BS The Legend of Zelda - James & Mike Mondays

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[@CpnGame]

I'm with James - when I heard "BS Zelda", I assumed it was some sort of unfair romhack.

[@bryanedds8922]

YOU KNOW WHAT'S BS???

[@uncharted_bread]

@@bryanedds8922 Word pronunciations

[@sammyshehole]

@@bryanedds8922 Bull feces?

[@anthonyvasquez6113]

Somebody actually needs to make that into a rom hack, and put it on cartridges. The true "BS Zelda".

[@Liam3072]

To answer James' question, yes, a few japanese players did record their playing on VHS at the time and you can find videos online of the games being played with the audio being broadcasted in real time. Of course, since it was a broadcast, it meant everybody heard the same thing at the same moment, so it could play, like, the overworld theme while you were in a dungeon etc. There were voice acting but not of the on-screen characters obviously since there was no way to know which characters could be seen and what they were doing on the player screen at any given moment. The game and broadcast were synced however (hence the clock) and at specific time, some game actions would automatically take place synced with the audio. In this Zelda 1 remake, the game would pause and prompt you to listen closely to the broadcast. In the Zelda-3-like game, it would cast special powers, etc. It was a pretty interesting bit of technology but overall, the real time radio broadcast thing kinda limits how much you can do... like you can't even play music that is specific to where the player is located. Still fascinating though.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Here's a tip for you. Save and quit and then start up. You'll begin on the next week. Then Level 3 and 4 open up to you. Map 2 is the 4th Quest. The 2 characters besides Link are the BS mascots (boy and girl).

[@RodimusPrimal]

Okay, I found something out about the version you are playing. Press L+R+Y+B at the inventory screen to end the week. This is how you will progress.

[@bobbybobbinson]

You're helpful!

[@cyrussryken]

RodimusPrimal I've been looking all over for an answer haha and here on a comment on an avgn video, you come to the rescue! Thanks bro

[@rome5628]

Haha BS mascots!

[@JiggyWiggyASMR]

This is *such* an interesting piece of Nintendo history I never knew about. How bizarre and fascinating!

[@JacobNintendoNerd99]

This isn't the actual BS Zelda, just a romhack of it made to be closer to the original Zelda. Link doesn't appear at all in the actual bs zelda and the game has full voice acting; the game is impossible to play on English SNES hardware. It also had true orchestral music from the official Zelda soundtracks, but only ancient stone tablets was entirely orchestral There does, however, exist a fandub for ancient stone tablets that you can run on a dedicated emulator and there exists a bs Zelda fan site where you can find this and play it

[@nykita427]

Jiggy Wiggy ASMR it is not a hack

[@ElleRoni]

Nikita Krivko As said, the original broadcast included only the girl and the boy in the baseball cap as playable characters (depending on the gender that particular satellaview console was signed up as), so having the option to play as Link is, indeed, a ROMhack. Not to mention all the translated text.

[@RodimusPrimal]

It may be a ROM hack, but it was designed to play on a Homebrew cart. That's what they are playing on.

[@ElleRoni]

RodimusPrimal Yeah, carts include ROMs. This is a hacked ROM on a cart. And that's okay.

[@KlausNESio]

Why does ganondorf hate the internet? Because there are too many links

[@live4marilyn]

😄

Fun fact: did you know are Bowser have self internet? Is called Internet Bowser

[@marlybobeats]

Yes!! Love it

[@rinzl3rs349]

Y u No Nintendo power this

[@cedhead619]

Nice. Love that.

[@gabrieleriva651]

Why the fuck Nintendo keeps these incredible games in their vault. They spent 20 fucking years before releasing Eartbound Zero outside Japan. There are some Snes Kirby games that were DISCOVERED just last year. And Nintendo is sitting on that. Among the Nes Mini stock.

[@pearlbestwaifu8753]

Mother 3.

[@lvl5Vaporeon]

Gabriele Riva At least zero came out. Mother 3 isn't getting that same treatment.

[@VarietyGamerChannel]

You can play this right now on your PC, it's called Zelda Classic and this is one of the 'quests'. Fans have made hundreds of quests.

[@paradoxzee6834]

Gabriele Riva What Kirby game?

[@iliketurtles2531]

Because not every gamers are nerds. Publishers have to calculate if releasing the game would pay off or not.

[@SalameeQueijos]

"there was another one called triforce of the gods" Triforce of the gods is actually the original title for A Link to the past

[@ZipplyZane]

SalameeQueijos He meant Ancient Stone Tablets, which was a new quest based on the LttP engine. The Satelliview also broadcast vanilla Link to the Past, hence the mixup.

