Why You CAN'T Compare PC Hardware to Console Hardware

[@logan-zy9zk]

So the budget pc market is dead and the high-end pc market is unavailable in stores 🤔

[@scottyhaines4226]

It'll be like that for the next 2 years

[@darklight6921]

and then you cant even get a console.

[@boosteddaily1294]

@DokiMin Easier to get a PS5 than the Nvidia 3 series graphics cards.

[@TheTerk]

Ehh budget PC's will always exist, but will take a bit for the market to open up a bit to grab good last-gen stuff for cheap

[@boosteddaily1294]

@@jvraghavaramasharma120 Where is this 3060ti that you speak of. It's as rare as Mew. SMH.

[@moncr79]

Once again I find the moral of the story to be. Never pre-order or buy games at launch, at least wait for a few patches and driver updates.

[@khazms]

I've known this since PS3 days, when it first came out. Although, don't wait too long. Waiting too long will lose your hype or excitement and you may end up never playing it. Which, isn't too much of a big deal, but you would miss out. That's just been my experience. So many iconic games I waited for .. never ended up playing. And now those games don't really look as great as graphics just continued to improve.

[@bluerune7305]

@@khazms also if you wait too long i tend to run into spoilers on youtube cause no one knows how to type the words "spoilers" in the title which kills the excitement and some times makes me not even interested anymore :(

[@baxter009]

Especially preordering digital. Are they gonna clear out the store shelves and warehouse?

[@Mizra-dq3lj]

I wait a few months and then get the complete deluxe edition for like $15

[@khazms]

​@@bluerune7305 I've not had that experience too often. Even if I am spoiled, I'd still want to play. If I recall, the most recent game I've gotten spoiled on was The Last of Us 2, but generally, I don't get spoiled. Still, it's a good point. But at the same time, I've never seen any God of War spoilers or Assassin's Creed ones. Cyberpunk, haven't seen any, etc.

[@r4m4r4ng]

There was a bug in Cyberpunk that prevented the 4-core and 6-core processors from getting their full performance. This has been fixed in patch 1.05.

[@SnooZeGamezZz]

Tech is slowly losing his grasp on hardware vs optimization. Thinking 64gb of ram is needed or 8c cpu is still not true, if you need put a setting in a game like ultra npc settings in cyberpunk or like ultra on crysis back in the day then yeah the devs can push any amount of hardware, but thinking those settings are necessary to have decent fidelity is laughable.

[@wargames43]

@@SnooZeGamezZz i dunno man my 5950X uses all cores. And they have enabled this in patch 1.05 ;)

[@hugoanderkivi]

@@wargames43 Usage does not necessarily equal better performance. My 6-core handles Cyberpunk 2077 mostly well, and the utilization is 60-80%.

[@armorcle]

@@SnooZeGamezZz exactly this, that shit is just stupid.. 10-12 core cpu? most games don't even use more than 2 and 6 year old i5's can still run most games today, gpu is usually the issue and you can just turn down the settings if your gpu isn't fast enough lmao

[@OGNubbs]

@@armorcle yes and no. Gpu is usually only a bottleneck with higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k. The rest is usually more based on cpu and especially the single core performance. Like the 5600x as an example it has better single core performance over even the i9 10900k and using same gpu the machine with better cpu will have better performance so I would think what you said can definitely have it's ifs and buts depending on certain variables but at times you are right

[@samismos6892]

Having a 2014 budget PC, i5 4460 and 750 Ti, it makes a lot of sense to me to get a budget pc in 2021 to play all the games I can't play, starting 2015 up until 2020. I understand your point, but sometimes it's not that bad to go from ultra to high or medium for a lot of people. I really understand your views most of the times, but sometimes you don't consider all the different financial situations people can be in. Your videos always make me reconsider what I know though... good stuff...

[@coreyrandall2753]

I feel like telling people to spend $3k on a gaming set up just to play a terribly optimized game is setting a bad precedent for game optimization in the future. Oh, and that’s only going to be good for a few years

[@robreich6881]

The game actually ran fine on launch on my PC I bought for $1500 from Bestbuy a year earlier.

[@veckgames]

Basically the 8th-gen consoles being as lackluster as they were allowed the budget PC space to thrive, because almost regardless of what you put into your build it would still be superior to what 8th-gen consoles had under the hood.

[@bryanwesleyko564]

Am i the only one who thinks, hey I have the money to purchase high end parts, but is it the right thing to do? 🤔 then I fall into deep thinking and then later think about buying again 😆

[@bl1nd214]

Bro im in the exact same situation and i dont know what gpu to buy

[@khazms]

Buy what you need. If you want to play AAA games for a few years at 1080p, 100+fps , 1440p

[@trueromani7262]

its called consumerism. I went into this too and then built my rig and now I have buyer's remorse. But just a simple piece of advice: buy an rtx card. Doesn't has to be the 30-series but a 2070 is cool too. I'm saying this cuz some games don't even load some textures just because your gpu can't do it. No alternate textures, get raytracing. Freakin sucks.

[@bl1nd214]

@@trueromani7262 i was thinking about the rx6800xt bc i really dont care that much about raytracing and it has 16g of vram that could be much more useful in the future

[@trueromani7262]

@@bl1nd214 the more vram is better. CONTROL kicks the air out of my 1650S and i still can't get stable 40 fps. I don't give a sh*t about ray tracing either but jesse fayden's hair look very messy and unrendered even though i paid $200 for the gpu (i know, not much but this is my first build).

[@yiannis777-l9c]

love those commentaries, always interesting to listen to people who know what they're talking about

[@madboi1591]

Yep but theres always an idiot saying a ps5 is better than a 3080

[@yiannis777-l9c]

@@madboi1591 it's not directly better but i can understand why would someone place a ps5 higher than a 3080.

[@yiannis777-l9c]

@@madboi1591 i personally hate the people who say 30 and 60 fps aren't that much of a difference..

