I Do Not Recommend The Prodigy C

I really wanted to like this gun (and I still do with the fixes).
But with the baseline issues, for most, you're better off spending a bit more to get a working gun out of the box.
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[@gulkash1188]

Springfield, a company built on a name that isn't what people think it is, and who has largely existed as an importer for other people's guns that people assume are American because of the name, makes a gun that isn't nearly as good as it could/should be due to price point manufacturing that would make Sig blush? Say it ain't so....

[@BrassFacts]

oof

[@JimYeats]

Thank you for spelling this out. I also try and do this in most Springfield videos. They’re basically Century Arms except they pretend to be All American. They should just be renamed “HS Produkts American Office”.

[@heisman01]

I can confirm, worked behind the counter for a decade. People would come in bragging about their American gun.... made in Croatia.

[@wetulo33]

I worked with a guy that was big into XD's because it wasn't a Glock, one of his selling points to him self was that is was made in USA unlike the Glock 😂

[@BlackrockLobbyist]

Scathing

[@RoofKorean2]

The fact that Springfield has still not fixed the known issues with the prodigy is astounding. Some of these problems like spring rate and poorly fit parts were day one issues.

[@BrassFacts]

I don't think they actually give a shit that their guns are used for serious use. They sell products at cabelas in mass bulk.

[@Katana_Gryphon]

Not astounding at all. The target audience of Springfield guns is boomers who will likely never put more than a 50-round box through any one of their guns. They don’t need to work.

[@Exandria]

Springfield makes awful firearms. Im not surprised.

[@jthrelf]

It's just not possible to make a properly working 2011 at a price point ....

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

Springfield should contact the factory in Turkey that makes the Prodigy for them and tell them to fix it.

[@austinboston5643]

This is unironically one of the most honest reviews if any if these prodigies I've seen

[@GranTigerGaming]

Agreed, one of the few channels that doesnt just recycle the same info from a dozen other videos.

[@retiredrecon]

Brass being in a 2011 tisim spiral gives me hope that we'll finally get an honest review of the platypus.

[@ausjacq]

At this point, there’s pretty much only three reviewers that I trust: Brock, Hop, and Aaron Cowan, the latter of which gave a surprisingly glowing review of the Platypus.

[@chadsusanke6312]

@@ausjacq check out nightwood guns. He buys all his own guns.

[@geekofsteal]

Staccato just announced a glock mag compatible model, so competition will be FIERCE now

[@AppalachianChaplin]

​@geekofsteal well I like my gun to still work with a speck of dust in it, so staccato is out of the question😂 (jk yall calm down, if i had the money to blow like that on a pistol I def would too)

[@slateman_8490]

We learned that we should just build our own 2011s. We can call it the Brass Facts Special.

[@1awrenceofarabia]

There's a reason the 300 page 1911 thread on Pistol-Forum is titled "The Art and Science of Keeping Your 1911 Running"

[@noscopesallowed8128]

You know I'm seeing a trend with almost all modern products as of late. Basically every company out there is releasing some product X that doesnt work, and then random enthusiast person Y comes in and basically fixes the product with sheer force of will and knowledge. And then nothing happens and nothing changes.

[@raifsevrence]

My first pair of fancy shoes were LA Gear. They had leather fin ruffle things on the sides and two pairs of shoe laces. They cost $100 before taxes. That was in the late 1980's. 40 years later, shoe prices haven't changed much. You've got the $15-60 stuff they sell at places like Walmart. You've also got the $40-100ish stuff they sell at actual shoe stores. Doesn't matter if it is Sketchers or Nike or Reebok (if you can actually find them) or Adidas or New Balance or whatever. The same phenomenon exists in all manufactured goods. Power tools, clothes, kitchen appliances etc. Currency values have not remained stable over more than 4 decades. Instead what has happened is enshitification, planned obsolescence, manufacturing efficiency, frugal design and creation... Instead of the prices of products increasing to keep pace with the changes in currency, everything has gotten many times worse and lower in quality in order to maintain the same price points. The quality has long since disappeared. It was the first thing to be sacrificed in the efforts of the global order to perpetuate their fallacies.

[@reidhampton6799]

I’ve seen 3 prodigy’s disassemble during USPSA matches. All were hammer pins, safeties walking out until lost function/parts fall off.

