C15 Fats: Better than Omega-3s? Scientist Explains.

[@Physionic]

And so it begins.. the deeper investigation releases on Wednesday, stay tuned…

[@Danny-mg1hu]

dude thank you so much. the company is charging $100 and more for their product. saved me some money.

[@arturwronski8652]

I understand that saturated fats, such as C-15, provide stability to cell membranes, while omega-3 fatty acids contribute to their flexibility. Therefore, the real question is: what is the optimal balance between stability and flexibility for healthy cell function?

[@phaedrusalt]

@Physionic You might point out that poorly- run studies do not necessarily say anything about the product. Human studies are expensive and take time, so by default all they're likely to have now are animal- and studies- by- analysis. Not the best, but that's what the cutting edge is.

[@carlr2837]

If you want to get some C15 via a less expensive route, consume whole fat dairy from pasture raised cows. Kerry Gold butter presumably has a good amount of C15 in it, and the same would be true of organic whole milk. Just make sure it says "pasture raised".

[@Fylgum]

I'm curious on your take regarding carboxylated C60 fullerenes, note older longevity studies on mice there? or claimed effects on health regarding C8 oil?

[@joen.8364]

Thank you, sir, your integrity is more valued to me than any other YT site, and I have been waiting for your perspective on this!

[@lucycooper55]

Thank you covering this. I’ve been sooo curious!!!

[@itaygev1377]

never heard of c15 fats, really happy to be first introduced to it by you

[@orionxtc1119]

C15 in dairy products

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

people have been asking me about c15 lately and I had no idea where they were getting it from. is this it? a supplement?

[@Physionic]

Indeed - use my link for 900% off btw, Gil.

[@YaYippieYeah]

It's also been used to advocate for the consumption of dairy fat, containing tiny amounts of C15 🤐.

[@FakYuhGoogel]

@@Physionic 900%? Sounds like a good deal.

[@jrmint2]

Thomas DeLauer had a guest on his show who pushed it

[@AbsenceLacksNothing]

But listen to the dolphins! 😂

[@xenocrates1446]

Even if it were essential (which it's not), claiming that it's better than another essential compound is ridiculous. It's like saying that water is better than air. It's not a competition... unless you're marketing. 😐

[@DerekFrazier2014]

Doc you have come through again. You are the man.

[@somersetgirl125]

I fell for the C15 hype. Bought a 90 day supply and took them consistently. I didn’t notice any of the supposed benefits so haven’t bought any more. One factor has occurred to me. I consume quite a lot of full fat dairy in the form of kefir and cheese. So it’s possible I was already replete in this nutrient, so taking extra was not going to have any benefit or effect.

[@phaedrusalt]

Or, those whole fats contain the even- chain fats that they say will undo the positive effects of the c15. (This is from their literature. )

[@loganwolv3393]

This is very likely, but if you're feeling experimental can you try to go on a low saturated fat diet and then supplement with C15, and see how you feel?

[@somersetgirl125]

@@loganwolv3393 That probably would be a good experiment but the supplement is very expensive. Be interesting to see what else Physionic uncovers.

[@Starfish2145]

Same here

[@j2r5d]

I’ve really enjoyed your content over the past few days! Would you be able to do a deep dive into choline? I’ve noticed it being marketed in my local grocery stores recently and would love to learn more about it

[@VeganLinked]

Epic timing man! I just had my omega-3 test done and I'm just waiting for the results. I took two tests from two different labs to see if they differ. I shared this on social media and the fatty 15 reared its head in the comment section. People were saying it's better than omega-3. My response was after looking into it, it's not a competition, they appear to have different roles and functions. But of course I didn't dive into the research like you did! So I'm happy to be sharing this video you have here and looking forward to seeing and sharing the next one!

[@lancepayne9897]

Thank you so much for your great analysis of the fatty 15 product.

[@RLeeErmy]

👂 I'll be looking forward to Wednesday! Thanks for another great video!

[@ThomasAT86]

Boy do I hate these misleading studies and advertisments. Lots of influencers will likely jump on that and sell out. That's such a waste of resources and people's money. Thanks for doing a great job and being responsible!

[@phaedrusalt]

After three months my wife and i have noticed a lot of changes to our skin and hair. Dark patches on our faces and hands (Age spots) have disappeared, and dry skin areas are going away. So one bad study isn't likely to make us stop!

