Can Americans Agree on How to Settle the Ukraine War?

[@Ogole-oye]

Russia has never set out as a goal to conquer the entire Ukraine, that was a Western claim. Part of the problem with thia conflict is that the one side sets its own baseless assumed goals for Russia then go and spend entire days discussing those assumed positions. Russia's objectives were very clear and I'd argue they are making steady progress towards their goals. Russia is not opposed to diplomacy, it's the West who want to keep it going. Russia is content fighting this attritional war for long seeing as they are in a stronger position. The West needs to understand Ukraine's aunique threat to Russian security structure. So Russia will ensure it doesn't grow in strength and it is not a putin thing it is a Russian security issue.

[@peterjensen3076]

The western claims are converted into russian goals; look at the assumed red lines, the assumed goal of conquering Ukraine, the assumed goal of taking Kiev in three days. Assumptions built to catch the future talking points.

[@MrBAchompBAchomp]

Weird cuz they went all the way to Kiv for wat?

[@archieblair8728]

Agree. Some very well informed people making comments here. Can't say the same about the panel.

[@Inchaos42]

Russia is not opposed to diplomacy so they have started aggressive war, annexed Ukrainian territory and openly claiming that Ukraine has no right to exist, which is open genocidal rhetoric.

[@Inchaos42]

Why not throw to garbage Ukrainian security problems in favor to Russian security concerns? Right?

[@terrytavita872]

Watching brics summit in kazan. Russia was never at any point isolated.

[@vk2im9]

Without Maidan (Feb-2014) there would not be annexation of Crimea (March-2014). If Minsk-2 was implemented then Donbas would be part of the Ukrainian Federation as autonomous territory (own language, own books in schools). If Istanbul’s agreement was signed (April-2022) then Donbas would be still on the table as independent territories and there would not be any referendums in these 4 oblasts to be absorbed into Russia (Sep-2022). More Ukraine fights then more they going to lose

[@BluesManPeich]

Exactly this. It's essential to understand the chronology of events. Only so can one see who really has pushed this carnage of a war.

[@mic4rap]

Beautifully stated.. Thanks

[@GuyUnderTheBridge]

The Maidan was a trigger but not for the reason you seem to think. What it did was pave the way for the US-Ukraine partnership to develop Ukraine’s newly-discovered energy reserves which is an existential threat to Putin’s power structure and government. The US’s foriegn policy goal is to disconnect Russia from Europe which has been mostly accomplished which is why the US continues to prop up Ukraine. Ukraine post-Maidan is focused on their long term goal of taking over the energy export market to Europe. Without understanding the real issue no one can discuss the war or resolutions in a real way.

[@vk2im9]

Russia never was or is interested in Ukrainian territory as such. Russia is after the geopolitical control of Ukraine. And if that bridge is too far, then Russia wants to eliminate a threat from West/Ukraine. All these de-* and no Nato. The war can end today if Russia had all the security guarantees from Ukraine/West. Russia is not interested in occupying Belarus either. Russia is big enough and rich enough. But if Russia has to take Ukrainian territories to achieve their goals then Russia will keep that territory

[@ebb_]

You’ve common sense! Kudos

[@considerthis7712]

Which goals specifically.

[@MJGMJGMJG]

@@considerthis7712 The ones which he/she mentioned earlier.

[@archieblair8728]

100% I agree.

[@jimcroft3633]

russia does not want NATO on its border. Putin stated as much in 2008. Watch a variety of stuff on KZbin and get an actual education in foreign affairs

[@bobcougar77]

6:13 George starts the argument with false premises 1. That Russia intends to conquer all of Ukraine. 2. That Russia won't be able to govern said conquered Territory. 3. That governing said territory would take a militarily force many times what Russia possesses. Now established, these false premises lead him down a road that will never happen.

[@rockmusic175]

They can't accept failure. They're setting targets that Russia was never interested nor shown interest in.

[@peterjensen3076]

Well, this is what the pro-Ukraine western guys have - false premises and false humanitarian righteousness.

[@garethl738]

Pls bear in mind that these are very fashionable assumptions made by the champagne-sipping commentariat class. Intellectually lazy group-think.

[@IssabekovR]

Whenever you see any "intellectual" work or discussion presented by a think tank that has the word institute in its name. You should be aware that it's not aimed at regular people. It's not to educate the masses. They are not research centres. They are creating a fake intellectual/expert ecosystem, that will be used as a basis for future economic/political/pr gains. Basically they are pretending to be real scientists . They are not, but the underlying topic is so complicated with so many variables that it's easy to look smart when you are not.

[@JasonMeza-i6u]

Putin never intended to take over all of Ukraine?