[@practicalplinking6133]

You think the entrants in those matches had nothing ta do with these issues ??

[@pablo4yu]

Best inexpensive 2011 is the kimber kd9c or whatever

[@baker90338]

@@pablo4yuwhy not the tisas ones?

[@frankholub4673]

1911s and 2011s failing in the middle of USPSA matches is a national tradition.

[@toastwrld1365]

@@baker90338 they're turkish, and while i actually typically dont mind turkish pistols, im not so sure a turkish 2011 can be so great.

[@alexanderm8880]

Now that CZ owns Colt they should just update the 1911 design and marry it to a P07 frame. No grip safety, Browning tilting barrel, etc. Keep the 1911 trigger, enlarge the trigger guard and make it 800 or less. They'd move product.

[@ChuckSneed88]

Sort of what they did with the DWX (CZ owns Dan Wesson too) but not exactly and it certainly cost more than 800

[@flavortown3781]

You want a DWX,

[@alexanderm8880]

@flavortown3781 Yes, just in polymer and at a price lower than a mortgage payment :p

[@alexanderm8880]

@ChuckSneed88 Yeah, I think my idea would cost way less since it'd require a lot less tooling and use parts that're already in their inventory

[@misterchuck6866]

if they can do it for 1200ish, its a good idea

[@ericmckinley7985]

Wow, no foolin'? I am shocked. Who could have predicted this unsatisfactory report

[@LeifyGuy]

Bro you missed the opportunity to plug that modern warriors sells the rmr plate on their website, with faster shipping than Springfield

[@BrassFacts]

fuck

[@modernwarriorsut]

True story

[@Sleepy7666]

​@@BrassFacts sounds of a man who dun goofed. 😂 It's okay Nova loves you... But she doesn't sponsor you. 😝

[@trey0001069760]

Came for the gun review, stayed for Nova.

[@qpeghnl97x]

The fact that the one and only thing everyone on the Focus Tripp Hopfacts / XA LLC livestream could agree on was that the Springfield Prodigy is a piece of shit, should tell you everything you need to know.

[@raifsevrence]

The moral of the story is, if you don't have a stupid amount of disposable income but you want a competition grade pistol, buy a CZ shadow. 1911 are boutique nonsense.

[@wishuhadmyname]

The CZ-75 is still one of the smoothest pistols I've ever shot, so I can only imagine how great the newer CZ pistols feel/perform

[@stickman-actual9454]

I work at a gun store and 7 people who've owned Prodigy's came in. Six of them said for the money it cost to fix they could have bought a Staccato and saved money. The 7th person said they had no issues with theirs.

[@PnP-td1mt]

This is accurate

[@The_SmorgMan]

Has the 7th person shot their pistol?

[@ce2987]

The problem with buying a staccato is you still have a rack grade gun that isn’t exactly what you want.

[@PnP-td1mt]

@@ce2987 you clearly don’t own 1..

[@jimh4949]

I did a video on everything I had to do to my 4.25 prodigy, for the money I could have bought a cheaper one and did the same thing to them and come out cheaper.

[@Mustard_Face]

Maybe by 2111 we’ll have decent 2011’s

[@basedWisco715]

Triple stack 1911s when?

[@beasthayabusa1999]

Work at a gun store. All of these come back as used, and all of them, even factory new, have issues. Usually with the optics or irons just not staying put. It’s wild

[@lordhuck2689]

I think in 2025 there isn’t a single Springfield product that doesn’t have a better alternative from a better company. Springfield’s stuff is fine, there’s just always a better choice.

[@nef36]

Does anyone else make an M14 repro?

[@gavinmullet688]

@@nef36Fulton Armory

[@PlatinumKrown]

@@nef36 Not for the price of an M1A that's for sure.

[@nef36]

@@PlatinumKrown Yeah but like who makes it

[@PlatinumKrown]

@ Fulton Armory for one, they start above $3k and go up from there.

[@Drewler]

I’m just here for the Nova footage tucked in every video.

[@danielmac7738]

Hey mate. Met you at ShotShow (was the brit in the ground floor of the venetian, gave you a fancy metal business card. Hope you still have it! ) Keep up the great work.

[@BrassFacts]

the cocaine card!

