The Early Drafts of A Game of Thrones from 1993 and 1994

[@aaronholland4107]

I always felt like Jon saying to Ned that the dire wolves was a sign was not to trick Ned, but to give Ned an excuse drop the formalities, and just give Bran a puppy.

[@KaritKtana]

Yes! and I think some inconsistencies in how people think about a Ned is not only natural and realistic like Carmine says, but it might also be characters like his kids understanding that Ned *needs* to put on the Lord's face in front of others to keep Northern traditions alive even if he doesn't fully subscribe to them. He does clean his sword in the pool, unknowingly feeding blood to the Old Gods, so he is traditional in some sense at least.

[@globesurfer122]

Exactly. Preston seems to not understand basic human emotions sometimes, it's so bizarre.

[@Rafael_Mena_Ill]

One can also be non-religous but still somewhat superstitious

[@gokbay3057]

Yeah, it is Preston's blindspots hitting again just like with the prologue (absent hindsight the way Waymar acts is far more sensible than Will and Gared) and Gared's execution

[@joshosborne683]

PJ sometimes assumes schemes or magic instead of a character acting like a human lol

[@nikmede]

Considering how Ned specifically says to Cat to seize Tyrion when he returns to Winterfell, maybe in his original trilogy plan Tyrion gets seized at Winterfell he's imprisoned there and that's the reason at the end of the war that Winterfell gets burnt, since the Lannister army would have every more reasons to go there

[@stupidminotaur9735]

maybe with an ironborn fleet /army

[@abbu.robinson]

On the "Jon's an idiot" because he uses a sign to get Ned to do something, that might be because "he doesn't know his own father" or and I put this to you as someone who lives within a religious community. A leader, even when not believing in something themselves needs to publicly acknowledge them. The "sign" of the dire wolves is precisely that sort of situation. Whether or not Jon knows nothing, he still knows that Ned has to show some level of religiosity in front of his household. Especially if that household needs to justify to itself how with his permission, the Southron wife imported septons and septas and is educating the next generation of Northerner lords "within the Faith"

[@KaritKtana]

Exactly ! I think some inconsistencies in how people think about a Ned is not only natural and realistic like Carmine says, but it might also be characters like his kids understanding that Ned *needs* to put on the Lord's face in front of others to keep Northern traditions alive even if he doesn't fully subscribe to them. He does clean his sword in the pool by himself, unknowingly feeding blood to the Old Gods, so he is traditional in some sense at least.

[@mitchellhouser1572]

Yeah, not sure why Preston just does these extreme simplifications. Ned is a bad and cruel person because he wanted Bran to go to the execution? Public executions were widely intended by people of all ages not to mention he is specifically doing it to show Bran about their ways and the responsibility of being a Stark. He didn’t do it maliciously or cruelly. Even if that’s how you view it from your own modern point of view it’s clear that’s not how Ned views it and not what his intentions were. Jon just wanted to help Bran keep the puppy. He said what seemed like a potentially persuasive argument and it did work so doesn’t seem like it suggests he’s an idiot or knows nothing about Ned.

[@gokbay3057]

Yeah, it is Preston's blindspots hitting again just like with the prologue (absent hindsight the way Waymar acts is far more sensible than Will and Gared) and Gared's execution.

[@unknownsoldier452]

Hey Preston, have you heard of the Russian version of Briennes chapter in the cave of Stoneheart? It was published before the book came out and features bits that didn't make in the final cut - like the survivor the Red Wedding telling Brienne his experience of it.

[@stupidminotaur9735]

i have not is it on/in reddit or somewhere?

[@KaritKtana]

WHAT! Link?

[@winterlord9942]

The broken promise can still be R+L=J and D. Ned himself thinks about Dany during that small council meeting. Jon and Dany being twins makes more sense than most people give it credit. Love your videos Preston.

[@vringi3725]

If you think about it in the North there is story about Dany Flint - a woman who joined a Night's Watch. I don't think Jon and Dany are twins but Lyanna could give birth to Jon before Rhaegar left ToJ. If he saw she gave him a boy instead of girl(third head of a dragin aka Visenya) maybe he tried have another child and he successfully impregnated Lyanna with Dany. And Lyanna died because this birth complications.

[@NielsMulvad]

@@vringi3725 I might misunderstand you (I got a fever, and I can feel my brain turn to mush). But wasj't Dany born to her mother, while they were fleeing? She grew up with her brother, who as an 6-8 year old, would/should know if there suddenly popped a baby out of the blue. So I don't subscribe to the J+D being siblings theory.

