Brazil's Other MBT, the MB-3 Tamoyo | Cursed by Design

[@ConeOfArc]

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[@patrickstrijker7574]

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[@diymicrobiology378]

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[@ConeOfArc]

@@diymicrobiology378 Yes! I have a PO box address in the description just for that sort of thing.

[@yuurichito1439]

Change one more letter and this would be a tomboy wholesome girl instead of a tank (if you know what i mean)

[@felipemedina1634]

Thanks for the vídeo about the Osório and the tamoyo, we have anoter projects that were cursei by design, like the engesa ee-18 sucuri 1 and 2

[@MonkeyJedi99]

This seems less Cursed by Design than Cursed by Committee.

[@pioneer_1148]

I had the same thought. Though I'm dubious about the armour. On 30 tonnes I doubt it would have stood up to much - it seems like they'd have been better off going the Leopard 1 route of autocannon protection only

[@prd6617]

@@pioneer_1148 i assume it is their goal, going to mobility route on tamoyo than armor on ozorio

[@Arthion]

@@prd6617 Given that armoured vehicles in South America are pretty light on average compared to other regions it would probably have been quite sufficient for the competition. Shame they discarded it and let the firm shut down since having the skill and experience to design and build something like that on their own doesn't come easily and takes a lot of time to regain if they ever want a domestic design again.

[@ivorynargie]

Dont be surprised by it, somehow this feels normal here lol

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Is that not most tanks

[@korbell1089]

Brazilian Army: "Don't worry about interchangeability!" Also Brazilian Army: "We don't want it because there is no interchangeability!"

[@alessandrogomesaraujo4206]

Basicaly , the 1964 to 1990 years was not the best to us (brazilian here), until this day i ask some older military menbers about the Osorio and Engesa and nobody could understand the bail out from osorio and buy the leopard

[@JORGE_BRASILEIRO]

@@alessandrogomesaraujo4206 na realidade a queda do osório foi um dos maiores frutos da interferencia norte-americana no Brasil

[@zordonbr.1091]

@@JORGE_BRASILEIRO verdade

[@JORGE_BRASILEIRO]

@@zordonbr.1091 Então né cara, o Exército Brasileiro tá é mal acostumado

[@zordonbr.1091]

@@JORGE_BRASILEIRO a verdade é que eu particularmente não boto mais fé se um dia conseguiremos ser uma nação independente, a política "Democratica" brasileira é absolutamente um fracasso

[@fullsetsunk4090]

So basically the army wanted a better tank with the same parts, then refused to accept it was impossible

[@HanSolo__]

They wanted it to utilize the same parts, among other silly requirements not possible to combine together. Then, they did not look at these aspects in another design. One the competition made. But, when the competition's design failed. They came back to the MB-3 Tamoyo. And, they started bitching again: "Why does not utilize the same old parts? And, why does it runs with another more powerful engine?"

[@firefaith2462]

This is Brazil lad. Unfortunately to this day such things still happening in other areas

[@WildTaco__]

Welcome to Brazil

[@magisterrleth3129]

Sounds like standard operating procedure for military procurement programs, yeah.

the idea is extract milk from stones.

[@BloodyCrow__]

Army: Use light tank parts on medium tank! Also Army: Why is it slow???

[@ethanryanmiranda5235]

The Tamoyo and the Osorio wouldve been one of the well known and capable tanks today, if only they continued the project along with modernization.

[@Jonathan.D]

Their tanks did very well in testing and in trials. When compared to the other tanks of the time it did as good or better. Unfortunately, countries looking to import tanks were afraid to go with a product from a country without a proven track record. The Brazilian tanks have better targeting systems than many of the tanks Russia has been using in Ukraine. If they had been able to continue they would probably have an MBT that is very competitive.

[@iterationfackshet1990]

Hell no, the Osirio took parts from all over that would’ve been hell on logistics and production. The Tamoyo is a medium tank, something that is dead and forgotten in the modern battlefield, with it being too heavy to fill the roles needed of light tanks and too light to fill the roles of a MBT. Both tanks are unsuitable for any modern military.