[@robertrogers497]

Question for the speakers as they raise the issue of Russian security - why did the Biden administration dismiss out of hand Putin’s proposal in December 2021 to agree on a system of mutual, long-term security?

[@SamuelBSR]

They did not take Russia seriously, now they do but it's too late.

[@benjaminmaracek535]

Because Putin wanted 15 nations to be kicked out of NATO.

[@devrats]

Because they didn't respect Russians red line on Ukraine

[@ROCnotforsale]

​@@SamuelBSRThey do now? How so?

[@NitoKuvell]

@@SamuelBSR its never too late, when politicians have the will things do change, the big question is whether the rhetoric around the war can be allowed to change by the current elites in DC??

[@frankbogaerts4921]

This debate is a democratic debate without any real inside or /and any objective analyse. It's all about the USA and not about the capability of Russia or even China in this conflict. It's more a US propaganda debate.

[@wolfbirk8295]

Roman Empire in decline, but will not accept reality...?

[@gileschance952]

Total ignorance.

[@jimcroft3633]

This is what these morons do they bat these ideas among themselves and expect Russia to obey. That's what they with the lap dogs of Europe (NATO).

[@thomassebastian9615]

The mouthwatering desire of the Americans to build their military base on Cremia, just below the nose tip of Putin has caused all this disaster.There wase no annexation of Donbas at the time of Istanbul. Now, when they are shaken in their self assumed omnipotence, the Qi has started discussing the possibility of negotiations. Why didn't you start such a thing in 2022?

[@joshuapaul2022]

Ukraine isn't a democracy. Far from it. In democracies there is more than one TV Channel, main political parties and main Christian denominations aren't banned, no mass extrajudicial killings, disappearances and torture, men from 18 to 60 aren't banned from leaving the country, people aren't rounded up in the streets and dragged to their death. Democracies hold elections after all. Well, it's a quote from The Time article. Zelenskyy top advisers say about him: “He deludes himself, ” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that. It is immovable, verging on the messianic.” According to the Economist Zelenskyy is literally screaming at his generals at this point. One Austrian artist was in a similar state in 1945 . Zelenskyy "achievements" to date: 790,000 Ukrainians are dead, 3x that mangled and crippled for life, half of Ukraine's population is living as refugees scattered all over Europe and Russia right now, they're drafting women because they've run out of men to kidnap off the streets, gyms and public transport. NYT wrote about these mass kidnappings that were happening only in Zelenskyy Ukraine and Hitler's Germany in 1945 in an article ‘People Snatchers’. According to Zelenskyy latest statement only joining NATO or nukes can save his hide. It's crazy talk of a desperate dictator before the imminent collapse of the regime.

[@xxvxxv5588]

Ukraine is not less democratic than Palestine but I guess that many of those who liked this stupid comment are condemn current Israel politics but see no problem with hardline russian anti-ukrainism.

[@ayemmi]

The hosts could have done a better job curating a more balanced panel. Unfortunately, it ended up feeling like an echo chamber. It was essentially a group of former government advisers-those directly involved in shaping the current policy-congratulating themselves on a major success of returning to the status quo two years later, despite the immense human cost and territory lost. Thousands more Ukrainians have died, territory has been lost, and we're back to square one, discussing Russia's security concerns-the same concerns that were dismissed before the war started and then again in March 2022, when the conflict could have been ended with minimal losses. But then, what else would you expect from those responsible for this policy?

[@maync1]

Your very first assumption is that Russia WANTS to occupy all of the Ukraine. That's why you say Russia is "not able to do so." But you are wrong. You give away your mindset. Russia has no interest in Ukraine except for the regions which are now lost due to Ukraine's intransigence, refusal to talk and silly proposals. So I'll leave you to your talk now. Not worth it. Thanks.

[@murraywalker540]

This group of, so called experts, sets a low bar on expertise. This can also be said on, what would be a stretch to call, American diplomacy. This issues here are compounded by total Russian distrust of the west, including the USA. This group is an embodiment of one side playing checkers while the other is paying 3 D chess. Russian awareness of strategic planning, goals, the asymmetric nature of modern wars and the global economy, leave Blinken, Biden, Scholz, Macron and Starmer in some kind of play school. With zero trust by the Russians in the west it is far more likely that a country like India with its geo political neutrality and diplomatic nouse will be the core of diplomatic settlement.

[@HANECart1960]

@@murraywalker540 Exactly glad you said this--you don't intend to "take over" a country of 40 million people with a force of 190,000 soldiers. Obviously its to create a buffer zone against the possibility of NATO including Ukraine. Thnx!

[@quantumresonance8201]

The idiots provoke Russia to invade as a pretext to weaken Russia through a prolonged war. As long as the Ukrainians are dying for them.