[@madboi1591]

@@yiannis777-l9c I mean u really thi k that ps5 is goin to age well in 4 yrs lol I doubt it and it's not like they goin to release a new console by then . No , it will probably be 6 to 7 years before they even announce a new console . But by then a whole new gpus would have been out still making those new consoles obsolete but try telling people that

[@madboi1591]

@@jvraghavaramasharma120 lol yep but try telling hes dumbass that lol let's see how hes ps5 is in 4 yrs haha

[@TerraWare]

After monitoring the internet for weeks, I was finally able to find a 6800 XT at my local Micro Center on Monday. I'm glad the hunt's finally over . The silicon lottery seems to be quite good too. I currently have the GPU clocked to 2.7Ghz and the memory to 2100 Mhz.

[@gills87]

The best deal seems to wait until the games get 2~3 years old in order to play them properly with new hardware. I don't have any problems playing older games, it's not like Shadow of the Tomb Raider looks bad now, the game is still gorgeous.

[@MoneyMaking861]

According to him u need a 3080 ti

[@gills87]

@@MoneyMaking861 Haha. But I'll be getting a 3080 Ti in February anyway :p

[@laserspewpew_7175]

Exactly not everyone has to play games as soon as they come out and not everyone has to play in 4K . Games that are 1-2 years old don’t suddenly look like crap so some people do upgrade to play games that aren’t necessarily brand new.

[@mckoon26]

There is one buggy game that runs poorly, so that’s justification to spend 3 grand on a computer build, the majority of pc gamers are on 1080 monitors. And it’s gonna take two to three years before they quit making games for the ps4 and Xbox one, midrange cards are gonna work just fine people, be wary of the people trying to sell you things.

[@mckoon26]

@@Aki_Lesbrinco totally agree, I hate when this guy tells his viewers they need a 700 dollar card and a 12 core cpu to game on pc. That turns away new pc gamers, more people on pc means more support from game devs and more competitive hardware, all this video does is hurt pc gaming.

[@southcheesecake]

@@Aki_Lesbrinco game isnt unfinished, it just doesnt run on xbox one and ps4. Cyberpunk runs great on my pc so shove your unfinished game up where the sun dont shine.

[@saricubra2867]

Maybe any game pre 2010's can be considered buggy because they run in one thread.

[@saricubra2867]

@@Aki_Lesbrinco Multithreading in gaming has always been a marketing fallacy. You can't make videogame code running in parallel very well compared to rendering and other stuff like that, finally, gaming is GPU bound. This lie about the focus of threads instead of the speed for the CPU cores themselves leads to the poor people that bought Zen 2 for gaming instead of Intel or Zen 3.

[@yigaelvidz6869]

Im so glad you put this comment

[@yigaelvidz6869]

So i should buy a 600$ 12 core cpu and a 3080 to play a buggy game and play new titles on high settings without my pc lasting 2 years?

[@bauer9101]

Sometimes feels like I am the only PC gamer not in it for the graphics. For me it is options, choice and freedom to play how I want. Tried console many times but felt 'locked in'

[@anthonycapo1998]

We need to stop using cyberpunk 2077 as a benchmark. It’s only one game. It seems like people use CP as a gatekeeper.

[@iankovac1878]

Same when the original Crysis came out. It will be around for a while "Can it run Cyberpunk?" LOL

[@jordangogov5866]

@@iankovac1878 first Crisis's plot began at 2020 in game and ended in 2020 in real life, RIP to "But can it run Crisis".... so the minute silence ends, the dead of crisis joke frees the space for Cyberpunk 2077 who's plot is in the year 2077 and the joke will long live until the year 2077 when they will invent GPU that maybe can run it fine (45 fps stable) and our grandchildren will say RIP to "But can it run Cyberpunk" and invite the new game and make it the new joke

[@ChrisYeates-Vancity]

I feel like a bit of a dick playing cyberpunk and enjoying it on a high end PC right now, I wish more people were able to enjoy it as much as I am right now:(

[@RESURRECT2]

The dicks work in marketing, promising "next gen UHD 4K HDR ULTRA" gameplay on consoles, which is obvious lie, and developers who cut graphics not to show how good are PCs and how better can be a game on PC, so the console players won't be offended and won't feel worse. And for me - there is no difference when I play "ultra", but the graphics are "low" or when I play "low" setting, but the graphics are "ultra". I just enjoy good graphics. But some people care that they have to have "the best graphics" on $300 console...

[@mrkvn223]

Playing the game on my PS4 slim and somehow I'm still having fun. Just experiencing crashes and some frame drops. I will install the game on my 3200g build PC once I added a 1650 Super. Hehe..

[@83RhalataShera]

It can be played at 1080p 60 fps with optimized settings even with a lower end PC.

[@Kuroganemk2]

I played it on medium settings on a 4 year old PC. It doesn't take much to run lol

[@reformed-kingace2412]

You should man since i can't find a gpu to pair with this nice cpu that i've got

[@atypical_blk_guy]

I wanted to upgrade my i7 2600k to the 2700x but decided to get the 3700x with a b550 instead. I mainly play minecraft and other survival games but I also am a software developer.

[@ludapecurka102]

Ok???!

[@amirtak9886]

I mean it's a great collector's item lol

[@KEYBEATZ]

My RTX 2070 super and 3900x 32gb platform can run cyberpunk 2077 much better than the console versions of the game

[@samuelm5140]

I'm curious as to how well the PS5/XSX updates to the game will run!

[@Napoleonic_S]

I have similar specs, it only runs good when I turn off ray tracing and use DLSS, playing with Digital Fpundry optimized settings at 3440x1440 res.

[@coreyrandall2753]

Lol your GPU alone cost as much as the console itself

[@KEYBEATZ]

@@coreyrandall2753you pay a premium for higher end hardware yet it's well worth it. For what I need the hardware to do.

[@noita4468]

My 3070 and my ryzen 9 is decent on cyberpunk

[@deenycest10710]

PCMR = no poors allowed...lol

[@deenycest10710]

@@hansbehrends438 I'm glad in the USA everything is still open to your personal interpretation and opinion. So great!

