Building a Hackintosh in 2023 - Is it still worth It? The answer may surprise you.

[@imacmadman22]

If your Hackintosh is no longer usable with MacOS, you can run Linux or Windows on it, so you're really not going to lose anything in the long run. I'm running Linux Mint on Lenovo ThinkStation S20, it runs like butter and it's 14 years old. You wouldn't be disappointed with a Hackintosh with the specs listed here.

[@Woodland26]

yes, running Linux would make it run faster, and is free. I retired my hack due to OS upgrade render my wifi card useless. Bought Mini M2 pro to avoid headache, but the old computer will be handy somewhere else.

[@BilisNegra]

Liked this because it was made in good judgement and you did point that a base M2 Mac Mini can be a fine option, instead of going fanatic for one option and despising the other. But yes, its a good thing to find that Hackintoshing certainly isn't dead yet and still makes plenty of sense.

[@jeevespreston]

I can't thank you enough for your expertise and tutelage. I've recently discovered your channel, and have learned more by watching 3 or 4 of your videos, than I have in 3 years of tinkering on my own. Much respect and gratitude!!

[@paulmurphy3735]

Was about to purchase a new imac until my son sent me your macintosh pc build and this video. I love macs but not the price. Your video has given me the confidence to build my own macintosh. Thank you.

[@SeeJayPlayGames]

that's funny, because this wasn't even a tutorial on how to do it... but there are videos on how to do it. It's a little involved, but totally doable. But hang on to your current Mac because you might need it for the process.

[@andy70d35]

@@SeeJayPlayGames You need to learn to read, Paul posted, "my son sent me your macintosh pc build and this video."

[@SeeJayPlayGames]

@@andy70d35 I know how to read. I said what I said. And I wasn't talking to you.

[@matiasarce]

Got an Intel Core i713700K with Gigabyte Z690 Aero D, 64GB RAM, AMD RX 6800XT running macOS Ventura and Windows 11. Runs amazing.

[@pugamer7803]

Bro has been on yt since 2007.Real respect for the OGs

[@More_Row]

@@pugamer7803 So have a lot of other millennials?

[@kvasovstan]

Just wanted to say thank you for your guide. I had Macbook Pro but sold it and bought for same money laptop on i5 9th gen and GTX 1650. Then I stumbled on your hackintosh guide. Now I can play heavy games on Windows 11 and use Final Cut Pro on Mac OS

[@danielesparza2480]

Do you dual boot?

[@kvasovstan]

@@danielesparza2480 i'm using hackintosh on external ssd

[@thedoctorunofficial]

GTX 1650 is not suppored in macos?

[@icspawn]

I bought used mac mini m1 for desktop and for the laptop i've chosen asus i3 for tripple OS - Hackintosh, Ubuntu and Windows. Almost a year i use Hackintosh Monterey and everything is perfectly fine even the i3 is not good as i5. The cpu is 10th gen. Overall i really enjoying with two of my devices. Macbooks are too expensive and don't want to buy expensive machine anymore.

[@IncApu2025]

I find this comment very useful 🙂 Thanks a lot.

[@brpadington]

Glad you were able to find a good balance for your use case and what you wanted to spend.

[@mughug9616]

The base M2 Mac Mini comes with only 8GB unified RAM (shared by both the system, data and video) and the 256GB SSD is a a slow 1,500 MB/s. If one was purchasing one for video analysis and image processing then immediately the base model would really need to be upgraded (only at time of purchase) in RAM and SSD capacity, which involves + $200 for each, therefore $1000. If I was buying again, my minimum would be a M2 Mac Mini with 16GB RAM for $800 plus a Thunderbird external NVMe enclosure and at lease a 1GB NVMe. So we are talking in the region of approx. $1000 for the minimally useful version. Any heavier use and we are looking at a M2 Mac Mini with 1GB SSD for around $1500. As far as talking about expanding storage using an external device, we find that even the M1/M2s USB-C 3.1 Gen 2 ports limit a USB External NVMe to a real-world of approx. 500Mb/s. Therefore the additional cost of a Thunderbolt 3 external NVMe enclosure costing around $100 would be needed on top of the cost of the NVMe to obtain similar speeds to the internal 256Gb SSD. Owning both multiple AMD/Intel PCs and Intel/'Apple Silicon Macs, I can understand why a Hackingtosh makes perfect sense when all the pros and cons are weighed up. And to be honest using the older MacOS versions Catalina on a Intel MAc is basically as good as using the latest Ventura on Apple Silicon. Give me a fully functional Hackingtosh with powerful graphics and I am quite happy.

[@alexanderunknown8605]

On powerful Intel CPUs you could easily run Ventura, not only CPU makes sense on modern macos but RAM more than "base" 8 GB. 8 GB is barely OK on Catalina, everything later on 8 GB is cr*p. But, Apple has policy with sw vendors, that latest versions work with 3 last macos versions. So, this makes non sense of using hackintosh professionally these time. But, if your work could involve earlier sw versions for mac, then you are good to go of course.

