DON'T Build An Unbalanced PC

[@FaZeredemption3]

There was a guy on reddit who just baught a 800$ rtx 3080 ftw3 ultra, and put it on the 5800x. I said that he should have gotten the 5900x, because its a vetter value, and less money per core than the 5800x. So many people on reddit say "oh games wont use even 8 cores, 8 is enough", to which my reply is that your computer does much more than gaming, and that extra cpu is very good for background tasks, video editing/streaming/recording etc. I think your nuts if you can spen 1300$ on a gpu and cpu, and not spent 22% more (cpu to cpu) or 8-9% more overall (gpu+cpu) to get 50% more cpu. I dont get why the 5800, exists. Its the worst value per core of any the zen 3 chips. Either get the 6 core, or step up to 12. If you can afford 450, you can affor 550 for 50% more cpu. I dont understand what people dont get about this.

[@bryce6985]

Or maybe some people live within their means and have to make trade-offs about what they pour their money into? 8 cores + is still vapourware as far as im concerned for pure gaming. Sure it will change in time, but overspending by 30% to 'maybe' see an improvement in 2-3 years time is not an attractive proposition.

[@FaZeredemption3]

@@bryce6985 ok, if 100$ breaks you for your build, you have no business shopping for a 450$ cpu.

[@bryce6985]

@@FaZeredemption3 Yeah well i dont have business throwing my money away so i can flex. I bought a 5600x and im going to put it with a 6800 @1440p. You gotta know when to draw the line, because otherwise your budget will keep blowing further out. Moreover, by the time the extra cores are meaningful the processor will be outdone by mid-tier offerings just like the 3950x gets destroyed by the 5600x in gaming. It isnt smart, you are paying a huge premium to get ostencibly the exact same performance on the basis that you 'might' get an extra 10 fps in five years time. If that guy you mentioned kept the same budget, he would have to considerably downgrade his GPU to be able to afford a better processor. It makes zero sense! Completely different ball park if you need the multi-threaded performance in apps where it actually makes a difference today, but otherwise you are just paying for something you wont even notice.

[@FaZeredemption3]

The cpu is good for more than just gaming. What if you want to stream? What if you want to get into video editing? At the end of the day the 5900x is a better value price per core than any other zen 3 processor

[@bryce6985]

@@FaZeredemption3 Yes but price per core doesnt mean anything if that doesnt convert into relevant performance. Your 'what if' part is important - when picking your parts. You really need to know your use case. If you are just planning on gaming, you will be fine on a 6 core. If you need the multithreaded performance then yes you are right you would be wise to stretch to a 5900x, although the 5800x still provides a very happy medium between gaming and light multithreaded workloads. My point really is that its always bad form to make decisions on abstract possibilities, and this approach almost always will result in throwing good money after bad. The two most important things which will ward-off buyers remorse is being honest about what you are willing to spend, and sticking with that within a margin, and identifying what you are really looking for performance wise. Constant changing of the goal posts does not lend itself to making well thought out decisions.

[@curtisg8399]

Hey tech I really appreciate your advice and have taken it to heart and decided to pair my new rog strix 3090 with a Ryzen 3 3100

[@Flynn....]

Lol

[@Edario]

Yeah, you could someday decided to swap a new motherboard and higher cpu lol

[@Erbilforever]

Great choice, enjoy

[@energygameplay6513]

Ryzen 3 willbottelneck rtx 3090

[@afxquest6167]

@@energygameplay6513 dude it’s a joke

[@MiDaY_i]

"6-Cores is not the future"... " Me watching from my 2-Core PC":*Sad Stuck In The Past Noises*

[@ChazEvansdale]

Obviously 2 core is the future, not 6! 1 core just for gaming 1 core for everything else Win/Win!

[@maxieatsnoodles]

i bought my i7 3770 this year. KJHASD

[@hiru92]

me on 4 cores ...

[@nateo200]

In the same boat as you. Except when I get out of bed and go to my 3900X based machine :D

[@xenius7770]

You're not alone

[@big5fgd]

Total cost of ownership, true. But if your PC breaks down now (in my case exploded burning the CPU and MB), in this period, and you desperately need a new PC for work, my budget was not limited, but in my region , the 8 core 3800 is $700, 3900XT is $820. I seriously bought a Ryzen 5 3600XT for $250 and I will get the 5900x later in 2 years. I simply cannot justify 820$ when I am coding for work and playing indie games in my spare time. Your advice is amazing based on the prices of your country. I wish I was born in Texas, but for me , an $820 processor is breaking any common sense.

[@staryoke]

LOL! Then I guess you wont like that I spent $1600 on a Xeon 10-core cpu last week for my home computer!

[@Matruchus]

Same problem here. A 5800x costs 503€ which is cca. 600$. I can not justify so much for a 8 core cpu. 5900x costs 700€ which is 829$. Non of the Ryzens are available at MSRP in Europe. Sellers are putting 50€ (60$)- 150€ (178$) markups on them.

[@termintot4645]

@@Matruchus Bought a 5900X yesterday in Czech Republic, it was 600 Euro, ofc not MSRP. But the way I see it, what price is released in USA I transform that in EUR and add 50 :)

[@Matruchus]

@@termintot4645 The prices are already going up. Yesterday the 5600x was 335€ in Slovenia now its selling for 355€. Its insane. I can get a 3700x for 335€. Pricing makes zero sense.

[@termintot4645]

@@Matruchus Well what you expect, 3070 is better then 2080TI, but the price of 2080TI is still 1200 Euros. So a new product doesnt invalidate the previous one, which I agree doesnt make any sense, price wise

[@sajandeepsingh9247]

Man this dude just hates 6 core😂😂

[@teknastyk]

and to think im just drooling to do my 5600x build while waiting for allready somewhat outdated components makes me kind of anxious :D

[@sajandeepsingh9247]

@@teknastyk but kinda agree with him. 3600 is not really bad when compared to 5600x

[@WarpPal]

he hates OVERPRICED 6 cores compared to 8 for the same price. especially when games and app are designed to take advantage of higher threads over higher IPC.

[@wulfstein1]

This dude loves speaking in generalities lol. Depending on your use case 6 cores is more than enough. This dude thinks that everyone is video editing in the background while playing Total War or something.

