Brenneke SUPER SABOT 12g. Shotgun Slugs - We test them out!

[@Signal5]

I think it would be interesting to harvest the slugs out of these particular shells and then do your own load and packing to see if you can produce a more stable overall cartridge. Just a thought.

[@moparedtn]

EXactly!

[@Bacteriophagebs]

It's a weirdly gimmicky design, so yeah, I'd really like to see it work as intended to see if it does anything interesting. Why they made it push the tip forward instead of just making it the shape it ends up as to begin with is beyond me.

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

I was about to submit the same idea lol. That would be a proof that the shells have a design flaw.

[@nathanwest2304]

I sure hope they actually do that the powder may be the main issue here as for the weird multi piece design, maybe they where trying to reduce felt recoil or something? then again, it's only by maybe a fraction of a split second, so perhaps it has something to do with manufacturing and/or the expansion gimmick

[@skavossis5377]

That is a really good thought.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Tough to see. We know you all put so much into your vids. Appreciate everything you all do for great content. Thanks.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

@@taofledermaus, can you guys send word to that Machinist guy that makes prototype ammo that you guys occasionally test out, that the AK Guy Brandon Herrera is looking for machinist help with getting some of the parts made on the AK-50. I always think it's great when the YT Gun Community helps one another out.

[@taofledermaus]

@@OleDirtyMacSanchez We all don't live together in a big KZbin house or anything.

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

@@taofledermaus, I thought the Machinist guy lived in Texas, which is why I was asking. Also, I thought he'd be more likely to respond if it was you who was asking. Any which way Brandon is looking for machinist help in getting the AK-50 parts done, could you ask any of the Taofleder fans that are machinists to contact Brandon Herrera?

[@markjenkins6424]

I live for cutting edge slug technology taofledermaus experiments

[@Oldmanwithagoldpan]

Same here cousin.

[@adamhuckfeldt2895]

Your channel has single handily gotten me interested in shotgun slugs. I use a 450 bushmaster for deer hunting because I want a quick, ethical kill where the deer doesn't suffer more than necessary & where I don't have to track it very far. I've seen many slugs on your channel that would be great for deer hunting. No sense in torturing the animal. It's about feeding my family, not delight of the kill. Keep up the great content. 👍

[@Oldmanwithagoldpan]

Amen to all of that.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you Adam

[@ImpendingJoker]

It's not about feeding your family. There is ZERO need to hunt for food. Modern agriculture provides everything you need. Hunting is a choice. Thus, you are looking at the enjoyment of the kill. Don't lie to yourself, it is unseemly.

[@elijah4606]

There is literally nothing wrong with hunting for food anyway.

[@AnarchAngel1]

@@ImpendingJoker People like you will be the first to die when you can't go buy food at the store. It's unseemly to insult someone for being self sufficient

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

It's almost tempting to break those down and replace that powder with something like Clays or another that is far less sensitive to temperature extremes. That would answer the question of whether the sabots were failing due to heat or pressure excursions.

[@dankosek2355]

Yeah, I think you are on the right track NMann... Jeff has enough recipes with Longshot or Clays that he could do that and rule out the powder issues ASAP. I would like to see him get the velocities up to around 1,750-1,900FPS too.

[@jonathannorthup5705]

Doesn't seem like the sabot is the problem looks like it's burning way to slow when it's hot and melting the sabot the last round was moving far faster 🤣

[@nimbly1693]

That is what I was thinking. They ought to load some of those up with Unique or something.

[@Travellerwiz]

This was exactly what I thought when watching. I would love to see Jeff change out the powder to see if he could dial them in!

[@johnraygun9868]

Same thoughts here❤️

[@michaelcousins2526]

When you get some more of them in, save them for October-November testing! Then you can see if they are heat sensitive or just plain junk rounds.

[@taofledermaus]

I have just a few of them left. I'm not sure if Brenneke will be happy with our test and will want to send more to us at this point.

[@toto3777]

@@taofledermaus Brenneke better send you some alternative to these shells because they need to compensate for this embarrassing shell performance. Yikes.