[@julianss3289]

Excellent comment! Russia proposed terms in Istanbul which had nothing to do with the false premise that Russia wanted to take over Ukraine. Western propaganda from the days before the war has led to the total destruction of a big country in the heart of Europe and upcoming rearrangement of the world order! No one else to blame of course but Putin!

[@retrocool]

They may be forced to take the whole country to stop it from being a continuing security threat.

[@alex990ism]

ahahahahahaah, big great superpower being kneeled by a gas station with nukes ahahahahahahah, suckers

[@Kavala76]

Russia's interest in Ukraine is primarily a security concern, not a territorial one. For years before Feb 2022 Russia repeatedly voiced its security concerns and asked for these to be addressed. The west repeatedly ignored Russia. I see the USA (through NATO expansion) as the main instigator of this totally unneccessary war. I also think Russia will win.

[@GuyUnderTheBridge]

Both Russia and NATO are nuclear powers - security is an utter non-issue, just a childish talking point for public consumption. The conflict is over Ukraine parterning with the US to develop their huge energy reserves and replacing Russia as Europe’s energy supplier using the massive Soviet pipeline infrastructure controlled by Ukraine.

[@Kavala76]

@@GuyUnderTheBridge I agree that Ukrainian resources are a significant, but not main, factor for the US . For Russia it was security i.e. US missiles 5 minutes away. It happened the other way round in 1962 with Cuba, and look how the US reacted then.

[@John-ol5vk]

You want the conflicts in Ukraine & Israel to end?? Then talk to the Leaders of the U.S. & NATO and tell them to STOP PLAYING GAMES and just End these Conflicts NOW!!! The majority of people around the world are getting "Sick & Tired" of all these Conflicts!! We all want to see PEACE!!! And we want to see it happen NOW!!!

[@scottn1405]

Silly comment. The US/NATO have no ability to end both conflicts and none to even end the Ukraine war.

[@yuribudnyatsky3450]

These people don't understand anything about this war. Or pretend they don't.

[@JeeeeeZ289]

They pretend they don’t

[@sergent.8283]

Most of Westerners, like politicians always see things through their own ways and believe everyone does the same, then start acting as well as making decisions accordingly. On the other end, Russians like Chinese start by understanding the goals of their opponents, then study seriously their ways of thinking, their means, then anticipate their actions and think way ahead.

[@joshuapaul2022]

The panel still lives in a fantasy world. Yeah, this war will end up with Ukraine's unconditional surrender. Zelenskyy said it himself. According to him only joining NATO or nukes can save his hide at this point. These are lunatic ramblings of a desperate dictator before the imminent collapse of the regime. Well, it's a quote from The Time article. Zelenskyy top advisers say about him: “He deludes himself, ” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that. It is immovable, verging on the messianic.” According to the Economist Zelenskyy is literally screaming at his generals at this point. One Austrian artist was in a similar state in 1945.

[@mariadamen7886]

All you know about the Austrian is what you saw in the movies. Therefore has no credibility.

[@BronnBlackwater]

Zelensky will go rogue against US interests and they will coup him with Zaluzhny

[@ozzyphil74]

@@mariadamen7886 Books? First hand accounts?

[@jimcroft3633]

This typical of US political analysts. They are all taught the same crap and know that is the line they have to take. None of these fools have a background in the military or engineering. There are plenty of rational analysts with different opinions.

[@nasledje]

Russia is fighting for protection of russian people, their culture, language, religion... The question is what the americans are fighting for?!

[@tipupakoro5729]

US Blew up the Nord stream 2 Truth.

[@AlazarTora-mr3ym]

What i understand from this discussion is that the only loss of Ukraine accepting the terms of Russia. Then the question is, why did the US and NATO push Ukraine to this devastation?

[@MJGMJGMJG]

That's a good question historians should answer. Well, I don't know for sure but I will give it a try or two. - It seemed like a good idea at the time. - To promote freedom and democracy. - To benefit the US by cutting off Russia from the European market (for example expensive American LNG replacing cheap Russian energy: In 2022, the US sent nearly three-quarters (74%) of its total LNG exports to Europe, a significant increase from the annual average of 34% in the previous year.)

[@GuyUnderTheBridge]

The US foriegn policy objective was satisfied: disconnecting Russia from the European energy market. The Ukranian objective of building up their own energy reserves and replacing Russia and Europe’s supplier is also being stymied so the ultimate policy goal will be to secure Ukraine enough to continue that development - but for now the US is happy with the outcome. That is why Lend Lease ended without renewal and not a dollar spent on it and why the US seems strangely comfortable with letting things go on they was they have. Ukraine is losing but as long as they are kept minimally in the fight and as long as their government doesn’t collapse than the US is WINNING. No one in public discourse deals with basic US policy objectives.

