C'mon Instructors! You must do better

[@Ep1cure]

I don't want to pretend I'm perfect, but one of the first things that drops on many occasions is attitude. When people pass their tests, whatever those tests may be, they disregard almost everything they learned. This is why this channel is excellent. Start with the right attitude, and the best results follow.

[@highdownmartin]

I’ve had recent conversations with a mate, who rides a motorcycle as well, and it’s come out that he’s got an “ the people joining off the slip road have to fit in with me, as I have priority “ mindset. Which I gently countered but was actually surprised by, you don’t stay alive on two wheels being right, for long

[@Enjay001]

Totally agreed. People even go into their driving tuition and test with the expectation that they will disregard instructions once they have their full license. When I was learning to drive (many years ago), I heard phrases like "you won't have to bother with that once you've passed your driving test" or "no one does that after they've passed." What's more, I still hear it from and around the young people I know who are currently learning. There seems to be an attitude that there are things that you are taught that only serve to "get you through your test." They are seen as "silly" rules that "for some reason" the test requires you to follow. Consequently, the attitude is that those rules can then can be ignored afterwards.

[@marklittler784]

Anticipation, cooperation, coordination and consideration.

[@uhtredthebold2]

Yeah there is a narrative that once you've passed your test you have to learn how to 'really drive'. This isn't true, you have to take what you've learned and improve using the experience that you gain, not throw it all away.

[@clivewilliams3661]

And this is why there should be a follow up test to a higher standard after say 5 years to focus the new driver on their continued learning. It would also have the byproduct of improving instructors because they will inevitably be required to give update courses and the standards for that will naturally filter down to instruction for new drivers.

[@Enjay001]

To address the commentary from inside the camera car at 3:46 - learners have been allowed on the motorway in England, Scotland and Wales since June of 2018. "This will help to make sure more drivers know how to use motorways safely." (gov.uk) However, conditions have to be met: They have to be accompanied by an approved instructor The car must be fitted with dual controls They must be displaying L plates (which you'd hope an approved instructor with a pupil would be doing anyway) All that being said, Ashley is right that learner is not ready for the motorway yet.

[@MikeJones-iq7gj]

I knew that rule already but what I tend to see now is parents cars on motorways, no duel controls, no instructor, and the police just let them get away with it. What's worse is sometimes the type of vehicle they're learning in. The other day a 2003 Mitsubishi Shogun on a motorway on L plates being driven by a visibly terrified young girl

[@Enjay001]

@@MikeJones-iq7gj I suspect a lot of people will have simply heard "learners can drive on the motorway now." 😕

[@smilerbob]

@Enjay001 You are correct that some have simply heard “Learners can go on the motorway” I had to stop a friend from allowing one of their family members drive on a motorway with them and it was all in a passing comment. They said they wrre driving down to Cornwall and that “…they can share the driving and get motorway experience” Once I pointed out the rules they were shocked as they, like others, have seen learners in family members cars on the motorway and assumed it was fine (and this is the worst part) becuase “everyone else does it” That one phrase really annoys me…everyone else does it! Like it makes it OK as you are just doing what everyone else is doing around you. No wonder things are going downhill fast as these just get accepted as the norm (Sunday rant over and apologies everyone)

[@CarCapture]

That comment was from Mrs CarCapture who didn't know the new rules but now does and agrees with me that not only was that learner nowhere near ready, that section of motorway, heading up to the M1/M62 interchange is far from ideal for a learner of any calibre.

[@stefansoder6903]

Why special rules in the UK for motorways? They are the safest roads!

[@nickramsden5366]

I remember at 17 before any lessons my Dad took me to an industrial estate on Sunday mornings. We just drove around in squares either left or right. It was like a nursery for novice drivers with no parked cars. Sadly, these areas are now too busy to enjoy that easy introduction.

[@Hitperson]

we had a local airfield that my dad would take me to when there wasn't any gliding on, it was perfect for everything from 2 lane roads up to motorway speed on the closed runways and doing night driving.

[@highdownmartin]

Ah, Sundays. When fck all happened!

[@marklittler784]

Not at 4am 😅

[@clivewilliams3661]

@@Hitperson There was a disused runway from RAF Conington that ran parallel to the road,which was owned by the farm that was a training ground for beginner drivers. There would always be someone being instructed by a relation in a non-driving school car. Its a shame that pupils have to venture out onto the highway before they can handle a car, there should be Govt supplied learner sites with traffic lanes, junctions and the like to allow car handling to be acquired much as they do for a CBT in motorcycling. Such a site should also contain a skidpan/wet slalom to give experience in car control that simply doesn't exist for the vast majority of drivers.

[@WarrenF]

If you do that now police will be called by the security looking at the cctv

[@amyk9813]

Just came from an advanced practice drive. On opposite side of dual carriageway, there were multiple emergency vehicles attending a RTC. Traffic was at a stand still. It looked really serious. It's a very sad reminder that driving is inherently dangerous and that safety is everything. I sincerely hope that those involved were okay. It gave me goosebumps.

[@ashley_neal]

And people who aren't moved by seeing such an incident should not be driving. One of my phrases I use is "we are driving a loaded shotgun".

[@neilclark2245]

The best drivers in the world are the ones who have just seen an accident. It doesn't last, though

[@chrishartley1210]

@@neilclark2245 Unfortunately, they are also often the ones who slow down to gawp at the accident on the other carriageway and cause problems on their own carriageway.

[@jpldriver]

@@ashley_neal A lot of drivers think it wouldn't happen to them,because they are good drivers.Unfortunately,this attitude is very common!

[@Enjay001]

The explanation from 1:03 is a nice clear description of what "looking over the bonnet" means and why it has the problems that it does. I've seen that exact type of steering many times - mostly with learners, but not always!

[@keith6400]

Most drivers steer slightly before they reach the point the car is at in relation to a bend. This can be demonstrated by the passenger looking out the side window. If you follow parallel to the kerb when you go round bends the kerb will stay in the same place. Most drivers get the car to move towards the inside of the curve. This is why sometimes you meet an oncoming driver coming over the centre line when they are on a right hand bend the incursion is worst where overall space is limited.

[@ShadowReaperX07]

I've been watching you for a number of years now (albeit rarely commenting). But no better video than to sing some praises for my Instructor who has taught me everything as you appear to teach your pupils. Albeit obviously this is over a decade ago now. If all instructors were at the standards the two of you demonstrate, we still wouldn't have perfect roads, but there would be individuals with the skills and patience to make someone else's mistakes non-events.