[@Jonathan.D]

@@iterationfackshet1990 So the actual experts are wrong and you are correct. 👌

[@iterationfackshet1990]

@@Jonathan.D the experts say that both tanks were dogshit. Most of the claims made about the Osirio such as surpassing the Abrams in Saudi tests were either complete lies or extensions of the truth by Brazilian nationalists. Ethan B. Kapstein stated that even though the Osirio’s technical capability was reportedly comparable to its contemporaries, there were doubts that the EE-T1 was commercially viable due to the heavy usage of imported parts, including the turret. The only thing about it that set it apart was its advanced fire control system, but that basically made it a Leopard 1 with better optics. It only surpassed the Abrams in some of the tests of the Saudi government. For the tamoyo I don’t even need to bring up any experts. The tank had a 90mm gun and no composite armor in the mid 80s. It didn’t even reach past the prototype phase and was basically an upgraded walker bulldog, not even modernized.

[@Jonathan.D]

@@iterationfackshet1990 At least you got one like. Even if it is your own.

[@l.ev.s6546]

Thanks for casting a light on our native ground vehicle industry, i wish we had this vehicle on the army on use, modernized. We have some left as prototypes.

[@rmfc_gaming9110]

Totalmente Concordo!! Infelizmente esses projetos não funcionam mais o futuro e cheio de surpresas! Só podemos esperar.

[@l.ev.s6546]

@@rmfc_gaming9110 Eu acredito que o Tamoyo pode ser resgatado, mas teorizando em cima dele para um novo blindado mas o Osório eu realmente acho impossível por que era muita parte estrangeira comparada ao Tamoyo

[@schaab7203]

i love brazil, create a project, ignore it after other company creates a better tank, than kill both companys. incredible

[@GuilhermeCarvalho-vr1ci]

thats normal here.

[@jigrodrigues]

Corruption, more corruption, sprinkled with corruption

[@schaab7203]

@@jigrodrigues O problema nesses projetos não foi corrupção, foi o mal gerenciamento desses materiais, falta de experiência e entendimento do assunto. As crises econômicas e o mercado internacional, que além do produto alterar o resultado, os acordos também alteram, exemplo o osório

[@jigrodrigues]

@@schaab7203 uma das principais facetas da corrupção é ter incompetentes com poder suficiente para gerir recursos.

[@xollynho96]

@@schaab7203 Bela foto de perfil

[@lucaalencar4577]

One Thing that is usually forgotten about such programs is that Brazil went from the late 70s up to the 90s a severe economic recession, buying weapons stopped being a priority and with the democratic opening that followed the army was left as untrustful and financial resources necessary to restore some kind of stability in the country, only after the 2000s would Brazil "have time" for new projects such as the Super Tucanos, Guaranis, IA2s, submarines gripens etc.. We simply had more important stuff to focus these resources on during these projects

[@echigokurogane8612]

Fun fact: World of Tanks console has a Brazilian Bulldog and it’s one of the oldest premium tanks in the game.

[@HIFLY01]

It came out 5 years after the game release tho

[@echigokurogane8612]

@@HIFLY01 From what information I’ve been able to find it’s been in the game for a very long time.

[@HIFLY01]

@@echigokurogane8612 console came out in 2010 and I don't see anything about the m41b coming out before 2015

[@echigokurogane8612]

@@HIFLY01 Indeed. The PS4 also released in 2015. So it’s definitely one of the oldest on those terms.

[@HIFLY01]

@@echigokurogane8612 thats just a port tho. I don't play ps but it isn't different from the ps3 version if there is much like the omxbox one version isnt different from the 360 version. Just a port

[@CreepSoldier]

Seens like that only the Brazilian Airforce managed to survive the administrative incopentency plague, having the A-29 Super Tucano and the Astros 2 system

[@7TPdwCzolgu]

Not even they survived very well, these projects were buyed by the United States

[@brazilmilitary2236]

The Astros system is from the army

[@galactic.vacuum_cleaner]

Astros is Rocket artillery, army

[@Shogun.c7777]

Maybe, because today they invest only around 1,1% of the GDP so... It won't be long before we become the weakest country, militarily, in Latin America

[@macury6159]

Foram vocês americanos que sabotaram o Brasil com o carto de combate Osório e a sub metealhadora URU que é Brasileira e .vocês copiaram o projeto fabricaram sem pagar os direitos para o Brasil .sugiro amigo estudar .sair do seu mundo de holyood e viver o mundo real .antes de falar oque nao sabe !

[@__Random_user_]

Not so long ago i found this tank and I was super amazed by it's look. It's in the top of my favourite tanks right next to the Leopard 1

[@offyourself3986]

No

[@schaab7203]

@@offyourself3986 ?

[@peterni2234]

@@offyourself3986 do it

[@offyourself3986]

@@schaab7203 off yourself and livestream it

[@offyourself3986]

@@peterni2234 triggered

[@M167A1]

I'm constantly impressed by the Brazilian Defense industry. Too bad their military is as political as our own..... In fairness it's hard to beat a good used car (tank) if you're on a budget.