[@angelokoschier]

They believed their own thoughts how the conflict would unfold - The war, sanctions and war casualties would cause a crumbling of Russian society, toppling the government. Then the "White Hats" would stream in, welcomed by the poor, deprived Russians, promising them a better life and invited to take over the resources. Hearsay is the Ukrainian chief already sold everithing that is worthwhile to Black Rock et al. What the USand the Brit's sends in weapons and $ to pay the Ukrainian Govt are "loans". Only Europeans make "gifts"

[@tradingwizard562]

You didn't want to talk in 2022 , felt all confident that you all will roll over Russia , sent bojo there to put pressure , now you want to talk , want to negotiate , want to get lasting peace , want an European security architecture and security and all that 😂 . What happened to the so called powerful west 😂 , gone chicken eh ?? . 😂

[@SR-lh4rm]

"Isolationism" can't be defined in any way that isn't pure caricature. On the other hand, "expansionism" has a fairly clear meaning and used to be called "imperialism" but that is considered obtuse now. Military expansionism is what we should be assessing in light of this debacle. But we won't. NATO is already being repurposed for the Asia Pacific theater for the next war. We just never learn. Military alliances are inherently destabilizing for the countries that commit to them. They divert state resources towards an unbounded foreign policy goal. What is the goal of the military alliance? "Security"? Security is an abstraction, not a defined goal. Militaries can defend territory and reimpose law where there is a breakdown; they cannot be used to project power.

[@johnhigson6206]

Absolutely. NATO with perpetually grimacing Stubby has got to go.

[@osmqsabbi5497]

Your sanctions is nothing to Russia. Russia is doing much better after sanctions, they got china and brics.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ChrisoKyriacou]

Seeing that America started this war by not respecting Russias objections to erecting American bases and missiles which could hit Moscow and now that Russia has defeated America and NATO they should be so lucky if Putin even considers talking to any American politician. They’ve lied to him so many times.

[@joesephsmith7991]

Americans have all they can do to handle their own affairs. Never mind trying to solve the problems of other nations.

[@fokthewef]

Why the f should it be an American concern in the first place? It's not on their continent and specifically not their war.

[@retrocool]

In fairness, they did start it

[@liiv3354]

​@retrocool in fairness, Russia did not 'start' this! This didn't start with the invasion 8n February, 2022.

[@fokthewef]

@@liiv3354 yes US started it. So if they end sending stuff to Ukraine the war will just die out.. and everyone should just let Russia, Ukraine and the UN sit down and sort this out. Enough meddling

[@retrocool]

@@liiv3354 yes, USA started it, that's what I meant.

[@verakehrli5636]

Victoria Nuland, and therefore the US, started this war. Somehow she managed convincing all presidents from either party to do this.

[@JMack1053]

Imagine if Russia put missiles in Cuba oh wait they tried and we almost had a nuclear war. Hmmm missiles in Germany pointed at Russia, how should they react??

[@wolfbirk8295]

Hello J.F. Kenneday....?

[@zackmilic]

Reporters need to be factual before opening their mouth. Your introduction is misguided. Not good enough.

[@jdg9999]

"it also needs to be a Ukraine that is slowly integrating into the Euro Atlantic community" - lol, you mean an American vassal state.

[@verakehrli5636]

Europe needs to grow up and get rid of the US dominance and control.

[@denisalvarado9991]

Do you think Russia’s behavior is for the most part reactive to ours or the other way around? The reason for the question is because I heard one of the panelists say at the end that Russia does things that are contrary to US interests and that’s why we need to engage with them. However it seems to me that the Russians are mainly reacting to actions on our part that they see as threatening their security and development. In other words the “containment strategy that we seem to follow as it relates to other major international powers ie Russia and China produce reactions on their part that we then accuse them for. The whole Ukrainian and Georgia debacles are great examples of this. This approach does not work in the current era in part because Russia and China have develop their links with other countries, their economies, and militaries to the point that they can resist pressure from America and Europe. One can just look at BRICS to see where China and Russia stand with the rest of the world. On top of that, at the same time Europe has become weaker in all areas. We must come to that realization and put forward a new strategy where we can coexist in peace and security and manage our relationships in a more responsible way.

[@verakehrli5636]

This war was started by Ukraine in 2014, triggered by the US. Rusdia is only reacting and trying to stop the war initiated by the US.

[@petr9568]

My gosh, by the time you introduce them , I’m gonna retire, yeah and listening to the panel makes me look for a specific word to describe liberals, out of one side of their mouth they’re saying they’re caring, kind, and they want to help everybody, out of other side of their mouth they’re willing to sacrifice any body for their own peace and security, if we need to feed Ukrainians to the Russian bear, then so be it, as long as we gonna come out of it in one piece, but the liberals been using drugs too much there brain has been affected by it. They don’t realize dictators never care for their own people, and they begin wars to extend their own power to the rest of their lives, Putin will fight as long as he has to, and he will go past Ukraine but then it’ll be too late. I think it’s already too late

[@BronnBlackwater]

Whenever these political hacks talk about US "Leadership", what they really mean is US dominance, AKA US putting missiles on your border, a carrier battlegroup in your waters, and their banks in your economic system so they can freeze your assets or debank you.

