BOTH engines failed?! Ryanair go-around gone WRONG

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On the morning of November 10th, 2008, a Ryanair 737-800 crash landed at Rome’s Ciampino airport in Italy. The Captain came under scrutiny for trying to go-around, but he defended his decision. What should he have done? This video investigates.
This video uses findings from the official accident report to recreate the series of events that led to the crash.
Background music (all licensed through Epidemic Sound):
Displaced - Robert Ruth
Risk-takers United - Claude Signet
Leave no stone unturned - Dream Cave
Quietly Tense - Marten Moses
Entering multiverse - Christian Andersen
Aircraft simulation
Zibo 737-800 for X-Plane 11
Photos
Accident report (English translation): www.ansv.it/cgi-bin/ita/Repor...
BA 777 image By Marc-Antony Payne - Via email, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...
00:00 Intro
00:36 Flight background
01:25 Descent and landing
02:37 Crash sequence and review
05:06 Aftermath and investigation
07:46 “Startle Effect”

[@JavierBonillaC]

The birds are launching their own investigation.

[@GreenDotAviation]

This is my favourite comment so far.

[@JavierBonillaC]

@@typhoontim125 Hahahaja

[@redryder1146]

@@typhoontim125 Nice I see what you did there

[@ipadize]

NTSB (NationalTransportSafetyBirds)

[@annoyingbstard9407]

Ryanair charge extra for a safe landing.

[@Kalense]

When the captain said "on est dedans" he didn't mean "we're within the airport perimeter". It's a very common phrase in vernacular French that if you said it in correct French would be "on est dans la merde", or in English, "we're fucked".

[@clofh]

LMAO

[@alan_davis]

Your translation is, and should be, "shit"

[@kyriosity-at-github]

Merci beaucoup for a great lesson of French!

[@jupiterzombies]

basically "we are in (the shit)" 😅

[@dougaltolan3017]

If "ahi ahi ahi....." isn't the correct call out for a wall of birds, wtf is? 86 bird strikes!

[@brendadryden356]

The majority of the time, a go around is much better than forcing an unstable landing. I don't see how they can blame the captain since he made the go around decision based on his training.

[@gretchenlittle6817]

I agree -- the fact that training hadn't covered the bird strike so close to landing shouldn't be held against the crew. On a related note, I wonder what happened to the 1st Officer. I might be tempted to look into another line of work after an experience like that.

[@karol_p]

Probably poor knowledge about Birdstrikes. It is very typical that engines lose power after birdstrike. So landing here would be logical

[@Dkfrmt69420]

There was no blaming, just questioning a decision making process. That’s just part of understanding and improving safety

[@ryan1111111555555555]

Yes but you have to use your own judgement as an airman and not just blindly follow procedures, that's literally the reason why we still have humans flying, for cases like this when it's off script and needs some human troubleshooting, I would have forced a messy landing rather than taking the risk to climb out with dual engine failure, this was a bad judgement call and shouldn't be commended, but then again this is KZbin, and people give praise for just about anything these days.

[@9volt65]

“Give praise for anything these days”? Listen bud, just because your parents beat the shit out of you doesn’t mean the rest of us are as damaged.

[@jez9999]

To be fair, this still was one of Ryanair's softer landings.

[@rlmross]

😂😂😂

[@bri-manhunter2654]

Savage!

[@CammieRacing]

Can you imagine them playing their silly little tune for landing after THAT landing?

[@okkcomputer]

fucks sake the same joke every time

[@filthyusratus]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@grahamepigney8565]

The "startle effect" was one of the things that made the landing in the Hudson so much more remarkable. Sully and his co-pilot were initially accused of not taking the most appropriate action as simulator tests involved immediate action when the bird-strike occured ignoring any reaction time needed by the pilot/co-pilot to assess the situation. When the simulations included the time required to assess and deal with the situation the simulations concluded that a forced landing in the Hudson was the only reasonable result. In other words, you have to be there. Great result for the Ryanair pilots and their training.

[@sylviaelse5086]

It would be very easy to criticise from one's armchair, but absent training on what to do in the specific situation, I don't see how one can expect anyone to take the optimum path when it requires a split second decision. Aviation safety improves by increments. This is one of them. Fortunately, no one died while the lesson was learnt.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Very true.

