Microsoft Now Allowing Windows 11 on Unsupported Hardware

[@tearren1]

If you aren’t guaranteed security updates after going to Windows 11, theres no reason to upgrade from Windows 10, at least to me.

[@-ThePharaoh-]

Exactly

[@WXSEDY]

I'm not sure what you're hearing since you will be able to get updates with Microsoft Windows - even on non-activated systems. However, there is a _potential_ that a future update may not work and could render your "unsupported hardware" to a state of non-usable. IOW, Microsoft is telling us that they have certain "standards" they require and that anyone who disobeys those standards could get spanked! Nevertheless, you will still be fed your monthly allotment of porridge (aka security updates)!

[@raven4k998]

and so people are probably going to switch to linux because linux has security updates on older computers or Microsoft will have to make windows 11 work on unsupported hardware since people do not want to buy a new computer

[@DT-dc4br]

Swapping the "unsupported hardware" issue to an "unsupported software" issue

[@raven4k998]

@@DT-dc4br works everytime though Microsoft fails to realize that after people switch to and learn linux they will not want to switch back because learning windows again will be to much work🤣🤣🤣

[@CamelCasee]

I think microsoft forget that most home users are not replacing their computers as much these days and it's a low priority compared to other bills and expenses.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

I get cheap or free "obsolete" PCs and put Linux on them. My best laptop is a 2013 Chromebook Pixel, runs Mint.

[@zeenxdownz]

​@@jamesvandamme7786 from where?

[@CamelCasee]

@@jamesvandamme7786 Kinda the same, I've been given old family computers which work fine for my needs. I'm not the biggest of computer nerds these days so I don't need the latest hardware.

[@WildBikerBill]

Low Priority? More like No Priority. If it isn't broke, I'm not replacing it.

[@Asadc1995]

Agree pc hardware prices on the roof these past couple months years due to inflatation

[@oceanbreeze369]

The whole unsupported hardware scam is bs. It needs to go. Old pc's work just fine

[@monumento.f.501]

unsupported Windows OS allowed on just a normal x86 machine.

[@sinistan1002]

they work just fine with linux, windows is a resource hog

[@tumslucks9781]

@@sinistan1002 Windows is a one fits all OS that's why it's so bloated.

[@Concerned502]

Bitlocker by default and no local account without workarounds during install needs to go as well.

[@gus2112]

This is like forcing people to ditch their CRT TV's...They don't want to make or support stuff for older hardware cause they're lazy. Oh and the major wink wink nod nod's across the spectrum of tech manufactures. I could be wrong though.

[@D.von.N]

Microsoft simply cannot expect millions upon millions people to just ditch their perfectly good machines and run buying new to continue having a safe system. This is also very unecological, producing tons and tons of sudden e-waste. Where would it go?

[@takumikid]

exactly i dont like the new ai stuff either we dont NEED ai in our operating systems

[@D.von.N]

@@takumikid Just watched how AI messes up with flagging vulnerabilities and bugs to the open source developers, being 66% false flag, neither a vulnerability, nor a bug. It makes their jobs so much more difficult that some call it a DoS, as it paralyses them in their normal job. They need to take each such flag seriously and two thirds are bogus. We have a brain rot in young folks from sinking into a chain of short lasting content, destroying their attention span, and we are now to have a bot to replace our organisation skills and memory? Total decay of he society. And I am saying it as a frequent user of a chat bot, but for productiv tasks, like fast tracking my switch to Linux 😂.The bot has been very good helper, but still advising wrong from time to time. It is more artificial then intelligent.

[@Realist-m9c]

Great timing! I just swapped my 2017 Threadripper PC for a new machine as it couldn’t be updated to Win11, just perfect.😢

[@allanrichardson1468]

I think that throwing away perfectly good computers is EXACTLY what M$haft wants everyone to do. Their OEM partners can then sell more computers, each one with a paid copy of Windows 11. People aren’t buying upgrade copies of Windows 11 unless they ALREADY have compatible (ie new) machines. With this grudging “permission,” they will sell more upgrade copies, and when they fail, and you fall back to Windows 10, you can’t get a refund, since they warned you! Also, just as 6 weeks is not enough time to be sure you’re pregnant, 10 days is not enough to be sure the new OS is running correctly. Best options: if you DO NOT use any financial software that needs to connect to a bank or to the IRS (or your country’s equivalent) to file taxes, Mac or Linux; if you DO, you’re stuck with Mac!

[@D.von.N]

@@allanrichardson1468 there are still second hand business class machines that are compatible with Win11 (like mine, for a quarter of the price of new), just choose wisely. Business class machines are built to last longer than standard user ones, often glued plastics together with harder to replace components. Convert them to Linux and install Windows onto a usb, to run for those rare cases when you have to. Limit the data this bully wants from you and enjoy freedom of open source. It takes time to figure out workarounds but it is an investment for the future. I defo take it as such.

[@ComputerGuyAndy]

You can take this as a win my friend. I'm sure it's because of content creators such as yourself, Titus, Heirens, etc that Microsoft has changed their position. I service PCs for the elderly at our local Senior Center and I can tell you first hand that these people haven't got the means to upgrade to a new PC. They're willing to accept almost any option that keeps them connected without costing more than they can afford to spend. Thank You for all you do.

[@Britec09]

You're welcome

[@williamyf]

Consider puting them on Win10 +ESU, and then 0patch. Then, in 2028, re-evaluate what to do for them seniors

[@9852323]

@@williamyfjust put them on ltsc which is supported till 2032. After that just install 11 anyway.

[@ComputerGuyAndy]

@williamyf it's an option, one of many, thanks to Titus, Britec and the rest but thankfully we won't have to worry about it. Thank You!

[@ComputerGuyAndy]

@williamyf I'll definitely use this method for the older machines that can already barely run Win10 though.

[@Mhaakify]

"Allowing" is a bit of a strong word to use. It's more like they begrudgingly acknowledged the workaround.

[@1pcfred]

I'm sure if Microsoft really wanted to deny it they could patch their code so it just wasn't possible. So the possibly existing is them allowing it.

[@Mhaakify]

@@1pcfred If they would actually allow unsupported hardware, they wouldn't be a workaround in the first place.

[@1pcfred]

@@Mhaakify if they weren't allowing it then it would not work under any circumstance. It would be trivial coding for them to make that the case. So they're allowing it without condoning it.

[@acurisur]

@@Mhaakify They are allowing unsupported hardware, that's what this video is talking about. This isn't a workaround, this is Microsoft admitting that Windows 11 can work on unsupported hardware. They didn't want to admit it because they want people to buy a new PC or laptop.

[@4TheRecord]

A worthless workaround, what's the point if it's not going to get updates and you'll probably have hardware issues. Might as well stay on Windows 10.

[@kinyerainnoarnolds7281]

The bite is real. lots of people aren't upgrading as expected and it seems the panic is increasing too. i recently received the "end of life message for windows 10". Windows 10 is the king for me.

[@pinroshan020]

Nah! Win 7 is the real deal.

[@Toutvids]

yeah my girlfriend mentioned the notice on her PC last week. We both laughed. I suggested if her system starts to 'suddenly have issues' I can load up Fedora Linux for her. It may come to that next year.

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

Microsoft are absolutely tone deaf: they don't seem to be able to accept that people don't want their wobbly AI and don't want the endless upselling of subscription-based 'services' that you get on Win 11.

