Can Joe Budden Win a Rap Battle Against Eminem? | DEHH Convo

[@theponyisday]

Pays money for a studio... makes videos in the parking lot

[@digfitness7598]

😂😂😂you right about that

[@soliel0930]

I'm with Remy Ma, we don't give af about MGK or Buddens podcast, we need bars SIMPLE!

[@MylesSquared]

facts

[@Augors]

AGAIN, make a song about Joe and we will come out of the bed.

[@soliel0930]

@@Augors Apparently Em said enough for Joe to give an hour and a half podcast, so I don't want to here nothing about getting out of AF bed my guy.

[@roddiboi87]

lburgess1978 Imao I agree

[@beab2804]

Agree

[@Chris-w8r7y]

Didn't think this was dropping this soon, thank you modest

[@Petergonzalezcomedy]

404 I didn’t think this was ever dropping

[@Team7_Ninjutsu]

6 days ago? This dropped 3 days ago 🤔

[@nigelmoore3121]

"Slaughtermouse" was the original diss BUT he changed the subject of the song but its still about Em

[@ccafc3125]

He actually cut it off, the song ends abruptly. You know how Joe do, first love thing.

[@-kxvin-5239]

It's odd how he says that it was supposed to be a diss track but he turned it into the exact opposite of a diss track its practically a fucking LOVE letter to Eminem... 🤔

[@nigelmoore3121]

@@-kxvin-5239 True, but he was questioning Eminem and gave hints of what would end up as today.

[@-kxvin-5239]

@@nigelmoore3121 IDK dawg, Joe was saying shit like "I wonder if you catch me stare at you in awe much" and "still when I hear your voice my head goes wrong, takes me back to that little boy with my headphones on" That doesn't sound like someone who doesn't look up to Em and it especially doesn't sound like someone who was harbouring ill feelings toward Em at that time. I really think Joe is still just bitter about what happened to slaughterhouse and he's mad that Em dissed him

[@nigelmoore3121]

@@-kxvin-5239 Like he said, he always give praise before he goes in. That's common in all his disses, if this was really a diss lol

[@bstoneaudio]

Em did give them verses though, and a chorus or two... plus cyphers... He's not their babysitter wtf

[@theiggod6921]

B. Stone Joe Budden contradicted himself so many times. Joe was clowning Em. It was funny. But it was subjective. Joe claims he's unbiased, but he's not. He harbored these feelings about Em for years! 💯

[@wallcity318]

TheIGGod i think he loves Em, but due to past record label probs i think the situation felt a little too familiar

[@james2155]

Exactly

[@anutoldlegend89]

Vibe Thank you. I think that everyone misses that key part. It's one thing to not promote your artists but to try to change their whole sound to your gimmick isn't gonna cut it, not only because as someone who create, it's kinda fucked up to do that, but that's not gonna work for them, that sound is not the foundation which they got there. And I also think Joe holds a lot of credibility when it comes to to the other long list of artists who sign to Shady with a lot of traction and end up going stale. Also dudes need to stop acting like the formula of being a huge artist starting up smaller artists signed to you is too much to ask for, dudes are doing that everyday now. It's not abnormal.

[@absent72]

B. Stone exactlyyy wtf is everyone talking about? Em put them on all type of shit. Verses, choruses, cyphers, gave them random shout outs in some of his other verses. Like wtf more can he do? Lol

[@dkg6826]

Joe Budden played SLAUGHTERMOUSE...thats the song that was meant to be an Em diss I think.

[@ShahzaibKhan-Hooper08]

Joe said it wasn't a diss, but the fans and media made it look like a diss.

[@bruv3891]

Slaughtermouse was more like a love letter to em tbh😂😂

[@FuntClaps101]

Yeah he said he started writing it with the intention to diss, but went back and changed it into what it is now

[@caseyrogers935]

I am not 100% on this, but i took it as Joe changed his verse. It was originally a diss but he changed his verse after thinking about it. Again, I am not certain lol That's just how I perceived what Joe said.

[@jackstonbond]

The essence of that conversation was essentially that Joe Budden loves starting diss tracks with love. He enjoys getting all of the positives out the way, and then slaughtering dudes. Slaughtermouse is the song that was played, and that was a diss track at Em. I believe it was about 8 minutes long, about 200ish bars. If you listen to Slaughtermouse, the song fades out - that's when the actual dissing was supposed to start but was edited out because he felt he couldn't diss his boss

[@Rassmaster]

Here's my take: As for the allegations, Crooked I pretty much deaded Joe's allegations regarding slaughterhouse. He has said that Em was basically their 5th member and he fulfilled all of the Agreement. Em did everything to help out slaughterhouse and in terms of creative decisions, it was a voting process and if joe got outvoted, that's on Joe. Now when Joe is saying That em has no content, that tells me he is full of shit. Not only did he contradict himself on everyday struggle but I can name DOZENS of songs from Em within the decade that has content. I feel like Joe is trying to push the narrative of content vs syllable shit because Joe knows he can't fuck with Em on the syllable shit so he's trying to make it like it's ONLY content that matter. When in reality BOTH matter. It's just that Joe is better with "content" than he is with the syllable shit(not saying he can't do the syllable shit, but he doesn't compare to Em). Em has both. He's more a versitile Emcee. He can create content and be super technical. Joe is really nice on the mic but for him to say he has been better than Em this decade is blasphemy. I think Em will destroy Joe, but make no mistake Joe is super talented and is the most formidable emcee that em has challenged. I just hate when Joe spits out bullshit like how he's been better than Em this decade and em has no content and the whole thing with slaughterhouse when he's been proven wrong. Even crooked says that Joe shouldn't dismiss technical writing because both are important, it's just Joe trying to control the narrative because deep down he knows the talent that Em has.

[@Yuuuuhhhhhhhh]

Joe is just salty in my opinion

[@ronboyq]

TheRassmaster this was worded perfectly i agree

[@redpillproductions7187]

2 questions... Were you a fan of slaughterhouse? Nd about Crook right...how did that work out for slaughterhouse?