[@B.Ch3rry]

My Current Hackintosh Build: i9-10900K RX 6900 XT 128GB 3600 MHz G.Skill Gigabyte Z490 Vision D Aorus Liquid Cooler 360 3 x 2TB WD Black SN770 EVGA superNOVA 1000W Phanteks Enthoo Primo Samsung M7 4K 60Hz

[@pugamer7803]

DAMN

[@minavamp2811]

the cpu and gpu in this hackintosh is on par with the mac mini m2 pro (12-core cpu, 19-core gpu) version, as far as performance wise. if you were to configure the mac mini m2 pro with 32gb ram and 2tb ssd you will have to pay 3000 euro, comparing for the same configuration for the hackintosh, you will pay 900 euro. that is ridiculous if not criminal for apple to be charging for that kind of price and that kind of upgrade. with the hackintosh if your ssd dies you can always replace another sdd, but with the mac mini if your ssd dies, you will have to buy another new mac mini because the ram and the ssd are soldered into the motherboard.

[@BartechTV]

Exactly right.

[@DoObs]

One also needs to realize...in the commercial professional world. You cannot be on a location shoot with a Hackintosh and then something decides to break, be it the most simplest thing, then you are very much stuck. Having the set for life one option MacBook, essentially when its paying itself off with the amount of work you are putting through its reliability makes more sense for the professional. For the enthusiast its by all means yes a easier option to enjoy the eco-sysytem.

[@jedstephensmusic0001]

I think the big question would be is it worth building a hackintosh to compete with the mac pro, as that is still Intel, so it would have the same lifespan, I'm pretty sure you could build a very high spec Hackintosh for a lot less than even the base mac pro, wouldn't have a nice case though

[@AP0LL0420]

Fascinating stuff. Glad I landed on your channel. Thanks for your time putting this together

[@phplaw]

from a mac user I did hackintosh for myself and I have to say It is awesome, my spec is: CPU Core i9 13900K, mono ASUS ProArt Z790 CREATOR WIFI SSD WD Black SN850X PCIe Gen4 x4 NVMe M.2 1TB, RAM Corsair DDR5 Dominator 31GB 6200Mhz , GPU ASUS TUF GAMING RX6900XT OC , All works (Airdrop, Handrop, iMess, Wifi, blutooth and LAN ) p/s: I am using It when watching this video :P

[@minavamp2811]

aint no cpu, gpu, and ssd that are coming from the m2 that will beat the score of your spec, not even the m2 pro, maybe perhaps m2 ultra? what kind of geekbench score do you get for your hackintosh?

[@mr.niceguy724]

what wifi card do you use, for aridrop etc.?

[@phplaw]

@@minavamp2811 i got 2597 @ Single Core and 19665 @ multi core

[@phplaw]

@@mr.niceguy724 BCM94360NG ^^

[@studiodevis]

Nice config Sonny! Is Intel Quick Sync from 13900K (GPU encoding decoding from CPU) recognized by macOS? Thank You!

[@phlydude]

I built a Hackintosh in late 2016 / early 2017. It was great until it wasn't. The constant patching using 3rd party tools and worrying about updates bricking OSX was tough - the community was great but no one had the same exact config as I did and eventually, booting into OSX broke and I had to repurpose the machine as a Windows machine. I'm still using it (actually using it now to write this) as a Windows 10 machine. I have a MacBook Air M2 and a M1 Mac Mini now too and that Mac Mini is perfectly adequate for most desktop uses not involving editing or encoding files.

[@hackintoshexpert]

Sounds like Clover in those years

[@phlydude]

@@hackintoshexpert it was

[@Moonhack95]

I'm still using a hackintosh laptop from 2014, not as a main machine anymore but for Ableton Live. But I've been using OSx86 since the Leopard days when installing from a Vanilla dvd wasn't even possible yet, so I'm used to taking days to install updates and such. To me, the install and update process nowadays is so easy it's unbelievable. It definitely depends on your expectations. Compare it more to Arch Linux than Windows and you won't find it so hard.

[@sakork95z]

You know that you can clone disk to another or make system full image before update? There are two types of people : 1. People who do backup 2. People who will start doing backup You're definitely in second group ;D.

[@movdqa]

I sold a 2014 iMac 27, i7, 32 GB RAM, 4 GB Video and 500 GB SSD. And it took me a month to sell it. Just getting a similar monitor alone would set you back $1k. You also get a nice, clean desk with it. I have set up macOS on KVM/QEMU before I got Apple Silicon MacBook Pro and Studio Max. I still need to run Intel from time to time and have four old Intel Macs if I need to do that. In the US, old Macs are often dirt cheap. The case for Hackintosh that I most often agree with is if you want to game.

[@IrnBruNYC]

I completely agree with your reasoning here, and I am in the process of building one final Hackintosh (with a 10th gen Core i7) that I know will run Ventura and hope will run Sonoma and MacOS 15. It’s hard to imagine that Apple won’t support Intel Macs until at least 2026, though I wouldn’t have guessed they would abandon the 2017 MacBook Pro or iMac so soon, and yet here we are.