[@ibs5080]

Folks, just to say a huge Thank You for all your well wishes in the comments via Ashley's previous "Nice Driving" video. Just wanted to also say, I replied to each and every one of your well wishes but in some cases, my comments were deleted by the peculiarities of YT. I just didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring you or that I was unappreciative of your kindness. It all means a great deal to me at this challenging time, especially as I also recently lost my very dear Mum in July. Anyhow, on to Ashley's Sunday video.

[@ashley_neal]

I think you'll realise Ibrahim that I don't delete comments. It's good to hear that you're back home.

[@ibs5080]

@@ashley_neal Hi Ash. Oh yes of course. I wasn't implying for one moment that it was you deleting my comments. I'm well aware it's a peculiarity of YT at times. Apologies, I should have made that part clear. I've gone back and amended my original comment to reflect that. Just watched this video. Very interesting viewing.

[@ashley_neal]

@@ibs5080 YT even deletes my comments on occasions!

[@Manu-Official]

Sorry to hear about your hard knocks recently - take care.

[@cargy930]

Tried numerous times on several videos to send my best wishes too Ib. Maybe it'll get through this time!

[@Manu-Official]

Seen this week, an instructor round the corner of my street taking a turn, doing the left hand shuffle steering around the junction way too fast while eating an apple with the right hand. Not as bad a holding a phone, but I did shake my hand. That said, rare incident - 99% of the time the instructors around here are spot on. Last week I had a learner about some 50 yards away joining the main road and stalled sideways halfway through. A bit of a chuckle as the learner did panic trying to restart the car and made a hash of it before moving again. Instructor put his hand up, I gave a little flash and wave to say no worries and gave them ample room, so the learner could then resume driving without pressure. Mistakes are also a good way to learn.

[@christopherfanshawe1425]

Although not evident in these clips, in my view, so many instructors fail because they teach to pass rather than teach to drive. Over the years, I took over so many pupils who were supposed to be test ready or have even passed previous tests, and were simply not ready to drive on their own. The measure of my success as an instructor was always the number of accidents my pupils in the two years after they pass. As a village instructor, who lived by word of mouth recommendation, I would find out pretty quickly if someone had a bump. I felt my pass rate was almost irrelevant, although it was always good. I have talked to instructors who have had multiple fatalities amongst their ex pupils. I would never have been able to live with that.

[@nowillnoway]

To be fair, those instructors are in many regards doing what they are paid to, especially in a climate where the costs associated with learning to drive are so high. To me the question should be if the *testing* is fit for purpose. If the test is fit for purpose, then the instruction will be forced to follow. A look into the vision zero data for my local area shows that 59% of serious injuries and 77% of fatalities occurred on 'rural' roads (and there are definitely some in the 'urban' figures that are misleading at best). As far as I know, all the test routes used by my local test centre feature approximately 0% of those kinds of rural roads. With 3 in 4 fatalities on rural roads can we honestly say the test is fit for purpose if we rarely/never test on them?

[@NinjahDuk]

On my first lesson since my test got delayed (this was back in September now) my instructor and I decided we should do the old test manoeuvers (reverse corner, 3 point turn), just for fun. It was actually very insightful, they're super useful skills to know. We're pretty happy I'm ready to drive, I just have to wait another month to prove it. That, I think, is an excellent example of learning to drive rather than learning to pass the test. It isn't relevant at all to the test itself, but it sure is a good set of skills to know.

[@nowillnoway]

@@NinjahDuk maybe not *directly* relevant to the test itself, but those manoeuvres both rely on the same foundations for all the other slow speed manoeuvres you'll do - good all round observations, awareness of the size of the vehicle, and precise steering/speed control. So while those manoeuvres may not be on the test, they're still skills developed 'for' the test. I absolutely agree that they're good to know, and that it's a good thing for your instructor to do with you, that many younger/less experienced instructors may not bother with. Please don't mistake the following for any kind of attack on you or your instructor, it is genuinely just to illustrate the kind of skillset that I suspect many are lacking. Would you feel comfortable reversing 50, or 100 metres back along a fairly windy, narrow, single track country lane to reach a passing place? How confident are you in assessing appropriate speed on such a lane? Assessing the appropriate speed for a bend on a flowing piece of A road? Doing all the above in the dark? The test, and by extension, the teaching, is set up entirely to create *urban* drivers. The only non-urban driving that is part of the test afaik is dual carriageways, which is *still* not the skillset required for rural driving. Unless students specifically ask for it, it's not necessarily fair on them to spend even 1 lesson (and by extension, what, £35+? of their money) on something that the testing process plain doesn't require of them...but then they're never going to learn those skills (and it will take more than 1 lesson to develop them). As a frame of reference for you, I would say 75%+ of my driving, and 90%+ of my riding is on rural roads. 95% of my learning experience when I learned to ride was urban, because that is where the test is. I appreciate that this is my circumstances - someone living in London, or Manchester, or...may have the complete opposite experience. But on the 10% time they *are* on rural roads, I'd say there's a good chance they'll end up involved in one of the 77% of fatalities.

[@davem9204]

@@nowillnoway Really good points about the driving test is for urban driving. I grew up in a rural area and my driving test was in the nearest large town, so an entirely urban test in narrow streets at low speed. But most of my driving was on faster rural roads. Fortunately my instructor spent a lot of time with me on rural roads and told me he never lets anyone take their test until he feels they can control the car at speed on the country roads. He would even encourage me to overtake slow cars if the opportunity arose - so imagine getting overtaken by a base model Mk1 Micra with the L-box on the roof! I recently sat in with a new driver soon after she passed her test, and there were so many really basic things she struggled with which she should have learnt early on in her lessons. She couldn't even do a hill start, despite living in a very hilly town - it was never taught properly and not tested. At least she was keen to improve and ask for help which was good.

[@lukearoo]

If it hadnt been for recent clips of an intructor daring people to crash into her, I'd suggest that perhaps the learner vehicle had been stolen whilst out on a lesson.

[@TylerBenneyShorts]

I went to her channel and looked at the videos that she was posting, every single comment she’s putting it’s either everybody is sexist or racist. Completely ignoringanything about her poor driving/instructions. Some people just always want to be victims.

[@Vikface1978]

I hope the instructor we all know about, got a serious telling off and her ADI removed and lost her job, she was so shocking! I thought it was a wind up at first.

