Can Body Positive & Fitness Enthusiasts Find Middle Ground? | Middle Ground

[@edwinmclellan9626]

It was rude asf to cut off that bald guy at the end though, he seemed so nice, genuine, and just overall a very intelligent person.

[@DamonDivine]

Thank you, Edwin!

[@js9304-f6o]

@@TheUltimateItGirl just wanted to say way to go on making those changes. That was probably a really hard and emotional decision!

[@jonnuanez2843]

He could have had the last word. That was disrespectful of them to cut him off like that.

[@Sparkda]

@@DamonDivine what was it you were going to say?

[@pop6875]

Exactly!

[@diquanwashingbeard5175]

Felt bad because I feel like the bald man was sitting there listening to everyone and making sure he got everybody’s thoughts before he shared his own but was cut off when he began to speak, which is unfortunate because I feel like he made really great points when he did get to talk. Maybe instead of yelling at them to stop you could say like “last speaker” when the last person starts to talk.

[@DamonDivine]

Diquan Washingbeard Thank you for your comment and for taking notice. I thought that I would have a chance to talk after everybody else did because everybody was cutting each other off and I didn’t want to be rude. I think it’s rude to cut people off. Too many people don’t listen and only focus on what they want to say. Because of this I have decided to make a follow up video.

[@Kyrisol]

@@DamonDivine Have you posted your follow up video? I'm very curious to hear more of your thoughts! :)

[@cozymoggele]

trevor something does not exist

[@Zerin666]

Damon Divine can't wait for your follow up video :)

[@neromillie]

@@DamonDivine Did you all get a chance to talk afterwards? I would have loved to hear more. It was really eye opening.

[@ponybliss]

my blood boiled when they cut off the last guy, he was so attentive in the conversation and listened so well and i would have loved to hear what he had to say

[@destinylazore2947]

anya ! i knoww 🥺

[@carsonclashed8860]

Yeah they kept cutting him off through the video.

[@Sarah-rj3fh]

There's a video about it on his channel (Damon Divine)

[@ponybliss]

@@Sarah-rj3fh thank you so much!

[@Sarah-rj3fh]

@@ponybliss you're welcome 😀

[@bethanybeyer3637]

dude the bald guy is so so kind. he is interested in what everyone has to say and seems to be super conscientious and thoughtful about his answers and letting others speak. i really like him a lot.

[@manialord1699]

I feel like he was the one trying to start a real conversation, but everyone else wanted to talk about themselves not a conversation.

[@DamonDivine]

Thank you, Bethany! I was trying not to be rude by interrupting them. Every time I tried to speak they would talk over me. I didn’t want to stoop to their level. Thank you for your kind words.

[@DamonDivine]

@@manialord1699 Hi, Andrew. Yes. That’s exactly what happened. It didn’t make it onto the final edit but I brought up a really good point and the girl in the pink was so angry. A lot of anger coming from her. Any little thing would offend her. Thank you for your comment.

[@manialord1699]

@@DamonDivine omg I feel famous now you responded

[@pfw4568]

@@DamonDivine My guy you look amazing! Thank you for representing the fitness community as a calm and collected individual. I bet, you have some divine knowledge to share.

[@MXONGJGSJK]

No one letting my boy Vin Diesel talk. Come on bruh.

[@MXONGJGSJK]

@Plen Sorry, Tyler1 with Vin Diesel's face.

[@DamonDivine]

Actually my name is Damon Divine. Thank you for watching.

[@MXONGJGSJK]

@@DamonDivine Lmao Funny seeing you here. And no problem. I still don't get why you got cut off when you started talking. You listened to every other person's views and showed nothing but respect, but you couldn't even say your final piece.

[@DamonDivine]

My penis is really small but Thank you. And when I sid day something, the girl in pink was very offended. But that part was edited out. I had a lot that I wanted to say. But unlike the rest of them, I wasn’t rude and won’t deliberately interrupt. Thank you for watching.

[@brendonrookes1151]

@@DamonDivine i agreed with u bro

[@kimbo7044]

The bald guy is soooo good at communicating and understanding others. See how hes nodding and looking the speaker right in the eyes??? he looks so nice and wise

[@DamonDivine]

Wuddeh Thank you very much for your comment and for noticing! I really appreciate it! 😃

[@kimbo7044]

Damon Divine Hoffman ayee no problem my guy!

[@MonroeSim]

It's called adderall

[@kimbo7044]

Unity Fitness xD

[@rowlinzonvaldeavilla3964]

@@DamonDivine You're a model listener. That's very rare these days. Props to you.

[@mattdabrat424]

Wow, cutting off your participant is a rude move.

[@kyliesullivan6918]

I can see that but they do have a time limit to shoot and do certain things. They can't spend 20 minutes on every prompt.

[@nickek5122]

@Thomas Cusack why the hell do they have a time limit? it's youtube

[@jpatstone4387]

@@kyliesullivan6918 most of these middle ground videos have been 15 to 20 minutes. I feel like the fitness people didn't have as have as much time to speak.

[@ecstasyxeuphoria2525]

@@jpatstone4387 exactly

[@starryhorizon4038]

@Thomas Cusack they can literally just edit it out. but in real life it's important to let them speak their beliefs; that's what they're there for.

[@kindasustho_]

the bald guy is so geniune, it sucks they did my boy like that, he was the most fit one lol!

[@DamonDivine]

Thank you for your kind words!

[@Anna-it8lr]

@@DamonDivine omg hii!!

[@some.generic.username5254]

@@DamonDivine hello

[@DamonDivine]

@@Anna-it8lr Hi Anna.

[@DamonDivine]

@@some.generic.username5254 Hello. How are you?

[@wetsocks4460]

There’s a difference between being body positive and being defensive about your weight

[@slimeb0y_]

I mean, hell, if they truly were positive about their body, they shouldn't be defensive in the first place if they were truly happy, you know?

[@Gimmie_my_legoz]

Facts

[@percivalconcord9209]

@@slimeb0y_ Pretty much, its about loving *yourself* yet the focus is about countering the established body image with a body image of their own or pushing for it to be just as valid. It makes it seem like their perception of themselves are dependent on other people's opinions whereas if they were truly happy with themselves they would merely be content.

[@andrewno8203]

the girls were fine it was the guy who was rlly defensive

[@cursedclover1339]

@@percivalconcord9209 true they want to feel accepted by others instead of accepting themselves they really don't like their body's they just don't wanna get judged for it

[@amiitojsingh]

That bald guy seems like an extremely kind person.

[@DamonDivine]

Amiinova Productions Thank you very much for your comment!

[@kyleward1834]

Yeah I agree shame he didn't get as much time to speak as I think he deserved

[@phantomshitter]

@@DamonDivine oh damn it took me a few mins to realise you're the guy in the video lol

[@DamonDivine]

Nathan Mulvenna Yes it’s me! Haha.

[@kanayo8816]

Damon Divine you seem cool! Keep it up😉

[@anddrestorres2037]

The bald guy is my favorite.....he seems so chill and smart.

[@DamonDivine]

Anddres Torres Thank you for your kind words.

[@knowethjc29]

@@DamonDivine Do u have that video that u were tryna say at the end.

[@christianjordan1713]

He also looks like Vin Diesel.

[@johnangelflores5572]

Anddres Torres i agree a hundred percent! Hahaha!!!

[@strahnbrad3979]

everyone in the fitness side were super chill, really. gotta commend them

[@aminm7714]

I’m overweight and I absolutely hate the way I look . When I see overweight/ obese people saying that they’re “body positive “ I feel like they’re finding an excuse to not loose weight . I’m insecure about how I look but all judgment aside , it is really really bad.

[@Axashx]

baby steps my love. the results of trying to stay healthy accumulates over time. You learn to fall in love with taking care of yourself and before you know it you learn to respect your body too. Don't hate on something that has so much potential!!!