[@MrKeserian]

@@GreenDotAviation the other important thing is that the pilot followed the advice most of us are thinking after watching these sorts of videos, "if in doubt, go around." According to his training, he did the right thing, even if it was the wrong response to the exact situation he was in. Hats off to the pilot for keeping all his passengers alive, even when was starting from behind the eight ball.

[@bjkina]

Disagree. If suspect engine damage, why try to go around when almost down ? No logic there.

[@sylviaelse5086]

@@bjkina At the point where they initiated the go-around, they didn't suspect engine damage. They were just responding to the bird strikes, and following the general rule, which is, if in doubt, go around.

[@millomweb]

@@bjkina It was a crass decision to try to fly a plane with completely unknown possible damage so close to the ground. The captain messed up the landing big time - stalling the plane in was unforgivable.

[@sorosaltgaming]

"Ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi" ah yes, my favorite go around call out

[@tylerbrass4002]

This was great, I dont blame the pilots on this one. I think they did great, in what must have been a very stressful situation, they managed to get all their passengers off alive, with only some minor injuries. The approach wasn't stabilized before the bird strike, they were already high, and I imagine they already had the possibility of a go around in their minds. Then, sudden bird strike, further destabilizing the approach, and their training tells them "When in doubt, go around". Then, to identify the loss of thrust, and still manage to bring it back onto the runway, without an overrun (Which I am sure the extra drag from the dragging engine facilitated, but still). Just really impressive action under pressure, and I commend them for it. Great video Green Dot Aviation, I am sooo glad that you cover lesser known incidents, but I would love your take on the well known incidents/crashes as well! Keep it up bro!

[@millomweb]

I blame the captain. He should NEVER have suggested a go around after a freshly damaged aircraft.

[@BillySugger1965]

I totally agree, given the training they’d received, perfectly understandable decision. And it seems that they all walked away, which technically makes it a good landing 😉

[@andyowens5494]

Agree; with the training they (and most pilots) had, it was what they were supposed to do. Sometimes folks get lucky by spotting a flaw in the procedures or training for their particular situation, but more often if they get creative it goes worse. This time the industry was fortunate that the procedures could be revised without anyone getting killed. These are such rare events that it's almost impossible to think of and train for EVERY eventuality, but we're getting better and safer every time,

[@millomweb]

@@andyowens5494 Until the 737 MAX takes a backward step.

[@andyowens5494]

@@millomweb I'm not aware there is a 747 MAX, but thats got nothing to do with bird strikes or improving training, procedures and engineering as a result of incidents like this.

[@WhiskeyGulf71]

When i was training to drive a bus we were taught that if an animal jumps out in front you are to run it over & not to try to brake or swerve. In reality though your first response is to try to avoid running anything over so i totally understand the “startle effect”

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

I also take this approach when driving (my car in my case). Usually it's a dumb Pidgeon that stubbornly sits in the middle of the road and only decides to fly when my car is about 5 feet away. I never try to swerve or brake for them - only makes the situation worse. As it happens I have never actually run over a bird, although it has been close on a few occasions.

[@ianmatthewkline8279]

@@AnotherPointOfView944I was taught that you brake, never swerve for animals. Then I got into motorcycles and they taught that you should brake and swerve, always looking for an exit route… then about 9 years later I hit a deer on a motorcycle going too fast to do much of either. No complaints, I’m alive.

[@mlmielke]

​​​​@@AnotherPointOfView944Some animals do beg for trouble... Yes, a squirrel once ran almost right in front of my bicycle wheels once .. no, it wasn't hit, but it so easily could have been if I was going just 0.2 km/hr faster.

[@daytonagreg8765]

EXACTLY. In drivers education, my instructor said, "Run over the squirrel"". Certainly you don't seek out squirrels, but if there are other cars, humans, or trees around, keep going with minor safe adjustments as possible.

[@Treasureson78RPM]

I thought it looked like a normal Ryanair landing lol Enough with the jokes, great job with the video man! I am glad to have discovered your channel.

[@GreenDotAviation]

At least this time they had birds as an excuse… And thanks!

