Can You Identify the Hyper-Grace Heresy? | Little Lessons With David Servant

[@ingcoco111]

Thank you Jesus my Lord and saviour for letting me hear this from him. Truly encouraging and enlightening. May God continue to bless you sir.

[@dogmutty2]

Don't believe this heresy

[@ShelleyJovel]

Amazing!!!! I felt stagnant in my Walk. Fearful of doctrines of devils and being deceived. This video helped me to much. U exposed so much doctrines of devils and I hear u speak truth!!! I cant explain how much this helped me and the Joy I feel. I praise God for your videos!!!

[@lisatomlin6501]

I have always thought that, "saved by grace" means that we cannot earn it . It's only by grace because not one of us is worthy on our own. BUT that does not mean we are to continue to sin and live a sinful life. Once saved we must stop our sinful living such as fornicating and so forth. I heard it once say that if you truly believe and truly saved you won't want to continue to live that life. I feel guilty when I sin. I have to ask forgiveness. I no longer want to live a sinful life. We are saved by grace but that's not a ticket to continue to sin.

[@shadowmist1246]

@@Rbl7132 According to the bible, the answer is both. The work of Jesus Christ has made it possible for us to conquer the flesh. But human effort is still required for "Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. (ESV HEB 4:11). If a Christian screws up, it doesn't automatically mean hell. Even Paul struggled with flesh "For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate." (ESV ROM 7:15) - but read the whole chapter 7 to get context.

[@Europeangardens]

@@shadowmist1246 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of UNBELIEF, Hebrews 4 11

[@shadowmist1246]

@@Europeangardens Your are repeating the verse I just gave.

[@juliansihite1289]

@@shadowmist1246 But the problem, whenever I discussed with them (false grace preacher) and quoted old testament's verse for discussion, then they always tell me, that it's not contextual, it's not relevant, before and after HIS cross has made different perspective bla bla bla lol

[@shadowmist1246]

@@juliansihite1289 Agreed. The problem with using "context" or "relevancy" or "dispensational" argument is that this topic is covered in the bible quite extensively and often in no uncertain terms. One can try to use gymnastics on a few verses but after a while, it gets to be a little absurd.

[@leialee6820]

Well the famous preacher Billy Graham always said that repentance was not just asking God for forgiveness but turning away from your sin to live a new & more Holy life in Christ and to be born again. Repentance has to be real we turn from our old life to a new life in Jesus. There has to be a change in us and our attitude. I am in agreement with you. We will fail as we are all sinners but their will be growth as a Christian as well. I always think of what Jesus said on this subject and it certainly always stated what we had done or not done to others we had also not done or done to Him and by their fruits you will know them. Jesus cursed the fig tree that had not born any fruit and it died. .

[@kevinjanghj]

This was really a serious problem. A friend of mine simply refused to see the problem with her Word Faith hyper-grace pastor, Joseph Prince of New Creation Church in Singapore, and kept on affirming the heresy of Once Saved, Always Saved taught by them. It didn't help that I had left the evangelical church and became Greek Orthodox Christian over the years. This hyper-grace heresy is just an excuse to sin and run from repentance.

[@itlupe]

If one is not saved forever then Jesus died for nothing.

[@dogmutty2]

​@@itlupethese people are spiritually DEAD

[@troymccullagh]

Bonhoeffer called it cheap grace. It is part of the problem causing many young people to deconstruct their faith along with the lack of the fear of God. We need to disciple better.

[@amypositan2111]

Thank you! I was deceived by false hyper Grace teaching at one point in my life before the Lord warned me about it.

[@04Redeemed]

You're still deceived if you think you can somehow perform your way to heaven. Not going to happen.

[@davidwade2829]

I loved all you said, great job. Glory to God. I too came across hyper grace guys, when we realized what they where saying we fled

[@drjohnschmuttermaier]

Excellent talk David. It’s amazing for me as I’ve been thinking about this issue lately and then suddenly up comes your discussion. This happens to me more often than not, praise the Lord! Thanks for the insight, and God bless you 🙏

[@areyoumarrieddotwordpressd3631]

We all claim to "believe" in Jesus Christ for our Salvation -- but yet we don't take Jesus at His word. Jesus says, "....he who loves Me will keep My commands...." John 14:21. We do not turn into a robot when we become born-again. We still have a free will to disobey Jesus Christ. While our Eternity is secure IF we walk according to the Spirit ---- if we sow to our flesh, we will reap corruption. We can get off the road that leads to Eternal Life. If anyone says otherwise ............ they are a Hireling.

[@sheilachristine4423]

So have enjoyed your teachings.Thank.you for preaching the truth of God's word .There are so many preaching this hyper grace that it has been so difficult for me to even find a company of believers with whom I can fellowship with.Please pray for His divine placement for me and for me to find my tribe.Thank you

[@davidchupp4460]

“And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭ it’s either Hyper Grace or Works. No in between. Nothing is plainer than this verse.

[@kingdele01]

Did you bother to read the context of that passage? Paul made it clear that this grace given by God, that isn't of works, resulted in the people not going with others to sin. And that the people did not receive the grace of God in vain! In other words, this is a preserving grace (as this guy said), not a licentious grace (as you are implying). Romans 11:4-6 (KJV) ---> But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. [5] Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. [6] And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

[@davidchupp4460]

@@kingdele01 sir I understand this passage very well. I know it’s not talking about salvation in this context. However the verse DOES differentiate very clearly that works and grace don’t mix. It STILL DEFINES what works and grace are NOT. You also imply that since I’m a hyper grace believer, that I believe it’s a license to sin which is flat out false. It’s you people who DON’T believe in the TRUE GRACE GOSPEL that make those accusations. OSAS.

[@kingdele01]

@@davidchupp4460 If you claim that this is not talking about salvation, so why are you attempting to use it to prove your point about the OSAS heresy about grace? So, let me get this right, you can use a passage as proof of something that the writer didn't use it for, and when we point that out, you attempt to maneuver the scriptures again.