[@BartechTV]

Sonoma should still work on Intel hackintoshes since it supports the 2019 iMac without a T2 chip. I expect the 2019 iMac will still be supported by macOS 15 too. They'll probably drop support for Intel with macOS 16, in late 2025, although there'll still be security updates until 2027 or 2028.

[@cyberlizardcouk]

i tried to create a Hackintosh a few years ago and failed miserably. Now, it's a different story. I have 2 old Haswell Hewlett Packards which both run Catalina, one in my garage-workshop controlling a laser cutter and CNC machine and the other as a home server. I also have a Dell laptop running Monterey and also my main PC which is a 10th gen i5 using a Z490-p motherboard running Monterey as well. why did I ditch Windows? I wanted my taskbar / dock down the left of the screen. Took a little while to get used to the minimise, maximise and close buttons being on the other side, but apart from that all the software I need works. Office, Affinity Suite and some CAD/CAM software. Couldn't be happier.

[@slawomirkulinski]

8:04 patching unsupported mac to use newer version of macOS is much easier, almost painless in comparison to maintaining hack

[@nosignalputantenna]

I used Hackintosh before but faced too many crash problem with Adobe CC and Microsoft Office. At last, last year I bought a M1 Mac Mini and crashes gone.

[@dylanmaniatakes]

just wait till we can build arm based PC's

[@niklas7816]

Yeah, no. ARM based Macs use special software and hardware instrunctions, and unless someone takes the time and effort to emulate or bypass it in some way you're never going to see an ARM based PC run MacOS. Just the sad way it is.

[@dylanmaniatakes]

@@niklas7816 you have very little faith in the hacker community my friend

[@ReadxOnly]

@@niklas7816 where there's a will, there's a way.

[@h9hkk6155]

I think it will be possible, maybe PC arm CPUs wouldn't be as powerful though

[@slash2bot]

Not possible anymore. ARM have SoC and a botched UEFI implementation. That means that despite having the same exact hardware, two different ARM based devices cannot boot same OS. ARM is a manufacturers dream of a locked hardware.

[@MarcosCodas]

I’m thinking of switching to hackintosh because of Win11 being basically spyware and the lack of the type of pro software I need being absent from Linux

[@davshan8482]

True, I am Hackintosh newbie, I bought a second hand RX6800 for just $350, sold my 4.5 years old 2080FE for $300, so I just spent $50, and gpu performance increased 35%,(yay! goodbye Nvidia.) My pc is 12700kf+32g+1t sata ssd+2t nvme+18t hdd, performance is comparable to M1ultra for one-third the price.

[@ahmadubaidillah6734]

Is Intel gen 12 still supported to be hackintosh?

[@alexanderunknown8605]

@@ahmadubaidillah6734 seems yes by opencore

[@tylerscott9329]

Built myself a hackintosh using a used HP ProDesk 600 with an i5 8500 that I picked up for $200. It works great!!!

[@rbuck9]

unless your using mac for video or photo editing as a job,paying the highway robbery prices for upgraded ram or storage is crazy. costs apple 1 to 2 bux to go from 8 to 16 gb and charge you 200

[@PCJesus0]

The issue with hackintosh is 1 update could destroy some integral part of the OS

[@BojanBojovic]

Thanks, great video. I had a Hackintosh for more than 10 years then got tired of small quirks and bought a 5K iMac. Having a Mac is full experience as it sleeps, wakes, and works much better than an average Hackintosh which is louder, uses more power, and often does not sleep. Also there is an integration with the horribly designed but in the same time great Magic Mouse and Keyboard, swipes, gestures, everything that makes Mac so good for everyday use. Then, brightness control on the keyboard, and auto brightness, those things simply do not exist anywhere else. And this time to figure everything out also cost, googling and tweaking everything is as pain for someone who does not do such things every day and need to learn new stuff while doing it. But I still miss my Hackintosh, although I gave it to my son and it is still here in the family, as you said upgradability and having Windows on it as well is a great thing as you have only one computer.

[@BartechTV]

I did the opposite to you. I had owned real Macs for 14 years before building my first hackintosh in 2015. My first Mac was the iBook G3 in 2001. You can use Apple peripherals with a hackintosh. I used an Apple magic keyboard, magic trackpad and magic mouse with my hackintosh for nearly 2 years, and they work just like on a real Mac. I since switched to a mechanical keyboard and a Razer mouse because I find them more pleasant to use, but I do sometimes miss the gestures and swipes that you mentioned.

[@tnetroP]

Great video. While probably not the main reason, stopping Hackintoshes was probably part of the decision to move to ARM. But there is a possibly better route to getting a Mac than a Hackintosh; consider whether a trashcan Mac Pro would work and is affordable. They are upgradable to a certain degree.

[@Tom-kl9jf]

price to performance is not the only metric. I have a Hackintosh so I can dual boot with Windows (for gaming), and not need 2 machines

[@BartechTV]

Yes, that's a massive plus for those of us who enjoy gaming.