[@sajandeepsingh9247]

@@wulfstein1 yea but he makes some good points.

[@markharrison2484]

I like these byte sized snippets. I don’t have time for 4 hr live-streams.

[@_TheElMan]

I love his expression when he dies inside, makes me laugh everytime. Rogue's face says it all haha

[@ssjenforcer191191191]

She said it so fast I had to rewind twice, and then I too smiled when he said "wait..."

[@ChazEvansdale]

Same!

[@amanda.collaud]

I love her too^^ without her remarks the show would not be that entertaining.

[@kathleendelcourt8136]

If you're only gaming it makes sense to spend more on the GPU than the CPU. Especially if said 6c/12t CPU beats the current 8c/16t. From a gaming perspective you'll get more out of a 5600X + a $600 GPU than a 5900X with a $300 or a 5800X with a $500-450 GPU. Not everyone is a streamer or a youtuber, and even so the 5600X is almost on the same level as a 3700X for video editing, which isn't bad at all!

[@jorisv207]

These youtubers just want to scam you out of your money, a 6 core is more than enough for gamers

[@josef_fritzl]

@@jorisv207 Agree, byte size tech is full of shit.

[@StgVirus1]

6 cores isn't the future. That's the point

[@Rayer24]

@@jorisv207 are you living in lala land?

[@jorisv207]

@@Rayer24 ??

[@4horsemenoftheapocalypse58]

I'll be lucky if I can build a PC at all with all these shortages going around

[@BTDDrewBTDwithDREW]

build used. Its pretty dang good market rn.

[@dfsafadsDW]

Shouldn't be tooo bad you might just have to wait a bit

[@OlettaLiano]

There are shortages with nearly every launches. Wait a few months and supply lines will open up as demand declines.

[@raijin2950]

Oletta Liano is right, stock shortages are normal initially. Usually supply catches up with demand within a couple of months. I took me about a month after launch to get a GTX 1080. Hopefully AMD will be able to resupply stock weekly. Ampere is an exception, new cards are trickling out very slowly. Nvidia must be having trouble fabricating new chips, either the GPUs themselves or the GDDR6X RAM.

[@honglin4276]

@@BTDDrewBTDwithDREW No it's not. Have you looked at the prices? Ex. Used 2070 super is going for close to $500(MSRP) right now on eBay. Slightly lower on local market.

[@wowawewah]

Well I'm still getting a 3080 for my 3600x and 16gb ram. Am thinking of upgrading to a 5600x later on. That'll be enough for gaming.

[@raymondyu5329]

The hatred is strong with this one, you get the feeling a 6 core cpu must have insulted his mother!

[@Philadoni]

hardware unboxed fueled it

[@bryce6985]

I bought a 5600x last night and am going to be putting a 6800 (Maybe XT depending on prices) when they drop. At some point you have to call your budget, and spending what is well over $200 extra (AUD) to get two more cores, which in most games at 1440p wont make more than a few % difference. The $200 i have 'saved' on going for the 6-core allows me to afford a 6800 and will return far more performance. Buy what you need at the time, not based on what 'might' happen. Because in two, three, four years time when (if) the lack of cores becomes an issue - chances are it will be time to upgrade anyway. The eight core makes sense if you have money to burn, but right now it really makes no sense to me to buy it when it is not showing any tangible benefit in games. Whole different story for mixed workloads, but for a pure personal-use gaming PC i think your argument for 8 cores is a bit out of touch.

[@Facehate666]

Agreed. It's also substantially easier to upgrade a cpu down the line compared to a gpu down the line.

[@lionelsioco123]

not to mention he says "custom pc is custom" lel :'D

[@Facehate666]

@@bryce6985 100%, I think a 5600x is a really reasonable buy at this point in time, especially in Australia where we're paying $469 for a 5600x compared to $859 for a 5900x. That is far too unreasonable of a price to consider it over the 5600x for such minimal gains at 1440p/4k.

[@bryce6985]

@@Facehate666 You got more sense than the half of the dudes here ahaha. Sorry i thought you were taking the piss cos a lot of people crap on about how hard it is to change a cpu when really it isnt.

[@Facehate666]

@@bryce6985 Nah, if you're buying custom components already then you better already know how to change a cpu, ahaha. I think it's easier to get better returns for ryzen chips in the 2nd hand market (For Australia at least) as well compared to 2-3 year-old gpus. Especially after a new release.

[@GreenLemonGames]

I'm pairing an rtx 3070 with my 7700k :)

[@julianfgc]

i have an i7 4790k 4core cpu paired with my rtx 3070 :P

[@prf101]

you play 1080p or 1440p, and how is it lol?

[@julianfgc]

@@prf101 i play on a 1440p 144hz monitor. i don't play the latest and greatest games though. valorant/overwatch at over 200fps

[@prf101]

@@julianfgc nice man that's great performance, I plan on making a similar build.

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

@@julianfgc for those games 👍

[@alecfortin6958]

I have a 4790k, but I just bought a 5600x. The 4790k is a solid ass chip, it lasted me like 5-6 years. I used to do 1440p and 1080p gaming it held up really well.

[@HDErickGames]

I bought a 3600 for $144 to pair with my 3070 that I got for $530.

[@stevewheeler8640]

I've enjoyed listening to you guys... But we're not born with this information. You don't have to make the guy feel like crap.

[@ifrit35]

It's not even an info it's an educated guess at best or an opinion at worst. No video games will be limited by a 5600X as of now.