[@kingdele01]

@@davidchupp4460 If works & grace don't mix, then why did Paul use an example of a group of people who didn't get involved in evil works like their countrymen? If the hyper-grace definition of grace is true, wouldn't Pau have used an example of some people who got involved in Baal worship & continued even after obtaining "true faith"?

[@davidchupp4460]

@@kingdele01 when Jesus said all who believe HAVE, present tense, eternal life he meant it. Your theology says it’s eternal but not really. Your theology says it’s eternal only if you stop sinning. Your theology has no idea where the line is where grace ends and condemnation starts. OSAS isn’t heresy. It’s scriptural. Declared righteous. Justified by Faith. Circumcised out of my Flesh. Sitting in heavenly places right now in Christ Jesus. You don’t believe that because in your eyes those are future events and not present possessions. I have, right now, received my inheritance. It’s not future.

[@jennifercostello6888]

Much needed truth thanks , more teachings against this false doctrine needs to be out especially now a days , and couldn’t agree more that people need to read the whole bible not just go to a verses that the false teachers use

[@jacquelinesheehan5748]

Thank you once again for clarity.

[@OHMaven1]

Thank you David for this excellent video! You explained “saving faith” and God’s grace very succinctly, yet understandable!

[@jayheinz4624]

Excuse me, at 7.35minutes,?? Are you saying we are staying saved by our good behavior or keeping saved by our good behavior?? ...Not trying to be a verse popper but, the apostle Paul reprimanded the Galatians in 3:10, what did he say??

[@johnbarnes2612]

GREAT PREACHING, and so needed in this relaxed so called Christian America….I think there’s more people who claim to be believers and saved, going to hell that believe the false-grace, hyper-grace garbage than over anything else in our nation …. You’ve done a GREAT JOB and hopefully it will help some see this great error…

[@watchpray5343]

My former friend said that he could commit any sin, even murder every day, and still go to heaven. God would chastise him but he could never lose his salvation. I wondered where he got this false teaching. I'm glad I now have a name for this heresy. Thank you.

[@04Redeemed]

It's not a false teaching, once you are saved, you are sealed and there is nothing you can do to be unsaved. Unbelievers like you and this idot in this video do not believe in the power of God unto salvation, i.e the gospel and are lost.

[@Cheryl_Lynn1]

It's abusing God's grace to say I can do anything I want because Jesus paid the price. It's about attitude also. Sorry but that's twisted for people to continue in sin willfully. Yes we mess up but God knows a truly repented heart.

[@theynot4u]

I went to a women's Bible study once and was appalled by what was being taught. There was a whole lot of a lady telling us that "it's ALL under grace, so stop beating yourself up over your unrepentant sin," and very little Bible. If you disagreed, you were "legalistic."

[@Jesus.Bridged.The__Gap]

I am a gracer but not a hyper gracer. If I had heard that you don’t need to repent, I’d of been appalled too! Sometimes I feel like I am somewhere in between the hyper gracers and the lose your salvation crowd because, I do not believe a person can lose their salvation however, I do not believe Grace is a license to sin either; nor do I believe one does not need to repent. A lot of gracers think that repentance is a work of the flesh but, the Bible clearly tells us we need to repent. I believe faith is an action. That’s what makes it living faith.

[@Jesus.Bridged.The__Gap]

@tony bressie ..I agree with you about searching scripture but, you know that we are only justified by faith, right? I’ve actually never heard of any of those men you mentioned. Yes, faith is an action but, we aren’t justified by works. We are justified by faith alone.

[@Jesus.Bridged.The__Gap]

@tony bressie …Amen! 🙌🏻 I feel that the best example of salvation in terms of who truly has it and who does not is written in the parable of the sower. If you haven’t read that yet, read it, or read it again very slowly, meditating upon each seed. It shows how some people come to God with joy but, they don’t have real faith and don’t take root inwardly. They end up falling away when wolves in sheeps clothing deceive them. They walk away when life gets hard or, choked out by the cares of this world. It also shows how some people grow slowly and appear unsaved but, they run the race with patience and eventually, they do grow. This is a paraphrase. I recommend reading the parable of the sower to gain better understanding and wisdom. Even those of us who understand more than the average, God can always show us something new when we read again. There is never a point that we should say oh I know that because God can always show us something new. He can always give us a new revelation and what we already thought we knew. That’s why it is important for Christians to always stay teachable. I don’t say that just for you, but myself as well. 👍🙌🏻✝️🕊

[@jayheinz4624]

Maybe she meant unrepentant sins that you forgot about? Have you remembered every sin you've ever done? especially in the last week?

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@jayheinz4624 That's another strawman argument from false teachers. When you acknowledge you're a sinner and decide to change your life about how you're living and with faith that God grants to truly believe you ask Jesus to forgive all of your sins and He does. All your past sins up to that point are forgiven. Future sins must be confessed. We are then told by Jesus Peter and Paul to be water baptized to complete the burying of the sinful old man and the rising of the new. We will then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. If we were sincere we will not continue to live as we were. Doesn't mean we will never sin again but it shouldn't be continuing. If we sin we ask forgiveness. 1 John 1:9 (IF) we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Key word IF.

[@longstoryshort8657]

Thank you so much 💯✅

[@rajeevsah5272]

Thank you sooo soo much David . I always knew there's something very wrong with hyper grace preaching. God gave me the truth today through your video. Everyone repent and obey God, he wants to transform us and give us eternal life.

[@deborahmak9674]

Thank you David for this much needed video, my God continue to bless you with wisdom 🙏

[@vincentgarcia5912]

Paul preached free grace.. and was being slandered just as you are affirming free gracers say this and that you are slanderously reporting, Romans 3:7-8 (NKJV) 7 For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? 8 And [why] not [say,] “Let us do evil that good may come”?--as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.

[@TheCockneyWalks]

Excellent video David, I’ve just been debating with a couple of hyper-grace followers, and they seem committed to that theology position. I’ve sent them this video and I hope it helps them. Thanks again 👍

[@piggymalone1]

Thank you sir, for exposing this heresy. Interesting that Jesus mentioned hell more times than heaven in the gospels , yet it's very rare that we hear teaching on the subject of hell in our churches.

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

Cause the Wolves (pastors) are after money etc.

