BYD Seal Performance range test

[@luis6674]

There was a Swedish car magazine that tested the AWD system in the Seal by placing some rollers in the rear wheels and found out it was not really an AWD car because it would get stuck and not activate the front wheels to advance. They communicated their findings to BYD and BYD issued a quick software update. Probably that's why now it's AWD all the time, even when not needed. They're probably try to figure out how to make a good software that works well for every scenario. So in a way, it's good news that it's probably a software issue that can be fixed with some update.

[@hummerltheOh]

If they really put out a SW-change that caused the car to be AWD all the time i wonder if they had to re-run the certification tests. Because I doubt that such a change would not affect the rated range.

[@SomeoneAbstruse]

​@@hummerltheOh From what I gathered from those swedish tests it was mainly reverse that had the issue of not being awd (correct me if wrong) But curious that it runs 4wd instead now. They should update range and consumption estimates, or get the hammer during all range tests

[@hummerltheOh]

@@SomeoneAbstruse At least in my company we have to provide proof for all SW changes post certification that they have no impact on range

[@Alberto-mq7gw]

The tests were not for reverse. I saw the videos. They can be found online. That said, I don't know if that software update is the culprit for the relatively high consumption or not. I just think it's a plausible explanation. I don't know if there's legislation in place regarding sw updates, but I think that many manufacturers are pushing updates that can impact important things, including security. BYD itself has released updates to make the driving assistances less intrusive, after admitting that they had to first make them like that in order to get 5 stars rating on Euroncap tests. So I don't think that an update that impacts the consumption is too big of a deal compared to the other ones.

[@egil-andrenessmortensen3037]

​@@SomeoneAbstruse i dont think it was reverse. Are you thinking of the mgs? They dont have awd (hardware) in reverse

[@minicirco]

„the windsock is hanging, so it‘s maybe kaput“ 😂 3:25

[@laurynaszubrickas1061]

I have the RWD version, in the summer in 20C @ 110 kmh I get around 17kwh/100 km. In the winter with 5C, wind and rain I get around 19 kwh/100 km. Lane centering is great when it works but tends to follow the exit line which then needs manual correction.

[@jovceata]

the honking is also a safety future of child presence detection CPD if you are to seat in the car you need to turn it off in the ADAS settings

[@et1965]

You need to try the Seal Premium. It has a big battery and is rear wheel drive only. Much more efficient.

[@jimmyp1433]

It is more efficient, but still not great for a RWD , and will likely still get equally beaten by the Tesla and BMW RWD's so is a bit of a moot pt.

[@hydroconcepts]

@@jimmyp1433 I have a premium and I am running those tests at the moment and I am very dissapointed 450klm is the best I can do in winter running eco standard and 50% highway.

[@darudis]

Finally!!! Do as many videos with it as you can

[@SamiPaju]

I drove the BYD Seal in April and had the same issue with autosteer. It would suddenly disengage without a warning. Even when the weather was clear, there was no debris on the road and the lane markings had been recently painted. Very unnerving.

[@londonwestman1]

This is a bit of a shame.. I liked this car but that penalty for the 4wd not be optimised yet - one way or another - is big. It's using a third more energy than the equivalent Model 3 at the lower speed (and 20% more at the high speed). And I think 4wd is just about essential as we have a dodgy farm track to think about.

[@davidolsson]

I have the awd seal. It’s alot lower and the awd can be turned off by using eco + ITAC off :) lowest is 11 during long trip.

[@zoomzoom9999]

AWD != 4WD

[@Blasterxp]

Audio test should be on the highway, im not chilling in the garage

[@benedictuswinner3995]

bro on highway too much distraction especially from road noise

[@jchung5265]

I'm thinking byd sound system is comparable to Toyota jbl rather than say Lexus ml sound!

[@UgglemannenFTW]

Some say it is more efficient if you remove the ITAC. You should test the difference if you got the time for it. The reason also why the car honks at you when sitting still is that the child presence detection is active.

[@Panardo777]

Sound system is bad but become really outstanding if you change the configuration : equaliser (high bass and treble) and mode ( entouré in french) i can send you the pictures of the settings

[@SørenAbrahamsen]

I am pretty sure that weight is at least some of the explanation. Almost 500 kg more than the Tesla. That is a lot of weight extra. And weight do matter to the consumption

[@kosmonautik639]

Auto steer sometimes stops working in a turn...no big deal...just go straight

[@devact6169]

I have a Seal and I can tell you that it should be RWD in Eco mode with ITAC setting off. The difference in consumption isn't crazy though, maybe 1 or 2 kwh/100km less.