[@lseh4720]

How many months total have you been taking it and how long do you have to do it? Thanks

[@phaedrusalt]

@@lseh4720 Effects were seen in the first month, though we have been taking it about 4 months at this point. Like drinking water, if you want the continued effects you'll have to continue taking it until you DON'T want those effects. That would probably be shortly after death for most of us.

[@adamswift1747]

It removes age spots? This is an elixir!

[@mballer]

I want the perfect fat! Magic fat if possible.

[@FXDUBOIS]

I was looking forwards for listening to this review : thanks a lot and big 👍 for the smart review. You brilliantly demonstrated and exposed what I was guessing without having time to fully understand it ! This episode was a very interesting one!

[@siciliandefence1032]

Thanks, helpful and timely!

[@spacejunkisforever6311]

Been waiting for this video!

[@Kfjebfu65]

Thanks I was very curious about this

[@larsnystrom6698]

I eat Greek and Turkish yoghurt, and use butter. 30 g (about 1 oz) of butter has what the creators of the Fatty15 supplement consider an optimal dose of C15:0. So, I have no skin in the game! If C15:0 is good for us, I already get it. But I don't understand why they want to slander omega-3! Can't they both be good for us? I'm not surprised that dairy fats good for us. Nature of course created it to have a good balance of fatty acids.

[@donwinston]

SATURATED fat is NOT HEALTHY! Get a clue.

[@terrymeland9989]

Two teaspoons of ghee have ~ 100 mg of C15:0 - similar to the amount in Fatty15. Ghee is much cheaper and very tasty.

[@donwinston]

Ghee is very very high is SATURATED fat. (More than ordinary butter!) The American Heart Association recommends LESS THAN 12 grams of saturated fat per day.

[@CharlesOffdensen]

@@donwinston C15 is a saturated fat.

[@terrymeland9989]

@@donwinston Two teaspoons of ghee have 6 grams of saturated fat. For the general population, the AHA recommends that saturated fats be less than 10% of total calories - about 22 grams on a 2,000 per day calorie diet. And less than 6% of total calories for those concerned about their blood cholesterol levels - about 13 grams per day of saturated fat. Ghee and olive oil are my main sources of saturated fats and I am well below the AHA's total cholesterol guidelines. So no concerns here since on top of these I have many very healthy habits (ex: mountain biking 4 to 5 days per week). In my situation the ghee C15:0 benefits far outweigh any saturated fat concerns.

[@donwinston]

@@terrymeland9989 There are no benefits to ghee unless you are starving to death or ypou enjoy the taste.

[@aeseki]

@donwinston What's your problem bro?

[@lilywindermere5358]

I would love to hear what you have to say about the research concerning coconut oil.

[@flowerpt]

Thanks. I was going to add this to my stack (dairy allergy) in addition to krill (fish allergy) but this inapproptiate competitiveness has made me decide to distrust the company for offering bad advice for profit. Mere price gouging was less offensive. I've added 1/2 tsp of inulin (c15 prebiotic) to my coffee in the interim so I'll stick with that. How disappointing (yet valuable).

[@davidlogan2682]

You might wait to pass judgment, until he releases that next video or go look for the other research. I suspect it may have some value in specific health scenarios & situations. Will it be enough value to warrant multiple pricey purchases of it? Idk.

[@mars9953]

Thanks much!

[@tonyturner6948]

Agreed … cell cultures are so limited for many reasons including the random elements of individual digestive processes.

[@garyhaughney2165]

What about the dolphin research??

[@Danny-mg1hu]

YES YES!!! waited for this one.

[@johnm6866]

Cell death occurs through apoptosis, necrosis and autophagy. A fourth way has been discovered in 2012 called ferroptosis Fragile fatty acids in the cell membrane that results in lipid peroxidation. Lipid peroxidation is when your fragile fats go bad. They get exposed to and attacked by oxygen. (Lipid Peroxidation)and for some strange reason iron is showing up in these cells and when you combine iron with lipid peroxidation it results in massive build up of Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) the ROS then go kill out mitochondria When scientists looked under a microscope they were seeing intact cells with kind of strange looking cell membranes and all the mitochondria were killed. Scientists just found out that C15 deficiency was at the beginning middle and end of ferroptosis and found that supplementing with it stopped all components ferroptosis

[@aeseki]

Link? Source? Cause not taking your word.

