Bowling Science Episode 7: URETHANE vs SHORT PINS

Welcome back to Bowling Science!
Today we tackle a controversial topic as of late, using URETHANE instead of SHORT PIN layouts on reactive resin balls. Both hook less when you need it, and both can score well, so why the fuss? Stay tuned and find out what URETHANE can do to an oil pattern.
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[@beachbuminpcb2011]

I’ve got a few months on the shelf to recover, so I’ll just educate myself as much as possible by watching these videos. Really looking forward to seeing what’s to come!!

[@niemann999]

I started throwing short pins this year and took me a bit to get used to it do. I have high axis tilt.. and gotten so used to everything being so skid flippy for me. Now I'm absolutely in love on how much more controllable this layout is. And tend to get to play the same area alot longer.

[@ChampionshipBowling]

This really good stuff my man. I love how you pin point the differences and show how urethane can destroy a pattern! Keep it up!

[@SamFisher300]

I'm really loving this channel, breaking down the science of the game which I love, going to have to try a short pin layout one-day.

[@dennisupdyke2595]

I appreciate this video. I'm one that loves short pin layouts and cannot stand urethane on house shots. I understand there are different onions and that mine isn't there only one that matters. Thanks Mikey. You're the hardest working video man going right now. Stay Radical!

[@specmodified]

The deflection comparison is amazing! Being a new bowler I haven't given it a thought till I saw this. Appreciate your videos.

[@jonathanpaje2008]

The knowledge and perspectives of the game you guys provide on KZbin is incredibly helpful. Thank you 🙏

[@andrewinvests839]

Great video, Mikey! I drilled my first short pin ball this season and I love it. A DV8 Turmoil2 solid drilled 90x2"x45 and high polish. I have a more cash that i think I'm gonna put the same layout on.

[@elliotpianocovers]

I think it's true that urethane may be worse at carrying pins, but there is also the amount of miss area you have on the lane to still hit the pocket, which is usually larger with a urethane ball, especially on sport patterns.

[@donaldsehorn702]

Love how you compare the balls on different patterns. Thanks for the video

[@HBK360MUSIC]

Mikey Dread haha love it man. Excited for what’s to come

[@kurtwrase4860]

Great video. Really shows what a short pin layout can do. Really eye opening when you see the amount of deflection in the urethane

[@haynlavaboy]

This is the way videos should be, informative. i just dislike videos that don't show the layouts, especially ball review ones, glad someone shared this video, looking forward to more!

[@Yg1988]

This will definitely help me when we go to the cheetah pattern in league in a few weeks. I have the green tank urethane that I typically use for short patterns

[@NicholsWorth07]

Very informative and well produced. Explains several misconceptions. Thanks

[@dannyj4858]

Hey man, love the videos, been bowling my whole life and I feel like you're my first official coach. Also, love to see you bowling at the house I grew up on (Pinboys!). Don't put too many videos tho, take your time I don't want you to burn out

[@JRingo212]

Going to try my first short pin on a track heat extreme that I currently have a balance hole in to see how it works for me. Thank you for these great videos!!

[@UltraEclipse]

I have both of those bowling balls and I love them, very similar layout to the ones you showed us.

[@cgundlac]

Loving the scientific content man, keep up the solid work

[@joewhitford3588]

Just plain awesome and great info/video. Been many years since I’ve thrown urethane

[@epbowler]

Just found your channel and enjoy the videos and professional commentary! Keep up the great work!

[@atbsigma]

Well done! Great video, easy to follow and may open a few eyes.

[@chucky1119p]

Excellent video!! I was thinking about a urethane ball. Now, I think I might try this first.

[@patersongalupe5099]

I'm leaning on purchasing a strong asym solid with a short pin layout versus a pin down layout on wet/dry patterns to be able to stay longer in my preferred zone. Thanks, Mikey! keep up the fantastic work!

