the video.

[@232K7]

86 bird strikes!! Thats absolutely insane

[@18Ram]

it's their own 9-11

[@radioace318la]

It appears to me the captain did the only thing that saved everyone on board. Sure it's easy to sit here and Monday Morning the situation. but a go-around was out of the question. when life serves lemons, make lemonade.

[@mofumofutenngoku]

What the fuck do you mean the only thing? He couldn't have made this crash worse. No decision he made helped him. If he continued to carry out the landing normally the engines would likely have not been severely damaged, and he could have landed fine. He literally made all the wrong choices. He wanted to go around after hitting the birds only seconds before landing, so he put the engines at go around power, getting the birds sucked deep inside damaging them. Even after not getting thrust he never lowered the nose. Each one of those decisions was wrong. The result is he stalled and crashed.

[@flightandfind]

The fact that Ryanair did a go around is exeptional by itself XD

[@dodoubleg2356]

Wait, I thought the bird strike occurred AFTER the captain ordered the go-around, in which case the pilots should be absolved of any wrong doing?? The captain felt the approach wasn't stabilized, he orders a go-around, then they hit birds. What am I missing? 🤔

[@neonblurb]

My view: The captain ordered the go-around before the bird strike, but when the obstacle of the 'cloud' of birds became visible and unavoidable. From that point the pilots had to accept that the bird stike would happen, so their reactions should be considered from that point onwards. Although the bird strike had not yet happened, the captain knew that it would - and it would appear that he reacted instinctively (and at least to some extent in line with his training of 'if in doubt, go around') in taking the controls and initiating the go-around. FWIW, I don't think that these investigations are intended to assign any wrong doing to the pilots but to consider what can be learnt so that these events play out differently in future. It would be interesting to have heard the junior FO's testimony also: did he agree with the Captain's decision to go around? What were his thoughts on the event?

[@peterdurnien9084]

What was the bird controller doing at the time?

[@hishamjaber3]

What the flock man. Everyone survived except for the angry birds.

[@wcharliewilson7004]

"Why didn't you just land instead of a 'go-around?' Uhhhhhhhhhh,.... Guinness?

[@XavierAway]

4:40 meaning the aircraft hit the runway at a vertical speed of 11mph if anyone’s wondering

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

What’s that in feet per minute?

[@mahogany3947]

At least they put it down on the runway I give them props for that did a fantastic job

[@mrdraw2087]

The explanation of the captain to do that go-around made no sense. They knew beforehand that the runway was short and they had a tailwind. When the engines are ingesting birds, the only sane thing is to land that plane as soon as possible.

[@jayrandolph9328]

Fift-Fourt-Thirty..TEN...OUCH! That was one hell of a belly flop. Bless the folks that made that plane, she was STURDY!

[@gregdetwiler9220]

Really tough call. I may have done the same.

[@himssendol6512]

An example of Go around gone wrong is the pia crash in karachi.

[@ExploderIlu]

The “ahi ahi ahi ahi” should be spelled “aïe aïe aïe” and its french for like “auch auch auch” which french people tend to say when something bad is inevitable going to happen infront of them so it was just instict from the captains side

[@derrainerwinkl3r]

Just by the fpm that was a pretty usual ryanair landing