[@mikemissildine370]

YES!!!! Thank y'all for another educational video. I'm telling you- y'all two are therapy for all the idiots I have to deal with on a daily basis. Thank you from a Gold Star Father

[@Oldmanwithagoldpan]

You might like Therapy Range.

[@mikemissildine370]

@@Oldmanwithagoldpan I do have "group"ing therapy some days. Some days I do a bit of tree trimming- more satisfying than a chainsaw 🙃

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Mike

[@Oldmanwithagoldpan]

@@mikemissildine370 lol. Funny you should mention that , I actually dropped a tree at deer camp last year end of season using a 12 Guage Everyone wanted the first 10 foot of the tree to remain because we use it to hang gear and guns on so I took it down with my mossberg 835 and a bunch of reload slugs and buckshot. Btw, i meant the KZbin chan Therapy Range. 😅

[@cycoholic]

Glad you said they looked like the engines from the SR-71, my first thought when I saw the thumbnail was that they looked like some sort of high performance jet engine. Shame about their performance though, nothing like a Blackbird.

[@taofledermaus]

Who knows, maybe Brenneke will see this, make some tweaks and let us test them again to redeem their reputation

[@elijah4606]

I'd be curious to see how they tested and justify their 100+ yds claim. If they didn't test them, why send them to you knowing they may fail? If they did, what was different that they didn't get the same results you did?

[@randyotis393]

My experience with plastics is that they degenerate overtime. I imagine the sabo just wasn't holding up through the pressures.

[@TheOlsonOutfit]

I was also thinking the plastic may have degraded over time. Though, time and heat could mess up the powder too.

[@goldenwheeledbanshee9160]

Talk about a knuckleball!!!! See if I know officer Greg is having trouble hitting stuff I know it's not right from factory. Great video an great shooting from Officer Greg. 4 all you went through I've got 2 give you 10/10 Jeff. Looks like slugs was tail heavy.

[@markmiller897]

I bought the Brenneke sabot rounds when they first came out. They had decent accuracy but seemed to be hot loaded. I put a hole clear through a Datsun sedans engine block. You could squat on one side and see daylight through the hole. That was from a mossberg 500 with 18 inch barrel from around 10 feet. But that was literally from the first rounds of brenneke to hit the market. I was single and had spare money. They were expensive. Oh yeah, it was IC cylinder barrel. Smooth bore.

[@xm15ar]

Poor Datsun, hopefully it didn't suffer.

[@NorthernBCFlyGuy]

you managed to squeeze those slugs though an IC choke? I've got a pile of those super sabots but have never fired them because I'm too lazy to swap out my IC choke for a cyl. The slug is larger than the diameter of an IC choke by a substantial amount. I was worried about damaging my barrel.

[@markmiller897]

@@xm15ar lol. I just administered the coup de grace. It had been abandoned out in the boonies of Southern Oregon on a fire road. It had been shot up a bunch. That was back in the mid 80s. Back then they were left wherever they were without being hauled away. Good for target practice though! 👍

[@markmiller897]

@@NorthernBCFlyGuy it was improved cylinder. Which is a slightly smaller barrel end. No actual choke involved. It just squeezed the load a little on the way out.

[@jamesberry3230]

@@markmiller897 improved cylinder is the choke it is built into the last 3-4" of the muzzle end of barrel or may be a variable choke device( interchangeable tubes or a polychoke collet type) choke constriction muzzle diameter cylinder 0.000 .729" Imp cylinder 0.010 .719" modified 0.020 .709" full 0.035 .694" choke constriction makes a significant difference in barrel integrity

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

I'm still super happy we still haven't hit triple digits out here. It's muggy as Hell every day but 100+is death weather. Thank you boys for trudging through that miserable heat and making this content for us. You know we appreciate it. 🤙🏾

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

@E Van I think they were measuring in Celsius. If that's the case tho that's like 116 Fahrenheit. I'm not a fan of dry heat anyway. Last thing I want/need is to be turning into some kinda teriyaki people jercky. Stay cool wherever you're at tho, brother. It's too hot. 🤙🏾

[@Memento-_-Mori-_-982]

@E Van Europe and Canada use Celsius vs Fahrenheit in the States.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@randybobandy9208]

The temperature variance is fascinating! I suppose if these are from Europe they possibly aren't designed for American temperatures. Are the rounds relatively recently manufactured? If not, the plastic or the powder may have degraded over time, dependent on storage conditions.