[@Jesus.Bridged.The__Gap]

Sometimes I feel like I am somewhere in between the hyper gracers and the lose your salvation crowd because, I do not believe a person can lose their salvation however, I do not believe Grace is a license to sin either; nor do I believe one does not need to repent. A lot of gracers think that repentance is a work of the flesh but, the Bible clearly tells us we need to repent. I believe faith is an action. That’s what makes it living faith.

[@davidchupp4460]

Repentance of sin for salvation is not biblical in the age of grace.

[@Jesus.Bridged.The__Gap]

@@davidchupp4460 No that’s not true! Repentance is very biblical and still today very much so. Grace is the gift that comes from repentance. Are you still doing the same things you did before you got saved? If so then I think I would question your salvation. Have you been regenerated? Have you had a change of heart? There is no law with the Holy Spirit because the law produces death but when you have the Holy Spirit you don’t want to sin. at least that’s what I find in my life. The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord. At least in my experience, when I began to learn the fear the Lord I began to hate sin more and more because I know that it hurts God, not because I have to do something to work my way to heaven. When you have the Holy Spirit and you sin, the Holy Spirit is grieved within you. That is the conviction of the Holy Spirit. We are regenerated. We are new creations. We’re not supposed to live after the lusts of the flash. Again I say, grace is the gift that comes from repentance. It’s true freedom in Christ.

[@davidchupp4460]

@@Jesus.Bridged.The__Gap I’m not saying anything you are saying is wrong. We can grieve the Holy Spirit for sure. However Jesus said he who drinks of the living water will NEVER thirst. He said he who believes has EVERLASTING life. We are justified by faith. Justification is a done deal. We are declared righteous by imputation. All of these cannot be undone. Eternal means eternal. It’s a present possession. We have NOW received the inheritance. It’s all based on believing the gospel.

[@davidchupp4460]

@@Jesus.Bridged.The__Gap everlasting means everlasting. Not everlasting and then probation based on my lifestyle which contradicts itself.

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

@@davidchupp4460 LIAR.

[@Cheryl_Lynn1]

Living under grace does not mean that we can ignore the moral law of God. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His law does not change. The true message of grace teaches us to live godly, holy and purified lives, looking for our blessed hope, the return of Jesus Christ.

[@eagle36791]

Thanks man

[@lemonpie7522]

David so-called "Servant" claims, "Faith without works cannot save you." That is NOT the biblical gospel. We are saved by grace through faith alone. He is adding works to faith for salvation just like the Catholic Church does.

[@asmrjeweler9237]

Wow, that is a crazy accusation, that people who don't think the dozens of sins you commit every day separate you from God must be covering up some horrible sin

[@Tracey..H]

Agreed. It's biblical. I know ppl who are hyper grace. 😭

[@theynot4u]

Me too. I had a friend who fell for it and ended up addicted to smoking (at age 40!) and landing in AA. She has since found her way back, praise God!

[@Tracey..H]

@@theynot4u ty JESUS! My friend is in adultery. Pls pray a prayer. Ty

[@theynot4u]

@@Tracey..H saying a prayer for your friend. 🙏

[@04Redeemed]

The people you know who are hyper grace are saved. You are trying to earn your way to heaven and you will not cut it unless you repent and believe only on the merits of Jesus.

[@04Redeemed]

scripture does not contradict itself, so you claiming that verse somehow shows we can lose salvation, shows how you don;t have knowledge of the truth. Once saved, alwasy saved is the essential truth of the gospel.@endtimesareuponus8930

[@roncrawford2706]

The result of believing the truth of complete forgiveness past, present, future, is devastating, a person could grow to know the complete love and acceptance of their God. Or you can believe he does hold you sins against you and youwill only know the law and never know your God!

[@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676]

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. They are identified here in Jude 1:4.

[@shadowmist1246]

1 Cor 6:9 was Paul making a point against lawsuits amongst Christians.

[@2Chronicles714_]

So those sins won't keep us out of His Kingdom?

[@susanthroop1279]

Entering into this discussion is the issue of who is actually preaching hyper grace....or are there those who are simply defining grace to counter many who preach a mixed grace message. Paul also addressed this with the Galatians and actually called it another gospel (a mixing of grace and works). I would say that Calvinism is a hyper grace gospel. For them its all up to God who is saved or who is not. So if I'm saved I can live however I want because I'm one of the elect. Persons like Joseph Prince, Creflo Dollar and Andrew Wommack don't preach hyper grace but they are often touted on ones who do. They don't preach lasciviousness or licentiousness. Therefore they aren't preaching hyper grace. I don't think there are many pastors in the body of Christ who are preaching "hyper grace" except for the Calvinists. I do wish we would lose labels like hyper this or that. When we do that we lose the context of the doctrine. We simply need to define grace and its outworkings then were better able to know if were living in it.

[@johndavolta3124]

While Calvinism theoretically could go to the "hyper-grace" extreme, in practicality, 99% of Calvinists believe in the "perseverance of the saints", which is a doctrine that teaches that God will preserve the saints in the good walk and keep them in the faith. Technically if a person claims to have faith, but no aspect of their life show that in any way, that person was never saved to begin with. That right there neuters the supposed "hyper-grace" Calvinism could lead to. Now, to your question "who is actually hyper-grace?" I would say definitely anything that subscribes to the _Free Grace Theology_ coined by Zane Hodges/Bob Wilkin camp and to an extend the Fred Lybrand camp (Free Grace Alliance…although they are less heretical than the Hodges-Wilkin camp). They do actually teach that faith is just an _intellectual persuasion_ about some facts about Jesus, and our actions don't matter in any way, shape, or form either before or AFTER justification except for the matter of rewards. Sanctification is totally optional and is initiated, maintained and finished by our own actions, but nevertheless optional as justification doesn't cause anything in the life of a believer. Now, while not every follower of _Free Grace Theology_ is trying to intentionally live a life of debauchery, the theology itself could lead to such life and we wouldn't know about it since people are not required to continue in the faith at all. Also to add that the overwhelming majority of _Free Grace_ adherents are also part of the KJV-Only cult, making their theology sectarian in some ways.