[@SalameeQueijos]

I understand what he meant... I was just correcting the sentence

[@ZipplyZane]

But others may not have.

[@HoudiniFontmeister]

I can confirm this as I own it.

[@carterstutzman4597]

Yep, I speak Japanese. The literal translation for "Zeruda no Densetsu: Kamigami no Triforce" is "The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods" or "The Gods' Triforce"

[@FireEggplant]

Love Cinemassacre, keep it up boys, been a fan since the website launched, so much talent and I feel like I am best friends with you guys

[@Doperooni]

I know right? I like these guys more than my IRL friends lol

[@ChinComet]

"OK, how long is it gonna take for them to make a joke with B--"

[@peterw4910]

My favourite Zelda enemy is the geiger counselman.

[@PimpinFAR]

Peter W yea those are tough

[@LotoTheHero]

Yessssss!!!!!

[@mewgiah8057]

The reason themes song are not as common, is because most games/movies want the music to blend in to the background. In film, they actually use "temp music", where the director takes music from other sound tracks, and then puts them against scenes in the rough cut. Then he tells the composer to make something "similar to this". The same thing is happening in video games as well. So basically, most modern productions of games/film, they want the music to be like ambient/background and not be as up front. And they also use temp music in the editing process, since it's as easy as dragging and dropping - and pointing towards a composer, and telling them you want something like this.

[@jesselewis8247]

1 year later.....

[@sloppyjoebreadbowl5184]

BS Stands for "brooown sticks"

[@Moulinoski]

Triforce of the Gods is the Japanese title for A Link to the Past.

[@noodlesnchill]

What did Zelda say to Link when he couldn't open the door? Triforce.

[@tonysmith1997]

Laura Keeble booooooo try again

[@Euroviking86]

How did Link win the basketball game for his team? He used his hookshot.

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

Lol those ones were at the fucking nintendo power page

[@squallsrapture]

Well excuuUUuuUUuUUUuuuse me.

[@Doperooni]

squallsrapture They need to make a LoZ game based on the cartoon. I'd die.

[@KatKawa87]

It just dawned on me that James and Mike could recreate the old Zelda commercial. Yes. The one with the rap.

[@WegraX]

I fucking knew there was going to be a bullshit joke and it didnt disappoint

[@ItsGroundhogDay]

"When the Nerd series was going on." I remember that.

[@JacobNintendoNerd99]

James, Mike, This isn't the actual BS Zelda, just a romhack of it made to be closer to the original Zelda. Link doesn't appear at all in the actual bs zelda and the game has full voice acting; the game is impossible to play on English SNES hardware. It also had true orchestral music from the official Zelda soundtracks, but only ancient stone tablets was entirely orchestral There does, however, exist a fandub for ancient stone tablets that you can run on a dedicated emulator and there exists a bs Zelda fan site where you can find this and play it

[@edwarddore7617]

I know you can get a Zelda cartridge, with a bunch of hacks, on etsy, I got the Super Metroid one it's pretty good, I like Hyper Metroid almost as much as the original, which is also included on the cart, 8 games in total, I believe the Zelda one has 7 or 8

[@adamjack1]

Wow, this is an incredible insight! I had to do a KZbin search after watching this and I found that the narrator would introduce things that would effect the gameplay. It would have been good for James and Mike to hear the voice to know when things changed in the game. For instance, there's a bit where all the monsters get killed on the screen for some reason; that was part of the narration where he casts a lightning spell.

[@Chishannicon]

Your conversations while you play games together are the best. I love you two dorks.

[@kryskilgannon]

What's a Gerudo's favourite yogurt? Ganon.

[@TheLuna9526]

I get it.

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

TheLuna9526 I dont

[@inikeanuyah1649]

?

[@goreobsessed2308]

I had to look it up but then i got it lul

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

@@Blue-69-666 k

[@StevenUlyssesPerhero]

So what you guys had to do was buy the arrows in the shop, at which point it would have been replaced by the candle, and then you could have burned those bushes blocking your way. Or you could have waited for the event where the old man temporarily gives you the red candle, possibly. And yes, there are recordings of the original broadcasts up on KZbin. Someone even reuploaded them with English subtitles and annotations. Definitely worth a watch, in my opinion.

[@Chanamasalex117]

I always like the games and the footage yall cover, on James & Mike, but my favorite part of each episode, every week, is the banter n conversation. Thanks fer sharin, guys!

[@googiemike1537]

Dope! Never knew this came out. Glad we have you guys!!

[@KohlDayvhis]

When they say the original theme hasn't been used in ages wtf are they talking about lmfao, I've hears it in countless games over the years...