[@Vikface1978]

I too went to her channel but didn’t want to watch any more of her videos as I know I would comment in anger… watching her videos and also commenting would earn her money… something I don’t want!

[@JdeBP]

Just to offset things, I'm going to mention that I found a comparatively _good_ KZbin channel of a different driving instructor who does the same Horsforth routes. So there is hope for Leeds. (-: It's a shame that it's not practicable to do a "Nice Instruction" series akin to the "Nice Driving" one.

[@JdeBP]

@Vikface1978 On that score, I note that quite a few comments on those videos have been deleted by the channel owner as of this afternoon.

[@paul756uk2]

Theres a big difference in a driving instructor teaching you to drive as to one teaching you to pass your test.

[@groundcontrolto]

This instructor must have taught a load of people near me, drivers constantly on or over the central line :D

[@marklittler784]

With lessons there comes a point where it's time to start making your way to pick up the next pupil though !!

[@nickramsden5366]

Got close passed by a learner last week. If the instructor cannot teach basic rules there is no hope once the learner gets through their test.

[@khalidacosta7133]

I reported mine. That learner is going to end up with points before they even start BUT that will teach them two lessons. Pick the instructor carefully... and that empty second lane? Use it when overtaking.

[@supershikoku]

Makes me appreciate the instructors in my area of Nottingham - never had a major problem with them or seen them let their pupils do something dangerous.

[@chilleddriving1455]

This is exactly why there should be dedicated training centers for teaching pupils car handling before being let out on roads, like they have in civilised countries.

[@sIightIybored]

Which of the seven countries with actual roads safer than us do that?

[@nigelcox1451]

Easy to say, but it would require large spaces, which command a large value, mostly for development land. In my area, I have a few country roads with long straight stretches, with very light traffic, which work well for first lessons. Many other areas do not have such areas. Even quiet residential streets are filled with parked vehicles, as fewer people use them for work daily. For most instructors, finding nursery areas is difficult, but of course, we should try to keep early learners away from busy areas.

[@davem9204]

@@nigelcox1451 I remember teaching my GF at the time and scouring maps to find areas with suitable roads in the London area. I did manage to find some 1930s suburban streets with nice wide roads, very few parked cars that were very low in traffic. Most of the other cars I did see were learners on those streets. But it did take a fair bit of exploring before I found somewhere suitable.

[@jamiemittermuller6470]

I always appreciate the hardwork my instructor put in. I wasn’t the most able driver when I started and i didn’t enjoy driving, but they instilled in me some very good habits which are reaffirmed in these videos, biggest one was look ahead not just in front and round about anticipation.

[@edwardlamb]

What can be done? I have a friend who teaches train drivers to learn to 'drive'. I also have a relative that is a commercial airline pilot. The standards they have to not only reach, but also continue to meet through ONGOING TRAINING would be considered over the top for driving... yet we know that nearly 2000 people will be killed on UK roads each year (with many more thousands left with life changing injuries). I think instructing/driving, plus road engineering should be in 'special measures'. There's no other area of life where the level of risk would be allowed to continue. And yet... life goes on. Very strange. Thanks for highlighting things, Ashley.

[@jpldriver]

Remember, nobody is taught how to drive a car. They pass a very simple safety test,which has little to do with really skilled driving.Most drivers have not got the cognitive skills or knowledge! They drive for years with very little skill,and are deluded into thinking they are competent

[@metromadness2016]

It seems that no action can be taken, as people's carelessness prevails and, regrettably, the situation is likely to deteriorate.

[@clivewilliams3661]

Apart from telling the student and anyone else that they should be looking ahead, a couple of tricks that work is to lower the seat and get the driver to sit back in it and not crouch forward when driving, control and visibility accepted, you do not need to see the bonnet to drive . That naturally forces your focus further up the road and everything becomes more fluid.

[@williamfence566]

The clips explain a lot about the deterioration in the standards of driving on the roads.

[@flunkyminion]

You are spot on about driving instructors. I watched one teach a learner to make left and right turns on minor roads in a housing estate. This person was teaching her pupil to swing the car out to the right before turning left and vice versa. I see drivers doing this dangerous and unnecessary 'twitch' all over the place down here in East Anglia. This is often made even more hazardous by the stubborn refusal by many drivers in this region to deploy their indicator signals. It is a manoeuvre made as if they are taking a tractor and trailer , or an 'artic' through and to square up the towed part with a set of gateposts. It looks, and is. absolutely ridiculous when people do it in normal cars. Some of the worst offenders are driving small, 'Smart' car sized vehicles! It is a weird and infuriating habit which seems to have multiplied in recent years. I have been driving for a very long time, in the observant anticipatory defensive style that I was taught decades ago, and Ashley is wisely promoting here on his channel. Very few things fluster or surprise me but that stupid 'cornering with the opposite lock twitch' makes my blood boil. I wonder if it is seen elsewhere.

[@johnb8956]

I saw something very similar to what happened in the first clip the other day. I held a long way back and positioned near side - it was immediately clear that this was a very new learner driver and tried to help them out. They passed a number of parked cars with odd spaces either side without a problem. That was until they came up to where I was, where there was a long gap of parked cars on both sides due to it being close to a junction. I am not exaggerating by saying they missed the wing mirror of the last parked car by millimetres, it was enough to make me flinch even though I was no where near it. The instructor didn’t seem bothered in the slightest, even being sat right next to it. It was a clear case of the learner looking at the bonnet and seeing that had cleared the parked car, not the rest of them. I’d be the first to admit I could probably never be an instructor, not of learners anyway. It’s an incredibly difficult job to get right. But, by that same vein it’s so important that those who are instructors are catching on to these things early enough, and dealing with them appropriately. I can’t imagine the irreversible damage even a small accident could do to a new learners confidence, and an instructor should never let that happen.

[@tboneisgaming]

I'm not an instructor. I do have a lot of experience driving and try to keep my standards as much as possible. I will admit I'm by no means perfect. A few months ago I went out with a novice driver around a quiet village. I found the experience challenging and enlightened me to the difficulties of driving instruction. Even though I'm a qualified teacher it was an eye opener.

[@BladeSkate]

As a PDI, I didn't feel completely equipped to teach when I was signed off to take the next steps on my license. I have been studying ALOT to ensure the quality of lessons is as high as I can provide. I'm making sure that I reflect on my previous lesson and think very critically on my own performance, how I implemented adapting up and down where necessary, and how I use the 4R's to address learning opportunities. I won't give details on the company I'm with, but I agree that standards aren't as high as I initially thought. I have my Part 3 in January, and will be studying so much more to ensure I pass first time.