[@susanthroop1279]

@@johndavolta3124 Not familiar with the men you cited. Again....we need to lose labels and simply line doctrine with scripture.

[@Csorbanorbertjanos]

Our Lord Jesus Christ suffered shame, guilt and rejection and betrayal, if your crucifixion doesnt have these components then you are running away from grace and the cross.

[@Cheryl_Lynn1]

Amen. Good video and truth.

[@shadowmist1246]

A pagan once asked "do I have to clean up my act before becoming a Christian?". The answer that was given to him: "do you have to get cleaned up before you take a bath?".

[@truefoodtruedrink]

@@shadowmist1246 Bible does not teach easy believism too. We are saved by Faith. Faith without works is dead.

[@shadowmist1246]

@@truefoodtruedrink I've deleted my second comment as it responded to a deleted comment. The bible doesn't teach easy or hard believism. Yes, we are saved by faith and yes "So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:17 ESV).

[@truefoodtruedrink]

@@shadowmist1246 Yes, James knows that obedience is an act of the human will and hence doesn’t come automatically.

[@jayheinz4624]

Great point great point!!,👍 the old song, come as you are 🎶,is so true!👍

[@jayheinz4624]

@@truefoodtruedrink with regards to James and faith without works, check out what James says after that regarding how rahab and Abraham were declared righteous!!.. also the Apostle Paul straightened out James and Peter about 30 years after James wrote that and told them in the book of Acts 15:16 that you were not to keep the law and you are not to keep circumcision or any other abstaining of foods etc..

[@04Redeemed]

Without hyper-grace we all would go to hell. Thank God I cannot out-sin the endless grace of God.

[@calebgibson55]

I’m a hyper-grace teacher, if you really think I’m going to hell, answer these questions.. Thanks! 13:12 Can you clarify this absurd statement? “Some even say sin and sin abundantly” You are committing a sin of bearing false witness. Dr. Michael Brown did a great book (which I disagree with) where he named names and quotes. But this video is so absurd and really represents the movement poorly.. Can you name one person one teacher who teaches that we can sin abundantly? No one teaches that. 18:17 name one preacher name one hyper grace preacher who was called in sin. Let’s hear who these people are because that is not the truth at all you are totally representing them so wrong.. every church and every denomination has a problem with sin and there are poor leadership but you conclude that they theology is wrong because you can see a couple people we’re living in sin they were not believing in Jesus correctly. I have followed your ministry and you have some great teaching but man you are so off on this one..

[@calebgibson55]

@Eric Murrill 💯 I have really enjoyed this channel! It has been helpful and encouraging. This video just got me so confused lol. I agree with you!

[@calebgibson55]

@Eric Murrill soo true!!

[@2Chronicles714_]

Yes Ralph Yankee Arnold teaches a perverted Grace message. He teaches you don't repent, its irrelevant how you live, you can live like the devil, carnal Christians will still inherit heaven. He teaches since nobody can stop sinning hence condoning it. He says if you are trying to walk after Holiness you are trusting in your works not Christ's finished work on the cross. He teaches no works before during or after you simply believe . Trust has replaced REPENT. He has numerous sermons on KZbin. Sadly about 17k subscribers..

[@2Chronicles714_]

@Eric Murrill They reject the true gospel that says we must repent of sin. They replace Repent with Trust. The law made us aware of sin. It's up to us to acknowledge and repent of sin. The only way to obtain grace is to repent of sin then by doing so we show the fruit of being a true believer. Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds. Only those who have repented and renounced sin are under Grace. Paul's warning Romans 2:4-8 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? 5But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” a 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@Eric Murrill That's fine. I pray you come to find Christ with a repentant heart before He stops calling on you to do so.

[@wib50]

Such a blessing. I have taken this message to heart. Now my prayer is" thank you lord i am not like other sinners, adaulterers, thieves, drunkards etc, and not like this publican.

[@wib50]

@endtimesareuponus8930 luke 18 10 to 14

[@WarRoomStudios]

"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: `God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get. '

[@WarRoomStudios]

You sound like a Pharisee

[@wib50]

​@WarRoomStudios it was supposed to sound like a pharisee cause that the takeaway from this message

[@Jesus.Bridged.The__Gap]

I am a gracer but not a hyper gracer LOL. Hyper gracers forget that Jesus told the lady caught in adultery to go and sin no more. I fully believe that we are saved by grace through faith alone, not of ourselves lest anyone should boast, however I also do not believe it is a license to sin. A lot of people who think you can lose your salvation think gracers use a license to sin and, that’s not me but, I believe we are saved by faith alone. We are justified by faith alone but, the person who uses it for a license to sin has no reverence and fear of the Lord. I haven’t watched your videos enough to know where you stand about losing salvation or not. Let me make it clear that a person cannot lose their salvation however, they can lose what they seem to have. When I think about it, I think about the parable of the sower. A person who says they believe in Jesus Christ yet, the seed does not take root in their heart, they are not truly saved. It’s not that a person gets saved and loses it. That cannot happen. If the Holy Spirit seals a person, that seal cannot be broken but, if the seed does not take root, that person has not actually been sealed. I fully believe in repentance but I know people who believe that repentance is a work. That’s ludicrous to me because it’s all throughout the Bible that we must repent. Grace is real and always available but no, it’s not OK to sin!

[@2Chronicles714_]

There are numerous scriptures that say we can forfeit our Salvation. Here's a few. 2 Peter 2:20-22 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” g and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” Even Paul was concerned that he could loose his Salvation if he didn't control his flesh. 1 Corinthians 9:27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. John 15:5-6 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

[@jayheinz4624]

When Jesus told the lady can't adultery about that, the correct translation is," go and leave your old adulterous life,,He was of course not telling her never to sin again ,that's impossible.. 🎶 I would encourage you to check out Andrew Farley's live calling show, the grace message ,at 703 p.m. central Time every evening 🎶

[@jayheinz4624]

And joyful noise, remember 1st John 5:13, this is how you know you have eternal life, forever life, that you believe in the name of the son of God! That's about as clear as it gets for assurance of salvation, once saved always saved!! 🎶

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

@@jayheinz4624 many who think they're saved -- aren't.