[@johnm6866]

Watch a podcast with Dr Venn Watson or ask chatgpt. Do your research.​@@aeseki

[@edvedder7835]

Thank you truth teller.

[@TimothyNoble-g9k]

More research needed and hopefully not from the people selling it.

[@lstanciu8503]

Thank you!

[@Physionic]

You're welcome!

[@michaelharrison2775]

First exposure to the subject was a presentation by Matt d e l a u r and some Navy doctor and dolphins played into this diagnosis as a catalyst and it made sense coming from them the way theyrelated it

[@Sinasi08]

There is a company selling this in the Netherlands. 150 euros per bottle 😅

[@westcoastswingmusic]

Please do more C-15 videos because I have been taking it based on additional info in interviews discussing higher blood levels in healthy elderly people. If dolphins get it from eating candle fish, am I able to get C-15 from sardines or anchovies? 🐟

I love how here C15 is good and the MCT folks with c8/c9 claim that it is pretty bad.

[@baileystruss7319]

I've been using c15 for 2 months and have noticed zero benefits.

[@matthiasries8175]

not even a placebo effect? That's sad

[@singularity6761]

And not even in your wallet? 😂

[@hrodgarthevegan]

I mean, do we ever even feel omega 3 benefits?

[@JamesSmith-yb2vi]

Try pecorino cheese from Italy, and you can see a difference. That is real C15.

[@rredding]

​@@JamesSmith-yb2viin grass-fed butter it is 😅

[@SandraSaunders-p3f]

Have you done an analysis of the blue zone study? Might be contentious to say the least.

[@willbrink]

They are also claiming C15 is an EFA, but not seen the data to support that. There's some compelling data of potential benefits of C15, but I don't see how/why it would replace n3 lipids, may be an addition to n3/n6. I'm interested in C15, the data is compelling if not incomplete, the marketing of it is problematic and not helping the legitimacy of that lipid.

[@Clif_Brown]

Good analysis. I took Fatty15 for the 120 trial period, no subscription. Honestly, I felt no additional positive effects. I feel good already on my ketovore lifestyle and usual Omega3's and Fatty15 offered no extra benefit I could detect, and it's quite pricey.

[@freiheit8573]

the algo already showed me videos on youtube where people claim that ice cream is a superfood because it contains C15, or at least can contain C15. We had those studies with C10 when it was promoted as anti-aging, because of dog studies, it happens all 5 years that some fatty acid is hyped

[@HD46409]

Yeah... All of the hype on this has been from people from the company that makes the supplement. There may be something there, but if there is, just consume full fat dairy and call it good. As a side note, it would be interesting if C15 (or something like it) were the root of the French paradox.

[@toriwolf5978]

I have never heard of c15 fats ?? Where you buy that?

[@cjstone8876]

Search "c15 fats" at the Google. You'll find the folks he's talking about and some articles about it.

[@DrittAdrAtta]

In butter😂

[@BlueLionRoars]

For me after consistently taking the C15 for 6+ months; my OmegaCheck(TM) labs dipped to 3.0 with a note that I was at risk for a cardiovascular event. So, I stopped the $$ C15 and now back to cod liver oil, smoked salmon, mackerel, anchovies and will run another lab to see if I can get back to optimal levels of which I believe is about 5.5 - 15. These are my results only and maybe C15 works great for others.

[@cjstone8876]

There are certainly more than TWO studies from these folks. Please tear into all the others. I use their product, and it has made a difference for me.

[@Biohacker24]

What did it do for you?

[@JoeyDagneseBoren]

There are definitely more than two studies.

[@ericmaclaurin8525]

Will you tell us what c15 is in the third video?

[@Deusaga]

I'm not sure if you've done any research into the late Dr Ray Peat's research? He said Omega 3's aren't that great as they're a PUFA. PUFA is supposedly best to be weary about getting too much of, as it is actually inflammatory. Not to mention has an absurdly long half life of 4 years. I'm not smart at all so I don't know the intricacies of this knowledge. Whether it is true or not. There's also the issue that supposedly most Omega 3 supplements are apparently rancid? Due to preparation and processing?

[@waaaaantube]

Now that’s a good one

[@Starfish2145]

I took this for three months. Didn’t notice any significant difference. It’s expensive.

[@dr.samierasadoonalhassani2669]

What natural foods obtain this new fat without buying.Our ancestors ate natural foods no supplements doctors hospitals as well as wild animals.

