Can IONIQ 5 really charge to 80% in 18 minutes?

Hyundai aren’t shy about telling us how fast IONIQ 5 charges. 10-80% in just 18 minutes? The problem is, not many people seem to see those speeds. Fast charging is dependent on the battery temperature so, since it was a lovely day, I thought I’d drive to my nearest 350kW charger and test it myself.
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[@MrEV]

I didn't mention charge cost in the video because I have the free IONITY Premium subscription which came with the IONIQ 5. This cost me £13.51 but ordinarily IONITY is 69p/kWh which would be £37.28! There's an app called Bonnet (joinbonnet.com) which can be used for cheaper IONITY charges. That's currently 50p/kWh (so this charge session would be £27).

[@dean7442]

Great video, however Ionity standard charge is approaching petrol costs, if you have a 58kwh battery then that's about 166 miles of range for £37 !

[@chrischild3667]

@@dean7442 this is true, Ionity is primarily a subscription service though. Either use their passport service, your car manufacturer's subscription offering or something like Bonnet. Otherwise you pay the higher rate. Its so high, I suspect, so as to dissuade non-subscribers from using them.

[@jakeallinson]

I'm not familiar with the world of EV charging, but there appears to be such a complex market for apps, cards, vouchers, subscriptions etc. There are plenty of chargers these days, but I wish there was a standardised pricing strategy.

[@chrischild3667]

@@jakeallinson Almost all have contactless so you can't go wrong (any new chargers MUST be contactless by law now). There is more scope for benefits compared with fossil fuel: subscriptions, apps, tracking usage etc so that's why you see such an array of apps etc. Subscription based providers like Ionity (and soon to be open to all, Tesla) do add complication to the mix however, I agree, cos they do require an account setting up.

[@TommyBoay]

@@dean7442 so the real question is how often your driver profile will require those charging networks to refill your battery. The response is essential to choose the brand that is right for you (Tesla or Ionity consortium brands have heavily discounted rates on their respective networks). In my personal case, I charge less than 10% of my time on fast chargers so I really don’t care how much I pay. My average cost per km remains 4x lower than my VW Golf.

[@nxtiak]

I'm in Southern California, so it's never freezing temps here and I've done multiple 10-80% in 18 minutes, love it!

[@Danne89]

In Summer it's AMAZINGLY fast. So fast that we didn't have time to eat our food on our roadtrip last weekend before we had enough to continue. (From 20 to 80%) In Winter, the speed is roughly the same as an ID.4/Enyaq (at their best in the summer). Pretty funny how we're sad with 125kW when that's "amazing" for many other EV's. :D

[@chrischild3667]

Very true. Charged my etron 50 at 115kW the other day. Barely enough time to get the family into the service station, toilets and grab something to eat on the journey. Quicker than ICE refuelling, cos we didn't then have to make a separate trip to the nearby fossil fuel station to spend 5minutes fuelling up and paying.

[@MrEV]

I found the same! I'm just editing our road trip video to Italy in the IONIQ 5 and most of the charge stops seem to be me moaning about not having time to finish my sandwich.

[@chrischild3667]

@@MrEV Looking forward to that! Your last video was very enjoyable.

[@FrancisdeBriey]

same for me... I even managed 5% to 80% in 18min

[@adrianpike4649]

That's the joy of an 800V battery for you!

[@JohnTheBrewer]

Nicely done, as usual. My experiences with my I5 charging reflect yours. I've only achieved charge rates in excess of 200kwh once, on a very warm day here in the states (about 32c). Even on mild days I can't quite get it to kick up to rates higher than 125kwh. I've 2 years of free DC charging included, so no complaints. Also, I installed a level 2 charger at my house, and don't really need to visit the high speed chargers anymore unless I'm on a road trip. I'll tell you that your channel is in large part responsible for my decision to buy an EV, so thank you for that influence! I've not regretted my decision at all.

[@MrEV]

Great to hear! Thank you very much.

[@reiniernn9071]

I've done a quite few longer trips (3 recharges necessary....in other words 1000+ km) Yes, on cooler days (10 degrees to 20 degrees celsius) the first charge session will not reach 220 kw...but when starting with 10% mostly 150 to 175 KW peak. However...the second charge, 2 to 3 hours later will reach quite easily the 220 KW. I've not done a longer travle with zero degrees or lower... Because the rest of the year I'll do with my home charge box and solar panels.

[@FoxInClogs]

@@MrEV The same here. Your videos definitely played a role in my decision to go for an Ioniq 5, instead of a model Y. The charging rate is more important to me than range after experiencing the Leaf Rapid Gate issue, travelling to and from Denmark.

[@rodden1953]

I always enjoy your videos Andrew , thanks

[@jakeallinson]

That's impressive. Filling at about 10miles/minute. Based on my typical journeys I'd get an extra 3.5hrs of driving in the time it takes me to have a wee and drink a coffee.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Miles per bladder.

[@Jaw0lf]

Another great video and it still amazes me how fast it can charge. That is quicker than I can refuel!

[@martinbookkeeper8199]

Ioniq 5 is the most beautiful electric car on the market in my opinion. 🚗

[@danielroden9424]

i took a 610 mile round trip to ny in my kona. 75 kw charging is the bare minimum i would want so i would never want a leaf or a bolt as a second car. seeing the guy at the charger next to me get in and out in 15 minutes with his ioniq5 made me a little envious but i dont take *long* trips a lot so i can manage slightly longer charging times 2 times a year. its an awesome looking car !