[@jammer4578]

Grace plus works?

[@davidwade2829]

Wife and I that is, dropped fellowship with as soon as we heard enough of their teachings

[@frankbell4280]

Baloney David, I'm only halfway through this video and I believe you don't understand hyper-grace! They're not promoting a license to sin, but that our hearts have been changed and you won't want to sin. Paul said to the Romans, "You have obeyed from the heart that form of Doctrine which was delivered to you." It's about living from your new heart instead of from pressure, conformity, and guilt which demanding sermons create. Paul himself was accused of preaching hyper-grace, Rom. 6:1-2. And I'm not trying to cover my sin, when I lose the battle it drives me half nuts giving place to the enemy. Disturbingly wrong here. Times innumerable I have heard these preachers deny what you are accusing them of. Your misrepresentation infuriates me and my baloney detector has exploded!

[@asmrjeweler9237]

You would probably chatacterize me and some preachers i enjoy as hypergrace, but I've never heard any say grace is a license to do whatever you want. You could levy the same accusation at someone who thinks they need to repent of every sin. They might feel they can do whatever they want as long as they say sorry after.

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

Then it's Not a sorry.

[@ComeJesusChrist]

My only comment about the biblical context of this subject is that the adulterous woman had a case incomplete. The law from the Torah required at least two witnesses and both sinning parties to be stoned. Jesus wrote the Law, but He was not to abolish it and He respected the legality of the situation, which is why the accusers, who tried to pervert the Law, disappeared.

[@erniesandoval7524]

Romans 3:10 King James Version 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

[@ComeJesusChrist]

We all develop and realise mistaken beliefs we previously held. Which makes our duty to lovingly and gently correct our brethren and expose false teachers and leaders in our church even more important and crucial. When doing so we have to follow and uphold the biblical qualifications of the elders and overseers (Titus, 1 Timothy) and the established church discipline in Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians 5. Many Christians are deceived and led down to the wrong path by heretical churches or leaders and false teachers, because no one follows or upholds these principles. Ezekiel's watchman passages in chapters 3, 33 and inbetween show that we are responsible for the sins and false doctrines of our brethren, although I accept that some may have a different interpretation. We have to judge our brethren, but it must be a righteous judgment and not based on hipocricy. Hyper-Grace churches will deny accountability, repentance, church discipline and our duties, it's all about the free lunch and their self-elevation into the spiritual realm.

[@3BadBostons]

If a saved person does not learn the Word of God he/she will not appear saved to the world and to other believers. Faith is a free gift and your "free will" comes after salvation, (our salvation was predestined from before the foundation of the world)

[@johndavolta3124]

For those of you wondering who are actual "hyper-gracers" out there teaching all this stuff..keep in mind that the vast majority of them are from the _Dispensational_ KJV-Only camp. Here We have: - Bob Wilkin (director of Grace Evangelical Society) - Zane Hodges (the father of the modern Free Grace movement) - Fred Lybrand (Free Grace Alliance) -Charles Ryrie KZbinrs: -Onorato Diamante -Jacksmack77 (Matthew Correll) All these people teach that turning from sin is not only optional, but most of the time is an indication of people trying to save themselves. You will go to hell if you turn from sin. The most dangerous part is that they say "we don't encourage people to sin..." But when people stop living a life of sin, they get labeled as "self-righteous" They are heretics!

[@jayheinz4624]

Around 9:50 minutes, whoa whoa wait,, Jude 1:4, let's clarify,, you didn't finish reading that verse.. it ends with and denying Jesus Christ our only Savior and Lord! !!These people were false teachers and false converts trying to bring down the true believers.. they were not saved Born again believers.. you can cross reference and see that for yourself in the book of Acts and Galatians.. and again, US hyper Grace people believe we have new spirits and new hearts and are now motivated by the love of Jesus Christ poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit! so why in the world would we want to preach a gospel of licentiousness? That's ridiculous!!

[@jonathanisrael9714]

Jude chapter 1, expose hyper grace.

[@roncrawford2706]

Mathew 7 21- 24. Good luck

[@lawrencelawkc]

Rev22:15 - the apostate believers are likely consigned to eternity OUTSIDE the new heaven gates. This is the punishment for God's children who pursued to enrich their souls on earth at the expense of their eternal destiny (The Lord Jesus issued this warning of losing the soul and everyone to be judged according to their works in Mat16). This sowing of the carnal desires masquerading as Spirit leading His mature sons of Rom8:14, could be reaping the outer darkness outside heaven's gates. Rev22:15- "For without (outside the heaven's gates mentioned in the context of Rev22:14, check out the Greek word) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." Note the " whosoever loveth and maketh a lie". Also, check out Col3:5 for the NT definition of idolatry.

[@NC-vz6ui]

Somebody needs to do a video on the heresy of legalism and law keeping salvation. Are we saved by our performance? what saves us? You say grace, but you mean works and appearances. If you don't see it, that person is not saved. This is HERESY. No way to get around it. It's the problem with Armenian theology. You know your preaching Grace correctly when people are so concerned about "a license to sin." Focusing on sin and your self-improvement plan will not work. You will fail. You must focus on your relationship with God and not keeping rules. When you focus on your relationship, guess what happens....you start following the rules. The same spirit of the Pharisees is in the church today. People eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil over and over again. Pretending to be God. God is concerned about the heart. Not your flawed understanding of obedience. Obedience flows from love. This type of teaching bears no fruit. It is full of fear mongering and judgement.

[@AJTramberg]

I dont think this has much to do with Arminianism per se, as there are legalists of every stripe. However, a consistent Calvinist would believe that all heresy and sin is decreed by God who is sovereign for His Glory. .

[@NC-vz6ui]

@@AJTramberg You are exactly right. All of theological schools of thought have legalist.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Are these passages legalism or requirements for heaven? Hebrews 12:14 14Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 1 Peter 1:14-16 14As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy. Romans 8:1-8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

You're Clueless

[@kurtisanderson6690]

​@2Chronicles714_ I noticed you left out the next two versus, wonder why? Romans 8-8-9 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the spirit of God dwells in you.