[@rhysoserious3429]

Mikey Dread! Informative and clearly you are using the highest quality cameras. Mahalo.

[@rclick1226]

Great video! Thanks for this! Definitely subscribed!!

[@brucecampbell3873]

Great educational video Mikey, very well done!

[@AzmiReza]

I am new to bowling & starting to explore bowling channels in KZbin. Your channel is very engaging with good quality content, do produce more & I'd love to see videos for beginners to excel at the alleys! Cheers mate

[@ernestojanniere76]

WITH KNOWLEDGE LIKE THIS, CHANNEL IS GOING TO GROW QUICKLY!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!

[@IAmTheEggMan111]

Nice film work. Really outstanding with the overlays

[@daltongibson3002]

First time video and watching this is aesthetically pleasing. Great content!

[@D-Licker]

Great vid and info! This channel will take off!

[@christianweber361]

Awesome video!! I have a low flare katana dragon that gets some serious work done!

[@calvinpoppen665]

Awesome tutorial...Made it clear and easy to follow...Glad I stumbled across your channel...Just subscribed...

[@CasualGamerPlays]

This is a review that i needed. I'm looking at getting a Storm Pitch Purple but, i've never heard of a short pin layout for reactive resin balls, especially for short oil patterns. This really opened my eyes, thank you

[@BowlingScience]

We should have a pitch purple vs short pin episode coming in this month!

[@CasualGamerPlays]

Bowling Science that would be awesome! I use two fingers, no thumb, to throw the bowling ball. I want to get better at shorter patterns so i looked at a urethane ball. Hope to learn a lot from your next video review

[@nickgatewood9670]

Great video. So glad I found it since this solves an issue I've been debating

[@erdalea20]

My Urethane has an even pin or short pin right of ring finger. I get alot of carry and always go to it if my resin, pearl, or solid bowling balls are way to aggressive in the back end. Great video and new subscriber 😋

[@daveymillard9525]

Very good....... nicely done Mikey !

[@rodneyurbaniak8243]

Nice video. My proshop mentioned doing a short pin layout on one of my balls, gonna try it out!

[@raymondsteadii6510]

This is great content. Very Helpful! Long pin next please!

[@kevinfletcher466]

28 it is! Love the videos! Keep them coming! Cheers!

[@lagniappe299]

Very well done!! And very nice vid work!!

[@daltondick5223]

My main ball is a hammer big blue which I’ve been told is a urethane. I don’t have much revs so this ball helps get back to the pocket a lot. Also gotta point out something about this house, I love how they have the deck lights flash between red and blue on a strike. I have never seen a deck light do that before.

[@batbowler]

25 strikes is what I counted! Great video to show the difference!

[@markgray2442]

Love how much stronger that short pin drill goes through the pins. Makes my decision easier.

[@mythoughtsarefreedom]

I am very interested in the low flare layouts due to struggling with short patterns and high friction house shots. I have a tendacy to throw urethane when all else fails and just grind it out.

[@sadboisonly1004]

Even when I tell my friends I prefer short pin layouts since they preserve the pattern better than urethane I still get weird looks. Best thing with short pin reactive is that you can still move inside and shape the pattern when the dead straight line isn't working anymore

[@rsrdevon]

I have one of those Squach hybrids coming that I’m putting the 90x2 1/4x45 drilling on. 26 strikes!

[@edmusgrave6994]

Great job Mikey. Thank you!

[@joecool1561]

Great content and love the new channel

[@alandillinger673]

Nicely done. Great info.

[@kennylim3034]

This channel is a gem

[@markbishop9743]

Since I was introduced to the low flare layout by Mo himself in Eagan Minnesota along with Scott Pohl the pro shop operator there I have never looked back in fact it is the one layout at 90 by 2 1/4 by 45 that I can always count on to get me out of trouble

[@ninoc29]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge

[@davidmiller2732]

I definitely like to use my new DV8 control tactic urethane but only use it when needed like say when someone I'm bowling against starts using their urethane, but now I have an option of using a vsp set up for more length, so it's kind of a toss up for me

[@rogercarlson2330]

im switching over to a 90 x 2.25 x 45, i am tired of over hooking/. ty for taking the time to do these ,.