[@robgrant9348]

The first step in fixing a problem is admitting that there is a problem. You’ve already taken the first step. Start off slow, eat a little healthier than you do now and start walking a lot. You don’t have to become a gym rat or anything extreme. Once you start to lose weight and look better you’ll have all the motivation you need. The first steps are the hardest.

[@alexisjb4881]

I’m overweight and currently trying to lose weight but I don’t hate the way I look. You can’t hate yourself to change. Love yourself where you are but make the changes you need to make to be a better healthier you.

[@CaseyR285]

Well, the first step is already cleared for you which is realizing your own problem. The next , is to slowly limit it every day which is by eating less. And third is to find an end goal solution, which is working out to your liking.

[@I_Quarter_]

You took the first step (propably one of the hardest) in admitting that there is something you wanna fix, next step is you don't want to overwhelm yourself. If you go to the gym it doesn't matter if you only go for 15 minutes at first, for most people the problem isn't doing stuff at the gym it's actually getting to the gym. So if you build the habit and discipline of going to the gym a few times a week for 15 minutes it'll be easier to just stay 5 minutes longer after a few weeks and then keep building up the amount of time you go every few weeks or days (whatever works for you) dm me if you would like any help/support or just find out how I got to where I am

[@markdaniel201]

I felt like the bald guy was heavily disrespected, especially when you guys cut him off at the end. I really do not understand your points for doing that. You have some videos that run into 20 or 30 minutes but this one stopped at 9 minutes and 45 seconds or whatever. You could have given that man a minute or two to speak. You do need to redo this video with a different group of people and get their speaking time more even

[@hwangyungmin760]

Great point you have there sir

[@queenaria5184]

Ion even wanna watch the rest of this video

[@brendonrookes1151]

that would make the left look bad this channel is very left leaning

[@lilj3045]

Yh fr these people

[@chefchefchef]

Lolll they cant expose the truth

[@withwilk7473]

Being body positive is being mentally healthy. Being active and eating well is being physically healthy. We need both, not either or.

[@kt7629]

yes exactly !!

[@ramennoodles2589]

Very well said!

[@mochiteacutie]

Wow, I've never heard it like that before that's great

[@diepotato4534]

With Wilk Not everyone is going to be both though it’s your job to just be there for them if you’re their friend

[@si44ll26]

Exactly!

[@endo7856]

Bro wtf, the bro Mr Bald was going to spit some hot facts and got cut off. Can we get uncut versions of these??

[@adamizghouti4777]

Endo Yh word 😂

[@DamonDivine]

I’m still planning to make a follow up video.

[@davidjamesh32494]

@@DamonDivine please do sir

[@dmytro2500]

Damon Divine, what a mad-lad you are

[@desperate_desperado]

Most of these are an hour or so uncut and they cut them up to fit an agenda. For example, the feminist vs pro Male rights one was recorded by one of the people and when tot actually listen to the whole thing it makes the feminist looks awful but they cut it to make them look good.

[@enriquegarcia9004]

As a guy who used to be 90lbs overweight, I can personally say that I love being lean and fit over what I used to be. People often ask me, "do you feel better?" Yes. "Would you go back?" Absolutely NOT!!! It sucked having to wake up absolutely hating to get out of bed because of my sore back and knees. Now at 196lbs, I feel absolutely amazing and am close to visible abs, anyone can do it, but you have to put in the effort into diet and training. Start off small and progress slowly. It's a difficult process, but one you'll thank yourself in the long-run. Fitness is body positivity.

[@morbiusfacebooklive]

But some People choose not to. If someone doesnt want to "waste" their time working out or eating healthy then thats fine too. Everyone chooses to live life like they want. I dont drink alcohol as its bad for you but you dont see me going up to People Who drink and saying how unhealthy it is😊

[@sleepystation4087]

@@morbiusfacebooklive same type of logic as saying it’s okay if someone is anorexic just let them be themselves lol

[@morbiusfacebooklive]

@@sleepystation4087 If you truly believe that then im sorry for you.

[@Ragr556]

@@morbiusfacebooklive That is absolutely okay, however the real problem is obese people and other people saying it is okay to actively destroy your body and have a lack of discipline and drive to better yourself and be strong for the people you love.

[@KoychyOdo]

@@morbiusfacebooklive hahaha, funny

[@raulgarcia3219]

Bald guy was about to spit some hard truths before they cut him off.

[@DamonDivine]

Raul Garcia I seriously was! I was waiting for an opportunity to speak without getting interrupted by the other people!

[@annarcki]

@@DamonDivine you should make a video about it! i'm sure a lot of people would love to hear your opinions on the subject!

[@DamonDivine]

Arctic - Kitty - Cat That’s a really good idea! I might!!

[@wiratama1069]

+Damon Divine Hoffman make a fuckin video about it man i support u

[@DamonDivine]

wira tama Thank you! I’m definitely thinking about it!

[@NeonSugarCherries]

I like the bald white guy. He seems so open and understanding and willing to learn

[@DamonDivine]

Hannah Akridge Thank you Hannah! I really appreciate your nice comment!!

[@DamonDivine]

Daniel Zad Thank you Daniel! I really appreciate your kind words!

[@imninyirsoldbulymeples9321]

"bald white guy" dude, i think he's the only bald guy in there, no need to say "white guy"(i'm asian btw)

[@sxpreme-2960]

There shouldn't be any beef between either side of this spectrum. There can be healthy big people and thier can be non healthy small people. Both sides have the same enemy , people who starve & restrict themselves to be unhealthly thin due to society concerns. There's nothing wrong with loving where you're at, There's nothing wrong with moderation. But people should always be motivated to better themselves, no matter where they are. Also to the body positive people, you can't force people to love your body or admire your shape. If people don't like how you look & society doesn't accept you as a beauty symbol and never will, you can't force people to. That's the issue. Also both sides hate the diet culture of fad diets and fake products that promote being skinny no matter what & "get fit quick" scams. Fit people work for how they look and they shouldn't be shamed for that like the girl at the very end was about to say. The fit community is about looking your very best.

[@stephenuniverse4023]

Same

[@audreymallette8955]

it’s so frustrating that they cut the last guy off cause i really wanted to hear what he had to say :// he seemed genuinely interesting

[@DamonDivine]

aud m haha Thank you so much!! I am going to be releasing a follow up video.

[@ajricherson1099]

I agree. He had the least amount of speaking time but still said the most.

[@mayssanenehas8085]

You can tell the bald guy is such a great listener 😭

[@DamonDivine]

Thank you!

[@SH4D40]

@@DamonDivine king himself

[@arifalrashid8183]

Vin Diesel?

[@summerghost6551]

This debate is BIASED. They cut off whenever folks from the fitness side tries to say something like wtf

[@yaya7464]

Hi belle

[@catnipluver]

Hi belle

[@kuyotez5584]

Hi belle

[@cookielove4ever363]

Hi belle

[@ogpara5509]

They aren’t cutting them off the whole time, they are doing jump cuts

[@JabariMore]

Fit Enthusiasts: Well health is goo- Body Positive: *ACTUALLY*

[@seanlynch2579]

Jabari deRoux: More laboured breathing

[@dominiquejones6758]

Literally the entire video!!

[@falkeprophet]

Jabari deRoux: More it’s like you can’t tell me that just because you accepted yourself that working out and eating healthy doesn’t matter anymore

[@heidifierro5768]

I feel like you missed some key points. So I'll reiterate. • unhealthy comes in every size • some people have health conditions that don't allow them to be active regardless of how well they eat • some people have conditions that dont allow them to lose weight • body positivity was a movement created for anyone who had a physique that would be considered abnormal or undesirable • They all agreed that caring about your body and your health is important

[@daytonericson5299]

HAHAHA

[@lilpingu1066]

Wait but, aren’t fitness enthusiasts body positive? I mean, they care a lot about their body and its health

[@catherineb5441]

Lil Pingu exactly I keep trying to tell people that

[@abratyep7717]

Not in the same way the other body positive people are.