[@itscwoffeetimeandcookiesto5351]

Anyone know if he has done any videos on bio regulator peptides?

[@Physionic]

Not sure, but I’ll ask him

[@itscwoffeetimeandcookiesto5351]

@Physionic thankyou. I'm talking about the 21 peptides from Russia that they have been using for many years. Apparently an American doctor is doing a trial at the moment with them

[@hrodgarthevegan]

Do we even feel any omega3 benefits ? Ive taken it for decades, i dont feel any difference

[@Manweor]

Being deficient can have long term negative consequences. But in the short term not really.

[@hrodgarthevegan]

@@Manweor So in essence, c15 showing a measurable difference, would be more compelling.

[@lynnwilliams5432]

Did you see the guy against omega3 on Shawn Baker MD

[@cdinaz]

I've heard Dr. Venn-Watson in interviews and she often asserts that SFAs are bad and the cause of myriad metabolic chaos except for..... you got it, C:15. Now O3s. No doubt the research around this fat is important but man, they did not skip a beat packaging and marketing this thing.

[@dove72]

Nick, can you address these claims on the Fatty15 website: Fatty15 “promotes healthy metabolism.” Fatty15 “helps our cells armor up against age.” Fatty15 “strengthens cell membranes for an 80% improvement in cellular stability.” Fatty15 “is a critical nutrient our bodies need to sustain good health.” Fatty15 “promotes stronger and more energized cells.” Fatty15 “serves as an armor for our cells to keep them healthy and protected.”

[@Physionic]

Sure - it's all nonsense.

[@AdilsonAdeodatoAzevedo]

@@Physionic It is actually true. But all these 6 claims mean just "strenghten cell membranes." Maybe c15 is the best saturated fat. but all saturated fat does it. Not only c15. A higher ration of saturated to polyunsaturated fats means healthier cell membranes. But much more important than eat more saturated fat is to really try to eliminate polyunsaturated fats from you diet.

[@Physionic]

Have any evidence for that?

[@AdilsonAdeodatoAzevedo]

​@@Physionic mdpi com 2218-1989/14/7/355 The study describes what appears to be the cause of all current chronic diseases And the cause is a nutritional deficiency A new type of nutritional deficiency has not been documented for decades and they have now discovered this deficiency that appears to be the cause of all modern chronic diseases. In this study they also discovered a new type of cell death. It has long been taught that there are 3 types of cell death: apoptosis, necrosis and autophagy. They have now discovered a fourth type that is caused by this nutritional deficiency. Guess which nutrient deficiency leads to this deficiency...... It is a deficiency of saturated fat. This study talks about C15. The author of this study has a C15 supplement company and that is why she promotes C15 so much. But all saturated fat is linear in shape and strengthens the cell membrane, not just C15. And all polyunsaturated fat oxidizes easily and weakens the cell membrane. But it seems that odd-chain saturated fats are better than even-chain ones. And she is also one of those people who thinks that saturated fat is bad. So she thinks that C15 and C17 are good for you and the other types of saturated fat are bad for you. You don't need to take C15 specifically. Other types of saturated fat would have the same effect. And you should not only consume saturated fat but especially drastically reduce polyunsaturated fats. The goal is to increase the amount of saturated fat and decrease the amount of polyunsaturated fat in the cell membrane. And I can list more than 20 clinical trials showing that polyunsaturated fats are linked to virtually all chronic diseases.

[@thark5509]

A alien told him​@@Physionic

[@jmdennis1967]

I saw another video on this same subject. I had taken this before and did not notice any thing taking it. Others on facebook since they advertise there as well commented they did not notice any thing and some after taking it for a year. I like the idea but I do not like them coming up with things that are not backed up by studies.

[@Kaztrofy]

I eat full fat greek yoghurt and sardines (advice: not at the same time...) and you get both, plus energy, win win.

[@donwinston]

Full fat dairy is not healthy because it is mostly SATURATED fat. Fat in sardines is healthy. (Of course this depends on the total amount of saturated fat in the entire diet)

[@CharlesOffdensen]

@@donwinston C15 is saturated fat.

[@donwinston]

@@CharlesOffdensen Then it is highly likely it is NOT healthy in large amounts. Possible it may be healthy in small amounts.

[@warlocke4285]

I do eat both of these at the same time. Good ol Dines n Gurt.