[@deenycest10710]

@@hansbehrends438 like preaching to the choir much? Lol Keep going!

[@muuhnkin4611]

@@deenycest10710 noooo you're wrong about that: PCMR = cry about consoles holding PC gaming back and then cry that your 50$ gts710 can't run games, because they are "poorly optimized" ...

[@cruz1n494]

@@muuhnkin4611 😂

[@deenycest10710]

@@muuhnkin4611 idc to type all that on my cp while working 😂 but true

[@thebossroleplay4105]

alot of youtubers that think they know it all need to listen to this guy he is right glad i found him 6 months ago

[@justanobody4983]

True. All youtubers say 6 cores and 16gb is enough. Wait till you go 8 cores 32gb, all that usage goes up fairly quickly and games runs more smoothly. Everytime i need to upgrade, i go to this channel.

[@chrisbillingham9164]

I'm sorry but 64gb for gaming doesn't make any sense. I agree 32gb so that you have an abundance of extra RAM to compensate for future titles and some productivity but not 64gb.

[@muuhnkin4611]

Having games like COD CW regularly dipping into high 20s low 30s on RAM usage, I would say you're probably wrong on that. And yes the game uses about 27-35 GB of RAM. And it reserves over 20gb of VRAM. Games are getting more and more memory hungry and I would say that 32 is the next 16. Good enough for most stuff, but not optimal for everything. 32 is definitely not that future proof, because there are games by now that use more. It's only good enough.

[@muuhnkin4611]

@@Aki_Lesbrinco yes, currently cod is an outlier, but I expect newer games to be in that ballpark too. New consoles have 20 GB ram too. I know it's 3 different speeds of ram but games are going to get more hardware hungry. Same happened on the transition from ps31 Era to ps4 Era of games. Once the ps4 gets thrown out the window for newer releases, games will need a lot more power than they need now. Most newer AAA games use more than 16gigs by now. Horizon, cod, cyberpunk, bf5, bf1, battlefront etc. All can use more than 16 GB RAM (most between 16-20) Games make use of more RAM if you have it. Tbh. I probably would have stayed on 32gb for gaming only, but I'm working on my PC too and 64 are better for that workload. 16gb will definitely get outdated over the course of this hardware generation. My guess is that 32 will be the norm when RTX 4000 or AMD 7000 hits.

[@chrisbillingham9164]

@@muuhnkin4611 That's my point. If your just gaming 32gb will be plenty for a while. 64gb is more useful for people who game as well as do some productivity.

[@DroolingNoob115]

From my experience in development for multiple platforms I 100% agree. A game for a console or any platform is always a different product which is designed especially for that system.

[@d1str0]

Already played cyberpunk on rtx 3080 , i9 10850k.. man cpu usage was running in between 70 to 84 prcnt. With no background task running. Games are becoming resource demanding..

[@Joreel]

I use a program called Game Booster and it turns off any background programs that aren't needed to run games. Once the game closes, it turns them back on. It's amazing how much better games run with it.

[@d1str0]

@@Joreelgameboosters are good when you are low on ram.

[@afxquest6167]

The ps4 is 7 year hardware of course cyberpunk will not look good

[@MrKilljay]

Cyberpunk 2077 is a game that was developed for and was intended to run on base ps4 and xbone consoles. There is NO EXCUSE for the way it runs on those systems. The problem is not the aging hardware, it's that the game was rushed out before it was ready. Please stop giving companies like CDPR a free pass on stuff like this. It only encourages them to keep pulling these kinds of stunts.

[@MrZodiac011]

Well RDR2 runs and looks better than Cyberpunk on there and it's a heavy game on PC so that's an achievement. CDPR spent just as much time, but the problem is CDPR is not only gross to look at and runs bad on current gen, it also has a ton of bugs and is missing basic details like being able to shoot out car tires and has extremely basic PS2 style ragdoll physics

[@khazms]

@@MrKilljay That's one argument, but at the same time, people are complaining about how the graphics look while comparing it to the PS5 or PC. The only thing there's "no excuse" for is how the game crashes often or game breaking bugs. Just bugs in general or inconvenient bugs are "fine", in my opinion. It wasn't ready and it's to be expected at launch with any big game. Even GTA5 was pretty much the same at launch in terms of bugs/glitches. I think CDPR will do a good job fixing the bugs after a few months time. It's the holidays, they probably gave their employees a break. Stop freaking out about it. Give it time.

[@MrKilljay]

​@@khazms Dude, no. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Game companies have conditioned us to think it's okay for games to release as broken messes. Imagine this happening in any other industry. Imagine going to see a movie that releases in which the CG is only half complete and everyone says to wait in 6 months for a finished version of the movie. That would be ridiculous, right? So why is it okay in the gaming industry? If the game needs another 6 months of development, then it should release 6 month later when it is COMPLETE. Sure the base consoles aren't going to have the best graphics in the world, that's fine. But there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THE GAME TO BE RUNNING AT 15 FPS WHILE LOOKING LIKE AN XBOX 360/ PS3 GAME. PERIOD. If it's gonna run that badly, CDPR should've just cancelled it, like when Dying Light was cancelled for 7th gen consoles. Please stop accepting this crap from companies. They are only going to cut this crap out if we no longer tolerate it, so please, stop tolerating it.

[@khazms]

@@MrKilljay They haven't conditioned anything. It's to be expected that a game like this will come with poor optimization and bugs at launch. The game is being ported to the last gen consoles. The final product wasn't made for it. I find, ported games often are shit until better optimization patches are dropped. It doesn't help that investors at CDPR wanted the game out quicker, plus were getting death threats. Especially with a pandemic and holidays, they probably couldn't achieve what they wanted in time. It's completely understandable. I will tolerate it because I can wait to play it in a patch or two, which may or may not take a month or two.

[@TACO-YAKI]

For the disk upgrade thing with the PS5, they did the same thing when i had COD Ghost. Had to put in the disk for PS3 and put it in the PS4 just for it to work.