[@chrissun2882]

Mine awd seal could only do 380km for 80% highway /(100kph) 20% city not ideal

[@nicco182]

Will you be testing Long range??

[@jpataca5598]

The car energy icon never showed just one motor working. Its just a gimmick that shows when you using energy and when your regenerating.

[@davidolsson]

Correct

[@eyeofthetiger6002]

"Better enjoy the Nordic summer before it's over.....shiiiiiittt"😂 would love to experience the light midnight sky here in the UK though but not the long dark Nordic winters!

[@davidstud3952]

whats with the crazy high delta? Maybe these batteries heat up more while driving than others, thats why consumption is bad.

[@ronenyoh]

BJORN THANKS AGAIN FOR AGREAT TEST BUT I THINK THE BYD SEAL RWD IS THE ONE TO TEST .....WAIT FOR THAT

[@bjornnyland]

THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK UNFORTUNATELY ONLY THE AWD VERSION IS AVAILABLE IN NORWAY

[@pieplateindustries]

In Electric vehicles there shouldn't be much range difference whether AWD is engaged or not. There is in an ICE car because there is still just one motor which in AWD mode needs to go through extra transmissions and diffs to get to all four wheels, each of which robs power. In an EV which has two separate like the BYD motors there should be no extra losses, in fact it could even be less power hungry as each motor can run at a cooler and possibly more efficient level. The AWD model will use more energy than the Single motor however because it is heavier, (almost 200kg), but switching off one motor on the AWD doesn't make that motor disappear, it is still there being lugged around and needing the same energy because the weight is still there.

[@zoomzoom9999]

AWD does not have engagements. AWD is per definition always enabled. Only 4WD goes on and off depending on conditions. AWD != 4WD

[@pieplateindustries]

@@zoomzoom9999 yes, but that's irrelevant to what I was trying to say. 4WD or AWD, was just saying that the energy sapping of driving all 4 wheels off one motor in an ICE which uses diffs etc to distribute the power, compared to a more energy efficient electric multi motor system. People seem to be thinking that Seal AWD will use more power than a single motor system, and that if they could turn off one motor (which some think they have been able to) it would use less power at the same speed. I don't think this would be the case.

[@rubenrios113]

Bjorn, it so nice to see that you are employing other methods to determine efficiency. this is a good method of determining long term efficiency of a vehicle. The 283 wh/km is more accurate than the cars 193 wh/km. I would enter the 283 into EvNotify to give me an actual range coupled with a ABRP to get the live data. This allowed me to see in real time the adjusted distance before turning in to charging the vehicle. What a difference it makes on a road trip here in the USA. Our chargers are far and not reliable. ABRP allows us now to rate the stations from A to F. I only go to stations that are rated A or B when on a trip. Hope your family is well.

[@minicirco]

TB is with talking hands .. this is freaking new! 4:50

[@electriccarstv]

thank you for the video please give as much detailed information as possible did it come to a full stop? if you did not come to a complete stop, how did you calculate the capacity of the accumulator, according to you, it is lower than stated by the manufacturer. will you please also test with rear drive? I understand that if the temperature was above 20 degrees, the result would be better, I am very disappointed with the high consumption

[@davidolsson]

Would nice to see a test for vampire drain for different cars. I’ve been driving bmw and tesla alot and just switched to the seal, seening second to none drain parked…really strange 😮

[@henvan8737]

I'm pretty sure the Seal has a PTC heater and it is quite heavy 400kg more than the Tesla Highland LR. Our local agent in Australia is coming out with the Sealion 7 in the next few months.

[@davidolsson]

Yes it has a ptc. Low fan setting in the beginning to let it warm up and the scoop on the heat. There’s also a economy setting in the AC settings page. Don’t know if it was on or in normal??

[@mathiasknauer4464]

Bjoern, changing from the assumption of available range is always a linear range. Standard range is a higher consumption and dynamic range is only by dynamic driving style. But it does not calculate your range by your current consumption. This is a huge flaw with BYD.

[@cangundogdu1899]

it s really funny that speedo changes rapidly like 122-121-122-121 :d

[@alanrmurphy]

That would really annoy me though

[@Ravindratech7598]

I think that the reason for BYD Seal performance for being thirstier than Model 3 LR highland is because it is significantly heavier than model 3 which is about the same weight of my mahindra XUV700 and it doesn't dissengage all motors. @19:55

[@bjornnyland]

But how come BMW i4 M50 which is heavier can have way better efficiency than Seal?

[@Mailme81]

​@bjornnyland no it doesn't.

[@vasil7410]

Try your next run with iTAC off. It could save around 3kWh/100km.