[@fabrad72]

Love your content!

[@MrEV]

Thanks so much!

[@marvinsamuels1237]

Great to see it in action. As you said, it’s just a shame it’s only during optimal temperatures.

[@howieb2001]

Thank you for another interesting and enlightening video. I have an Ioniq 5 Long Range but embarrassingly practically all my charging is done at home or on a granny charger at our caravan. The holiday park is on a fixed deal at 16p per KwH so although it's dead slow the car is plugged in the minute we arrive!

[@MrEV]

Nothing embarrassing about that! Make sure you do a rapid now and then though as I believe it’s good for the battery to prevent dendrites.

[@howieb2001]

@@MrEV Many thanks. I wouldn't have known that.

[@richardcorns8553]

Very impressive 👏

[@Ronin585]

Regarding the video is a great test. The scores are very good. And that today does not have the battery preheating...👏👍

[@francodellamura7471]

Grazie Andrew per il tuo video, un saluto a te ed tua famiglia.

[@MrEV]

Grazie Franco!

[@juliandclarke]

Excellent. And yes certainly an impressive car

[@peterthompson99]

0:58 "It's 22 degrees, it feels it in the sun. It's very hot" 😂 Greetings from Australia!. Thanks for the video

[@MrEV]

It’s like an Aussie winter here, I know! 😀

[@ricardochoa]

I just placed an order for Ultimate RWD Long range. I know you no longer have this car, I love the looks so much and as an 80s kid this was how I imagined cars in the future to look like. Almost like it speaks through me! Wish me luck

[@MrEV]

Great choice. I’m a bit envious! 😀

[@ricardochoa]

@@MrEV you had a great time with yours and now back to Niro, as long as Flaviana is happy you’re happy

[@stephenclay6852]

Great video. I think the magic temperature of the battery to achieve the high speed charge is about 24 degrees. I said the same to the Kia dealer over the ev6 that there is no chance you will get close to the claimed charge speed in winter without a battery heater to pre condition the battery witch he had to reluctantly agree with me. It doesn’t really bother me if it can’t because I rarely use high speed chargers anyway as they are both expensive to use and to quick if you have a coffee and a bite to eat while charging.

[@MrEV]

I keep hearing conflicting information about the optimum battery temp! But yes, even if it’s charging ‘slow’ it’s still very fast. Usually quicker than I need anyway!

[@stevedoswell3406]

Hi Andrew. A really great balanced video again, thanks. Couple of questions. How are you finding the general ride and comfort in the car for day to day use, now that you've had it a while? Also, I wonder if you've looked at the Genesis GV60, and have any thoughts on that car in comparison? Thanks again.

[@MrEV]

Thanks Steve. I’ve not seen the GV60 up close unfortunately. I did talk to Andy aka EVM (another KZbinr) about it and he couldn’t stop saying how great it was. Pure luxury inside and not bad value. As for IONIQ 5, I’m still really impressed by the comfort and ride. Compared to the Model Y we tried, the suspension feels much softer to me. Seats are fantastic too. I love it.

[@computerbob06]

Andrew. As you know, it's all a out the battery temperature in being able to accept a higher charge. As there's no battery pre warming before charge yet, you just have to work the battery for a few miles before the expected charge. Bjorn reckons its 25 Celsius but you may as well take it to 30C, so that when you're initialising the charge it doesn't cool down too much. Just hard acceleration with max regen (obviously left hand paddle), over and over and the battery soon heats up!

[@edhudson7105]

Don’t normally do this, but as i had chance today, thought I’d give it a go. At an Ionity in the UK, actually arrived at 9% and left at 82%. Took photos at 10% and 80% and blow me down, it wasn’t 18mins. Didn’t have enough time to buy and finish a Big Mac! Well impressed. Temp was 21C. I agree with the comments on Video that the temp is all important. However if it takes 25 or 45 mins when it’s cold, who cares. Funnily enough tried a similar task in a Tesla 3 on a supercharger a couple of weeks ago. Took closer to 40 mins at a slightly lower temp, maybe 18C ish. Still quick enough though for most folk, however, Ionity with the free 12 month subscription and 25p, is a lot cheaper. The I5 and Tesla are both great cars though. Now 7k Miles in I5 at 70% motorways and getting 3.4Miles per kW on the Car, although spreadsheet says it’s more like 3.1. That said @ circa 4 to 5p per mile, what’s not to like compared to £2 a litre.

[@Siste_ma]

I buyed this car principally because of this

[@easkay]

Thanks for the video, this was really good to see!! It's great to hear that they're fitting a battery heater to the 2023 Ionic 5s to help with battery temperature management, do you happen to know whether they'll be doing the same for the Kia EV6?

[@MrEV]

I imagine they will. Especially as the new Niro EV has it as standard.

[@easkay]

@@MrEV Cheers, I hope so. Will keep my eyes peeled! Really great to see the amazing charging speed of the E-GMP in action too!

[@alanjenkinson7812]

Well done Andrew. Do you like your display, ie the light edges?

[@MrEV]

I do. I quite like that they’ve gone for fairly conventional screens rather than a mounted iPad.