[@johnrohde5510]

"Our policy has been a stunning success." Priceless.

[@nicoleortiz983]

14:30 This statement however callous reveals the American stance and strategic approach as outlined in the 2019 Rand Organization report "Extending Russia".

[@ennuiennui7]

Yes, is is shocking how they call black white with a straight face

[@archieblair8728]

It is very straightforward. 1) Russia will take everything east of the Dnipro River. 2) Russia must become a member of NATO. That is it.

[@tim8deb]

The first guy to question the panel of so called experts Nails it 100%. Wake up to reality.

[@ennuiennui7]

How is Ukraine being neutral is a "major security risk for US"?

[@edwardmclaughlin7935]

I appreciate the logic of the Monroe Doctrine. I fail to see how the US security concerns satisfied by that doctrine should not be granted equivalence in the case of Russia.

[@scottn1405]

Hubris and our "exceptionalism" claims

[@frenchfree]

Nordstream secured the US energy control of Europe . Germany is now declining in its manufacturing capacity. The US has pushed Russia into the realm of China. This will in the future be the worst diplomatic failure this century.

[@abhishekbhattarai3375]

basically they are begging for negotiations so that their "investment " would not be lost forever. 😅😅But my favourite zelensky is saying- you need 12 trillion dollars worth of assets? then fight my war directly. Well, zelensky has put all these americans in a big dilemma.

[@Lucuskane]

This is not an honest intellectual discussion

[@MrLchao]

After so many killed, this talk is pointless.

[@Andy-d6q2g]

What trust exists between the adversaries to fulfil the conditions for peace in Ukraine that didn't exist at the outset of the conflict ? This is a surprisingly quixotic presentation from the Quincy institute.

[@TheRussianAngle]

If anyone has great hopes for either Trump or Harris regarding Ukraine the very best they can hope for is a metaphorical slide out of the back door without a backward glance. No one should expec the least word of regret. Such a thing would imply responsibility and that would never do. Just get western populations focused o something else and rely on a complete blackout from legacy media (after a few days of angst and rage). Just get Ukraine off of our screens nd front pages as soon as possible and hope no one

[@warmlycalculated390]

Ukraine has already been downlisted in the Western press now that Russia is clearly winning.

[@ozzyphil74]

I can't believe you guys say you understand why Russia doesn't want Ukraine in NATO but then proceed to pay short shrift to how the continuous efforts to bring them in led to this disastrous conflict. How do you square that circle?

[@ozzyphil74]

I'll push back on the response to the question on whether Putin would have invaded under Trump. While the responder was correct in my view to suggest it was more driven by events on the ground such as the dejure addition of Ukraine to NATO through training and modernization programs and exercises, which was making the UA more effective in the Donbass, the response left out that the Russians did try to first negotiate (or gave an ultimatum depending on how you see it) regarding the proposed security architecture necessary to avoid a conflict. The US under Biden dismissed this out of hand. I believe Trump would have been more bellicose but he may actually have negotiated in good faith and reached some sort of accommodation that might have satisfied the Russians.

[@DragoM128]

I had great expectations from George,but at least he's self destroy the argument that Russia is interested in marching to Berlin or worse to London,to solve the knife crimes and the winter subsidiaries for pensioners 😅

[@yuribudnyatsky3450]

Now they're talking about diplomatic solution. Wondering what they were talking about this situation two and a half years ago. I'm sure it was completely different rhetorics.

[@wildandwooly]

You start by saying: "The Western world is right and Russia is wrong". Russia didn't enter Ukraine without reason. This didn't happen in a vacuum. Our leaders had a grand strategy that began at the end of WW2. The gist was to contain Russia by encirclement from the West and the East. Clinton was the first administration to embark on this plan by ignoring the Berlin agreement and allowing NATO to advance Eastward. We are doing to other countries what we would not allow to us. So, we start by breaking a commandment. Russia said, "We don't accept Ukraine in NATO" and that is our reality. The Quincy Institute is a hodge-podge of unrealistic ideas in a fairy tale framework. They think the US is more powerful than it actually is. We are on the downhill pull to another failed empire. Our population is preoccupied with making ends meet and barely paying attention to the constant propaganda put out by this exercise-in-utility of a government whose main job seems to be to keep us in the mushroom darkness. You act like you can snap your fingers and Russia will comply. You are living in a past century and believing your own propaganda.