[@FlyDog79]

What’s up with this term “hyper-grace”? Sounds like it was made up by somebody who doesn’t accept Gods amazing grace and instead believes salvation is something you have to live and (hopefully) measure up to. But you only find out when you die. And a belief like that would be the worst heresy.

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

You haven't read the Bible.

[@johnnyharry4859]

IS THIS HYPER-GRACE. >>> (READ ON THIS IS IN CONTEXT) ACTS 16:27 the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THOU SHALL BE SAVED, and thy house

[@2Chronicles714_]

Yes Keep Acts 16:27-31 in context, continue to the next 2 scriptures. Acts 16:32-33 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. (Since we know from Acts 2:38 and forward that water baptism was for the final outward appearance of repentance after they repented of sin) We can surmise what the word of the Lord was to him Repent of sin since the next verse says he and his household were all baptized. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized. No one was water baptized to affirm the death of the old man and the Spiritual birth of the new man until they repented of sin. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 3:19 REPENT YE therefore, and be converted ( believe), that YOUR SINS MAY BE BLOTTED OUT, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Paul: Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at but but now commandeth all men every where to REPENT. Acts 20:21 21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, REPENTANCE toward God, AND FAITH (believe) toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they SHOULD REPENT and turn to God, AND DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE Repentance of sin is the evidence of truly believing.

[@jayheinz4624]

Johnny, right on, right on!! Over 99 times, that expression is used in the New testament to become saved to gain eternal life! Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved!!!.. then you're born again you have a new spirit a new nature and your sealed until the day of redemption!!.. Apostle Paul says you are now the righteousness of God and Christ Jesus.. 🎶

[@davidchupp4460]

Hyper Grace is Biblical. It’s either hyper or we are all lost.

[@kingdele01]

@@2Chronicles714_ Absolutely correct! These hyper-gracers love to point to single verses here & there to prove their error. However, it is almost always done out of context or refusing to view the whole Bible.

[@kingdele01]

Question to you! - If this passage is all we need to believe, where in it did Paul tell the jailer who Jesus was, what He did, or what He said? - Or do you believe that a person can just believe in some sort of Jesus that he knows nothing about? - Or are we just to only believe in His work, while rejecting His commands? How does doing that represent a whole faith?

[@shelleyd9910]

Just letting you know this was so well balanced and I have saved it. Thank you.

[@jfigirova]

The only people upset about “hyper” grace, which by the way is THE actual translation from scripture, are those who believe their own works will save them. This is false! Any believed in one’s own actions being the primary reason someone will go to heaven has a heart as cold as the Pharisees whom Christ chastised and called “white washed tombs”. Beautiful with works on the outside yet dead and cold on the inside. Only God’s grace and the Blood of His son Jesus save you. Your works will not! Repent, written as (change of belief, not turning from works is the literal Greek original translation which makes you saved. Good works will naturally come as a result of belief in Christ, but they will not be your saving grace.

[@jayheinz4624]

Us hyper Grace people are not against repentance,.. repent all you want, but it's not going to get you more forgiveness.. the Greek word for repent is metanoia and it means,, a change of mind, in context.. change your mind about being able to save yourself and turn to Jesus Christ as your Messiah,,.. and you only need to really do that once.. do do us hyper Grace people believe in turning from our sin, of course but we stand on what the Apostle Paul says, we don't focus on our sin we focus on Jesus Christ and we renew our minds daily by focusing on him... we are also also not against confession!,, and confessing your sins, confess your sins all you would like! But confession in the Greek definition means to agree with.. agree with God about everything he says! But confessing is not going to get you more forgiven you're already as forgiven as you're ever going to be! Remember, there's no condemnation and guilt for those in Christ jesus, but the enemy would like to keep you in the treadmill of guilt and condemnation.. but there is now no condemnation if ,you are in Christ jesus, a born again believer with a new spirit and a new heart.. us free gracers hypergracers know who we are in Christ Jesus.. for you skeptics, I would challenge you right now to go do a quick word study on who you are in Christ Jesus!!.. all the Bible verses in the New testament that say who you are in Christ Jesus .. I think you will be surprised at what you find out!!🎶.and then come back and reply to me 🎶

[@kingdele01]

That is a reductionist view of a very expensive word in the Bible! Before getting on the internet attempting to correct someone else, I will encourage you to really look into the topic that you want to talk about. All you have to do is to get an electronic Bible with a search capability and look up the word that you are considering. Then read all the places where it appears in their context. Look at just a few of the passages that completely contradict your flawed conclusion 2 Corinthians 12:21 KJV And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have SINNED already, and have not REPENTED of the UNCLEANNESS and FORNICATION and lasciviousness WHICH THEY HAVE COMMITTED. Revelation 2:21 KJV And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Revelation 9:21 KJV Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

[@jayheinz4624]

@@kingdele01 yes I do agree,, it is a really expensive word !and I paid for it many many times ,because of the misuse of the words repent and confess. Especially when they're used to throw condemnation and guilt on tender-hearted true believers.!!,, I tried to come across in my comment with the spirit of Grace and encouragement.. and I have definitely examined these topics and consider them deeply for over 30 years visiting with theology teachers and pastors from various backgrounds and I anguished over the subjects at times and looking at both sides and now looking at them through The eyes of Grace, and who we are in Christ ,things make a lot more sense and bring a lot more peace when we look through the eyes of Grace and who we are in Christ Jesus..have you studied who you are in Christ my friend? Regarding the verses you quoted me, ,I'm of course I believe in repenting and changing your mind and turning from your sin.. with regards to the verse and context for the Apostle Paul speaking of the corinthians, most likely the people he's talking about were not true believers but he would also admonish the true believers to not continue walking in carnal fleshly ways but remind them who they are in Christ as he does in Romans also.. I must regards to the two versus in revelations, those are cryptic subjects but the one verse I would say definitely refers to Jezebel and cross-references her but in Old testament but not intended for True believers the second Revelation verse is also cryptic and it's definitely not intended for True Born again believers. To reiterate what I was saying in my previous comment ,is that we don't do this to be more forgiven or to be saved again and again.. do you believe you can lose your salvation and regain it and lose it again? Do you believe you keep your salvation by your works and by your efforts?