[@mikelecomte3979]

Very well done video. I was surprised the Ionic 5 did so well. You need to do more frequent videos.

[@MrEV]

Thank you! I'd love to do more but work gets in the way! There should be a flurry of videos in the next few weeks.

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

Great video but find my 100kw charger fast enough to just give time for snack and coffee.But that car is just amazing.

[@MrEV]

Definitely. I'd argue 150kW is a good happy medium for a charger. With infrastructure lacking so much still (in the UK at least), I think I'd rather have 9x 150kW chargers instead of 4x 350kW.

[@rs82uk]

Hyundai may be able to charge a car in 18 mins but can they build one within 6 months

[@Jock55]

Build AND deliver - more like a year!!!

[@CockmageLVL99]

For most people in my area who recently got their Ioniq5s it took Hyundai 438000mins from order to deliver. (They made sure to introduce a cooler version of the car have through the wait, for some extra annoyance) 🥳

[@mme4tpc4]

Just over 3 months for me, ordered on New Years Eve, arrived early April. But I think they prioritise private buyers as more profitable.

[@roderickmain9697]

Good stuff and most impressive. I'd guess that you might get a minute or two faster with a warmed battery but if that could get you the same in cold weather then Result!. What is the availability of Ionity (or equivalent) chargers on the way down to Italy? I'm guessing you could do it a lot quicker these days in the IONIQ ;-)

[@vendreker]

For a lower temp, say 5C ambient, what rate (eg time 10-80%) would be typical ? If the charge process warms the battery, does that mean that close to ideal charge rate occurs part way thru the charge or is this negligible ?

[@martinbookkeeper8199]

Hyundai should have full IONIQ line asap. From the small car such as eUP to the biggest SUVs and limousines such as Cadillac Escalade or Mercedes S Long, not forgetting about the opponent for Tesla Cybertruck. They can then rule electric car industry. :)

[@DarkWing494]

Best of luck. Hopefully Hyundai isn't sacrificing battery longevity for faster charging rate just so it has one up on Tesla.

[@S7tronic]

Had mine up to 224kW a few times recently at my local ionity-usually up to about the 60-70% SOC, barely time to grab a coffee... I only get this rate of charge if the other three stalls are empty, a model 3 started charging after me the last day, my car dropped form 220-ish to a max 125kw, this would be the ABB software load managing. Its worth mentioning at twin type chargers (capable of charging a mix of two cars connected via Chademo and/or CCS), I can get 125kW, this is limited to 50kW if a leaf or the like plugs in.

[@slartybartfarst9737]

Never thought that 10 to 80 % in a true 18min thats remarkable, 32 minutes at 6 deg C is still staggering.....thanks for that,it kind of renewed my faith in EV makers claims and all kudos to Hyundai.

[@DearLadies]

Hi, Since June i have been unable to fast Charge as there is ana apparent fault in the locking system on the fast charger plug. I have been back and forth to Marshalls in Maidstone and it is still not fixed. Love the car but until this problem is fixed by them i am limited to staying local. Good news is i charge at work on 3.5kw chargers for free, but when i need a long journey i am at the moment sitting at 11kw charge through my own cable as the fast chargers start up then immediately says FINISHED. It worked fine in May when i had a drive to Taunton, so i am hoping this is sorted asap.

[@ingolfby]

thx a lot

[@raghuramkalyanam]

I heard it maintains its records while discharging as well.

[@oliverkentish9468]

Alas, this will never be a reality in Iceland... :-( On another note; on your recommendation, I bought the battery monitor and portable charger, which put my mind at ease after all the scare stories about 12v battery drain...thanks for that :-)

[@MrEV]

Once they enable preconditioning, hopefully you’ll get the same sort of speeds. And I hope you never need to use the 12V starter but great to have it just in case.

[@ipb1966]

Good stuff. Now you’ve had the car for a while, have you recorded what your average miles per kw/h has been in that time?

[@MrEV]

I have reams of data I need to go through! Last time I checked the average was about 3.2 miles/kWh.

[@ipb1966]

@@MrEV ok - that’s interesting thanks. My 16k miles Model 3 is 3.6 so not a huge difference.

[@bluebikerathar]

Hmm before watching 1 remark, temp battery will be too low im afraid. 5 extra min needed to heat up battery. Better than i thought, and as promised, job good done Hyundai. So for summerholidays, this car is a beast

[@laloajuria4678]

yes, can even do 7-80% in 18 mins.

[@weymouthjohn]

Very useful video thamks.....Question, which app do you use to view the results of your LELink OBD? I've got the scanner and an android phone and a Kia EV6 but not sure which is the best app. Cheers...John

[@MrEV]

I'm using Car Scanner Pro. Links on here (hopefully they still work - I've not checked for a while!): misterev.co.uk/gear/obd-dongle

[@weymouthjohn]

@@MrEV Brilliant thanks....I'll give it a whirl. I bought the scanner through your recommend page.

[@1967dragonaxe]

Now I wish I'd gone for the EcoPack as well as the TechPack, lol. So, am I correct in thinking the first part of the charging is not warming up the battery to its optimal temperature (where it can really ramp up the charging rate), it just charges as much as the current "ambient" battery temperature is capable of?