[@kenion2166]

What is itac

[@gmargetis]

​@@kenion2166 it's like esp

[@davidolsson]

Yeah the audio is so much better in all around mode, night and day esp on the bass :). Been on long runs and seeing 16-18 dueing spring with th awd version. 11 if you turn off the ac 😂

[@kwphua9172]

The motor play the part

[@jtamm4021]

Normal consumption for heavy car with poor man’s LFP battery, would be nice to see charging speed during winter time without preheating

[@savercop]

if you go one ECO and disable ITAC, then it will only use the rear Motor :-) ..... and there is a higher sonsumption when ITAC is on. turn of and it will be even in Normal and Sport an better result.

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. Itac was already off when I tested.

[@zoomzoom9999]

Makes no sense. It’s a AWD and not 4WD. AWD is per definition always enabled, while 4WD is only enabled when traction is needed.

[@davidstud3952]

@@zoomzoom9999 doesn't it have 2 motors? one for front axle, one back axle?

[@ozzelot1983]

So far, what I have found out is that some articles, including those from BYD, provide incorrect information about the front motor technology. In Austria, it is stated that the front motor is a permanent magnet synchronous motor, but in reality, it is an asynchronous motor. An asynchronous motor cannot regenerate energy during braking and cannot be fully turned off, which means it continuously consumes more energy. I have decided on the AWD Seal model and hope they can optimize it for better energy consumption. I will do more research and also contact BYD Austria. They should and will have to explain why they provide incorrect product descriptions.

[@morrisg]

@ozzelot1983: You have that backwards: the asynchronous motor is an induction motor and therefore deenergizing the stator completely turns off the motor. A permanent magnet motor generates back emf when it rotates because the magnets in the rotor cannot be turned off. Go watch the latest Munro video where they analyze these two types of motor for more details.

[@ozzelot1983]

@@morrisg sorry you are right, i mixed here something

[@morrisg]

@@ozzelot1983 No worries! We're all learning new things. 😀

[@peterobrien7465]

So am l understanding your chart . The model 3 performance has more range than the model 3 LR highland.

[@brandon4185]

Check the tires and conditions. The highland was tested in the wet, with non-OEM Falken winter tires and average temps were 17 degrees C colder (63 degrees F).

[@vhol93]

Awesome !

[@SuperMan-tl1nd]

Björn stopp review the stereo

[@thomasbollmann86]

try itac off while driving eco, so it should only be RWD.

[@bjornnyland]

Sounds like a bad idea.

[@thomasbollmann86]

@@bjornnyland even the worst ideas need a try sometimes ;)

[@daverouth]

Never had itac on in my Seal and I have AWD and both motors work all the time, had the Seal for 4 months now and don’t regret getting it even though it’s nowhere near as efficient as a Tesla but it does have HUD and indicator stalks

[@michaelschmied]

​@@bjornnylandI-Tac is not traction control. It is just the way they named the torque vectoring system. So no need to be scared😉

[@davidstud3952]

@@daverouth how can you tell if both motors run or just one?

[@tesla-spectre]

200 Wh/km at only 90 kmh? That is baaaaaaad

[@GForce162]

for model that's released 3 years ago, it's normal. the new seal 2025 will surpass tesla in fundamental level.

[@Clove_Parma]

The RWD one is much closer to 150-160 in my experience

[@tesla-spectre]

@@Clove_Parma well I have a Model 3 LR 2021 and I have 100-110Wh/km at 90kmh under those conditions

[@davidolsson]

Strange I have alpt lower on mine. Over 110 the comsumption rises faster than others like the tesla.

[@jimgraham6722]

When it comes to power consumption my BYD Atto3 despite being far less streamlined, does much better than this, typically 14-16KWh/100km or better. It is also a much lighter at just 1750Kg.

[@Longsnowsm]

Wow, BYD software appears WAY behind. I didn't expect it to be so poor. They really need to dial it in. Efficiency is awful. It is amazing to me that they are expanding markets globally so quickly with what appears to be a weak product offering. I guess for the right price it doesn't matter?

[@davidolsson]

What is bad?

[@Longsnowsm]

@@davidolsson If it has to be explained then to you it must not be bad then? Eye of the beholder I guess.

[@davidolsson]

@@Longsnowsm I’ve been owning both teslas and bmw, testdriving a lot of brands and sure there are some translations here and there but the functions works. Add to that that the chineese methodology of how they design their cars and software there are far worse UIs out there.

[@Longsnowsm]

@@davidolsson Like I said, eye of the beholder. Thankfully software can be fixed. Hopefully BYD is working on their software. From my perspective this is pretty poor.