[@MaxTheCopyNinja]

Lol, this guy is good. But don’t take this advice seriously. He has a very strong opinion. There few key points: Games which are benchmark on 6 core CPU, runs equally well on 4 cores. Some games which may have harder times, are on really old gen CPU, like 2n-4th GEN intel. Why is this true? Cause Game developers wants games to be accessible to as many people as possible. They always make sure games run smooth af for 4 cores at least and 1080p gaming. Even if you have 4th gen 4 cores core i7, you will be no trouble running most of the titles. This age and era, if you already own a PC, with 4 cores, then invest on GPU now and CPU when you feel like it is starting to become bottleneck few years done the road. Also, whenever he says ‘dig into your pocket to get more cash’, this always makes me laugh. Sure, only if everyone persons pocket have hidden 200-300 dollars stash for this emergency. Every time they wanna upgrade. I honestly have not issue with the point put up by the content creator, just they have a strong one sided opinion. Those who saw this video, felt bad about your build, just don’t. He has no idea who common folks are, and how many of us out there. XD He made a joke about single monitor, lol almost 90%+(ranges between 75%-95% depending on other factors)of the steam player, still uses one 1080p monitor for the games. So I have no idea which group is he targeting this video too. If if a person had to build a PC with 6 cores today, I would mind at all. It would take over a decade for 6 cores to be replaced by 8-10 cores as standard. Also to add more, it has been a decade, we still have 2 cores processor, not to game though but they are still around. Most of the last gen gaming laptop and most of today’s budget gaming all have 4 cores. No problem in their benchmarks, cause still today all GPU. My advise, if you buying, definitely not 2 cores for gaming, 4 cores okay. If you already have a 4 core pc at home, if possible add a super dope GPU now, use less of its potential and upgrade cpu later if you can find those hidden money in your pocket. 6 cores are becoming standard. Mostly set by laptop makers and AMD. 8 cores will starting becoming a very accessible thing for everyone in 5-8 years. Drink Coffee and play game (me Playing Doom Eternal).

[@ByteSizeTech]

I did a poll on twitter of my followers, over 700 replies, it was about 50/50 on single monitor vs dual monitors. Food for thought...

[@luisdiaz71956]

I bought a 3070 which is not even very high end like a 6800xt and it bottlenecks on a 6700k @4.8ghz,at 1440p. Not even 1080p, which would make it even worse and I get stuttering in some games with the gpu at like 60% usage, I imagine the 6800xt would be way worse and the cpu would always be at 100% as my 6700k is right now on a 3070. I laughed when you said 4 cores is still enough when it clearly isn't, I bet a 6 core would be damn close to 100% usage as well. And if you think it's going to take over a decade for 8 and 12 cores to become the standard, you're delusional, with competition in place 16 cores will be budget by then is my guess. 3 1/2 years ago 4 cores were still being sold for $350 msrp, now a 10700k can be had for about the same price (accounting inflation) in just 3 years with 8 cores. And are you high when you say 8 cores will be accessible in over 5 years? A 3700x 8 core is $280 when that same Intel 4 core was $350 3 1/2 years ago, and with ryzen 5000 out now, that 3700x I bet will drop to under $250. How cheap do you want processors to get? The price of a sandwich at McDonald's?

[@junichi8369]

@@ByteSizeTech I have a 3600 and a 5700xt and I dual monitor fine. 27inch 1080p and a 34inch ultra wide 1440p for gaming. No issues

[@forthrightnight]

Thanks for doing this channel. Just watched a couple so far. Awesome content. Subbing.

[@laggmonstret]

Some of us didn't "build" a unbalanced PC, I just sold my card and went for a RTX 3070 to keep it alive until Alder Lake is out (or AMD 5nm) :P

[@BrianFairlamb]

You cant build a balanced one because no GPUs or CPUs .........

[@BatSoup67]

When you realise CPUs are becoming less and less important as we move to higher resolutions...... That system would perform just fine and last you for at least 5 years.

[@hgr3180]

@Sean Price sources?

[@Kley96]

@Sean Price Next Gen consoles is ZEN freakin TWO!!! The Ryzen 5 5600X outperforms the Ryzen 7 3700X. The 5600X is a BEAST and will last for 4 years.

[@Kley96]

@@Amrit_SZN Zen 3 > Zen 2

[@ArthurM1863]

I agree with this

[@ArthurM1863]

My 7700k still doing fine. Now its paired with a rtx 3070 after replacing my trusty 1070 and its working great.

[@AVerySillySausage]

First off, it's completely different when comparing buying now to keeping what you already have. Also... how do you define "fine"? What resolution? What framerates do you get, is your 3070 being bottlenecked. I can guarantee you that unless you play at 4k or are just lucky in the selection of games that you play, the potential of 3070 is definitely being dragged down.

[@RickyEnEspanol]

@@AVerySillySausage 10700k is only 5-10% faster than a 7700k. Intels chips don’t grow that much year over year.

[@MrZodiac011]

So many gamers think the CPU isn't important. A friend of a friend was talking to us in a voice call when we were talking about PC parts and how AMD is really good now and that we'd be switching to them, the other guy said he doesn't need a good CPU because he only plays games and I'm sure he probably plays a few games that benefit from more than 4 cores. Doesn't matter if your framerate doesn't look to be higher, it'll stutter less and your whole PC will be smoother, I went from an i7 7700k to an R5 3600 and such a small upgrade made a huge difference. I can only imagine what my 5900X is gonna do when I get it

[@trenr44]

How is pairing a 9900k or 10700k with a 6800xt? I’m not going with the 5800x because it’s $450 rather than the $320 I can get the 9900k for

[@ByteSizeTech]

Sounds like a good plan to me

[@morgorth3242]

i have bin now 10 years + on a 8 core 16 threaded xeon system and i love it

[@Peep18m]

i bought a z490 e gaming mobo. a rtx 3090 fe and a i9 10850k. went w 2 ssd for obvious reasons. cooling i went w a kraken x63. 16gb of 3600 ram debating to grab 2 more sticks. so far so good but i might sell the 90 if i can get my hands on a 3080. its my very first pc build as well btw.

[@salehs3952]

Dude, if you're playing in 4k, the cpu choice hardly matters. I'd pair an R5 3600 with a 6800XT if I'm building a new PC for mainly 4k gaming

[@rpospeedwagon]

I had a 2700x at 4.15 GHz and RTX 3080. Upgraded to 3800x 4.5 GHz. Much more consistent performance even at 4K. Not as much fps drops.

[@johnniewalker9737]

This presentation was great. I like your style . Ace advice too. Cheers.

[@brng1755]

The 5600x goes for 450€, 5800x for 480€ and 5900x for 780€. So if you have to build now the 5800 is near msrp where the other two are inflated.