[@josharneson6310]

Love the slow motion!

[@rorystubler60]

The pros for a urathane on a short sport would be way more control in the mid lane (less chance of throwing it in the ditch). Also, you do create that carry down of the oil; however, in a tournament, you usually move after every game. Would you want your competitors moving to that lane to bowl well?

[@JohnSmith-gg8eg]

Great comparison….really saw the deflection of urethane through the pins as a significant issue for carrying the corners. I’ll use my short pin ball next time around 👍🏻

[@darinstrenzel3739]

Thanks to Mo and Mike's videos I short pin drilled a Radical Closer and threw my first 300 game.

[@BowlingScience]

GREAT BOWLING DUDE!

[@samdowell8383]

Awesome demonstration.

[@Tenpindoctors]

Very well done. Great information here

[@tdbowler]

I'm currently throwing the Conspiracy Hybrid and Squatch Pearl and recently got a Rhodman Pearl drilled short pin. It is way better for me than urethane.

[@chmanderx7849]

I wish i had found this channel sooner. Just subscribed

[@NorCalBowler]

Great informative video!

[@mikenier3961]

Awesome Video.. Keep them coming..

[@pmwizard48]

Very interesting topic you discussed.

[@stevenslimmen8573]

Keep up the awesome work bud!!!! 28 strikes and go team urethane!😎😎😎

[@sumo800]

Made me realize I need more short pin drills. My tilt is relatively high and on wet/dry shinier stuff goes sideways.

[@timreynolds5496]

28 times a ball was shown striking. Have 1 short pin so far on my OG Conspiracy, love it!

[@scotts7572]

Good information Mikey...

[@andrewsmith2437]

Great video I was curious to see the actual results with short pins. Only con I have is I wish you would bowl 2 games on each lane fresh with each ball to show if the short pins blend the patterns better. On the house shot it doesn’t do a justice to the short pin after transition the layout isn’t made for the breakdown especially with all the units in the middle that’s why it was rolling out.

[@blitchblastard]

This is my favorite video so far

[@paulweaver4962]

Love your stuff! I counted 26 strikes!

[@projectalchemy]

I like using short pin layouts on asyms. Never tried one on a symmetrical ball.

[@daveblake3382]

Havent touched my old urethane balls since I drilled and Intel pearl with the low flare layout

[@noahv6545]

Nice comparison shot in shot was a good idea

[@YoderBowling]

I counted 26 strikes and I’m definitely going to try out the short pin layout on my zing

[@xdabe3915]

At 1:47 why does it look like he’s photoshopped in loool 😂👌

[@billem3085]

excellent analytics!

[@asleep2444]

Your videos are very informative I really enjoy them 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👽🤖👽🤖👽🤖👽🤖👽🤖👽

[@fucyou800]

I throw plastic in all house shots because it's dry on the outside urethane doesn't stay consistent for me nice video

[@Yuyuyuppp]

Thoughts about shorter pins on symmetrics? Whats the significance of using asyms if you want a short pin ball?

[@russellgilbert3453]

Nice explanation given here.

[@jazlarvonsteich]

Technically speaking, urethane is actually a strong cover. That's why it hooks so early. Great video though. I've had many short pin balls and many urethane balls, both one handed and two handed, and there's still pros and cons to each. In my opinion, short pin resin doesn't replace urethane. Also, besides urethane, I find weaker, low flare resin balls (especially shiny ones) also carry oil down. A couple weeks ago my team was bowling the ghost team. Two of our bowlers were missing too. I had the right side all to myself. I started out throwing the Twist. Wasn't long before I had to ball up. Then my Counter Attack Pearl also started to skate. Ended up using my 900 Global Space Time Continuum the rest of the night.