[@alanoreilly8370]

The videos lately have been great, thanks!

[@convenientlyshapedlamp8664]

So many uploads lately, thank you Preston! Only person I can listen to for hours on end

[@openthemind1244]

Preston where are your tinfoil analysis?! That was your bread-&-butter and why I love you, you haven't done one in YEARS! I NEED ANOTHER! (Ramsay is not Roose's son • Secrets of Craster's Keep • Purple Wedding) I NEED more of that!!!

[@dasaggropop1244]

i miss them too, unfortunately its all about the fanfic these days. i get it, a lot of people are having fun with that. me not so much. welp

[@doghat1619]

Maybe he's just run out of things worth talking about? He's had a channel for like 9 years, and there's not been any new books since, there's nothing new to read.

[@masonrockwood7732]

​@@dasaggropop1244Hard agree, that stuff is not for me and I miss the old Preston videos.

[@ThomasTheSkankEngine]

Maybe he could remake old videos with better mic quality + improving flaws in his old theories, that would be cool imo

[@jamesvalentine7475]

I remember reading about the Corn Code years ago. None of my regular youtube guys ever did a video on it. I think it was on reddit. Would be a great deep dive.

[@alexanders8638]

"i can't make my kids cry and witness the death of a puppy!" i have literal tears in my eyes from laughter 🤣

[@MrFredstt]

It's interesting how the seeds for Jaime being the big bad are still there in the first book. You can tell GRRM had the idea to take his character elsewhere later on

[@Silver_Girl178]

Ned doesn't have to believe in signs to let that stand as a reason to let them keep the pups. Jon just has to know him well enough to know that he wants/will take the out. And it sort of makes sense that Dany would misunderstand that some places are actually the same place, under a different name, if she has only ever listened in to other people talking about them.

[@rancidrance875]

5:01 you could say the same about the direwolves though. Its possible these two events were meant to parallel each other and imply outside influence.

[@Causistica]

I imagine the promise might have have been simpler. "Tell him how much his father and I loved him." Or something. Obviously Ned couldn’t do that without endangering him, so he thinks of it as a broken promise even though he's taking care of him.

[@horacevonbergamot5093]

Actually, Pycelle just killing Jon Arryn proactive and knowing about the incest could be explained by the relationship of Cersei and Jaime beeing part of the Maester Conspiracy, like you pointed out in your series.

[@SapphireSolstice67]

On the topic of what are Ned’s “broken promises”. I think he promised Lyanna more than one thing. Yeah one was keep Jon safe , and one was bury me in Winterfell, and he kept those. But I think another one was tell Jon who he is when the time is right. And it’s a broken promise because Ned knows he will die before he can see Jon again.

[@groglas]

Sensory deprivation requires very specific conditions, the hardest to achieve in a "natural" pool would be #1: Salinity enabling effortless floating. and #2: Temperature, it needs to match the skins temperature.

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

Oh obviously. Also, sensory depravation isn’t some huge mysterious frontier of craziness. But in the 80’s and 90’s, sci-if acted like it was. Keep in mind, George specifically used sensory deprecation with Bran and Arya to unlock telepathic potential.

[@groglas]

@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobinYes I am familiar, and I believe you are correct, as the buoyancy of CotF, and the temperature of their skin are both unknown. I wrote sensory deprivation when what I meant was sensory deprivation chambers/tanks, I know you understood me correctly, but thought I'd clarify for posterity. The water that drips onto Bran in the darkness underneath the Wall is "salty as a tear", and "strangely warm".

[@joefo458]

Been waiting for this since you guys teased it this weekend.🔥

[@dazzlespark2304]

Great video, Preston and Carmine, as always. I can’t wait for the next installment. About Ned’s broken promises, I always thought Lyanna told Ned that Jon had to be King, due to Rhaegar’s prophecy researching. “Promise me Ned,” that he would do anything (even go against Robert, if need be) to ensure Jon was King. On HOTD they focus on Aegon’s prophecy. I think that likely comes from George as he’s referenced that idea before, of Aegon coming from Dragonstone not as a conqueror but to unite the kingdoms (perhaps due to a dream) to defeat some future evil. What does everyone else think?

[@danielbasich2729]

Preston is on fire! I love this!

[@dustinsmith2021]

Meh.

[@Sannspoof]

Would Pycelle have been there for the birth of Cersei's children? If he were in that room with Robert Cersei and Jaime I bet he could deduce the father.