[@taofledermaus]

As far as I know they came directly from Brenneke's US distributor. They probably were make pretty recently

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

@@taofledermaus You know how it goes man. Powder chemistry can be fucky with temps, and if these are from Germany they also spent time at sea, it's possible the powder chemistry was altered by the long exposure to high humidity salt air in addition to the heat. There's definitely something going on here that most likely has to do with a combination of how the ammo was manufactured, and how it was stored

[@Stigstigster]

@@TheOriginalFaxon I don't think so. The fact that just cooling one down proved to work shows this is most likely a temperature issue as Jeff discussed. Ammo does indeed degrade over long periods of time depending on storage conditions but ammo is also well sealed against the elements so it takes years to go bad, usually.

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

@@Stigstigster Temperature issue goes to storage though, that's fully included in my point. Some plastics also CAN degrade in such conditions when sealed, it all depends on the rated temperature range for a given polymer mixture, and how malleable or firm it will be at a given temp. Storing in low temp conditions like inside a cooler, as they've done in the past, might have helped with this, had they been aware of the issue ahead of time. Forgive me for the confusion, I was being hyper-technical in my use of the term to encompass any condition in which the ammo lived prior to being fired, and temperature is a sub-category of that in my mind

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

Meanwhile, EU is a large place. In France, Italy or Spain, we have some very high temperatures too, and in France for example, we have lots of hunters. It's not like if these shells were designed only for hunting in Norway. I think this is either a big design flaw, either a defective batch. Maybe ?

[@NoGoodNamesLeft]

Oh hell yeah! Love this channel and especially the test ammunition videos!

[@NoGoodNamesLeft]

@E Van a classic!!!

[@bradleyhilliman359]

Thanks for putting in the effort and showing us the results! I still love watching your videos, Jeff! Keep it up!

[@taofledermaus]

thank you Bradley

[@timbourque5095]

The ballistic gel is awesome great job guys ! We need LEDs in them next with the dragon breath and other cool rounds at night .

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Tim

[@timbourque5095]

@@taofledermaus I would think they would hold the led light and look really cool actually .

[@DUKWAK]

Cool and interesting video regardless of how the slugs worked. Thanks for braving the weather to get us these vids. Appreciate ya!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks

[@bud1014]

Thank you Jeff and Greg! A failure is an option! I think those slugs would be great for cold weather. I'm Sorry not to remember the source but one book author mentioned powder burns with higher pressures and velocities during the hot summers.

[@charlesendicott9044]

I think jeff can reload and make them work I've seen his magic before .

[@Ammo08]

Its' storming like Hell outside, so I needed something good to watch...Obviously not the same Germans that designed the VW Beetle.

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

Here too. London Ontario Canada

[@johnscarborough4746]

You’ve got to wonder about the conditions they were stored under and if the wad and components had degraded over time.

[@oldesertguy9616]

My department always kept the shotguns loaded in the units. We are in the low desert where it gets in excess of 115 on a regular basis, which means something in excess of 140 inside the vehicles. We had some real problems with Winchester 00 buck one year. I think the humidity and heat got to the components and caused weird velocity drops and wild patterns. Winchester replaced all of the rounds we had left.

[@RustyorBroken]

I've got some Brenneke rifles slugs from the late 90s??? They also have the squarish flake powder but it looks more grey (or gray if you prefer) from the ouside. I've never taken one apart. I've noticed that over the years of being handled some of the flakes make their way up along the wad. I wonder what impact that has on the consistency of the velocity.

[@Oldmanwithagoldpan]

Isualy Not much so long as it's not a whole lot of powder. Still not a desirable thing to have tho.

[@davidjernigan8161]

I would lay odds on powder choice. They went with a powder that performs well in fall/winter temperatures since that is when most hunting seasons are.

[@paulstan9828]

Ha!! My first impression was that it sure looks like something homemade.