[@nahuelcutrera]

I don't completely agree, cinebench is great but there is not much use for 8 or 12 core right now, and the consoles having 8 cores means only 8 cores will be use in games in the next 5 years with a 5600x you will have 6 cores faster than the 8 cores on the consoles, which are more similar to zen2 cores. It's not about the number of cores, otherwise how do you look at a 9900k being beaten by 5600x. Number of cores is not that important, is about the "strength" they have at computing games. Also if you have a 3600 now don't go running to buy a 5900x or a 5800x, when zen4 hits the market you will find them for a lot less, it will be a bargain! just my two cents but I do respect tech deals opinion he is smart and knows a lot. Another problem I have is you buy a 12 core now and next year there will be 18 maybe 20 or maybe even higher count of cores on zen4 and there will be stronger cores... so yeah if you already have a 3600 wait for the 3900 or 5900 prices to go down. About GPU now in my opinion, knowing that they are going MCM next year according to the rumours, is not a great time to buy a big beefy GPU that is gonna get destroy by a 2 or 3 chiplet design next year. 6 cores is perfect for now but tech is right about the future is not gonna last more than 2 years. Seeing the new consoles behave with the old games I'm not impress at all by the cpu performance I think a 3600 or a 5600 will match the performance for the next 3 to 4 maybe 5 years probably the last couple of games of the console cycle might struggle but they will still run descently in my opinion assuming you have a good GPU. We will see. I don't know I can't make up my mind honestly. Cyberpunk might make it more clear ! if it utilizes a lot of cores well then might be a good time to wait a little bit on the 5900 bargains when zen4 goes out. With things advancing so rapidly whatever you buy is gonna be outdated quick that is for sure, look at the ryzen 1 buyers now, already left behind by a lot in less than 3 years. There is no future proofing now with this progress. buy for now and in 2 years your gonna have to buy for then also.

[@JeremyN2DP]

Would a ryzen 5600x and a nvidia 3070 be balanced or not really. I’m want to get into gaming on PC. Especially for the VR but I’ve never had a computer before. So this is an honest question. I want it to last me a couple of years before I have to upgrade. But based on this video it’s probably a bad idea because the ryzen 5600x is only 6 cores?

[@Weezedog]

Nothing wrong with a 5600x and 6800xt. 5600x is barely slower than 5900x in games. You shouldn’t ever overbuy hardware based upon potential future needs that may never materialize. Buy what you need for today. 4 core cpus have been enough for like 5 years, we barely are getting into multithreading games. Buy a 5800x+ later when it’s old and dirt cheap.

[@thomascooke427]

i built my PC at the end of 2018 and put a I5 9600k with 32gb of ram and had to pair it with my GTX980 for 6 months until i put a 2070 super in there. Not sure if i should upgrade to the 9900k or wait until 11th gen Intel

[@Shinobi_sac]

People like to buy what they can afford today and upgrade later when they have the money, rather than not be able to buy today, because they have to save a lot longer to get that extra $250-300 The average person doesn't have additional money to blow at a moment's notice, the average person waits multiple generations between upgrades, not every generation. The average person upgrading to 5000 series cpu will likely come from 2000 series or lower, or 7000 series intel or lower, same with gpu's, those going to a 30 series or 6000 series are likely coming from 10 series nvidia or lower (or 5000 series gpu, because they misbought and got caught with bad cards)

[@RacingAnt]

What twaddle. Depends what you want. I run 3x1440p monitors, and play driving sims. At this resolution, I'm going to be GPU bound with a 6800XT and a Ryzen 5600. A 5900 won't get me a single extra frame. Same with MSFS (when they get round to proper triple screen), so it 100% depends on what you want to run.

[@YourSkyliner]

This is dumb. 5600x is *completely fine* for a freaking 3090 at 720p. For gaming, there is no need to even buy something better than a 3300x. It's just pointless, sorry. If you want the extra cores for streaming or dual monitors you go and buy a 3700x, but only if you *need* those cores. Spending more than $300 on a CPU in gaming system is like burning the money or throwing it into a river.

[@YourSkyliner]

@Sean Price Which only goes to show how retarded it is to buy an expensive CPU for gaming. I think you missed my point.

[@YourSkyliner]

@Sean Price You still don't get it. 720p with a 3090 is the worst case for any CPU, because it will give you the highest FPS possible. If a CPU keeps up with that, it will keep up with anything.

[@griefersutherland7694]

I just want to chime in here. The xbox one and ps4 have 8 really weak cores. If there ever was a time to use 8 cores, it would be now. But it's not necessary. A six core twelve thread cpu with high ipc will be stellar for years to come with what we know about game development.

[@meiinuyasha]

Step 1 to build a Pc you need bank balance

[@MrAlex154144]

Just picked up a RTX 3070 to pair with my 5600x.

[@rpospeedwagon]

I was debating between 3800x and 5600x. I decided that at 4K with a 3800x would be marginally ideal for my needs. Although 5600x would be better right now for 1080p or 1440p in most games, I would think.

[@_jerby_]

why is he being so condescending towards that guy wtf

[@paolobebe24]

he's an idealist but he's bad at it. what only matters is what he wants. which is impossible for majority for other people.

[@4Leka]

If I couldn't get the build I want within my budget, the first thing I'd save on is the GPU. Because it is the safest to get used and the easiest to upgrade later. That might make for an 'unbalanced' build, but I rather save on the GPU and upgrade it later than save on all the other parts to get an all-around compromised system that requires a complete upgrade sooner.

[@ferdlc7757]

I just bought a Rx 5700 and paired it with my ryzen 1500x. If I play on 1440p and get over 90% gpu usage then I'm good to go right?

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice video. Maybe after all the new Hardware is released - maybe do a suggested system builds - showing what a well "Balanced" system would have in it.

[@ahdasick]

PAPA DEALS! I need your advice🙏🏽 thinking of building a pc for high refresh rate 1080p gaming. My current plan is a 5600x paired with a 5700xt. will that get the job done? what would you do ? i want 144hz/fps on any game i play. will that set up be enough?

