Can a 12 Rare Deck Win in Arena's Most $$$ Format? | Timeless Budget Magic

[@Tinil0]

44:53 Ok, so I am dumb, but can someone explain thisr? He plays the eidolon first, THEN the prowess haste card, so he hits himself for 2 in a close race, then attacks for a single point of damage to light up the stage for ANOTHER 2 damage to his own face? And he couldve instead played swiftspear, then DRC, then Eidolon so his swiftspear is a lethal 3/4 haste and he would have 4 more life and a 3/3 flier even if the opponent had the leyline binding that he did...You could save light up the stage for another turn, which you would have.

[@ursulcx299]

Gotta say, if storm really is so big, roiling vortex is just an amazing counter to that.

[@rpglover5955]

Alternatively if it is on arena and in the timeless format, Leyline of Combustion is a pretty underrated card that also deals with targetted removal as well (only downside being that the deck probably will rarely be at 4 mana to hardcast it if it isn't in the opening hand)

[@COBsomeone22697]

I think Seth speaking the worst into existence is my favorite long-running joke. Things like "Well as long as they don't have a second bowmasters, we should be okay" followed by the opponent immedietly playing the second bowmasters. The best is when Seth has to stop and think for a moment, and asks "Is there a card that saves our opponent?" and then comes up with some ridiculous scenario like "Okay, if they top deck exactly X card, and then spin into Y card, and then if they're holding Z card, otherwise I think we win." And then the opponent plays the prophesied cards

[@Loren_Law]

IMO roiling vortex is a main-deckable card. If you are playing best of 1 I really recommend it. I run 2 in the mainboard in modern.

[@ther3aper561]

Especially with all of the baubles running around, that 5 damage is huge

[@poiri]

@@ther3aper561true, arena players love bauble almost as much as they love lifegain.

[@domri4203]

​@@poiriI can never find room for it.

[@drjjloveman]

I like to run a brotherhoods end in the main deck too. People's love their cheap artifacts or creatures.

[@Nightwishmaster]

Is it worth maindecking it in a format that doesn't have a ton of free spells the way Modern does though? In a format where nearly every deck is jamming evoke elementals and forces it makes sense but it doesn't seem nearly as powerful in Timeless as a maindeck card. I'm really not trying to be snarky or anything, I haven't played any Timeless yet. I have a ton of wildcards I've saved over the years but I wanted to wait a while for the meta to settle down before I start buying up fetches, spellbook cards, etc so I haven't played yet but Bauble alone doesn't seem like enough unless there's also a lot of incidental lifegain and stuff in the format that gets punished by it.

[@beelor5777]

At 36:05 instead of bolting the mutavault, let the hexcatcher resolve. If he sacks the hexcatcher you just pay the 1, if he doesnt, you bolt the hexcatcher and if he sacs the mutavault you still have bolt in hand and he lost 3 life and board is the same as if you bolt the mutavault.

[@thecrazycapn]

Opponent's phone alert goes off. It's the the "Roiling Vor-Text."

[@lloydlineske2642]

How many times did Seth Eidolon and then take 2 in the same turn?

[@LadyMapi]

There's also Gruul Burn, where you get Atarka's Command (which is usually going to be 3 damage to face + pumping your dudes, though it could also be 3 damage to face + no lifegain for your opponent) and Deathrite Shaman for that grindy, grindy value. Boros or Rakdos would probably be better, though.

[@victorperezurbano9504]

Arcanist + atarka is a TON of value though

[@Dom9606]

the great thing about budget decks like this is that there's room for improvement, you can use this deck to grind for wildcards and then use those to upgrade it

[@TheEvolver311]

Just draft the new sets for like 2 weeks.

[@miguelfreitas5343]

2:52 Teaching Arena Zoomers About Necro? Am I missing something? I can't find that video :o

[@drjjloveman]

I win in timeless all the time with mono red burn. Channeler, ghitu lavarunner, swiftspear, variashino pyromancer, light up the stage, skewer, bolt, wizard's lightning, bonecrusher giant, play with fire, lightning strike, reckless impulse, risk factor, electrostatic field over eidolon. 4x Rumanap ruins and 2x den of the bugbear

[@6tiple6ix6afia]

Imo runny steamy boi is honestly a necessity in this deck... Spectacle, drawing, pinging all are even more super functional once you have a free three mana. Like turn 1 swift, t2 steam kin, t3 bolt, light up, skewer attack for 8, second main pop steam kin for 3 mana, light up, bolt.... Turn 3 wins are extremely viable witj steam kin

[@MindstabThrull]

"Are they playing a Leyline that they literally cannot cast?" Not unheard of in various competitive formats, especially when Leyline of Sanctity or Leyline of the Void are involved. Also I would point out that if you want to play almost any given competitive format on a budget, Mono-Red Burn is usually up near your best option because so many of the parts are interchangeable.