[@Lewis_Standing]

Yeah that'd right, optimal speeds at 30c. 20c or so may just heat up with the resistance to the high current and then allow the 220kw speeds. But no active heating and 0-10c the allowed current maybe so low that not enough heat is generated to get anywhere near 30c and 220kw.

[@joshmatlock1020]

Charging beast....they need to add preconditioning to help y'all in the cold weather though.

[@stephenholland5930]

Only possible on cars fitted with a battery heater though. It wasn't standard fit in the UK.

[@KillShot1001]

Not sure, if this was mentioned already... the original I5 is already available with batterie heater and the software update should come also to this version to have preheating before arriving at the charging station. So it will be available also for the actual version, if purchased with heater.

[@MrEV]

Yes, although sadly it’s only people that optioned the Eco Pack (in the UK at least) that got the battery heater.

[@Solderwire]

tell us what the wife thinks....hold on tumbleweed moment :)

[@martinbookkeeper8199]

I would like to know what happens to batteries after they are degraded and how it influences earth. Is every battery fully recyclable or there is some waste that we need to keep somewhere.

[@alancwright]

We are off to Bordeaux with our Ioniq5, where there are IONITY chargers all the way and on the way back, so hoping it works as quick as in this video.

[@MrEV]

Yes, you should be fine! I had pretty good luck in Europe when I went recently. Video coming soon!

[@husseinbashir5534]

Thanks for the video. Do you recommend buying this car?

[@MrEV]

Yes! Brilliant car. I’ll publish a long-term review in the coming weeks.

[@graemecopestake894]

Hello Andrew - what was the Hyundai card you had? What benefit does that give you? Thanks Graeme

[@Lewis_Standing]

If you buy a Hyundai EV they give you a "my Hyundai" account. You can request an RFID card and a free membership to ionity that gives you discounted charge rates. See his top comment for the details.

[@peteruk8925]

Hi Andrew you mentioned the "battery heater" - is this the same as a "heat pump" 😳, just so I get to know the difference terminology in ev driving! Many thanks.

[@MrEV]

The battery heater has previously been offered with the Eco Pack, which also includes a heat pump, but they are actually different things. The battery heater is just a PTC heater.

[@peteruk8925]

@@MrEV Many thanks Andrew

[@qrlee6762]

Hello from South Korea. Just out of curiosity, how many miles do you have on your odometer? Thank you for the video.

[@stephenholland5930]

It was at 8441 miles.

[@qrlee6762]

@@stephenholland5930 thank you. I wanted to test super charging for Ioniq 5 over 25,000 miles.

[@jamesduffy8669]

How do you start geek mode. I have an ev6 which is similar to a hyundai 5 Let me know if you can help with the setup

[@MrEV]

I was joking when I called it 'geek mode'. You need an OBD device and an app called Car Scanner Pro (although others are available). Links here: www.misterev.co.uk/gear/obd-dongle

[@petersort2192]

Would be interesting to know what the charging session cost you, would be interesting also to see how the battery pack stands up to a lot of rapid charging if this is something you intend to do on a regular basis

[@TommyBoay]

The battery will suffer from excessive heat and cumulative number of charges. So technically, there is no reason fast charging would degrade the battery pack faster if your manufacturer manages cooling properly. But very high power makes this obviously more challenging.

[@MrEV]

The charge cost £13.51, but that's just because I have free IONITY Premium membership with the IONIQ 5. joinbonnet.com is the next best option at £27.

[@WooShell]

I've done quite a few long trips in the two months that I now have my Ioniq5 AWD LR, and so far the charging experience has been fantastic. Whether it's the Ionity Tritium or the EnBW Alpitronic Hyperchargers, he's been shovelling electrons in at an amazin speed, basically staying above 200kW from 10-60%, then slowly tailing off to 100kW at 85% and staying above 50kW up to ~92%. I haven't looked at the clock, but jumping into an McD to grab a burger or two and shoving those into myself meant that I'd go past the 90% mark already. There's only two issues that bug me a bit.. one, at exactly 80% he's taking roughly a 1 minute break at 5kW where I didn't yet find out what's going on as it doesn't seem to be a cooling break.. and two, the battery cooling system is incredibly loud and rumbly.. when it starts, it's as noisy as a vacuum cleaner and makes the whole car vibrate more than my old petrol engine did.. so if I'm sitting in there talking to someone, that basically shoos me out of the car.

[@MrEV]

Yes, that cooling break is very disconcerting at first. I think it’s doing it to not kill the battery though so that’s fine by me! They should really show a message on the dashboard to describe what it’s doing.

[@WooShell]

@@MrEV That's the part that's confusing me a bit.. it's always at 80% sharp, and it's not at the time that the cooling compressor is making its horrible racket. I don't get it. But I'll be grabbing one of the OBD dongles you linked anyways (my current ELM312 one doesn't seem to work with the Ioniq5, but other cars are fine with it) and put a few graphs on my next charging sessions. Very curious what's going on.

[@jamesball1975]

How much did it cost you to go form 10% to 80% in that time uesing public charging network and what miles did you put back on the car at the end of it from 10% to 80%

[@MrEV]

It only cost me £13.51 as I have cheap IONITY charging with the Charge myHyundai RFID card (which was a bonus they offered when buying the IONIQ 5). I added 164 miles to the 'GOM' (range meter) during the charge session.