[@Roxas13XIII]

So essentially you're buying a 2011 frame with placeholder parts that just *happen* to be somewhat usable.

[@mcd0ndal]

Ship of Theseus 2011

[@frankensteinfirearms]

Running a Tisas Nightstalker 1911 DS with a YHM R9, no malfunctions 1K rounds in, both suppressed and unsuppressed, much better luck than I had with the prodigy

[@wdiv]

This makes me feel better. I've got 3k rounds through my Tisas NS DS with no issues and thought about grabbing a prodigy for fun but I guess it's platypus next 🤔

[@outrider212]

Now I want to see you get your paws on the Platypus bull barrel and have your way with it. Lotta hype on that gun.

[@PrimaryAndSecondary]

The brass (not Brock) is just dribbling out, not ejected clear of the gun.

[@ryennino5470]

thank the gun lords that my prodigy 1.0 has had 0 issues to date with about 2500-3000 rounds of various range ammos and hollow points and only had one failure to go into battery and that was in the first few magazines.

[@2ATaq]

Me too, it’s been great.

[@PnP-td1mt]

I find it unlikely that you have that many rounds on yours. I work on these guns regularly. 1-6 a month. Safeties falling out is a major issue. If they do manage to stay in there is a noticeable gap between the frame and safeties. Under recoil sprung, over main sprung, not timed correctly..

[@2ATaq]

@@PnP-td1mt I’m closer to about 1500 rounds on mine but yea it’s been good so far. Hoping not to jinx it now 😂

[@gayfawkes8469]

@@PnP-td1mtI find it unlikely that you work on that many a month. Unless you meant that you see 1 every 6 months.

[@Longshot762x51]

I had to gut mine and install EGW and Atlas parts. Runs like a champ now.

[@henrygardner4150]

How are you enjoying stalker? My only complaint is now I have a thirst for outdated, elusive soviet guns like never before.

[@BrassFacts]

well I went down the AK pipeline because i played to much stalker. So that's been (not) great

[@PerFecTD0P3B01]

@@BrassFactsyou play stalker gamma? 👀👀 or just stalker 2?

[@Redacted_Actual_]

@@BrassFacts I've been really enjoying Stalker 2. I'm a loot goblin and I like exploring EVERYTHING, so I'm still on my first play through. 😆

[@BrassFacts]

@@PerFecTD0P3B01 so far only 2 players throughs on anomaly, and 1 on gamma.

[@PerFecTD0P3B01]

@@BrassFacts just glad you played it! Should do a playthrough on the secondary channel 👀 No balls you won’t do an invictus run.

[@spartan0771]

My family has always liked the imported croatian guns, we all have problems with the glock grip angle. But Springfield in and of itself is kind of a joke. If PSA can make a quality M14 I would never consider ever buying another Springfield product again.

[@barneymaloney9551]

Kind of nice to get an honest review on this one. Hats off sir.

[@LackLusterMedia]

I have a few 1911s and 2011s. My DS9 is my favorite, but man.... I put a steel grip on a 5" prodigy, gutted the internals, and did a marvel cut to the slide and it RUNS. It now has cost more than the DS9 though..... which I've done nothing to as it's my EDC.

[@medikpac7105]

I know there's a bazillion comments like this already but if you wanna keep going down this road, check out the Tisas B9R DS line. It's like the prodigy that you likely have to gut them to get them running flawlessly. But the entrance fee is $500, not $1300.

[@timbailey6548]

Makes sense. I bought one and haven’t had any problems but I did buy a tool less guide rod before taking it out to the range. I’ve shot about 1200 round no issues only my optic coming loose which I have had to retorque and cleaned the threads. I’m think they definitely sold you a lemon. I’m not trying to boast that I haven’t had any problems. I think it really comes down to the quality control

[@AlexBaldwin440]

And I was just talking to a buddy about wanting to pick up a Prodigy Compact. Never mind. Thanks Brock.

[@weezem]

Get a Shadow 2 Compact and don't look back.

[@blue_ridge_shooting762]

Springfield would have fixed this thing by now if they weren't still selling them hand over fist. They're making enough money on them to not need to fix them

[@BrassFacts]

anyone that has their hand in big box stores like scheel, sportsman etc. are just making levels of money that we can't even dream of.