[@Seelenverheizer]

I think some of the pointed out "inconsitencies" about Ned make a lot of sense. Like the point about the signs and beeing religious. Cat is quite believing in signs and is also quite religious and so for her Ned who might slightly consider these signs and mostly likely doesnt talk about the old gods to her to not annoy her maybe. Same with the kids thinking he is very religious. As the kids mom is a fallower of the 7 it falls to them to teach his kids his religion like taking them to the hearttree, which even if he is midly religious makes the kids assosiate him way more with religious things. Also its reasonable the Septa mostly tought them about the 7 directly and Cat let the profesional do it so the kids might think their father way more involved in his faith. Also to me Ned is a traditionalist and the stunt with the pubs absolutely is bad juju not to allow them the pubs once its mentioned to him that way. Him allowing Arya to do sword-training is not him beeing progressive, its him getting flashbacks to Lyana and his repressed trauma allowing her to do as is her nature. Also at that point i feel like Ned did struggle parenting 2 girls and is trying to make it easier for his girls to cope with the new environment and not with their mother and brothers anymore, and if the sword training helps Arya, he will enable that.

[@gokbay3057]

The Arya thing not being progressive for him is quite obvious since in the same scene he allows her to keep the sword and train he tells her that she will marry a lord and have children.

[@olilacon]

Bear in mind Pycelle delivered Cersei’s children and would’ve deduced they were Jaime’s

[@jenny_of_oldstones3523]

The pool was there for their sacrifices. I mean they have found so many of them through out Europe from the Earlier ages in places that used to be lakes and became bogs and whatnot.

[@mykofanes]

Polish translation of the first book is little off sometimes, but with kind of things that translator couldn't make up himself. I kinda suspected that it was translater from an earlier draft, and well. On the first glance at this now it probably was.

[@guustagg]

Robert calls for justice on Rhaegar and thats why his head is demanded by the Mad King

[@joefo458]

I’ve wondered if the draft’s lost region of Rhoyne (which PJ has compared to Numenor & Atlantis) was originally meant to connect with purple-eyed Starfall and their extra-ancient sword along with ancient, wise Old Town, making kind of a SW Westeros parallel to Valyria (with ancient dragons too?). But George realized that having two Atlantises was a bit much, and so moved Rhoyne and made mysteries of Old Town and Starfall/Daynes specialness.

[@gokbay3057]

That makes sense.

[@KingOfWinter]

34:00 considering that Ned does fall for the direwolf “sign” in the sense he lets his children keep and raise them. Wouldn’t be Cat who doesn’t know her husband not Jon not knowing his dad?

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

He lets them keep them because his sons thought they were cute and didn’t want to break their hearts.

[@matthicks1129]

Right. Also he was more moved by Jon's gesture then he was convinced about it being a sign.@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

@@matthicks1129Yeah, that’s spot on

[@KingOfWinter]

@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin Fair enough. I guess I was thinking if that was the case Ned would’ve spoke up before Jon came up with his “sign” but Ned being moved by the gesture itself fits better especially since Ned doesn’t think anything of the Stag killing the Direwolf. You know I have to at least try to defend my boy Jon aka the bathroom sign lol

[@user-td4do3op2d]

Stannis being Lord of Storm’s End would probably not have caused the brothers to fight. Stannis would’ve had the better claim and the correct seat for the head of his house.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

but dragonstone is the seat of the heir..

[@wisdommanari6701]

I understand what you're saying PJ but I think bitch was used because the hound is a dog. your point still stands 100%

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

You could use mutt or mongrel too if that were the case

[@wisdommanari6701]

@@7PlayingWithFire7 valid

[@KaritKtana]

40:57 - it does, Preston!He's called George R R Martin... Stories need coincidences sometimes, it doesn't make everyone guilty or conspiratorial

[@gokbay3057]

Yup, Occam's Razor is a thing for a reason.

[@wangtoriojackson4315]

Maybe Ned's broken promise is not only to protect Jon and raise him as his bastard son, but to eventually tell him of his true parentage, which Ned does not do and never plans to, because in his mind it would only plunge the realm into chaos again and endanger Jon's life.

[@gokbay3057]

58:40 "Innocent man" Desertion is a capital crime, which Gared did not deny. Put him in a modern courtroom while keeping desertion as a capital crime and he might avoid death penalty by mental health grounds but he is definitly being declared guilty. Moreover, public executions used to be fun events for the whole family to enjoy. Bran witnessing an execution really isn't out of the norm. Sansa and Arya not witnessing it might be more of a weirdness once you don't look at it from a modern lens.