[@lawrenceleske3470]

Comparing C15 to Omega 3 is like comparing wood to glass in building a window. They are both required.

[@tomanderson6140]

The question I still have is whether these are "essential" as claimed.

[@ABeroud64]

Surprise. Too good to be true is, well, too good to be true… When my grandma passed, she had a closet full of expired, half consumed supplements in her home. Thousands of dollars of stuff she learned about over AM radio (the KZbin of yesterday). She hoped the supplements would ward off the reaper. Alas, the supplements lined some pitchman’s pockets and cluttered grandma’s cupboard but they didn’t ward off the reaper. The beat goes on.

[@whitGGG]

Thank you for covering this! I have spent hundreds of $$ on this supplement over the years and recently stopped after reading a similar article which questioned the data.

[@lseh4720]

What results did you get from taking C15 for years, please.

[@jamesalles139]

Thanks, Nic But, the dolphins

[@ivojager2143]

Mic is better again!

[@Physionic]

Still a work in progress.. :)

[@user-ii7xc1ry3x]

Dropping the gym routine when, Nick? It overlaps with Health and Science, so it fits the channel 😛 or maybe mention a couple people you follow in the evidence-based (or not) side of fitness. I guess that those of us who lift just have some mild curiosity about it, typical gym bro thinking

[@abramjones9091]

I was hoping this study was right because I'm almost out of olive oil but have plenty of butter

[@PeterFrellick]

Wait a second. One of the authors on a study about saturated fats is named Butterworth. Nominative determinism?

[@jackbuaer3828]

Apparently, your own body can make C15 with fiber and perhaps without saturated fat. : In a randomized, double-blind crossover study, 16 healthy individuals were supplemented with cellulose (30 g/d), inulin (30 g/d), or propionate (6 g/d) for 7 d. In addition, human hepatoma cells were incubated with different propionate concentrations. OCFAs were determined in plasma phospholipids and hepatoma cells by gas chromatography.Results: Cellulose did not affect plasma OCFA levels, whereas inulin and propionate increased pentadecanoic acid by ∼17%

[@AnneAlready]

That's wild!

[@aeseki]

Only 16 people very low number can you link study?

[@jackbuaer3828]

@@aeseki KZbin deletes my comments when I try to link. It's not hard to find it if you put those words from my prior comment in a search engine like google.

[@AnneAlready]

@@aeseki I found it, posted the link and YT removed it! It's easy to find by copying and pasting study details from the original comment into your search engine.

[@loganwolv3393]

Wouldn't it be cool if we can have butter but with lots of C15 and omega 3's in it? It would be quite the spreadable.

[@Ranjanapati07]

C15 fats can be easily obtained from butter and other sources so no need to take supplements for a normal healthy body and of course, c15 is not a substitute for omega 3

[@mark-c802]

there is alot of marketing around fatty 15 for sure...good C15 to fish oil study analysis...what about their membrane fragility improvement claims?...C15,17 tests are few and expensive...they claim a new one is coming...i use one fatty 15 cap a day and will for awhile...i've never been able to note supp changes but i still like russian bioreg's, brazillian propolis, annato e/gg, food based vitamins, minerals including copper, plant ext's, retinol, some aminos, peptides...🌀

[@Dan-dg9pi]

Is c15 made by the human body already? I'm a little confused about what it is.

[@davidjordan2011]

Saying that C15 is better than omega-3 fatty acids "because it has a larger number of beneficial effects" is nonsensical because if the effects are different. It's entirely like saying that niacin is better than retinol because biomedical researchers have found 200 benefits of niacin and "only" 100 of retinol. The numerical difference doesn't matter if the two essential nutrients have entirely different roles in human metabolism and the benefits are entirely different.

[@user-cg8if3eq7d]

Its not ine or the other, they have distinct functions.

[@nopara73]

cant wait for the real video 😅

[@Danny-mg1hu]

Company was charging $100 and may have raised the price.