[@ColdMetalz]

I completely agree with everything you said. Joe is just being a bitch, really is what it comes down to. Bring some fucking bars or stfu already. Lol, man can't go 5 minutes without contradicting himself. I fuck with Joe, I love the Mood Musiks but come on my man. Smh.

[@TheIshShow1]

I think Joe should've said GOOD content, then itd make sense. Because em has plenty of content, it just don't sound good lmaoo

[@Instrumental187]

*Joe is a great match up for em but em is brutal & ruthless with the disses so this is good for the culture overall, I hope they beef lol & keep it on wax of course.*

[@luisslivajr1613]

After hearing kill shot from eminem I think em will murder Joe ...

[@XLgameBRO]

@@luisslivajr1613 He held back on Killshot. That wasn't a body at all. And I think MGK will still respond.

[@wormsali]

Instrumental187 It would be SUPER good for hip-hop

[@hoodie4955]

yeah joe ain't beating Em in a battle but the battle would be fun to watch

[@J.B.SMITHGOLDHUNTER]

Guru is still alive right? I never heard nothing about him passing, GangStarr still in my collection always.

[@PieQson]

How has Joe been better than Em in tha last decade. Whats y'all reference?? Serious question lol

[@matthewlee9879]

That's what the hell I wanted to know,what in the world has Joe done in the last decade other than judge music on a podcast, where the hell is his music?,I just don't understand why would they say that!.

[@silasbaby96]

@@matthewlee9879 look it up

[@matthewlee9879]

@@silasbaby96 I did and everything he did does not make him better than em in the last 10 years and ALOT of people feel the same way.

[@christiancristof491]

@@matthewlee9879 Eminem has been crap for the last ten years, you're tripping.

[@matthewlee9879]

@@christiancristof491 people may say that but at end of the day he's one of best rappers of all time and will be in the rock n' roll Hall of fame someday, he's already certified and really don't need to prove himself anymore yet he continues to make music for the love of it, don't underestimate him

[@MusicMakesAdiff23]

Joe talks..Em raps...drops remix with 2chainz..disses Joe and eveyone else in that verse...Joe talks some more...Em raps again! Now hr says joe name and evryone else name and shoots video with 40million views...joe talks again on podcast?? But claims hes better? What are y'all talking about ? Em dont have to keep rapping...hes the OG, hes a top5 rapper..yall page is getting real cringe lately

[@annhilator55]

Joe's retired. He ain't rapping anymore. And watch the interview with the breakfast club the week before the album came out. He was pretty adamant he wasn't coming back, so it would be pretty weak of him to come back immediately after saying he was done.

[@drakonian9196]

@@annhilator55 Excuses

[@annhilator55]

@@drakonian9196 nah he's principled and I respect that he stands by his words. It's corny as hell to say I ain't rapping and then get immediately back in the booth cause someone said some shit.

[@adrianramirez5059]

@@annhilator55 lmao but he claims hes better then em em wants the smoke em went at diddys whole label that's who joe was under now joe don't want it joe isn't even better then styles p and jadakiss em has a song with them😂😂

[@MYOURBOY]

People only criticizing Eminem and fail to realize he made hip hop exciting again

[@Eric-tc8iv]

you self evidently dont know shit about hiphop

[@danny102m]

Eric 777 U can see a difference in hip hop pre kamikaze and post kamikaze. You’re blind if you dont tbh.

[@danny102m]

50Shot Duwop Speak for yourself, when the majority of hip hop artists are inspired by him, you can make that claim. You can hate hit like him, but theres no denying he’s had a major impact in rap. The majority of rappers respect him, and love him. So again speak for yourself, because rap isn’t black culture anymore. And I’m not even White, I’m just not a dumbass.

[@tigermusky765]

@@danny102m nah give Drake and Push they props

[@adrianramirez5059]

@@Eric-tc8iv whos making hip hop exciting again beside kdot cole joyner lucas and some others where is all the real lyricists at not that mumble crap lmao em is still rapping😂😂😂

[@tebohomohase7719]

I swear Em wants to give Joe the Idea that he is beatable, and Joe will fall for it and come out of retirement and diss Em, and thats where Em will do what he do best. I respect Joe lyrically but one mistake Em will destroy him believe you me, I have the sense that Em wants joe more than anyone.

[@abow4950]

Em don’t want no smoke with any black supreme lyricist and the only reason why em dissed Canabis cause he was an easy target and em kicked him why he was down

[@dawi4ever]

The other members of slaughterhouse were saying otherwise about Joe's statements.

[@davi-wl6cv]

Eminem has been WAY better than Joe in the last Decade.. Budden is crazy, dude needs to stick to reporting on gossip. He was a one hit wonder who had decent bars. Em is the biggest hip hop artist of time, that is a fact, not opinion. Also, Ems verse on Not Alike with Royce is better than anything Joe has spat in the last decade. Don't even get me started on MMLP2.

[@vladimirklizschko9337]

DEHH Slaughterhouse: Myke C-Town = Royce Da 5'9" Beezy430 = Crooked I Feefo247 = Joell Ortiz Kinge = Joe Budden Anyone disagrees?

[@joelbreezy3116]

Actual bro u got it! I would maybe switch kinge and fefo only because I could see fefo doing his separate review like how a Joe budden branched off from his group, but u got it pretty good bro 😂

[@MylesSquared]

not giving detroit Beezy =Royce is crazy

[@silentsage7830]

Myke- Budden Beezy- Royce Ken- Crooked I Feefo- Joel Ortiz

[@DreDaDon16]

Spot on cuz Royce and C Town are the best Joell and Feefo are both chubby latino niggas Kinge and Joe are both boring talkative niggas

[@FlipStar26]

C-Town is Budden

[@RobotNinja01]

The thing that I don't understand is how does Em sign an artist that already has a following and is already doing things and then the moment they are signed they just fall off? Is it a situation where the label is preventing them from doing something or is it a situation where the artists themselves think that now they are signed with shady shit is just gonna happen and they get lazy?