[@acurisur]

Not for me, anyone with an OLED monitor will know how bad HDR support is on Windows 10. NVIDIA HDR also doesn't work on Windows 10.

[@Hackenberg]

@@gdutfulkbhh7537 Keylogging my machine does not work for me.

[@conorturton]

Millions of PCs that work absolutely fine prevented from upgrading from an arbitrary decision made by Microsoft to try to boost PC sales is why Windows 10 is still going strong.

[@1pcfred]

How does Microsoft profit from PC sales? They don't sell PCs. Maybe they're in cahoots with some of the hardware vendors that do. But we don't have any evidence to support that.

[@VonMagXL]

Microsoft DOES sell PCs. Ever hear of the Surface line?

[@1pcfred]

@@VonMagXL does Microsoft still sell Surface PCs or have they gone the way of the Windows Phone yet? Wow look at that they are still selling those things. They are expensive too. Does anyone actually buy them? They want $4,499.99 for one? Are they smoking crack? The ghost of Steve Jobs must work at Microsoft. You'd have to be a real Microsoft fan to run a Surface. That 4 grand+ one is an 11th gen i7 with a 3060 That's a $1,500 PC tops.

[@nodak81]

@@1pcfred Do you think a new PC just magically comes with Windows for free? lol

[@1pcfred]

​@@nodak81 if the PC is a prebuilt it basically is free. Private users mostly run unregistered copies of Windows too. Or they have some bogus product key they got from somewhere. Windows 11 pro keys are going for $4.99 all day long. Let's be real here.

[@Porkypies6m]

ie. we dont want you moving to Linux out of our control

[@Britec09]

Maybe they did not know how many people where on Windows 10 who couldn't update to Windows 11

[@Porkypies6m]

@@Britec09 i would have thought that they know everything about the system people are using every time they updated their computer...just a thought

[@Sirlarrythecat]

The Linux user share is what now? its a niche O/S and has been vastly blown out of proportion even after MS puts Windows 10 out to pasture Linux will still be under 10% user share so I doubt MS are filling their underwear about it.

[@WXSEDY]

I don't think Windows will be going anywhere any time soon. Even the more honest Linux guru's will tell you that it's still not ready for the average user. But for the adventurist thrill seeker who may be sick and tired of paying _"Billy the Kid"_ (Bill Gates), Linux Mint may be something to consider. But again, Linux is NOT for the faint of heart who don't understand all the more advanced _geekdom_ in's & outs. (Maybe try Linux's very close cousin first - Mac O$ or possibly Android!)

[@YaSheNePrydumav]

​@@Porkypies6mwell the new windows management doesn't care, and even the designers weren't using windows at all

[@peterjol]

It's never made sense to me that my old but expensive Dell computer with an i7 processor isn't good enough hardware to update to windows 11

[@jamesvandamme7786]

My 11 year old Inspiron 620 is laughably inadequate by MS standards. It runs Kubuntu or Mint fine, and MX Linux like ringin' a bell. It had 16 GB of RAM, so I took out half of it and saved it for later. I mean, why burn power for nothing? Using 3 GB right now with a bunch of tabs open.

[@zeenxdownz]

​@@jamesvandamme7786..why did you take out half your ram?

[@toke7560]

Like everything in this corrupt modern age. THEY are conning the people. I'v hated them since they stopped VISTA.

[@rennmaxbeta]

Same. My 2011 Dell XPS laptop is still adequate enough

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Yep. i7 4790k user here. It was my gaming rig up until I used some COVID bucks to upgrade it. Back in 2020 I played Red Dead Redemption 2 and Witcher 3 on that system and you're telling me it's not good enough to run Windows? Stroll on.

[@thomasschoeck9080]

I have a computer from the mid-to-late 2010s with an older CPU. The Windows Upgrade section in Windows 10 used to say that this system does not meet the system requirements for Windows 11. Now it says “Get Ready for Windows 11” but does not have an upgrade button yet. Aside from having an older CPU it otherwise meets the requirements.

[@zakazanyphoenix3573]

you still need SSE 4.2 for windows 11 24h2 no matter tpm 2.0 is there nor not

[@Diptangshu813]

Got a 7th gen i7 processor here. Apart from that, everything checks out. Currently dual-booting Mint and slowly migrating over to Linux club.

[@ronniefromOR]

same boat

[@WXSEDY]

I'm running Windows 11 on a _third_ generation i3 with 8GB RAM and it works pretty good too (Dell Inspiron 660)! All you need to do is install Windows from a USB that has been prepared a particular way which strips out all the unnecessary bloat and other stupid requirements. I believe BriTec even did a video or two on how to do this too! But if you have Windows 10 installed and just want to upgrade I suspect you could use that install USB to upgrade that way - just don't use the Microsoft online method. (Download the ISO, make adjustments and create the USB or DVD as per Brian's video and then run the setup instead of booting with it. That _should_ work!) ...And if you get stumped on the Network requirement BS during W11 setup, hit "Shift" + "F10" to get to a CLI, type in, "oobe \BypassNRO", exit the CLI and reboot. Next time you get to the Network requirement during setup, you'll see the ability to bypass it. (You're welcome!)

[@williamyf]

@@Diptangshu813 You are exacly in the bittersweet/sweet&sour place where, if you go to "unsuported" Win11, everything will work allright for the life of Win11 (except if you are extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY unlucky). So, you may go ahead and install Win11. Just be sure to get the latest UEFI, enable PTT (i.e. UEFI TPM 2.0), get as many DCH drivers as possible, and make sure your drivers play nice with HVCI & MBEC. The only hasle will be installing each 2xH2 manually... Having said that, if you are able to migrate to linux, do so in earnest, and don't look back.

[@SevenSixTwo2012]

Wasn't Windows 10 "the last Windows you'll ever need to install", according to Microsoft in 2015 ? They were touting Win 10 as forever updateable. Yet here we are, lol. 💩

[@MethaneHurricane]

I remember that too. All the new crap was supposed to be delivered by Windows update once you made the jump to win10. Perhaps they couldn't deploy truly diabolical stuff like Recall that they hadn't thought of in 2015 without a major change to the platform? Whatever their reason, it's time for me to find a good Linux distro. The Windows situation is just getting out of control.

[@Codyslx]

Microsoft has never said that, like ever.

[@SevenSixTwo2012]

@@Codyslx Google is your friend, friend : "At the 2015 Ignite conference, Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the "last version of Windows", a statement reflecting the company's intent to apply the software as a service business model to Windows, with new versions and updates to be released over an indefinite period."

[@Codyslx]

@SevenSixTwo2012 So a single employee said it? Did the company ever come out and officially announce that windows 10 was the last windows? Also does that guy still work at Microsoft because i guarantee he doesn't. You can't twist some guy, a mere employee at that, words as a vision for the entire company. When did the CEO come out an make that announcement? Just link me the source.

[@SevenSixTwo2012]

@@Codyslx It's called a *representative* , not employee. He spoke for the company and his words reached millions of users, who then chose to "upgrade" to Windows 10 : the last Windows OS they'll ever need to upgrade to, supposedly. Your strawman argument is no good here, friendo. Try gaslighting somewhere else. P.S. Did Microsoft issue a correction to that statement, if it wasn't true? No, they did NOT. They went along with it juuust fine!

[@PhoticSneezeOne]

I am sure Valve´s announcement of Steam OS has nothing to do with Microsoft´s change of mind.