[@zoomzoom9999]

⁠@@LongsnowsmDo you always criticizes things and counter with “eye of the beholder”? How about actually rationalizing what you’re criticizing? Is it the translation? The colors? Unresponsive touch screen? Shitty lane assist? Shitty adaptive cruise control?

[@hg60justice]

maybe the heater is really inefficient. 🤣 my bolt euv does better in the cold than this in warmish temps. terrible efficiency.

[@newscoulomb3705]

I do not like Bjorn saying, "99.8." I only like Bjorn saying, "99.9!"

[@paulogomes8762]

Bjorn, la gestion des moteurs est mauvaise, la gestion thermique des batteries est loin d'être optimisée, le poids impact la résistance au roulement de plus 22% pour les presque 400 kg de plus que la model 3 LRH. A mon avis , donc l'impact de l'efficience pèse pour + 7% et le surpoids sur la résistance au roulement +22% = +30% de consommation ???? Ton avis ?

[@Xavi7192]

Il faudrait que Bjorn reteste la LR Highland cet été, et la différence serait encore plus importante

[@Urkfjfjrjcjdhejs]

3:16 "Fresh ass" :D lol

[@thomasczylok2269]

is there any chance to configure the car running on 1 motor only?

[@bjornnyland]

I don't think so.

[@michaelschmied]

In Eco Mode with I-Tac off, it should really only be RWD.

[@davidolsson]

Eco and Itac off

[@alancobbin]

I’m gonna say before watching it will be close but no,Tesla is still the king of efficiency.

[@alancobbin]

380kg heavier than Model 3,dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

[@rui569]

NEC - not even close

[@alancobbin]

@@rui569yeah I even expected the Seal to be a lot closer also,I certainly didn’t know the weight difference was that huge.

[@s.kxx1956]

ABC-Always blame China

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

It's not always about efficiency.

[@kaurinjugoslav6326]

Isn't it a bigger car, with at least weight-wise you are looking at 20%. Hence the nearly as much higher consumption & lower range...

[@bjornnyland]

It's only 10 cm bigger than Model 3 and 2 cm bigger than i4.

[@MuhammadIsa-ik3kh]

Put the camera the u use to put it when driving with Izabel (your baby)

[@UgglemannenFTW]

Seal vs the HAN?

[@GreenDriveIndia]

Seal is the Han

[@UgglemannenFTW]

@@GreenDriveIndia its two different cars.

[@Andydwyer99]

@@GreenDriveIndiano it isn’t !!

[@jimmyp1433]

because it's not very sophisticated in it's motor/inverter/battery management compared to either Tesla or BMW, (or some others) .. Not really a surprise at all, unless you're one of these people that think this car is 'just as good' as more expensive cars

[@mohammedkhan5344]

Tesla 60 kw LFP rwd could probably achieve this range at half the price on the second hand market

[@tridruankham2657]

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[@robertpawley5715]

Less efficient because it has an LFP pack? Tesla apart from base rwd one don’t

[@davidolsson]

Atleast it can use 100% daily without affecting the battery performance. If you pay for 100% then you should be able to use it daily :)

[@robertpawley5715]

@@davidolsson sure, however for most people this is unlikely and more likely to need a longer range when on a trip.

[@davidolsson]

@@robertpawley5715 sure but then no need for that large battery. I rather have abig battery always topped up than a larg battery always between 20-80%. If I pay for all that range then I should be able to benefit for it.

[@robertpawley5715]

@@davidolsson the opposite is true as LFP are both heavier and have lower energy density. That is why the Seal is so heavy compared to Model 3 Performance

[@davidolsson]

@@robertpawley5715 true true!

[@GreenDriveIndia]

I suspect tesla motors manages heat and eddy current better than this due to that Tesla has higher efficiency at higher speeds

[@benedictuswinner3995]

they are lighter thats why tesla got more range

[@bjornnyland]

But how come BMW i4 M50 which is heavier can have way better efficiency than Seal?

[@Scrap-press]

Almost all Chinese EVs Bjorn has tested so far, have shown to be less efficient than Tesla, BMW etc. Theres more to building an EV than just putting in a motor and battery. Remember Tesla is able to charge blade battery much faster than BYD themselves.

[@GreenDriveIndia]

@@Scrap-press yes I also tell the same

[@tobiascelik3607]

19.3 kw/100km is pretty good if speed is at 115km/h.

[@dima006]

It was 90 km/h and that is very worse!

[@tobiascelik3607]

Oh ok yeah thats really bad for a sedan. My Mach e rwd can do it around 15-16 during summer time and thats a suv.

[@cj0779926]

Maybe they make battery and this rather put effort to achieve bigger capacity than to make the car more energy efficient.