[@bootyjiggle5695]

50 said something like he wanted to put out projects but some shit in the label was preventing it which is why he got frustrated and left. So basically the label is pushing the artists back, which is why so many of these artists disappear. Like look at boogie, look how he was bubbling in the scene and then disappeared out of nowhere

[@SandhuNation7]

Joe is bipolar dont forget that he literally said that Em always gonna have content . He trashed talked Revival and later in his podcast said i havent heard the album😑😑

[@thej1615]

You don’t think a lot of them are bipolar? Seriously?

[@rickyricardo430]

Joe would do good against Em but i think when Em is fully focus on just one person its nearly impossible to beat him. still want the beef to happen tho both of them gonna drop fire

[@ericsmusic5927]

Beef is already started, Budden needs to respond

[@Deadeyepull]

@@ericsmusic5927 you're not using your brain

[@ericsmusic5927]

@@Deadeyepull how am I not? Explain yourself

[@yoitscaptain]

Em hasn’t truly been challenged by an Emcee. He’s ended careers, but their careers were for the most part nothing to begin with (besides maybe Ja, but that could be argued that G Unit as a whole contributed to that).

[@lecurymccray5804]

Em went at women and pop stars. He hasn’t gone at no lyrical Giants.. Joe Budden would tear his ass up..

[@RAMENn00dleb0y]

Paid up just to watch this vid. I really want Joe to come out of retirement so he can trash Em. He would lose the war but the battles would be fantastic.

[@kumarprakhar1517]

Joe is a Pussy

[@papigod353]

Rufin Fury he HAS II BATTLE CROOKED 1st 🤣

[@tuchesuavae]

@@kumarprakhar1517 nah.

[@charliesmith4951]

Rufin Fury is it just me who feels Budden isn't even THAT good?

[@RAMENn00dleb0y]

Probably. Joe is an excellent lyricist. Good voice for rap too and a decent ear for beats.

[@maddox9511]

Already watched this on Patreon but still gotta show love on KZbin.

[@maryschroeder1533]

I think you guys are the best hip hop review channel on KZbin, but you're just going to completely disregard everything Crooked I said and blindly believe Joe Budden, who clearly has an agenda?

[@krisztiangrof7536]

shout out to myke with those gains lmao

[@Centure120]

Still waiting for someone to diss Kendrick so we can get some 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@JaeRocReacts]

+Aboood165 when?

[@316thaking]

@Aboood165 meek was responding to the control verse and that was all in good fun

[@parmar__12]

Joe Budden dissed Kendrick too

[@temptation9748]

Lil pump is gonna diss Kendrick and win

[@jwilliams4507]

A million people have dissed Kendrick and he hasn't responded. Kendrick doesn't want to engage with a real lyricist.

[@Franz_Morhart]

Joe Budden won't get into a rap battle with Eminem...but he'll sure as hell blast Eminem on his podcast for an hour and a half, while claiming he is the better rapper.

[@johnsondailysports1341]

franz morhart exactly

[@kalethejerk4045]

You have no clue what you’re talking about 😭

[@Chrisratata]

I miss these classic convos they be having just outside or casually standing around

[@ant4613]

I really don't get the perception of Joe Budden. Sure, he's a good lyricist. But he's way too highly regarded/respected for someone with his discography/resume in hip hop. No classics, no albums that are even that highly regarded. Not even in the underground. He's been somewhat relevant for the past decade, but not because of his music. He's always in the news for dumb shit. It's hard to respect that, especially when he's so highly regarded as a rapper/artist by some people.

[@BSealeFLent]

You crazy Mood Muzik 2 and 4

[@drakonian9196]

Ty, real husbands of hollywood n shit lolo

[@AjayKumar-dd4nf]

Diss tracks are different than songs

[@t-god2439]

I thought this same thing as you and was honestly fooled by “pump it up”. Then I listened to his discography and was like damnnnnnn that single fooled me. Joe has some good to great albums “all love lost” , “ rage in the machine”. That last track on their that serves as his outro to the game as well as what he feels the future of music is. Go listen to joe and come back

[@ant4613]

@@t-god2439 I still stand by my comment lol. He's way less relevant nowadays than at the time of this video, but my point still stands. Just because he has "good to great" albums to you, doesn't mean he has classics. His most highly regarded projects are some of his mixtapes, but still, his discography is the absolute bottom of the barrel in comparison to other greats (if he's even considered one, I personally don't consider him one of the greats but I know others do)

[@carlosmadrigal7813]

Yall dont think its kind of cheap of joe to try and make rules to the beef? Like the whole no rappidy raps just content only? To me its like if a fighter was challenging someone but told them you cant use any of the moves youre really good at, only the things im good at.

[@kooleyBear]

For me I don't think so because that is how it is. If you are in a position to bargain then most times they make the rules. And I think it matters that Joe is retired because so many rappers waited till Joe was retired to reply or say anything to him. Now that he has shown he isn't interested unless you show you mean it then why engage when we have seen time and again that others have not replied. For example Kendrick, Drake, Jay, and many others don't respond to all the dishes against them because most times there isn't much to gain from them while the opponent can either way. And he made it clear that he is fine responding to Em but it needs to show that Em means it. The line he had for Joe was nice but it wasn't so amazing that it needed him to come out of retirement to reply. Especially not when Em was mad because he said he only hated one song after months of saying nothing but positive things for Em.

[@lastdonuts]

nah, cause its not quite like that. Its more like revealing a magic trick to the audience, they were all amazed before you showed them how its done, now after you've exposed the trick some will realize it was just a sideshow and that the trick isn't that great. Em can still do his machine gun rhymes, but its like the magic trick. You do have to be skilled to perform it, but sometimes that machine gun flow serves as misdirection to some real basic bars. Joe is basically warning everyone about it first so that Em is either forced to make them actually be good bars or instantly lose due to thinking the audience will be wowed enough not to care about bars. The first rounds of this battle has basically already started.

[@carlosmadrigal7813]

I see what yall mean

[@troycummings709]

Thats chess

[@Wallescontent]

Carlos Madrigal lol exactly. Crooked actually called him out on this. It’s called creating the stage and directing the viewers focus.