[@godofnothing428]

I would say they love their bodies more than bp

[@kunaly.5831]

David Adesegun I’ve been obese before and I can confirm I feel 1000% better being lean. My confidence has boosted and I can finally go out with friends

[@godofnothing428]

Stang Gang yea I’m saying, if you become obese you don’t love your body. You can be okay with it. You can’t do something harmful and then claim you love that which was harmed. But good job!!

[@alice8108]

Body positivity is not about encouriging being overweight, it is about treating everyone with respect no matter the size and physique of their body

[@crazydudeee1766]

Exactly

[@randumbvideos7455]

That's not what people talk about when they preach that. They just call everyone fatphobic

[@celia-vx6gm]

@@bam68 yes

[@Auraa10]

YES

[@kadijahmcintosh1055]

Literally contradicting yourself.

[@nomg3.146]

I usually don’t comment, but this needs to be said; The reason they didn’t let the fitness people speak as much is bc they didn’t want to offend anybody who is overweight. However, the producers apparently decided the overweight people couldn’t possibly offend somebody fit, so they did this to avoid a controversial video. Sadly, this shut off the whole point of this video, to HAVE two different sides...

[@itschloeburke4119]

nOmG 3.14 That May be so, but the commenters are certainly making up for it. Thinking they know what every bigger person thinks/does.

[@apollyon1987]

itschloeburke no just no

[@abegaylouiselong]

@@itschloeburke4119 a lot of people are just upset that the other side wasn't heard

[@tams7411]

Yeah. I was a bit upset abt it tbh. The fitness activists had some really good points but didn't get to build on them or got shut off.

[@nomg563]

I kinda noticed the same thing. There needs to be equal time for discussions on both sides. It is a sensitive topic, but if you are easily offended, then this may not be a suitable platform for you.

[@kanaaraya-kjeseth7289]

These videos are such a great concept but poorly executed. I understand they are trying to keep short and interesting but please make it deeper. I do not care if it’s longer. Every time things get heated, they cut it off to a next question and that is getting me very frustrated.

[@gamertwig3909]

Yeah I literally took nothing from that video

[@AntiFaGoat]

I think there's a certain safety to cutting it short though. What do you want to do? Let people have violent verbal arguments that might escalate into physical ones?

[@kanaaraya-kjeseth7289]

Sinister Sweet I politely disagree with you. These types of intense, opinionated discussions will always have the risk of becoming too heated, but it is also a way or further education ourselves. I believe safety is important, but I also believe these people are mature enough that they can speak and listen to others’ opinions without becoming physical.

[@h.s.6269]

Yea, I think the buzzer shouldn't be timed but just used if things look like it's about to get ugly. Maybe just edit and take the best parts into the video but let them have that open dialogue to encourage deep conversations and thoughts. They can barely ease into the topic before being cut off.

[@nolz____9787]

I completely agree, this has been bugging me with all the videos too. Especially this one, where the buff guy was about to make a point and was completely cut off. It is particualrly jarring when they edit it so you only end up hearing one persons answer to the question, that is not a debate. Hopefully they will change this and stop making it so rigid.

[@jordanaguon1]

This was super one-sided. And why did it end that way?? Definitely re do this one please.

[@saintsfps5348]

Yeah

[@MrBig908]

Agree

[@coryellison2405]

Jordan Rayford random but you’re so pretty!

[@jordanaguon1]

loona oh my goodness thank you 😭

[@amakaegesimba1174]

All the have is excuses

[@jessz.]

This episode should be renamed as "body positive people speak while everyone else listens."

[@emaleighcoreyann3752]

Did that girl really just say body positivity is not meant for fit people? 🤦‍♀️😂

[@Quoteunquot3]

Lol, yeah. Because they actually despise them due to their envy and insecurities. They really just want a world full of people like themselves but call it "inclusive"

[@zaraeraesmith7510]

yeah I thought it was supposed to be about self love ):

[@suzawilo]

@@Quoteunquot3 How *ignorant* are you? 🙄

[@paige4855]

Emaleigh Coreyann it was originally for amputees and people with physical deformities but it got hijacked

[@thegirlpower1003]

That like saying self love is not for hot people

[@nikita-ri2zp]

Body positivity has nothing to do with being overweight... it’s got to do with something you can’t change

[@mellanarolita4130]

I find your comment the most appropriate definition of body positivity.

[@aleksandram981]

Unless if it’s due to a medical condition (which is completely understandable and I don’t judge people who are overweight unless if they have views like this and no medical conditions) eat healthier, smaller meals? Duh

[@nikita-ri2zp]

@@aleksandram981 I agree with this although it’s quite rare

[@yoan.ivanov]

False

[@yoan.ivanov]

Its about the belief that all bodies are beautiful. Including of course the overweight people. Is it good to promote body positivity is another topic.

[@genevievehendrie6041]

notice how when the body positivity girl cut off the fitness girl saying “let’s not even go there” she was just shocked and held her mouth open trying to not be rude. the pink body positivity girl was being close minded and kept on contradicting herself throughout the whole video. lol

[@blacknemesy]

When a group of people create a label like "body positive" for themselves it is most likely because they have something wrong with them that they want to turn into something positive without actually doing nothing more than label themselves differently.

[@jairar2587]

I would’ve been like why not? That’s why we’re here to talk about it

[@farikkun1841]

i thought she had medical condition. she should go to doctor more.

[@pnut3844able]

@@blacknemesy when a group of people go to the gym constantly and stress over every calorie they eat, there must be something wrong with them right? Both sides are highly insecure about their looks. No one should be. Who gives a fuck what others think about you?

[@Rotti17]

@@pnut3844able you don't have to obsess over your looks to be healthy and not overweight.

[@aliabdullah5074]

Body positivity is meant to accept the flaws of your body like having a disability, being bald, having stretch marks, acne, scars or curves but being clinically obese was never one of them!

[@morbiusfacebooklive]

Body positivity is about being happy about your body and not shaming others for theirs. If you choose to work out 5 times a week good for you hope you are happy with yourself. If you choose to never workout and eat? Well hope you are happy with yourself. If you choose to live unhealthy lifestyle so what?

[@heyarnold3733]

@@morbiusfacebooklive Encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle and saying “if they don’t want to workout or be healthy so what” is very toxic and dangerous because you’re encouraging the notion that being unhealthy is okay. There’s a difference between loving your body and using “I love my body” as an excuse to be lazy and obese. Yet if you want to encourage that, also inform people the cons of doing that. “you could develop medical problems or even cut your life span. But it doesn’t matter love yourself!”

[@morbiusfacebooklive]

@@heyarnold3733 Being unhealthy is okay. That is a choice that doesn't affect others. Like Smoking thats okay too.. Don't spin this to one of those "i just want to help them"

[@heyarnold3733]

@@morbiusfacebooklive lol alright. I see the type of person you are. JS your not helping anyone, your just affecting them more in a negative way.

[@mindflayer0319]

Or being model skinny either yet that gets praised

[@anthoniemccay]

"When you go to the doctor-" immediately cut off by "oh no let's not even go there" with an eye roll, how classy

[@blacknemesy]

Anti-vaxxers can relate.

[@devingrandell6037]

@@blacknemesy Bruh I'm dying

[@Me-gq6xe]

its wrong to cut him off and I think its because historically most clinicians are weight biased and discriminate

[@crxckerkid5043]

@@devingrandell6037 like the antivaxxers’ kids

[@thebeast5215]

@@devingrandell6037 so are anti-vaxxers

[@antiqueava6930]

“The fitness community is the reason the body positive community exist” is such a wrong statement. People who like to be fit and in shape didn’t invent beauty standards, the mainstream media and fashion industry are. Years of cultivation of the ideal body. It was very ignorant of that one girl to say that, especially considering women who are really into fitness are often told they are too muscular or manly, and don’t fit a standard.