[@abdisamadbashir1324]

@@GreenDotAviation lol ez

[@andylane247]

Yes I thought it quite soft for brianair...

[@jaykaye7025]

Ryanair landings ain't the most comfortable

[@stavrosk.2868]

I'm 59 now and have flown with many carriers. Ryanair included and I always felt completely secure and comfortable. Landings included.

[@unknownname1941]

I appreciate the captain's actions.

[@nightshade8958]

By stalling and crashing the aircraft? What are you talking about? Captain made all the wrong moves. Can't tell if your English sucks or your're just stupid. Maybe instead of "appreciate" you should use. "understand".

[@philipbrit13]

If one encounters a bird strike in Rome the trip to ditch in the Irish Sea would be a challenge

[@liamdoherty211]

Those planes are designed to glide so making it back to Ireland would be a breeze....get it ?......breeze ! go on, laugh.

[@gungagalunga9040]

That's Ryanair's policy. Like it or lump it. It's all about cost saving.

[@willshedo]

Given on what Ive heard on some real pilots" channels here on YT the captain did what he was trained for at the time: "in case of any doubt during landing procedure, go around and give yourself time to think over and correct".

[@HDJess]

Except you don't want to go around when your engines might be inop. In this case, the safest action is to just put the aircraft down, no matter the circumstances, as you might not get a 2nd chance at landing again. I believe the Captain thought he could maneuver around the flock of birds, overlying them and avoiding bird strikes. That's maybe why he applied full thr and decided to go-around.

[@phil2782]

​@@HDJessthe engine's were still operational when he called for a go around. Calling for the go around and increasing power is what sucked even more birds in fucking the engine's up completely. They said if they didn't increase power only the fans would have been damaged and they would have been salvageable. So when he called to go around, he had functional engines, thus making it the right call at the moment. When moments later he no longer had functional engines, the right call then was to force a landing. Which he still managed to do. Whether he should have landed or gone around initially is a matter of training and procedure. He was following what his procedure and training was. So overall, I'd call it a good job on his part.

[@slifer0081]

That is not grounds for when you suffer a bird strike a couple hundred feet above the runway. It is just a general saying pilots are told from very early on in their flying career. And it is not wrong. But yeah, given that he was not really trained under that exact circumstance I suppose you could pass it off as inadequate training

[@oldetymebiker2405]

The pilot was promoted to chief pilot after finally finding landing gear limits on old planes, an investigation Ryan Air have aggressively been conducting for decades.

[@rven2166]

Nice one

[@wv_]

I feel that their quest to define these limits continues, possibly requiring a larger sample size

[@commerce-usa]

First time encountering the term startle effect. Certainly many people who have driven a car can relate to that. The difference being that we get much more time to react and generally will involve putting far fewer lives in peril. Had never heard of this incident, lots of good wisdom in the report. The captain didn't make the best choice knowing that by the time the engines meaningfully spool, they would already be encountering the flock. That kind of surprised me.

[@ai-d2121]

The startle effect exists. Even on slow inland barges. Like “ WTF is he doing” followed by evasive actions.

[@robintang7304]

@@ai-d2121 luckily no further disaster follow

[@FirstLastOne]

Commerce USA "Certainly many people who have driven a car can relate to that. The difference being that we get much more time to react and generally will involve putting far fewer lives in peril." Actually, as a driver on a '2D playing field', you have much less time to react when you are surrounded by traffic at a much closer range usually traveling in your direction and 180 degrees counter to it. Ask a highway coach (bus) driver with a full PAX load doing 120km/h how much time they have to react?

[@mitcho04]

@@FirstLastOne you can’t initiate any movement fast in an aircraft, up down left right, you’re travelling a quarter mile before you’ve meaningfully removed you self from current trajectory

[@noelmaher4633]

Valid point, the startle effect...Regardless of training, human nature and scenario will have different and variable outcomes.....

[@exiletsj2570]

Agree. Captain made a gut call, it probably wasn't the best with the luxury of hindsight, there's solid reasoning there though.

[@The_ZeroLine]

The startle effect is easily the hardest thing to train out of pilots because, unless you’re doing it on a nearly weekly basis, it’s too instinctive to be eliminated with even monthly training (and I think they only get an annual startle refresher sim at most).