[@johnniefranchize2701]

Had the same issue on the prodigy when I first bought one sent back to Springfield twice in about a month and a half after that sold it glad I did!

[@jorgenjorgensen656]

Thanks to the title I don't have to watch the video

[@BrassFacts]

glad to save you some time

[@ElSap0Borrach0]

Friends don't let friends buy Prodigys!!

[@josecook1]

I steered clear of the prodigy when it was first released for obvious reasons. I have now bought 3 prodigy's within the last year including the comp models. Flawless. Love em...& yes,I've owned a few staccato's P

[@counterfeit6089]

2011 hype baffles me

[@J.Panxer]

Agree. FNp/x, HK, and any number of producers had the high capacity 45 problem solved decades ago.

[@medikpac7105]

They shoot great. That's all there is to it. I've been through the CZ/ Glock/ Beretta gambit, 2011s just shoot better. I don't understand why, but it is what it is.

[@rondobrondo]

@@J.Panxer Oh man, the HK 45 is so good. I think that might be the greatest .45 today outside of some of the high tier 2011's or some other specialized race guns

[@theemikeymike]

I got the 5 inch 2 years ago and never had problems. I got the plate a discount with a coupon code and I never had any problems. I run Gen 2 sti mags, Gen 3 staccato and the duramag it cones with none have issues. I swapped the ignition kit and grip to improve trigger reach and an extra short flat trigger all was easy and works. The safety is complete hot garbage and I NEED to swap it out. Sucks to see others struggle when I’m running flawlessly and loving the gun.

[@geebeaux]

Im for sure one of those 5% that bought in for the slide, frame & barrel. Both of mine run good with Atlas & EGW guiderods. My optic cut is also a nice fit. I gambled & got lucky.. twice.

[@sectorseven07]

Always like to see some integrity and not just blatant grift from guntube. It's appreciated.

[@MadCow-mb3fw]

I like HS Product (however you spell that) but Springfield is the slimy middleman claiming the heritage of an American arsenal

[@anthonymangas368]

It’s 2025 , unless you don’t actually shoot more than 2x a year, we can agree anything from Springfield is a probably not worth the headache.

[@flopus7]

2 thoughts: 1) 1911s have at this point reached the price point of striker fired pistols so it's insane that 1300 doesn't buy you a decent 2011. 2) Crimson Trace still makes a doctor footprint red dot. I know this because my acog has a doctor plate

[@havoctwoone]

For $1400 the platypus is literally right there.

[@basedWisco715]

It’s ugly lol

[@nateeller2683]

The secret to good 2011's is to sell them and buy functioning guns, or buy a chambers custom 2011.

[@darthjoshua6663]

You don’t need to get a chambers to get one that works. Isn’t chambers like over 10k? Sure the thing runs like a sewing machine and is accurate as all get out and is fitted with the best tolerances imaginable. But that’s like saying you need a Ferrari when to go to the grocery store. Wilson combat has a phenomenal 2011 style gun that uses non 2011 magazines. Staccatos seem to function just fine, and with their HD guns they seem like they’ll likely run better than a chambers.

[@nateeller2683]

@darthjoshua6663 just jokes friend, just jokes. I've always been a striker gun guy. I appreciate 19/2011s just don't have the skills to leverage the advantage they give the shooter.

[@darthjoshua6663]

@ I knew it was a joke. But I got carried away lol. If these HD guns are actually shooters then I’ll probably finally buy a 2011 though

[@Dev.B-wr1ly]

Since you have opened the door on cheap 2011s, you should give the tisas 2011 a try or the bull armory 2011s

[@BrassFacts]

I already reviewed a bull 2011

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

He just reviewed the Tisas 2011 in the video you’re watching right here.

[@NiSE_Rafter]

​@@rifleshooterchannel208The difference is Tisas actually runs and is like $500-$600 less. At least mine does. Is it a good gun though? Ehh. Rough around the edges is how I describe it.

[@medikpac7105]

Tisas and Prodigy are in the came category: "once I gut it I will have a very nice pistol" If you're gonna do that anyways, why not do it to a $500 tisas over a $1300 prodigy?