[@Epic3032]

I'm pretty sure that triggered them to do so haha

[@HailNihilism]

I can't wait. Goodbye bloated spyware. Steam OS is going to have crazy good performance without all the windows BS. If they can work out how to run games and programs that would normally be only windows steam will dominate the consumer market.

[@looking_33]

Steam OS has existed for years

[@VektrumSimulacrum]

​@looking_33 existed yes, available no. Now that they're actually going to start putting it out there on more devices it's harder for MS to ignore.

[@williamyf]

Microsoft has not made any changes. They still require TPM 2, they are still requiring 8gen or latter, they are still requiring Zen2 or latter, they are still requiring DX12 with WDDM 2.0, they are still requiring DCH drivers. The only change, is that they are making as explicit as possible and as in your face as possible that, if you run on unssuported hardware, you are on your own, and things may break. Probably, this has more to do with RUFUS making it super-simple to bypass all the checks, than with SteamOS

[@aman11025]

Windows 11 is the advertisement for linux.

[@WedgeBob]

Right? I definitely see Ubuntu and/or Linux Mint becoming the NEW "Windows" for a lot of people come 2025.

[@SonicFreak77]

built a new pc last week and made the switch to endeavourOS. I still have some trouble with internet speed though because of driver problems...everything else works just fine tho.

[@goshu7009]

Linux is not even a real alternative. Harmony OS will be.

[@jimb-o4h]

windows 8 and 8.1 was the disaster that caused me to dump windows for linux 9 years ago.

[@EnsignTaurik]

Linux is not (at least yet) a viable solution for the average PC user.

[@wwsoapbox6921]

We have not needed TPM2 for 30 years. What great security threat has arisen that the average user suddenly needs it right now? This is another MSFT miscalculation like Windows 8.

[@lucasrem]

Why should you ever need Trusted Platform ? Not needed for consumers. What you need is a Fire Wall, DMZ !

[@Tithulta1]

Exactly and i DO NOT like that THEY CONTROL THE KEY TO UNLOCK YOUR PC, that info should be on OUR PC, NOT THEIR CLOUD.

[@MTN1601]

They required TPM just for bitlocker, which no one cares. Instead of protecting my laptop, it locked out my laptop, making me disable it.

[@keithfrank1303]

I used win 7 64 ult to replace 8.1 . The win 7 free upgraded to win 10 pro . Problem solved .

[@gwgux]

When a company makes a move like that which is just splitting hairs in how they word things, then it's an indication of a lawsuit happening or is likely to happen and/or them appeasing governing regulators in some regions. There is no doubt in my mind that Microsoft really does NOT care about the e-waste or that they are forcing people to buy new hardware that they can't afford. This is just a "If you do this, this is how you can do it, but you're on your own from now on. I'm done with you." type of statement. There's no doubt that Microsoft has been taking a LOT of flak from the tech community over their nonsensical system requirements (and rightly so). However, they have noticed that there's a possibility of it biting later so they put that update out to be able to tell people, "I told you this was a bad idea, but you did it anyway. You're on your own." Now there's no case for any future lawsuits against them when things eventually break for people. This is NOT a win for the tech community in my mind. This is just another form of their hard line stance on the issue. The only way for there to be a win for the tech community is if Microsoft does one of three things: 1) Extend free updates and patching support for Windows 10 beyond the October 2025 deadline. 2) Lower the system requirements. 3) Release an edition of Windows 11 specifically for low powered/older PCs like a "lite edition" that is officially supported. Until Microsoft decides to do one of those three things, there is no "win" for the tech community over this issue. Acknowledging that people are doing to do what they want outside of what Microsoft prefers them to do is not really a win when it's really just, "You're on your own now." When things eventually break, and we all know this is a real possibility, now Microsoft is not on the hook for those breaks that they cause with their patches and updates for people on unsupported hardware.

[@Iveraghboy]

Sales Department panicking over Christmas Bonus.

[@WXSEDY]

I think you spelled Christmas "Boner" wrong. 🤣

[@peterbroad6793]

Brilliant! The C suite don’t wan’t to follow Pat Gelsinger into “retirement”

[@paulbinmo]

I assumed we were enrolled in the Jelly of the month club? 🤔🤔

[@nevedofficial466]

Tariffs tariffs tariffs.

[@grumpysgarage4790]

😂😂😂

[@garminizator]

Microsoft: We won't support you, but we'll still gladly collect every bit of data off of you any way we possibly can and no, we don't care how awful the experience is gonna be for you.

[@peterdobson3435]

Of course they had to put "Install at your own risk" into an expanded legal explanation of the dangers of installing Win 11 on unsupported hardware. This is the Microsoft legal bolt hole to avoid any litigation. They sure know how to cover their bases.

[@Britec09]

They are covering themselves

[@Mario583a]

Unsupported machines are a liability just waiting to happen. Not assets.

[@peterdobson3435]

@@Mario583a There is some truth in that, but it depends on how they are used. If they are disconnected from the internet and no one is making unsafe decisions on what goes on them, the dangers can be mitigated. In a business, one must weigh the risk vs. reward. Eventually all equipment either dies from old age or must be upgraded due to changes in your needs as a corporation.

[@HOBBS-4]

Using Windows has always been at our own risk. They rarely take responsibility if something goes wrong with peoples Computers.

[@1pcfred]

If you run Windows you've already agreed to not sue Microsoft. Read the EULA already. Don't just scroll over it and blindly click accept. Actually take the time to read and comprehend the terms. I don't even run Windows and I've done that. I appreciate a good laugh. Why anyone would knowingly agree to that I've no idea. But I do find it funny you all have.

[@Tradewind25]

I seem to remember when Win 10 was introduced we were told that it would be the last version of Windows and would simply be updated as required. Didn’t believe Microsoft then - never have trusted them!

[@einfelder8262]

Bill Gates is certainly devastated by your opinion. Did you call him and tell him??

[@jcp3a573]

I learned the truth a few weeks ago. MS never said that, it was in a article by some guy and it was badly worded. It said something like Windows 10 is the last version of Windows. It should have said Windows 10 is the latest version of Windows. Nevertheless I am surprised that MS never published a rebutal to this statement as it was all over the internet.

[@einfelder8262]

@@jcp3a573 I suspect that MS isn't worried in the slightest about journalists who can't spell, or internet keyboard warriors who "don't trust Microsoft". Fools always make me laugh :)

[@firstnamelastname9631]

If you have a W10 license you are good for 'life'. The hardware you need to run it in is another matter. As Windows evolves, it grows, it needs bigger shoes to run. In theory you could just buy a better computer without an OS, silly thing to do but possible, and transfer your existing W10 license to this new machine and then upgrade to W11 for free. Now write a letter of apology to Mr Gates.

[@watcherworld5873]

I have multiple PCs. One of them is just for browsing the web and watching KZbin videos. That PC does not meet win11 requirement. If MS insists on not allowing me to use win11, then I will just install Ubuntu on it. I am not going to spend any money just to access the web when I have a perfectly good PC doing that already.

[@1pcfred]

A lot of people have been saying Mint is a better choice over Ubuntu these days. I run Debian so I don't really know. But I've been hearing the Mint Ubuntu thing a lot lately. Folks running Mint seem real happy and some running Ubuntu are not always thrilled. So you might want to give Mint a shot. They're practically the same thing. The Mint team just seems to iron out some Ubuntu annoyances.