[@anzaca1]

At least the US military are still actually successful.

[@hereisaname8567]

*looks at american light tank program*

[@prylosecorsomething3194]

@@anzaca1 successful is a bit of s stretch. We still haven't figured out how to beat a guerilla force

[@Aesoporific]

@@prylosecorsomething3194 You build an army to do a specific thing. You buy equipment, you train people, and you structure commands to do a specific thing. The US decided that the right way was to be able to *bully* several other world powers at once. In doing so they made an army that excels at the sort of fights seen in Ukraine today but doesn't do so hot against tactics specifically developed to counter it. An army that is structured, equipped, and trained specifically to defeat insurgents could be done. But then the US would struggle with conventional foes, rarely getting to the insurgency phase to begin with. Ideally some other power in NATO or the EU would build a counter-insurgency designed army and they would take over that sort of peacekeeping while the US continues to dominate the conventional opening phases of conflict.

[@yindy7762]

ty mate

[@drinkyourwater1039]

Brazil: we need a tank Brazil: *makes perfect military vehicle* Also Brazil: damn, guess it's too expensive *Abandons the project* _A few years later_ Brazil: we need a tank (Repeat)

[@randomcommenter027]

As a brazilian, this is fact😂

[@Shogun.c7777]

They invest only 1,1% of the GDP in the army

[@rmfc_gaming9110]

I'm part Brazilian and tanks to ConeOfArc with these informative videos he is educating me and other people about Brazil's military vehicles that I've would've never known. Unfortunately the Tamoyo project didn't work we can hope that the future shines an better light on Brazil's Tank's 🇧🇷🇺🇸❤

[@s_ckem6846]

The tamoyo tank is very cute. It’s one of those tanks that actually looks cute like the luchs and the bt7

[@bigneto95]

Don't forget the AMX ELC bis

[@zeroshikagure7997]

@@bigneto95 cute smoll and does a suicide charge

[@s_ckem6846]

@@bigneto95 thats right

[@comradeiosif2794]

The Tamoyo 3 looks like a more angular AMX-30.

[@HanSolo__]

I find it a high score for the design team. Knowing AMX-30 was a child of the best of the best tank manufacturers of all times.

[@purplenurp5590]

@@HanSolo__ lol the amx was a 70s mbt with no stabilized gun yeah the poeple who made that tank are not the best in the world

[@WeebLord69]

@@HanSolo__amx 30 garbage tank for the time it was made

[@GenJoseGhost]

I see thar ConeOfArc came to Brazil! A bunch of videos about Brazil. Keep them coming

[@Lisdexanfetamine]

Thanks for showing another GREAT brazilian army history 🇧🇷

[@lepmuhangpa]

So much potential & ambition these guys have. Sad to see them not come to fruition.

[@williammagoffin9324]

Killed by conflicting requirements, it must have the same engine and transmission as the M41 while at the same time being larger, better armored, have a bigger gun, and be as fast as the M41. You simply can't do that.

[@chiriematthieu]

For the tank wich crushed a car. You said you were able to determine it was not a tamoyo due to the shape of the rear and engine deck. But dude, just look at the roadwheel. Only 5 of them. All tamoyo got 6. ; )

[@blasekiller9733]

The initial picture we had was only the last two road wheels at the rear from which we determined it, only like a few days ago did cone find the picture of the whole vehicle in a newspaper. Before that we didnt even have a picture of the vehicle itself haha, just a text saying improved M41 and someone seem to have though that was the Tamoyo and not something like the M41C for some reason.

[@torresmus.terrificus]

recently this vehicle was restored along with the ee-t1 osório and other prototype or historic vehicles like the renault FT-17 and the FIAT ANSALDO L3/35 and then they paraded, I will leave the link of a video showing this kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqi0iX2herBrpac

[@HanSolo__]

Wow. MB-3 Tamoyo looks like a tank, while the Osorio more like a mock-up.

[@prizrak-br3332]

Although not proved there is a certain consensus in the military enthusiast community in Brazil that Engesa bought the army to undermine the Tamoyo project given the historic of curruption in our country and the amount oddities surounding the program.