[@DanielGarcia-rg3nd]

If I recall mine you had to insert the optic plate front end first because it had a slight taper to the cut. I don’t have a comp model but I had issues initially and they replaced the recoil spring. It runs fine now if you keep it clean and lubed. If I shoot a match and put it away dirty the next match it will not run, but I know that going in so I clean it before every match.

[@cokedaz]

Even us in Europe are stuck with Docter pattern, other than a 10+ year old Vortex Venom, the rest are even worse, and the only new optic for the pattern is the Burris Fastfire 4, which I don't think is meant to be that great. And not a single large window dot available. I wish we could have better standardization.

[@montevallomustang]

I am so glad i went with the tisas over the prodigy. Granted, the tisas has its own quirks it actually functions as a gun and not just an Instagram model😂

[@sleigh4019]

Shot the 600$ tisas and the 1200$ Springfield and the Tisas seemed to run better .. But there not the same as 2900-4800 hand built 2011 ..period .. Have to say the Tisas seems like a solid value for what you get

[@surratt95]

“Good 2011s” Hahhaha. Oxymoron

[@XBilkoX]

Did this guy just insinuate he's smarter than Springfield because he swapped parts 😂

[@Slapshot2893]

If you want a cheap 2011 that actually works just go for the Tisas

[@hopewilliams6705]

And now that they added a large chunk port it's going to work a lot better!

[@Darth_Smittious]

Guess I won the prodigy lottery. Both of mine work. I did gut my 4.25 with infinity parts. Also refit the safety. My compact 3.5 has been fine so far. I shoot new factory 115 to 147 grain 9mm only.

[@somerando3718]

I’ll never know what possessed my local boomer gun shop owner/employees to shill Springfield as much as they do

[@Sirikid]

sounds like a bad gun to buy new, but a good gun to buy used

[@raifsevrence]

Spoiler Alert: most guntubers are not to be believed. Buy a CZ Shadow 2 and move on. Forget about the obsolescent 1911 platform.

[@davidwithers7181]

I have the shadow 2 or, bul-armory edc, and my son has the ts2 orange. My bul-armory is FAR better than the shadow 2. Granted my bul is basically double. The plate system is better, recoil better. The bul having 2011 holster compatibility makes a huge advantage too. Ts2 orange is marginally better, but has no holster availability.

[@johncrash13]

With all the problems you stated with the springfield, I found similar results online. Mushy/overtravel safties, trigger creep, usless adapter, and some mim parts breaking. So I saved like $700 and got the better gun, got the tisas B9R, sent it to get ported, tossed on an eps.As long as you can gargle the fact that it's made in turkey, its the shit. Look into it, Brock.

[@Tikka183]

Seconding for the turkatto. Every part in them is forged and it's much cheaper than the Prodigy in addition to actually functioning out of the box. Got the 5" version, put a threaded barrel with a Griffin Armament ez-lok mount with one of their thread protector/micro comp things (not a very effective comp), cut a disconnector ramp on the bottom of the breach face, polished all the friction points, and threw in a full length guide rod and an 11lb recoil spring I had laying around and it shoots like a dream. I'm not a particularly good shooter, but I can watch the dot in the EPS through the whole recoil cycle and it comes to rest pretty much where it started, which coming from a Para double stack in .45 ACP is an extremely pleasant shooting experience. Next on the list is putting in a trigger with pre travel and overtravel adjustment and dialing in exactly how I want the trigger to feel. If you are to the point where the plan is to replace everything in the Prodigy, just start with a cheaper gun.

[@DesertAnon1295]

Not to be that guy but isn’t the b9r 9+1 for capacity?

[@Tikka183]

@DesertAnon1295 The original was, yes, but there is also the B9R DS. It takes Staccato mags, and the OEM mags that come with it are made by checkmate, who also makes the mags for Staccato. That was one of the big draws of it to me. I originally wanted a Platypus for glock mags, but realized that at this point a very large percentage of the guys I know were shooting Staccatos or Prodigies (that they did extensive work on) and mag quality and compatibility wasn't really an issue anymore.

[@SS-tr5ru]

My mac9 ds has been more reliable than most prodigy’s

[@Chubzic.]

- Hey, Brass, did you know that this pistol you brought is actually not working? - How do you know that, Nova? 11:51 - So I've heared...