[@ArmorOfGod7]

This game has been on my to-play list for quite some time. I need to finally get around to that.

[@nostalgiajunkieakaetherethi677]

Playing in 2023 it's great !

[@Thebrotherhoodofgaming]

the theme song is also in breath of the wild when you take on the castle and my god is it beautiful

[@interghost]

Great to see and thanks for sharing. Looked good and very much like a "all stars" type deal for Zelda

[@EPeters208]

10:12 Mike doesn't realize he's full on bombs, burns one, and thus wastes 20 rupees.

[@brandonmiller4595]

There were actually two different BS quests. I think map 1 was the "3rd quest" and map 2 was what is known as the "4th quest". You can continue on to find all eight dungeons on both maps.

[@Mickbarrel]

I just tried The Firemen, because you guys happened to mention it in this stream. Talk about a great game. Definitely one of the best man vs. environment game, and just a great game all around. Great gameplay, art, exploration is rewarded, etc. I can't believe this game wasn't released in NA considering it had an English translation already. Whatever, thanks for helping me discover a great game.

[@Tacoguy777]

I remember playing this and the LttP one on an emulator. It was quite interesting finding out about these years ago.

[@timothydrake5183]

It was advanced game sharing

[@Ouroboros112]

Call me crazy but I'd love a Zelda 2 remake/revamp

[@ThunderDragonRandy]

Even though Zelda II is my least favorite Zelda (and I still haven't beaten it), I too would like to see a remake but with improved controls and easier difficulty (in addition to graphics).

[@xBINARYGODx]

Easier? GIT GUD, SCRUB! I can beat Zelda 2 sleeping naked with both hands shoved up my mother's vagina! / teenage-edgy

[@Skeife]

BINARYGOD ironically, Dark Souls actually takes a fair bit of influence from Zelda 2.

[@vanukaspelle8334]

alain gaudreault zelda 2 is my least favorite zelda game (without cdi games and fanmade games) but its ur opinion i dont hate you :)

[@Ouroboros112]

VanukasPelle it's not my favorite but it has good potentiel something great could come out of it.

[@alexsnow8894]

BS had a start and finish time. During this time a full music score, narratives and dialog were played.

[@yattibanks]

0:06 This is why i forever love James.

[@AZURAKAZ]

"Games that Yanks Can't Wank" by Larry Bundy is a great series on Euro exclusive games.

[@derekg6544]

Guinness?? No rolling rock?

[@roguecactus7]

Bilb Ono I had a friend who ate Guinness for breakfast.

[@KTF0]

Guinness from the bottle is gross

[@KTF0]

Bilb Ono You literally have to get a permit to serve Guinness correctly, otherwise, it'll be an overfoamy mess. It's a pretty meticulous pour for it to come out correctly. When it's done right it tastes great although it's on the filling side.

[@unicycleman666]

I don't like guinness that much but i'm going to assume you're mostly americans and haven't had a real guinness. No-one and i mean no-one outside of ireland can pour a guinness correctly. That's why they taste shit everywhere else.

[@unicycleman666]

You may like it, that doesnt mean it tastes the way its suppose to taste ;)

[@ohmyupoorchild]

I can’t speak for your other subscribers, but this is why I’m here. I love seeing both you of the best. James and Mike. I love your rapport, friendship and sense of humor. Board James, James and Mike Mondays or just movie reviews with both of you, it’s what keeps me subscribed, even more than the Nerd videos. I just love your friendship and I always enjoy seeing you together. Everyone else is okay, but you both together or separate, on screen, is what drives the channel for me.

[@bobbysteurer8631]

A Top Famicom Exclusives would be really cool! Always enjoy hearing your perspectives on stuff.

[@PhillipCummingsUSA]

Like like is a highway in Hawaii.

[@chroma7247]

Capn Cummings yup

[@Doperooni]

Like like's a highway. I wanna ride it all night long.

[@MarcMarioMaster]

The boy and girl are mascot characters that belonged to the SatellaView. They also appeared in other games and I think the boy's hat also got used as a reference here and there. Would love to see a playthrough by Mike sometime.

[@thunderforceninja5445]

let's face it, any video James and Mike do that has the Chrono trigger poster is even more awesome.

[@michaelsmythe7836]

I didnt own a famicon but one of my best friends lives in Japan. he said that you would get rewards and sometimes even a plus like you would walk onto into a room and they would kill all the enemies or whatever it was a good idea back then. It was games like this that helped them perfect online gaming.