[@syrelian]

Makes sense, especially in formats with more lax or non-existent rotation, iterations on "shoot a dude in the face for 2-3 damage" in red have been done practically every block, and there's no fancy necessary synergies to make the damage work You just shoot them until they die, synergies are nice but The Gun is still The Gun regardless of which exact accessories you slap on it

[@adamtobiasz8793]

Looks like a fun deck to build on paper 📃 😀 😄 👍 😉 👌 📃 that is.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

I feel like some of Seth's Eidolon play was pretty odd. Both playing them when inopportune and forgetting about them other times.

[@GJ203]

Eagrely awaiting the oft-mentioned teaching arena zoomers about storm video🙂

[@AkodoNoEyes]

I like Burning Hands in the sideboard. 2 mana for 6 against some of the most annoying cards to play against. Seth, idk how many times I’ve seen you punt because you didn’t play a land and wanted to wait and play it after combat. Around the 22 min mark you could have saved your swift spear if you played a land, then the swiftspear (it gets the counter) and when they go to Cut Down(only one black source at the moment so they couldn’t cast another thing) you could’ve then cast the Spikefield getting a prowess trigger, saving the creature, dealing some damage and then forcing them to cast another removal spell on the same creature. Which means one less removal for latter turns. Plus actually getting 4 damage on the opponent. Play your dang land. It doesn’t cause priority to switch. Just play it. Thst whole exchanged changed the whole dang vibe of the match.

[@jackelope6134]

Another downside to Lurrus upgrade, If you want to play the cat you also need to cut Light up the Stage and Skewer the Critics which is kind of a bummer. Loved the video, I love watching Burn!

[@Clackerr]

Lurrus is permanents, not any spell.

[@jackelope6134]

@@Clackerr you're right I somehow never remember that

[@shanedixon6627]

As someone relatively new to magic, why didn't you just cast the burn spells in the Uro match up when you had the chance to? I noticed lands untapped, burn spells in hand, and nothing being done.

[@jonathanstudentkit]

Nice deck but some misplays, e.g. Swiftspear after Eidolon, 1 Mana Light ups after opponent fetching etc

[@paulhedges4625]

Sad to not see blood moon, but since it's a rare it makes sense. But I need blood moon!

[@dimensionalineage]

I refer to Searing Blood as Velveeta Hands. "Velveeta Hands your Bow Buddy..." That is my input.

[@flintston3r]

Rpiling Vortex love is the best kind of love

[@6tiple6ix6afia]

Why you wouldn't sideboard in crypt is beyond me?? Got beat by Uro and targboi so idk why not take out the mishras and sub in t crypt?

[@codyluna7065]

Searing Blood gets around Leyline right??

[@Majdjejsneei4]

Yes; doesn't target the opponent

[@willwithanxbox]

If wizards makes timeless more affordable the popularity will shoot through the roof

[@gagewoodcock2479]

Seth it's Vortex not Votext 😂

[@bbbeware]

woo!

[@liorramati265]

Seth keeps mentioning a "teaching zoomers about Necro" video. Has it just not come out yet?

[@BrunoNunes83]

chaos warp is legal, enchantment removal

[@nfortin24]

This may be a good deck to see if you enjoy timeless... but definitely not a deck to help you get into the format... Nothing here, beyond MAYBE bauble, will go into anything other than burn.. good video tho

[@DerekScottBland]

Yeah, when I watch these videos I wonder how many losses they took for each win that they show. I'm guessing most of these "dominate on a budget" videos we get from various content creators have an overall win rate of 20-30%, especially if you're playing ranked.