[@alexandred3188]

Thanks for the video, Andrew. Totally agree that charging depends of the temperature. 10 days ago, I charged my Ioniq 5 at the Caen (Normandy, France) Ionity station. The outside temperature was... 37° C !!! My Soc was 55 %, the charge reached 227 kW during a few minutes and, after 8 minutes, 80 % Soc. So, high temperature are not a problem (although a high consumption during the first kilometers after charging), so, Ioniq 5 is a Californian car ! Greatings from France and thanks for your fun and cool videos.

[@TheReapersmith]

I don’t know if mine needs a software update but no matter how gentle I drive mine I can only get 200 miles to a full charge. Based on yours at 80% it’s showing a potential 240 miles. Maybe I’m driving it in the wrong modes? I drive with regen off most of the time and just use it to slow the car down from day 50 to 30 etc.

[@NameNaameNameeNaamee]

The Achilles heel of modern EVs isn't the charging speed. At speeds around 100kW, the important part is rather the efficiency of the drive train and the size of the battery that determines the pace at which we can move on longer journeys. The time loss for any stop, be the charging as quick as it may, is quite massive. And that's where my gripe with the Ioniq 5 is. It just is so damn inefficient. Hence, when it comes to the actual time of arrival, it's not faster than other, slower charging vehicles. It charges faster, but needs to charge more often. So you have lots of short stops opposed to less but slightly longer stops. I think the latter is the better solution. Easier on the battery, easier on the grid, and you can actually take a piss in peace :D Also, the inconsistency at which the Ioniq 5 may or may not charge makes it very hard to properly plan a route. That's also something other vehicles do better. Other than that, I think it's a great car. Matrix LED is missing, its a bit big on the outside compared to the interior space and the solar roof is a gimmick that surely will consume more energy than it's delivering, but well, someone had to do it. Over all this car is a great addition to the EV world. But it's not for me. And no one cares, I know, but that's ok :D

[@Bro-food]

Don't worry, if the charging speed is not fast in winter, Hyundai will update the software. model year change Ioniq 5 comes with a battery preconditioning function as standard. Basically, I know that the HW is the same, which means that you only need to update the SW.

[@stephenholland5930]

But the car needs to have a battery heater fitted, which was only an option in the UK if not buying the top spec model.

[@onewheelnut]

Hi great video as usual, how many kW is 10 -80% and how many miles to 1kw approx will your car do at best.

[@MrApoxel]

Thank you for all your videos, they all are really informative! I’ll buy it, after we win the war And than I’ll show the whole Europe and Great Britain to my wife and my daughter!

[@MrEV]

You’re Ukrainian? I wish you all the very best. You have a beautiful country full of such wonderful people. I visited Kyiv once and the memory will stay with me for ever.

[@MrApoxel]

@@MrEV I’m Ukrainian And I’m sure, you’ll have a chance to visit my country many times more :) You should see Lviv, Odesa, Dnipro, Kharkiv Just give us some time, a bit of it :) Regards

[@MrApoxel]

@@MrEV I want to thank you for calling our capital in the right Ukrainian way - Kyiv This is really supportive

[@ElmosWelt101]

I know Kia and Hyundai will dish out a new software for pre-heating the battery one day. But there might be a trick: Set the car to Sport mode on the last 10 miles before charging. Word is the mode also pre-heats the battery for higher discharging ability (due to faster acceleration). Therefore the battery is pre-heated when you reach the charger!

[@MrEV]

Interesting! I thought that was an urban myth! I'll give it a go some time.

[@ElmosWelt101]

@@MrEV I have no chance to test it (although I will test it with my Soul EV 64kWh when it's cold, but 50 or 75 kW is no a huge deal compared to the coldgate of EV6 or Ioniq5) but it's working with EQS if you're not having an active route. So maybe it's working with the Ioniq 5, too. Worth a try. EDIT: Sorry, I just read, that it's working with e-Tron and EQ but not with the Ioniq 5.

[@ahmadalanjary2020]

Super cool for road trips. Most useful. Not sure about day to day . Most of the time the car is just parked for 8hrs + just sitting there so what’s the rush . Just charge slow at home or work . Also if these are cobalt /Nickel batteries not sure how good it is to blast them with 220 kw all the time. Probably degrade them faster if done always at such an aggressive rate. If ya lease it , who cares …

[@MrEV]

They must have tested it thoroughly as they’d be in for some very expensive warranty fixes otherwise! I think it could be very useful for people with no home charging - more akin to going to a petrol station. You want to be in and out as fast as possible.

[@Martinko_Pcik]

Will the battery heater be a heat pump or resistive ?

[@MrEV]

It's a resistive one.

[@mitchjames9350]

How long will the battery last and the cost of replacing one.

[@MrEV]

No idea! Modern EV batteries last ages though. There's an article here about a Tesla doing 350,000 on its original battery: insideevs.com/news/342457/this-tesla-model-x-90d-covered-350000-miles-on-original-battery/

[@Roy-qn2ie]

Pre heat update coming soon will solve your winter problems aswell

[@MrEV]

Yes - any day now! I’m hopeful for early July.

[@Roy-qn2ie]

@@MrEV last messages from Hyundai ive seen confirm release within the upcoming week so fingers crossed.