[@eridener]

Heya! So, the reason they had to play at the same time was most likely because that is the time the satellite was in range. Back in the day, my friend had a satellite dish, and they had to constantly adjust to hit the right constellation and transponders. :)

[@jesselewis8247]

No shit, Sherlock

[@darkbbbbbbb]

I noticed that mike was a litle sad in this video, probably because he can' t mention zelda in a zelda game

[@milesc.anthony2811]

I just downloaded this about four hours ago which is close to the time I learned that there even was a Nintendo satellite service. I found some other games for the service like "Choujin..." something. Fun stuff and a strange but cool "online" thingy.

[@KBcollision]

The LOZ theme is in BOTW during the final part in the castle and it feels so epic!

[@Meteorlink]

zelda isn't even in this. truly bs

[@WrongNumber76]

BROWN brick

[@dev639]

Broadcasting data is different than broadcasting audio, game data is digital and radio audio is analog, so the voices were made like any other game had them made. If you heard the data of the broadcast through a speaker on a analog equipment, it would sound like static and beeps, even when sound data would play. Also sound was one of the biggest deals about the dawn of the CD media in home console gaming.

[@DJCube1701]

The random girl and guy (the girl they use for Map 2) is the Mascot for the Satellaview system.

[@YumeKojoCosplay]

They should play Sweet Home, it's a Famicom Horror RPG.

[@MajinVegetaSsj2Final]

You guys should try "War Of The Monsters" on PS2! Cheers from Greece! :D

[@ItsAnH]

Weird that I learned about BS Zelda through Zelda Classic of all things. Great to see someone else share their thoughts on it.

[@falcoperegrinus2292]

9:45 - it was in Majora's Mask in the overworld. Also used as the overworld theme in Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons. Full theme heard in both Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword during the staff roll. It's better to use that theme as call backs in various tracks throughout the game and the full theme in the ending. That's the best approach to me. New, originally composed overworld themes that reference it are a great approach too.

[@juan4allHD]

You know what's BS?! The title of this game!

[@2468sfhk1]

You guys should play Legend of Zelda randomized.

[@FreeScience]

Maybe someone mentioned it, but the Zelda overworld theme is used in Majora's Mask as the Termina Field theme.

[@A_Man_In_His_Van]

It's cool to go back and relive it.

[@gamerh0st]

b r o w n b r i c k s

[@z3roo0]

James should play Majora's Mask, I bet he'd love it.

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

or AVGN. that will be gold

[@bluepiggaming204]

so glad you played this!!!!

[@davehowie03]

It’s super similar to how MARIO 35 is just going to go away when the live play time is over.

[@DuranmanX]

5:52 I hope he's talking about Terranigma, I hope he's talking about Terranigma

[@radicaldreamer9391]

Adrian Duran Word

[@petercastillo2752]

The AVGN theme is becoming extinct

[@BazookaTooth707]

Peter Castillo I know, right? lol He's complaining about something he's guilty of doing, too lol

[@Wuss2ns]

I don't want to listen to that whole thing every time I watch a video.

[@petercastillo2752]

Matt Koester Skip ahead then 😂

[@megaflight56]

becuse this isnt avgn its mike and james monday

[@jesselewis8247]

@@user-nj5cl6xs4n Yeah, people are morons. And so am I haha

[@MickDeaks]

Very cool stuff, the MK poster behind you both is also extremely cool.

[@nensondubois]

Perfectly working with sd2snes. I actually dumped the SNES Burn-in Test Cart that holds the Zelda II remix that was supposedly the only remnant of the BS Zelda II that was shown in a few magazine screenshots.

[@WesHale]

So... Am I the only one who caught SKANG-TSUNG?

[@ThunderDragonRandy]

I saw that too

[@insectduel]

I want to see the AVGN episode of Hummer Team's MK series.

[@tailsthebest123]

I know Hyrule Warriors did a pretty good Remix of the Old Zelda Theme and perfectly in the Adventure Mode Map may not be canon but was still used

[@xBINARYGODx]

No.

[@Youtubeaccount369]

ive always wanted to see this i've heard about BS zelda a bunch but never seen it until today

[@SinByGames]

The way James said Satellaview is hilarious.

[@TheCludo]

Correct me if im wrong but i thought triforce of the gods is the japanese title for a link to the past

[@StevenUlyssesPerhero]

It is. For whatever reason, St. Giga just broadcasted vanilla Link to the Past at one point. I'm not sure why or if it included CD-quality music tracks during the broadcast or whatever, but it happened.

[@ZipplyZane]

It is. He got it mixed up with Ancient Stone Tablets, which was a whole new adventure using the LttP engine.