[@saab9251]

If Budden didn’t have a podcast, his name wouldn’t even make the top 50. Literally no one ever quotes his bars or brings him up in any conversation about great rappers.

[@kumarprakhar1517]

Joe's claims were amazingly responded by Crooked I. And Joe had weakest verse on Shady CXYPHER

[@FidoeFTW]

He was going through some stuff at that point but I still agree. His verse was out of place

[@cincybest]

Joe is the weakest in Slaughterhouse but that's still not bad because he's still better then 95 percent of the game but he's not better then Eminem

[@rickyries]

Joell had the worst XV cypher. Also if you go back to Buddens verse he was already over the Shady shit and laid it out in his verse

[@johnsondailysports1341]

Yup

[@yeezynapkins2970]

As much as I want to say that he can win, Joe has always failed to deliver when it counted. Eminem got his number.

[@DAllen985]

Enjoyed this discussion man!!

[@H8DaNameBRod]

Joe is smart he is just trying to shift the situation in his favor before he drops anything. Trying to make people question em content. Trying to get people to feel the way he does. Then he trying to make em put out a full song first, because he can do more damage with a counter punch. Use things em says against him. It's all tactical and it's his only chance of coming out on top.

[@80teg]

Joe's only chance is a bus hitting Em before he starts a diss track about Joe.

[@a42nut1inct]

or is joe saying all this shit to avoid a rap battle with Em

[@alexbeastav]

Basically this! He's trying to be strategic about it.

[@PicturesJester]

Joe addresses contradicting what he said in the past about Em when he says "i couldnt say this back then". It was clearly Joe speaking good about his boss for the sake of his whole group, instead of speaking his mind for real. You can call it hypocritical, but then you gotta call literally everyone hypocritical. It is what it is.

[@vladimirklizschko9337]

Yeah i agree. He gets a pass for that because he was probably talkin about his new album not Revival. My problem is that Joe is better as a spitter than a content raPper

[@samuelpemberton]

PicturesJester lol his whole group was cool with Em. Crooked I and Ortiz have already showed their distaste for Joes comment and how false they are

[@PicturesJester]

@@samuelpemberton I don't see how that contradicts anything I said?

[@BlackZynfyndel]

PicturesJester have you watched Crooked’s stream? He basically said either Joe was lying or he was too pussy to ask for what he wanted because Crooked said he never had those issues.

[@mykectown]

PicturesJester No way. That comment he said about Em always having content was in the same video where he was saying how the song was trash and was going off about the tracklist. He wasn't speaking good about him. He was attacking him. He said some shit and then fell back on it in order to have more ammo. I like Joe but I think he was full of shit on that one.

[@ransome5610]

I honestly think Shady Records crumbled after 50 signed. Before that(love them or hate them) D12 and Obie Trice were being focused on quite heavily. I think all their albums were reaching platinum status and Em was promoting them quite a bit. Once 50 signed being part of the 3 headed machine of shady/aftermath/g-unit was pretty much a death sentence if you were not Em,50 or Dre

[@SX1995able]

It's kind of disappointing in my eyes. I just think that Eminem is not smart when it comes to having his own artists and being a label boss. Idk maybe he thought "I only need 50 and Dre" and then he just thought everyone else was secondary. It appears to me like Eminem is living in his own world full of yes men and lackies and doesn't really care or thinks it's too hard to maintain all his artists. I feel like Roc a fella had the same issue to a degree. Many of their early artists are no where to be seen nowadays. When was the last time you heard anything from Memphis Bleek?

[@L1am21]

Dr Dre was part of those projects soon as he stopped helping eminems artist it was over.

[@adrianramirez5059]

@@L1am21 but em was writing some of dres lyrics too😂

[@L1am21]

@@adrianramirez5059 and?

[@adrianramirez5059]

@@L1am21 so you can say it was over for ems artist but em wrote all his shit dre was just producing the beats for him lmao

[@iLLestTv]

Joe could go against Em. Fair fight. Joe and Em up there with Black Thought, NaS and nem.

[@blue-or2wk]

who is nem lol

[@sjsjsjsjsbagahlwmdbxhamansksms]

Joe is up there with Black Thought? What are you smoking?

[@melvinslaughter7685]

Who's Nem??

[@MylesSquared]

lmao what? im a joe budden fan but you just named 3 goats... and joe budden There's levels to this shit.

[@BlackZynfyndel]

My dude, Joe is NOWHERE near Black Thought. All credibility lost with that comparison.

[@dominicthelordkabinga]

Why would Em be scared of being outshined when he constantly raps with Royce,arguably one of the greatest MC’s in history.

[@tiffanim547]

Good point...

[@bizarrenrugged3370]

Better than J. Cole?

[@AjayKumar-dd4nf]

@@bizarrenrugged3370 yeah better than J. Cole

[@akeemheyward]

Bizarre N Rugged yo wtf!! J cole not that great of a lyricist compared to Royce, oh my fucking god you really think Cole would be able to hold his own if Royce did another song like Caterpillar? And I’m a j cole fan as well but some of y’all STANS need to get the Fuck outta here !!!

[@May9k]

I'm pretty sure the clip you were talking about was slaughtermouse. cause he said he had to be talked off the ledge and he changed the direction of the song.

[@Shockwave231]

Em is a legend but I don't believe he is some kind of untouchable God, that narrative needs to go.

[@parmar__12]

Nobody is untouchable

[@TheGreatWesternTrendkill]

the narrative that JB can touch Eminem or is "better" has to go too...

[@Shockwave231]

He can touch him, a lot of other rappers can touch him as well. In fact lets keep that narrative so we get more interesting conflicts. I dont know about "better" but your Rap God is a human.

[@bassitabdul-rahman2629]

Yep

[@jesusiracheta8570]

Nobody is untouchable but who’s gonna touch em ? For reals.

