Bringing Quality of Life to Phase 3 Season of Discovery - Podcast - Cubicle Chat

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[@Mug_O_Tea]

With rogues I been saying on the forums my thoughts on it. Make slaughter from the shadows a bleed build. Make it have the same effect as the backstab glyph in wrath increàses rupture duration by 2s per backstab up to 6s. Make it increase the damage of bleeds with it equipped by x% and whilst there is an active bleed on the target physical damage is increased by 5%. Then for the deadly brew rune I thought have it apply the same debuff as the gnomeregan fist epic where it increases magic damage by 6% and make the debuff have the same duration as the envenom buff. It would make it so rogues have 2 options of game play for daggers and 2 different debuffs they could bring to the raid. Then daggers could play deadly brew and envenom or slaughter and rupture And swords could play deadly and envenom. My last thought was for tanking (I had loads of thoughts on rogues cos I personally think that currently the build for them is super lacking.) but change a rune like shiv(absolute trash make it the same as poisoned knife why do we have 2 runes doing the same thing basically) and make something like. Exposing eviscerate. Eviscerate now bypasses armor (making it not hit like a wet noodle) and applies an improved expose armor. Gives rogues 2 potential (non game breaking) debuffs and amother finisher for tanking rogues that applies a decent armor debuff. Easy

[@draccuzhc7113]

When you look at the Roadmap there is no PvP Event at 50 and at 60 it only says "End Game activities" so we do not know if there will be another pvp Event.

[@az9498]

Undead Mage with spikey hair all the way. #buffourwaters It should not take 2 waters and 45 seconds to mana up!

[@Joriko13]

Why not have: - emblems of discovery, can be farmed through daily dungeons/daily PvP/maybe filling boxes - at exalted reps, PvP matches reward "Mercenary Purse" which is basically a gold reward for PvP engagement. - each city rep has material gathering NPCs, similar to the wool donations. Those NPCs reward either gold purse or emblem or cache of foods.

[@robertguchereau1412]

one QoL I would get behind is put in all the cemetaries and flightpoints that retail has. It wouldnt kill the game and help with the "stop wasting my time" factor that old school MMOs loved back in the day. Its a cheap method to increase the player participation metric that is utilized by AAA studios to have stats to present to the Board when its time to get more funding approved.

[@AB-gj2gh]

on living flame - you missed the nerf. unless youre a melee mage :) expect Travel time of lf 3s -> its now 1,14 x 3s = 3,4s in addition you are casting it twice for the "same dmg"/duration 2x 3,4s = 6,8s travel time difference between travel time 6,8s(now)-3s(former) = 3,8s Uptime before: 20s-3s = 17s Uptime now: 20s-6,8s = 13,2s nerf %: 13,2/17 = 0,7764 1,0 - 0,7764 =22% Actual over 20% nerf #nominorchange

[@dimitrikoger304]

Personally would like if they added stuff like righteous orbs to dungeons for enchanting materials or mats needed to make specific profession items..herblism gloves fishing poles cooking hats mining axe materials so there would always be a reason to run the dungeons. As a tank in hc righteous orbs fueled my consume cost and i helped rogues and such who needed their class quest items for unpopular dungeons

[@az9498]

Raid Leaders should get a bonus for forming the group. Like i creased % of gold picked up or something.

[@Wyattmfearp]

I think it’s funny that they want to cancel gdkps but as eng/bs as my two proffesions on my main it cost me 100g to get my belt and helm recipe as well as the 2 grenade recipe so I can make the top end ones for my main and the ez throw ones for my alts. That doesn’t include the mats to make any of these things.

[@codywatson9627]

It's crazy how the top 1% play, I min max my consumes and wb's get crafting on my alt and still get grey parses lol

[@IAmVega617]

Uhhhh Theres something fundamentally wrong with your talents and rotation then brother

[@cypherpunk6417]

NGL... hot take... kinda glad Denz0 isn't making the decisions. A bit too sweaty for SoD's target audience. Nice guy, I'm sure, no hate. But yeah... too sweaty. On world buffs - Maybe an improvement on the chronoboon would be a consumable item you can use that gives the world buff. That way you can farm them during downtime. Either that, or persist-through-death. One thing is certain though - World buffs make gameplay more fun. Some specs more than others. But, for example, I main Ret Paladin, and world buffs make Ret Paladin WAY faster paced and fun to play, because of Art of War Exorcism resets. Just started going into Gnomer with both DMF and Gnomer buff and I had an absolute blast. It made the game more fun. And that has massive value in SoD or really just in games in general. Love the suggestion of the middle ground for reputations regarding the tabard you can send to alts. Would love that! On Power Infusion: Screw off, don't touch it. Adds flavor to the game. Mega-sweats can go suck eggs. No Mythic+, titan rune dungeons are fine. My idea to make dungeons relevant: Add a Mythic difficulty that basically makes it as difficult as it used to be back when we had no idea what we were doing, like requiring CC on certain mobs, a kill order, etc. No timers though. Just difficult dungeons that reward skilled class gameplay with upscaled versions of the original dungeon loot that rivals raid loot, maybe just barely not quite as good. Dual-spec is long overdue. Lastly... F**k GDKPs. They inflate the hell out of the economy to the point where people can't afford commodities anymore. Waaaaay more people will quit when everything is unaffordable than people who can't suck it up and actually be decent, sociable people to fit in with a guild and raid that way. I hope they're gone forever. You're not meant to buy all of your freaking gear in WoW... you're meant to earn it.