[@coopergates9680]

Do you know how much oil the badger infused absorbs?

[@alexlefebvre930]

Great Stuff!

[@jvmiller1995]

Never thought about how much carry down urethane can cause. I haven't rolled a urethane ball in years but some of the people I bowl against do and they do break the lane down faster for sure. I was looking at a urethane ball for when my house shot is a bit dryer or has been bowled on a lot and broke down. I might just buy another reactive ball and have it drilled like this. Everyone is always looking for a massive hook I just want a more controllable hook when the lanes are less forgiving.

[@CaptainDoozy]

Great video! Easy subscribe :P

[@miketiegs1094]

Just found your channel! Loving the editing, music and overall look of your channel so far! The only thing I would suggest, is getting a microphone for the alley shot at the beginning. It’s hard to hear you over the noisy alley. But nevertheless keep the videos coming!

[@BowlingScience]

Gonna use a boom pole next time I try to record audio at the alley! Thanks for stopping by!

[@malugime5212]

I just subscribed.. thanks for the tips

[@mic8040]

Urethane is good for piss off people in tournements 😂

[@playdawg2008]

Hell ya

[@mreid08]

I had two teammates rolling urethane and for years I thought I just sucked, last year we disbanded and I joined a new team, my average went up 20 pins from not fighting urethane

[@jamievsjamie8377]

@@mreid08 You do suck. You didn't (and likely still don't) know how to adjust your game for different lane conditions.

[@mreid08]

@@jamievsjamie8377 wow that hurt boo hoo

[@traviskirk3834]

I had a web tour solid I got from my dad that was drilled 1inch off his pap and I threw it till it broke completely. I am thinking about getting my primal rage remix with a 1 inch pin and my revolt havoc with the short pin layout.

[@AKstryker23]

With symmetrical cores instead of short pin what would happen with a really long pin say 6.5 from p.a.p.?

[@redcyclone900]

Short pin layout seems good for shorter patterns, but what type a ball short i choose for this layout? Solid? Pearl ? high RG ? low RG?

[@pinboys7598]

man look at that lighting!

[@BrentWhiteass]

Great video

[@joerozsas2986]

Very interesting video.

[@decadude8968]

Personally I've been using a Storm Mix which is a pearl urethane for years now and I've really never had much of a problem with oil transition. Have bowled many 200 games with it. But that's probably because I'm more rev dominant and slower then average speed, so oil doesn't seem to affect my carry as much as the night goes on.

[@jacklane734]

Typically the effects of urethane aren't very drastic with casual bowlers. It's much more exaggerated when you have a good shot maker who consistently gets the ball to the break point in the same spot. Lower average bowlers will spread a little bit of oil across a large chunk of the lane while higher average guys will load up the traffic area with oil.

[@playdawg2008]

@@jacklane734 yes sir:)

[@worldloganone7693]

What is a good bowling ball is good for wet dry lanes

[@decadude8968]

@@worldloganone7693 for wet dry, I would suggest a solid coverstock ball like an iq tour or Path Rising Solid. You want something that's a slower responding ball to friction.

[@worldloganone7693]

@@decadude8968 thank you I appreciate it I get the path rising solid tomorrow

[@MegaEpicWow]

28 Strikes I haven't found a short pin reactive ball that gives me the look I want my favorite ball is the purple hammer I shot my first 300 with the original Blue Fab I've been hooked ever since. Jeremy Abbott

[@BowlingScience]

Brunswick phantom 90 x 2 x 45 500 grit

[@JLeeREpros]

Love this video, it really gives the advantage of short pin layout. but I have a question, what cover/core combination should a tweener use short pin on？ If we use current Radical line up？

[@BowlingScience]

I would recommend doing an asymmetrical first as a tweener. Probably a conspiracy theory, it has a TP cover, and dynamicore...