[@sacks_backpack]

I had to rack my prodigy about 10,000 times to wear down the cerakote on the inside of the slide. now it's my favorite gun, and have shot 3750 rounds without a malfunction. From the factory the gun was a nightmare

[@tactikoolcloud8788]

Friends 4.25” prodigy just broke the ejector retaining screw after a few thousand rounds. Springfield did warranty it and turn around time was just over a week. Aside from that it has been reliable aside from occasional/rare feeding issues which we attributed to a very high grip and riding the slide.

[@thePreparedFather]

Ive seen over 50 prodigys the beginning one and the C run incredibly reliably.

[@Sheppard2030]

Thank you for the considerations. 👍👍

[@HeaperMW]

The coating is one big issue of the prodigy (matches the issue with optic plates fitment). The rails are also coated and as its getting worn in a lot of black gunk builds up and slows down the slide. I broke mine in by racking it about 1000 times, cleaning and lubrication every 200 cycles. Runs without hickups so far. Will still change some parts over time (trigger, guiderod,…), because i like tinkering and improving things. If thats you, the prodigy might be great for you. If you want to buy a gun, that works out of the box, definitly not.

[@joshloper8831]

I got one knowing it probably wouldn’t work. I enjoy tinkering, found one for a good deal, and basically ship of Theseus’d the shit out of it. After replacing everything but the frame, slide, and barrel, I finally got it to run like a normal 2011.

[@chrisgoober712]

Chat, is springfield cooked?

[@BrassFacts]

maybe, but your brain most certainly is.

[@chrisgoober712]

@@BrassFacts thats crazy

[@FuckGoogle69420]

@@chrisgoober712 Roasted

[@CHAOSTACTICAL]

Nope

[@pinkeypie1966]

My brain too, BrassFacts, my brain too

[@elsenorloco84]

Id rather buy a tisas 1911 , or a girsan high power clone with rail and optic cut

[@newdefsys]

Man, 1911s never change. First you pay the premium of just buying one, then you have a bunch of gunsmithing work done on it, including replacing the internals, _and_ _then_ you have a gun that will actually work. Its the gun for people that hate money.

[@FuckGoogle69420]

"...and then you have a gun that will actually work most of the time as long as you keep it super clean and run ammo it likes in it."* FTFY

[@Barnes-ml9wg]

Spoken like someone who's never owned a good 1911

[@DocMitchell69]

@@Barnes-ml9wg I mean if you gotta spend $2k to get a good one….

[@perpetualconfusion5885]

The prodigy isn't a good 1911

[@perpetualconfusion5885]

​@@DocMitchell69the Tisas 1911 runs like a fucking beast, it's just meh fit and finish.

[@LeifyGuy]

Springfield makes a doctor footprint optic, that's why it ships with that plate

[@BrassFacts]

well, that's worse not better haha.

[@sidanx7887]

Yeah I got them all three as project guns - once you rip out all the parts send to Chambers to have the whole system possibly reworked you got yourself a pretty good pistol

[@NavyPistoleer]

I got a prodigy 5 inch for a trade with one of my other guns. I think it’s fun replacing, and polishing all of the small parts and hand fitting it myself, to learn more about the platform

[@josephtardio1086]

I impulse bought a Prodigy w/ their in-house red dot last year (the non composted model). The thumb safety fell off after me flipping it up and down maybe 5x. I sent it back to Springfield and they fixed it. I've not shot it once. It's a $1,500 paper weight.

[@Kentucky.Tactical]

Check out the Tisas B9R DS. You'll be pleasantly surprised with it. Much better double stack 1911 than the Prodigy.

[@bearlee_accurate]

Can’t wait for the BrassFacts Staccato HD video. I don’t trust anyone else to not be shilling.

[@brownmangaming1529]

I bought a prodigy comp 5” and before even shooting it swapped all Springfield parts with atlas/egw/night hawk ones. Shoots great now and has a 2.2 lb trigger😂

[@ISZAudio]

Honestly replacing all those parts is absolutely the move. First thing I did when i got mine was to get a c&s hammer/sear, atlas rod, atlas trigger, and have my gunsmith go ham on polishing and fitting. Cost me maybe 300$ in parts and labor (which, with my discount on the gun itself about evened out to standard pricing), and I have something that now runs impeccably. Absolutely shameful it doesn't ship with higher quality parts, because it really is a really solid firearm otherwise.