[@mme4tpc4]

So will this pre heat update work on a MY22.5 with Eco pack? I hope so!

[@davidpearn5925]

If only dealers were as enthusiastic and the company made a profit from it’s manufacturing.

[@srowlands248]

I thought that (just like Tesla) if you use the onboard sat-nav to navigate to a charger that it use’s that information to precondition the battery so you can get it to charge at its best possible rate ??

[@MrEV]

It doesn't yet, but it will when they release the software update. Any day now!...

[@CockmageLVL99]

​@@MrEV Do you have some insight knowledge that the software update will enable that even for the MY22?

[@Ronin585]

Hi Andrew. In Spain the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and the Kia EV6 cannot charge in the 250 kW Tesla V3 SuCs due to a software problem that the Hyundai/Kia Group is solving. In the Tesla V2 SuCs at 150 kW, they can charge both Korean models. Does the same happen in the United Kingdom? 🤔 Thank you!!

[@MrEV]

I’ve not tested it myself but I believe we have the same issue here, yes.

[@Ronin585]

@@MrEV I'm guessing it's a common problem with the 800 volt platform. I hope they solve it as soon as possible. Thank you very much for your answer.

[@wobby1516]

Isn’t Hyundai/ Kia going to update the software so that if you input a charge point on the map it will pre heat the battery. If that’s were the case the winter charging, although maybe not as quick, would be an improvement on your earlier winter charge test.

[@MrEV]

They will. Early July is my guess as that’ll coincide with the new e-Niro launch (which also includes battery preconditioning).

[@benjamintsims2]

I think Hyundai have added the asteroid to there marketing now!

[@snieukirk7110]

Hi Andrew....this past weekend we took out Ionic 5 on a road trip. Indeed we got a truly fast charge on a warm day. However, on the way back yesterday it was very very hot for Oregon US (49 C). We stopped for a fast charger and it worked for about 3 min then.....nothing. We tried 5 more stations further south and with 80 mi left in battery and 200 miles to go we limped into out dealership. Slow level 2 charger worked there, but not enough to get us home. They lent us a car and the mechanics went over it today. Saw no issues but when he took it to a level 3 charger...no go. Found the error code....battery had overheated yesterday and to protect it the car stopped all DC charging. They will reset the flag but what the heck! They are looking for a more viable solution. There must be lots of these cars in hotter places...oh and 95% of chargers have no shade here in the US. Thoughts?

[@snieukirk7110]

40 not 49 c

[@EV_OBD]

Maybe try to monitor the battery temperature, there is probably a temperature limit for battery, then it stops DC charging.

[@MrEV]

That’s worrying. I’ve not heard of that before actually. Have you seen any KZbin videos about it? Plenty of people have IONIQ 5s in places that fairly regularly reach those temperatures so I’d have thought others would have reported the same.

[@snieukirk7110]

@@MrEV So far I've found no other reports. Apparently the failsafe is triggered if temp exceeds 100C. Dealer thought the charger was the source of the trigger, but when I called Electrify America they told me charging station temp info is not sent thru the charge cable....so what exceeded 100C? Mechanic claims battery temp was ok....

[@starvictory7079]

@@snieukirk7110 Watch Björn Nyland's video 1000 km challenge. I think he has a fix for it. I think it was switch off AC while charging. Can't remember.

[@PierreSimonsson]

Strange that an ABB charger Strange all Ionity in sweden i s Tritum wierd But smart that thy chaged to ABB i think thosa re more stable then Tritum. ;)

[@MrEV]

Usually I'd trust Tritium far more than ABB!

[@briangriffiths114]

My Fiat 500e has the capability of rapid DC charging at 85 KW but buried within the 300 page handbook are the following warnings which I suspect may apply to all BEVs; "71) Using "Fast Charge - Mode 4" can accelerate the battery degradation process.72) If fast charging is not required, standard (AC) charging is always preferred. This maximises battery life by ensuring the best performance of the car over time."

[@MrEV]

Interestingly, batteries do also like occasional rapid charges to stop the growth of dendrites that speed up degradation. I've tested this recently in my Leaf. The battery health improves when I rapid charge!

[@briangriffiths114]

@@MrEV Thank you for that. I have seen another Leaf owner, who also retails them, say the same so I'll now give my Fiat the occasional rapid charge.

[@Masq09]

I used those chargers last Saturday prior to joining the Eurotunnel. Unfortunately I had to try 3 different chargers before I could get them to talk to my e Niro (max 77kW). Also those services are truly awful, toilets overflowing etc. 🤢

[@MrEV]

That’s a shame. Have you found problems like that with IONITY before? I’ve certainly had fewer issues with the IONIQ 5 at IONITY than I did with the e-Niro. No idea why.

[@Masq09]

We stopped at the Maidstone Ionity Charon the way home and they worked straight away. Interesting though was the fact that we tried the Tesla chargers in Belgium and they worked straight away.

[@wgemini4422]

Time to charge to 80%, 18 mins. Time to have it delivered, 1 million minutes.

[@jonwetherell5214]

Heating the battery will use power..I wonder how much (£) it will cost to gain those extra minutes

[@MrEV]

That'll make an interesting test!