[@susand9296]

RIP birds. Glad all the humans survived.

[@Mattyew]

you know what? it was a literal sh1tstorm and these pilots may have panicked but they certainly did a GREAT job overall as I'm pretty sure that plane was going to stall out of the sky no matter what. WIth the limited power they had, this was likely the best case scenario.

[@WayneM1961]

This is the typical damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. The aircraft had called out "minimums" which is really your final chance to go around, after which you are committed to the landing. The bird strike seem to happen maybe only a second or two after that so in theory, landing would have been the correct decision, but on hearing the Captains account of the event, it's perfectly understandable why he chose the attempted go around hence, damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

[@nightshade8958]

No its not understandable. Birds = No engines = Not going around.

[@slifer0081]

Maybe it depends on company policy? I've seen planes go around after touching down during heavy crosswinds.

[@WayneM1961]

@@slifer0081 Go around because of crosswinds or wind shear is a whole different ball game then a bird strike.

[@alan_davis]

You are NOT committed to land at minimums, but you *may* be committed to a GA. Your comments suggest you don't fly.

[@WayneM1961]

@@alan_davis I am aged 62. I got my PPL when I was 21 and went on to get an IFR/IMC rating, a twin rating, and a type rating for the Cessna Citation X which I fly at least twice a year from Birmingham UK to Alicante, Spain when my Ex boss needs to do a business trip. My instructor was an ex RAF Tornado fighter pilot and taught me more than you will possibly ever know or understand. NEVER presume anything about a contributor you don't know, you can end up making yourself look very stupid, as you have in this case

[@douglas1306]

captain did all he could given the training and situation. Got everyone home alive and that's what is most important.

[@CocoaBeachLiving]

Really great narrative 👍you're setting higher standards for this type of video.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you!

[@TheHorrorDevotee]

@@GreenDotAviation yeah for me, it’s only you and theflightchannel that I enjoy watching

[@ryanvandoren1519]

Wow the pucker factor on the final bank left must've been immense. I'm amazed the airframe withstood the impact.

[@robincharles7057]

🥺 I've never heard the phrase pucker factor, and now that I've read this I'm afraid I'll never get it completely out of my head. 😔

[@olivercharles2930]

The Pucker Factor sounds like a raunchy rip-off of The X Factor.

[@sierrabravo7156]

The pilot did well to land, considering what happened. A pity the plane was a write-off - I hope Ryanair were up to date with their insurance payments!

[@treyn8070]

It seems like a pretty normal Ryanair landing to me.🤣🤣🤣

[@ReiMiiz]

Great review! glad youtube recommended me this.

[@phatkid6811]

I had a similar emergency: KC-135R rolling off a right perch at night - half way around flew directly into a flock of geese. We were in a landing configuration and well within gliding distance so - after a quick analysis that we had no major failures - we continued but declared an emergency. We exited at first taxiway and did an orderly emergency group egress. It was dark and I didn't get the full report - but we did take a goose through the radome and did have other strikes. This "go-around" when in doubt is probably correct under normal circumstances - but if stable on short final - even with failing engines - your best bet would be to continue the landing. A retraction to less than full flaps (not sure of 737) would allow a safe glide and trying to go around with potentially failing engines and other HEFOE systems away from the airfield is risky. Unless a sim told me otherwise - on short final I would have continued and if thrust deficient configured for less drag.

[@Macintoshiba]

Smoothest Ryanair landing ever recorded. All jokes aside, impressive work, this could easily have been a fatal crash.

[@BillySugger1965]

Great presentation and analysis, many thanks. It seems to me that the flight crew made the natural decision given their training, and that training requirements have been improved to deal with this kind of scenario.

[@pablorubio8287]

I totally agree with you. There are other idiots on this comment section acting like they are pilots who know what to do when they are just people behind a screen. The flight crew did the best they could given the dire situation they were in.

[@FJVP74]

I am not a pilot, however I am an enthusiast of aviation and Green Dot, Mentour Pilot and Mini Air Crash investigation as well as Mayday the TV show are my favorite channels. It is the first time that hear about this incident and my first response was continue with the landing. Regardless training or not, the evaluation of the event would led me to continue with the landing if it was me on the command of the aircraft. This really bring to light what the training does to pilots and the way how they react. Thanks for the video and all the others previously posted.