[@Vaden8ter]

Funny I was so close to pulling the trigger and getting into 2011’s… prodigy was where my heart was set. (hellcat is my edc and only experience with Springfield) I came so close a few times but my confidence wasn’t there so I passed it up. I ended up with a cz sp01 tactical and God I couldn’t be happier. First CZ and I absolutely love it. So no 2011 for me just yet, maybe in the future when a reasonably priced good quality unicorn drops… until then I’ll save my scrilla for something worthy

[@triggerbarPhD]

And if you are going to gut it. Why not get the Tisas for 1/3 of the price? All the parts from EGW and Atlas work on a Tisas B9R carry. I hear people saying hey look, I want the platform and I'll do the work. But at that point why not get a cheaper starting platform?

[@BrassFacts]

the prodigy shoots really well. Like really well.

[@triggerbarPhD]

@ Awesome! But the Tisas is direct milled for RMSC/EPS so you don't have to deal with a plate that will break at some point. So lower sitting dots and fewer points of failure.

[@whiskeyactual.]

All the parts you replaced is what I generally replace on a 1911/2011 platform anyways. Though it seems many people have no issues with the original SA mags.

[@jacobstewart3428]

I'm much too poor for these problems. Whatever issues the tisas 1911ds has in store for me is my future

[@wdiv]

Get ready to have no issues cus I love mine. Ironically, half of my mags are prodigy mags and also run fine 😂

[@chadkhl1690]

9:57 I swear Owen Wilson was in that review

[@BrassFacts]

it was him, that cameo cost me 2000 dollars. Money well spent.

[@FierceMouse]

Wow

[@heyhayhay247]

At that point, just buy a Platypus. That first optics plate gets you to a base Platypus, but you're still stuck buying expensive mags.

[@whatwouldlewdo]

I own two Prodigies, and neither gun gave us a single issue (as far as reliability goes). I went in depth in our review regarding some of the quality control issues we had, but again, there were no issues with reliability...unless you count the brief fiasco we had with crappy Winchester white box ammo. 😏

[@Murphy82nd]

I bought a regular Prodigy about a year after release. I also had a poorly fitted safety that was next to impossible to disengage if you tried to use it left handed, as you might an ambidextrous safety. My slide would hang up on the disconnector when going forward. Lastly mine would not reliably feed hollowpoints, HST, as it came from the factory. I sent it in and Springfield improved both the safety and did a fair amount of work trying to improve feeding reliability, including reaming the chamber, polishing the barrel and chamber, and refitting the barrel. It turned out that Springfield could have saved themselves a fair amount of money, because even with that work it still wouldn’t reliably feed hollowpoints. The issue was actually 1 of the 2 magazines itself. That gets me to a sticking point for me. The Prodigy was a collaborative effort between Springfield, Checkmate for the magazines, and Agency for the optics system. But no one seemingly wants to accept responsibility. When I figured out the issue with feeding was actually a magazine problem I contacted Springfield to see if they could get me a replacement. They ghosted me. When I contacted Checkmate about it at first they seemed excited to replace it, asked the production date of my Prodigy, and then also ghosted me. The ghosting continued to Agency for what became my biggest frustration and reason for selling the pistol: the optic plate. My optic plate would come loose within 200 rd without fail. I would degrease the threads, apply Loctite 243 or Vibra-Tite VC-3 (tried each separately over my ownership), torque to spec using a torque wrench, let it cure for 24 hr, and then shoot. The plate always came loose. I have had over a dozen optics equipped pistols. This was the only one that did this. I’ll add whereas in this video the plate needed fitting mine fit sloppily. I wish it had needed fitting. Whether it was the fault of the plate or the person who milled my slide recovering from a long night out, I finally got tired of it and sold the pistol. I did contact Agency at one point to see if they could offer any advice and they, you guessed it, ghosted me. I now have a Staccato P and a C2. I have had no issues with either with 4000 rd through the C2 and 1000 rd through the P. I like the aesthetics of the Prodigy and honestly the trigger wasn’t bad and the recoil sensation was similar to the Staccato. I like shooting it when it worked. But in my case the durability wasn’t there. I’ll add all of this was over only 1100 rd. That’s not what I would call a lot of shooting to experience all of those issues.