[@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep]

no no no, I'll TELL YOU why, I mean, NO RGB. Not even 2 GB's of RGB.

[@clastastic]

I have a question. What is the budget you think someone should have if they want to game with at least 1080p low for five years from now?

[@RaoufHaouariOfficial]

Rtx 2060 super + ryzen 7 3700x

[@jimmayorga1863]

The 1080 TI would play next gen games at 1080p at high to ultra detail such as Watchdogs Legion, Cyberpunk 2077, Godfall or AC Valhalla. So basically you would need the top of the top to do that for that long without worrying to make small tweaks in setting.

[@clastastic]

@@RaoufHaouariOfficial I was planning on 3600/5600+3050/3060. I wish I can get it at reasonable price... equivalent performance would cost 1300$ in my country

[@clastastic]

@@jimmayorga1863 well 1080Ti came out in 2017 so it's been 3 years since it came out and it can do high really well right now. The 1080 was released 2016 and can do 1080p High well too. that means in 1/2 years they will be 1080p medium cards. But the system in question here will perform 1080p low 40fps in 5/6 years in the most demanding of games. What do you now think is the best option ?

[@steveqi9309]

Clas Tastic if you want to do that the 150 USD to 250 USD card of the 3000 series or 6000 series should be good

[@CristuelCasto]

PC hardware is such a rip-off honestly. I spent a little under $1000 for a PC that had a 2600x and...a 1050 Ti. Granted, that build was meant for image editing, but I ended up upgrading the cpu to a 2700x, which cost me $180, and an additional $160 for a 1TB WD Black NVMe drive because yes, before I upgraded, it had an old mechanical drive for nearly two years. PC building is such a bottomless money pit. I must have spent more than $1500 for components that basically are not even the most up-to-date ones, with some underperforming, because I lost at the silicon lottery so my CPU won't even boost past 4ghz.

[@ludapecurka102]

Did you forget that there are low settings? I7 3770 and 1070 will last you quite some time even they are years old If you are willing to play on lower settings You dont NEED to play on ultra

[@joebones1]

True! I stick to medium usually so long as I can hit 60. Running a 4790k and rx 480 8gb

[@ludapecurka102]

@@joebones1 indeed My brother has an 570 budget card thats 3 years old High settings are still possible Couple of more years out od it for low settings definetely I dont like how this guy is in a way gate keeping

[@masterlee1988]

@@ludapecurka102 High settings is what I usually play on for modern games, and sometimes Medium(mostly for multiplayer games). I rarely play on Ultra since the visual difference between Ultra and High is minimal while Ultra isn't worth the performance loss(if anything it's more future proof for newer hardware).

[@joebones1]

@@ludapecurka102 I think he just wants to make sure people have a "good experience". I know how to mess with settings so I can get it to my liking but that's the beauty of gaming!

[@printicewhite]

What do you think of an ryzen 1700 in 2021?

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62]

the developers did a terrible job matching the game with consoles in general and there's no way to fix it because most games don't have detail settings at all.

[@daltonprescott5430]

Its like comparing phone hardware with pc hardware. But ultimately to push the maximum graphics quality, only PC's have the potential firepower, BUT for the average gaming pc, it will probably be close to a console in terms of the quality you can get.

[@ZackSNetwork]

No it’s not ARM architecture that is low powered to X86 PC’s.

[@spenceranderson4563]

@@ZackSNetwork Pc's aren't ARM until 2022 ;)

[@brady1601]

What graphics detail does ps5 run at overall? Medium?

[@mrhappy8966]

I'm sitting here remembering how they ported the ps1 game resident evil 2 onto n64 cart with fmvs.... these devs are just lazy and it shows

[@FriskyDingo329]

Agreed

They've been working 6 days a week. Maybe they're overworked with not enough employees vs being lazy. Kinda a shtty thing to say to call people lazy when you don't see them working.

[@mrhappy8966]

@ I'm specifically talking in regards to optimization we have insanely powerful machines these days things can always run better.....

[@colinphelan5381]

Love the format of these videos

[@crustytp2185]

Can we all agree that this is the cutest couple on the internet?

[@kevinfromsales6842]

Absolutely.

[@darkobladez4643]

Try building a pc as powerful as a Ps5 for $500

[@InsideOutInkDemon]

@@superbros1690 won? thats like wearing grey sweat pants and t-shirt, then telling the guy in the expensive suit you won because you spent less. Not that cost isn't a factor, but if it was the only factor we'd all be in grey sweats

[@johnchristianson515]

The consoles are just streamlined bare bones PC's, the main advantage to a console is standardized spec. With consoles having 8 cores even if not hyperthreaded, 16gb ram, and 8gb graphics new games are going to be designed around having at least that much resources available.

[@vannghog7087]

i have a question... can you play those new games in mid to low quality effects?

[@vannghog7087]

@Jason thanks for the info 👍🏻

[@vannghog7087]

@Jason but i guess you can do some tweaks to the graphic and can hit more than 60fps that would be enough

[@raizowanderer]

for 1080p gaming is r5 3600 and rtx 3060 ti with 32gb ram going to hold up in the future?

[@adrian0goncalves]

I'd say so, for about 2 years

[@saricubra2867]

How is your CPU bottleneck or there is none with that GPU?

[@saricubra2867]

It depends, XBOX and Playstation are basically dumbed down PCs. The Switch meanwhile is a very powerful phone tablet.