[@Staceystaceystaceystacey]

Like yourself,I'm a pdi. I agree, I felt like the training wasn't sufficient and to be honest I have delayed lessons because I felt I needed to dig deeper. Ashley's videos help and afew others on here. Good luck for your part3!

[@BladeSkate]

@Staceystaceystaceystacey oh yes, digging deeper is almost mandatory, I feel. I nearly delayed mine too, but decided to forge ahead and stay within my limits of knowledge. I only took on new pupils with no prior experience so I could get the basics down, then research the next phase etc. Thanks, hopefully I'll pass! Good luck with the training and tuition!

[@alexanderpotts7308]

At approx 5:40 what ever happenned to Mirror, Signal< manouvere ? It isn't just the position of the learner that is bad but the signalling or lack of it is dangerous as well

[@VictheSecret]

I see this sort of thing all the time. Mostly with the national franchise schools. Blind leading the blind. As for entering a motorway at that level of ability... WTF?

[@nowillnoway]

Might've hit it on the head with 'national franchise' - wanna bet they've got a set of lesson plans that are documented as 'guidelines only', but that they actually expect (especially newer/less experienced) instructors to almost blindly follow? "Lesson number x has the first introduction to motorways, if you're not hitting this milestone on time with students we'll need a good explanation of why" kind of thing, with an instructor lacking the confidence to tell them they'll do motorways with their students when they're good and ready, not a moment before.

[@MewoCatto]

I've seen it happen here before. A learner was doing 25MPH all the way up a 60 road and then drove onto a motorway.

[@Simon75-u2w]

On the subject of ‘Instructors must do better’, I’m sure we’ll have a weekly upload of that victim’s SDS mindsets clips to look forward to later.

[@ashley_neal]

If another one is released later of a similar nature, there is only one word to use. Deluded.

[@JdeBP]

Let us hope not. The sensible thing to do would be to cancel the publication of the remaining 5 videos and to make the existing 2 private. Alas, KZbin itself militates against doing so; but it is the better course of action nonetheless.

[@Simon75-u2w]

@@ashley_neal It’s especially frustrating for me to watch, as it is one of my biggest regrets in life in that I didn’t continue with my ADI qualification. It was over 20 years ago now, I was young, a bit low on confidence and didn’t really know what to do as a career. Being a professional HGV tanker driver now and seeing what we see on a daily basis on ours roads is worrying. If that is the standard of teaching nowadays (which I’m pretty sure it’s not), I should seriously think about giving it another try.

[@BlackBeltBarrister]

Great video - very poor driving and you’re right - the “instructor” entirely at fault

[@ashley_neal]

Morning Dan, Thanks for your comment 👊

[@BlackBeltBarrister]

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[@Dominate955]

Are you covering law now or still sharing your right wing political views?

[@keveb4724]

​​@@Dominate955You absolute 🤡

[@BlackBeltBarrister]

@Dominate955 calling out the gov lies doesn’t make me right wing. But calling me right wing for pointing it out makes you look stupid.

[@angiebabe2813]

Driven down that road a few times and that bend at 2:48 is a lot sharper than the video shows, fjrther back up it from the 1st jct she pulls out of theres a steep incline with another sharp bend. Itd be interestng to see if she/he has been that far up and if they'd done the same....or worse

[@BigbeeBog-of5xg]

The amount of drivers with the P plate on their car that joins motorways at 40 mph and go straight into the middle lane is shocking

[@keveb4724]

In my opinion, the only things P plates do is to draw attention to the fact that there's an un-confident driver and/or show off that they've just passed their test. If they felt so un-confident that they need to display them, they should maybe look to take some advanced driving lessons. P plates serve no other purpose to my mind

[@davem9204]

@@keveb4724 I knew someone who had P-plates on for 5 years after they passed their test. He was one of the worst drivers I've ever seen. I remember watching him trying to park his car into a space in our work car park and took him 20 minutes.

[@urbanshadow777]

With the p plates on? The amount of people that join a 50 to 70 road at 30 is ridiculous. I see it from everyone from "professional" truck divers to young middle age and old. It is insane that people don't know how to safely merge

[@kenmcd2014]

In South Wales where it appears indicators have been banned although there has been slight improvement on that in recent times. Half indicators are all the rage now. So now they only use an indicator when they get on the roundabout. It's a lottery when they get off. And I've seen this in a driving instructors vehicle too.

[@nickgreen6463]

The first driving school car is known to me. They don't have a great reputation among other schools. I had a pupil come to me from that same instructor. She'd done over 40 hours in his auto and didn't know what a blind spot was. She also couldn't navigate junctions by herself. She said the instructor just told her what to do, and he also consistently piggybacked and ran errands during lessons. She had no idea that this wasn't acceptable practice. Pretty much had to start from scratch with her. Happy to say she passed 1st time last week with just 3 DFs.

[@aaBb-ji5tu]

I'm guessing your local to me then in Dewsbury/Wakefield, I've had a few pupils come to me from this Driving School. Most told me there always on there phones, one had her test cancelled 3 days before as her instructor said shes not available even after she'd had extra lessons that week. I took her for a mock test and shes never done any satnav driving or emergency stop. Please to say shes passed now 1st time with 2 DF.

[@granddadmark7639]

I followed a Bath based driving school car for 20 mins + on the A46, driver was doing 35-45 in a 60. First clear opportunity to pass I had to accelerate very hard as the driving schooo sped up to 50-55. Once safely passed I maintained 60 with the drinving school following closely behind. Then on approaching the M4 straight lined the roundabout in the Bath direction. Messaged the driving school and received a bla, bla, bla response.

[@cyclecam6328]

For me, the overtake to turn left into the junction at 6:35 isn't too bad. If you can complete the overtake in half the distance you can see is clear and observe the junction to be clear then this is improving flow for everyone. I recall a scenario Ashley was in that was similar where the car behind wanted to turn left and beeped because Ashley correctly wouldn't move forward. This was to clear space for them to turn but would have blocked the junction turn in for oncoming traffic. In this situation there were two lanes going ahead and oncoming traffic couldn't turn in. I recall he advocate that the following car could use lane two to overtake him and complete the turn. I see the key risk with this manoeuvre is someone else blocking the junction and thus stumping your overtake causing more chaos. C&C welcome

[@user10184]

I agree with this.....6:09 was a problem because driver couldn't have had sufficient view of the major road to avoid conflict.