[@rchltmedia]

i agree. using linux in old and slow computers will always be good idea.

[@normbrown3435]

@@1pcfred I'm using Zorin 17.2 {Linux} on a Win7 computer. I installed Wine and have a few Win programs running on it. I'm happy with it.

[@1pcfred]

@@rchltmedia using Linux in new and fast computers is a better idea though. But not too new. Driver development always lags in Linux.

[@lucasrem]

Why not replace it, u use it ! for $50 you have a CPU that support it, some 2016 old crab PC !

[@johnlewis5815]

My 12 year old pc loves Linux Mint, and so do I. I suggest this route to everyone who isn’t a fan of Microsoft bloatware.

[@PC4USE1]

I have a 4th Gen G3258 with 16 gb of rams as a back up and it runs Mint like a champ-I did switch to the XFCE version to give it more breathing room but it did run Cinnamon ok.

[@erie910]

Add WPS Office and Evolution email client, and Linux Mint should be good to go. Access MS Outlook or MS 365 free through a browser, and you have the Outlook calendar available on a Linux machine.

[@HOBBS-4]

@@PC4USE1 Yeah a Pentium, your CPU may not have popcmt andsse4.2 and if not, It cannot install Windows 11 at all. Also video on KZbin may not be played over 720p. Which is still quite good. ..Keep rocking it.

[@1pcfred]

@@PC4USE1 yeah I'm on a 4th gen CPU with Linux too. I have an i5. Unless I'm doing something really processor intensive I can't complain. It takes my system maybe a half an hour to rip and encode a DVD 2 pass? It'd be nice if it could do that faster. That's the only time I really want more performance.

[@BWGPEI]

Yep. Note that LMDE was available in 32-bit and works very well on the old laptop I reconditioned.

[@JoeBlowUK]

I have an old 2012 Lenovo i5 for general office work. I've had Windows 11 on it for 1 year now. Runs lovely, never had a glitch. The computer was given to me by someone who was throwing it out to buy a new one. I put an SSD in it, along with upgrading it to 16 GB RAM and a RTX 980Ti which I had laying around. Unless you are a gamer, or work in rendering, you don't need any more than this.

[@dgc1929]

I've got an hp that originally came with windows 8. It's running 10 now. I put a 1 tb ssd and upgraded from 4 gb of ram to 16. It's like a whole different machine. Did it myself for around $125.00

[@lucasrem]

JoeBlowUK You never see that it's slow, old people do not see it...? HP gave me the option to upgrade to 11, old i7 elitebook

[@JoeBlowUK]

@@lucasrem Haha, well I also have something to compare it with, my gaming rig, which has a RTX 3090, i7 12700k cpu, 64 GB ram, quadruple screen setup. When it comes to opening a web browser, there is about half a second difference between the two. 😁

[@mukisajohnmary]

Thanks for the video, it was informative as always. In my case, I believe they have started to clamp down on old hardware running the initial versions of Win 11. In my case for the past 2 days Instead of getting updates each time I check, I have got a notice saying "Your version of Windows has reached end of service. Click to download a newer version of Windows 11 to stay updated" Of course when I click nothing happens

[@SupaBuma]

Yes, I was pretty upset that my Microsoft Surface Pro that I bought in 2018 wasn't supported to receive Windows 11 even though it past the requirements. I'll have to revisit this to see if my Surface Pro is now allowed to officially receive the update. I'll most likely perform a fresh install in hopes that Windows 11 will work smoother. Thank you for this information!

[@JLSticePro]

The TPM 2.0 requirement was originally important to making encryption of the installation drive automatic. Microsoft needed the higher capabilities of the TPM 2.0 to ensure the same level of security guarantee for their supported systems. On an unsupported system, simply not encrypting the system drive makes this requirement unnecessary during the installation and less critical to the user experience.

[@jamesdavidfisher1192]

I've been running Windows 11 on two HP ProDesk 600 G2 DM's, both "unsupported hardware" with TPM 1.2. No issues whatsoever for almost two years. I get all updates automatically when they come available. Unsupported hardware has never been a problem.

[@GarciaFan37]

The reality is that most computing platforms have been "feature complete" for a decade or more. Windows 7, Office 97, probably are enough to satisfy 95% of users. iOS and Android have had almost everything needed since about 2015. There isn't really much to add for average users. Yes, power users may enjoy some of the new stuff, but they are edge cases for the most part.

[@geoffh2560]

well said. I remember Windows98 coming out and thinking 'oh yeah finally we are there with a stable OS - no need for anything beyond this'.

[@alancooling6989]

Agree, theres nothing much they can do except make everything more complicated. I think people are working this out and are therefore reluctant to play microsofts money grabbing games. I saw on another video that microsoft are doing extended updates for windows 10, BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY.

[@rickcole6990]

I don't want to get rid of my Win 7!

[@takethe101totarzana4]

@@rickcole6990 Win 7 was excellent

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

This is the nub of it. First semester of business class we learned what happens when a product hits market saturation and the perverse incentives that creates. Microsoft got to that point 15 or 20 years ago.

[@bk14biker]

I installed Windows 11 on my nine year old PC a few weeks ago. It met all of the requirements apart from Microsoft saying they didn't support my particular processor. The only thing I had to do was reinstall a couple of programs. Otherwise no problems at all.

[@williamyf]

if your unsupported processor is 7th gen, you have "almost" nothing to fear. You will be alright. Otherwise, be careful. Keep backups, and a plan to go back to Win10+ESU

[@WXSEDY]

I had it working on something even older than that! Athlon II (Socket AM3) with 8G RAM and no goofy UEFI - just a standard old BIOS. However, it does seem that Windows 11 may explode and fall on it's face if you try it on a 32-bit system (which Windows 10 can still do).

[@CamelCasee]

Is it slow?

[@qdllc]

They don’t want a repeat of Windows8 where not enough people bought the latest OS.

[@glencwilson]

My 10year old PC does everything I need. Runs the games I play just fine and Photoshop, etc are also running well. Seems daft to ditch a perfectly functional PC.

[@johnhooton8299]

My old HP Envy meets all the requirements bar one that my i7 processor is not supported, and I have noticed over the last few updates it has started to chug along, perhaps it may be the plan to slow old PCs down forcing my hand into purchasing a new system, as I have not changed or installed any new software or games on my system and they always worked and played fine, now if Windows 11 is a simple upgrade I may check it out for the 9 days as I don't fancy reinstalling Steam and World of Warships again...

[@samuraiwarriorsunite]

They originally said you need secure boot and TPM 2.0. They realized that many older systems have both of these features but most likely disabled in Bios, so they add the processor requirement. Then they say TPM 2.0 is an absolute must, now they're allowing Windows 11 on unsupported hardware, although what's the point if you won't receive security updates. And the beat goes on, it seems. I migrated to Linux about 5 months ago and have had no problems worth mentioning. I sure hope Microsoft doesn't drop the processor requirement, I can imagine how pissed people who would be if they bought a new machine simply because of that one reason.

[@TheyCallMeJTK]

I had Windows 11 on a hard drive, and then I put that into an unsupported PC and it's working fine and it's even getting all the updates

[@samuraiwarriorsunite]

True, but they could disable that anytime they choose, but a lot of machines are running Windows 11 on unsupported hardware, thus making them money through their spying telemetry. People like me have left the platform; people like you are running it on hardware they don't like, while the majority of people are still on Windows 10 because they hate Windows 11. It's a FUBAR situation, and Microsoft is starting to realize it. If they had kept their word and truly made Windows 10 the last operating system, they wouldn't be having these problems that they created.