[@EasternStandardTim]

Dany talking about the vale and the eerie, literally read the words before and after. She didn’t know these places, “they were just words to her”. No inconsistency here at all

[@MykeFahrenheit]

Ned promised to tell Jon who his real parents are

[@ThailandOutsider]

I think the use of "bitch" to describe Cerci is a clever play with words, the hound isnt evil, the bitch he serves is, its keeping with the dog theme, i think the real problem with Ned saying this it it is to Arya, even if hes thinking bitch hes going to tone it down in front of his daughter, har it been Jory this would've been fine.🤷🏻

[@tyronetolentino]

Ned would have made quite the formidable battle rapper. Man had bars.

[@aprilmae274]

wait-didn't Gyles Rosby have HIS rooms right over the kitchens with a direct hall that goes right into the kitchens? Cuz Tyrion and sansa get his rooms later...and he talks about going straight to the kitchen.

[@poppag8281]

59:50 I kinda like the book version better as Kal drogo gave danny a choice showing somewhat of a soft side and for the first time dany gets a choice instead of being told what to do

[@myanrckay5959]

The simplest explanation of Neds promise is that she asked him to tell John who his parents are, which Ned seems to indicate that he will tell John next time they see each other. I'm thinking he was conflicted about telling him because of Robert as it would probably end with John or Roberts death unless John can no longer be king. Hence Neds plan is to tell him once he is a sworn brother.

[@jackiec9139]

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[@chadsummerchild1120]

G Steph!!!

[@davidbadillomirete8226]

Obviously Lysa didn't need anyone to get close to Jon's food, but Cersei did so in the original text the squire was probrably responsable, but even if Lysa and Baelish didn't need anyone else to kill Jon, if they wanted to avoid beeing discovered, and if they wanted to put the blame on Cersei who didn't have acces to Jon's food, they would still need to have someone with access to Jon's food look suspcious of working for the Lannisters, and they did it so well they even fooled Varys.

[@KaritKtana]

I'm not sure about the exact chronology, but I'm guessing Aerys called for Robert's head because Varys was feeding him rumors of a Southern conspiracy?

[@stupidminotaur9735]

sunk a well noun The operation of sinking or digging wells; the act of boring for water.

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

I had never heard the term before. Who knew? (I guess well diggers)

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

About Dani's wedding night: The show has a better Dani, but the book have a better Khal Drogo. Because Drogo says "no" as a question.

[@EasternStandardTim]

“no?” he asked the 13 year old child lol, ur wild 😂😂

[@BenIsOnlyAsking]

Y’all were about to be EATING

[@bretcolebi1305]

As for sinking a well, it is possible to drive a pipe down into the ground deep enough, reach an aquifer, and have water flow up and out without a pump. Artesian well. I lived in a town where people used to hammer a bamboo shaft down to get water. So sinking a well sounded like a normal phrase when i heard it

[@stranger2Utube]

Oh gosh, this should be epic

[@JohnTorres1987]

That’s kinda funny that he stores his writing at Texas A&M. Because I store Preston’s and Carmine’s mothers at Texas A&M for “posterity” as well. Mainly for their posteriors.

[@mickeydoodle69]

What if the catspaw inconsistency is what’s keeping Winds? Maybe it’s keyed such a mess against the timeline already set down that there’s simply no way around it without a textual adjustments to GOT?

[@aaronginsberg4993]

Cersei know that Jon Arryn is investigating the incest. We get that from Cersei's POV in AFFC. Stannis knowing is a non-issue for the Lannisters for the reason that Stannis himself gives: it's in Stannis' self-interest for the kids to be born of incest and Robert doesn't particularly like him anyway. Robert will dismiss it as Stannis grasping for power. I think the easiest way for all of the events to make sense is that Cersei thinks she ordered Littlefinger to murder Jon Arryn but Petyr actually did it for his own reasons (probably because he hates Stannis; maybe because he's Sweetrobin's father). She doesn't know how Petyr pulled it off (so she isn't lying about not knowing who killed Jon Arryn). She does know Pycelle let him die (she accuses Pycelle of as much in AFFC). Jaime has no clue about any of this though and Cersei isn't about to confess it to Tyrion. But if you read Cersei's thoughts about Jon Arryn in Feast, there is this idea in her head that she dealt with the threat from Jon Arryn similarly to how she dealt with Ned and Tyrion: "She had contended with Jon Arryn, Ned Stark, and her vile, treacherous, murderous dwarf brother." We know she's involved in getting Tyrion convicted. We know her involvement in Ned's arrest. She thinks she did something similar to Jon Arryn. The previous sentences are things that she suffered. This is a more active "contended with".