[@Joreel]

Yes,it's more than enough 😸

[@ahdasick]

@@wtf847 yah if i could find one at retail price 💀😂 everything available is being resold for like $400 more than retail

[@Erbilforever]

i have a 5 year old broken laptop with i5 5200U and weird 6GB DDR3, why am i watching this ? 😭

[@poseidon5003]

I have a Ryzen 5900x with an RX 6800. 32 gigs of ram. I wouldn't use a lower tier card for that. When the card is running 100%, 79.6 of the cpu (2k QHD) is being used which is more than an 8 core can provide. 79.6% will give me around 20 threads worth of a 24 thread cpu. That's MORE than an 8 core. Before I purchased my rx 6800, my PC was equipped with an rx 5700. It couldn't use half of the cpu. I was stuck with it for 2 years due to GPU prices being stupid high. There was no way I could use 100% of the cpu with that. My imbalanced system ran great, but I might as well have had a Ryzen 3300x for a cpu. It would only use about 45% of the 5900x. Moral of the story : Tech and Rogue are correct. I ran an imbalanced system and all I had was a fairly expensive CPU with 12 cores, that was only using about 4 or 5 of due to my limited GPU. I had no idea at the time. I know now due to Byte Sized Tech. Thank you.

[@Bristol-MyersSquibb]

This dude is crazy I have a 6700k @4.9 stable vcore 1.37 cooled with h100i platinum and a 3080 FTW3 ultra cpu never goes above 55c and gpu barely hits 60c.... keep giving info out like this and your surely not going to go anywhere in the KZbin world

[@trivo1887]

I wonder what he said was wrong? I just wanna share my thought and get a feedback. No hatred here. Anyway If someone buys 6800xt and slap it into a mainboard with 5600x or 3600 cpu. That would be a waste. And right now if someone owns 3600 they still could play some new games in medium or high settings. There is no guarantee for future gaming because of the number of cores. Let that alone if you want to game and stream at the same time. That would be impossible.

[@marko_josipovic]

@@trivo1887 "3600 they could play some new games in medium or high settings" what are you talking about? A Ryzen 3600 realsed in 2019 can play AC Valhalla in 2020 on Ultra without going over 40% utilization. Combine that wIth a RX 5600xt or rtx 2060 you can get on ultra amazing stable FPS.

[@jaalm4711]

3:08 Horizon Zero dawn is 2017 Ps4 exclusive .So your point about it is correct. Pc port doesnt change the Core utilizing of old game

[@lalo18214]

Sad part is we couldn't get the 5900x. It was gone in seconds

[@Naglematt3]

I have a 3600X plan on getting the 5800XT i will update my bios and pick up a 5900X when they get cheaper or more available!

[@jaedonevans-turner5783]

Why not just hold out with the 3600x until the 5900x gets cheaper?

[@Naglematt3]

@@jaedonevans-turner5783 I am for now as it works well but im upgrading sooner because my brother wants it.

[@jaedonevans-turner5783]

@@Naglematt3 oh awesome that makes sense! :)

[@Naglematt3]

@@jaedonevans-turner5783 yeah and I dont even know when they will be available again

[@jaedonevans-turner5783]

@@Naglematt3 yeah it sucks!where are you located?

[@Carebear_Pooh]

it's the same with buying storage or RAM. you don't NEED a 4 TB drive to store all of your stuff. Right now you may only have a game library of perhaps 2TB. But in the near future, games are going to explode in size and you will need the extra storage. Same with cores. right now, your games dont need 12 cores. But future games are going to benefit from more cores, and over a few years games will come out that will benefit from the 12 cores. Even intel has moved past 4 and 6 core chips. It would only make sense for developers to start optimizing for more cores.

[@raihandw]

My bet is on maximum of 8 cores utlized for at least the next 5 years. Reason? Next-gen consoles, they're 8 cores and they always get the first treatment from devs. If you only game, 8 cores is enough for those 5 years, if you do more, 12 cores or more makes more sense.

[@TheBongoJeff]

@@raihandw this. And Consoles arent only for gaming. Consoles are multimedia platforms that need those extra cores. Consoles allow you to stream, play spotify and the game itself at the same time. 12 cores are overkill.

[@marko_josipovic]

@@TheBongoJeff Exactly, so consoles don't need 8 cores for pure gaming. Because as you said, they need 8 cores in order to provide you with possibility of streaming, spotify, their OS, and gaming at the same time. By that logic, get 6 cores on PC. Now you might say, "well cores on console and PC are not the same" which makes sense. However, the difference would be that big plus we still don't know since PS5 has not been released.

[@Xilent1]

@ ByteSizeTech The reason people are confused its due to the fact that KZbinrs tell gamers to buy the best Graphics Card you can afford over the CPU. You explained it from a VALUE perspective. Mathematical sense. He sounds like he wanted to game at the highest level today w/o thinking about tomorrow. I'm glad you made this video. New subscriber, but watched this channel a few times. I had been stuck on the CPU part due to the new changes you mentioned coming to PC (AM5/DDR5/PCIe etc) I get it now. Just buy the best today and wait till AFTER the first gen AM5 since it will be new tech......with bugs

[@ynot5643]

Hi so In the uk I have the option of either getting a ryzen 5600x or go for a second hand 3900xt. I was planning on pairing it with my 6800xt and just wondering if you'd still be opposed to me using a 3900xt with this GPU?

[@celticspike2522]

So what GPU would you recommend to pair with a Ryzen 3 3600X. I love VR but my 1070ti struggles with a lot of titles. I won't be getting a new CPU until AM5 comes along and have a B350 board.

[@celticspike2522]

@@wtf847 What kind of person comes to someone's channel just to insult them in the comments?? If he is so useless what the fuck are you doing here? Is this what you do all day. Lurk in the comments section of channels/people you don't like?

[@token2win578]

y do i get 60 + average fps on cyberpunk i use 2 monitors and a 3070 on high to ultra settings on a 10400 f?

[@instinctz7065]

Damn, now I don't know what to do. If I get the 5900x, then it will become trash compared to AM5 anyway, so it's like...?

[@stevemorales4627]

I just bought about a month ago a ryzen 9 3900x and I want to buy a rx 6800xt. Will that be good ? I was not able to wait for the ryzen 9 5900x.