[@TinuolaVictoria]

There's also the possibility that Em doesn't get on every song because he doesn't want to outshine THEM. not lyrically necessarily, but because he's such a big megastar hyped artist. that whole thing of people buying a record because there's Em verses on there and not really listening to the rest of the actual album.

[@David-lz2hv]

That doesn’t matter though and if you listened to TJBP Joe says exactly the opposite. At the end of the day, the only thing that counts is the numbers. Slaughterhouse from what Joe was saying would be willing to have an Em having that caliber of guest feature means more album sales and greater exposure to a different audience. Album sales is the only key factor to becoming a priority artist at any record label, especially a major label. Joe even said he thought that signing to Shady meant that Slaughterhouse, both as individual artists and a collective, were about finally about to eat. He said that maybe he’d get some direction, interaction or even be able to ask Em for a feature on either his, the group or Em’s album. He thought they’d finally be able to make it by having the backing of such a massive machine such as Shady Interscope. That he’d finally become a priority artist along with his SH brothers because of the backing of Shady. Because as you’ve seen with Drake, Lil Wayne, even Eminem, all the huge hip hop mega stars, being a priority artist at ANY record label, let alone Shady, means bigger budgets for marketing, producing, touring, etc. which leads to more money in the hip pocket. That’s the business go for an artist. Em was that key. The key Slaughterhouse, YellaWolf, etc haven’t gotten or never got from Em or Shady Records.

[@onelove101unity]

David P You're talking utter shit. Em is on that Slaughterhouse album, features on three songs on their Our House album and supplied beats and production on most of the songs. He also features on Yelawolf's 'Best Friend' track so how come you come here with a lengthy stream of bullshit and try and present it as facts? Fuck outta here.

[@Krafty]

That’s how it’s always been though. You put the bigger name on the record FOR THAT REASON. It’s called cross promotion. The fans of Em cop the album or at least the track to see what it sounds like. The idea being that Em fans will also become fans of the new artists. It’s an age old marketing tactic that actually works. So it seems weird as fuck why in recent years, Shady Records haven’t done it. Look back at all the older albums. Stat Quo was on Encore, Obie was on D12’s album, Em was on 50’s album, and various other examples. It’s a smart move and to me, Shady Records has dropped the ball by not doing it on recent projects.

[@stuartkeating6508]

I don't think having one song hitting two targets will do much good. I think it's better if Eminem released an individual diss track to each one. It would make more of an impact in my opinion.

[@maxlevin6167]

When you are 'the bigger artist' you kinda get to set the rules. Eg. Drake never responded to Joe Budden's 4 diss tracks (which I think is trash)

[@maxlevin6167]

David Davidson Pusha disses came WAAAAAAAY after the Joe Budden disses :D

[@stuartkeating6508]

Max Levin Are you calling Joe's diss tracks trash or are you calling Drake not responding trash???

[@maxlevin6167]

Stuart Keating Drake not responding, obviously.

[@ProjectsToMansions]

Something about having rap in my life makes me happy !

[@FuntClaps101]

It was "Slaughtermouse", he said he started writing it as a diss track, but then went back and revised and turned it into what is it is.

[@gunner0479]

What's the point if even signing to shady. Your not gonna get any extra push. Everyone on tde has got verses from kendrick and he's in most of the videos. Sza and jay rock are on the two hit singles on black panther, it's not that hard.

[@FidoeFTW]

What does tde mean?

[@SX1995able]

@Keyser Soeze Isaiah doesn't really have that broad appeal though. I know that his second album took forever to complete but idk, I just don't think he was ever going to blow up like that

[@SX1995able]

@Keyser Soeze i can see your point but idk, I just feel like his music is more niche then Kendrick's stylistally. He has borderline experimental production with songs ranging from up beat and dancey, to instrospective like Heavenly Father. Sure, Kendrick and many of the other artists are diverse and experimental too, but I feel like what made TDE artists blow up was that Trap influenced sound that GKMC had. That combination of Trap with underground sounds really blew up alongside some anthemic choruses like Swimming Pools. I don't think Isaiah really has that bombastic, catchy sound to his music that could cross him over to the mainstream. He's more along the lines of underground rap. I'm not saying he is not popular at all, but he's nowhere near Kendrick or Schoolboy level famous. Maybe he never wanted to blow up like that idk

[@thechillywinds5810]

@@FidoeFTW Top Dog Entertainment is the label Kendrick is with along with Jay Rock, Sza, etc.

[@dashyte412]

@Keyser Soeze Ive been hearin that zay and kendrick comparison for a long ass time. I can never hear it. The sound seems completely different to me, whats wrong off the suns tirade definitely proved that to me. *Fucked up, just saw that you put hendricks and not kendrick haha. My b

[@spidurmano]

taking it back to the classic outdoor convos/reviews

[@darrylmiller9643]

Myke, Joe was referring to Slaughtermouse off of "All Love Lost" when he said this was originally a diss record. The snippet he played was from the mixtape where he is explaining how he was feeling while he was there

[@mykectown]

I thought he was saying that he was originally gonna write that as a diss track but then decided not to do it. Him playing Slaughtermouse was confusing.

[@darrylmiller9643]

@@mykectown you are correct. He originally was writing Slaughtermouse as a diss track to Eminem. It was later changed to a salute/open letter to Eminem. The track that he actually played was Trade it All from the House Rules mixtape. The verse literally outlines the feelings Joe Budden was having with the direction in which he/the group was headed. Basically a soliloquy of integrity vs gain.

[@austinwithdapen]

The track was actually "Gone" from their first tape "On the House"

[@darrylmiller9643]

Respectfully its not. Joe was playing the first verse of "Trade it All" from "House Rules" which was the mixtape that came out after their second album was released on Shady Records. Remember, just as Eminem said on his interview with Sway that people had a problem with the direction of the music after they signed. Joe had a problem with it, and if you listen to the first album then you can clearly see the issue with Eminem's ear for music, because he himself said he loved it but some members who didnt like it were outvoted by other members, producers, himself, and Paul. Look at the lyrics and you can see: "Uh, here's something I'd like to know Would you trade it all? Would you put a price on your soul? Answer that - you more about the outcome or the income? Would you give up your dreams to feel like you're living in one? Faced with decisions, would you ignore intuition? Trade in whatever drives you for keys to an ignition? Or would you go on like your life fine? It's funny how a moment'll change your lifetime Yeah, would I be held as a villain If I never helped with feelings? Change to sell a million?"