[@jordangogov5866]

And it's downclocked over 50% from the original Tegra X1 SoC Nvidia made for there Shield TV, so if you mod it and overclock it you get good boost in performance and about the near 10 year old consoles and there owners who paid 400$ back in 2013-2014 or whatever it was and want the next gen huge games to run perfect are crazy, my trash PC at least for current standards has GPU which costed 650$ in 2015 (980ti) and last last gen 8 core ryzen runs this game from HDD like total garbage on 1440p ultra low even with 60% resolution scaling(which is less than 1080p), the footage shown in the video of that console running the game is representation of what 5 year own 1500$ PC runs like.... and people want 2013 low spec living room PC (console) to run it 720p/1080p with good graphics and over 30fps.... I don't know who to blame 5G for washing people's mind or C19 for eating it from the inside to thing 400 buck 10 years ago will give amazing gameplay in game which is made in 2077 that's like 56 years from now in the future

[@saricubra2867]

@@jordangogov5866 The Switch can run Crysis remastered with SVOGI at 30fps. (cheating with dynamic resolution). At high settings, even a 3090 running that thing with all the the raytracing features and other effects can barely be above 40fps, GPU and CPU bottleneck at the same time. About Cyberpunk 2077, i really don't care since the game is rushed for many platforms, even on PC, personally speaking, i rather have Doom Eternal as a benchmark for perfomance since ID Software makes very good and well optimized game engines since 1991.

[@jordangogov5866]

@@saricubra2867 I am updating my 2077 just to play it better and see what the hype was all about, the game looks fine and runs like garbage, the story is interesting but yes it was rushed and they can probably re-released it in 1-2 years the proper way cuz little fixes hear and there are not going to cut it

[@BenL0nd0n]

I don't know why you keep saying you need 8- or 12-core for AAA games. I've got the 5600X 6-core and it's more than enough for Cyberpunk. You're more likely GPU bound in that sort of game anyway.

[@AlesMicik]

Well I bought new PC on December and from 5600x I went to 5800x and from 16gb ram to 32, full ssd and when they will be released and in stock I'm gonna replace my 3070 for maybe 3070TI just to future proof

[@Kizarat]

What is your opinion on the future games that will start being built with Unreal Engine 5? Will those be even more demanding?

[@TechNewsNetwork]

Did you not watch Rogue's video on this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3amq6VjqJJleaM

[@ByteSizeTech]

Did you not watch Rogue's video on this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3amq6VjqJJleaM

[@Kizarat]

@@ByteSizeTech I didn't notice that you have another channel, thanks.

[@jackdavis4777]

what about a 3070 and a 5600x at 1440p 165hz?

[@ZackSNetwork]

I disagree consoles have even in the past had some forms of parts found in PC’s. The next generation consoles literally have the exact same GPU and CPU architecture as consumer PC’s. Tech KZbinrs like Digital Foundry even do tech breakdowns and can give ballpark performances to give a PC equivalent in real world performance. This is misleading people into thinking that consoles are not limited by their hardware because of console optimization. The next generation consoles are basically equivalent to a RTX 2080 paired with a 3700x, 16gbs of DDR4 ram and a fast NVMe SSD. PC and Consoles are different yet they can still be compared to each other more than ever before.

[@godemperormeow8591]

I don't mind lower resolution to play my games. I cannot do anything to physically add more VRAM. I cannot do anything to physically add more cores.

[@chris_topher1984]

is an i7 9750h with 16gb ram and an rtx 2060 better than consoles? what about i7 10750h with 16gb ram and rtx 2060? i have those two laptops but have only gamed on the 9750h. i was a little disappointed i couldn't fully max out red dead 2.

[@Bendigo1]

It is better than some older consoles but not the newest ones. Don't feel too bad, running Rdr2 maxed out is not easy even on the highest spec pcs.

[@idonotmakedonationsgogetaj4587]

Actually some games on console do have details setting.

[@alanx216]

Is someone gonna save Rogue? She needs to be freed from that basement

[@rpospeedwagon]

She talks much more on the stream. A lot more.

[@PhillipLemmon]

I've got a 2c/2th laptop..... And NO money Think about how I feel! Lol

[@grounddominator5590]

I use 1c/1th now think how i feel...

[@AndrewBukowski]

@@grounddominator5590 how laggy is it when you get a notification

[@arturotrevino8524]

I usually like your videos, but lately there is a trend, only overpowering the need to buy 64 GB of ram, and 3080 for cyberpunk 4K ultra details with ray tracing and so on... I think everyone knows that if you want the best of the best, you need to buy the most expensive piece of hardware, no need to argue that or to explain it, but there is the average, or more casual pc gamer who plays 1080p with optimal settings for 60 FPS in a 1660 ti with 32 GB of ram, it is a total nonsense to buy a ryzen 9 and pair it to my 1660 ti, and it is very easy to say, “buy the best chip, buy a rtx 3080, buy 64 GB” maybe, as suggestion, you can talk more about “optimal settings” how to take advantage from a six core chip, how to set graphics on a 1660, which programs eat a lot of ram, a more informative hardware performance or an educational about an upgrade path to your pc. Hope you read my comment and looking forward to your next video.

[@mrhappy8966]

exactly... i have ryzen 3600 32gbs ram and a rtx 3070 and i game on a 32inch 1080p 165 hz screen i play a lot cod and high fps is king but enjoy all the newest aaas

[@KEYBEATZ]

Also of note Video game consoles are designed for running games as their soul purpose. It's a similar concept to arcade boards. (Which were designed to run the like game or games designed for that system board.) Gaming PCs do a host more than run a game.

[@MIGHTYANDYMAN]

@ Byte Size Tech 64 GB OF RAM seriously, do you have shares in it ?, All in all: the only reason for me to have 64GB RAM in my PC is if I’m playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare at 4K resolution, processing a 4K video I edited, of a Hollywood-level CGI scene I created, and running a dozen virtual machines to test an industrial-scale app I developed …all at the same time.

[@nathangamble125]

You can compare anything to anything else. When anyone says that any two things "can't be compared", especially when those things are similar in very obvious ways, I doubt that they know what the word "compare" means.

[@theunknowndroid9382]

11:59 - 12:07 i thought my video paused lol

[@Xilent1]

Games are made on PC first even for consoles. I use to be a console guy until a PC guy explained it to me. Changed my gaming life. Been telling people, once you buy a console, games and then a 4k tv etc. etc. One could have built a high end PC. BUT as stated and known, good luck finding what you really want. Although, the same can be said about consoles all for now.