[@WolfmanWoody]

That first series of clips - confession: the very first lesson I ever took, 1965, was Sunday Morning 10:00 am. Started on a quiet but straight road and ¼ mile later, had to turn right at a 5-way junction. I did turn right, but over steered and went onto the right-hand side of the road. It was corrected by my instructor grabbing the wheel and was the only time I did it. Just not being use to the turning possibilities of the car and maybe that's what this pupil was also suffering from - and what you said about looking a the bonnet. Also, it could have been the instructor who wasn't feeling well. A thought...

[@Birkguitars]

As someone whose adult children are planning to start driving lessons soon this is actually terrifying especially after the recent video which Ashley reported to the supervisory body. I don't claim to be the best driver on the road nor do I claim to be among the 80% who believe they are better than average. But I am constantly trying to improve. If only I could trust other drivers to think the same but I think I have a right to demand that from instructors.

[@highdownmartin]

Go out with a first lesson , in the back seat. Or do a few hours in carparks to get your kids skills up before any lessons.

[@Birkguitars]

@highdownmartin I have wondered about that. I am conscious that I don't want to cause a conflict with an instructor and having driven for nearly 40 years I am aware that the teaching process has moved on. My "drive a lot and top up with lessons to pass the test" isn't the best approach now. I passed first time after eight lessons. I can't see that happening these days. Current plan is that I drive and explain what I am looking for and thinking. My dad was a police driver and suggested that early doors as a way of testing myself. That leaves open the means to look at two perspectives, mine and the instructors. Hopefully we won't be in conflict and I might learn something new.

[@highdownmartin]

@@Birkguitars if you say nothing but make notes, any instructor who doesn’t want you coming along for a ride, isn’t up to snuff. There’s enough about isnt there?Especially if they go down the “ well no one else have ever asked. I’ve had no complaints “ gas lighting route I’d still recommend learning to drive change gear steer and stop comfortably even if you do no Road work with them. And take them out for an hour and do a risk based commentary drive with them talking and you filing in the gaps

[@Birkguitars]

@highdownmartin Wirth considering. Ultimately it will be their choice. Apparently I can be unintentionally scary. I don't want them crashing because they are distracted through being afraid of me 🤣

[@markgambrill]

I think part of the issue around not bothering with "rules" once you have passed you test is that those rules are not explained properly. I had to change my instructor for a few reasons. The main one was they were not actually teaching me. I was getting enough practice via family members. It was the explanation of things I needed. Things like the visual check of mirrors and out the windows before moving off. Had I not had a CBT I wouldn't known what a "lifesaver" is. I honestly learnt more about road safety from the bike instructor in one day than many hours behind a wheel with that first instructor.

[@kenbrown2808]

I do agree that it looks like those instructors were having their students out on the road before they learned the fundamental points of controlling the car.

[@roderickmain9697]

Is there a case for a dash cam that monitors the cabin as well so that after a days instruction the instructor would have to lodge the footage somewhere. This could be randomly selected for review. (when I installed CCTV systems 30 years ago, tapes could be pulled and reviewed by police/public review panel to make sure CCTV was being used appropriately). That said, I seem to remember going on a driving lesson with a passenger with a clipboard in the back seat. (45ish years ago). I think they were monitoring standards.

[@hudders11]

I really do make an effort to try not to let my standards drop as I get more years on the road under my belt. Just about to hit the 3rd anniversary of passing my test. I am always looking for ways to be better and safer, and minimise risk as much as humanly possible. We're all wielding heavy boxes of metal that move at very high speeds and we should all hold onto that thought. I think my worst fault is maybe a little touch of complacency in subconsciously dismissing things because I think if it happens, I can deal with it. Maybe, maybe not. I am a better driver than when I passed in some ways and worse in others. I'm more road wise but I'm not as worried about things, which isn't always good.

[@TheRip72]

Striving to improve yourself elevates you above many of the drivers I see out on the road & in these clips. We all have near misses but how many of us ask "could I deal with a similar incident better next time?" instead of just forgetting it

[@4m05]

Driving home I was behind a learner I can't remember the name of the school, but at the traffic lights on a major junction in the turn right lane they wasn't indicating, and then at a roundabout, they did not indicate to come off the first exit, I thought maybe it was just the instructor driving but when I did pass them, a woman was on a lesson as there was someone else in the passenger seat.

[@mikeo9863]

This is rife. Whenever I see this, sadly all too common, my first thought is always "what is this instructor doing?". Never blame the learner.

[@Orion3T]

I wouldn't be too harsh on the first clip - once people decide to undertake if there's even the slightest hint of hesitation in moving left they start undertaking which further delays them moving across. We can't see clearly exactly how the issue first developed. Though they probably should have been indicating long before they did to signal intent then the undertakers might not have done so. Well done to the cammer for giving them space once they did indicate.

[@smilerbob]

That last clip was absolutely fine as the “pupil” was simply a Just Eat driver in traning 👍 Joking of course and there are some terrible instructors out there. One thing to keep in mind though is it isn’t always a pupil driving and could simply be a family member using the car with the roof box still attached. Not great advertising though for the company As for testing, it should be more rigorous for ADIs with regular assessment as well. I know many volunteer for the continued improvement programs but I believe it should be mandatory with instructors having to be assessed by those outside of their area so there is less chance of knowing each other

[@johnneil4777]

As an ADI of 22 years I couldn't agree more about Check tests being carried out by DVSA staff from outwith the area that the ADI works. There is far too much nepotism within the industry.

[@leedorney]

The matters from 6.08 are the most aspects of navigating the roads that do my head in the most

[@bjthedjdutchdude1992]

I have two clips. Where the first one goes the wrong side of the chevron. And the second one changes lanes on a turn from inside to outside lane. cutting a driver off who was on the outside lane.

[@JeffJefferyUK]

My daughter's friend had an instructor who would use his mobile phone while they were driving, and once got her to stop outside his ex-wife's house so he could pop in for a chat... leaving her in charge of the car (and of course not actually having lesson time that they were paying for!) She switched to my daughter's instructor after that incident then passed her test soon after.