[@dimitrisbright9807]

Slaughtermouse was in fact originally a diss track. Joe said that he was convinced and "talked off a ledge" and the diss track was scratched and slaughtermouse was the end result instead

[@rafinhaipsep]

I have no idea and that's why this battle could be so exciting

[@dropsixteentvtv4149]

Joe is one of the bums in hip hop though. Chasing kids, on love and hip hop, complaining about his ex on the radio, gossiping on the podcast, only one hit record. He kind of easy to diss, but not really worth it.

[@theiggod6921]

Myke is high on PCP! Joe ain't been better than Eminem at "anything" this last decade! 💯

[@Roland_Kendrick]

1) Joe did drop a song that never came out. 2)When he said “I already started writing “ that was his first reaction in his head when he heard the song on Kamikaze. Then he said “I remember I don’t rap any more”. He made a big joke about it.

[@stuartkeating6508]

I think what was kinda shitty of Joe before was not that he trashed Revival, but he said that Eminem was just using black issues for monetary gain and to promote the album, and that he didn't really care. That's a weird thing to say about someone if you're also gonna be like "Em is still a goat".

[@RAMENn00dleb0y]

He specifically blamed Em's team and not Em himself.

[@lastdonuts]

yep, and you know he probably never listened to it himself and heard via someone else

[@stuartkeating6508]

Rufin Fury At that point it really doesn't matter if it's directed at Em or just his team. It still implies that Em released a track about issues not concerning him only for monetary gain.

[@iLLestTv]

Damn he said that?

[@olumidesobodu5450]

@@stuartkeating6508 do you not remember the song he released trashing Black women back in the day that's not a crazy statement

[@BlackTyeChi]

Although I don't watch ALL your album reviews, I can honestly say you guys are the best thing on youtube after Yanadameen Godcast! Keep it up!

[@AngaarV]

"maybe so & so can outshine Em"! That's the most outrageous statement! And we all know that Em is not a "businessman", Shade 45 is like a side project to earn some money & give platform to artists! That platform doesn't really mean Eminem giving his everything to the those artists.

[@nicklikethesoup]

On the podcast Joe explained that Slaughtermouse was originally meant to be a diss track but His SH brothers convinced him to re-record it. That’s what They’re referring to.

[@christophercoyle65]

Stupid question , Em is on another galaxy

[@xSalamz]

"Joe is that level of lyricists" but you guys forget Joe Budden's horrible battle against Hollow Da Don. Eminem will smoke him in a battle because that's Em's foundation.

[@veksone77]

There's a difference between going back and forth on stage verse for verse with time limits and sitting down and writing a song...

[@happyman7597]

Battle rap is a lot different than a diss recod beef Joe is a lyrical beast every Hip Hop head respect his pen and yes as guys said he at same level as Em

[@parmar__12]

@dizzyb230 smoked by juice As far as I remember they went 12 rounds And juice won because of public support

[@mehdi-les-termes]

I'd rather listen to Joe's Drake disses than anything Eminem as put out in the 2010s lol

[@savVaLaza]

xSalamz big difference between battle rapping on stage and writing against ur opponent in the studio. Joe is an insane writer

[@sanchezproductions87]

having other artists on the label in your music is an interesting point. Dr. Dre did the same for Em off the chronic 2001. Shit,​ look at all of Dre's projects. Even though Dre is the producer and has his writer's its always an ensemble of people that get their chance to shine. I have to admit, that I agree with the criticism in that regard. Helping those artists signed to your label helps Em too.

[@cyclone927]

Joe DEFINITELY a minimum of 5 verses for Eminem somewhere in his house

[@ericbeaudry8118]

I dont think the battles would be that even like people say. Eminem is from the school of battle. He literally came up on the detroit rap battle scene. Joe Budden got washed by Lil B and Hollow lol. Both Em and Joe are super dope and in a similar tier of lyricism, but Eminem is built for battling, and has an excellent track record in beefs, Joe isnt and doesnt.

[@henrychinaski5938]

Em has no track record in battles . That 8 mile shit ain’t what battle rap is no more . If Eminem stepped into the ring like joe did , he’d get washed too . Joe has actually battled rappers , who Eminem battled Mariah Carrey .

[@Allyinks24]

@@henrychinaski5938 lol 97 scribble jam video is up . There are a few with him in the hip hop shop in Detroit . Also another one him on stage with someone else . There is proof that em has battled ppl before in the underground screne. Also he would go to proofs high school and battle people coming up.

[@henrychinaski5938]

Alston Jeswin Fernandes Battling has evolved from that a long time ago . The punchlines have to be clever , Eminem battles limp bizkit , ja rule and benzino . Joe battled the game , g unit , Saigon , ransom , jay z , and has held his own . Eminem is overrated af , people who don’t know any other rappers talking bout he’s the goat and shit like naaaaahhh

[@Allyinks24]

@@henrychinaski5938 I know Joe is battle tested. His bars speak for himself. And he has his integrity which is why I respect him. The thing with Em is he won't go after his peers he can go but he chooses not to and nobody else goes after him . Plus him being in the spotlight so long, most top URL battle rappers can hang with him Heck even get a W on him coz people know him how he is in the public eye and Em might not necessarily know things about his opponents, take mgk for example he brought up the fact that em banned him from shade 45. Well we kinda knew about it since he did diss him on LA leakers. But em just made him son that's it. Both are doing OK now But I would have liked to see what Joe would have done. For the love of the game ✊🏽. Joe got schemes as well. And if people say he doesn't, they have listened to his music. And also I don't count the drake thing because there's no way he would have responded to making a murderer lyrically. This is coming from an Em fan so Id like to see how em does against Joe coz it can go either way.