[@iTCXtreme]

Still no support for older devices. Tried a clean installation on a lenovo thinkpad x280, no luck...

[@steveaustin330]

I've noticed a significant increase of people going to sites asking for advice on installing Windows 10/11 iot ltsc, I bet Microsoft saw that as well.

[@WXSEDY]

Not a real good idea since the "LTSC" is meant for servers and any updates for it might not apply to the regular "desktop" versions. So, say there is a discovered vulnerability and Microsoft issues a critical update for the Windows "explorer" (which is a strong likelihood now that Recall is intertwined with it) you might not get that update for a while - if, at all! P.S. Windows Explorer and _Internet_ Explorer (which is pretty much dead) are NOT the same thing!

[@Mario583a]

@@WXSEDY "Not a real good idea since the "LTSC" is meant for servers" Businesses where they only care about longstanding security.

[@HOBBS-4]

Yeah many of them lost money due to malware from the scripts they used to activate the license.

[@WXSEDY]

@@Mario583a Not exactly. Servers simply require different software _components._ For example, a server may have all the Apachee components necessary to serve up web pages, whereas a desktop system use won't need any of it. Conversely, various desktop components might be added (or patched in) whereas any server functions could care less. So, if you use a server OS for desktop use you may never get certain critical security updates. More likely, any updates will probably be delayed since Microsoft doesn't provide updates for their server OS's nearly as often as their desktop versions. In the meantime, your system could become compromised for no other reason that you just didn't get a necessary security patch or didn't get it in time.

[@spunker88]

@@WXSEDY Except LTSC is not a server OS, its a workstation OS based off Windows Enterprise. It gets security updates every patch Tuesday just like any other edition of Windows. Unlike regular Windows it only get security updates which is a good thing, regular Windows has to deal with buggy "feature" updates that break things, and add bloat, LTSC has none of that.

[@Grid21]

I mean if you're really smart with Registry editor, you can trick Windows 11 to install all the security updates whether they are supported or not. Windows in general is SO EASY to hack up and bend to your will it's insane really.

[@hyperseah]

I am running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel 2nd Gen (7 to 10 to 11 upgrades). The problems you might encounter would be missing drivers (network, graphics, touchpad, etc.) but most Win 10 drivers should work.

[@robytar]

M$ will be sure to make the whole process difficult.

[@hyperseah]

@robytar I am not surprised.

[@robpet4424]

The only end of life that matters to me is my own......

[@mattbosley3531]

I've only installed Windows 11 on one "unsupported" computer. It's a Surface Pro that has TPM 2.0 but has a 7th gen processor which isn't supported according to Microsoft's list. I did it because you can install Linux on it but it's tricky and not everything works. By the way, the 10 day rollback thing is easy to get around. Just do a full backup image of your system drive before you upgrade to Windows 11 using bootable backup software such as Macrium Reflect Free.

[@matthewmoore757]

My old machine lacks SSE4.2 instruction. So i'm screwed either way. Even on Linux things are starting to not work. Certain applications like the most recent version of blender require that intruction set. And the spotify desktop client from flathub does too. Its time i get new hardware. But i sadley cant afford it rn.

[@PhoticSneezeOne]

Which CPU do you have? Maybe there is a way

[@mementocity]

weird, last time it did ran under linux on my 775, 3.8version

[@HOBBS-4]

Use other software, that it can handle. Instead of OBS use Simple screen recorder. Watch video at 720p.

[@matthewmoore757]

@@HOBBS-4 Simple screen recorder doesn't work with Wayland. Which is quickly becoming the new default for many Distros. Fedora, Arch, and the next version of Debian. All will default to Wayland.

[@matthewmoore757]

@@PhoticSneezeOne AMD Phenom x6 1090T Black edition. Overclocked to 4.2 Ghz. It's plenty powerful for Windows 11. It's just lacks the SSE4.2 instruction set.

[@Badg0r]

I can't wait on all the not supported hardware to come on the market places for Linux installs.

[@Ellifiknow]

Windows 11 is the best thing that ever happened to Linux.

[@Al_Lergic]

How much market share Linux have now? I'm only going to use Linux if it gets more than 40% of market share.

[@zdspider6778]

I think Windows Vista was the best thing that ever happened to Linux. It made me switch to Arch Linux for like 9 years. I skipped Vista, 7 (used 7 at work), 8 and 8.1.

[@wilk85]

Who cares when you move to linux dude. Do what ever you want, stay on windows forever even you choice

[@shoechew]

Some lead, some can only follow.

[@RedMAGACult]

AMEN to that! I'm sure your going to see Linux user stats hit the roof in the near future!

[@Thorsten.Youtube]

I have already moved to Linux completely after being frustrated by having a capable laptop whose processor (albeit being stronger than some on the Win 11 supported Hardware list) was not supported. Thank you millions, Microsoft, you opend a whole new world for me with your Win 11 resttictions, this was the best you did for me and anyone in the last 30+ years! I'm grateful not having to be part of the "Recall-ecosystrm" anymore. You're the best, Microsoft, thank you for supporting Linux and all the best!

[@MegaSnow121]

MS needs to keep supporting WIN 10 past Oct. 2025. That would solve this problem.

[@dejedejsson]

Well, didn't they say that win10 would be the last one when it was launched!?

[@mission3479]

Windows 11 was supposed to be a gift to PC manufacturers, to help revitalize their slumping computer sales, but nobody's buying it

[@robytar]

Does want take out their microwave oven, dishwasher, clothes washer/dryer (I could go on and on), just because they want a new model, NO. PC's now are thought of as another appliance.

[@lazm3518]

It's the first step in lowering the requirements away from TPM 2.0

[@wellhookedWA]

Windows 11 has been a disaster for me. My Epson Printer will no longer work and the drivers won't be recognised or accepted by Windows 11. Luckily my old laptop is still running Windows 10. So, I'm in the ridiculous situation of having to email files to the other computer and then printing from there. And don't get me started on the interminable and uncontrolled updates. Thanks for your informative video

[@robt2151]

I have a similar problem with peripherals which are still fully functional but their manufacturers did not have the integrity to update their drivers. So I have an XP machine to continue to use them.

[@ericbentsen1785]

This is a good reason to upgrade to Windows 11 just to test out your peripherals and programs, but in only 10 days, who has the time?

[@wellhookedWA]

@@robt2151 Thaks for that. I'm sure there are many others who have been caught out.

[@mag-s7]

Is like using a beta operation system. Just now is asking me if I want to update to a new App center. When did it come to be old 😂

[@bobmorgan1575]

I ran into that when we replaced my wife's dead laptop and the new one immediately upgraded to Win11. Had to replace a perfectly fine Canon printer because it's not supported in Win11 and the Win10 drivers would not work either. That laptop got a cup of coffee dumped on it, no great loss to my mind, and I've transitioned everything to Ubuntu.

[@randallsmith2521]

This is shaping up to be a bit of a Windows XP or Windows 7 moment for Microsoft. I have a feeling that they will either support security updates on "unsupported" hardware for Windows 11, or they are going to extend Windows 10 support.