[@gabrielneves6602]

A pior parte e que provavelmente é vdd. Vê a história do fuzil Lapa, qua a CBC, a fucking Companhia BRASILEIRA de Cartuchos sabotou os testes. Triste que no nosso país seja tudo jogo de poderes 😢😢

[@deandoe7813]

Hey, one day Brazil will overcome this, I have faith BC Brazilian folks r super cool imo

[@gabrielneves6602]

@@deandoe7813 thx man, but as a Brazilian I would hate to shatter ur hopes. People nowadays, not only in Brazil, bur all around the world, are extremely polarized in anything, and even more in politics, thus changing anything is really really hard

[@prizrak-br3332]

@@deandoe7813 Brazil is the country of the future, it is today as it was 50 years ago and as it will be in 50 years and onwards.

[@vuxluongw]

i sense sth was going on as well. i guess you can call it the 6th sense of people who are living in country with severe corruption/bureaucracy lmao

[@juracan8591]

So this would've been an actually real version of the Pentagon Wars: Brazilian Edition

[@danielstarseer8821]

Most impressive. This is definitely one of the more well-researched presentations on a vehicle (and its company's history, to some extent) that little is known about. Definitely going in the permanent bookmarks folder for posterity's sake. Absolutely well done.

[@powkung45]

And people wonder why USA won't let Boeing fail, or Canada won't let Bombardier fail... there's a lot of derivative value a nation gets from producing it's own aerospace and military hardware, even if it isn't top-of-the-line or competitive options exist

[@jujenho]

Unfortunately Brazil’s government did not have funds enough for neither Tamoyo nor Osorio. Tamoyo was an ideal tank for the Brazilian Army, enough for the South American theater, while Osorio was aimed at the international market, being at the same technological level of the main tanks of the world’s powers. As a result Brazilian fighting vehicles industry received a very serious blow, which almost killed it. Nobody will buy any weapon that is not operational in the original country.

[@lipelego22]

Here in Brazil we have such talented and well capable engineers and designers but it is a shame how our government and military won’t give a shit for that and stop any projects with stupid requirements or a ton of bureaucracy. The Tamoyo 3 would be an excellent addition to work with our Leopard 1’s in the field, and maybe we could build some LAV’s from its design

[@bigvicguevara]

Another excelent video, many thanks Cone.

[@NGabunchanumbers]

Brazil: *refuses to get tank made by brazilian company because it doesn't use enough american(m41) parts* Brazil then: *gets foreign model because they have no other domestic options*

[@oguzgonul2584]

brazilian army: we want this tank, and it should be like this also brazilian army: we dont want this tank even if its like this

[@paulfrantizek102]

Tamiya should make a kit of this so they can brag up a Tamoyo by Tamiya.

[@henriquemontalvao8492]

Tamoyo by Tamiya

[@paulfrantizek102]

@@henriquemontalvao8492 Thanks, nice catch.

[@henriquemontalvao8492]

@@paulfrantizek102 always glad to help people with my language

[@anonbefallen4807]

Dang that's too bad. I know it's wrong time period but it would be lit to see I Brazilian line come into World of Tanks. Osorio X Mb-3 Tomyo IX Mb-1 Tomyo VIII Bernardini X1A2 Carcara VII Bernardini X1A Carcara VI Brazilian M4 V Brazilian M3 Lee IV M3 Motor Deutz III Brazilian M3 II Brazilian Renault FT I

[@GuilhermeOliveira-ml3cj]

Thank god cone of arc notice us, thanks for the quality content :)

[@the7observer]

16:54 - they could have been restored to recheck their performance, since the army is looking for an MBT as they have released the requirements (although I have serious doubt that it will go forward due to the economic condition of Brazil)

[@kakakiri2601]

Brazilian Leopard 1 but they get slapped by the Osorio

[@HanSolo__]

Have you even watched the video?

[@andreinarangel6227]

Brazil's infrastructure is such that a light or medium tank is the sole option (and best). Argentina also reached the same conclusion, thus the TAM.

[@samiamrg7]

Whenever I see this video’s thumbnail, I think for a second that it says “Tomato.” I would love to see a line of tanks named after produce like that.

[@sparrow9990]

it looks like a ikv91 but not the regular one. it looks like the one with the 105

[@HanSolo__]

The flat-front gun mount fitted Ikv 91-105 was not the real production thing. It is in War Thunder (or World of Tanks, sorry, I know I don't play games.) More like a trial piece.

[@Axemantitan]

5:00 I assume you meant the Marder from Germany. The TAM (Tanque Argentino Mediano/Argentine Medium Tank) is from Argentina.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

I love how the CTEX's design concept for the new medium tank looks like a GI Joe vehicle.

[@cyberfrank-bx2nv]

yeah, the mobat, I thought the same bro.