[@dannyg282]

Lightning bolt is played in any deck playing red in the format, so 4 of the 12 wildcards are useful outside of this deck, and the other 8 are used in Rakdos burn which is a popular and high performing deck in the format and is the obvious upgrade path for this deck. If you care about things like uncommons Dragon Rage Channel is played in a lot of decks outside burn

[@OftenAlwaysFresh]

If Seth would stop playing eidolon before his 1 drops the game vs domain in game 3, wouldn't have been so close

[@Majdjejsneei4]

That was very frustrating to watch, especially "oh I shouldn't have done that" and then did it again immediately

[@Mr_Dopey]

Blood moon is worth the rare.

[@tylerblalack6684]

What would you drop for it ​@@Mr_Dopey

[@matthewjecelin8358]

The fact that lightning bolt is a rare is crazy. Same with brainstorm

[@Atmapalazzo]

The strixhaven special cards were a mess for arena. Thankfully other sets seem to be trending away from that (I know enchanting tales still has some questionable rarity calls, but those were either rare to mythic or the lack of a downgrade to uncommon)

[@rekenner]

And Dark Ritual and Counterspell..

[@zackestin1368]

it at rare is very important for limited honestly, uncommon archives were way too common for bolt to exist in that field.

[@TheEvolver311]

​@@Atmapalazzo lighting bolt and brainstorm would have been obscene in Strixhaven limited if they were commons.

[@rekenner]

@@TheEvolver311 lmao. Brainstorm is worse than opt or consider unless you put in the work to make it better. It would have been a bad cantrip at Common in limited.

[@Kristjan0209]

22:45 Classic Seth missing the fact that his light up the stages are 1 mana

[@stephen9to5]

I know I was like dude don't you see that lol😂

[@ketchumall8243]

As he's literally saying "it's a shame I don't get to cast these light up the stages" as you can just look and see they're 1 mana cause his opponent decided to Fetch in response to the Roiling Vortex cast.

[@blazewalker7313]

It seemed like he was really getting greedy for the light up into free land mentality but he deffinetly should have just got the free 4 cards for the following turn, regardless of being able to drop a land with light up or not.

[@joetrewellard4568]

I think it was more the fact who expects fetch in the second main!

[@DerekScottBland]

The one thing I always hate about this build is the transform of Kumano Faces Kakkazan completely negates the benefit of Searing Blood, as any creature that is killed gets exiled and thus doesn't go to the graveyard to trigger the 3 damage from Searing Blood. So now you have an RR spell that deals 2 damage, and that's not as good.

[@haidynwendlandt2479]

I honestly think it’s one of those necessary evil problems, because they’re both such good cards in the deck that feel bad to exclude, and honestly I don’t think that the nonbo is that common considering the low toughness of KFK’s backside

[@cheezybred]

Timeless was the best thing to happen to arena since launch.

[@j_g_t6091]

Turns out, letting people use their cards is a good idea

[@gaileybruce]

Now if they would just rare shift down cards like lightning bolt I would start playing.

[@Matthill121]

​@@gaileybrucesee, wizards is emboldened by people like me who barely put any money into arena and then as soon as khans drops they drop 200 bucks just to get fetches and enough rares for staples. I should lead by example but I am weak for modern/legacy-esque gameplay and I haven't played paper in years :(

[@gaileybruce]

@Matthill121 that is the problem, I have them all in paper and refuse to pay more money into arena. If only codes came in real packs like pokemon.

[@Xoulrath_]

​@@Matthill121hey man don't feel bad. There is a very high chance, like over 100% chance, that if the cards that I use to build my Modern decks became available for Timeless, I'd instantly spend whatever amount I needed to so that I could play said decks. The only reason that I've ignored spending money on Arena thus far is because not enough cards that I use, or cards that I would use, are available.

[@juantwothree45]

Not bringing in Tormod's Crypt against the Tarmogoyf/Uro/Deathrite Shaman deck was certainly a choice.

[@6tiple6ix6afia]

I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY WHYYYYY?

[@jacobthorn2800]

around 22:55 you could have used the light up the stages right? They cracked the fetch in response to the roiling vortex, not at etb.

[@jonathansnow21]

Came here for this. It shows the price as only 1 and he clicked right through.

[@qjl889]

I had the same thought but I think he was prioritizing keeping the vortex activation up to prevent life gain

[@Tinil0]

@@qjl889 I feel like risking them gaining 3 health a single time is more than worth getting the light up the stage online though?