[@LuvBorderCollies]

Checkmate is not my first choice for any magazine. IIRC they made a lot of defective M9 mags for the military. Floorplates like to fall off. My brother found out in Mogadishu and my son-in-law found out at Camp Lejeune about 4 years ago.

[@bigtex919]

I have the 5” comped prodigy. I would agree with quite a few of the issues. I bought the gun to upgrade it. Haven’t done anything so far but I have 1500ish rounds through it and no malfunctions. But like the video says it’s not perfect; not even close. However if you know how to tinker with guns it could be right for you.

[@Eaglefirearms]

I’m one lucky one. I have the prodigy4.25 and ran 1700 rounds threw it not one problem I live shooting it. But 1 problem that drives me nuts that makes me not buy another one or the stupid optics plate it will always get loose after 300 plus rounds I’m always having to tighten the screws annoying.

[@gregbagel791]

Ever thought of lock tight?

[@Eaglefirearms]

@@gregbagel791I’ve used lock tight still it decided to loosen up

[@CasGRos]

Can we sometime get a 10min video of nova as a treat. The pistol is interesting but I don't think I need one in general but still a nice video

[@venomgt7299]

Awesome review. Well, the Prodigy Comp is now off the table😂

[@josephkerking8638]

For some reason I thought this video was going to be about the Springfield Echelon, and was really confused why you were talking about 2011s for so long during the intro. I am taking Heat Transfer, Controls, and Structural Mechanics all at the same time so my brain is *fried*, which probably explains it lol

[@JulianLares]

Call it what you want but the MAC 2011 done by Tisas does everything the prodigy does at $600 less. And you don't need to buy an adapter. And that's not because the Tisas model is fantastic, it's that the prodigy is on the same build quality as production line 2011s. And, to my knowledge, no MIM bs.

[@lambchop777]

So brock should I just buy a Tisas DS and just deal with the RMSC optic instead?

[@Vie29992]

What is the allure of 2011s? There’s a bunch of far cheaper, and far more proven steel 9mms on the market. The CZ75 and Sig P226 families come to mind

[@codydeese-s8o]

Babe wake up, new Brass Facts just dropped

[@Ksweezy96]

I bought the same thing a few months back to see if they really did suck... heres what i noticed with mine. It did NOT like 115gr ammo, failures to extract, didn't lock back. Ran 124s and Hornady Critical Dutys exclusively (my carry ammo) and runs fine now. Stock mags (i think duramags?) It hated it. Forked out the cash for some atlas mags and continued to run. threw those in the trash. Safety is spongey like yours but works fine, i can live with it. Other than that, I'm really enjoying mine, ill be snagging a toolless guiderod for mine and I think ill be done with mine. A few hickups but really happy with mine but again... sample size of one

[@gurkagurkadurka6688]

I love my prodigy. It runs like a tack driver. Of course... I had to spend about 400 bucks to get it there after I bought it but.... 😟 My armorer said the main issue with the original prodigy was the cerakote. He said they poured it on so thick it inhibited the reliable function of the firearm. He cleaned that out, dropped a new trigger group, and a couple mim parts and voila! A 1,700 dollar gun that shoots like a 3,000 dollar gun. I love it. But I would buy something else if I had it to do again. Probably a Stacatto. Maybe a Bul. Or maybe I would just forego the 2011 entirely and go with a nice tuned CZ TS.

[@MagnumMuscle1000]

For Prodigy money you can buy a Platypus that works.

[@rayharlow8920]

I would love for you to review the Fusion XP Pro. Heard good things about it so far. Trying to decide between that or the platypus.

[@JMark-zk5pj]

WRONG! I'M THE FIRE STARTER!

[@tm1182]

One of my coworkers has one of these, he loves it and hasn't had any issues at all. I haven't shot it but the fit and finish was impressive for an SA product. From what I've been seeing it seems like they are very hit or miss and luckily my coworker got a great one. I don't feel like gambling with 1.3k though so I'll vicariously enjoy it through him.

[@PeterReid1993]

Better to spend that 1.3k on something that actually runs. If you want hammer fired deliciousness I recommend a sig P226 or a CZ-75.