[@rennmaxbeta]

I'm guessing an extension of Windows 10 security updates, into mid-2026 maybe..

[@takumikid]

i dont like how we have to swich os every 2 -5 years just cuz a big company says we dont support this os anymore because our newest os is what we want you to use (regardless if its actually decent or not) it needs to stop

[@PapaC-o9b]

its crazy about a year ago i put win 11 on a 10 year old galaxy tab with 4gb ram and a quad core and to this day its running fine not the fastest but gets the job done.

[@motoryzen]

Is Samsung's own operating system that much more horrible than micro crap when turd 11? I sincerely doubt that although I haven't used it very much to be honest both of them actually

[@PapaC-o9b]

@@motoryzen well i didn't do it to see which is the best i did it to see if i could bud. i run linux on my main riggs apart from my VR rigg which has win11 on for the VR drivers. thanks.

[@Mario583a]

Fine is sub-optimal and the polar opposite of how Microsoft want the end-user's experience to be. Upgrade the ram if you can.

[@zeenxdownz]

Wait how? I have a 9 year old galaxy tab

[@Garth2011]

Brian...which screen reader software are you using that enables recording of the shut down and boot up process with windows?

[@davidgardiner4720]

If I wanted just a higher quality experience I'd still be using Windows 7.

[@kensmith5694]

.... or you would have switched to Linux.

[@1pcfred]

@@kensmith5694 softies have no idea how responsive PCs really can be. We should have the Emeril sound clip running in a loop on Linux. Bam!

[@kensmith5694]

@@1pcfred Yes, given that a Raspberry PI 500 is a usable machine for people with a CPU that could be powered with a hand crank, the efficiency of a good Linux install is really-really good. There is a reason super computers and nearly all servers and nearly all routers all run Linux.

[@1pcfred]

@@kensmith5694 there's a couple reasons why Linux won. Not the least of which was Linux being free. Free in all senses. The licensing was right and so was access to the source to modify it. That's allowed Linux to gain quite an advantage in many spaces.

[@lucasrem]

@@kensmith5694 What is the system running ? cloud internet services ? many services run better on UNIX, Windows has to many overhead. Windows, only for consumers ! Never when you run services and Cloud apps etc.

[@sevenfacedsin]

I tried really hard to like Windows 11. I used it for a week. My plan is to use Windows 10 Pro until EoL and then go 10 IoT LTSC or just full-blown Linux. Windows 11 can F right off.

[@Chicken-o5e]

windows 11 on startup for me is so bad the taskbar and sign in loading screen freezes for 10 seconds. and random blue screens of deaths and i went thru countless diagnostics to fix it and nothing. i dont want to re install windows as that might make windows put more bloatware again that i worked so hard to remove...sigh. why does it feel like im fighting a full on battle against my damn computer just to have it stable?? now i understand why console gamers dont switch to pc, they dont want to bother fixing and tuning forever as they already dont even know how to use one to an extent. rant over

[@1pcfred]

Is a week really long enough to give something a chance? Keep at it.

[@sevenfacedsin]

@ it is for me. I use my PC quite a bit. The UI is unintuitive and ugly. Settings are a mess. Had problems with older games. It felt like the longer I used it, the slower it got. Animations were laggy and not smooth, unless I ran high performance power plans, or turned off animations. That laggy / jerky animation issue seems to be board. My PC is completely capable of running these animations smoothly, but the UI is jacked. I have my PC hooked to a 52” 4k TV. The UI is not really big screen friendly. I hate the start menu. Alternatives aren’t the solution, because they can break Windows updates, last I knew. Disabling telemetry in group policy would sometimes revert to being enabled. In fact, most of the settings I set up in group policy editor had reverted, especially all of the OneDrive nonsense. I also had to safe boot, it jacked my PIN, and was a pain in the ass to reset. Almost locked me out of my PC. I will say, gaming was pretty good once I turned core isolation off. I seemed to get a little better on the 1% lows as compared to 10 Pro, but it was still in the margin of error.

[@robt2151]

A week? - I dumped it after three days and replaced it with Ubuntu.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Try Linux Mint on a flash drive to see how scary it is.

[@lopezhaji]

Thats a good start for microsoft, listening to the PC community Thanks for the content creators and consumers that calling out Microsoft on their bs.

[@motoryzen]

Microsoft is not listening to you or any other windows user. The only reason they're doing this is because their corporate sales management team is getting heat from the head dog or dogs of Microsoft including Satya Nadella himself in that he wants to see market share AKA user base of Windows 11 sky rocket before the end of the year. If you think Microsoft has ever given a crap about what you think, you are severely naive. What's next do you actually think any and all politicians give a flying butt nugget crap about what you think too? Ron Paul is the only logical and intelligent exception you can make to that save for one act done by John F Kennedy which was executive order 11110 or 0.11 which involves giving the power to print and control our debts and currency back to the US Treasury where it belongs and should have stayed to begin with You got to put on your critical thinking and questioning caps people it's not rocket science

[@GreggyMcfly]

That's still not good enough. Quite frankly, it's too late. Windows 11's reputation is tarnished by being a buggy mess and by being a privacy mess. If the OS has to be more expensive with no ads, let it be. I'd rather have Windows Pro that is for Professionals instead of Windows Pro that installs Candy Crush on my client's PC. It is a nightmare and my clients are like "what the hell is this?"

[@stephenmason5682]

What about recall?

[@lopezhaji]

@@GreggyMcfly definitely, I'll still stay on Windows 10 and not planning to upgrade to Windows 11 until EOL(Oct. 2025) or until they polish the Windows 11 to be good enough

[@motoryzen]

@GreggyMcfly do you honestly think that Microsoft will forever ensure that you don't get a bunch of ads in Telemetry and other nonsense on your pro version of Windows that you bought a license copy of 🤣... get real Telemetry has been a thing since even Windows XP Pro back eons ago let alone today. Now whether or not you see ads for Candy Crush or anything else that remains to be seen depending on the individual add depending on what item or program or process you launch to complete a certain tasks with

[@brianicia]

It took me some time to transition away from XP, so I plan to keep using Windows 10 even after October 2025.

[@digitalmagicAR]

Win11: more spyware, more bloatware, more reason not to "upgrade"

[@nielsdebakker3283]

December 2024 w11 22H2 stopped updating, updated to 24H2 via the /product server path. Before the update I made sure my processor(amd 2500U) is supporting popcnt instruction (SSE4.2(intel) SSE4A(amd))

[@dejedejsson]

Not supporting older computers is downright environmentally unfriendly and should be banned. You shouldn't have to throw away a 10-year-old, fully functional computer. The EU should put a stop to this if they are serious about their climate goals!