[@henrychinaski5938]

Alston Jeswin Fernandes the thing that makes this battle so interesting is that joe and ems personal lives have a lot of parallels . I’d love to see who goes in for the kill first but sadly this battle isn’t gonna happen . I wish Em would take initiative and just diss him anyways lol

[@blackrippin]

I like how Joe mentioned Rick Ross and how he knows how to promote an artist

[@james2155]

Are you serious? Em tried to help obie so much. He did multiple features, and got him the “obie trice no gimmicks” on the beginning on Without Me

[@FidoeFTW]

He also put him on "drips" on the same album AND he also featured on obies song "rap name"

[@greuju]

i loved obie's first album then idk what happened.

[@TERRELLTURNER1999]

James C but then they never really promoted Obie's "Second Rounds on Me" album which caused him to leave the label and go independent

[@L1am21]

@@TERRELLTURNER1999 cause dre stopped helping him soon as dre was done with them they we're over.

[@fixxxer3456]

Man Joe got so mad he was sweating like James Brown at a concert. lol

[@nicklikethesoup]

I think at this point Joe has more to lose if Em comes at him hard. Joe has been trying to get back on tv to show he’s the voice of hip hop opinion pieces and analysis. He’s always been the person bounces out/walking away. If those two get crazy, if it gets controversial, that can be the end of Joe’s show again. Em has his funds already. Less risk there.

[@lastdonuts]

I don't think Budden said he needed his own song from Em (I need to re-listen), but he did say keep it outside of an album rollout. While that should be pretty easy if Em drops it now, I don't think Em will respond partially because it drags Royce and the rest of Slaughterhouse into a tough position and partially because he has little to gain and a lot to lose, his team likely won't want to take that risk. It may hurt more if the international megastar Eminem loses a battle to moody 'ol barely sold any albums Joe Budden than if he just stays silent, thats not including what behind the scenes info may come out. Losing simply opens the floodgates to a LOT of criticism and debates. However, I do kinda hope Em does respond with one more album. If he wants to get all introspective, relate his anger, remorse etc, he can definitely do it with something like the rise and fall of Slaughterhouse/Shady. (Shady isn't dead yet, I'm just saying)

[@albertblackstein743]

Jay yeah I was thinking that too. I don't think it's just a song but (paraphrasing) he wants more quality bars from Em before he responds.

[@OctavianJohnson]

How are you going to make a video about the topic and not watch the video of joe lol

[@scrilla4047]

The dude who didn't watch it is the cameraman sooo

[@scrilla4047]

No disrespect to modest

[@prettyteeth]

That is just being unprepared. Don't come on if you have no clue what is being discussed.

[@scrilla4047]

@@prettyteeth what don't you understand lol he's not a commentator, he's the cameraman and editor. Everyone who was on camera watched it.

[@mykectown]

Dominick Napoli Thank you, Dominick. I think it was hella clear that everyone else watched the Joe video. But one person turned into "all of them." People just seem to love to jump on negative shit in the comment section even if it's off the strength of an irrelevant statement. Rod, who is holding the camera and interjects occasionally, didn't watch it. That doesn't hurt the conversation in the slightest if most of us did. But glad to see YOU were paying attention.

[@ColdJoeGaming]

Hey myke, Slaughtermouse is the joint Joe played the song was a 4 min’s Eminem tribute on All Love Lost album, he played it and said this was originally an Eminem 8 min’s diss song but he cut the song off halfway because his camp thought it would be bad business

[@williamchurch711]

Jay-z does the same thing he signs a new artist and doesn't work with them until they get hot.

[@mauricejames8969]

He doesn't have a song yet because the threats were "we have a studio right here, my producer is right there" nothing solid has been created but the concept is there and ready to go. He played Slaughtermouse which is on All Love Lost.

[@Jacob-yd7gd]

Just to let you guys know, there may be something wrong with this video. My pledge for this month didnt go through and it still let me watch this. I had to fix it to gain access to the mgk vid. But it let me watch this before I realized I was no longer a patreon

[@maxlevin6167]

The song they were talking about thats already recorded IS 'Slaugtermouse'...It was originally a diss and he changed it.

[@spcooper94]

Joe Budden being better than Eminem,,,, has he heard how much better Kamikaze is better than his projects

[@ThouguohT]

Coop bro, legit mood musik 4 is better than recovery, a loose quarter, better than mmlp 2, revival??? Wacckkkkk. He’s right, Eminem is wack currently

[@ghostdini8372]

Have you heard any of Joes recent music? Because Kamikaze is not better than his last 3 projects.

[@tiffanim547]

Nope

[@brentscruggs2481]

ghost dini if its better than why isnt it number 1 in over 101 countries like kamikaze?

[@conspiracybrother7935]

@@brentscruggs2481 Album sales and streams do not determine the better artist or how has the better quality of music.

[@SPCLDAY612]

Also Joe isn't distracted from a flopping music career he's thriving in media now so he doesn't have to feel like after dropping a "making a murderer" dropping three consecutive diss tracks without a response back

[@chris.hartliss]

Joe is doing himself a disservice by hyping up his hypothetical diss track... The hype will make people hate it before they listen. Telling me something is the greatest thing ever, especially if it doesn't exist, will make me look for ways to dispute the claim. That's me at least.

[@harlonmeeks]

Why are people pretending like they listen to Joe Budden music? He's decent at best. No threat.

[@tqdolla]

harlon meeks just cuz you don’t listen that doesn’t mean others don’t

[@toneriggz]

Joe's rant would have made a great Em diss song. But to rant for over an hour like a salty ex, that's corny. Like Joe said, it's corny to talk about what you're going to do.

[@THATGUYJT]

I think he made that statement on Every Day Struggle before Revival had came out

[@supaman432]

Why have this discussion if you haven't listened to his podcast first?

[@mykectown]

When did all of us say we didn't watch the podcast? I don't remember that.

[@Sociobid]

I think the cameraman was playing the role of exposition. I’m not saying he’s lying and actually DID watch it, I just think he was there to ask questions about the podcast and be on the same page as the viewers that haven’t seen it.