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

Yes, they need to put an asterisk! Still with the battery heater, they need time to get the right condition. If you start a low SOC too close to the charger, there's not enough time to precondition. They still need an asterisk about this. Just like you started fairly low, and the battery only increased to 21 °C from driving. If you had a longer drive, temperature would probably be higher, and you might shave the seconds to go under 18 minutes. Then there is a question about rounding for SOC. Where at 10% did you start? You measured to the lower end of 80%.

[@MrEV]

I've done a lot of long distances and haven't found long drives make too much difference to the battery temperature actually. Looking at the screenshot from Car Scanner when I reached the charger, it said it was 10.5%.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

@@MrEV I guess driving first is more important during winter. To charge after the day, rather than to start at the charger the next day. When you were at 19-21, it's not necessarily that important. If the temperature was closer to zero or below, any increase in temperature after driving would probably make a lot more significance.

[@JonasAhlander]

Great video as always. Regarding battery heater: Actually, Hyundai claimed in a presentation of the e-gmp last spring, just before they opened up for orders for 2022, that the platform has a battery heater "that will minimize the differences between charging in summer- and winter temperatures". And by all means. Ioniq 5 -22 has a heater. The problem is it only kicks in when you connect to the charger and start the charging session. So, the battery will be cold with slow charging in the beginning. In cold weather it takes 15-20 minutes for the heater to reach battery temp above 25 degrees C wich is required for ultra fast charging. The problem is: during that time you have already reached 50% SOC. I've checked this with CarScanner. The charging curve for the e-gmp ramps down rather hard at about 50% even under optimal conditions. So you will never experience the really fast charging under these circumstances. As the car already have the heater, this would suggest that a SW-update would would be enough for allowing preconditioning of the battery. Either manually 15 minutes or so ahead of your planned charging stop, or like with Tesla start battery pre-heating automatically if you are using the nav. Such update has also been confirmed by Hyundai both in Norway and in Sweden during the winter in e-mail to more than frustrated Ioniq 5 buyers. But during the last 4 months Hyundai has been completely quiet regarding this. The last message from Hyundai regarding this (that I've seen) is that they can't communicate any news regarding this issue as "nothing is yet carved in stone". Actually i know that in Norway more than a few in certain user forums are evaluating the possibility for legal action. Apparently (can't confirm this) Hyundai USA will update already sold -22 cars with this feature...

[@COSolar6419]

I have seen charging at 240 kw with the SOC at 60%. Above 60% the speed quickly dropped down to 150 kw.

[@JonasAhlander]

@@COSolar6419 I stand corrected then. Well, either way, the point is that in cold weather the heating of the battery is insufficient leading to a delay of max charging rate until the point where it drops regardless. The possibility of pre-heating would eliminate this issue.

[@stephenholland5930]

In the UK the battery heater and heat pump Eco Pack was not standard equipment. On my Premium model it was a £1200 option . Glad to hear it will be standard on 2023 models, although likely with an increase in overall cost.

[@no-oneman.4140]

Hi Andrew, would love to hear your take on the Namsan v your P45 ....

[@MrEV]

EV Nick did one so I didn’t bother! If I find time I’ll do one with my thoughts too.

[@gatusberserk6972]

Are you saying the 2022 models can't pre-heat at all?

[@Lyndalewinder]

Yes but the cars charge pretty damn quick in any case.

[@MrEV]

Unfortunately only the trims that include the battery heater will be able to preheat once they release the software update. That said, it still charges very fast relative to other EVs, but it is worth getting the battery nice and low as that gives it time to heat the battery when you start charging.

[@gatusberserk6972]

@@MrEV even with the eco package?

[@simonsmith8988]

@@MrEV hello Andrew - great video. I’m an Ioniq5 owner and love it. Done 4K miles in the first month including trip to French Alps. IONITY charging works really well. I have the eco pack - have you seen anything official from Hyundai that battery preconditioning en-route the the charger will be coming to the 22MY cars?

[@jedwig61]

I'm an EV newbie. I wish I'd have dipped my toe in the water last year so I avoided all the price rises. Now I'm less likely to be able to afford it :( My question for you... Are battery heaters & heat pumps one & the same?

[@MrEV]

What a shame. Prices at the moment are ridiculous. Even the small battery Leaf has just gone up by thousands. So no, the battery heater is separate to the heat pump but they were previously sold as part of the same Eco Pack option. I had previously assumed you couldn’t have one without the other.

[@1967dragonaxe]

No, they're different. The battery heater is there to heat the battery cells to their optimum temperature, prior to charging. The Heat pump is used to make use of the battery temperature to pump warm air into the cabin, thereby reducing the need to use the high voltage battery to keep you warm (and keeping all those juicy electrons for the drive motors) :o)

[@martinbookkeeper8199]

How will it influence battery degradation? We'll see in 2 or 3 years.

[@MrEV]

Given how good Hyundai/Kia warranties are, I’m sure they’re confident it won’t be too big an issue.

[@martinbookkeeper8199]

@@MrEV I hope so.

[@AdrianMcDaid]

WOW that's quick and expensive.

[@mikehedrick6544]

If the charging was any faster and you were having a short meal break, the end of the 80% could interrupt your meal. Hopefully in most case the charging won’t stop at 80% or we have another issue.

[@MrEV]

That’s already been the case for me actually. I reached 100% while I was still queuing for food at the services so I had to run back and move it!

[@ecoworrier]

Still waiting for mine...