[@plum_bit]

"I'm not a pilot, yet I would have done better". Shut up, man

[@andrecouture3397]

Now in the manual: when you get bird strikes, avoid saying aye aye aye 10 times

[@morzee94]

Ryanair may have a poor reputation for customer service, but it’s worth mentioning that their safety record is impeccable. The simulator training they implemented after this incident sounds very effective. Did every airline implement the same thing?

[@kyriosity-at-github]

I find their customer service absolute okay especially for such costs. The really pathetic is LH.

[@aviationandgaming11]

i really enjoyed this video well done mate great job

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed

[@rwb_gary6355]

Just found this page a week ago and been watching a lot. And a few hours ago we just had a major incident here at Tokyo Haneda Airport where a plane hit a coast guard plane heading towards yesterday’s earthquake on the west coast. Apparently 5 coast guard were killed but the pilot and everyone on the passenger plane survived. 💔

[@samomuransky4455]

Thanks for the video. This is extremely interesting incident, yet it's the first time I'm hearing about it.

[@jonasbaine3538]

Outstanding landing gear to handle that fpm impact

[@SFSPerseverance69420]

I swear the CFM 56's N1 spinning at more than 100% is the scariest sound ever but its also kinda nice

[@Titot182]

"Ensuring that the parameters for a stable approach" - Must be a diligent captain

[@CodingAbroad]

I think they threw the pilot under the bus on this one. Them saying he was startled is pretty degrading considering his experience. He gave legit reasons due to the weight of the plane and I think any reasonable person would have said if in doubt try again. Disgusting behaviour on part of the investigation

[@alexm5764]

Bird strike usually equals engine failure, my mind was boggled why he tried to go around with no engines

[@antonclark3420]

Mike O’Leary later charged the passengers extra for the Adrenalin rush on landing…

[@Steveman61]

The same old blues. Investigators had at least three weeks time to think about what had been a better option. The flight crew had less than ten seconds. They also found the pilots have not been trained on birdstrikes on short final or even very close before touch down. So why did they blame him for the go-around he did based on his training?

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

You don’t really understand the point of accident investigation, it’s to try to learn what could have been done better to avoid the same accident happening again.

[@sunshine7453]

There is too little or not enough time to react. So landing thru the birds is the most safely and cost effective. This is definitely not from the bird point of view. They have their own assessment.

[@lost4468yt]

"100, 50, FOURTY THIRTY TEN" - I'll take things you don't want to hear for $100

[@RobinhooodGFX]

Great video

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@andreypetrov4868]

Usually I criticize pilots but in this case I don't think that the Captain did anything wrong. If in doubt, do go around - this rule saved hundreds of aircraft and dozens of thousands lives.

[@Beobout6]

Birds are so Inconsiderate.

[@GreenDotAviation]

The asteroid wasn't thorough enough.

[@derrellthomas239]

Yeah, they think they rule the sky. 😁

[@meversusme7728]

Thanks for the video.

[@himssendol6512]

An example of Go around gone wrong is the pia crash in karachi.

[@patriciaramsey5294]

One of your best 👍

[@Brex806]

If I keep watching this type of video, I'll never fly again.

[@MinutePlant]

They need to be calm like when tram drivers nonchalantly hit cars that got on the track, lol

[@grantlandking4361]

you are the best green dot..

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

...which is a hell of a lot more sophisticated and nuanced than "if in doubt, go around". I mean this was only 15 years ago, we're not talking about the 1960s or 70s - and given that birds live at low altitudes (ie where take-offs and landings occur) - I would have thought that event would have already been understood as a risk, the processes both of the likely human responses - surprise, confusion, fear etc - and the countermeasures to handle or mitigate the consequences of such upsets trained for, already decades ago. I find it rather difficult to process that still in the late naughties a double engine failure had not already been considered likely enough especially given the greatly increased risk associated with the low altitudes....

[@allnighter2011]

I think it was a combination of being startled and also his decision to have his co-pilot under training do the landing... my guess if he was flying the plane at the time of the bird strike he would be in less panic and handle it better... in any case, when you are close to landing, if something went wrong, you really don't have much room or time to do much.