[@Xorthis]

Yep! There was the whole animation of spectacle being activated too... and then he was complaining about how he needed to activate them haha

[@jameswood5285]

Thank you for always giving us players ways to play on the cheap!

[@nzeezoostupidiii1314]

Thing is, all these rares are useful outside of this deck so it sure does seem like a worthwhile deck to invest in from that perspective as well.

[@heithrobinson996]

U mentioned watching teaching zoomers about necro. Was there a video for that? I must have missed it?

[@jons363]

I just wish timeless had more people playing non meta decks. I made it to mythic playing timeless and on the way I don't think I saw more than 5 different decks.

[@arthurkeech]

That's primarily because your ELO was quite high. Lose a bunch and it's much more fun jank

[@TheEvolver311]

It's not a brewers format

[@twi1ightknight]

opponent cracked a fetch *while* seth was complaining the light up the stage was off. I swear that is comment fishing. It worked seth, it worked.

[@TheREALTheRealAdam]

Been having luck with Mono-Black Devotion. Moderately expensive (Necropotence, Dark Rituals, even Phyrexian Obliterator), but at least you get to save on the mana base.

[@OrbGoblin]

Even tho Timeless is expensive, if you're smart at least you can feel pretty confident your rare/mythic purchases are gonna last. Once you've got 4 x Necropotence, you're probably good for the rest of the time you care to play arena. Big upfront cost, but holds value well if you're smart about your picks.

[@domri4203]

I've built 6-8 decks with necro.

[@thomgizziz]

Standard at times is just as "expensive"

[@alexandrelima2766]

Why can't i find the teaching arena zoomers about necro video?

[@jamesseals70]

so i see the appeal of roiling vortex especially with the free spell hate but if its main job is life gain prevention could skull crack be used in its place (assuming its on mtga i actually dont know if it is)

[@littlel9906]

i dont see the issue with the leyline, most games arent going long enough that casting it turn 4 would be relevant anyways. plus it seems to be intended to sacrifice during the beseech the mirror loop

[@rivithewarlock]

I've been playing a lot of Rakdos burn, you don't actually need Bowmasters! I've been playing with Hopeless Nightmare's and Okiba Reckoner Raids and they are great, especially in the mirror. They also make it way easier to get delirium off as there's more enchantments to get into the yard. Bowmasters is by no means bad, but I only play it in the sideboard.

[@gcleeman]

Seth just playing poorly and giving up when an opponent might have uro is disappointing

[@TheCommandSphere]

I’ve been playing budget reanimator in timeless with Troll of Lhazad dum

[@njnjhjh8918]

Out of all the cards in Timeless, Minsc and Boo seem like my most hated. Probably not most OP, but it's like, what do you even do against that raw power? It doesn't even have to waste a loyalty ability activation on making a creature! It's just a 4/4 with haste every turn.

[@draccuzhc7113]

in RW u can also play sunbaked Canyon :) also in Mono red u can play sunbaked canyon and/or fiery islet

[@estersl8049]

Can you make a video about Deck historic brawl?

[@79awinkler]

53:25 what video are you talking about? I can’t find it

[@colinhofer7830]

I love The Magic Mirror. It does take a while o get going, but I play it in control deck with a lot of wraths. I've got it up to 7 counters before. A new hand every turn is pretty nuts!

[@FrankDTank16]

@22:50, opponent cracked the fetch in response to you playing roiling vortex, they lost life so you could've played light up the stage if you wanted to risk them not having uro.

[@luna6315]

i think my thing with pure burn in this format is that it just feels awful in the deathright shaman format

[@SharpsBox]

Using your template, I built a BO1 with no rares, it runs ok. After I added a few of the rares in my collection it runs alot better. Hasty creatures work pretty well too. No I only have 2 mythic WC left. Nothing else. Lol

[@RIHTZ]

that merfolk matchup was brutal 😭

[@enmanuelrondon9700]

Do people who play monored to grind up the deck they want actually move on from it? Whatever you are shooting for will be slower / require more thought on the ladder than just going back to grinding with monored.

[@monogreen]

I found Tainted Pact to be a good entry deck coming from mostly playing Historic Brawl. I had a ton of one-ofs so I found making any regular deck to require more wild cards than I had.

[@drjjloveman]

Eidolon just does way too much damage to myself that i dont like to use it.