[@colchronic]

Bernandini sounds like something a jawa would say

[@owenbillo5513]

I never knew what the Brazilian roundel looked like until now but I think it's my favourite now

[@juliusdream2683]

Good video. Very in depth you did a great job of researching these vehicles. Well done 👍🏼.

[@ODSTOninersIxTwO]

The money spent on development was nothing compared to the MBT-70 and XM1 and they still rejected it.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

It's funny the ultimate iteration used a Detroit 8V-92, since from the beginning of the video I thought to myself they should of upgraded to that same engine.

[@drumminggoose444]

There’s probably a reason countries don’t willingly use walker bulldogs when they can afford new tanks…

[@PaulMcElligott]

Yes. They haven’t been produced since 1954, so you can’t get new ones, and if you want something more modern, then you need to look elsewhere.

[@samwill7259]

Oh no, we've been tricked, he's taking us to brazil!

[@Spyder7051]

Hold up, I look at the thumbnail only to think and say, WHO MADE THE M41 BULLDOG A HEAVY?!

[@yindy7762]

r/suddenlycaralho, i'm glad brazil isn't a country witch enter in wars evertytime, but man i would love to see brazil having a fucking functional army

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

Sometimes I think we will be a great country.. but then I see mayor candidates in little villages buying all votes like there is no tomorrow and hope vanishes again

[@assidiq178]

Friendly reminder brazil also has X1A light tank with 90 mm gun which based on M3 Stuart

[@l.deanficarro853]

So many great videos, thank you ConeOfArc. This one was very informative, interesting and to some degree also made me want for a Brazilian tech-tree in WoT. If only there was a Brazilian tech-tree in development… Cone, tell your boys to kick WG in the rump on this one! Thanks for the great content.

[@PeixeDePeruca]

Cone, please continue this series about Brazilian tanks🙏🙏😍

[@pedrokize]

I am from Brazil and we are very proud of the Brazilian armaments industry of the 70's and 80's. Projects such as the rattlesnake and the urutu gained international notoriety. Osorio mbt and tamoio unfortunately never went into production.

[@ummapperseparatista7552]

Cara mesmo seu comentario sendo paia eu concordo que os tanques dos anos 70 e 80 eram mt pika mas tambem temos que lembrar do contexto brasil tinha acabado de sair do golpe militar o novo governo estava mais preocupado com a reorganização da maquina pública do que com suas fronteiras

[@pedrokize]

@@ummapperseparatista7552 A velho com certeza era outro mundo e outro contexto não quero compara com nenhuma outra época . Mas que a década de 70 e 80 mostrou que os engenheiros e o parque industrial brasileiro poderia competir com produtos no mercado internacional isso mostrou

[@BlackTemplar679]

This is the definition of “hold on, this whole operation was your idea”

[@megamagner618]

Hope in the future you gonna review more Latin-America tanks like Nahuel DL-43.

[@liladoodle]

The DL-43 wasn't Latin-American. It was made by Argentina.

[@notkazerad564]

Argentina is a latin american country

[@arturThe17]

@@liladoodle Ah yes, I guess Argentina is in Africa

[@JORGE_BRASILEIRO]

Interesting fact: the MB-3 version III was configured to use ERA.

[@pigeon5520]

a lot of brazillian history,but hey! I'm not complaining :D

[@UselessNekoGang]

We gotta get all these variants in war Thunder. Idk which tree they’d put them in, but I think they’d be fun.

[@nicolassullivan5577]

A Brazilian tech tree, perhaps? I believe they have enough vehicles for a tree, from Stuart to Osório, it would even be possible to make a family of wheeled vehicles, for example, the cascavel to the 30 mm guarani

[@christiantosumbung5791]

The amount spent for the prototypes are astoundingly cheap for what they got.

[@HelminthCombos]

how the hell did they expect to make a good new tank using parts from a really old tank is beyond me.

[@HueWave]