[@TsunauticusIV]

Could age or improper storage have an effect on the plastic wads? Could you try reloading some if someone sent more?

[@randybobandy9208]

I wondered the same thing. Could have affected the powder, too.

[@taofledermaus]

After seeing the one shell that chilled for a lot longer than the rest perform normally, I'm pretty sure it was just heat.

[@frankhinkle5772]

Still a very interesting test. I really do enjoy Jeff's narration and explanation. He is smarter than most of us.

[@taofledermaus]

We usually don't know what is going on at the time of filming, but the HS sure comes in handy to connect the dots.

[@andrewdobosz3682]

OGs art skills all ways impresses me, more than his half ass marksmanship lol 😂😂 small joke... but really tho , damn that dude can draw!!

[@ctsnider88]

Yup, that needs work. If anyone can figure it out Jeff can. BTW, Justin's triple gainer was awesome!

[@mattelder1971]

Considering they were designed in Germany, using what is likely European powder, I'm not surprised at all that they would have issues in the heat of southern California.

[@MrDoss89]

Okay I have an idea for you to try out. I heard it from a older gentleman years ago. You make a paste with carnauba wax and powder copper. They are supposed to hold up well because it has a high melting point. Also they are supposed to break up well passing through interior walls. No idea if it works.

[@allenminer6244]

Your videos are very well done. Thanks for the professionalism! Enjoyed this one immensely.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you Allen

[@jamesdizon5133]

these were relatively fun to play around with, although they didn’t work very practically. your video was very good!

[@christopherknerr2851]

As clearly noted, the sabot wadding is failing. I find it hard to believe though for it to be temp related judging by the first shot with a cold barrel. I personally think you got lucky with the one shell that actually shot true. I am almost wondering if either A) the wadding is poor quality, or B) the round itself has too much powder for the type of material/wadding that is being used. It would have been nice to see what the chrono would have shown for exit velocity of the round becaused those wad pieces looked like they were moving faster than the round itself on exit which would leave me to believe the sabot is failing either as the shot is being fired or due to over-velocity within the barrel.

[@deweyharmon4666]

Who cares what anyone says, cannot be OG'S shooting abilities 😁 gotta be the heat! Anyway thank you guys for another GREAT VIDEO!!

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Dewey

[@talbothanley4421]

I really enjoy your videos. Being a shotgun fan it's nice to see how different slugs fly and the energy that they deliver or if you could hit a barn standing inside of it. Keep up the work I learn a lot

[@taofledermaus]

thanks

[@kentuckywindage222]

The heat of summer is when I do my load testing with my reloads for pressure signs and accuracy. What will function great with no pressure problems in cold weather, may, (especially if ball powder) pop primers in summer heat. You would think a company like this one would've tested in heat as well as cold or cooler. I have tested my 308 rounds from freezer temp to leaving in the sun and their is a difference in velocity. Again, ball powder is a given in my experience to be temperature sensitive. I have loaded shotgun, but it's been a few years. Extruded powders are more forgiving in my experience with temp sensitivity. I'm sure you know this Tao, just trying to help those who have less or no experience with powders or reloading. In the end I feel like the wad is the problem. Sorry so long. Nice video as usual! Keep'em coming!

[@unclejohnbulleit2671]

When we did a gun shoot (naval guns, of any caliber above .50, normally 3", 5" or greater) we had to average the last three days mag temps to get an idea of the IV.

[@buffalosoutdoors]

Never saw those before. I generally like Brenneke stuff. Loved the experiment with the cold water to get it to stabilize, awesome. Love OG's Beretta 1301.

[@taofledermaus]

We've tested a few other Brenneke slugs and they never thrilled me. The HS camera exposed some flaws with their other wad designs like on the Special Forces slug. I have 4 of these left so I am going to reload them with better components and powder and show that they will work in even hotter conditions.

[@buffalosoutdoors]

@@taofledermaus I just did a video on these slugs and O.G. commented that you guys had tested them. I replied that I hadn't seen it yet here is a comment I left a year ago 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I forgot I ever even watched it! Thanks again for all you guys do!

[@taofledermaus]

@@buffalosoutdoors Thanks Buffalo!!