[@wrennobrien2077]

What in the flock was he doing?

[@DanceBeforeTheStorm_]

The startle effect is one of my biggest fear when driving. I've no idea how I'd react to sudden and unforeseen events. 😬

[@kyriosity-at-github]

full throttle

[@DA-qn1tf]

I did my PPL in Belgium with Mr Colson. Great guy to know

[@andrzej3511]

In order for the pilot to react precisely and flawlessly, such situations must be trained on simulators DOZENS, and maybe even hundreds of times in various circumstances. Being completely surprised and actually UNREADY, he acted as the procedures and his own experience and assessment of the situation dictated. It should be noted that he landed this machine safely on the runway after all!!!! He turned out to be a pilot who in rapidly changing circumstances got out of a very serious predicament!!!! RESPECT! For me, the only right conclusion is to make simulator training MANDATORY in such circumstances. There is no other way!

[@peterdurnien9084]

What was the bird controller doing at the time?

[@JohnRonson88]

One thing not talked about is the importance of the state of mind of the captain prior to the landing. There’s a well known psychological effect called fixation that affects pilot decision making. Usually the pilot fixates on landing which results in them making a landing when it’s not safe to do so. In this case the captain was supervising an inexperienced first officer. I feel it was likely at the front of his mind that if there’s anything he doesn’t like about the first officers approach he’ll call for a go around. That meant that when they suddenly encountered the birds he jumped to that preeatablished plan to go around, regardless of what the logical solution may have been in the moment. He was likely fixated on the idea of going around before the incident happened.

[@killham1337]

First video of yours I've seen. Would appreciate a reading of what's said in the cockpit, not just the text. But a really good video. You got a new subscriber

[@GreenDotAviation]

I think the latest videos should scratch this itch!

[@dannyhammonds2852]

The ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi wasn’t the captain, one of the seagulls got in the cockpit 🤣👍

[@wcharliewilson7004]

"Why didn't you just land instead of a 'go-around?' Uhhhhhhhhhh,.... Guinness?

[@stefanoscacco459]

I live in Ciampino and I had no idea of this crash

[@marybarry2230]

“Ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi ahi!” This is not a standard call out . Oh, it is if you’re going to crash!!!

[@flightandfind]

The fact that Ryanair did a go around is exeptional by itself XD

[@dmitrieverett4800]

Friend, how to include birds in X-Plane 11?

[@GreenDotAviation]

It’s counted as a “Failure” just like an engine failure etc. So go to the failure menu tab and you should find it there.

[@robincharles7057]

I know some are giving the pilot shït and saying even without flight experience they somehow would have made the right choice (incomprehensible to me that they are convinced they'd be infallible making these decisions lol), but I think people should actually be giving some credit for the pilot's reasoning for his decision, even if it did turn out to be the wrong decision in the end. If the strikes had ended up being where he thought it could have been more of a problem than actually doing the go around, and given the training he had to deal with this situation was lacking he seems to have done the best he could with the information he had. Making an informed (whether ill-informed or not) decision while unexpectedly having to take over controls and initiate the go around takes skill to begin with.

[@kattsscatshood3049]

Hey Green Dot I have a question. What flight simulator do you use to make these videos?

[@derrainerwinkl3r]

Just by the fpm that was a pretty usual ryanair landing

[@noob.168]

People complain about pilot strikes, but not enough about bird strikes. double standards huh

[@232K7]

86 bird strikes!! Thats absolutely insane

[@18Ram]

it's their own 9-11

[@jefferysterner]

The problem with "when in doubt, go around" is that in reality it's "when in doubt, go around (unless you might lose engine power, or you have lost flight control, or this or that or the other thing". I feel like this pilot let the training override a natural instinct when you are that close to the ground to just take it down as planned birds or no birds. Training is crucial, but training should also include how to incorporate instinct.

[@BritishBeachcomber]

8:45 I heard that as "Bread Strikes" ;)

[@hishamjaber3]

What the flock man. Everyone survived except for the angry birds.

[@Taerin74]

Aviation people generally go to a go-around first because it is the way they are trained honestly I would want that as a passenger. I don't think they did anything wrong.