[UPDATED] The dream of a Brazilian tank lives on still and we are looking at interesting times in this decade for Brazilian armor with the 100 years of tanks and 200 years of independence this year and many modernization programs. As of 2019 the army started a study called GT Nova Couraca "Testing Group New Armor" and it was a big study to completely overhaul the army vehicles, and it looked on everything from cascavel to leopard 1 modernization and replacement, to new areas such as proper IFVs and smaller vehicles, and in 2021 these ideas are shaping into reality as the army officially opened a Tender and requisition program for the modernization of the Cascavel, Leopard 1A5BR and the purchase OF A NEW 8X8 MGS system and dedicated IFV AND A NEW TANK alongside the modernizations. With the modernizations, the leo 1 modernization is currently being idealized but most of the requirements are already here (it includes overhauls on engine and suspension, new electronics, Night Vision and Thermal sights, electric turret drive, CITV for the commander, overhauled 105mm gun and new ammo to make it more usable and C4I interfaces and datalink, and I think they are considering APS for it but I cant be sure (this is waiting for the proper consortiums to be established so prototype work can begin) and for the cascavel the modernization list is already finished and the program is currently on the phase where the companies send prototypes for CTEx for trials (these include 2 consortiums made by Norinco and Equitron partnering together, and Ares Engineering with other Brazilian companies with ARES being a BR company with ties to Israeli ELBIT, the modernization list includes new suspension, engine, gun and ammo, electric turret drive, C4I interfaces, NV and Thermals and integrated ATGMs) and this is already on assembling proto phase. The IFV program is on the queue as the army is going 2 programs at a time so the budget doesnt get blown up but they are looking at the next gen IFVs that showed up in the last years (things like Lynx, AS21 Redback, Ajax, CV9040 and others) On the MGS 8x8 thing the program started in 2020 but became real in 2021 with the army releasing requirements and companies answering with the LAV700, Centauro II, Type-16, South Korean Tigon, Norinco ST-1, Boxer with a 105mm cockerill turret and other 10 companies that were not revealed to have answered, being considered among others like patria with their 8X8, but the most likely winner of this will be the centauro II with the centauro being made by Iveco and they have contracts with the army already with the Guarani (Based on the Iveco Super AV which also went to the USMC as the ACV) which is currently being built in brazil and exported to a few nations and the Iveco LMV being chosen as our new MRAP and also being built locally, plus the Centauro Shares parts with the guarani with suspension, powertrain and others being compatible between one another, and iveco already made offers for the army to build the Centauro II with the 120mm in the Sete Lagoas Plant where the guarani and LMV are built, this in my opinion will most likely award them the contract, most as the program will conclude in may 2022 with one of these 8x8s being chosen and the vehicles will get chosen in a contract with 4x being bought to get the troops trained already in 2022, and to form a new doctrine for them with other 215 being bought in the coming years (most being made locally). but the spiciest part is really the MBT, with the army wanting to buy enough numbers to replace most of our Leo 1A1BE, Leo 15BR and M60A3TTS numbers (so around 300 to 400 vehicles) and as expected this is the most expensive and lengthy program of all and as I mentioned above and also the most important of them all, the army is waiting for these other programs to finish or be near finishing so they can advance with tenders and tests for the new tanks, but most of the requirements have already been released so companies can answer, and these include but not limited to. 3 or 4 crew no more than 58 tons of weight 120mm cannon Hydropneumatic suspension armor capable of holding at the very least 800mm of penetration without failing but preferably more 3rd gen Night vision and thermal systems alongside new FCS, electronics and everything else being new too and these vehicles to have a degree of nationalization (this meaning some if not most parts being made locally or maintained locally without any need to ship tanks to outside the country for this) this program is being more methodically thought about and developed and in the meantime the programs above are happening as they cost less and are less complex. BUT HERE IS WHERE IT GETS VERY INTERESTING since 2020 Brazil has been looking at the Type-10 tank, with 2 visits made by the army high command and high rank tank school personnel to Fuji to take a look at the type-10 and see it in action on showcases and such plus talking with Japanese tank personnel who work on these vehicles, AND IN THE END OF 2021 the Japanese sent people from their army armor related circles to visit the Brazilian Armor school, where the Brazilian tank crews and other mil vehicle crews are trained and gather experience on armor usage and alongside that they visited the KWM (Kraus-Wegmann Maffei) army defense plants located in Santa Maria where the Leopards and M60s are maintained and overhauled and the army depots where the vehicles are stored and organized, this visit being focused on the Japanese looking for a more official defense cooperation with Brazil on many military areas and in specific armored vehicles for a possible cooperation (as they recently lifted their ban of exports on military material around 2017) and to see the status of the army infrastructure related to tanks and their usage here, this is huge news to the tank program as the Japanese and local army heads are interested in a more intimate cooperation between the Japanese and Brazilian defense industry, not to mention that the type-10 fits the army specs very well, almost as if they thought of it first then included other vehicles. But with that being said we have to wait what will happen in this decade as the army is in need of new vehicles in all areas and they are doing what they can to get everything set up and ready to keep the army in state of art for the following decades to come Here I will post sources for what i said here with links, information's and videos, (Portuguese but google web page translation should be very good for this) tecnodefesa.com.br/gt-nova-couraca-e-os-desafios-no-reequipamento-da-forca-blindada-eb/ tecnodefesa.com.br/gt-nova-couraca-e-o-futuro-carro-de-combate-do-eb-seria-o-fim-da-era-dos-mbt-super-pesados/ tecnodefesa.com.br/vbc-cav-lav-700-assault-gun-uma-opcao-moderna/ tecnodefesa.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/LAV700-4.jpg tecnodefesa.com.br/vbc-cav-8x8-exercito-divulga-o-cronograma-de-entrega/ tecnodefesa.com.br/vbc-cav-8x8-as-novidades/ tecnodefesa.com.br/vbc-cav-8x8-a-disputa-tem-inicio/ tecnodefesa.com.br/modernizacao-do-cascavel-anunciada-as-empresas-concorrentes/ tecnodefesa.com.br/modernizacao-do-cascavel-entrega-das-propostas-na-proxima-semana/ tecnodefesa.com.br/ares-e-a-modernizacao-dos-cascavel-e-leopard/ tecnodefesa.com.br/leopard-1a5-br-a-modernizacao-pode-estar-proxima/ Cascavel Leo 1 and 8X8 MGS related articles with army Press releases^ JGSDF guys visiting around in the army Armored Command Center kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6TPqXmmqbmneJo kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqnbmKuFrNuBfKs Army Chiefs press release about the 8x8 and Leo 1, sadly in PT-BR only but auto subtitles should suffice for the most kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHuyoaOFoNt3r9E another MBT related live about it with the same language deal kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJm4Z2OioLdshs0&t LAV 700 Here a link to IMGUR with army slides with requirements for the vehicles, which I translated imgur.com/a/1N0AP8c AGAIN if there is any grammar mistakes please forgive me and my English, I hope this was a interesting read for any of you interested in this topic.