[@adamdavis8892]

Even a video of failed testing is entertaining, and informative! Great video guys!

[@taofledermaus]

thank you Adam

[@MajorHavoc214]

With my experience in the the US Army, shotgun slugs should not that bad in high temperatures. And I am talking about temperatures at 117 degrees.

[@DAVROSS72]

Definitely the angle of the dangle. There is no failures in science though, it’s all data. Cheers from Australia.

[@kinglaqueefa6884]

Yes! My boys are back! Love from FL. Rip my homie Danny and Respect to Jeff,OG and Brianna!

[@iyaayas200]

do you have any left that you could reload with a less sensitive powder?

[@taofledermaus]

Just a few

[@EasyThere]

Maybe it never worked. Bet you could load em proper.

[@Kualinar]

Cool/cold weather slugs. Maybe try adding a fibre or cork wad between the powder and the original wad. Also, maybe using another type of powder.

[@taofledermaus]

I have a FEW left, so I am going to chop off the gas seal, maybe use an x12x high pressure seal, a cork wad and Longshot

[@brunoterlingen2203]

Take the slugs out of the original package and re-load them yourself with your own powder!

[@jonathanrogers9961]

not sure if you did already, but I sent a contact form to Brenneke with a link to your video. hopefully they can get it sorted out.

[@Oldmanwithagoldpan]

Tell em to send Jeff a couple dozen of the projectiles and he'll sort it out for them.

[@jeffjankiewicz5100]

Those slugs were all over the place. It`s a winter slug, hates the heat. Love the content no matter what it is. Those just loved to tumble except that one you chilled. I think the sabot got soft in the heat and gave you the wonky exit from the barrel that sent them end over end. Thanks Jeff and OG for sharing.

[@screwthecabal6453]

MADE IN CHINA! PARTS FROM ITALY, CHINA, NORTH KOREA!sorry, North Korea doesn't send anything anywhere. ASSEMBLED IN MEXICO!!!

[@Eric-gi9kg]

Every time I watch one of your videos, I learn something new about shotgun loads. I've only shot slugs for one year deer hunting (didn't own a rifle). Everything else has been birdshot. And theres been times my shot off, and I have to ask myself now..."How Hot was it that day?" Keep these Awesome instructional and entertaining videos coming

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Eric

[@anthonygiaconia7880]

Even though the rounds didn't preform well I enjoyed the video. What if you took some of them apart and only reused the bullet. We know your stuff works.

[@taofledermaus]

I may try that, I have a few of them left.

[@supergeek1418]

How old were those slugs? Plastic can degrade and get brittle with age, and powder can become more sensitive. If they were many years old, either one (or both) of those factors could be the problem.

[@taofledermaus]

I really don't know. Lot code is 40251B

[@flummi6966]

@@taofledermaus Seeing the edges of the boxes,i would guess over 3-5 years.They were probably a long time in storage.And we get easily over 100 ° F in summer in germany for 1-2 months.Maybe you find some interest in this: www.deva-institut.de/files/userfiles/09HS001ABFlintenlaufgeschosse.pdf P.S: They didnt had the tumbling problem. Page 86 is various angles on stone plates f.e.

[@kawaiiarchive357]

We all know that sabots and slugs NEED to have cool names or else they won't be accurate or effective.

[@ishnifusmeadle]

I remember seeing these everywhere years ago. Always thought they looked semi gimmicky, but I did like the packaging/sabot style, just figured they wouldn't work for some reason.....old fashioned.... still see em in the back woods stores time to time for way to much a small box. Some day I'll buy a box to blast a couple and put a couple into my shell/casing/bullet display.....

[@chrisconsola5306]

Fix the problem and circle back around to this one. 👍

[@paulstan9828]

How old were the shells? Could the interior plastic deteriorated over time? Almost like it was to brittle.

[@RustyorBroken]

I wondered the same thing. I've got some rifled Brenneke slugs from the late 90s. These seem like a similar vintage.

[@taofledermaus]

The wad wasn't brittle at all. I think the failure was the gas seal getting blown out.

[@paulstan9828]

@@taofledermaus Oh ok thank you.