[@RuffyUzumakii7]

I suspect the same as for many other cars. If a Model 3 is a nearly perfect welldesigned EV (talking about cable and control unit management +) in getting the best out of a real EV built from scratch (Frunk, propeller shaft tunnel etc.), this BYD is not (yet). Perfect balance between regen and accelerating, perfect balance between heating the battery and making the best out of the used/invested energy (#octovalve), more efficient devices (Screens, performance of the AC), less cablemanagement, less control units for the same thing, heavier and less efficient motors (in combination with worse energytransfer in between all the parts and from/to the battery). Tesla has a few years of advantage and already optimized a lot. I remember when I got an update that gave me 30kms more range. Only with an OVA!

[@davidolsson]

Drove th id7 and it can also just quit auto steer without making a sound.

[@mkompanje]

Huh? I own an ID.7, never happened to my. Drove an Enyaq before and not even then…

[@davidolsson]

@@mkompanje drove 3 on different occasion just to test against my tesla and others.

[@davidcb9544]

I dont believe that , 20 kw /100 90 kms/h ?

[@bjornnyland]

*200 Wh/km

[@davidcb9544]

maybe Rwd is more efficient

[@s.kxx1956]

Maybe they don’t have thermal and dynamic efficiency in china

[@DouglasJMark]

BYD cars seem so so. Mechanically, they seem more Chevy than BMV, decent transportation. The tech is far from Tesla’s. Tesla’s sound system isn’t talked about much. It’s just very good. I wonder if BYD has regular OTA updates like Tesla? They should get better in terms of tech. 🤔 Overall seems like a decent car that I hope gets better.

[@xaviart4727]

iTac OFF gives about 17 percent more range.

[@bjornnyland]

Itac was already off in this test.

[@xaviart4727]

@@bjornnyland Ok. How about when accelerating?

[@Lestat1759]

So it's a silent, comfortable, fast crap that not only consumes 30+% more than my Tesla M3 but it also constantly wants to kill me ? :O Not convinced yet. My Tesla M3 consumption under same conditions at 90 km/h: 120Wh/km, at 120 km/h: 162Wh/km

[@VictorSalendu]

like like like!

[@deserialized]

Turn off ITAC. Saves 15-20% energy

[@bjornnyland]

It was already off.

[@deserialized]

@@bjornnyland please note that it is always off in parked mode but changes (to what we it was set to) when setting D

[@maniacyro5167]

The seal is too heavy to be efficient.

[@bjornnyland]

But how come BMW i4 M50 which is heavier can have way better efficiency than Seal?

[@moncimoov]

no, byd is 3,8 miles/kwh same with taycan.. not good for efficiency.. 1. Tesla Model 3 - 7.5km/kWh 2. Polestar 2 Long Range - 6.7km/kWh 3. Mercedes-Benz EQE 300 - 6.4km/kWh 4. Porsche Taycan - 6.1km/kWh 5. BYD Seal - 6.1km/kWh 6. BMW i5 - 5.9km/kWh but premium seal is allright🎉

[@ravishekhar6852]

It's heavy so that thirsty..

[@bjornnyland]

But i4 M50 weighs more and is way more efficient?

[@thomas-si3sf]

Rims with poor aerodynamic or low tire pressure, that's the only explanation I can think of for the high consumption

[@bjornnyland]

235 tires are quite efficient. Low tire pressure should trigger a warning on the screen.

[@camneilsen8234]

​@@bjornnylandlower pressure than the ideal factory requirement could cost more energy, but not trigger warning

[@davidstud3952]

@@bjornnyland only triggers warnings if its really low (you could tell by driving)

[@darius101101]

When x invades y you won't get parts for x cars.

[@zoomzoom9999]

Nice. Enjoy your unrepairable appliances, computers, phones, gadgets etc. when x gets invaded by y.

[@abdulwaduod11]

heavy car

[@deurkl]

Are people here seriously suggesting to turn off the traction control? 😂 edit: it’s torque vectoring, I guess it could be turned off

[@vasil7410]

iTAC is not traction control. It's what they call the torque vectoring.

[@deurkl]

@@vasil7410 ohhh interesting

[@electric-up2tr]

The Chinese can keep this car. Crap name car looks cheap. You wouldn't be able to get any parts for it and the insurance would be sky high and it's thirsty.

[@davidolsson]

Tesla model Y runs on BYD batteries… 30years in making batteries an EV…

[@zoomzoom9999]

Rather have it look cheap than feel cheap. Have you ever touched the interior of a Tesla model 3?

[@davidolsson]

@@zoomzoom9999 Yeah I’ve owned one aswell..

[@gorankunovic6404]

Garbage

[@tridrean]

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