[@brendencamastro3028]

I currently have the ryzen 5 3600 with RX 5600xt (on a b550 board). Was thinking of of getting the 6800 (not xt) and getting the ryzen 7 5800x around January (after holidays). Do you think this is a good idea? Or should I get the 6800 xt and the ryzen 9 in January? As for my financial situation I can do either way. Obviously it’s hard earned money so I don’t want to waste it but it won’t put me in a financially hard place either way. I just don’t want to spend too much. I don’t have a 4K monitor. I want a 1440p machine that will last a few years until like you said the am5 is on second gen and the kinks are worked out and prices on boards and Ram start to settle again.

[@Bdot888]

I went with a 3600x in 2020 and this year i upgraded to a 3080 from a 2060. If i had spent a little more money and got say a 3700x, i wouldnt have needed to upgrade as soon. In a way, you arent saving much money when you need to upgrade sooner. I ended up going for a 5700x and the 8 cores were definitely worth it and will hold me over until 2nd gen AM5

[@danielmas5493]

Is the RTX 2070 with the 5900x an unbalanced system with 16gigs of ram?

[@vex_d673]

It depends what games you play. All the games I play at the moment would not be too hurt by being played on a really strong quad core. I don't really see many games that would benefit from more cores. Plus I am an addict for building/buying/looking at parts that will likely sell and upgrade within 2 years lol.

[@theradmcv6216]

Hi I’m new to pc building and I wanted to game and stream and games I aiming to play is FPS what cpu gpu would you recommend? I am mainly looking at amd CPUs I don’t really care to much about the new stuff coming out

[@StgVirus1]

I agree with him. Why spend over $300 for 6 cores? There's much cheaper 6 core chips out there.

[@morbes]

This advice seems misguided. Maybe if you do content creation, rendering, encoding then yeah the 8+cores are way better. But if you're just gaming what games are even making use of 6+ cores even? The graphs coming out aren't showing much difference between the 5600x and 5950x when it comes to gaming.

[@endeliggnist5066]

He's talking about future games possibly needing more than 6 cores.

It's not good advice tbh.

[@wilsonlam8596]

If I want to assemble a brand new computer now, would you recommend buying 3700X? Or 5600X, I mainly watch videos / on KZbin, watch the web, and play little games

[@ByteSizeTech]

Neither... today, Intel is a better deal...

[@kabloosh699]

Better to buy the best CPU you can get. GPUs are easy to swap out 2-3 years from now giving your machine likely another 3 years of high end gaming life. You can stretch that out even further if you're not running some crazy monitor or want the 4k gaming experience.

[@GothicRule]

I can't even count how many times in Reddit they're still using a R5 5600x and pairing it with like 800 dollar GPU's.. It is indeed nuts.. No point.

[@S54VR6]

Is an i9 9900k worth keeping for a few years?

[@jonah5548]

You mean the i5 9600k ?

[@S54VR6]

@@jonah5548 I meant i9 🤦🏻‍♂️. I actually have a 9600k now but I don’t want to spend money on a new MB. Rather just use what I got now and go from 9600k to 9900k

[@josef_fritzl]

@@S54VR6 9900K will do you plenty good for at least this gen, I'd keep it.

[@peteranesu8870]

Hahahahah. I got a r5 2600 and waiting on a rx6800xt to arrive. Imagine me hahahahah

[@londalecarter3482]

Just built a ryzen 3950, rog strix e gaming mobo, 64GB RAM, temporary 1660 super (just because it was 200 bux on sale, and the 3000 launch was bogus), samsung 9 something EVO NVME 1TB. Its awesome

[@ionelroza]

what gpu are you planning to get? PS: enjoy your build :)

[@londalecarter3482]

@@ionelroza honestly i wanted the 3080ti. But that botched launch made me take another look into what amd is offering. Nvidia really dropped the ball this time. So i'll get the 5800 if its in stock.

[@UnlimitedHatred]

What about the 5800x? Will 8 cores be adequate for a few years?

[@Fleet-Admiral-Harrison]

Of course. More and more games are using 8 cores for triple A games, and that's what newer games are utilizing. If you have an 8 core Ryzen 7, or Intel chip, and you're going to play the latest triple A games, you should be fine.

[@UnlimitedHatred]

Awesome, thanks for responding guys. I think that's right for me then.

[@microgamestation]

And yet in another video you recommended a 1660 Ti for 1440p @ 144hz... In 2020! You then proceeded to justify that by... Showing games that were 1-2 years old! Amazing.

[@ByteSizeTech]

Context and budgets are hard topics, I know...

[@microgamestation]

@@ByteSizeTech You can't just decide that benchmarks are suddenly invalid between videos to fit the narrative of your title. In a recent video of yours you argue the 1660 Ti is enough for 1440p gaming @ 144hz and go on to use games which are 2 years old as evidence to support that claim (while avoiding showing a worst case scenario too), then in this video you argue that using those same games is an unrealistic benchmark for a new build in 2020 as upcoming games will be 'so much more demanding'. Consistency is hard, I know... On the subject of budget... The video in which you suggested buying a 1660 Ti over a 3080 was not targeting a budget crowd; the budget crowd isn't considering buying an $800 GPU, but that aside... If your video was titled "1440p on a budget?!" I wouldn't have raised an eyebrow, but you're honestly suggested people purchase a vastly slower card in place of a 3080 for their BRAND NEW high referesh rate 1440p gaming build in 2020... We're talking HIGH REFRESH here! That card doesn't break 60fps in games like Metro Exodus... At 1080p, mind you!

[@tomasu556]

I have a 3700x and a 2060 with 16gigs ram want to get into 2k 144hz and 4k 60 on thriple A games and 3 to 4 monitors I know the 3080 will meet the demands but do I wait for the super or ti versions?

[@4Leka]

Why should they go from 5600X to 5800X if that means that they'd have to buy a lesser GPU? The price increase of 5800X over 5600X is in no way justifiable in a gaming rig. By the time the 5600X is not enough for the 6800XT, you can get a new CPU faster than the 5800X for less than the price difference of the 5800X and 5600X right now. I could get behind buying the 5800X and saving on the GPU instead if there was a meaningful performance increase over the 5600X, but there isn't. If you have that kind of money to fling at the CPU just for a few extra fps, the money is much better spent on the GPU.

[@jakeonly]

My Ryzen 3600 4.2GHz all core OC throttles at only 95-105 FPS on max settings playing Cold War NukeTown. Games happily use all 6 cores these day. Still waiting for the 5900x to come in stock.