[@PatsFanGermany]

AFAIK rifled shotguns are illegal in Germany. So... Offering slugs that can only be shot through a rifled barrel sounds like a business move no German company would make. In other words, these slugs were specially produced for the American market.

[@taofledermaus]

I think you are correct

[@wickdghost3639]

Good design and a cool concept, just poor execution on the manufacturers part. I think you're spot on. A better quality sabot and a better powder choice and they could of had a much better result and product.

[@soho71]

I’m just here to see ballistic gel get Dirty.....

[@alanmoffat4454]

DEFINITELY A ROUND THATS GOT A BEST BEFORE DATE OR TEMPERATURE USE .

[@taofledermaus]

I have some ideas for improving these so stay tuned!

[@r.d.riddle2068]

If you could only get your Governor to outlaw internal combustion altogether, I'm scientifically certain temperatures would plummet within days.

[@taofledermaus]

Lol, the real problem will be when he bans U-Hauls to keep people from moving away.

[@tophat8190]

I am a black powder enthusiasts and have a large assortment of muzzleloading rifles, shotguns and cap and ball revolvers. It would be absolutely insane if you would do what you do with a muzzleloading shotgun and or a rifle. Would make for some explosive footage.

[@raulduke7142]

Cant believe these things can be in a box and sold. Wow.

[@vinceimp9581]

I wonder if there wasn't proper engagement with the rifling? If you had any left it would be interesting to try and replace the wad with something different. Maybe even different powder given what you said about it being sensitive.

[@heywardmorgan7699]

Maybe replacing the powder and changing the sabot will help, strange to see them leave the rifled barrel already starting to tumble. Thinking the sabots may have been made with a material the has broken down over time, boxes did seem to be recent production, but what do I know, I'm a novice and y'all are the experts. Till the next time, have a great one and try to stay cool out there.

[@taofledermaus]

The sabot is very specific to this slug. I might try a different powder charge.

[@johnkilcer]

You didn't use a tarp. That's why it didn't work. Lol

[@everettariaz6103]

When the plastic wad pops it sends the "item" into a flip

[@Q_The_Rabbit]

I keep a Dometic in my truck for range & hunting outings to keep my shells at 55F. Conversely, hand warmers for our Mule Deer season since it is a scorcher if it gets above 35F for that time period. Using Strelok & a Kestril make 500+yd shots common, if powder/round temp fluctuations are minimized.

[@eldie3d]

I think the wad was too loose. Maybe you should 3d print a tighter wad - and maybe replace the powder with a powder that you know is more stable.

[@taofledermaus]

It was plenty tight, so tight I couldn't even push it into the barrel.

[@bryanandrews5214]

That Perry guy, (or Parry?) 1:38 gives me the weirdest feel. I saw him in a different video and thought it was eerie even then. I think he looks like me everywhere except the hairline. Same smile lines and jaw line, he has slightly larger tip of nose and tops of ears, similar glasses preference (I also like the low profile and wide ones), and I habitually smile in a way that pulls one side further (mostly because I suffered an injury where a tooth punched through part of my lip). His body language seemed similar when I saw him, but I can't remember which video.

[@keithjurena9319]

Polyethylene, the polymer used in most wads, has a wide range of mechanical properties. Plus the variables of injection molding..

[@loddude5706]

'But you are not flying zem correctly . . you have non-metric air, how can you possibly hope to suck seed?' (Thick accent : )

[@richarddixon7276]

I made a comment on Your next video which should have been posted on this video but no matter it's still about the same subject , I have to agree with Your comment on the SR 71 engine . Thanks again Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .

[@danieljob3184]

Some people over-engineer the rounds making them fancier at the cost of ballistic integrity. Sometimes basic is just better! BTW that powder is a smokeless variety popular with Russian shotgun shells, so chances are heat does play a factor in discharge.

[@saltydog4556]

At a guess,lack of air density / resistance due to lack of moisture. You guys have proven that it can make a projectile self stabilise, but if it isnt there...well....