[@alantorrance6153]

To me, as a low hours Commercial Pilot, it seems pretty obvious that a bird strike at relatively low altitude, where minimum power would be needed to maintain an almost "glide approach" would be preferable to risking major engine damage and malfunction through initiating a go-around, and thereby possibly creating a major malfunction and possibly a crash. It must be remembered that taxiing through the distant boundary (all other physical factors being equal) is better than flying through the nearest boundary. This is a point I recall being advised in early training.

[@Mutineer9]

My guess that a component of Capitan reaction was distrust to first officer flying ability.

[@juliusklugi7430]

If you ever made it to line training, I wonder if you kept that ‘pretty obvious’ attitude for long…

[@deriderex]

Whats important here is the crew made the right choice and landed the way they did saving the all lives on board. Who knows what would have happened if they attempted to try another approach. Good job pilots and crew.

[@calfencer]

I flew that airline to that airport in 2006. Hardest landing 🛬 any flight I ever experienced.

[@palonazo]

So you must have landed not many times. There's no reason to believe Ryanair landings are different than any other 737 operator.

[@calfencer]

@@palonazo I fly every 3 months for 15 years. It was still the hardest landing ever.

[@palonazo]

@@calfencer Must have been a coincidence. The way passengers judge landings is not the same pilots judge landings. Landing on a short sloped wet runway in windy conditions has different requirements than landing on a 4Km runway on a sunny calm wind day. There's just absolutely no reason to think Ryanair lands the airplane any different than the other airlines. The pilots come from the same flight schools and most have flown in other companies. Also the training in Ryanair is known for being top notch in the industry.

[@pjaypender1009]

There's really nothing bad about a very firm landing. Better to land firmly than float halfway down the runway and run out of runway before you stop.

[@gregdetwiler9220]

Really tough call. I may have done the same.

[@radioace318la]

It appears to me the captain did the only thing that saved everyone on board. Sure it's easy to sit here and Monday Morning the situation. but a go-around was out of the question. when life serves lemons, make lemonade.

[@nightshade8958]

What the fuck do you mean the only thing? He couldn't have made this crash worse. No decision he made helped him. If he continued to carry out the landing normally the engines would likely have not been severely damaged, and he could have landed fine. He literally made all the wrong choices. He wanted to go around after hitting the birds only seconds before landing, so he put the engines at go around power, getting the birds sucked deep inside damaging them. Even after not getting thrust he never lowered the nose. Each one of those decisions was wrong. The result is he stalled and crashed.

[@Quasihamster]

Bottom line: If you're on a plane with a dark blue underside, stay away from birds. Don't even order the chicken and make sure your seat neighbour won't either.

[@robtrunley]

Wow difficult one this ! But Minimums "was called" 145 knots there is a commitment right there! then 200 ft is called, surly that would be a continuation of the landing anyway, as thrust would be little to maintain 143 knots adding inertia into the glide slope "if not a little high" maintained. With the flight so well fully configured for landing, then the bird strike a master caution at I'm guessing that then the plane would be 140 feet ish from the runway, the engines would of taken too much time to spool up to gain altitude on Toga "Take Off Go Around" then dropping flaps costs lift at slow speed 40 to even 15 to soon, she's almost landing anyway, touchdown is inevitable, if it did touchdown then take off like a touch and go "no spoilers, any auto brakes are off the cards too" Absolute credit to the pilots, for sticking to procedure, CRM sounds great, C/p to Captain to fly, nice. Listen man I'm not the best person to comment as I stopped my 3 ton Range Rover Sport in a back lane the other day as there was a Pigeon in the road, so all the above a little hypercritical! I think all pilots could / should be put through all other pilots nightmare flights, well the recoverable ones anyway, hey GDA grab Peter and Kelsey, and see how they do in the flight sim, hey they got Tom Scott, to have ago, although he crashed as perfectly good plane, I didn't have the heart to say Peter "Mentour Pilot" told you Tom you needed a little more thrust for the landing Config, "he throttled back WTF" Get QXIR involved he is a not so kind when people F U ! if you know what I mean sir, and he's from your neck of the woods so cool, he is super honest and a little bit or sarcastic B45T4RD "love That" what a colab "Merry Christmas" I think 2 likes on this comments you should make it happen lol......