[@TheCludo]

ZipplyZane Ha knew it

[@codyrobinson1318]

Nintendo should remake zelda 1 in the lttp engine

[@MFDOOMSDAa]

Its good to have James Mike Mondays back..and only them

[@b1oh1]

Just an FYI, you don't have to stop to go through those 4 way blocks with spikes. I used to do the same thing but I replayed the entire series a few years ago and realized you can just keep walking toward/through the doors in dungeons and they won't hit you.

[@HAPPYPANDA53]

breakfast sandwich Zelda 👍

[@Fries101Reviews]

when is the AVGN Review of Zelda Link's Awakening Coming out

[@thefallenone1718]

That's the Zelda where link comes out of the closet.

[@cabbusses]

If anyone wants to get more of an idea how the game originally played, check makuchan's KZbin. makuchan has a playlist of BS Zelda, recorded from the actual Satellaview broadcast, with the original audio and all. The MSU1 BS Zelda hack is based off restoring the audio content from this recording.

[@FancyRPGCanada]

The theme was in Majora's Mask when you were in the field. I'm pretty sure I remember hearing it somewhere in Twilight Princess.

[@ultraviolator85]

Please Play Terranigma on snes.

[@Hayastantzi92]

nice

[@ItsJustMilkISwear]

This was a cool idea. It's like the video game version of cable TV. Each game is like an hour long tv show.

[@Somefurfag]

"And there was another one called 'Triforce of the Gods'" James.... What do you think A Link to the Past was called in Japan?

[@StevenUlyssesPerhero]

He probably made the natural assumption that it was still called a Link to the Past.

[@deltaprime3509]

Recommendation alien isolation

[@AndrewAmbrose]

New ghostbusters 2 was famicom. It was made by Hal labs and is one of many examples of famicom games only released in Europe. Another great example is Devil World from Nintendo.

[@cabbycabby1770]

Love the vid! Had no idea this existed. Japan's insular culture really reaches across all media. They would really make bank releasing all these hidden and less accessible games on VC.

[@mmc1474]

The Legend Zelda Majora's Mask is the best game ever!!!

[@2682shark]

Ocarina of Time is a better overall game..

[@edwarddore7617]

Best is relative, but my favorite is LTTP

[@dominicaranda5196]

So funny

[@JeedyJay]

Episodic games and DLC are a lot older than many people think.

[@advang4820]

James raises a concern about why theme song is not a thing anymore, which is funny because it happened to his AVGN series before.

[@leafyfeathers]

Who else clicked on this video seeing them play a extremely hard Zelda hack

[@britishcig5462]

Nobody

[@jesselewis8247]

I know I may say some stupid shit on the internet, but...why do people say REALLY stupid shit on the internet?

[@Matt-gh2zm]

You aren't playing this on the original broadcast?? You filthy emulator users

[@Msf1011]

Matt He got a homebrew cartridge.

[@pingASS_]

>emaulator >playing in a snes

[@SeboHyatt]

I get the joke.

[@blazefirer]

its a homebrew cart that they are running on the snes

[@SYratherripped]

homebrew carts are just roms downloaded from the internet flashed onto them. carts of BS Zelda prove this because it never was released on cartridge and is only available on the internet as a ROM these days.

[@renswisse]

Speaking of good games you guys across the pond didn't get; try Ufouria: the Saga for NES. It's basically a cross between Super Mario Bros. 2 and Metroid. It only came out in Japan and over here, but not in North America, although I believe it is on the Wii Virtual Console (maybe even Wii U). It's really solid and the kind of game that would fit this show.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Ancient Stone Tablets is story wise a sequel to ALttP, they have also made a Homebrew cart of it it seems.

[@dominicaranda5196]

Hah

[@Imaculata]

Gets map. Map shows there is no room to the north. Places bomb to the north. GG

[@Imaculata]

Yes I have.

[@BaconSenpai]

There's multiple rooms in the original that aren't on the map. Usually it's just an NPC that talks to you though.

[@BaconSenpai]

What does sparse have to do with anything? They exist, period, which is a valid reason to bomb everywhere.

[@Imaculata]

That is a complete waste of bombs. There's a logic to where the hidden rooms are, and they are few.

[@Dwedit]

Okay, this is one of the older hacks of the game, possibly thrown onto a reproduction cartridge. A lot has happened since that hack came out. For instance, there are newer hacks with full subtitles of what the original broadcast was saying during gameplay, including the timed events.

[@timf7413]

Apparently there are videos online that feature the original audio from players who recorded the gameplay at the time of the original broadcast.

[@ACBlackJ0ck]

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