[@mategombas771]

@@BartechTV working lol

[@zeroturn7091]

I’ve tried dual booting, but anytime OCLP runs a root patch my Windows EFI is destroyed.

[@Tom-kl9jf]

that has not been my experience, but I rarely update Open Core. that's not to say I don't have any weird behavior - I get lockups a few times a week in MacOS that require the reset button. I used to worry about data loss, but so far no issues, and all my personal stuff is on a NAS, so that doesn't get rudely turned off@@zeroturn7091

[@andriusmosta]

Running my hackintosh since 2017. I think we still got a good 2 years until apple stops supporting Intel CPUs.

[@BartechTV]

I think 3-4 years, and then another 2-3 years of security updates. They're still selling Intel Mac Pros, which can cost $50,000 fully specced. Anyone would be a bit peeved if they dropped $50k on a new computer only for the manufacturer to drop support after 2 years. There are new EU laws incoming that will mean manufacturers of electronics devices will have to offer a minimum of 3 years of OS updates and 5 years of security updates. Assuming Apple discontinue the Intel Mac Pro this year, that would mean OS updates for Intel Macs 2026-2027 and security updates until 2028-2029.

[@Dave102693]

1 year left for main support and 2 years for extended support. A new Mac Pro is coming out next year.

[@Dave102693]

@@BartechTV I don’t believe it for a second

[@Damageinc.]

Hackintosh has trouble when upgrades from Apple happen right?

[@catchnkill]

Yes. Sure. Apple is cutting hardware support for older Mac for each version upgrade of macOS. Thus Hackintosh for most PC will stop soon. You can still use it but only with older macOS version. Latest version will not have driver code for older machines.

[@antonefremov1609]

I've been using hackintosh for 3 years. Everything works fine I7, RX-580, mac OS Big Sur

[@s96822]

have built many hackintoshes and still have 2 going strong. one is an old core 2 duo and the other an x99mb 12 core xeon. the other very good use for 2023 hackintosh is a render farm.

[@redzebra6688]

subbed!!! I like this channel

[@ninline2000]

Best thing about hackintosh is that they can be repaired and upgraded, unlike new disposable Macs.

[@chevelle1984]

PC Idling at the M2’s Max power for TCO over 7 years….net savings are really good for power consumption for a few seconds of arguments here and there in performance.

[@alazkaauliaarrahman4869]

Are u have full tutorial ?

[@loriansaceanu]

The video cards second hand from minning are very cheap now. So a system with Intel processor, 16 GB of ram and a ssd will be affordable.

[@RenatoApazaMeza]

what hackintosh could you recommend for 500$

[@ETVELTALLERDELOSVIDEOS]

so nice, any video to build your own hackintosh in 2023?

[@bstaznkid4lyfe392]

That rear fan is so wrong..

[@reinaldo1504]

Which one do you prefer, i5 8400 compared to i3 10100 for hackintosh ? In my country the i5 8400 price around $62 while the i3 10100 around $94, do you have recommendation for budget build, right now i have rx 570, so we can omit gpu need. Thank you.

[@QuicknStraight]

Apple upgrade prices are absolutely outrageous.

[@OrinSorinson]

The local market in my region is nowhere as good and cheap as what I saw in your listings. A hackintosh is leagues cheaper and also available.

[@ahmedosman9952]

I have a desktop PC with Windows 11 core i7 Please explain How tonstall macOS Seqouia on 12th, generation systems | OpenCore Please, if possible, thank you

[@pugamer7803]

Yo,can you please do a xeon hackintosh?I would like to see how more cores compares to cs in macos.Xeons are rly cheap and powerful.Thanks for reading :D

[@tek_soup]

whats the best gpu, i can throw at it? i have a nvidia 4080 laptop, but i don't know if that will work?

[@floridahummer]

i have downloaded a arm version of windows 10 to run on my mac, so I'm assuming you could run this an a hankingtosh, keep up the good work.

[@nabilellaji6509]

I have that same mouse and keyboard combo. Nice surprise lol!!

[@kgpcodes]

My MBP still works. I switched from using Macs to Hackintosh in 2014. Back to real MBPs in 2018... And now I am building 3 Hackintoshes: 1. Ryzen PC Hackintosh - very powerful CPU and Graphics card. 5800X. 2. Legion 5 Pro hackintosh - 64GB RAM 3. Possibly an Intel HP hackintosh - 32GB RAM - Still buying this one

[@Seresoul45acp]

I have a dell optiplex 3020 mt with macos big sur and it runs great!!

[@brpadington]

I just built a new hack this last summer. 11th Gen i9 and a 6900xt. Much more flexibility than my m1 MacBook

[@DeclanRyanRising]

Very nice, love the offset, love the low voltage current running through the wire rigging.