[@jackoster7115]

Yeah that's a definite misunderstanding of the fitness community as a whole. The idea of taking care of your body and responsibility for your health is rooted in more than just physical appearance. A lot of people exercising a lot do it for the peace of mind it brings. The only people who set a standard about beauty are those who apply it to physical fitness, not the people who are physically fit

[@rasmusgreen2224]

Evolution created body standards, not in the sense of subjective things like hair color or dimples but natural selection favors healthier traits because thats who will survive longer

[@zachsahni7282]

I don't think she meant that in an offensive way. Since both the fitness community and the beauty community both have a strict type of guideline to acceptible body types, whether these outside views inward on the communities are founded or not, the body acceptance movement is an antithesis to this. I don't think she was ignorant I just think it wasn't explained thoroughly.

[@jackoster7115]

@@zachsahni7282 I'm sure there's a lot of reason behind it and like you said it might just not have been expressed properly

[@zachsahni7282]

@@rasmusgreen2224 looking through human history "natural selection" in people has been a very cultural thing. And because of this I don't feel natural selection disproves or proved any side, because it can help or go against both sides.

[@giothed00d]

“The body positivity movement wasn’t meant for you” “The fitness movement needs to be more inclusive” m8 wot?

[@fluffypocky]

This. 😂

[@elizabethcoverdale9751]

the fitness movement is literally everyone who tries to be fit. like that’s literally it. they’re incredibly biased lol

[@onace8863]

Elizabeth Coverdale it’s not just being fit. It’s a step in the direction of self improvement. It’s disciplining yourself.

[@fatimasobalvarro6276]

EXACCCCCTTTLYYYYYYYY

[@MrAlejandro4325]

“The fitness community is why body positivity exists”?!?? What does that modeling agency have to do with my gym, If anything the fitness community doesn’t worry about people who don’t care about their health

[@TheLyricsAnalyst]

I think the fitness people were way more respectful than the body positive people

[@simranmcintosh356]

I was really curious as to why Robin, the fitness enthusiast, sat down when the question: I received negative feedback about my body growing up was raised, like I was genuinely interested in her story, but they only showed the body positive people speaking, Jubilee needs to redo this episode.

[@atomicmeatball7264]

@@SamDNVS where the fuck did you get anything about gender from that? You people are so weird and way too sjw

[@mariaesthervillanueva729]

@@SamDNVS Bruh, must likely is because she was too skinny not because of what ur saying.

[@prathvk6266]

@@SamDNVS you do realize a lot of fitness enthusiast are what they are because they used to be obese or anorexic and therefore got into fitness to change that and become healthy. Fitness enthusiasts weren't born fit.

[@ascent8487]

A lot of women received negative messaging growing up. Whether they were the standard, or very thin, or fit, or thick/slim or big or whatever. I didn’t. Not growing up at least (I have that to be thankful for) but even some of the most gorgeous women you’ve ever seen have. Women do. Still, yes it would be interesting to have heard what exactly happened.

[@cryptid1697]

I was too! Especially since I have a hunch it was the same problem I have experienced with people telling me I shouldn't work out too much because I don't want to get "too big"

[@ghost.8032]

I feel like I'm both body positive and a fitness activist. I support body positivity, because not all bodies are made to be thin. But NO body is made to be OBESE. You can still be healthy and be a little overweight. There's nothing wrong with that. I also want my body to be strong and energized

[@aquaman6166]

Hailey Fine I agree with you so much.

[@fr2120]

I agree 100%

[@alainaatk.6210]

Bodies in their healthiest state are simply not overweight. Extra fat comes from consuming too much energy (calories) for the body to store. Of course there are people built huskier, but let’s distinguish that from overweight.

[@ghost.8032]

Alaina Atk. I think the term overweight sounds better that Huskier

[@MyFictionalChaos]

I think you kind of missed the point here

[@komboochie]

“body positivity isn’t meant for people like you” ... so you get to deem who gets to feel good about their bodies and who doesn’t?

[@bluefernlove]

Do you think "All lives matter" trying to counter "Black lives matter" was ok then? I don't think it's not about not being inclusive to all, it's about making sure that the group that made it all about themselves in the first place, don't make it all about themselves all over again. It's about people who have been ostricized because they don't fit the beauty standards of modern culture. A model with vitiligo, an amputee, a girl with a face deformity, a boy with Down Syndrome, a transgender woman, a large man, etc. Do you see the distinction? It's about giving the spot light to people who have generally been left in the back.

[@komboochie]

Fern F the comparison of these people’s idea “inclusivity” of body types has no correlation with the police brutality and social injustice that the black lives matter is a movement for. you’re reaching bud.

[@bluefernlove]

@@komboochie maybe you are right, maybe it's a stretch, but the logic is the same. I found it extremely annoying when white people were telling black people that their movement was racist and not inclusive. Just like I find it annoying when people get triggered by overweight people finding confidence and wanting to be the protagonists of their own stories. It's just ridiculous how epically annoying people in general are becoming about everyone else's life choices.

[@biscuitboy1476]

Fern F for me the problem comes in when people start hating on the other side like some people in the body acceptance community. For example hating other people because they are skinny or lighter than them. Another one of my problem is promoting having an obese body like saying that obesity is the way to go or obesity is ok, what is needed is for people who are severely overweight to be protected from people ridiculing them and then being given the right support to help them lose weight and develop a healthy lifestyle.

[@apollyon1987]

Fern F but all lives do matter

[@billyb71]

Im a smoker i love my lungs and i take care of them. everyone should be confident with their black lungs! smoker lungs are beautiful! 🚬 what does my doctor say about that? ugh don't even go there 🙄

[@afkmo1579]

lmao this was so random

[@Andrew-my1cp]

@@afkmo1579 Yet it was so spot on

[@abdullahgashud4230]

So random but it’s exactly spot on

[@williamgray5491]

@@abdullahgashud4230 yup

[@PJ-cu4cl]

😂😂😂😂💀

[@uberlolzzz]

"Because when you go to the doctor---" "Ohh don't even start." Yea, that adds up.

[@bobbyshewan4229]

Ya feel me lmao

[@draculacastle8510]

Not really

[@uberlolzzz]

@@draculacastle8510 How so

[@kostok2627]

Blue Gracious Skies it kinda does though lmfao

[@mikekoleas]

This very moment discredited the entire video. The actual problem with body positivity is believing that weight doesn’t matter. It’s true that people may eat similar amounts of calories and have different weights because of metabolic differences but that in no way negates the actual medical science of obesity putting you at higher risk for chronic disease. How was this not addressed at all?

[@thevalenciagaa]

Hi, Jubilee. The fitness enthusiast side really didn’t get the time to speak the way the body positive side did. Can there be a do over? I’m here for both sides and I can’t help feeling like the BP people got more time to ensure that the video was politically correct. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@DamonDivine]

len ci Hi Len. Thank you for watching and for commenting. I am planning on releasing a follow up video to continue to talk about what I wanted to say in this video.

[@mrbrisko09]

This to keep pharmaceuticals in business

[@gambit3950]

Damon Divine Hoffman have u made the video yet?

[@kimberlycook4675]

totally agree. Especially on the question about being judged for their body I wanted to hear the "fit" person's story.

[@kyliep5376]

I believe how they do it is whoever would like to talk can talk. The fitness enthusiasts chose not to talk. They should have spoke up.

[@qwertypops97]

Everytime I heard the fitness enthusiasts start to make a point I heard the lady in the pink tank top say “ohh let’s not go there” (and just disrupting them in general) ok 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@DanyaalShaozab]

Exactly the whole point of this video and discussion is to find a middle ground

[@Quoteunquot3]

PC thrives on shutting down anyone who talks science and fact instead of emotions. They know nothing they say acgually holds weight (no pun intended) realistically.