[@mattwoodford1820]

The fault is with the system if there are instructors that fall well below the required standard. I don't think any of the instructors you have shown recently should loose their jobs, that's not promoting a healthy safe environment. What you want is an environment where people feel they can comfortably hold their hands up for mistakes without fear of loosing their jobs because people will try and sweep it under the carpet which then puts focus on covering up your mistakes rather than openly discussing them. Rehabilitation is gold, retribution/punitive action is of very little value imo and more akin to the dark ages with villagers and burning pitchforks. All it achieved is a brief moment of contentment for the person calling it out as Karma. It still baffles me how so many people expect humans not to make mistakes. That's like expecting humans not to breath!! Especially those that get angry at it, dry em sweet pea and get on with improving your own driving. If instructor examiners are always trying the improve their driving, everyone should

[@hikaru9624]

I get that new instructors will make mistakes. But what was shown here not even my late dad would let slip. If I did those mistakes he'd get me to pull over and have me sit in the back seat ashamed at my performance.

[@facelessvaper]

I saw an instructor on his phone texting whilst someone else was driving, I assumed GF but maybe not, they had the box on.

[@KXXULADavidOC]

When I was learning my first lesson was in an almost fully empty car park and then the next few in a quite industrial estate before going out onto the roads, its shocking to see someone with such poor car control being not only out on the roads but then going on the motorway aswell

[@bestintheworld568]

If anyone sees a learner driving in this manner, just remember that they’re probably in a situation that they’re not quite ready for. That’s on the instructor. It’s not the pupil that’s the menace. I get the feeling a small number of instructors make it all about them and are almost trying to make someone run before they can even walk.

[@radishpea6615]

6:19 onwards, both cars completed their turns without causing anyone an issue, in the case of the Ford, perhaps more by luck the judgement but nevertheless no one was inconvenienced. If motorcycles had made those turns, would anyone worry? As for the "just cant wait comment" lets not forget Ashley overtook a coach in another video because "he did not want to get stuck behind it".

[@QiuEnnan]

6:35 is passing stationary traffic before turning left actually banned though? I think it’s OK if you can see there’s no oncoming traffic. It’s not really overtaking if the other vehicles aren’t moving - though it could be seen as careless driving

[@davem9204]

I wouldn't really call it careless as the driver is probably checking out the situation very carefully to see if it's clear to make that move. The biggest risk is the car at the front of the queue before the left-turn not being ready for someone to do that and moving off just at the car turns across the front of them. I think this type of move is too niche to be specifically banned. I would imagine if it did go wrong and there was a bump then the driver of the overtaking car would get the blame though. There's a junction near me where it happens a lot, mainly due to the phasing of the traffic lights nearby. I've never seen anyone having problems doing the move and the queuing drivers don't seem bothered by it. But that's probably down to most of the drivers probably being local and familiar with it happening there.

[@steamhammer2k]

Considering how difficult it is to pass the ADI i don't understand why some instructors are so poor.

[@JasonCliftJones]

One of my earliest lessons took me onto a major dual carriageway at rush hour. It's a road that leads to a ferry port so is often full of HGV's, which for a nearly total novice was a bit terrifying. I feel sorry for that student going onto the motorway frankly, it could well scare them off driving for a while at that skill level.

[@BrightonandHoveActually]

Thsnk you for this footage from the Shania Fan Club. It is going to be a few weeks until I next supervise the learner in my family but I will take this on board.

[@davidrumming4734]

I remember seeing that sorta steering as well……. And I have to be brutally honest, some people learning to drive…never manage to fix it and never progress. I don’t know exactly what it is, but my guess is some people just can’t get directions or have zero sense of direction. Other things a mate of mine said to me when I gave him a lift….(hes a non-driver) Headlights coming in opposite direction…..shouts out “im blind!….how do you manage to see!!!) And- While stuck in traffic…..in town. His attention is all over the place….says “don’t think I could ever drive, because like this I’m looking in shop windows all the time”…. My response was… I think you’re right, prob best you don’t.

[@eeyore13]

Ended up behind someone who from the look of the car was learning with school of mum and dad, not an instructor. They were not ready for the v busy, 60 road they were one. Weaving from side to side, driving at half the speed, which wasn't suitable for the road. It was scary to be behind.

[@grahamtowler1761]

I did assume most instructors would be of a high standard but this video and the one you did a week or so ago proves its not the case. I've seen instructors in my area also poor and letting pupils drive over the speed limit so this alone makes the pupil think it's okay.

[@PedroConejo1939]

The big thing for me with local instructors is no headlights on in fog or heavy rain, sometimes no lights at all. I think the law changed to require that in about 1974.

[@WingNuts2010]

Ashley, in this video clip, you mentioned that instructors must be tested every few years. What do you think about all drivers/riders having a retest every ten years? This would mean that there would have to be a lot more instructors, examiners, and testing centres, (more jobs created) and has the potential of making the roads a lot safer. It could (but I doubt it) level off or even reduce insurance premiums.

[@ashley_neal]

I think this is good in theory, but there’s not enough instructors to cope with the basic learner tests, let alone the retesting of 30 million (or however many there are nowadays) licence holders.

[@thomasdalton1508]

Are we sure that last clip was a lesson and not the instructor driving home from the pub? If it hadn't been for the box on the roof, I think we would all jump to the conclusion that that's a drunk driver.

[@klausfuchs516]

That route via the motorway is the fastest way to get to the test centre and test routes. I wonder if that played a part in the instructor prefering to go that way.

[@daviddunmore8415]

I passed fist time way back in 1973 - my instructor was an ex police driver and VERY fussy

[@jpldriver]

@@daviddunmore8415 I was a driving instructor,and was taught by an ex Police instructor,and passed my Advanced driving test when I was 22 in 1984! I taught a 19 year old last year to drive,and I was ultra strict. I expected perfection,and taught him to a standard much higher than the driving test,so if he drove badly by my standards he would still pass. He passed first time,but with four minors! Wasn't too happy about his minors,must have been nerves!

[@J.Blogsblues-ns4to]

It seems impossible that there was a driving instructor in those vehicles, but if so those learners are never going to pass a test, surely?

[@ShaimingLong]

It's going back some 10-15 years ago, but when a friend was taking lessons she'd regularly talk about some worrying things she'd been taught, things that were reminiscent of the attitude the instructor in the previous video has and notably being told to keep her foot down, be at the speed limit and "if you can't feel the bumps in the road you're not going fast enough!" After all this time, she's still pretty bad at driving, regularly speeds, has had many low speed collisions due to not looking where she's going and has had to replace the bumpers and wing mirrors often enough to have learned the part numbers for her specific model car. Of course she has the self entitled mind set, to top it off. I can't help but think her instructor is a big reason she acts like that on the road.