[@novantha1]

For me the obvious missing piece of the Apple ecosystem is a command line and a real file browser on the iPad, personally; I do a decent amount of custom code for AI related stuff, and being able to build and deploy it on a single device (with a neural engine!) that was portable in that way would be a game changer. Given the lack of that, though, Apple's products...Don't quite make sense to me, until you get to the ultra high end; sure, a 128GB RAM Mac Studio *looks* expensive, but you can also use it to run AI models that require either a dual A100 Nvlink setup (I think maybe $20,000 not counting the rest of the PC), or use a more modest GPU (W7900 once it hits shelves, plus a ton of work gutting programs to run on ROCm, but at the same price as the entire mac studio), and lose a significant quantity of performance to attention slicing. I think something's wrong if your general purpose computer only offers good price to performance in comparison to dedicated data center silicon, but that may just be me. I will also note that while such a Mac Studio will *run* these models, it will not necessarily run them faster than the equivalent dGPU setup. But in the lower end, a lot of easier to use Linux distributions are more private, and more or less work out of the box with a lot of setups, particularly for simpler tasks like web browsing and word processing. If you want a clean setup, ARM SBCs run great on Linux, use no power, and can go anywhere, in addition to costing less than the average person I know spends on coffee in a month. I don't know, we live in a weird world.

[@novantha1]

@@n0b0dyatall1 I was specifically noting that the iPad would be a more or less universal computing device with access to a command line, with unique advantages and use cases, whereas I was implying the existing use of the command line on MacOS felt redundant because many Linux distros offer similar functionality (on an OS level) albeit with some DIY, meaning that I felt a command line and freedom to write and execute programs on the iPad would really tie together the Apple ecosystem for myself, at least.

[@h9hkk6155]

Good to see so many power users in the comments!

[@parnordqvist3895]

Thanks for previous answer! What a about security in Hackintosh? Will it be as safe as a PC? There is no T2-chip. Is it possible that MacOS will require T2 in the future? Strange that it doesn’t do it now.

[@BartechTV]

The 2019 iMac is the reason that hackintosh is still possible. It has no T2 chip. So, as long as macOS runs on the 2019 iMac, it can't require a T2 chip. Apple usually supports hardware with OS updates for 5 years. I think that macOS 15 (the next release after Sonoma) will likely be the last version of macOS to run on Intel, on non-T2 Macs, and therefore on hackintosh. There'll probably be another couple of years of security updates after that.

[@parnordqvist3895]

If you have a Hackintosh, is it possible to start it in recovery mode? What is needed for that? Original keyboard?

[@BartechTV]

You just select recovery in the OpenCore boot picker.

[@ruicastro-gx5qv]

Hardware ?

[@CasualExplains]

thanks, this is the best basic guide!

[@boskobuha8523]

What about size?

[@TwstedTV]

Quick question: Can a hackintosh (MACOS Ventura) be built on new hardware of 2023 ? like AMD Ryzen 9-7950X with a AM5 motherboard, 128GB DDR5 and a RTX-4070-ti ?? Or does it have to be a specific hardware only ?? Just curious 👀🤔😋👍

[@BartechTV]

It has to be hardware that is supported by macOS - usually that means hardware that's been used in a real Mac, or is similar enough to hardware that appeared in a real Mac to still work. You can build a hackintosh running Ventura using a 7950X, and many have - browser.geekbench.com/search?q=7950x+macos. But the 4070Ti wouldn't work since there's no driver support in macOS. Nvidia used to provide their own drivers for people using Nvidia cards in MacOS, but Apple pulled their developer licence, preventing them from continuing. As of now, the fastest GPU that you can put into a hackintosh is an RX 6950XT. Officially, only the 6900XT is supported, but the 6950XT is similar enough that it can be made to work with a simple device id spoof.

[@TwstedTV]

@@BartechTV Thank you so much for responding. This clarifies MANY things. 😋👍 I forgot about the NVidia debacle with apple. 👀🤔 I wish that Geekbench list gave the exact models of the motherboard used. Some have weird names to them and others just have the Asustek Inc. company name. But no model. 🤷‍♀

[@CSAbhiOnline]

IDK where you getting the idea for 700pound hackintosh but you definitely don't need a 600W PSU and a 60 pound case for just a RX 570

[@peanutnutter1]

The 13500 has a way better iGPU which greatly improves productivity like video editing.

[@user-yz6cl2wf3n]

It's simple = 1000$ performance in hack = 2500-3000$ performance in real mac. For home or remote work - the best way get macos + performance that u need + windows. i5-13400F works perfect with macos. But I still have M1 air and I love it so much :)

[@woofaki5550]

A question my friend,can i use hackintosh on a mini Pc with Ryzen 5600G apu?

[@BartechTV]

No, only Ryzen 3000 series APU work, using whateverred kext.

[@john_thorpe]

Can you build a Hackintosh on a mini/micro pc ... for example on a Dell Optiplex 3050 micro/mini PC ... and can you get your iPhones iMessages, etc. on it?

[@BartechTV]

Yes you can. Just make sure you’re using a valid serial number and have the iPhone and hackintosh signed into the same iCloud account.