[@dfsafadsDW]

Hey Tech, i took your advice and did some research. I agree now the 5900x is much better deal than the 5800x. Thanks for the advice! Honestly I dont see many reviewers thinking into the future. :)

[@bryce6985]

'Futureproofing' is a rabbit hole into hell. Unless you have boatloads of money you dont care for, but what works now. Especially for pure gaming. Because by the time your current 6 core cpu is struggling against 8, there will be far faster options and you will need to move up regardless if you don't want to bottleneck a new GPU.

[@Turk_]

A turbo 4 is often faster than v8's from the past due to technological advancements. Same concept applies for the 5600x. It is cutting edge tech and it will age well enough to carry you into the days of AM5 cpus.

[@ByteSizeTech]

Yes, but a V8 just sounds better and has a nicer smooth power curve. I would take a 200HP V8 over a 250HP turbo 4

[@TacticalPower88]

This sounds like building backwards to me. Even If your budget is shot, Never skimp out on the CPU unless you are planning for the rest of the build to be skimpy as well! The CPU is literally the first component you should decide on when brainstorming your build. From there all your other decisions should fall in line with your CPU choice matching up as best as possible. If there going to be any slight to moderate overkill components in your build at all, at least make sure its the CPU! If your CPU choice was skimpy then your GPU choice should not be a $700 tier one! Its a bottleneck today and its only going to get worse as time goes on. You want to make sure that your CPU of choice is more than ready to keep up and pump every penny of value out of your GPU as well as everything else in your system. If you really want to go with the best gaming CPU you can get for $300 fine, but understand that its not even going to be able to fully utilize anything beyond the current $400 tier of GPUs, let alone the upcoming more powerful $400 tier so throwing any more money there is only going to increase your margin of waste. Personally at this point, Unless I was buying it off a crackhead or otherwise getting a deal thats way cheaper than retail, I wouldn't be looking to buy any 6 core chips in 2020. I'd at least wait for 8 core zen 3 processors to become more affordable. I'm sure either 5800x price drops and/or much more value orientated/non X skus (Zen 3's 3700x replacement etc) are in the pipeline over the next few months after AMD is done making a killing from taxing the overly thirsty early adopters lol.

[@Sniffmeister_yt]

What do you think about a 3600 paired with a 3070?

[@jasonsoh79]

Which gpu would you recommend to pair with 5600x for 1440p gaming then?

[@fpv568]

Don't get a 5600x, get a 3700x or something

[@ByteSizeTech]

RX 6800 XT if you can swing it, but we haven't reviewed them yet.

[@josef_fritzl]

@@fpv568 Why? Worse IPC for lower game performance? Even in multithread the 5600X beats out the 3700X due to the IPC gain.

[@emirpasalic1629]

So i wanted to buy myself a new pc but i really want to just game the newest games with best settings, so i thought to myself buyin a ryzen 5 5600x is fine, now my question is is a 3900x also fine or does it really needs to be 5900x with the 6800xt?

[@namaanda5349]

Well, I'm going to sin by pairing athlon 200ge with rtx 3050 possibility next year.

[@wayneking9693]

Rubbish! A Ryzen 3600 is fine for a 3080 or 6800xt, perfect combo for 1440p. You don't need more than 6 cores 🙄 not all games use 6 cores.

[@kovu223]

If you plan on playing at 1080p for the future - invest more in your CPU, you will actually feel the difference If you plan on playing 1440p- then go with more balanced system, however GPU is much more important than CPU here, however 3700x, not 5800x should be all you need for the next 2-3 years 4K - you can go with Black Friday deal for r5 3600 and invest in 3080/6800xt, in some time from now, when CPU choice will be noticable when playing at 4K, you will probably be able to buy r9 5900x or even 5950x for 40% of the current price ;) All the advice above doesn't take into account high refresh rate and/or multiple displays, but if you need that, you need to overbuy on the CPU, as Tech said ;)

[@gram5217]

Maybe in next 2-3 years, 6core CPU will become "budget choice" like 4core CPU nowdays. 😅👍

[@SUSHI4lyf]

That's not a maybe.

[@gram5217]

@@SUSHI4lyf for sure?

[@koushiro86]

It’s in the budget slot in the Ryzen 5000 lineup

[@dylanallen7720]

@yellow dragon unless you play at 4K...

[@chargedonpc9989]

Sorta had become that way last year with 1600af

[@geekmake]

What you guys think of 8 cores/16 threads? I already bought an 5800x in pair with a sapphire rx 5700xt nitro+ special edition and 32gb of trident z royal 4000mhz 17-17-17-37 on b550 msi tomahawk, I play 1080p 165hz monitor

[@cruz1n494]

It’s perfectly fine my guy 😹💀

[@mryellow6918]

not gonna be able to run 4000. could get that down to 16-16-16-36 at 3866

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

@@mryellow6918 uh yeah you will fclk does 2ghz now.

[@mryellow6918]

@@miniweeddeerz1820 from everything i have seen it doesn't

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

@@mryellow6918 which means apparently amds zen3 announcement slide which said 4000mhz recommended is lying...

[@AllemandInstable]

I had to get a 5800x because the 5900X is just nowhere to be found in France it's either 5800x or 5950x and i don't have the money for 5950x

[@masterdftw4983]

3900X would have been better then.

[@chunger169]

I disagree with this sentiment from a slightly different angle. If you are an enthusiast who has fun playing with tech and from time to time assists other people in building systems, hands-on knowledge of performance boundaries is vital. The best way to know those limitations is to intentionally build mild to extremely unbalanced PC's and then to use them in a variety of scenarios to get a feel for those boundaries and learn for certain if a combination will smoothly perform a certain task or hit a performance metric for someone's specific needs. That valuable knowledge can then be applied to save money when prudent, and "futureproof" when prudent. Many times, I find it more fun to be surprised by an unusual combination that flirts with a limitation than always staying close to the safe center-line. Many times, I've been able to ask someone who is legit on a tight budget what their specific goal is and legitimately crush that goal while throwing $200-$500 back into their hip pocket bank where it is better utilized. The ability to do that is honed by building unbalanced systems with enthusiasm and intent.