[@tetraxis3011]

Very good for brazil! I think Cascavels only need sight modernizations, similar to the better optics on Mexican ERC90s.

[@HueWave]

@@tetraxis3011 the thing is older than ECR-90s, it needs a lot more, we mounted a TORC-30 turret on one for a expo and i think thats a better option than these 90mms we use, that paired with ATGMs and completely overhauled electronics and engine would be a great package to keep them going for more 20 years, but in this context any modernization program that gets selected will be a win since the cascavel will get a new life regardless.

[@HueWave]

UPDATE The army just published the results of the 8x8 trials, and now only the Norinco ST-1BR and the Centauro II are in the competition for the final trials, the rest was disqualified for being either subpar, or just apcs adapted with a 105mm or downright unfit for the doctrine

[@HueWave]

well, Centauro II won, 221 units planned, initial batch of 2 and another of 96 following, now with MBT's, it looks like the chinese are coming in force with a VT4 offer, but its a VT4 with a 120mm nato gun and western systems, alongside the koreans and japanese offering things, and the swedes too

[@aquilesdourado]

dois anos depois era mentira

[@65k25]

14:23 There's a dog under the tank.🐶

[@VEIOdoWT]

these vehicles will never go to war thunder

[@opnilix5689]

We are going to brazil!!!!

[@pandorawolf8239]

I do have to say this tank looks really cool.

[@killianlile173]

It's very interesting to see tank history from South America. I think a lot of the history here gets overlooked so I'm glad to see it being covered more in the last couple of years.

[@noahsawesomevids422]

Awesome 😎

[@PeixeDePeruca]

Cone pls talk about the VBTP-MR Guarani and all his variants 🇧🇷🙏😍

[@jp50111]

soon, the Osório will be remordenized and probably going to be used in future

[@arturThe17]

Nós Brasileiros devemos rezar para isso acontecer, imagina um EE-T3 Osório II

[@RaDeus87]

I suspect that the domestic tank producers didn't offer enough kickbacks fo the army's tastes 🤦‍♂️

[@Arthion]

Honestly seems like the end result was pretty decent. Big shame it got shafted and the firm closed, they seemed to have a decent grasp of what they were doing but just got screwed over.

[@imadrifter]

Cursed by Brazil

[@neves5083]

Love your videos, thank u for talking about us

[@liammccaslin7911]

4:21 JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE HELL IS THAT

[@fuso8639]

i would like to recomend you take a look to the spanish tank Verdeja 1, that thing is cursed to look at and never seen anyone talked about it, so is original content and first timer

[@ceciliaieav]

Now Brazil is conducting secretive tests of the modernized Osorio, including its engine, transmission, suspension, and with a complete Hitfact II 120mm turret that will be produced under license in Brazil, under the same purchase contract for the turrets acquired with the Italian Centauro II. Although it is under secrecy, there are unofficial reports suggesting that the Syrius particle accelerator is conducting studies with a graphene and niobium steel alloy, which has already achieved significant gains in weight reduction and increased strength.