[@ClassicGho]

Great feedback. We covered a lot of topics in this episode and to me it feels like how before SoD was even announced, and everyone was talking about what they wanted for a Classic +, and noone could fully agree on what that would be, that now that we have SoD, everyone's voicing their same opinions still of what they wanted from this style of a game, and I love it that Scotte, myself, and our guests all can agree on some things, differ on some, and find some common ground on some things we'd like to see as well. I'm sure there's very few people that 100% love every single change that's been made, or 100% hate the changes, I'll throw a random number out there that maybe the majority of people are 85% happy with the changes, and 15% either neutral or would like some things to be different. For the GDKP part at the end of your comment, I think I share Denz0's stance on GDKPS, where I would argue that he and I DID earn the gear we bought in Phase 1 from them. Knowing that the more gold we brought, the better the loot we could get, encouraged us to go out and farm for the gold. I can't tell you how many hours I spent Fishing, or Solo'ing dungeons for BoEs, or crafting items to post on the AH, just to hopefully not get out bit on items I really wanted to get. The big issue I think boils down to BoTs and RMTS, where if those were handled better, then I don't think that GDKPS would be a cause of Inflation really. I'm a bit solo player, and it's been really nice to not feel like I NEED to be in a Guild in SoD, and GDKPS was the fairest, most reliable raid system, and that got removed from me, and now I still play and love the game, but I just don't raid as often which is something I really enjoyed doing.

[@cypherpunk6417]

@@ClassicGho Thanks for the response. Glad my comment was seen. Reply to GDKPs: Everything you said about farming the gold to bring to gdkp runs also means one thing, a massive time requirement. One of the biggest accolades of the changes that SoD brings to the vanilla experience is significantly reduced time requirement. It's the least common commodity among the target audience. In addition to inflation. Any time the game produces more gold for someone is an increase in gold flowing through the economy. If everyone is farming massive amounts of gold to outbid everyone else in a gdkp, that inflation is going to occur that much quicker. If you want proof (though a bit exorbitant) just log on any era or hardcore server and look at the AH. Ridiculous prices for basically everything. Mind, all this is coming from someone who farmed 1200g in p1. I know I'm an exception, and I still have all of that gold. The bottom line is the content in this version of the game is designed around guilds. People can set aside time to do a guild raid just as easily as they can set aside time for a gdkp. They take the same amount of time to complete. Without putting a death timer on a server in doing so.

[@ClassicGho]

@@cypherpunk6417 I would think a guild would have people able to farm consumes and crafted materials so it wouldn’t have to be gotten off the AH if prices are inflated, so I’m not sure how a guild would be effected by AH inflation. It would be the guildless ones, who don’t do GDKPs that it would effect? I’m not an economist by any means so I am fine to say I know nothing about the AH market. I’d really like to find someone to have on that doesn’t have time to play that much, like 5-10 hours a week, to hear their perspective on not being able to farm or get all their runes, or get to max level weeks after a phase launch and hear what that’s like for them.

[@kollinz13]

have the duegeons end boss have a chance to drop one of the current racial mounts. so you get a shot at other races mount. woild create content for this phase and wont effect future phases and wont feel compelled to farm in later phase

[@GowtuGames]

Still never get invited for Gnomer on my Ret pala. Pretty pre raid bis geared but no parses an no guilds that run my time (late night) on my server. And i dont have time to start and manage my own guild. Im skipping raiding phase 2 i guess. Hope p3 will get better 🤞

[@GokuIRL]

Go holy

[@joshmiller4360]

Really? I haven't had any trouble on my ret pally and I raid late night as well

[@GowtuGames]

​@@GokuIRL might have to look in getting a offspec set. But without dual spec it still feels a bit bad.

[@GowtuGames]

​@@joshmiller4360yeah really, but ive not been very actively looking for the last 2 weeks either. Your server? Im living flame eu

[@cypherpunk6417]

Sounds like a server transfer may be needed. We all know the general player base thinks gnomer is a mythic bleeding edge raid apparently with how selective they are for invites. Guilds are not so.

[@Algimants.Gabrjuns]

jack with cola, nice

[@gallowayow8672]

How about they make it so players arent punished for taking melee into the raid? It shouldnt take hours as a melee player to get into a pug. Yeah i can make my own and raid lead it, and probably get it together in 30mins to hr. But I shouldnt have to raid lead to get into a raid.

[@AC-wc7ju]

hey scotte go talk to a feral main about what they think about the state of cat druids, i know you don't play them anymore therefore don't care but its pretty shit atm.