[@jimfast5921]

I don’t understand, they keep talking about negotiating with Russia now when in 2022 in Istanbul Russia gave them a deal no nato no territorial lost which was very favorable deal to Ukraine and the west , and west denied it what are talking about now

[@timmccarthy982]

A much better question; Why do Americans have an opinion, a say or any involvement in Ukraine since 1991 and in the Ukraine war? Russia did not attack the US. Ukraine is not in NATO and Ukraine is not a US ally. All Ukraine should have ever been to Americans was a travel brochure at a Travel agency. Both Americans and Ukrainians would have been far better off today.

[@maxheadrom3088]

24:00 I'm from Latin America and I would worry a lot if Ukraine joined NATO. The reason is the possibility of the US to put ABM systems at only 2 minutes from a large part of Russia's nuclear strategic arsenal. ABMs on that position increase the risk of serious nuclear exchange being caused by a mistake. ABMs are Anti Ballistic Missile systems - these are conventional missiles that can shoot down other missiles. These systems constitute the most de-stabilizing developments in recent decades. We now live in a situation in which conventional weapons are capable of starting a nuclear exchange. The chance of a nuclear first-strike to occur increase with the increased viability of a second-strike. ABMs in Ukraine would increase the US chances of a viable second strike and, therefore, increase the probability of a nuclear exchange. What worries me, though, isn't that but the possibility of an accidental conventional missile entering Russia's air space and because 2 minutes would not be enough to assess whether it's an attack or an accident it could cause a nuclear exchange. Even a moderate nuclear exchange involving Russia, NATO and the US would cause billions to die worldwide.

[@ennuiennui7]

Seems like every ordinary person can see what is going on in Ukraine except for experts))))

[@verakehrli5636]

US needs to get out of Europe. NATO needs to be retired.

[@lengolab7241]

I'm sorry, tell your speakers to get real and not prop up their propaganda. Listen to John Mearsheimer, then let's talk.

[@free2dialogue]

I would like to remind the panelist, who said that Moscow cannot occupy the whole of Ukraine, that Moscow has occupied the Eastern Europe for decades. Collaboration, that's all the Kremlin needs and will get, sadly. Panelists awareness of what Russia does to the vast parts of it's own population is not mentioned, neither the colonial nature of what it does. And who would like to put soldiers into Ukraine, to guarantee safety for Ukrainians? China?

[@novreis1952]

It begins the American way. Showing ignorance about Russia's intentions. Where is said that Russia wants to conquer the whole territory? As a European, I am frequently seeing these incorrect assumptions or intellectual dishonesty. But I will try to listen until the end

[@verakehrli5636]

The west has sent many soldiers to Ukraine. Therefore, why should North Korea not?

[@wj82liz]

Russia never intended to conquer Ukraine, they just need to take some territory and create a frozen conflict. would that be acceptable for US?

[@iainamckenzie]

From this discussion it seems like Washington is out of sink with the American people. Ending the war would be popular with most Americans, especially if that releases funds to be used inside the US.

[@ebb_]

The second speaker is nothing more than a fool

[@Charlemagne_III]

You know when an institute has "responsible statecraft" in its name, you definitely won't be getting that out of it.

[@zartic4life]

Giving Ukraine an additional two years of life can be considered a success for some while for others it seems cruel knowing the inevitability of its fate and the worsening of its condition as a result of that decision. Perhaps *finally* accepting reality to be the most prudent course of action.

[@ennuiennui7]

Ukraine has never been threatened until US steered it to challenge Russia. The same with Georgia)))

[@Robert44607]

How do you solve a problem whose cause you don’t know??????

[@davemccrillis1470]

Speaker number two needs to go visit Victoria Nuland and sit this out.

[@benL8417]

U.S. missiles are stationed in Poland and Rumania, pointed towards Russia. Aegis system. If those were Chinese missiles in Mexico and Canada pointed at the U.S. we might understand the meaning of "existential threat". Putin said recently that Blinken in Moscow in January 2022 announced the intention of placing missiles in Ukraine, and Russia had no business in objecting. The first questioner pointed out the reality of the war now: Ukraine is losing. We in the U S are tired of failed wars in distant lands, bringing nothing in return. Your panel should include other experts -- Jeffrey Sachs, Benjamin Abelow, Lawrence Wilkenson -- to rebutt the assumptions all present panel members hold. The Maidan Revolution was very briefly mentioned, the referendums held in eastern Ukraine seeking autonomy, the civil war that killed 14,000, the Minsk agreements ignored, the Istanbul agreement, and the major Russian goal: a permanently neutral non-NATO Ukraine. Austria and Switzerland are neutral, why not Ukraine and Mexico? In 50 years this war may appear as the last stupid war the people of earth got sucked into. I hope.