[@peinismine]

It's called "in denial"

[@alinalfc]

If she has lymphedema she should not be the size she is, it's only making her condition worse. So I'm confusion

[@fullm3tal90]

Maddie Baddie really I didn’t hear that once

[@Maya-og4mi]

I’m confused? I consider myself a “fitness enthusiast” and someone who is body positive? Maybe I’m confused on what body positivity is. I love my body and respect it, so I take care of it by working out and eating well. Is this not being body positive?

[@mihaitudorfazacas6641]

A bit late but you respect and take care of your body and yes that is body positive. These people are just in denial about their body and just can't accept that they are unhealthy.

[@slaire7799]

@@mihaitudorfazacas6641 plus they’re too proud and got lazy to take action for their bodies and forgot about the cholesterol in their arteries just waiting to block blood.

[@bunbacheso]

That IS body positive. That's why the body positive people in the video said some people use body-positivity as an excuse not to take care of themselves. There may be *some people* who use it that way, but that's not the inherent meaning of the term.

[@robgrant9348]

@@bunbacheso The body positive people in the video don’t take care of themselves.

[@mymysticalchannel1967]

@@robgrant9348 I felt that way too about them...because if they did they wouldn’t look that way unless there was some underlying medical issues. Mystic RS💕 MY MYSTICAL CHANNEL ♓️♏️💯

[@NM-nv4bt]

I noticed that the Body-Positive people are pretty full of hate. Like she completely shut that girl down when she rightfully tried about Doctor recommendations.

[@abegaylouiselong]

Yeah, because apparently doctors don't know anything anymore

[@tams7411]

Yeah that pissed me off alot.

[@user-vw7bx9ll8n]

they also ALL begun their arguments with stories about being a victim/bad childhood/prior health issues. no accountability.

[@destinylazore2947]

N M Oh

[@bennybooboo6789]

They'd do ANYTHING to lose weight/be in shape....except eat healthy and exercise.

[@nana_dolo]

Really disrespectful to cut someone like that, the weren't even fighting

[@amib6887]

Right that was so rude and random it was only 9:45mins

[@ivanac0002]

Jubilee, we expected more of you. Also you should have let Damon finish his sentence at the end, that was very rude of you and he was the only person who got shut down.

[@birinderwarraich1179]

they are also Left leaning

[@antoniomelton-molina1442]

@@birinderwarraich1179 that has nothing to do with any of this

[@austingoodson1731]

@@antoniomelton-molina1442 Body positivity is overwhelmingly left leaning

[@birinderwarraich1179]

@@austingoodson1731 totally agreed

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

you expected more of a channel that appeals to blue haired portland types?

[@winonapurple7957]

The bald guy seemed so nice he looked like he was really listening to everyone's opinion

[@DamonDivine]

Thank you!

[@matt_trees7734]

I used to be 290 but made it to 200. You can love yourself but want to make yourself better

[@beautifulatrocities7588]

Matt_Trees congrats!

[@brayden3041]

Congrats man

[@leigha5936]

congrats! you’ve got this! 💗🌸💓🌷🌸💗💓

[@lolcollol212]

Matt_Trees that is the point that i always like to tell people. If you truly love your body, you should try to do your best to keep it healthy and improve it as much as you can.

[@kamillagutierrez9006]

WELL SAID

[@why8771]

This was insanely one sided.

[@manialord1699]

Yes it was. Fitness people said “I-” “Tiiiimmmmmmeeee”

[@Elijah-Bravo]

@@manialord1699 exactly.

[@arb1897]

@@Elijah-Bravo apparently no one wants to listen truth

[@disturbiafromthebay]

@@arb1897 Fr, they did them dirty

[@masterskywalker8877]

I was the thousandth like

[@stevenhageman8255]

As someone that is a fitness enthusiast and also believes in being body positive- it really annoys me when people think that these two ideas can't coincide

[@elibjo01]

Steven Carbuhn I agree, they should.

[@nickvb8960]

Steven Carbuhn you should t be positive about being obese

[@SpinningSage]

Steven Carbuhn, you are right, there are so many people who are both! i think the separation in this video was that the b.p. people weren't fitness enthusiasts and that was what they wanted to show specifically in this middle ground.

[@movieswithmic193]

Same!

[@elocore1702]

Yea sure but thinking about an overweight unhealthy body in a positive way is unhealthy because then you will never change it, a better way to think about it is to think positively about your progress towards a healthy body

[@nkt.11]

Why didn’t they let Damon continue talking at the end ? It not like if they went over the time limit someone was gonna loose a finger

[@manialord1699]

Lmao this should have been an hour long video

[@nourelmaataoui880]

the bald guy that was a fitness enthusiast was amazing. he listened and made eye contact and nodded as others shared their opinion even if he didn’t agree.

[@DamonDivine]

Nour Elmaataoui Thank you for your kind words and for recognizing how involved I was in this discussion. I think it’s really important to listen to everybody and engage while being respectful. Thank you again for your comment.

[@WTFIDIED]

Damon Divine you’re a cool ass dude

[@TheSweetForever]

He’s another video on KZbin. It’s the 30 questions or something like. He seems so sweet and kind.

[@DamonDivine]

The Sweet Forever Thank you very much I really appreciate it and thank you for watching the video!

[@ifibelieve8193]

Nodding is a sign of extraverted feeling. I wouldn't say its bad or rude to not have that quality and just listen without nodding ur head

[@mohidhussain1847]

I feel like they were keeping the conversation too soft and they needed to go more into the nitty-gritty of the actual argument and issue.

[@lovelyPink464]

Mohid Hussain i agree. also #coyg

[@thomaswolff8925]

Mohid Hussain I also agree #coyg

[@ouroborosnagyok9306]

Mohid Hussain #coyb

[@connorbeaudet4013]

I agree but Arsenal is trash

[@okapi3202]

Connor Beaudet lol. :-)

[@KC-wf7qt]

This was insanely one sided, really unfortunate. This could have been great if there had actually been a conversation

[@brendonrookes1151]

its jubilee ur expectations are too hight

[@theemptypeanutsystem8431]

What that girl said is so important for y'all to understand. Body positivity wasn't made for obesity, its made for natural chub, ethnic/racial features, disabled bodies like mine, skin disorders, breast cancer survivors, and much more. Body positivity is about loving your body and recognizing that its beautiful. The body positivity movement doesn't promote anything unhealthy, quite the opposite. Take care of and love your body because it does so much for you etc

[@rossthomson1958]

I'm not sure about the "not promoting" they are definitely alot of people in the movement who are happy about eating more and more and cheering each other on while they slowly cut down their life.

[@theemptypeanutsystem8431]

@@rossthomson1958 thats not what the community is about or for, those people are using it as an excuse, they're not actually body positive.

[@KomatsuHB215LC-1]

@@rossthomson1958 these ppl have given bp a bad name

[@nabilshah9184]

A movement cant really be described by its origins asmuch as what the mainstream movement actually does. And the mainstream body positivity movement is known for pushing obesity, bullying skinny people and saying everybodies fatphobic

[@IonizedComa]

​@@theemptypeanutsystem8431the community itself is highlighting these people the most and no one from the movement calls them out. So I'm assuming that's exactly what the movements all about

[@erikahoffman2003]

i HATED how one of the body positive girls said “this isn’t for you” as in body positivity for ‘average’ weight people. body positivity is inclusive and THAT is the point. the point of body positivity is not to bring down people who are the beauty standard. bc really, you do not know how everyone else is struggling so no, body positivity is not just for certain people and it should be for anyone and everyone in my opinion.

[@allyson4483]

I think body positivity is for everyone but when it comes down to the movement, people that fit into conventional beauty standards should not be the main representative because that takes away from the whole point of the movement

[@erikahoffman2003]

@@allyson4483 i agree they shouldn’t be the main representatives but that doesn’t mean they can’t be part of it.

[@kell_checks_in]

How many people have yelled insults at YOU on the street?