[@27schmidty]

What new amd processer would run good with a 5700xt

[@00Klingon]

I currently have a 7700k with a GTX 1070 gaming on a 144hz 1440p monitor. I'm thinking of upgrading the GPU to a 6800x at first and then later, when funds allow, upgrading to a 5800x or 5900x with an x570 motherboard later. Would this be ridiculous or would upgrading the motherboard+CPU be a better way to go first?

[@Kley96]

I'll use my PC for gaming only. So you tell me, that I shouldn't buy a 5600X? I dont have the money to spend it for the 5900X. And some people tell me, to not buy the 5800X because it's bad value. SO what? Which CPU should I buy? Intel Core i5-10600K? i7-10700K? Tell me!

[@kacperbogusz800]

Dude you used to recommend a Ryzen 5 1600 for a GTX 1080

[@Flynn....]

He also recommended a 3900x and a 5600xt LMAO

[@insanitylol]

And that’s a 6 core processor hypocrite BOOO!

[@ursaber]

What would be an ideal GPU for a Ryzen 3700x? Will it work well with a 3080 or 6800 XT?

[@psputranoveka]

Rx 5700 XT is fine, 3070 would be great. 3080/6800 XT is perfect if you got the money. It all depends on what do you wanna do with it. Gaming? On what resolution? 1080p? 1440p? 4k? What game? Competitive titles? Triple A?

[@ursaber]

@@psputranoveka 2k gaming Mostly in prep for upcoming titles like Cyberpunk, Valhalla (which came free when I bought the Ryzen 7 3700x) and Watch Dogs Legion at maximum quality and well above 60fps And i have the money, i would happily pay 800 bucks for a 3080

[@psputranoveka]

@@ursaber if its me, i would probably go for the 3080/6800XT for those games. Other with more knowledge on this may add more info on this.

[@ursaber]

@@psputranoveka i agree

[@Green0Photon]

My mind constantly comes back to this. I keep seeing constantly people recommending *six* cores! And then pairing that with a 3080! I say balance, and they say I don't know what I'm talking about. I feel like I'm going insane. It's so dumb. Tech and Rogue are my voices of sanity. I seriously don't hear anybody else talking about purchasing methodologies and it hurts.

[@jeffreyrivera2755]

If your doing 1440p 4k gaming, a 6 core will not bottleneck you. YOU DON'T NEED TO GET A 12 CORE CHIP. That's just crazy and stupid. Can throw that money elsewhere

[@2011jaydog]

I agree on the 6core not being enough...ever since 1st gen I had the r7 1700x...went to a 2700x...now have 2700x in 1 system and a r7 3800x in the main rig with a aorus 3070..2700x is paired with an aorus 2060super :) I've always went with 8cores!!

[@corytaylor2286]

Generally curious, im not being a troll, i will be upgrading my processor, mobo, and GPU this year, i know that im going to get a 6800XT and a ryzen 5 of some kind (after confirming with benchmarks once the embargos are lifted) but im undecided on the cpu, i only game, and its on a 4k 60 fps monitor (couch setup, sony x900f...great tv by the way). To the point i always hear you say dont use a 6 core and get a ryzen 9 5900 for the processor but i never hear you say anything about the new 8 core ryzen 7 processor, is there a reason you dont recomend or talk about it? Right now im on a ryzen 7 1700 and an amd 5700 xt but i only want to get to 4k 60fps with some ray tracing...would the new ryzen 7 be appropriate?

[@JoaoBatista-yq4ml]

If i'm not mistaken it's because with $100 more you get 12 cores instead of 8. Compared to the total value of your system this is a small price difference with huge gain. Will you use all 12 cores today? Probably not, but your computer will be future proof, open multiple programs on a second monitor without a performance hit, etc.

[@corytaylor2286]

@@JoaoBatista-yq4ml thanks...thats a good angle to consider.

[@ByteSizeTech]

Ryzen 7 5800X is a good CPU at a bad price. If it were $350, I'd be singing its praises all day long. At $450, why bother? Spend $100 more and get the 12 cores.

[@Ondrarix]

Ugh this is so tricky.. So right now I am running R5 3600(amazing CPU for the value seriously..) Gskill trident 16Gigs 3200Mhz, ROG B450 i "gaming motherboard", MSI RTX 2070 super Gaming X. So its a midrange PC which I run on 1440p monitor. So far, I am able without any issues and small help of Gsync run every game without any problems on performance on a ultra/high details, but I do see, checking avg values of FPS that with every new AAA game or worse optimized AAA game, I run more and more just on the edge of 60FPS or slightly lower so I am reaching a point when I might consider to start looking for my options to upgrade. I am so happy with my rig, that I was ready to wait what the new generation of tech will bring the next year, 5nm from AMD, DDR5, etc etc..all these cool new shiny toys. I do see however even now that I could advantage from higher core counts. 6 core works great in ideal conditions, the ideal conditions is key here. Majority of players do not play in ideal conditions. I talk even about opened a cards in Chrome and having better antivirus in your PC which runs diagnosis, not to mention I am discovering a new hobby in video editing so more cores seems as a good idea and I could and would leverage them on daily bases... not to mention 16gigs ram only, thats the only regret I have. I have itx board so its not like I can buy just 2 more sticks of the same type, I need to replace the whole thing(disadvantage of a ITX fair enough but mostly my fault of not thinking this through better and not buying more rams memory in the first place..). Question on the table is. Do I wait late spring time and buy the "best aged wine" of the current tech or should I just "suffer" :D through until the release of AM5 and DDR5. I was ready to wait but now thanks to this video bringing up a really good point, the AM5 might not be really worth the trouble :D it might take a while until they tweak it to perfection. So thank you very much, this video brought me back to the start, and I have no idea how tf am I gonna decide because this year has been crazy full of a new tech :D It feels like the worst and at the same time amazing time to upgrade the PC XD

[@owenburges]

Dear God this guy likes the sound of his own voice

[@Gestr3482]

Building my first pc on Friday, pairing a ryzen 5 3600 with a Sapphire Pulse 5600 xt. I think that qualifies as balanced. I am, however, a bit embarrassed to say what I spent on my motherboard! Suffice it to say I'll have no problem upgrading to a new, higher core chip down the road.