[@joechow3338]

Q: WHY does it take the Americans to decide ending this war? Absolutely disgusting!

[@ennuiennui7]

Because they strarted it)

[@ChrisoKyriacou]

Well at least one member of your panel is telling the truth. Not all of it but some of it. There is no nato for Ukraine.

[@tthex6484]

Is anyone looking at what the Ukrainian army can still do on the ground. It's in retreat daily, units are combat ineffective.

[@Lukas-g1v]

Just Neocon propaganda..

[@frankblangeard8865]

I thought that it was up to Ukraine how it was willing to end the war. Americans should not be sticking their noses into everyone elses business. Mind our own business which we aren't doing very well right now.

[@brandonlance3601]

Your principle is fair.. but no.. the responsibility appears to be in the hands of the Russians.. unless something economically/politically/militarily changes for them in a major... and I mean major way.. they will decide what type of victory suffices their aims. War isn't fair, war is numbers and statistics.. unfortunately.

[@naijojosan]

Yes,it is in your thoughts 😂 because this war is for the profits of the US military complex and politicians only😊. Ukrainians are on the lose-lose side anyway because Ukraine has to pay for what military aid received from the west which are all their resources. I believe that you are neutral to this war but there is no free lunch especially from the US.

[@xpehbam4078]

Nothing is up to ukraine

[@feralmode]

ha ha ha you are funny. do you think the US believe in sovereignty? or 'democracy' or any of the other lies?

[@AngelicaAtomic]

Ukrainian ability to fight is contingent on American support.

[@ChrisoKyriacou]

Where has this lady been. Russia is not isolated. Have you not heard about BRICS and the nations that have joined that union equals to almost 2/3rds of the world’s population. And your panel are in la land. President Putin says that you can have keiv and all the west of Ukraine.the east is now Russian. And no banderas Nazi regime is allowed.

[@karljensen893]

I watched a bit further and see your are totally out of tune.

[@mariadamen7886]

Responsible Statecraft? Try changing the politics of the hegemon and stop the american hubris.

[@bitsbobs8613]

Had to stop watching after 10 minutes , America Ukraine cheerleaders

[@WorldG-k6w]

Zelensky didnt try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, wasa massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas. If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy. Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements. We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. en ahieve eeam'be drogh Twer Brider Sean Paul faos haffed te fnd in his on Sabeina Carpenter celetrates milestone birhday wih Leenardo DICaprio meme cake Who didnt want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time Russia's national security was compromised once nato began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining nato was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns. NATO is not a defensive alliance. Nato illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter). 20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster? Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest. Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incidet in Poland. Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, "Our children will go to schools and kindergartens theirs will hide in the basements". Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it. Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace. Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list. Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list. There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors beina present. Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) RIP The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims). The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion. I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written. Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked It's super easy to just follow Western media and believe everything they say without even bothering to look for solid proof to understand each conflict. And if someone actually tries to argue using truthful facts, why don't we just educate ourselves before jumping into the discussion? I can totally give you a full explanation, with proof, of why the United States got involved in Ukraine after World War II and how that led to the conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

[@iammayaguru]

Hard power do not get you anywhere. Use diplomacy!

[@ansa336]

The Q and A was worth it.

[@edwardmclaughlin7935]

Be careful with the use of that term 'Americans'. The American people are in agreement that they have no part to play in the Ukraine war. The US Government are in fatal opposition to that stance. The point the war in Ukraine has reached is that at which Washington finds it has just two choices: it can at this tragically late stage, admit to its folly, leave the scene - a la Afghanistan - and have a huge clear-out of the cadre that has led the nation into such a debacle; or it can go the only other route available which is all-out nuclear exchange. It has not the strength to commit to the protracted conventional land war required to defeat Russia itself - to say nothing of those countries with whom Russia now has the common existential interest of escaping the clutches of the now infamous US hegemony.

[@heartofsteel7821]

I don't know why Europeans keep teling about human rights, liberal democracy and yet they support blatant genocide in Gaza and Lebanon. This is purely hypocrisy embedded deeply into the subconsciousness of Europeans, Some people call it Racism.

[@JabberwockyGB]

The opening framing by George seemed to ignore the role of NATO ? Also, it was clear from the beginning that Russia had no intention of occupying the whole of Ukraine. They wanted to press for implementation of the Minsk Agreements and had a deal in March 2022, until the US interfered because US wanted to 'weaken Russia'.

[@Robert44607]

Let’s start with the simple question, why did Russia attack Ukraine?????

[@verakehrli5636]

Because Ukraine attacked the Donbass States.