[@john_thorpe]

@@BartechTV Valid serial number for ____??

[@john_thorpe]

@@BartechTV Also, can you build it on a mini/micro pc like the Dell Optiplex 3050 micro/mini pc??

[@BartechTV]

You need to generate a valid serial number that corresponds to the Mac model you choose in your SMBIOS. Choose the Mac model in OpenCore Auxiliary Tools, click "generate" to generate a serial, then check it on Apple's website to make sure that it's not in use. Yes, you can use an Optiplex 3050. If you're running Ventura on a Skylake you'll have to spoof the iGPU device ID to Kaby Lake for it to work.

[@raghav_1_8_]

Hey I have i3 10105 and Intel arc a750 8gb gpu can I install Mac os on this configuration pls reply .

[@bits2646]

I think Apple has made a mistake if not getting upgraded Intel and rdna3 support in new mac pro, the performance advancement in latest gpu and cpus has been much higher than on apple silicon, especially upcoming xeon w 24xx and 34xx series with up to 56 cores, would be a logical mac pro 7.1 refresh upgrade

[@TazzSmk]

perhaps they will refresh Intel Mac Pro next week, when Intel announced new workstation platform, Apple Silicon can't even compete against 8-channel of up to 4TB ram and 112 PCIe 5.0 lanes

[@h9hkk6155]

Totally, I think apple will be biting the dust when it comes to raw CPU and GPU performance. At the moment apple doesn't have anything similar to threadripper and epic processors, and nothing similar to 4090

[@neeallsevak]

Hey Man... I wanted to use that for coding, As in Xcode/swift, I am confused a bit will this 300$ mac mini is worth it for that? I mean willl it render in screens and code? and please tell me is there any problem or compromise will have to do with 300$ hackintosh?

[@maksimfedoryak]

Yeah, compiling code on this small one will be relatively fast, but emulation of iphone will be very very slow

[@erperejildo]

I have plans to make a hackintosh from a mini pc. This for obvious reasons won't have a Nvidia GPU and I'll buy a Intel CPU. Would the motherboard affect in here? Will something like GEEKOM Mini IT11 be enough for this with 32GB and a i7-11390H?

[@BartechTV]

Unfortunately the 11th Gen Tiger Lake iGPU isn't supported in macOS so it wouldn't work. The most recent mobile Intel CPU to be used in a real Mac was the I5-1038NG7 in the 2020 13 inch. Recent developments with nootedred kext have made Ryzen APU's more compatible, adding support for Vega graphics. So, a mini PC based on a Ryzen CPU and integrated Vega graphics can run Sonoma, for example the Minis Forum Venus UM480/UM560 XT. For more information on AMD hackintoshes take a look at amd-osx.com/

[@erperejildo]

@@BartechTV wow, that's totally the oposite information I got saying "whatever you get, try to get an Intel". I thought that having any type of Intel, it should work at the end. I have others mini pcs in mind with Ryzen. The thing is that I don't find much information about mini pc + hackintosh. Since you cannot change much from these, the available options I don't know if they are going to work. If you could buy any mini pc just for this, would you take that Minis Forum Venus? Or you'd buy something else?

[@BartechTV]

The problem is that the iGPU on Intel processors more recent than 10th gen aren't supported in macOS, since that's when Apple stopped making Intel Macs. On full size desktops it doesn't really matter since you can just install a dedicated graphics card, but on Mini PC's or laptops, you can't. So on Intel you're limited to 10th gen or earlier. If you want a Mini PC running MacOS Sonoma you can either use a 8th gen to 10th gen Intel, or an AMD with Vega graphics using NootedRed. If I was looking to buy a Mini PC then I would choose the Minis Forum Venus UM560 XT with the Ryzen 5 5600X / RX Vega 7 graphics just because of the price - 229 Euros for a barebones system. The best performance Hackintosh Mini PC right now would probably be the MinisForum Neptune HX99G with Ryzen 6900HX and dedicated Radeon 6600M graphics. It's about 10% faster than an M2 Mac Mini in Geekbench 6 MultiCore CPU but more than twice as fast in the Geekbench 6 Metal test, even beating an M1 Max. I haven't used the MinisForum PC's myself, I've only seen benchmarks from others who are running macOS on them.

[@erperejildo]

@@BartechTV so in that case the best CPU you can use for a hackintosh today (til something else is released) is the previous generation to the M1. I can understand that, but how come it would work (and even better as you said) on a Ryzen? Also, I don't need to have a powerful macOS system, I just want it to publish apps to the Apple Store. I won't even use it for coding because this will be done in Windows. Probably I'll use an old pc to install the hackintosh and I'll buy a better mini pc

[@randomriddle539]

i am using a hackintosh too with rx 580

[@MrCliverlong]

A very clear and balanced video. Thanks.

[@Vuyccbvuj]

How do you get Mac OS onto a pc?