[@KTSpeedruns]

When it comes to consoles and PCs, it used to be that they were wildly different. Consoles had highly specialized hardware. It wasnt as simple as a processing chip, a graphics chip, and some Ram. Consoles would often have many different chips with very specific duties. Consoles now a days are very closely related to PCs given that some use x86 processors with a special graphics chipset that is not available on the market. But it’s still a foolish choice to think they are even remotely close to 1:1 comparisons. Developers don’t just export for PC then check a box to export for consoles. It takes separate testing and separate efforts to make a console version. The assets for PC games have to be tuned t be playable on unfathomable combinations of hardware. Console version is 1 console, 1 (maybe 2) variations for that one console brand.

[@rickylonghaul682]

I'll give you a plausible scenario where you could buy new parts that are really cheap and get away with it. Now, this is a pretty special use case so obviously I'm not recommending it for everyone, but I've been thinking about this lately because I'm preparing to move somewhere where I live off the grid and provide my own electricity. As PC parts get more powerful, the lower end parts also get more power efficient...I'm very excited about the idea of putting together something like an athlon 3000g build with nothing else in it and being able to play games from maybe 5 years ago and older while drawing less than 70 Watts under peak usage. But that being said, I don't expect to play anything new whatsoever. I won't have internet, so I can only go with games that will launch without it, which these days is becoming more and more rare. So there you go. But that's just about the only scenario I can think about that really justifies super low end new hardware... Staying forever limited to old games if you're cool with that... And saving a ton on electricity in the process. The average person doesn't really need to take in account electrical efficiency.

[@AG-bp3ll]

The truth of modern PS5 and Series X games running at 4K 60 is most are using variable resolution. They can drop to 1440 to keep that 60fps. I wish more PC games had this variable resolution option to maintain frame rates.

[@SkyBluesSteve]

I've watched a few of this channel's clips now and in all of them he just says the same thing: buy more expensive parts to get more performance. Yes, everyone knows that. Why is this the direction you turn every question into this dumb argument?

[@bluemojos]

I agree that when you build/buy a new PC for gaming, you would want to play new games coming out in the next 2 years.

[@bigboulder]

Exactly the machine i iwanna build ryzen 9 5950 x with 64 gb ddr 4 4000 ram and a 3080ti. I think its also important to get a nvme with 7gb/s per second for the rtx io and direct storage heavy games in a few years. So 980 pro for me..sadly there is no 2 tb model out right now.

[@ayodejiosidele3877]

i have a 2070 super mini and ryzen 7 2700x definently upgrading the ram to 64 some may say its overkill but ive noticed the higher ram does make a difference in multitasking especially with multiple 1440p monitors

[@One21441]

so much misinformation here about the consoles !! 1st of all Cyberpunk 2077 isn't the best example on last gen consoles performance because the game is poorly optimized & it suffers from so many bugs & glitches even on the high end PCs . Secondly as we reach the midlife cycle to later on near the end for the new generation of consoles we gonna witness the best most impressive looking games ever on consoles hardware , just look @ how impressive RDR2 , God Of War , TLOU2 , Ghost Of Tsushima , Death Stranding , FF VII Remake , Uncharted 4 etc.. on the base PS4 & compare them to 2013 , 2014 , 2015 releases in terms of graphics Cyberpunk 2077 isn't the best example to justify building a $1000 PC or more just to have similar specs to the PS5 . look at Spider-Man Remastered and Spider-Man Miles Morales with RT & 60fps they both run with dynamic res & stays @ 1440p or close to it most of the time or take a look @ Godfall which is a technical showcase on the PS5 " i know that it's also on PC " , or Demon's Souls which is imo the best looking game ever created even compared to the best looking games on PC & it runs @ smooth perfect 60 fps . this is a PC centric channel & PCs do 100 times more stuff than consoles but @ the end when it comes to purely gaming these new consoles are really impressive & things will only get better & devs will continue to learn how harness & how to get the most out of these new consoles & to reach the full potential for these new consoles . thanks for the great content & discussions .

[@jahelton246]

Exactly

[@MoneyMaking861]

He's talking out of his ass get a r9 5900x for gaming lol def a waste of money if all u do is game

[@shivaahuja7616]

So a rtx 3060ti + i5 10400f ? Perform worse than ps5 in cyberpunk 2077?

[@hansbehrends438]

Not worse. But this combo is definitely 1080p in this title

[@shivaahuja7616]

@@hansbehrends438 better than ps5 ? I am searching whole internet i didnt found the answer because on 4k native + dlss ultra performance its giving solid 60 fps the 3060ti while ps5 running game in 1200p

[@jaalm4711]

@@shivaahuja7616 Ps5 run the game on Ps4 settings which is low and even lower than Pc low. The game performs poorly even on Ps5 so stop convince yourself that the game performs good just because of 60fps and low res. There is an update verion for next gen I know about that crap but until it happened the only good place to run Cyberpunk is to play it on decent Pc .

[@ZackSNetwork]

The 3060ti is a faster GPU than what is in the PS5.

[@hansbehrends438]

@@ZackSNetwork there's 40 CU RDNA2 GPU at 1800MHz in the series X, and 36 CU GPU at a slightly higher clock in the PS5. A Radeon 6800 has 60 CU. The consoles are definitely not weak, there's a lot that can be done in games with these specs.

[@ntech1507]

hello. tech so should i buy a nvme ssd for or regular ssd for my games. because no i have a 2tb hardrive but aslo a crucial p2 500gb for my boot drive. reason i didn't buy to ssds is because 2tb ssds are not cheap and i didn't know if i should buy gen 3 or gen 4 ssd i do have a b550 tomahawk motherboard

[@Roman00744]

Well I have to disagree somewhat, you still can play new games on budget and old PC, just need to play at 1080p and compromise a lot on the details.

[@TheHalfmanofOz]

Yep. If people stick with 1080p the pressure to continually upgrade virtually disappears. GPU features like image sharpening help too.