[@grahamnutt8958]

1970's Volkswagen advert.... We never drop or lower our standards. If you know; you know. Mind blown 😮

[@QiuEnnan]

A lot of people seem to think the driving instructor bears all the responsibility when the pupil drives poorly - this is not true; learner drivers are also obliged to follow The Highway Code and can get fined or given penalty points. Also 1:15 look at that awful parking as well - that red car on the left was parked right at the junction, obstructing the pedestrian crossing

[@BintyMcFrazzles]

It shocks me how some instructers take their students on roads that they clearly aren't ready for. I've often been behind a learners straggling both lanes near traffic lights, some who are obviously terrified and are driving at 25mph in a 50 zone and constantly tapping their breaks if someone is coming in the opposite direction on a clear road. The closest main road near me is very busy and full of cyclists taking risks and pedestrians stepping out. My instructor took me to a quiet area for weeks and weeks before allowing me to drive down it, yet I see terrified students driving at literally 8 or 10mph down it, sometimes less. Whilst this is the instructors fault, I often think, "Was I ever as bad as this" (like randomly turning into a kerb). I don't remember being this bad.

[@263739ajh]

Topic for discussion: Talking while driving... (Or, without beating about the bush, presenting a video while driving!) I dont think there's an enormous increased risk in taking concentration off the road to give to presenting, but an increased risk all the same. If its not absolutely necessary, could there be an argument for not doing it?, in line with the hierarchy of dealing with risk?

[@6uo]

If learners have mandatory to report every hour learnt from an instructor, to calculate and publish the passing rate from each instructor, those under-performed instructors could be phased out by the market.

[@JdeBP]

We don't want a market pressuring people to pass the test above everything else. The aim is to learn to be a good driver for life, not for the hour that it takes to pass 1 test once.

[@marklittler784]

With lessons there comes a point where it's time to start making your way to pick up the next pupil though !!

[@DevAnubis]

What are the odds people are operating as instructors without tje qualifications (and maybe even the dual-controls!)?

[@douglasreid699]

When my dad was a driving instructor in the 80s, they were given a target of 20hrs to get a student through their test. He would take longer if the student needed it, but some instructors would not, they would stick to their plan for the 20hrs. These videos make me feel its instructors sticking to their plan, not seeing that the student is struggling and working on more of the basics that they need to work on. Its annoying that there are instructors out there that dont see the mistakes they are making, they dont care to be a better person. Its like they wanted to do the job, then find it is not as fun as they thought it would be, and rather than change jobs to something they want to do they just keep doing the job badly and possibly making more bad drivers on the roads because those students dont know any different.

[@kymhorner]

Here in Northern Ireland, leaner drivers are not allowed on the mototway. So when you do pass your test and start using the motorway, you've had NO prior experience of them! It's so stupid...

[@cgh08443]

And you're restricted to 45mph while learning and for one year after you've passed your test. It's so silly. It's a nightmare trying to join a motorway from a slip road while you're restricted to 45 while everyone else is doing 70. Can't wait to get my R plates off in January.

[@davem9204]

@@cgh08443 That's one of the most stupid rules ever devised. Who thought that a rule that actually it makes it more dangerous for a new driver would be a good idea?

[@bmused55]

I see so many supposedly qualified drivers doing these things. They only look at what is directly in front of them. They don't look further than a few feet, they don't plan and they don't react, at least not quick enough. I've seen them barrel into a situation and cause grid lock as they don't have the ability to look ahead and realise that gap at the junction they're about to fill is the gap piece in a large slide puzzle and by filling it, they make it that no piece can move. Then sit their dumbfounded when people start sounding their horns. They are also the ones most likely to sit in lanes 2 or 3 doing 60MPH on the motorway with all lanes to their left empty. It beggars belief that these drivers are apparently being taught to drive like that! No way should an instructor be allowing this shit to fly.

[@musicismytherapy4936]

How do we know it's not instructors driving these cars?!

[@metromadness2016]

I've observed that he never really acknowledges his own errors, only pointing out the mistakes and poor driving habits of others.

[@paulfranklin8636]

I didn't quite grasp from what you said but, do instructors have to go through a review process every so often? If not, why not? Teachers at all levels of education are under constant review, surely driving instructors should be subject to review at least every 2yrs

[@Gregdotgreg]

I'm sure U-turns at mini-roundabouts used to be a banned manoeuvre. Unless I'm misremembering?

[@loganwatkins97]

Have you been able to contact anyone regarding the instructor in the Toyota. Would be good to hear from the instructor themselves.

[@aaBb-ji5tu]

The instructor in the Toyota is the owner of that driving school. 😂 he's local to me.

[@davem9204]

Who trains the driver instructor instructors? And who then trains those instructors? Is there a big boss instructor at the very top?

[@craigc97]

Hi Ashley, are instructors ever required to retest? Given their outsized impact on standards on our roads I think it'd be a good use of resources!

[@ashley_neal]

Instructors have a standards check every 2 to 4 years depending on their level. The also a flagging system where any instructor can be called for a standards check at any point due to results.

[@marklittler784]

In the first clip I don't see the speed limit or the car's speed its difficult to safely come back in if vehicles are repeatedly undertaking or closing up on you in the left lane, its definitely stupid undertaking a learner though they should be given plenty of room and time to come back in.

[@antm2296]

One of the things that shouldn’t be allowed is having a learning driver out with an unqualified driving instructor I.e someone who has had their license for over 2 years. The amount of awful driving I’ve seen that is being taught to learner drivers by people who can’t drive themselves is staggering

[@martinbutchers9497]