[@BlizardMedia]

Is it metal native though fren

[@myburn]

Very good analysis. I'd love to see another vid like this comparing the M2 ultra offerings. Or maybe you are waiting for intel 14th gen and apple's M3 chip to come out?

[@heappy]

do you have efi for this configuration?

[@jonathanirias2982]

It has to be specifically those components. For example, it could be another motherboard or another video card like an RX 6600.

[@overdriver99]

yeah Hackintosh is still great but as you said Big A may drop support for intel CPU within few years. that's only problem..

[@breakdown7553]

Hey, do you or has anyone a good tutorial featuring the i5 13400? I pretty much have the same specs as given in your example for a hackintosh, including a RX 570 and I'd like to try it. Thanks in advance for potential help. I don't need all answers here, but just a basic tutorial to start. Again, featuring the 13400.

[@eyes2338]

If you can keep up with firmware updates on older macs and if you can hack the firmware then go for it.

[@questaonda]

Awesome! You made my day!

[@JoTokutora]

I will correct you. You don’t have data fully correct. Laptops with the RX 6600m, 6700s, 6800s which are Navi 23 are compatible, like the Legion 5, Asus G14, hP Zbook fury workstation

[@noefernandoroquecastrejon6122]

Thank you for your videos of processors and gpus supported by Hackintoh, they have been very helpful, however, you can support us by making a video of the supported motherboard chipsets. I would really appreciate it very much.

[@SumiX3D]

Will hackintosh work on Intel core i5 12400 (128MB integrated graphics) , Asus Prime H610 ME-D4 Motherboard, 16GB DDR4 3200MHZ RAM ? or we still need a 10th gen cpu ? What are the requirements for motherboard ? Does it have to be only intel 10th generation cpu with B460 series motherboard ? please clarify

[@BartechTV]

For CPU’s newer than 10th gen, you’d need a dedicated graphics card. MacOS Ventura doesn’t support the integrated graphics on Intel’s newer CPU’s. I’m using an Asus RX 5700 8GB in my 13th gen build.

[@SumiX3D]

Sounds great .What about the motherboard requirements . Does chipset matters ?

[@BartechTV]

Any 600 or 700 series motherboard should work. Most people are using Z690 and Z790 boards but I'm using a Gigabyte B760M-DS3H which works perfectly. A recent firmware update brought 14th gen compatibility too, so I can upgrade in a couple of months when the new CPU's appear.

[@ibnunugraha9043]

Can we use Ryzen CPU for this?

[@BartechTV]

You can but with some caveats as I mentioned in my video about which CPU to choose for a Ventura hackintosh - mainly compatibility issues with Adobe apps, with VM's and with audio applications.

[@t.b1456]

GPU Passthrough virtualization makes Hackintosh much easier as you can pass through an amd graphics card and then use whatever hardware you want on your host os. This is great as you can use MacOS and Linux on the same machine at the same time.

[@oa_munich]

Your comparison is interesting but only looks at the acquisition cost, i.e. upfront cost. Your Hackintosh will consume substantially more power + being slower in video exports means longer run times under heavy load and much higher power bill. It might not seem like much, but if you'd count in 3-5 years of a computer life time - you'd get quite a spend difference. Especially with older less energy-efficient CPUs like 8th gen Intel and current energy prices in Europe (easily 600-800 EUR difference in 3 years). Modern Macs aren't user upgradable, you are right - but you can always replace the entire motherboard, and sell your old one. I'd say that's about the same amount of tinkering as replacing a CPU in a desktop.

[@BartechTV]

Right now, on my hackintosh with 11 Chrome tabs, Apple Mail, Activity Monitor and Intel Power gadget running, the CPU package is pulling 3.5 Watts. Under similar usage, my M1 CPU package is pulling 0.6 Watts according to PowerMetrics. That's 2.9 watts difference. With the two computers side by side, the difference in total system power draw, including monitor, keyboard and mouse is about 11 watts, which is 56 cents per month at current energy prices of 21 cents per kWh here in Europe. That's about € 18 over 3 years. To run up €800 in energy costs you'd have to be running a high end i7 or i9 and an RX 6800 GPU both at full load, 8 hours a day, every day, for 3 years.

[@oa_munich]

@@BartechTV I did not mean at idle CPU, but exporting ProRes, for example. You are lucky to have such a price, I pay .51€ per kWh in Europe.

[@heythere6983]

What confused me is that mac os seems to get glitchy if you don’t update the software , it’s like they do it on purpose . Many musicians keep really old operating systems so they can still use all their third party apps and devices without compatibility issues . Sticking with a real apple product always creates music production issues if you update on time and not updating for years can sometimes create weird issues for regular use . Doesn’t Apple have a way of owing your computer isn’t a real Apple device? Doesn’t their OS send information back to them constantly about usage and device being used? Or do they have no way of knowing? I wonder if someone were to release videos and music done on something like this, if they could somehow trace the info and see the persons usage history . Ami I wrong? I like the idea of a powerful computer with Apple software . Some music production companies aren’t even fully compatible with the m1 yet . It’s a very weird thing for musicians

[@macmind62-uu6rr]

I have a hackintosh et Asus Z390-H Gaming, Intel QQBY 3.10GHZ(I9-9900K), 32 Gb DDR4-2666, 500 Gb NVMe(Dualboot MacOS 14.3.1 and Windows 11 Pro), Rx 590 8gb, Corsair CS 750 PSU.😀

[@awesamos]

Could 7950x be hackintoshed

[@BartechTV]

Yes - browser.geekbench.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=7950x+macos

[@awesamos]

@@BartechTV cool. Thanks

[@h9hkk6155]

As a user of hackintosh for 10+ years, and before that an Mac user. I'm okay with switching to Linux when hackintosh wouldn't be usable.