[@CosmicCorviknight]

Really interesting stuff. If English Lit classes were like this at school I would have paid way more attention to my teachers. Also, I feel Jon Arryn always comes across as a convenient plot device rather than an actual character that existed within the world of the story. For decades he must have been one of the most powerful political players in the realm but it feels like no one besides Ned, Robert and Lysa had any kind if real relationship with him. Characters barely think about him besides "Maybe he was murdered". And is it ever established where Ser Hugh came from? He doesn't seem to be associated with any noble Vale house yet somehow became squire to the Hand? Not a plothole or anything, but feels a bit glossed over and I wondered if the character may be more fleshed out in earlier versions of the story

[@_addison4772]

Is maester Lewin still the guy tells Ned to have Jon join the watch

[@chrisrubin6445]

Just thought of this; but what if The Promise was not Lyanna asking Ned to protect a child, but Lyanna asking Ned to put a child on the Iron Throne! Imagine how conflicted Ned would feel, he just fought a war about that and was likely traumatized, his father and brother are dead, and now his sister is dying, and her dying wish is for more war and conflict?!?!?!? Maybe Ned agreed just to give her some respite in death, but could never go through with starting that war. Idk probably not though ?

[@JohnTorres1987]

Ned can be religious and not be strict. The old gods don’t have all of the rules that the faith of the seven have.

[@slidden]

arryn came to pycelle to read the book that’s how he suspected arryn knew of the incest. i think cersei was ignorant to it all. pycelle thought maybe she tried to poison arryn knowing nothing about sweet robins fostering. so he took it upon himself to stop the info from getting out.

[@smack80]

Do you think that the Rhoynar of the Arbor are blond/silver haired and purple eyes, and the progenitors of their neighbours the hightowers and the daynes?

[@poppag8281]

32:08 is it impossible for someone to be religious and progressive at the same time?

[@macncheese2392]

12:47 the HE is isn’t Ned its Littlefinger. Littlefinger has the ability to pin everything on the Lannisters by going to robert and saying ‘your wife wants Jon Arryn Dead’. Littlefinger already has a manipulative relationship with Lysa so LF just has her do it as a way to ‘protect’ Robert Arryn. LF needed him dead for the Lannister’s and he got Lysa to do it for him AND give him the Vale.

[@MaryJanesLounge]

As a native Rhode Islander, the biggest mystery in all of this is why you’re getting recommendations about East Providence. Are we neighbors??

[@barrry9]

Re: Dany's wedding - I've only ever seen people complain about the change as they feel it damages Drogo's character and removes some nuance to it, as, in the book, it seems pretty clear he wants to make sure he's not doing anything she's not ok with

[@theletterm5425]

We don't know whether Ned actually believed Jon's speech about the direwolves being a sign or whether he was just moved by Jon's altruism of not wanting a direwolf pup for himself. Also Cat's comment about Ned not believing in signs might just be a passing remark about the current situation, instead of some deep analysis of her husband's character.

[@poppag8281]

01:07:24 uhhh alot of stories make sense what are you talking about?

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

GRRM plays a lot on the discrepancy of point of views. He does not describe what happens but what people think happens. Pycelle saying he interpreted Cersei's mind (and possibly being wrong) is the same as Jaime thinking he understood Cersei wanted him to kill Arya. So what we have here is Pycelle likely knowing about the incest (as others in the small council, all keeping quiet for their own reasons), knowing about Jon Arryn's "asking questions" and assuming Cersei knows and wants him dead.

[@standuplive1]

A lot of discussion on who murdered Jon Arryn, is it not Lysa?

[@Borgcow]

I dunno, makes sense to me that Ned would get annoyed by people using his own House words in an attempt to manipulate him. What doesn’t make sense to me is him using the phrase “blended my manners” or whatever

[@nogodsnomasters7669]

How were the calzones?

[@poppag8281]

I always thought the point of the dire woldf scene was that killing the man was someone who broke the law and it had to be done while the dire wolf puppies did nothing wrong, so I fail to see how its a contridiction?