[@kingdele01]

@@jayheinz4624 My response is to show you that biblical repentance is not just a weak changing of one's mind about Jesus, but rather a call to turn from sin. And the passages I provided proved that.

[@jayheinz4624]

@@kingdele01 oh okay, thanks for clarifying that for me,, I agree with you that we need to turn from sin but not to be saved.. but still be I would still be interested in hearing what you think about what Paul means by who you are in Christ and being a new creation in Christ Jesus.. 🎶

[@kingdele01]

@@jayheinz4624 I haven't spent a whole lot of time trying to understand the intricacies of the New Creation or every other items that haven't been explicitly explained in the Bible. My impression is that many people extrapolate ideas presented by God, and take those ideas farther than He intended, and potentially entering into error. But, on the question that you asked, 2 Corinthians give us a practical presentation of what it means to be a new creation. It is clear that one cannot claim a positional identity as a new creation without the practical reality of living a godly life. And this is different from the claims of the modern OSAS preachers, especially the new breed of free/hyper grace adherents. 2 Corinthians 5:15-17 NKJV and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. [16] Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. [17] Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is A NEW CREATION; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

[@AJTramberg]

This is spot on. This is the Gospel, but gets labeled as "Lordship Salvation", where repentance is considered a work.

[@davidchupp4460]

@tony bressie why? Romans 11:6

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@davidchupp4460 The teaching that repenting of sin is works is possibly satans greatest deception taught by those who pervert God's grace. Read Paul's warning about those who reject repenting of sin so you'll see that you've been taught wrong. Romans 2:4-8 Or DO YOU SHOW CONTEMPT for the riches of his KINDNESS, FORBEARANCE and PATIENCE, not realizing that God’s KINDNESS is INTENDED to LEAD YOU TO REPENTANCE? 5But because of your STUBBORNNESS and your UNREPENTANT HEART YOU ARE STORING UP WRATH AGAINST YOURSELF for the day of God’s WRATH, when his RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT will be revealed. 6 God “WILL REPAY EACH PERSON ACCORDING to WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.” 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, HE WILL GIVE ETERNAL LIFE 8But FOR THOSE WHO ARE SELF-SEEKING and WHO REJECT THE TRUTH and follow evil, there will be WRATH AND ANGER. Paul leaves no doubt about how imperative repenting is.

[@KnightFel]

@@davidchupp4460 Romans 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Your theology throws this verse right out the window. Repent.

[@davidchupp4460]

@@KnightFel false. You are taking that verse totally and completely out of its context and what Paul is referring to. The law is good and it’s holy and it’s great. However it’s only and specifically there for one reason. To bring you to Christ. Read The Whole Book of Galatians. He wrote it specifically for you.

[@KnightFel]

@@davidchupp4460 you’re completely wrong. The law is there for 3 reasons. To bring you to Christ by acting as a mirror, to restrain evil, and to show you what is pleasing to God. Paul tells us to live in a manner worthy of the gospel, worthy of your calling, worthy of the Lord. We do that by delighting in the law of God as Christians. Not to earn salvation. Your understanding is flawed and shallow. Read the entire Bible, it was written JUST for you.

[@havenofear7033]

You claim you are not Calvinist, yet espouse Lordship Salvation. Bummer.

[@HolySacredTruth]