[@boeingdriver29]

The captain selecting Flap 10 is very strange. He would have had to physically lift the handle through the Flap 15 gate which makes no sense.

[@adamwallace0929]

Wonder if they still played the landing announcement song

[@mahogany3947]

At least they put it down on the runway I give them props for that did a fantastic job

[@SuperpowerBroadcasting]

Wow that's a lot of birds

[@colz4r454]

I guess the music is to keep people awake! I don’t need it. I’d expect a pilot captain with his experience to be calm and collected in emergencies.

[@nukecorruption]

been on ryanair flights few times in the past, always something with their flights. got massive turbulence and a rough landing. never flew ryanair again

[@evelinamaciulaityte7088]

Its scary because this is the plane i fly to EROEP for holdays some times

[@Mark-nk6xu]

I don’t think this is an emergency just a classic Ryanair landing

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

Poor birds Today just had a dove fly frantically getting away from a hawk and try to land next to me for protection. Poor thing was so stressed it immediately keeled over. Our birds deserve better 😢

[@umadbra]

What was the button the changed from left to right @2:20?

[@crohr1000]

It's really tricky decision. I had similar accident... I was just about to touch down, just steam off my speed before touch down and was like 5ft above ground ready for smooth landing.. Suddenly freaking DEER jumps in front of me and i had like 1sec to react, I new 100% I was gonna hit it and didn't apply any power, I had full flaps and idel power. I just lift a nose quick not to strike it with a prop and front wheel and manage to strike it with aft main gear. And i should mention it was little different plane (C172)

[@tumslucks9781]

Cess-nah... 🛩️........🦌

[@pjaypender1009]

Unless it was someone's Valentine you hit, pretty sure you meant a deer not a dear.

[@crohr1000]

@@pjaypender1009 haha yea

[@carow7135]

⁠@@pjaypender1009you made me snort, which is a win xD have a like

[@Mizai]

i never noticed i wasn't subscribed

[@NazriIbrahim3111]

Ahh the plane that comes with the drama. They dont need marketing they are already famous..😂

[@FlyBetter_Aviation]

ryanair’s first butter 💯💯💯😂

[@squareeyedgit]

It's interesting, I decided to watch your videos from oldest to newest, so this is the second in the list so far. The big difference I'm finding in these earlier videos is the sound balance. In this and the previous video, your voice is too quiet compared to the music, and the music itself is, in my opinion, too busy to work as a background. I'm not saying the music is bad by any means, but it's got too much in the way of melody (and sometimes too much of a percussive timbre), and this combined with the volume balance means that it is difficult to focus on the narration. The video looks as good as anything you've done - consistently high quality - and the script is fine too, but it's interesting to me that as time's gone on you've made a decision to use more 'ambient' music and put your voice louder, and this has made all the difference. Good work!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Very well noticed! This kind of stuff just comes with practice. I’m glad you agree there’s been an improvement :)

[@squareeyedgit]

@@GreenDotAviation Absolutely! You shuld be justifably proud, your videos are very well made. I am compelled to watch and listen, even though the subject matter routinely terrifies me!

[@Bren39]

Most of these non US first officer times are crazy... Getting hired at 200 hrs into a 737!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Agreed. The sheer amount you still have to learn at 200 hours total time. That's why in Europe there is a far stricter culture of having/following SOPs than in the US.

[@emanueldobos8452]

@@GreenDotAviation The matter of fact is EASA licensing requirements have been in place long enough that if there was any erosion in safety factors, it would have become evident by now.

[@Bren39]

@@GreenDotAviation it's not about just book learning.. It's about flight experience. That's why many accidents occur when the plane exits the small window of normal operations. I think the main reason for planes not falling out of the air more often is increased tech.. gps, efb, nd.. Better radar and very reliable and automated airplanes..

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

@@Bren39 flying 1200 hours in a C152 doesn’t help you fly a B737.

[@Bren39]

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 no one flies a 152 for 1200 and gets into a 737.or for that matter for any reason unless they owned the plane. My point was in the US pilots have thousands of hours in a smaller jet before they get to a 737.