[@TheArchitect101]

For me I want best of both worlds. For work I need to boot up into windows and run unreal engine alongside an Nvidia rtx 40XX card. So do hackintoshs support Nvidia RTX even though Apple don’t support them?

[@newfontherock]

Not on any new OS. The last Nvidia driver was several years ago

[@tiqo8549]

I ran hackintosh on a intel nuc for over 5 years now. Still works, still ok. But like you said..the M1 or M2 mac minis are cheap and powerfull. It doesn't make any sense anymore to build a hackintosh. Apple did well on that. Next computer i will purchase will be a Mini. Nuff said.

[@lehoang4699]

Can you guide me setup it ? i can't find the way setup about it

[@THEISTT]

Please make videos on how to run ios app in hackintosh Because windows 11support Android app

[@BartechTV]

It's not possible. iOS apps only run on ARM.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

The 8GB/256GB M2 Mac mini is landfill material. The lack of RAM will result in the SSD being used for swapping, leading to a premature death. Then I guess one will have to boot and work from an external drive.

[@BartechTV]

You can’t boot from an external drive once the internal ssd dies on an Apple silicon Mac. It’s literally a doorstop.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

@@BartechTV you can disable security restrictions using the startup security utility. Preferably before the SSD dies.

[@BartechTV]

Sure, you can change the security policy to boot from an external drive while the internal SSD is still working, but the boot process is controlled by a hidden volume on the internal SSD. So, if the internal SSD is dead, there's no way to boot at all.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

@@BartechTV doesn't setting the startup disk to default to the external drive save the setting to the nvram on Mac silicon hardware?

[@BartechTV]

The security policy is saved on the 1TR partition which resides on the internal SSD.

[@Technocrat.]

Ape is insane with their Ram and SSD upgrades. They are completely Nuts. Once Apple drops Intel support, Hakintosh's will be history

[@icspawn]

I've heard a rumor about Microsoft Windows 11 can be use on M 1 and M 2 chipsets near future. Is that mean there could be a possibility that hackintosh can survive ?

[@Роман-д1й1ш]

The problem is that new versions of Mac OS will no longer support the x86-64 architecture. The fact that windows will start (in general, it has been supporting it for a long time, but not Apple's m1 m2) to support the arm architecture will not help the hackintosh at all.

[@WhenKittensATK1125]

I think it’s Windows Arm and not the regular version.

[@icspawn]

@@Роман-д1й1ш So arm based windows laptops can run MacOs. That means there is a hope about hackintosh.

[@shib5267]

@@icspawn i don't think we know that yet. You can't just flash arm windows to a random arm soc (or maybe you can easily hack it idk), you can only buy laptops with it pre-installed. And apples new cpu is not freely available on the market like the Intel cpu were

[@weyoun6535]

You can use Windows 11 ARM in parallels desktop on an M1/2 Mac, I use it myself to run visual studio, it runs in a window. There’s definitely a performance hit, but it works fine. Microsoft apparently was in an exclusive contract to provide ARM windows only to a specific company, but that has now ended & it seems like ARM windows will be actively developed & available in the future. I was able to license the version I run in parallels via a W10 Pro license a year ago Right now there is no way to do a ‘boot camp’ type install of windows for ARM Macs which allowed a MACOS/win dual boot, but it wouldn’t be surprising that it will appear, it just takes Apple writing windows drivers for their chips/devices. On intel Macs, boot camp is a big selling point, so it’s still to their benefit to do the same for ARM. With many people only wanting to run windows for games, it looks like that might not be necessary in the future anyway as Apple is now developing a DX12 layer which can run windows games natively. It’s just designed for developers to test their software but already people are using it to run games. It’s part of the next OS beta, so you have to install that beta to get it atm, but will be released around September.

[@MichaelSidneyTimpson]

It's only upgradable as long as MacOS still supports new models of GPUs and intel GPUs.

[@h.b.5577]

Well at this GPU support is likely best its ever going to get with rdna2, but with cpu's people have made newer than officially supported ones (even with hybrid architectures) work just fine, so combine that with paravirtualization (virtualizing os, but pcie passing through gpu) and cpu support isn't really much of a concern.

[@oldtimer666]

Do you think hackintoshes would last till 2030?

[@CarinoGamingStudio]

if that thing can run mac game natively i might install it