[@MrEV]

You and so many others. Such a shame. 😔

[@manoz6194]

How much to get from 80-100%?

[@MrEV]

An extra 22 minutes I think? I believe it shows it on the dashboard earlier in the video.

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

Fantastic news Andrew! The most important thing is what does your beautiful Italian wife think and does it make fart noises? I think that 80% in about 18 minutes is tremendous!

[@MrEV]

No fart noises, no. Well, not from the car anyway!

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

@@MrEV I love it Andrew! Thank you for making me laugh.

[@LysanderLH]

Maybe it can but only where there’s a charger with a high enough output.

[@MrEV]

The great thing is that even on a far more common 150kW charger, you can still get to 80% in just over 20 minutes.

[@LysanderLH]

@@MrEV Go and look at how many 150kW chargers you can find in the entirety of the Southeast of England. I live in SW France and charging infrastructure is about 10 years behind Britain! There are some chargers but they’re mostly lower than 22kW and that’s no good for me with a Model 3 Long Range. Regardless, I applaud Hyundai and Kia and from personal experience, I will probably buy one as our next EV over anything currently available, including Tesla.

[@conradknightsocksknight1590]

Cost to fast charge is that not important ?

[@MrEV]

I didn't mention it as I have cheap charging with a free IONITY Premium subscription through Hyundai. It cost me £13.51 but Bonnet (joinbonnet.com) is about the next best option at £27.

[@evertnuman7227]

But Andrew, you know your girls don't like IONIQs as much as Teslas. :P Seriously though, it is a great car - as you say and it ticks a lot of boxes.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

Why did they put a manual DC pin cover with a powered flap? Stupid ‘design’

[@MrEV]

Yes, they could easily have integrated a sort of bung into the flap.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

@@MrEV Teslas don’t have any sort of bung. The flap seals so it’s not necessary.

[@jonhumberstone729]

I’ve had my Ioniq 5 for 5 months and am still chasing for my ionity card.

[@MrEV]

Are you able to use the Charge myHyundai app at least? I didn't get the card with the car, I think I had to get registered on the chargemyhyundai.com website first and then order the card through there.

[@jonhumberstone729]

@@MrEV they messed up my order so promised to offer an extra year. Told me to no register and they would issue. The usual terrible service.

[@athollmcnicoll1028]

So you pay your money and take your chances at what the manufacturer states is true but still for me far too big a car to be driving about in, as I am single and a pensioner, so what use is a big car to me, except to carry about more stuff?

[@MrEV]

Kia and Hyundai will both be making small cars based on this fast-charging architecture but it’ll be a couple of years yet. They tend to prioritise the big cars that make more money, sadly. A real shame as we need more small cars available.

[@athollmcnicoll1028]

@@MrEV and because we are so far away in terms of thinking , they continue to build what to them is more sensible in cost and transferability - so like you say 2 to 3 years down the line, closer to the 2030 cut-off point that GB Government has stated will come into effect.

[@dw4070]

I think the more important question is…when can we expect more Flaviana content? 🇮🇹 🤌🏼

[@MrEV]

Next week!

[@dannielsen3663]

MY22 have battery heater but it dont work, if they dont enable it om MY22 they have cheatet All off us with MY22 😔

[@Danne89]

It does work. The battery heater starts when you plug in the charger... Or if your battery is too cold to operate (like -15c). What we don't have is PREHEATING before charging.

[@garymurraya]

but isnt the claim 0 - 80? not 10 - 80? Yes its fast anyway... I had an update at the dealer today, but it was for the gear shifter, not anything else I think... i have had 2 cases when the car stuck in park and neutral, it would not go into drive at all.... for about 20 mins. Good job I was at home ;)

[@MrEV]

No, most manufacturers use 10-80% (some are starting to start at 15% I've noticed). www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/ioniq5#contents_charging So the update you had today should solve those issues then?

[@garymurraya]

@@MrEV ahhh ok, 10-80%. you are correct kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXTUlKSvZ56NecU Yes I hope that one issue is then fixed. There have been other small things, not being able to lock the car for 5-10 mins also... but in general its been A OK! I dont regret changing from an ordered cross tourismo to this for a minute, well maybe a few seconds, but not a whole minute.

[@Lyndalewinder]

Gary - I had that stuck in park/neutral thing twice. Turning car off and back on cured it on each occasion. No other issues. Due for my Park failure software update in two weeks along with the BMS update.

[@garymurraya]

@@Lyndalewinder im in spain and so different updates, slower here I guess. I turned it off and did many things many times, but only kind of walking away for 5 mins or so fixed it, although by then I had already missed my appointment. haha

[@georgewalker7061]

Fast chargers are not Rapid chargers and not Ultra Rapid chargers. So just remember a FAST charger is AC in the UK. You are DC charging and not a 7 / 11 kW. Not even 43AC.

[@MrEV]

Yes, I feel the industry needs to move away from that terminology! Nothing fast about a ‘fast’ charger!

[@georgewalker7061]

@@MrEV yes. You could start not using the term then. I enjoy your videos but best be clear that AC charging is a whole different thing. Also say what chargers you are at at in 125 / 150 kW or 350 kW and how the max peak charging can be limited too 100 kW on a 400 volt system and 150 kW @ 920v. Car dependent then.