[@Clavichordist]

But why would I want to do that? I have two Windows 10 machines. One is an old Dell XPS-18 All-in-1 used as a sheet music viewer. This system runs some proprietary software that does not install in Windows 11, but runs fine in Windows 10. The machine ran perfectly fine until Microsoft decided to make Windows 10 like Windows 11 by putting the AI junk into the OS. Now that machine runs like a$$ and is too slow to be useful. IMO, they did this to force people to upgrade to new hardware with Windows 11 and apparently that little scheme they had backfired. The other machine is an i7 Dell desktop used to run MIDI software and for music editing using Avid'd Sibelius. I had both running on an i9-12900K under Windows 11 and there were constant latency issues caused by Windows 11 constantly doing its crappy network stuff, cloud-checking, and everything else. When I swapped to the Windows 10 machine, all that went away and there is no longer the extra crap running in the background after I did some major cleanup that I couldn't do with Windows 11. When the security updates die on Windows 10, I'll continue to use these machines for their proprietary use. They're not used for day-to-day use such as gaming and internet browsing. There is one more annoyance, that's really worse than Windows 11. Microsoft's forced user to use the One Drive by moving all user-data folders on to the cloud. This should be an optional thing. When Microsoft did this to me, I received a message saying I didn't have enough space on my One Drive to fit my data and I could purchase more space! When I checked and saw they had copied up my documents and music folder, I went through a lengthy process of reversing this and disabling the One Drive, and actually deleting the applet from my system. With well over 5 TB of music files in the Music folder, and countless documents and virtual machines I keep in my Documents folder adding up to well north of 2 TB, this made for an unwanted situation. As a power user and retired IT support engineer, I am well aware of backups, data loss and the risks associated with that,and have adequate resources available for backups, and don't need to put everything in an unsecure location. Again, like Microsoft's scheme to strong-arm people into upgrading to Windows 11 by telling them their computers are too small, this too is yet another scheme to force people to spend money on additional space on their One Drive storage.

[@slomotrainwreck]

My software updates are coming from my current Linux distro - Debian 12 Bookworm.

[@rchltmedia]

debian testing/unstable works without issues. you can stick to bookworm when you not sure.

[@petar0402]

@@rchltmedia Yeah, well - no. I used testing for a year, and then switched "back" to stable because of some issues with updates. Stable has a bit old software, it's boring, but it works.

[@Muksanim2012]

TPM requirement demonstrates the farce from MS. The check is for the connector/socket. It does not actually check to verify that a TPM is present. So the certified computer can install Windows 11. No TPM needs to reside on the motherboard. Isn't this stupid double speak from MS?

[@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm]

Thank you sir! Microsoft are just DETERMINED to drag Windows OS through the mud. Users be damned...

[@joachimmbala]

as was Windows 7 against any other Windows products, Windows 10 is still up to now a better product compared to 11. The upgrade from any other windows to Windows 10 was very smooth, and the only requirements we needed to deal with were the size of the RAM and the size of HDD. Microsoft should concentrate on the Operating System not helping computers manufacturers to sell their hardwares. What was expecting Microsoft, we throw away all these powerful PCs we have been building because of Windows 11? How this will be affecting the environment?

[@robytar]

Microsoft and Boeing, what a mess of very large US corporations (and basically monopolies).

[@ErgonBill]

They are giving leeway in order to have as many people as possible to have Co-Pilot installed on their system. It is of more value to them.

[@csumme7]

If they say installing Windows 11 on an unsupported device they will not support it. So it will be unsupported? That would be the same as Windows 10 till October 2025. So Upgrade to an unsupported OS or continue using my supported OS till next year and be in the same boat then anyway.

[@fecklesstech929]

Too late. I've already installed Linux on all my laptop and desktop machines. I'm done with hardware mandates, forced microsoft accounts, Edge, Copilot, Recall, Onedrive, and Bitlocker. Microsoft has gone insane. It's my computer--not theirs. Windows 10 is where my microsoft journey ends.

[@1pcfred]

That's all well and good if you can get along with Linux. Not everyone can. I run Linux but I have to acknowledge that it isn't for everyone. Linux can even make me question my choice at times.

[@DarthRevan2.0117]

@@1pcfred stop dude.

[@1pcfred]

@@DarthRevan2.0117 I'm not your dude and I'm not going to stop either.

[@roccociccone597]

​@@1pcfred lol cringe

[@imTheMrBEAN]

I'm moving over to Linux mint before end of support of w10 next year

[@CarolinaGuy]

This is a win. People don't want to have to buy a new PC, laptop, etc. to run the new software. These corporate thieves need to be spoken to with our dollars period.

[@steveh2544]

Really useful to know this. 👍 . Thank you Brian.

[@thetechtester5634]

my PC got bricked while updating . Proceed at your own risk. It was continuously plugged in and had no other issues but it just tried to restart at 87 percent..... Now im very afraid . Can anyone help me recover my pc . It shows OS not found

[@benjismall3762]

I installed windows 11 without tpm. It works fine and I recieve regular updates

[@peterchase2224]

It's too late. Already switched to fedora, tired of full screen ads when I launch my computer trying to get me to upgrade it but cloud storage

[@halvarf]

I don't get what you think has changed. There was always a technical possibility to install Windows 11 on older hardware with some tricks, the reason not to do it was that Microsoft didn''t guarantee to provide security and other updates for these installs in the future. So basically nothing has changed at all, it's still unsupported and the risk is with the user.

[@Raletia]

My understanding is, what has changed is rather than being blocked by the installer and having to use bypasses, it just gives a warning now but lets you procede.

[@JustMyFish]

@@Raletia yep that is correct but still if you're going to do it do it with the bypasses, Microsoft have no way of knowing your system is unsupported once its installed that way.

[@halvarf]

@@Raletia That's not true though (yet?). The installer still blocks it, like before.

[@Raletia]

@@halvarf I guess I should say it sounds like their intention. The language I saw talked about having to accept a disclaimer of not getting support, blah blah. Anecdotally, I saw a comment on one of the vids I watched about someone's unsupported machine, switching from saying 'Windows 11 is not supported on your PC.' to something like 'Windows 11 will be available for you device soon.' --I forget the exact wording now. I imagine it's going to be a more relevant change regarding people getting 11 through windows update than fresh installs. Updating the ISO might be a low priority.

[@N0zer0]

08:00 you got a link to that gorgeous wallpaper?

[@RobsStang]

That’s one of the random ones that comes up on Windows 11 - had it on my work pc the other day.

[@tjhessmon4327]

Back in the old days (1990s), when Windows would update, people were forced to purchase new hardware. As time progressed however, this requirement to change hardware vanished.... and now it returned with Windows 11. However, the tides have changed and Microsoft finds itself living in a deep recession in America, with little hope Of the general public or other countries purchasing new hardware in order to run their software. Microsofts business has dwindled, with the majority of its private users switching to tablets and cellphone OS's. This leaves Microsoft with its majority customers being Businesses, and Governments. In a recession, neither of these entities are likely to purchase new computer hardware. There in lies the problem. The only solution is to extend the use of W10 or allow users to run W11 on unsupported hardware. Microsoft is no longer the computer King it once was. Therefore, It does not hold the power of forced change it once did, and they are just realizing this, to their dismay...

[@jmbrady1]

Microsoft clearly has forgotten they are beholden to their customers not their shareholders

[@mistermac56]

My business is using the Windows 11 Enterprise IoT volume license and we do not get the warning message installing on unsupported hardware at all. We only had to upgrade two drivers and not having any issues.

[@jiggybucksington]

24H2 on older hardware definitely causes issues. Kept over writing my gpu driver to the point where I bricked my install and kept getting critical failure bsods. I went back to 23H2 with a fresh install for my file server/plex pc and it doesn’t overwrite the driver anymore.

[@forgotten893]

That one is most likely on the driver manufacturer putting 23H2 as it's last supported Windows version. It'll still let you install, but Windows reads the inf file and sees that it is unsupported and so it installs its own generic driver in its place. You can disable this function with a registry entry.