[@aliscripture9334]

Eminem just rhymes too much making listening to Hip Hop a mathematical equation, while Joe Budden speaks to the soul! And that’s how Hip Hop is supposed to be - Joe > Eminem

[@StevieFromThree]

Joe has one of the best diss track catalogs of all time. Don't sleep on him

[@FidoeFTW]

Making a murderer pt 2 is ass though

[@patsballinoutthisyear6821]

*This year been this most active I've seen DDEH. Hip Hop culture been crazy this year.*

[@dkg6826]

I think Em will drop the diss after watching/listens the Lord Jamar podcast! He said alot in response to Em!

[@loganwood902]

Dennis Gachanja that lord jamar rant is just embarrassing to hip hop. If he actually let Digga speak then maybe there would actually be something to take from it. He’s the type of person who would call racism towards a white person “anti-racism” lol

[@dirtmcgirt1643]

I like when y’all just outside like your old videos better than when inside the studio

[@ehuckleberry]

Boogie had "rainy days," with em, Conway had "bang", slaughterhouse had several with him, yelawolf had " best friend", royce had a whole album " bad meets evil", not to mention all the shady cyphers including the whole gang. Shady 15 had songs from alot of the artists. 50 and him have a while arsenal. What more do you want him to do???

[@scarecrowzw]

Here is a controversial point: If we are having a competitive match up strictly on bars, I do not want to see an EM vs MGK or EM vs Ja Rule or EM vs Everlast or EM vs Fred Durst or EM vs Nick Canon & Mariah Carey. Within the context of industry beefs, Joe's stance on the matter is a much braver move than most with a valid possibility EM can take an L. If you enter into beefs where you pretty much are guaranteed you will win, that's not a sign of your lyrical prowess.

[@bmc5180]

Dear Joe, To retire, you must first have a career. Saying you're retired is a lame excuse to get out of doing something you can't do.

[@TheTriangleOffense47]

B MC He has a career, he was touring both alone and with slaughterhouse. For what its worth he has a loyal strong fanbase. Just because he never stood mainstream doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a career

[@reconstruct23]

“Bang” - Eminem + Conway: leaked original version!

[@cranberry_the_xviii9458]

What if Eminem drop a whole album called Budden washed up? goes into a whole a bunch of shit personal and business wise basically addidon's him for like 7-14 tracks, and then joe's like "nah man this ain't worth my time" id fall the the floor laughing

[@ricardorocha2040]

the thing is em is scared

[@IK7.]

Ricardo Rocha He is not dawg, he mentioned him in killshot and Had bizzare diss him to get him back on the mic so he can finish his shit once and for all

[@ricardorocha2040]

em just has weak shots to joe , not even mediocre bars

[@IK7.]

Ricardo Rocha Why would he Come at him full power when he is dissing another dude? And the closest thing you had is to smacking bitches is not a medicore bar its half decent bro

[@ricardorocha2040]

half decent ? its mediocre and em saying that ? well em was accused of those stuff aswell , joe is just in another level than mgk , he has been throwing weak punches since the chloraseptic remix

[@bmar_music]

When you step on a chicken 😂🐔 10:52

[@Independent365]

2022, and Joe STILL didn't release shit lol...

[@sanchezproductions87]

That track you're thinking about at 11:32 is called "Gone" ft Ky Young from the On The House mixtape

[@albertblackstein743]

I like the approach. I think if Joe put all that info out on the podcast, and still challenged Em, I would think that there is a lot more that was left unsaid. So Joe might have some shit! And personally, I don't think Joe was far off saying that he has been better than Em for the last decade. When looking at the last 10 years, with the exception of Recovery, I like Joe's discography more than Em's. But that's my personal opinion. I think it would be a great battle nonetheless. I hope we all get to see it happen.

[@noizyme]

I feel Joe would win. He can't stop talking about people's stories and doesn't shy away from hot takes even in podcast form.

[@joshc7997]

LMFAO not in Joe's wettest dreams

[@allanbroady2970]

My hot take is Joe is dropping an album soon. That its something in the tuck to be released at an affromentioned time along with this podcast/Revolt rollout. He wouldnt drop anything unless he was going to release music in part of a roll out. I also think that this Joe versus Slaughterhouse too. Joe pretty much left and secured a bunch of bags while his brothers were trying to secure one and they felt left high and dry. Thats what I think ultimately would make a feud like this big. Joe would had to go through Joell, Crook and Royce to get to Em.

[@gladius_hoffenschmidt]

I really want to hear what Yelawolf has to say now that he’s leaving shady too. Something is mad wrong out there and until then, I’m riding with Joe.

[@sirebellum0]

I REALLY want this to go down but I honestly don't think it will. Joe Budden's podcast was quality entertainment.

[@Roonoon2]

Yes it's true, just from memory Joe Budden was obviously taken out of the song 'Our House'

[@Hanzi838]

love the channel guys

[@superskrull62]

The funny thing about all this is that Joe never said revival was garbage. The media spun what Joe said about untouchable into thats how he feels about revival which is not true. He defended everything dealing with that album from the roll out, the tracklist, and walk on water(which he said he loved). The only thing he hated was untouchable because of the whole black boy black boy shit em was saying in the chorus. Even Joe specifically said his beef was with em it was his team who had him do it so I don't understand why em got pissy and went at Joe. When he defended him except for one time because remember it even got to the point people were calling him a dick rider for not critiquing em. So if em would of actually done some research and looked up what Joe said and not just went off word of mouth none this would be happening.

[@xKillaInstinct24x]

Facts!!

[@maalikulmulk8462]

But joe had constantly went back on his words especially after he left everyday struggle

[@jeyzeus]

What are you talking about? Joe and CTG gave award to Revival for worst album of the year. Joe even said (On ES) that this album is the worst album that ever happened to a good artist. I guess you haven't seen everything Joe said.

[@distorteddemons2736]

The reason slaughtermouse fades out at the end is because Joe said you have to start with love before you hate and the rest of song we didn’t hear was a diss