[@zoemerlot8350]

@@allyson4483 but, what really is the conventional beauty standard? beauty is subjective

[@allyson4483]

@@zoemerlot8350 yes beauty is subjective but different cultures/ societies have different standards of beauty. if you fit the standard or are close to it you’ll be more accepted on a general basis than those who don’t.

[@esmeraldaabundis2570]

That girl with the pink top literally did not let anyone finish a sentence lmao

[@meowchinchilla4009]

Esmy Lesley she needs to eat a carrot

[@fluffynoses]

yeah she pissed me off so much. the only other person who pissed me off in one of these jubilee videos was that obnoxious multi-colored hair hippie in the vegans vs. meat-eaters debate honestly maybe if their parents had taken the belt to them more often, they wouldn't be this rude toward others

[@fluffynoses]

you sound like a millennial wimp

[@Gothiclove393]

Thats like saying my step father who was beat with shovel handles, wooden spoons, belts, and everything else, is a wimp because his step father was borderline killing him and he didnt like it. Like, I understand spanking your kid, I got spanked as a kid when I got in trouble and im ok, but beating your kid to the point they are actually fearful of you is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with being a wimp. It has everything to do with being a shit parent. If you cant control your kid with yelling or just small spank, then youre already doing something wrong..

[@jamesbruh8437]

@sockney you sound fat

[@oliviacoe7297]

So the body positive community says that, "This community is not for you." To the fitness community but then they also say to them, "You need to be more inclusive." What??

[@des7911]

Not everybody in the BP movement will think that the fitness community doesn’t belong. Even though they’re apart of the same group doesn’t mean they all have the same opinions.

[@brendonrookes1151]

iv never met a person in the fitness comunity that wasnt "inclusive " if they see u actuly trying there likey to give u a pat on the back but there not gona go come on lets go down to kfc and wallow in self pity

[@FriendlyHomie]

@@brendonrookes1151 Exactly. I see an obese person at the gym and I have a lot of respect towards them for trying to become healthier, it makes me want to motivate them even more. I wouldn't enable them.

[@brendonrookes1151]

@@FriendlyHomie yeah when i was going to the gym the people were allways friendly only reason i stoped was a i moved to another part of the city and on top of school fees couldn't afford the monthly fee

[@oliviacoe7297]

@@betheldaniel6738 Timestamp {8:26-8:47} This is what I was talking about.

[@Walteralexander1]

“ No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. ” -Socrates

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

socrates was an old white male

[@Walteralexander1]

@@anonymouslyopinionated656 It doesn’t matter what you say

[@rafaelgarcia5797]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. You’re capable of great things, but some choose to not engage in greatness. Some are satisfied in living an average life. Is there anything wrong with that? I think that’s on the individual.

[@kaiser4883]

@@anonymouslyopinionated656 he wasn't always old thou

[@jacobwilson989]

@@Walteralexander1 I'd hope to think he was doing a joke

[@jcpfmc]

this video was poorly done. every time the convo was getting real and actually getting to the heart of the matter, the video would cut and move on to the next thing. very surface level

[@foxyp00]

*Body positivity people:* we don’t have a voice. *Also body positivity people:* don’t give fitness people a voice.

[@vaniapinto8214]

Which side are you in tho?

[@kristinbeecher8391]

No no it’s on,y in this vid tho can u give me another example that the fitness people don’t have a voice btw these fitness people seemed very sweet chill and not as talkative

[@TheInternet8765]

@@vaniapinto8214 I am a fitness enthusiast

[@TheInternet8765]

@@vaniapinto8214 nice username

[@vaniapinto8214]

CT 5347 THX ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@loveyhernandez5203]

I did not like this debate they never let the fitness people talk

[@sistagaia]

As someone who lost over 90lbs I will say it was the best decision I’ve ever made in my life. Being conscious of what I put in my body and also exercise has changed my relationship with foods and my body. 💜❤️💜

[@pranavkrishnaa3471]

I wanna give Vin Diesel a hug

[@DamonDivine]

Thank you! Hugs to you! 🤗🤗

[@luc6152]

@@DamonDivine Yoooooooooooo its you

[@bageda3109]

You cant hug him. He refuses to put on a mask and take a vaccine because bill gates wanna control you apparently according to him lmao

[@SWORDASH]

@@bageda3109 wtf when does he say this?

[@bageda3109]

@@SWORDASH he has a youtube channel. Dont remember his whole name now but its in the comments here. He is an anti masker and is full into these conspiracy theories. Crazy

[@taylormorgan7603]

Most. Frustrating. Video. Ever. The fitness side had NO VOICE. I’m actually surprised. Jubilee usually lets everyone say their thoughts and express their opinions pretty equally but man... I was so excited to watch this one being on the fitness side when i saw the title. A little disappointed with this one here. :(

[@gabedeyoung9137]

Taylor Morgan well they have an obese person on their staff, so obviously they would want to not go against her.

[@alessias.4733]

@@gabedeyoung9137 people who can't take criticism or accept opinions that differ from their own are the worst kind of people.

[@justjulia5116]

I had no « side » I was just genuinely curious to listen and form an opinion, but I agree very disappointing video!

[@NeverNedDead]

honestly there was not much to critzise from the other side. What do you say to people who say they are going regularly to the gym, eat healthy, because of major health issues they experienced, and in general just care about the way their body type is portrayed. And even are angry at people who don't do sports. You could answer with "you are lying, you look like this because you don't do enough sports", which is completely unreasonable and not really good for the conversation.

[@taylormorgan7603]

NeverNedDead it’s not about criticism. It’s about speaking about the two different sides about what they view “body positivity” means to them. My argument is that the fitness side didn’t get much of a chance as the other side did to speak more in depth about it.

[@aprilmay278]

It was interesting that when the fitness girl brought up the doctor's office, the body positive person was like, 'oh, let's not even go there'. Seems like a red flag to me. I get not wanting society or the media to stereotype you because you're big, but not wanting to listen or talk about what doctors say about it???

[@anthonyt425]

Very close minded and defensive. Missed opportunity for growth.

[@laurenrojas]

Y'all know health does not have anything to do with body size right? Did you even watch the video?

[@aprilmay278]

@@laurenrojas the video with all the doctors and scientific evidence that say obese people can still be healthy? We must be watching two separate videos. I've done research and I can't find a single study saying you can be obese and completely healthy. Quite the opposite, actually. Studies are finding it's impossible. Obesity leads to so many other health conditions and diseases that it's simply not healthy.

[@lydiabrowning3382]

That is because there is a lot of weight stigma that occurs in doctors offices. Many doctors also believe that to be objectively bigger is to automatically be unhealthy which is one tenet that body positivity challenges.

[@maeluri]

I agree with you that it's very important to listen to a doctor and take your health seriously. But my take away of "oh , let's not even go there" is she had so much to say on this subject (because yes, the overall solution is eat better and exercise, but sometimes it's more complex than that. For example, genes, different body types, digestion, mental health, etc.) that it will take hours to finish.

[@brycedavis9235]

That guy doesn't look like Vin Diesel, Vin Diesel looks like him.

[@DamonDivine]

Haha. Thank you for the comment.

[@everythingisawesome2903]

Vin Gasoline

[@IEJ932]

People who are pro breastfeeding in public vs people who are against it

[@hafsa7951]

Izzy J i.e people who breasts feed in public vs sensitive ass people who can't seem to mind their own dam business and grow up

[@daysiaaaaaaaaaa]

Ooooh heck yes!!!!

[@quaiduncleson]

I dont think many people mind a girl popping out her tit.

[@passportonly3495]

YESSS this is a good idea

[@destinyn63]

That would be interesting to hear why people are against it

[@oliviaj9037]

‘Middle ground’ where one side speaks the majority of the time, and when the other side speaks you cut them off!