[@travv88]

yea but new thing

[@paulcallicoat7597]

I have taken Fatty15 for 10 the days at 1 per day. For the last 3 days I am noting an increase in brain fog and my fingers are starting to get painful. I will not take anymore for a week before sending the remaining packs back for a refund if the painful fingers go back to normal. Many people are not strict carnivore such as I have been for 27 months so might not know a I will within a day or so if some meat or dairy causes a problem for me. Pain anywhere in my body is a very powerful signal that I have ingested something that is reacting because beef and water and salt are not reactive for me. I tolerate pastured pork and pastured eggs are good unless I eat more than 2 times within a week. Lamb or beef ,butter,salt has never given me a problem so when this reared up I know the only thing that I have eaten different is this Fatty15. I will know within a couple days if this is the reason for my arthritis because I will eat only beef and salt. The index finger on my left hand is so painful that I can't even touch it and both hands are now stiff. I guess the message from nature is that saturated fats no matter the carbon bonds are not meant to be separated with one or two taken as a stand alone supplement. Whole animals,fish and seafoods are the PHD.The only other thing I take is iodine,selenium and trace minerals and Himalayan or Redmond's salt in my water.

[@RG-yz8ov]

If you want c15 eat butter or better yet ghee, easy as n cheap. No need to buy supplement.

[@user-ow3sh3ug1h]

This man is doing a great work, saving us from all the bullshit influencer. Thanks!

[@charlesdowning5899]

I bought some and had bad dreams after every time i took it

[@alwaysthinking2175]

as a reminder to youtube participants, not all phds are the same.

[@SAOSIN987]

Wow c15 is so good and important good thing your body makes all the c15 it needs.

[@thehappyfellow5500]

THERE SHE BLOWS !!! I died 😂😂😂

[@beardumaw24]

I eat sardines for Omega 3, 3 to 4 times a week and pasture raised raw organic cheese for my C15. Whole foods not supplements

[@HateDietPepsi]

You know what's better than C15 and Omega-3s. Maintaining ideal body weight and exercise.

[@amandak.4246]

yeah but i think those of us interested in this sort of thing are already doing those...

[@goatmonkey2112]

If the studies are not well done it doesn't necessarily mean it's worthless, just that the studies are bad. More studies by the same people are not likely to be better. But maybe they're seeing something that they are not able to show on paper. It seems worth looking into at least. Maybe someone else will provide better studies.

[@Physionic]

Did you watch to the end?

[@adellekonrad7375]

In short, this study doesn't tell us much about the benefits of C15 in general. It is void of sound evidence to support its claims. Well, this sounds to me like a bunch of pseudo-scientific studies out there.

[@doghashisday4612]

As a lay person, if Berg is pushing something... i ain t gonna lie, i just push it aside. Life is too short to use it finding a nugget in poo

[@theresamitchell9577]

Use Ghee. I cook with it daily.

[@baconinvader]

But Nic, 15 is higher than 3.

[@Physionic]

Not sure about that, let me look into that and find out

[@Pierre-Leloup]

I'm going to wait for the liposomal version to come out 😎

[@MikkoVille]

Wait, a supplement company making exaggerated claims about their product? How can that be?

[@singamajigy]

Color me shocked!

[@christopherdavis9883]

🤔

[@ReflectedMiles]

Maybe this will go some small way towards adding a little discipline and order into the wild world of supplements and the claims made for them. Well, probably not.

[@bobarne71]

A saturated fat has different effects on the body than Omega-3. Their comparison isn't nearly as relevant as the authors imagine. The best example is membrane fluidity but also metabolites that reduce inflammation. It is a stupid study. C15:0 might be beneficial but but to compare it to Omega-3 is ignorance.

[@stefan-cosmin.ionescu807]

The authors of that study even claimed elsewhere that C15:0 scores better across different biomarkers, particularly those related to AMPK activation and mTOR inhibition, than well-established drugs, namely acarbose, metformin and rapamycin. It seems nowdays that the only effective way for some zero-sum biased underdogs with a crab mentality to gain popularity in this attention economy is by minimizing their top dogs' qualities, while lacking virtually any quality themselves.

[@bonniepoole1095]

Was this study peer reviewed? How on earth did it get published?

[@blahblah2779]

$$$

[@andries1704]

Even peer reviews are not always thrustworthy.

[@rabokarabekian409]

or eat cheese

[@danwagner6235]

At least c15 is good for some dolphins. Lol.

[@Physionic]

Not even that is certain - that's based on cohort data, as far as I'm aware.

[@larryc1616]

It's just another $cam

[@marzouqaladsani9600]

I tried it. It wasn't only a waste of money. I had the worst night sleep for two consecutive nights because of it.

[@bubcat54]

I tried it; now im gay