[@cgamejewels]

Maybe y'all should have waited until winter to test these bullets. I never heard of bullets that needed a certain outdoor temp to work properly. I was going to suggest duct tape, but Geoff said electrical tape. One of them should work on the bullets. LOL

[@madpatriot7464]

It looked like the wad did better thru smooth bore, maybe a cork or paper wad would do better in rifling.Looks frustrating as hell, but I'm always glad to see you in my feed. The ammonwas spotty, but you guys are always competent and you try your best to make it fun. Love you guys.

[@id.unknown1283]

they must be made for hunting season (in Germany) which I'm guessing is much cooler. Or they could all just be crap or they got too hot during shipping and that effected them.

[@hamboneneurosis995]

Thanks guys! He'll probably send out some more and demand you put them all in ice water! 🤣

[@taofledermaus]

Even DDupleks was baffled at one of our hot weather tests. They were not aware of the problem and told me they finally got the same results we got but at 180 deg F. ! Go figure

[@Bobsutubes]

Glad you tried a "smooth bore" smooth bore makes everything better. Lol. Good analysis. Thx...

[@anguslacer1978]

The slug design, with moving parts that absorb energy, is a really bad idea. And it's probably generating the tumbling effect too.

[@MLenninger]

Feels like the slugs are a bit old. The base of the sabot might work better with a cardboard plug. Plastic might need to be taped tighter around the slug. The plunger looked almost like it was spring loaded. Doesn't need the plunger to perform well. Snip it off and re-seat.

[@jameskringlee8974]

Brenneke black magic slug turning to dust and grains upon impacting a stack of paper plates in one youtube video - now this high buck piece of benneke crap.seen here.

[@timrogers2638]

Maybe ask Evan Perry to replicate the projectile, then build the shell with US components that may not be so heat sensitive? Just a thought.

[@iduswelton9567]

Seems to me the wadding is no strong enough to withstand the pressure from the powder charge - designer needs to go back to the drawing board

[@ATopdog007]

Germany is much colder than Tx or Ca or wherever. Keep them in a co2 ice box, not on the co2, but they will work perfectly.

[@maxcactus7]

So the lesson of this video is this: If you're going to sent Jeff and O. G. ammo to test, send enough for testing in hot weather as well as cooler weather, plus some extra for lab analysis.

[@riverk5156]

R870 is so fun and aftermarket mods. It's the Honda of shotguns like the Glock is of pistols

[@teipsum7787]

💯% O.G. pulled his shots just to mess up the German engineer standard...🤣🤣🤣

[@robertwall1006]

Those SUPER SABOT's look like novelty shots more than anything.

[@larctiger]

How long ago were these manufactured? Perhaps the plastic sabot has become brittle. OR the heat ramped up the velocity too high

[@williamcap2236]

Those rounds were junk ! Would it make a difference if you changed the powder to American powder ??

[@nothingsurprisesmeanymore]

That's not good as now it's quite regularly 105f in Europe now, so if it was the heart they will be useless for large parts of the summer.

[@cynthiakoehne7004]

It's just heat sensitive flake powder, just use some Hercules, and viola great bear killer!

[@ekscalybur]

Guy who emails every week asking if you tested the ammo yet is doing nothing but telling you he doesn't watch your vids.

[@markpoole5854]

Temperature related air density differential makes a huge difference to the internal combustion engine so why not shot gun cartridges, its my best guess!

[@Scott_C]

I'd love to see you reload these with an equivalent American Powder load.

[@noneyabiz8225]

Im thinking is the base of the wad that is creating the problem..need to have more support and or strength. When ya ice bathed it, that plastic hardened up.

[@littlebear1520]

I know I'm certain smoothbore shotguns when they get overheated they don't shoot the same. But that could be the shooter with too much recoil too. I think that it was just part of a bad lot and you should maybe send the video to brenecke and ask them if they know when they were doing that

[@donaldslayton2769]

Brenneke= shoulder smasher. When they shoot right, they are hard to beat. Thanks for the video Jeff and Greg

[@aethertech]

The only slug I trust, is a rifled slug. No sabot. But, I do love Brennek THD 20G for target shooting with slug guns.

[@frankmartino835]

I live in central Canada and still find that shooting shotgun shells in a very hot weather I get high pressures and erratic results. Best to shoot in a cooler weather. 👍👍😂