[@pittergomes1993]

the tank osorio is very beautiful.

[@Just_Adrian_]

Cursed by Osorio

[@seltonmelo20]

Sou brasileiro e fanático por mbts e tanques da ww2 achei muito interessante a abordagem de veículos nacionais nos seus vídeos,!

[@rapipocudo8690]

Bipity, bobuty You said Brazil? Now youre our propurty

[@matiasfpm]

OR I REPORT U. HUEHUEHEUHEHUEHEU 😂

[@notazombie...notatall8577]

Seeing something from my country here feels weird yet satisfying lol *Ad Brazil to war thunder!* Ok this is the last time i'll use "ad something to war thunder" i promise...

[@LucasSouza-jf1sm]

Hey cone, about the recently restored tamoyo, it might be a long shot, but in my time in the army here in Rio de Janeiro, I served with a career army mechanic that said that on his old base, his officers used to restore old tanks (like Renault FTs) to driving conditions just for fun and to, you know keep some of the history alive, so that *might* be the case with the Tamoyo too, however that's pure speculation on my part

[@brentkeller3826]

Misread Tomayo as Tomato. Now I can't unsee it.

[@edinonjunio]

Tamoyo, not Tomayo, nor TOMATO!

[@PaulMcElligott]

You’re not alone, Brent.

[@Gcan8012]

What have you done, Now I see it

[@brentkeller3826]

@@Gcan8012 Terribly sorry about it!

[@henriquemontalvao8492]

Tomato mayo

[@AydenGibbons]

It’s funny how many different tanks used the Sherman’s running gear despite being nothing even remotely close to a Sherman

[@perrytheplumberplatypus8976]

MB-Toy Yoyo? B r o im scared

[@7TPdwCzolgu]

7:20 dog and Tamoyo III are now best friends

[@Anlushac11]

Been wanting to see something on this vehicle for awhile.

[@smartorsen2014]

Grat video, can you consider making a video about Polish tanks like 7TP, TKS, or prototypes like 10TP or 14TP

[@HanSolo__]

14TP never existed. I would rather look at the late PT-91 Twardy. The original, not the one made out of T-72M1. Like the one in the M2A2 standard. Early on called T-72M2A2 for external clients. Or the PT-91M Pandekar.

[@craigmurrin2320]

was the X-1 tank inspired by the m3 Stuart? i see a lot of similarities

[@blasekiller9733]

The X1 was converted from the M3 Stuart. You can find the article on it on Tanks Encyclopedia.

[@craigmurrin2320]

@@blasekiller9733 thank you

[@tetraxis3011]

@@blasekiller9733 its not a conversion, the hull is different, same as turret. It is inspired by an m3 modernization program which involved modified hulls and new turrets. X1 is a fully native design.

[@blasekiller9733]

@@tetraxis3011 you are talking about the X1A2, the one with the cockerill gun. The X1 is very much converted, the hulls were rebuild at bernardini, while the X1A2 was a new design from the ground up. Thr turret was indeed a new turret as it was pretty much an uparmored and redesigned H-90 turret of which brazil had acquired about 53 for this project. Source: Stuart no Brasil - Paulo Bastos, Helio Higuchi.

[@kakakiri2601]

thanks for news video

[@thedungeondelver]

I'm kind of surprised they didn't consider the Stingray-II or -III. It would've fit the bill for what they were after. But of course, suffered from not-invented-here.

[@wilsonlook1067]

A bernardini usou alguns dos requisitos do Stingray para a elaboração da versão de exportação do Tamoyo, o Tamoyo 3.

[@Redavv]

They should go ahead and design new drive system from what you ve said the failure was the old parts from m41

[@leopard2keilergg561]

Good content for war thunder 👀👀👀

[@TheCodyLaxton]

Can you do a video on the ASTRON tanks?

[@WildTaco__]

Still waiting for Osório on WT so i can expend all my money on it, like a good nationalist Making the snail richer

[@TheTryingDutchman]

4:44 stabilization, not stabAlization

[@ruliw8520]

Probably just accidentally repeated the "a" letter

[@AkiraMiles]

Here in Brazil we have some new rumors about the EE-T1 osório, they're saying it might be used in a new project of a more modern tank, but all I know is that it still a rumor.