[@jiggybucksington]

@ the problem arises when trying to use the amd Radeon app. Doesn’t match the driver so crashes. Using ddu in safe mode causes the error. A few times I was able to restore the backup it made but after a while it just gave up and my install was bricked. Made sure I setup windows without Ethernet until I installed the current driver. Now the older driver shows up under optional updates which is fine because the newer one is better optimized regardless of what windows update says. If I were to ever install the optional driver it will forever overwrite whatever I do after that no matter what steps I take to prevent it.

[@mikerose7100]

There’s not always a 10 day limit on rolling back. I had Windows 11 on my PC for many months and was continually having trouble with Realtek drivers. As the driver errors got worse, I eventually was offered an option to roll back to Windows 10. I did that and the driver issues went away, but this was much later than 10 days after installation.

[@paultapping9510]

too little, too late for me. Hopped over to linux, haven't been as happy with my setup in a looong time. super worth the learning curve.

[@bernards8050]

my experience: I have a Dell Latitude E7470 i5 6th Gen (Pro license). I updated TPM form 1.2 to 2.0 from the Dell web site. I checked also for Secure Boot. And then with a normal Win 11 download, Win 11 Pro installed normally with no warning messages over Win 10. The monthly updates seem normal and the result is version 23H2 but so far no mention of 24H2.

[@mikavsn]

Thank you for share

[@blugoose86]

Guess what. My unsupported WINDOWS 7 pc runs just fine. Putting up with the consistent reminders telling me I need to upgrade to windows 10 is a pain in the butt, but then so are most of microsoft's apps. They've been trying to scare us into upgrading since Windows XP, Win XP sp2, is still the best release they ever put out in my book. They could have upgraded the basic architecture to change the 4.0 memory limitation without rewriting the entire program. Why not? They wouldn't make the billions of dollars they would make just continuing their support. It's not about you, or me or our security. It's about money. Money, Money, MONEY!!! Period!

[@karld001]

I have a program on my Win10 computer that cannot be purchased any longer, the developer died and his kids shut down the company. I haven't found a a way to transfer the program to my windows 11 computer.

[@jamiec8096]

Run Windows 10 in a Virtual Machine.

[@ayikart]

I already switched to linux & not going back.

[@computersrepaircotesaint-l7407]

Brian, I'm so happy to have you as a friend. so much valuables info

[@andersistbesser]

I dont want 11. it has nothing to give me any reason to upgrade.

[@NormanF62]

I run Windows 11 on two unsupported PCs with no issues and I still get the monthly updates from Microsoft which install without incident. Neither of my CPUs are officially supported but they run Windows 11 fine.

[@ellesmerewildwood4858]

What's the point of forcefully installing win11 on unsupported hardware if they're not giving security updates ? Might as well stay on win 10 without security updates when support stops. EFF microsoft !

[@entertainment-u1d]

Hey could you do a video on how to enable gpedit on windows 11 home?

[@carpediem673]

I upgraded to Linux. Great hardware support. Free updates forever :)

[@steves9250]

Isn’t TPM required for storing passkeys at the OS level? I know browsers and the password managers can do it at the app level.

[@mikefuston4494]

if the pcs hardware has the speed, ram and space to run windows 11 why shouldnt they have it. stop trying force people to buy a new pc

[@happyputt9709]

Ezactly

[@Mario583a]

This article is now getting passed around? Must be a slow news day as I recall the article [Ways to install Windows 11] had the instructions showcasing the warning(s) of potential compatibility issues as far back as November 2nd of 2021.

[@maynnemillares]

Customers don't deserve these drama by Microsoft. Abandon Windows, go rogue, go Linux!

[@hollyc5417]

lol linux is garbage.

[@mag-s7]

I liked Linux philosophy a lot. Installation of programs when it exists is a very nice experience and the fact that you can move your HDD to another machine and work is great. The problem is that some programs are not working correctly, some wi-fi adapters don t work, time consuming trying to fix something since it is unfixable until you know is unfixable. Nobody tells you that will not work because users are fanatic. They advise you to try things over and over that will not work. I m 50-50. I ll keep using them on some machines I know some people are working hard so I can have a free os and I appreciate it. But reality is too harsh and I tried the most supported version of Linux. I can only imagine what other versions will be

[@DJStoneSteenkamp_za]

Is there any way to get drivers for my older pc. Any program that can scan and search?

[@WXSEDY]

If all you ever do is browse the Internet, write emails, and possibly use some office apps (word processor, spreadsheet, etc.) why use Windows _at all?!_ About the _only_ reason I can see to use Windows is with certain apps (namely, Adobe which should be avoided like death)! Microsoft clearly wants to move all it's offerings to a SaaS-type system where you (you cash cow) can _forever pay your digital master, Microsoft_ for everything you do. Throw in some copyright bastardization and all that spying, I'd say it's time to jump ship and _maybe_ use Windows in a VM for those occasions when you _must_ use it.

[@erie910]

There's a free version of MS 365 which can be accessed through a browser on a Linux installation.

[@allanrichardson1468]

Also financial and tax filing apps like Quicken, TurboTax, etc which only have Windows and Mac versions, but no Linux. I know of no financial apps on Linux that can download transactions from a bank (except via browser and a file), and no tax apps on Linux that can e-Fiie (in the US at least), they require that you print and put your return in the snail mail.

[@writerpatrick]

There's also some hardware that won't run under Linux.

[@Toutvids]

@@allanrichardson1468 Taxact, everything is through your browser I've been using it for some 7 or 8 years. Why anyone wants to install a program to do taxes is beyond me. Also "HomeBank" is a cross platform free personal accounting program available in Linux. Took me about 2 seconds to find it.

[@LarsHaendler]

Unsupported hardware is the reason I switched to Linux at the beginning of this year. My old i7700 cpu is not supported by W11 but it works totally fine. Gaming, video rendering and daily task ... I have no issues at all because my 4070Ti does most of the heavy lifting.

[@WarringPacifist]

Windows on my device? NO THANK YOU! I'd rather install LINUX!

[@HistMirror]

TPM is not needed. You can search youtube to find a video that shows how to modify one entry in installation settings using notepad to bypass TPM checking

[@IV.nl1l]

then your win11 version will be unsupported by microsoft

[@HistMirror]

@IV.nl1l that is true. However, Windows 10 support will end on 10/14/2025. You can choose to have an unsupported 11 or 10 by that time

[@calholli]

I read that you can install 11 on unsupported hardware-- but they will not give you auto updates, you will have to do it manually. smh.. So they are 'worried" about our security on old hardware so much that they refuse to give you access to auto updates? What are they smok^ng over there. This is embarrass^ngly stup^d. My PC has way better specs than the minimal requirements, I just don't have secure boot-- nor do I want it. So because of that, I can't have updates now? It's insane. I've already switched one laptop to Linux and I'll be jumping others over soon enough.. because this is beyond ^gnorant

[@JustMyFish]

incorrect

[@zeenxdownz]

​@@JustMyFish?

[@mrb.5610]

Been running 11 on an unsupported AMD FX 9590 for 2 years without an issue - updates work just fine. Used Rufus to install - plenty of 'how to' videos and websites to tell you how.

[@calholli]

@@mrb.5610 I get that.. I know about the work arounds.. We just shouldn't have to be dealing with that. What is MS thinking? Maybe AI is going to make the internet WAY worse for people getting hacked and MS is just trying to get ahead of it? ?? lol.. nah, they're just du^b