Ashley, I am an instructor who has recently retired after over 40+ years. I was just wondering your thoughts on something that I think might have possibly contributed with both these students. Probably inexperienced instructors, using the new methods of teaching. Namely at the beginning of the lesson asking the student what they wanted to do today and what they wanted to achieve. If you have a cocky student he wants to drive on the motorway which could be totally ridiculous. if you live in that area of the country with a motorway is just around the corner it may be hard for an inexperienced instructor to deflect to a more realistic plan. Also one of your main topics on this channel is risk management. You are supposed to ask your student how much risk they want to take on. Again a cocky student answer let me do it on my own and a less cocky student more insecure would say tell me what to do when they don't need full instruction. On my last standards check which was a long time ago probably was 8 years ago and they don't seem to have got around to them again around here. I'm still registered and have not had a call but on the previous one I dropped a couple of points, one was risk management. My daughter was a student who was learning and we discussed risk management and came to an agreement that I would help her out if she needed or asked. I later asked my daughter if she wanted to do the roundabout on her own and she said yes. Normally I would not have said anything and just let her do it on her own phrase her up afterwards when it was completed. For one second I gave the examiner what I thought he wanted and not what I believed was correct, stupid. As we approached the roundabout with no vision and a reasonably steep hill on the approach she did not change down from third gear so I knew what was the possibilities were going to be from experience. I intervened and told her to change down to second gear which was the correct and sensible thing to do. But not in the examiner's eyes because she said yes to doing the roundabout on her own. At the end of the test the examiner said I should have left her alone as it would have been a learning curve. I told him what was a learning if she had ended up in the middle of a roundabout stalled out with a lorry bearing down on her. The lesson was about gaining confidence and the lesson was going well. Also I may have had to intervene with the dual controls which would not have helped in any shape or form when the lesson was about confidence. After the situation I only give my learners a choice of what to do in the lesson to consolidate or push the boundaries a sensible amount. Previously I had students wanting to do something ridiculous which then I had to talk them into something more sensible which obviously is not as hard with experience. Just a thought

[@ashley_neal]

Evening Martin, The examiners at that point in time didn't have a clue on what the new learning matrix was all about. I've had this admitted to me by a senior examiner. In that situation you explain even though you have given the pupil responsibility, if risk increases you need to be ready to step in with guidance at a moments notice. It does sound as though you took the correct lesson from yourself. You should really only pass responsibility to a students when they have shown new signs that they are capable of performing that task. The misunderstanding of how the new test works from many trainers perspective is one of the main reasons we see standards falling. I still here of trainers going through the guided, prompted an independent levels of instruction rather than sectioning up the skill that pupils are good at and others that need improvement. Thanks for your comment! Ashley

[@martinbutchers9497]

When I first qualified as an instructor over 42 years ago the feedback from the examiner was fantastic. In other words he would come back and say, I like what you did there, I think your manner with your students is fantastic etc. then feed back anything that he felt you could improve. You're always left feeling, thank you and implemented what was said. It then changed when they started grading and you only got criticism and no positive feedback. I believe instructors stopped listening and started to have a bad attitude towards examiners. Back in the old days nobody knew much about what the examiners were looking for on the driving test or on the driving instructors test. You were taught to be an instructor or to drive. Over the years more and more information has come out on what is needed to pass a test whether it be a driving test or an instructor's test. I think we've lost track of teaching people to drive and trying to make them as safe as possible and just thinking about passing. It's the same in schools kids are taught to pass exams not learn the knowledge.

[@margaretnicol3423]

With such a shortage of instructors/lessons I wonder if they have actually dropped the standard to get more out working although you're probably right.

[@ady44a]

Oh my gosh that clip went past the house I was born in 😮 Durkar lane , near Wakefield

[@thomasdalton1508]

I wonder if these instructors are actually qualified. Who checks if someone selling driving lessons is actually an ADI? If the pass rate is only 25%, it wouldn't surprise me if some people fail a couple of times and then just start doing the job anyway.

[@SiRhodesDriverTraining]

That first clip Ash, if that was to occur on Standards check with that poor level of car control going onto the Motorway, I genuinely think the SE or whatever the examiner is called now would stop the lesson. I don’t take mine on a motorway till they have done 50mph bypass, the section of the Lancs at Leigh at 60mph then onto the motorway. Playing devils advocate here, that second clip, was it definitely an instructor ? That model of Fiesta is at least 7 years old, L plates are a pain to attach to the rear of them and those single L roof boxes are cheap to buy online. Could be school of Mum and Dad ? Even so, it’s poor supervision. Im happy to be correct of you recognise the car.

[@Stoggler]

1:22 that red Ford (Fiesta?) on the corner: bloody awful parking!

[@Jonc25]

Anyway, all things aside. Let's not forget its World rememberence day for road traffic victims.

[@melvoid01]

Not always the instructor sometimes you will get someone who is so self obsessed that they blame the instructor for their failings and hop between one firm and the next, my brother is one, he has never passed his test and is now 57, and still only has a provisional licence and a moped, because it seems every driving instructor he has ever had has been useless, including the same guy my youngest brother my sister and myself all passed first time with. Its never his fault he always comes back with some story about how they did something wrong and blamed him or were just really bad instructors. Yes he (my Bruv) is a Prat and yes some instructors are very much not up to scratch, get 2 together who don't care and just wanna get done and you can see where this is going. I do agree tho with Ash that instructor standards are slipping, thankfully so far not enough to let my Bruv on the road.

[@davem9204]

Sounds like the person who changes jobs every few months as they are always working with people they don't get on with, and they don't realise its themselves who are the problem.

[@Twisted_Racer]

The worse you're taught, the more lessons you need. 🤑

[@jpldriver]

I was a driving instructor many years ago,the standard of driving has dropped significantly, and so has the standard of driving instructors

[@chrisl1797]

6:35 I reported a driver to Operation SNAP for doing something like that and the police are going to prosecute them. DON'T DO IT.

[@martinbrown6018]

I think the level of competence of instructors is very low. I'm in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, I learnt to drive @ 17 years old, my instructor stopped me and corrected me as soon as he thought I was not in control. I'm now 65, I'm not the best driver around, but I learn from everything & everybody I see. I like your Chanel, watch all of the time

[@thebigmacmoomin]

It's shocking that an instructor is teaching and not correcting these dangerous mistakes. It isn't a surprise that so many drivers think they can do what they like. Also could be partly why insurance is so expensive.

[@Paws4thot]

White learner - . I actually don't remember ever having been actively told some of the points of car control that you raise.

[@robertmiller4343]

Are instructors getting qualified too soon because of a shortage of instructors, i wonder because i have had a few run ins with instructors just lately.

[@Hotoadle]

Probably the instructor driving.

[@TheOz91]

If I had the cash and the influence, I would actually advocate for more simulation training. Essentially, they learn this by playing video games within a recreation of a cockpit of an ordinary motor vehicle. This is actually not unusual with many lorry/truck driving training centers featuring these to create a safe environment. However, the key is in the software and also the challenge is that hardware might cost as much as actual vehicles plus it will take space, so it might not be an easy sell though we can argue that it is much safer and creates a good environment. I can personally attest that computer games helped me become a good driver, at least on the part about the actual mechanics of driving. I argue this point because once you get the "feel" of the car down, you worry much less about what the car is doing and have more mental capacity to focus on traffic rules, other drivers, and where you want to go next.