[@missondo4887]

Olivia J I was triggered lol 😂

[@biznessman5632]

Yeah they usually are better than this

[@varunram1808]

Where the PC side speaks and the BiGotEd side gets cut off

[@deusexbaby5555]

Olivia J Well then you know which side is ignorant.

[@ConorCantCoast]

I like how as soon as the fitness girl says “but if you go to a doctor...” insinuating that a doctor will tell them they are in a standard unhealthy lifestyle. And then the “body positive” group instantly is like “oh let’s not go there” like wtf? These people are using a movement as an excuse to say it’s okay to be unhealthy as long as you love yourself. Yeah you’ll love yourself right into an early grave with that mindset. It’s 100% not okay to be obese or unhealthy and project it as a “but I love myself” you can love yourself and still not be happy with the way your body looks. And what’s even worse is you can absolutely do something about it with the right diet and exercise routine. These body positive people are just to lazy and selfish to act on it.

[@juliahaas3531]

Conor Gibson being larger does not mean you are unhealthy!!

[@samuelchvojka7815]

@@juliahaas3531 If by bigger you mean the 2 body positive people in this video than not exactly.....if you look like someone who would have a problem running 100 meters under 40 seconds because your joints would crack under pressure than you probably aren't healthy.

[@ghostwriter5133]

@@juliahaas3531 being obese or severely underweight does mean you are unhealthy and at a higher risk for certain health issues. Are you just going to ignore the science?

[@nikadavenport2794]

I definitely agree with some parts of this, but, it really isn't that easy to just say one morning, "I am going to work out everyday, eat healthy foods, and work hard to push myself often so that I lose weight.

[@samuelchvojka7815]

@@nikadavenport2794 People most of the time just lack the willpower and discipline to go through it to be honest. Of course I don't mean people with legitimate disabilities/diseases but people who are lazy or want to be fit as quickly as possible. And I personally know a lot of people who tried to loose or gain weight and they were able to maintain the training and nutrition for a day or two but were unable to keep it up for longer periods of time. And it's completely understandable but no one should commend them for that.

[@Nat-lk1gn]

The fitness enthusiasts seemed more open minded and willing to listen than the other group,

[@TheLoserface45]

I’m not so sure a middle ground was found. The body pos group dominated the conversation. The fitness group were barely given a chance to say a few cents.

[@zimbobwayricckkybobby9323]

That’s because the people behind the channel are subtly trying to push fat acceptance

[@LuvThyMind29]

+Dylan Ward Yes clearly. Most of us understand that bullying people for being overweight isn't cool but telling people it's ok and sexy to become obese is ridiculous.

[@zimbobwayricckkybobby9323]

LuvCali28 Ik it’s complete bs. What really pisses me off is when fat people act like them being fat shouldn’t be a reason for us to not find them attractive

[@KJ-lk5zr]

LuvCali28 I agree, body shaming is not cool but it’s not okay to be obese or overweight without any actual medical problems that impede you to lose weight. It’s something serious that actually kills you

[@TigerTT]

They should of brought up the obese pay for two seats on a plane topic lol I'm sure that would of been a heated conversation.

[@76JStucki]

Body positivity shouldn’t mean “hooray for me, I’m unhealthy!” It should just mean that the locus of your self worth is not your physical appearance. Which should be true for everyone, whether or not they are fitness enthusiasts

[@montsepeme2862]

Body Positivity actually means that but many people have twisted the real meaning for their benefit

[@blacknemesy]

Now imagine that they actually tried pulling a "thin privilege" move rather recently. The irony is palpable. It almost went from a "guilt-free" card to a "victim" card. Everything is political nowadays! Whats next? Shaming healthy people because they have priority over them when it comes to receiving an organ transplant?

[@preciouschinemelumobelle1465]

You are right but the thing is that many if then see that as encouragement to remain as they are .it just makes them complacent.

[@cherrymarie8502]

You actually get it.

[@bushcarrot1289]

Yes. Body positivity isn't encouraging everyone to be overweight; it's just saying that you deserve to love yourself at any weight.

[@happysmiles4339]

Ughhhh, why so short?? I could watch these videos forever! So interesting and everyone is super respectful.

[@rawrbabez3]

Yeah this felt a lot shorter than the other ones, and this was one I really wanted to see 10+ minutes of for both to explain themselves.

[@SorryBeeinLate]

I agree. It is strange and counterproductive, I believe. It doesn't have the feel of a real discussion, everyone gets to say a snippet and every thought stays no more than a mention. Such format just caters to confirmation bias and is disrespectful towards the exchange of ideas. People like Rogan, Harris, Peterson, Weinstein and the others in the "intellectual dark web" got it right that an elaborate discussion is what counters the fragmentation produced by the mainstream media. It leaves me with a feeling they believe a conversation is not a good place to think, but rather to just exchange preconceived notions, and even for this to be done clearly there's not enough time. And the truth is conversation is one of the best places to do your thinking, but it has to be a real one.

[@caileyhowser1340]

Yes! Make them longer!

[@Jade-fp9jw]

Hey if you guys want more discussion that relates to this topic i suggest this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJjUnpSde76qhZo Its much longer but i think it would help you know more if ur curious

[@seankim5827]

Jade Norton the audio quality of that video is soo bad :(

[@taylormarissa1448]

I would love if jubliee made an uncut channel so we can hear everything that’s said and not just what they choose for us to hear!

[@kelsieb9509]

The guy in the tank top was so positive

[@DamonDivine]

Kelsie B Thank you Kelsie!

[@DamonDivine]

Albert The Scientist The ears are adorable!! 😃😃

[@DamonDivine]

Albert The Scientist Haha you should be! 😃😃

[@GarnetsWeb]

Homeschooled vs Traditionally Schooled

[@ifjiminhasjamsthenimpopefr2228]

Garnet Fusion as one who is homeschooled, I would love to see this 😂

[@icesk8ergal1123]

Garnet Fusion I would rephrase it as homeschooled vs traditionally schooled. The opposite of schooled is unschooled and what people don’t realize is that a lot of homeschoolers are better educated than public/private schoolers because education plans can be super personalized! 😊 Not that I think you’re saying that you’re saying they’re not educated, but I just wanted to say that!

[@jifpenutbutter2619]

what would be the argument lol?

[@GarnetsWeb]

icesk8ergal1123 I'm homeschooled just so you know...

[@GarnetsWeb]

xX precious Xx is it safer, are they smarter, is it cheaper etc

[@drewsaluk6860]

It's easy for blue shirt guy to say they found a middle ground when his side of the argument spoke more and wasn't cut off by the Jubilee people

[@JessHull]

I want the unedited version of this because I can guarantee it got spicy.

[@FaptnUndrpants]

I didn't hear anyone talk about the health risks of being overweight. Or the difference between pursuing a thinner body for cosmetic reasons vs pursuing a thinner body for health reasons. I think there is a problem in episodes of this series that leads people to refrain from asking difficult questions for fear of the argument. There really should be a moderator/presenter that acts as a devil's advocate to bring up difficult questions.

[@gnathand7495]

bro they dont have the set up and production value of jubilee they cant recreate this

[@minecraftminertime]

Some peope in the video did mention health risks of being overweight. Watch the video again and you will hear them talk about health risks.

[@BlessedD97]

They tried to at 7:10 but the body positive girl shut it down

[@VictoriaHealing]

Weight doesn’t necessarily equal health

[@borihenna2014]

Lemons 'N Lyme health *risks*. While weight doesn’t automatically determine ur health, it does subject u to higher risks for health problems

[@DepressionTalks1]

This felt very tense the whole time. It's interesting that both groups answered yes for most of the questions.