[@ashleyrodd8729]

Why was Robert even a ward when he was the Lord and of age?

[@Silver_Girl178]

Maybe Ned sees it as a broken promise because he didn't keep Jon with him/ he let him go to The Wall.

[@hughmoore2143]

I’ve kinda got the feeling that everyone knew about the incest and just didn’t talk about it. I suspect that Robert had known about it for years.

[@romewilliams3526]

The broken promises is that she wanted Ned to tell him about her. Think about it a dying mother would want her child to know about her. He specifically has told Jon nothing of his mother.

[@smack80]

Jon, Ned and signs: Its not that Jon thinks Ned believes in signs. Its that Jon elieves in signs. Simple.

[@countbalerionofhousetatter2624]

ned promised lyanna he'd bring her chocolates, but didn't. what a jerk.

[@ashtton_tapiwa]

How did Pycelle learn about Jaime & Cersei's incest and the illegitimacy of Robert & Cersei's kids? Jon Arryn probably went to Pycelle asking for that book on Baratheon hair and features, just like Ned did.

[@freealbemuth9871]

I think the reason people dont like the change from book to show of the wedding night is that witnessing the assault is uncomfortable, which it should be, but some people will just prefer the version that made them less uncomfortable even though its less realistic. Its just an emotional rather than analytical reaction to the material, which given the subject matter makes sense.

[@wisdommanari6701]

A lot of people are actually ship Drogo and Danny. whenever I see it it makes my stomach churn.

[@nyz7971]

it's more like the show changed Khal Drogo's character by making their wedding night rape instead of him asking and getting her permission to move forward in the book version... not consent in modern terms between two adults under normal circumstances but it's better than what the show portrayed

[@CNTconnoisseur]

Cersei technically killed Jon Arryn. He was poisoned by Lysa but was being well treated by a maester. Cersei then sends in her own maester to make sure that he dies.

[@SHARKVADERS]

PJ IS BACK FOMOS

[@orkunakurt8139]

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[@MrGashdash]

did preston already address the theory whereby the wall is built on a row of werewood tres with Others nailed to them? i cant tell if he has or not because of the poor archiving and nameing of his videos.

[@Kippiddy]

For some reason every time i watch a preston jacobs video I reconsider getting a mail order bride.

[@richardtabor8686]

woooooo!!

[@KaritKtana]

1:00:05 - AND Khal Drogo is 2.5 times her age!!!! I can't imagine being 13 and being forced to lose my virginity to a 30 y.o.

[@jessebourbeau1616]

I like the theory that the promise Ned broke is telling Jon who he is, or it might actually be raising him as a true born Stark, as if he was his own.

[@Azor19]

❤

[@TraciPeteyforlife]

A lot of the incest plot is suspect to me. A lot of it is very strange given. All the people not telling Robert anything. Is really stupid. I mean Renly could have gone to the North. Then tell him once they are at a big enough castle. That has loyal Bobby B forces. Or heck Renly could have called I'm Stormlands forces. A lot of it is just not logical. Stannis could have done better too. 😮

[@justin.channels]

I play every video on .25 speed so that I can savor each one, and they last as absolutely long as possible

[@BandidoInocente44]

Carmine rulez! Shoutout from Paraty-RJ!

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

I always considered Ned as the man who consciously gets war to start by revealing a secret that no one else but Stannis cares about. He is the principled idiot who sacrifices men's lives for his fantasy and his ordering Tyrion's arrest doesn't change much in this. I watched the show first and can remember disliking him intensely from the 6th episode on, as he sits the Iron Throne and does all he can to make a mess against Robert's orders.

[@TheHighCooker]

First?

[@MrJonHimself]

When will be getting another meltdown about your daddy in the leadup to the 2024 U.S. Election?

[@mikhaelbartocci2153]

Sure D&D get credit for how to start and adapt early GoT but idk if I could agree to give them those flowers about starting shows and adapting books after watching the first episode of Netflix’s 3 Body Problem. It was /fine/ but it wasn’t nearly as good of an adaptation as the Tencent version nor was it as good a one as season 1 of GoT. I was struck by George’s background as a television writer and can only surmise his work on the show is what really made it shine, and his departure as what really sucked the magic out. D&D left plenty of book material unadapted before they went into full fan fiction territory in later seasons and 3BP kind of felt like those middling seasons where they hit some great beats with Arya in Bravos or Cersei and the church but was over all ~mid~

[@mikhaelbartocci2153]

Of course the decision to age up Dany was fire