[@johnmeier1]

At least Seth could have played it in the right order 😂

[@eldercleric]

I dont think bauble is as good as people say. I feel its a wasted slot escpecially in burn. I'd rather have shock there. Also wastes a lot of time with annoying triggers.

[@Randomperson-pk3ce]

I think that its actually kinda fine that lightning bolt is a rare. If boring Brazen Borrower is a mythic, then literally the best burn spell ever, for all time, can be rare.

[@blacknova23]

Where is the necro video we was mentioning? Teaching arena zoomers about necro?

[@Majdjejsneei4]

I was just thinking this; I actually came back to the comments because I realized it's not actually on youtube and wondering if I just missed it

[@blacknova23]

@@Majdjejsneei4 Same here i checked all the channels just to be sure but didn't see anything.

[@AkodoNoEyes]

I like Burning Hands in the sideboard. 2 mana for 6 against some of the most annoying cards to play against.

[@discoveringreality4988]

Why would you take the seating blood out. It's like the only way you could burn the leyline of sanctity player.

[@kevinciccoli7052]

I both love and HATE bowmaster at the same time.

[@Alex_Simpson711]

Can we do a timeless oops all spells deck in. Timeless or a timeless goblin char belcher in timeless if theyre both legal in this format on this channel sometime

[@Michaeljohnson-ph6mg]

You forgot tomods crypt exiles graveyards. But it's all good

[@ArclightStorm]

As a person who has one copy of ragavan from getting a lucky pull, what should i cut for it

[@filipvanopstal7601]

This was painfull to watch because of all the Eidolon and Light Up the Stage punts.

[@natejablonski]

I don't mind the Leyline in the 60 of the storm deck considering Beseech can bargain it.

[@ericvernon1182]

I like burn...maybe I'll craft this up and play some Timeless...

[@zachgray4767]

1 Ramunap Ruin 💀😭

[@domri4203]

Try mono black burn with necro.

[@qwertasdfg3447]

making lighting bolt rare is such a joo move from wizards

[@cuddlequeen3225]

Full send into R/B/W for upgrade. Why not.

[@Loiss]

Do you also have a list with the full upgrades?

[@gnarlybonesful]

Don't craft lightning helix it's coming in karlov manor

[@Animalfoot]

Goes to show that 10 cent burn can always win in any meta

[@Zaqzorn]

Bauble isn’t the best choice for the deck imo

[@AndrewRaia]

Why not side in tormods crypt against Uro?

[@RIHTZ]

okay but actually the domain matchup 😭😭😭

[@simonnichols976]

I'm confused. Why sub in roiling vortex for uro, but not tormods crypt? also isnt crypt good agaisnt lhoyf decks?

[@MuhamadSyazwanBinShamsulBahri]

Wouldn't Sulfuric Vortex be a better replacement to Roiling Vortex since it requires no mana for lifegain hate?

[@littlel9906]

its not on arena

[@natejablonski]

Sulfuric also costs 3 mana to cast, and with this few lands that matters. It also doesn't punish the free spells, which as we saw against the storm deck is important. Roiling is almost strictly better.

[@blueredlover1060]

Bauble draws at the beginning of the next upkeep, so it's probably worth the gamble with DRC.

[@LoonerFlight]

It's a lesson repeated throughout the ages. If you wanna build a cheap deck, build burn.

[@lightningcreep]

The best part about trying out this deck has been running into all the upgraded versions of this, and strangely the original budget version has a great win percentage into it's beefier brother.

[@taylortate8100]

Ah a good old fashion fish fry.

[@jovitdc4352]

How do you get the modern cards from mtg arena? i want to build this deck.

[@ManaMoot]

Another Budget magic episode lets go!

[@davidwipperfurth8465]

Maybe swap-out Bauble for Crypt against goyf/uro?

[@BrunoNunes83]

can someone timetag first lightning bolt of this video, please?

[@CDShap]

I made a timeless version of the goblin deck you built a little while ago and am winning games. I doubt I could rank up very far with it, but I am having fun.

[@SharpsBox]

Got a list? How many rare WCs?

[@rhettk6263]

I was waiting for him to say blood moon as an upgrade

[@MrWh33lz]

Bolting self for prowess is a very me thing to do😊

[@jordansmith3809]

Been playing this deck since day 1

[@Michael-ne2bl]

This format *needs* price of progress