[@hansbehrends438]

I can confirm. Consistent and low frame times at 1440p is an expensive hobby, and worse yet, holding onto it causes you to continually spend big bucks every 2 or 3 years if you skip a generation

[@hansbehrends438]

@@rahulpandey9472 This is at 1080p. 4GB of VRAM is not going to age well going into 2021, but it holds up okay for now.

[@Roman00744]

@@rahulpandey9472 Haha that's exactly why I left my comment, my 970 died recently and a friend gave me his old 960 that he replaced with a 1080ti a few years ago and even the 960 2GB is able to run CP77 at 1080p, low everything, 30+ smooth and playable FPS but that's probably because the rest of my PC is not budget that's why I only somewhat disagree. i9900k, 32GB 3200cl16, installed on a fast nvme.

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

I wonder if the 40series or 7000series will release before I can buy anything from this generation. I'm not even sure anymore

[@harryofficial3743]

Guys jst put the grapgics setings of the ps5 to pc to do that watch digital foundrys videos they show exactly which settnings the console use and at lst the also show performance of many different cards on that settings vs the ps5 and the results are pretty matching some settings will not be available for pc like dynamic resolution but thats about it

[@Joreel]

I was actually saddened to see how bad the PS4 And Xbox One versions looked. I don't understand how they thought those were okay to release.

[@samuelm5140]

11:20 I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a CP 2077 PS4 disc game to ONLY be compatible with a disc-version of the PS5. Otherwise people would just buy the PS4 disc, claim the PS5 digital version, and then sell the PS4 disc while retaining their PS5 digital copy of the game.

[@MrEliwankenobi]

I feel I have to agree... a 3900x and 5900x ... we should look at them as the new “sandy/ivy bridges” of this age of PC gaming. In the sense that these CPUs will last you a long time the same way sandy/ivy bridge did. Of course they wouldn’t outperform a 7700k when new, they would still get you there... that’s how I feel about today’s CPUs. In terms of GPUs... as RayTracing keeps getting bigger and bigger..not even RTX 30 are going to be viable options some years from now, the same way the 1080ti was such a good buy back in the day

[@williambreeze2659]

Thanks for the video.

[@timothyweston3601]

Tech: Don't build a 3 year old computer today. Me: Looking at my 4 year old PC I built in March....

[@MoneyMaking861]

I'm sure it's fine and plays games at medium setting that still looks decent

[@ZackSNetwork]

I agree with budget PC’s and console killers being dead. If you can’t build a mid range or high end PC it’s no longer worth it. You will spend a lot more money and get less performance on a budget PC compared to the new consoles.

[@TheDevtubes]

In the next generation of GPUs you could buy a 700-800 dollar pc which would destroy the consoles and come in only a year or two. This generation around consoles are gonna age very bad and get defeated by PC's. Here's why. In the PS4 era only a 1500 dollar pc with a 780ti could beat the PS4 but now a console gets beaten by a 1000 dollar pc so that's that.

[@midnightshade32]

Going to go against this as you don't need to go 4k. My 144hz 1080p 27in monitor is newish and my 1080p TV is fine. Not replacing perfectly good monitors during questionable times. Being thankful for what I have. That being said I was able to build a ryzen 3600, Asus b550 prime mobo w/wifi6, 16gb ddr4 3600mhz, geforce 2060rtx SC ultra, 700watt evga psu, thermaltake h18 versa and a 6 fan argb kit, 1 512 M.2 ssd (970 Evo), 1 sp sata ssd and 2tb hhd that I pulled from other pc. Cost $850. Couole that with evga step up where I can get a 3060ti for $80 when I am called in queue. Also got a logitech mechanical g513 and g502 combo for $90. Under 1 grand getting 90 to 100fps in Cyberpunk with rtx off and 30 to 65fps with rtx settings max. Every other game rund over 60fps.

[@ericjohns5392]

Tech channels must STOP using Cyberpunk 2077 as any kind of PC benchmark. It is an absolute unoptimized mess of a game and benchmarks with it do not mean a lot. Tech is like my neighbor, and I mean this in a funny, good way. My neighbor sees me building a fence or anything. "I wouldn't use nails for that, screws, lots of them". "Next time you wash your car I'd use a commercial grade carwash, not that Walmart stuff". "If you're flying anywhere I'd go first class, it's the only way I'd fly". :)

[@delta6deltaDG]

I'm lucky, I bought a new pc from Origin with a 5900X, 6800XT, 64 gigs DDR4 3200 ram, two 980 Pro 1tb PCIE NVME M.2, Corsair 1200 watt Platinum, Asus X 570 ROK Crosshair VIII Hero WIFI, Ms windows 10 Pro, Corsair 360 H150i Pro XT and Genesis case. Been playing on it for two weeks and wow it's fast and smooth.

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

I would rather have bought from scalpers. Would have been cheaper looking at origins prices. Most overpriced computers I've ever seen. They are good though! Just super overpriced.

[@delta6deltaDG]

@@OutOfNameIdeas2 Yep, expensive as all hell, but done right. I know they are not for everyone, I'm just lucky to be able to afford one.

[@afxquest6167]

I mean the ps4 played games for 7 years and they become better year by year the value is crazy so the ps5 maybe will play games on 1440 p 60 for 5 years then it’s going to less than 1440p on 60 FPS and it wil stay native 4K on 30 FPS with ray tracing

[@darrenwindham4457]

Advice : Current setup R5 5600x, AORUS PRO AC B550, 32gb DDR4 3600, RTX 3070FE. I managed to snag an R9 5950X at msrp which seems like overkill. Keep the cpu or try and trade sell for a 3080 or the 3080ti. Game on 32" 1440 144hz display

[@shlomomolokandov7270]

This channel deserves more than 10m subs and a very good view count. Basically, more attention

[@kennethd4958]

I run Cyberpunk on a 3600x and 5600XT at high/medium at 1440p with 60fps capped. It looks amazing (to me anyways) and runs great.

[@Haddley333]

The new consoles already downscale to 1440p for aaa games when you select performance mode to achieve 60fps so they’re not that impressive IMO

[@starwarser007]

They are for their price, but that's it. It also will play all games for the next 7 years. That's something PCs can't do.