[@jakehowell4215]

I think thats just because some people have a hard time being honest with themselves

[@DepressionTalks1]

Yea. That's true

[@bornwithoutconsentobviously]

There goes subjectivity😂

[@faithyayi]

Depression Talks With Immanuel bc the fitness people felt the need to be pc

[@lucabooth9899]

Depression Talks With Immanuel yea because it's a bit weird when all of them sta they work out and eat carefully

[@alexsantiago9100]

Re do this the bald guy didn’t get to talk and I was very interested in what he was saying

[@DamonDivine]

Alex Santiago Thank you, Alex. I plan on releasing a follow up video to this.

[@hobimin3091]

Me too

[@michaelknight287]

@@DamonDivine legend

[@butterytomatoes747]

The two body positive ladies basically kept lying about the questions lmaoo

[@melacie]

The fitness guy in the blue shirt looks so emphatic and humble and it seems like he really tries to understand the mindset of the body positive folks

[@DamonDivine]

Cecilie Milland Thank you for your kind words Cecilie. I always stay humble and accept everybody as they are. Thank you for watching.

[@eceacar1741]

Yeah but again, none of them stated opinions on the "body positive" people

[@DamonDivine]

Aj Acar I thought that it was great that they were conscious about health related issues. Such as being aware that nutrition is so important. We discussed a lot but very hard to get everything into an episode due to time constraints.

[@reecem367]

Wow they cut off muscle guy at the end...rude.

[@diorbutterfly2558]

yeah that annoyed me

[@anna.318]

Yeah like just let the guy finish his one sentence

[@pjmsadie7458]

That is so wrong

[@yasmin-lx4kb]

Kevin Zhou ikr wtf

[@elliemayne4624]

i wanted to hear what he said lmao

[@Lady_bugg9316]

Why did they cut that guy off at the end? They could've let him finish the statement... And I wish the fitness enthusiasts in general were able to speak more. They kept getting cut off.

[@DamonDivine]

Brianna Wright Thank you for watching. I’m still planning to make a follow up video.

[@Lady_bugg9316]

@@DamonDivine Great! I'll be sure to watch

[@Rumeiyuh]

Y’all should’ve gave the bald guy more time, he seemed more genuine and interesting

[@supealarvge]

I think the comment by the lady in blue "You can accept you body but can be in disagreement with the health situation that you have" is the perfect middle ground that they were looking for

[@sarrafoerster2149]

The fitness enthusiasts barely talked, and when they did, often times they were interrupted. Also, I'm sick and tired of activist groups being so exclusive. Body positivity should be for EVERYONE. There are plenty of skinny people, normal weight people, and those on the edge of overweight that are unsatisfied with their bodies and are criticized for it. If the body positivity community claims to spread love, acceptance, and inclusion, allow anyone to be a part of that.

[@emilyglambert]

Can you send me the time code in the video where someone said body positivity is only for overweight people?

[@eddyviolet9422]

Emily Langston it was only one lady that even said anything close to that. Realisitically i think most body positivity ppl would say everyone should be able to love their bodies. Just that mostly fat people and people with "weird" bodies are the ones a lot of society finds it acceptable to be cruel to so i guess that was her point -see blaire white and co laughing at fat people for 5 minutes straight bc it's goOd for thEir hEalth

[@tracygalicia7342]

Skinny people have always been ideal so sit the fuck down.

[@novanuke1356]

Emily Langston 8:42 is what I think she's talking about

[@madispychalla7373]

Did u watch the whole vid? They specifically say it’s for everyone of every race every body type whether fat or super skinny... check urself before you wreck urself

[@gabrielrodriguez6333]

So ur telling me that you guys brought in vin diesel and didn’t even let him talk all that much SMH 🤦‍♂️ LMAOO

[@DamonDivine]

Haha I had so much that I wanted to say but everybody kept interrupting me!

[@21donuts]

It’s almost like the body positive people were almost upset the whole time and the fitness people had to cater to not offend them, which made them lose their voice

[@hannaleonard3003]

“This is not meant for you” excuse me? Who are you to tell someone that they can’t love their bodies and be body positive just because they aren’t traditionally marginalized

[@genevievehendrie6041]

Hanna Leonard exactly everyone has insecurities. i feel like they kept on contradicting themselves🙄

[@hobimin3091]

I was thinking the same thing😣😩

[@alexanderludwigthaddeusvandarc]

Well the bald guy is rude but he spits some true fact, there are thin line between body positivity and body overproud

[@devingrandell6037]

@@alexanderludwigthaddeusvandarc Damon is actually a very respectful dude

[@alexanderludwigthaddeusvandarc]

@@devingrandell6037 for me he is very quiet and good guy but i dont know some people are saying the otherwise, maybe they are being salty i guess but that is the reason i saying that, for me, just same with you but dont know for the other

[@kumieb701]

I didn't even get to hear what the fitness people really had to say. Can you guys do this one again?

[@mariafoteini]

Kumari Billings +1

[@sleepybb8781]

Lowkey the body positive side acting like they victims. When in fact no one is.

[@BH-ix7nq]

JIMINS WIFE that's how it always is

[@mo-hammadabunaser1367]

Absolutely

[@mo-hammadabunaser1367]

JIMINS WIFE you didn't live their life, don't act like you did

[@kendallp887]

the guy in the blue muscle shirt seems so nice and accepting to everybody and seems like it wants to help.

[@DamonDivine]

Beauty Geek Thank you for your kind words.

[@lilylitwinko2262]

Deadass I was so confused when the video ended. Like they need a part two they barely even got into it.

[@RatoftheSupremeRodentTakeover]

Drinking a green smoothie every morning doesn't make you healthy

[@omills22]

Especially if you scoff down 3 burgers after

[@varuzhankadoyan7377]

Especially when you throw loads of carbs into that smoothie.

[@mundanenames9752]

Varuzhan Kadoyan there is Nothing wrong with carbs

[@varuzhankadoyan7377]

Noah Cosgriff not inherently

[@juliahaas3531]

Yeah but having a good diet goes a long way to making you healthy. Thin does not equal healthy and should not be equated with what everyone should strive toward

[@richie6799]

if anything, fitness enthusiasts are more body positive as they actually put effort into the way they look instead of being obese, drinking a green smoothie and calling it a day.

[@nephgod6413]

Eats pizza and washes it down with a green smoothie

[@bethanydavis9566]

And you are the reason there has to be a community for people with different bodies. Everyone is different. People can't all lose weight the same. Sometimes it takes forever, and sometimes people are able to shed pounds like a coat.

[@tyrone5619]

Bethany Davis But a lot of heavier people don’t actually put any effort in. They may walk for 5 minutes and drink a Diet Coke and say their on a diet. If they really wanted to lose weight they would commit, if you don’t want to lose weight cool, but don’t lie and act like you are. And about it taking forever, I’ll admit genes do play a part, but 99% of people are easily capable of shedding pounds, they just won’t put in the time or effort. Also it’s not “different bodies,” it’s unhealthy bodies.

[@ytngillz2091]

Bethany Davis most are able to tho, watch some videos on the internet about water fasting, one of the easiest ways for people to lose weight and the studies that we punt with it and test subject analysis proved that they don't even need to exercise, just drink lots of water and have one very small meal a day like an apple

[@dragonlordmjm2462]

Truee

[@paulgarcia2887]

Do Round Earther vs Flat Earther next

[@irene1445]

No offence but there is no argument to be made there, it's like saying Nazi vs not Nazi. The earth is clearly round but some choose to not believe that fact. Bringing idiots on here only validates their stupidity as this show is about two things that you can see being true on both sides but I and scientists don't see or can't change their minds on the earth being round. Conversations can be had on different OPINIONS but the earth being round isn't an opinion, it's facts. It's like me saying lets have a conversation with: people who believe the world is run by lizards vs people who think the world is run by humans.

[@travisscottholdingmicropho415]

Irene the lack of a legitimate argument is the point. It'll be fun to watch.

[@talesontables]

lol

[@ssssus3984]

YES PLEASE

[@josephkuforiji9407]

Yes.

[@journalistisch-redaktionel554]

"Health is my top priority in life" - and the straight up *lies* to themselves began.