[@ab-zh5ml]

awesome discussion about gdkp. I loved scotties opinion of it and i wish everyone would feel the same way. If you don't want to do them then JUST DONT DO THEM. fking people. always need something to cry about. Scotties comment about pvp was also a great point. I don't like arena so should i cry and try to get it banned? but ppl are paying glads to help them so it needs to go away. that is just as rediculous. anyway, good show. I stopped playing SOD because of the removal of gdkp so i don't know why i even listened to this. Just bored and checking in.

[@Wyattmfearp]

The whole why can’t people commit to two days and a guild I get. My gf has a swing shift where she works 28 days on days and 28 days on nights and works 5 days one week and 2 days the next and there 12 hour shifts. So her schedule is constantly changing where a guild would constantly be having to work around that schedule. Then parents with kids and your raids are Tuesday and Friday let’s say. Your kid has a game that night are you going to be like sorry I missed your game but you know I had raid that night. So people that can’t just do it for a living “the casual player” get stuck pugging. Gdkp’s fix the problem of you getting stuck in groups with bad players.

[@godwings101]

It's funny seeing sweats dislike the STV event. I'd consider myself a pretty sweaty player and i really enjoy thebSTV event. You just need better coordination with your team if it's just a dying and resing fest for you. I did a melee cleave team and got 4000 coins in 1 go. My team died less than 10x total the entire 30 minutes.

[@spencerogalleher8116]

Damn this video has a lot of ads.

[@konstantinosarvanitis4104]

Guys you pretty much don’t want to play this version of the game. That’s what I got out of this. You would be happy if the game was an other raid simulator like retail. You want everything easy, without the grind and without the leveling. That contradicts the nature of an old style mmo rpg imo. I agree about some things like instant mail, not to have to grind rep in multiple characters etc. But we asked for a vanilla like game and that’s what they made for us. Now we complain about it. I just don’t get it.

[@Sleepgodx]

It's what we asked for but not what we got. Vanilla+ was supposed to be vanilla with fixes where needed, we got cata- instead. This shit is the wild West of wow now, blizz ran right over vanilla+, can't really blame the people who play it saying they want retail when they have a product miles beyond even wrath

[@user-ur1mr7yx6d]

Denzo claims that GDKPs are only way to gear multiple characters which sounds weird. Many guilds do alt runs. Just find better guild. If your excuse to justify GDKPs is that you don't want to be in guild then maybe wow is wrong game for you.

[@SawsePapi]

p2 has been so shit to find a pug raid.. also they should of added dual spec

[@Seeric85]

You can absolutely join a guild, no matter your circumstances. I am an adult with adult responsibilities and I do shift work. SoD is full of middle aged dads. Just join the guild that is right for you. My guild is a raiding guild. We have a raid planer tool, everybody just puts down when they are available and raids are planned around that. With 10 man raids, it's really no issue. That being said, GDKP should be allowed. Just go harder after bots and gold sellers/buyers.

[@solarjahra5924]

The end of this episode became a whine fest

[@justbob8294]

Let keep gdkps out of wow. Its been nice to get good players in guild runs.

[@brandonwilson4740]

No I liked it better when my summon cost 1g instead of 3g

[@zdubzz1280]

I feel like the good players from GDKPs didn’t just join the rest of the population, they formed guilds of their own

[@ianlosoya1716]

Am I the only one that had a different experience with player skill in gdkp's?

[@zdubzz1280]

@@ianlosoya1716 obviously there were plenty of bad players in GDKPs getting carried. But also there was geared and skilled players making up for the weaker players.

[@zeroresistance7203]

i feel like Rogues get no love at all in season of discovery.

[@Kriegmann45]

I believe they aren't touching rogues and warriors too much because of how powerful they would be at 60

[@zeroresistance7203]

@@Kriegmann45what feels really bad is this. Shadowpriest gets dispersion, new dots. all rogue gets is a shadowstep on globalcooldown like totally caster biased.

[@vendellinvenda2273]

We really need to stop care about parses..

[@konstantinosarvanitis4104]

Parses mean nothing. Going out in to the world and be able to do 1 vs 2 or vs 3 is for me the indication of a good player. That why people will always remember the good PvP players and not the pve ones. Memorising mechanics and a simple rotation it can be hard but nothing close compared to PvP

[@vendellinvenda2273]

@@konstantinosarvanitis4104 Not sure I can agree to that when we have world pvp where a crit on 1 abillity oneshots someone. not really an indication of a good player, no ?

[@konstantinosarvanitis4104]

@@vendellinvenda2273 i understand what you are saying but we are not talking one shots here. Taking one shots it’s avoidable vs most classes. Mages needs to cast, shamans need to cast, destro needs to setup etc, the only true remaining classes that can one shot you potentially are rogues in a stun lock.

[@godwings101]

Parses aren't everything but they're a measure of how you and your group are doing.

[@konstantinosarvanitis4104]

@@godwings101 you have details add on for this. Like we used to have recount. You don’t need a whole new platform to record your damage.

[@godwings101]

GDKP's are just for antisocial people who can't make human connections in the game and need their gaming to be transactional.

[@fritzbli82]

Get rid of those world buffs. Worst idea ever! What a waste of time. Think about all the time wasted collecting these from all the players around the world...

[@brandonwilson4740]

Playing video games is a waste of time dude.