[@Robert44607]

@@verakehrli5636 If only they could start by answering the questions as to why Ukraine attacked, and why the Donbas rebelled.,., maybe then, they could understand, if they really want to otherwise, it will have to get settled the old fashioned way, as it’s being settled now!!!! 👉🏿👉🏿kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGfOY39jqZZ_kMksi=KeviLMROCFSFjTwH

[@kalin3430]

@@Robert44607 Because USA overthrow Ukrainian gov 2013 after that Crimea was gonne to Russia LNR and DPR made referendum but Russia didnt want to take them.But 2022 they had no choice or Ukrainain/NATO trained army would smack the people of these two republics.

[@silviualbisoru5749]

Hmmm… “Russia would not be able to control Ukraine, even if they’re able to occupy it”, the Soviet Union was able, so I don’t know why the gentleman believes Russia will not be able to do what the soviets used to be able to do

[@peterjensen3076]

Ehhh, the russian army in 2022 was the same as the Soviet Union's? Get a grip on reality.

[@silviualbisoru5749]

@@peterjensen3076 once they defeat Ukraine in the war,they don’t need an army to control it,they control it socially and administratively.

[@conallgeneral8136]

OMG common sense and a rational perspective being expressed at 25:45😮

[@mistman5640]

Can Americans agree to a settlement to the Korean war?

[@WazirinJosnEnvirons]

America has long lost its honest broker status.

[@mobilariorayos8067]

oo they are there just like American troops are in kursk

[@try_dc6366]

The real issue these guys often sidestep (deliberately not want to talk about) is how the US is expanding its military alliance (NATO something) towards east in the Caucasus region and that is the root cause of Russian suspicion about the US's intentions (they are not wrong to think about it). When Russians pointed that out, called out the American hypocrisy, and warned them time & again, the US ignored and shrugged away Russia's concerns. That shows the US was deliberately provoking Russians (otherwise they are stupid). They wanted this escalation for strengthening their military-industrial complex and to weaken Russia by dragging it in a long conflict. This exposed the US in many ways. And that's why a lot of countries in the world are skeptical about US guarantees want to build a more credible and secure financial system.

[@jimmymcgee4101]

I would like to thank this group for including the American ordinary people

[@JeeeeeZ289]

14:47 this guy is totally delusional 😂

[@TanDeRamos]

This was not a debate. This was a dialogue against Ukraine in the favor or Russia, pretending it was “expressing the reality”

[@TheDayAfter1984]

The arrogance and the hubris ignorance of these guests, never cease to amaze me.

[@OtisBBarry]

People like this old man can make peace Ukrainian is standing my god please this guy will make America lose all respect and power

[@glenn3646]

Talk is cheap

[@woildee9998]

Why is this America's decision? How many Ukrainians have died so far?

[@wolfbirk8295]

500 000 ukrainians dead...?

[@karljensen893]

Charming introduction which makes anybody concentrate on the hairdressing effort... after that bit 😴... one way only .. PUTIN out with or without USA . Trump destroyed your credibility.

[@dangood8470]

In 2014 Russia was attacked indirectly. And they defended themselves. Hungary was there to see this.

[@johnadam2885]

In this discussion, the question is not asked why Americans sponsored the coup in 2014 that brought Ukro Nazi groups like Azov Batallion and Right Sector (who sport Nazi tattoos) to power ? Why were John McCain and the neocon Jew Victoria Nuland in the crowd in the Maidan distributing sweets in celebration ? Seems interference in a foreign country's election. The US implanted govt. with Ukro Nazi nationalists promptly declared they would change the constitution which said Ukraine would be a neutral country and seek NATO entry. Russia leased Sevastapol port from Ukraine and it was the HQ of the Russian Black Sea fleet. Once Ukraine was in NATO, it would have asked Russia to vacate Sevastopol and handed it over to the US Seventh Fleet. The US sought to shut Russia off from the Black Sea. Thus, Putin took immediate action and seized Crimea. The Americans need to ask themselves some questions that examine their own conduct. Now that the US plan has backfired in Ukraine, the US pundits are talking about negotiations. The negotiations will be on Russia's terms. I would imagine Russia will seek to take back all Russian areas like Kharkhov and Odessa.. Ukraine has to cede what it has lost and there will be no US bases in any Ukraine that is left.

[@arthurgarcialucero704]

These are the people that told us they can win against Russia and now we hear the excuses of a defeated side. No matter how you spin it you lost.

[@considerthis7712]

It’s not the US responsibility.

[@tthex6484]

The 81% 0f Ukraine 😂😂😂😂😂

[@IvaTaiwan-u8z]

American exceptionalizm is dead 💀

[@joeneville7347]

Your going to theow the Philipinos under the buss.

[@Jackkalpakian]

They would and Taiwan too

[@JeeeeeZ289]

And Myanmar 🇲🇲