[@valodia1991]

@@starwarser007 yes they can if you play at the same low settings and low fps as consoles

[@Haddley333]

@@starwarser007 yeah console lasts 7 years and plays as well as cyberpunk on ps4 lol

[@hugoanderkivi]

@@valodia1991 How is 60 fps low and next-gen consoles have near ultra settings. Just look at Valhalla, elitist.

[@valodia1991]

@@hugoanderkivi ac valhalla has just been released, i am referring to the comment about playing games for 7 years, I am no elitist, I only have an i5 6500 paired with a 1060 6gb lol

[@joshtheking1772]

...and textures, shadows and mechanics are also handled server side vs being done at the gpu/cpu. Consoles are Ram machines thats because they load on the fly over connections vs being done at the hardware on a PC.

[@darthphantomius411]

Instead of moving the goal posts so quickly.. why don't the Devs just focus on PERFORMANCE FIRST, then visuals.. 60fps or DEATH ought to be a standard on just $200-$300 cards at 1080p High Details... Same for consoles, all games should do 60 fucking fps..

[@darkkingastos4369]

Ps5 and series x games will look good for about 5 years because of the optimization.

[@laserspewpew_7175]

True PS4 still had good looking games (in most people’s eyes) God of War for example looked great considering the hardware

[@PhoonigaN]

TBH if it wasnt for Esports games that run at high fps( CSGO,Dota 2, Overwatch, Valorant, R6S) Pc gaming would be dead in the water. everyone would just play on console...

[@das4014]

Good point. Pc gaming all about fps. But consoles also have their own exclusives. That's one more drawback compared to pc gaming. Also no piracy.

[@eggrollz5481]

Looking for World of Warcraft on a console.

[@mikekrebs5598]

I've had a lot of experience with this recently as I moved from Xbox to a gaming PC earlier this year, and for all the games that I've tried on both there just isn't a comparison: far better textures, lighting, framerates, load times etc.

[@Mizra-dq3lj]

Cheaper game prices!

[@ElladanKenet]

Don't remember if I already posted here, but more thoughts: Cyberpunk, in hindsight, is a poorly optimized game. It needed a few months more work to smooth out wrinkles and optimize the graphics and get rid of bugs. It's also a very thirsty game, requiring stupidly high specs to run at the highest settings; specs so high, you HAVE to get a next gen console or a high end computer to appreciate it fully. Only a R9 3900/5900X, RTX 3090, and 32+ g of RAM with DLSS and Ray tracing on is going to handle it at max settings, and even then most benchmarks don't have a 60fps average. In two or three years, newer MBs, ram, and GPUs will all be available. 3090 specs will be available on the 4070, ram will be ddr5 and much faster, and more people will be able to play this game as intended. This really is the Crysis of today (Crysis is a game from about 13 years ago that had similarly high spec requirements).

[@MrZodiac011]

I only get annoyed when a game can run fine on a console but requires a powerful PC. Red Dead 2 was heavy on the GPU and my 1070 only ran at just above console performance with the same visuals despite it being about 3x faster than what the base PS4's GPU is supposed to be. Even a bad PC port can usually be better than a console port though and bad ports in general affect both sides. Some games like Mafia 3 were bad everywhere

[@mcmoose64]

You can take the girl out of Oz but you can't take the Oz out of the girl 🤣.

[@tearsoflight]

I'd call console locked optimized settings.... vs pc is fully unlocked to a degree. - I'm running cyberpunk on a hdd it's not bad fallout 76 has much more issues... I feel like the one thing they optimized with pc is that ppl with older computers could play it... my fps are low but it's so smooth.... smoothest new age game i've played in years.... I'll have to update you when I get my black friday parts installed with a ssd nvme evo plus.

[@marcolopez5042]

Graphics for cyberpunk at 30 FPS looks like 80’s graphics

[@ronysentiko5252]

May I say the answer for all question is... Money? Ups

[@AgentNibbles]

4:52 my friend ran Cyberpunk with medium to to high settings at 1440p with the only setting on ultra being ray tracing and he still got over 70FPS on an RTX 2060S so that comment is not true at all.

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

I wish I could see how many people disliked this video since you just clowned on the new consoles everyone wants. 🤣😂 I love it!!!

[@ByteSizeTech]

Would you be shocked that I don’t really look at the likes and dislikes? People use the dislike button for “disagree”

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

@@ByteSizeTech yes that is the purpose for that. I just would have liked to see how many folks were rubbed the wrong way because you both are bashing the new consoles for them having outdated tech. It may not be very many because the primary audience is probably PC gamers and enthusiasts.

[@W1NTERMELON]

Even my 1000usd pc (R5 3600 RTX 3060) cant compete with PS5 when purely gaming, just forced to buy pc because of its versatility

[@MoneyMaking861]

Not True at all. You can still play new games on mid tier hardware with balanced setting, KZbin money is getting you. Not all of us have $3000 on a gaming PC. I have a Rx 5700 XT and Ryzen 3600 and I game at 1440p and I'm fine other then Cyber punk but it still runs at 50-60 fps at 1440p and looks quite good.

[@hixym]

explain this to all the ppl who gave cyberpunk a 0 on metacritic..

[@ethanbradley2796]

Not true i just got into pc gaming around 6 months before this video started. Gotta realize for one those of us on a budget dont give a damn about 1440 so its 1080p ftw and so my i5 9600k and 1050ti would play anything i was throwing at it and once i upgraded to a 1660super like i should have from the start i was able to even run cyberpunk stable and steady, yeah on mostly low but still. Right now because of the market im still on he 1660super but i have upgraded to an i9 9900k on a decent gigabyte aorus mobo and that cpu is now 2 generations behind and even with that underpowered defintly budget gpu i got I am still able to play everything I want and it runs smooth and for most stuff i can even run it on high. Sure i definty want to upgrade my gpu to at east something as powerful as a 3060 but not for the price right now thats just crazy.