The truth is scripture proves OSAS, and Eternal Security are very real for the believer. A true believer in Christ can never be cast out of the body of Christ. No amount of repenting of your sin will ever earn your way into Heaven, and your performance has nothing to do with salvation itself under the new covenant/testament. There was a sin problem in the Old Testament, yes. The wages of sin is death. Jesus died once and for all for the sin of the world. All we have to do for salvation itself, is truly believe in Jesus Christ in our heart, then we become baptized by the Holy Spirit of promise and sealed with the Holy Spirit to the day of redemption. Religious Christians need to stop spreading false gospels that our performance has to do with our salvation itself. It’s made VERY CLEAR over and over and over again, it’s Christ’s performance that saves us, it’s HIS finished work, he’s OUR savior, we are not our own saviors. The Holy Spirit convicts us and teaches us how to say no to sin. But the Holy Spirit will never condemn us. If you’re reading this, I promise do not take mans word which is a false gospel and buy into any fear. Trust and rest in God and his unbreakable unshakeable word and promises. SALVATION / SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH / ETERNAL SECURITY Matthew 1:20-21 Matthew 3:7 Matthew 3:11 Matthew 11:28-29 Luke 7:50 John 1:12 John 3:14-18 John 3:36 John 5:24-25 John 6:27-29 John 6:35 John 6:39-40 John 6:47-51 John 8:3-11 John 8:24 John 9:23-24 John 10:9 John 10:26-29 John 11:25-26 John 12:40 John 14:1 John 14:16-18 John 16:7-14 Acts 10:43 Acts 13:37-39 Acts 13:47-48 Acts 15:5-11 Acts 15:24 Acts 16:30-31 Acts 20:28-32 Acts 26:14-18 (18) Romans 1:16-17 Romans 3:7-10 Romans 3:19-31 Romans 4:4-8 Romans 4:15-16 Romans 4:23-25 Romans 5:1-2 Romans 5:5-12 Romans 5:15-21 Romans 6:1-18 Romans 6:22-23 Romans 7:4-7 Romans 7:14-25 Romans 8:1-5 Romans 8:9-10 Romans 8:14-16 Romans 8:31-39 Romans 9:30-33 Romans 10:1-17 Romans 11:6 Romans 15:13 Romans 16:17-20 1 Corinthians 1:6-9 1 Corinthians 1:17-18 1 Corinthians 1:20-31 1 Corinthians 2:5 1 Corinthians 2:10-14 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 1 Corinthians 3:23 1 Corinthians 4:3-4 1 Corinthians 4:14-16 1 Corinthians 5:1-7 (5) 1 Corinthians 6:9-12 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 1 Corinthians 9:18-20 1 Corinthians 10:23 1 Corinthians 12:3 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 1 Corinthians 15:11 1 Corinthians 15:17 2 Corinthians 1:2-3 2 Corinthians 1:9-10 2 Corinthians 1:20-24 2 Corinthians 3:4-18 2 Corinthians 4:1-18 2 Corinthians 5:5-9 2 Corinthians 5:17-21 2 Corinthians 6:1-3 2 Corinthians 8:7-9 2 Corinthians 10:17-18 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 2 Corinthians 13:5-7 Galatians 1:3-12 Galatians 2:4 Galatians 2:14-21 Galatians 3:1-14 Galatians 3:18-29 Galatians 4:4-9 Galatians 4:16-17 Galatians 4:21 Galatians 4:29-31 Galatians 5:1-6 Galatians 5:13-14 Galatians 5:16-26 Galatians 6:1-4 Galatians 6:12-18 Ephesians 1:3 Ephesians 1:6-7 Ephesians 1:12-14 Ephesians 1:17-22 Ephesians 2:1-10 Ephesians 2:12-22 Ephesians 3:2-12 Ephesians 3:16-19 Ephesians 4:4-7 Ephesians 4:14-16 Ephesians 4:22-24 Ephesians 4:29-30 Ephesians 5:1-8 Ephesians 5:11 Ephesians 5:25-27 Ephesians 5:30-32 Philippians 1:5-11 Philippians 1:14-17 Philippians 1:27-29 Philippians 2:12-16 Philippians 3:2-15 (9) Philippians 3:17-21 Philippians 4:3-9 Philippians 4:15-19 Colossians 1:4-6 Colossians 1:9-14 (12-14) Colossians 1:18-29 Colossians 2:2-15 (11-14) Colossians 2:20 Colossians 3:1-7 Colossians 3:10-13 Colossians 3:23-25 Colossians 4:6 1 Thessalonians 1:3-6 1 Thessalonians 2:4-14 (13) 1 Thessalonians 3:2-3 1 Thessalonians 3:10-13 1 Thessalonians 4:1-4 1 Thessalonians 4:7-8 1 Thessalonians 4:14 1 Thessalonians 5:4-11 1 Thessalonians 5:16-24 (23-24) 2 Thessalonians 1:10-12 2 Thessalonians 2:9-17 2 Thessalonians 3:1-5 1 Timothy 1:1 1 Timothy 1:4-16 (16) 1 Timothy 2:3-8 1 Timothy 3:16 1 Timothy 4:1-3 1 Timothy 4:6-7 1 Timothy 4:10 2 Timothy 1:7-14 2 Timothy 2:8-16 2 Timothy 2:18-26 2 Timothy 3:12-17 2 Timothy 4:3-8 2 Timothy 4:17-18 Titus 1:1-3 Titus 1:9-16 Titus 2:10-14 Titus 3:1-11 (4-7) Hebrews 1:3 Hebrews 2:2-3 Hebrews 2:9-18 Hebrews 3:7-19 (12,18-19) Hebrews 4:1-11 Hebrews 5:9 Hebrews 6:1 Hebrews 6:9-10 Hebrews 6:17-19 Hebrews 7:11-12 Hebrews 7:19 Hebrews 7:22-28 Hebrews 8:1-13 (11-13) Hebrews 9:11-28 (11-14,17,26) Hebrews 10:4-24 (10-22) Hebrews 10:39 Hebrews 11:6 Hebrews 12:1-3 Hebrews 13:20-21 (James Audience/Context is James 1:1, James 5:3, James 5:17) James 2:10-11 James 4:6-7 1 Peter 1:3-13 (3-5, 8-11) 1 Peter 1:18-25 (18-19, 23) 1 Peter 2:1-10 (2, 6-7) 1 Peter 2:15-16 1 Peter 2:19-25 (24-25) 1 Peter 3:17-18 1 Peter 5:9-10 1 John 1:7-10 1 John 2:1-12 (1-2, 12) 1 John 2:17 (John 6:39-40) 1 John 2:18-29 1 John 3:1-11 (9) 1 John 3:18-24 (22-24) 1 John 4:1-19 (2,4,6,9-10,12-16) 1 John 5:1-13 (1,4-5,10-13) 2 John 1:1-2 2 John 1:8-9 Revelation Chapters 2 & 3, who is “He that overcometh..?” (1 John 5:4-5) Revelation 22:17

[@shadowmist1246]

As Christians we have the assurance of salvation, you cannot accidently burp out your salvation, and God will discipline his children as he sees fit. But God won't force people into heaven so OSAS is not biblically correct. Also, there are plenty of verses warning Christians about falling away; they're easy to find. Let me know if you want a few. Also, if you want to be more effective with your points, maybe stop putting an impractically long list of verse references that nobody will read.

[@truefoodtruedrink]

@@shadowmist1246 I agree, You are very close to Catholic Church, my friend.

[@shadowmist1246]

@@truefoodtruedrink I am a christian. There is very little correlation between catholicism and true christianity.

[@truefoodtruedrink]

@@shadowmist1246 I liked that joke.

[@kingdele01]

I noticed that you listed Hebrews 10:39, as your proof text for OSAS. I would encourage you to read that verse in it's context before using it as a proof. Hebrews 10:26-31,39 KJV For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? [30] For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [31] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God....... [39] But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

[@benjaminwilson4875]

Somehow I wonder if you really believe there are a host of "Hypergrace Preachers" running around deceiving the masses who are on a fast track to Hell. If you really do. . .why not name some of these scoundrels? I would be very interested in knowing if my Pastor, for instance, is one of those perfidious preachers. So. . . how about telling us who the preachers are who are preaching that it's okay to fornicate the night away?

[@AJTramberg]

Start with Joseph Prince, Andrew Farley, and Rob Rufus, and pretty much the entire seeker sensitive "church" of which I used to be a part. First, understand the difference between a repentant sinner...one who is at war with sin and his flesh, and those who live in unrepentant sin, that show no sign of regeneration. Their lives bare no difference from a pagan. None of the hyper gracers will say its "ok" to live an unrepentant life, but they will simply say sin will bring earthly "problems", and "loss of heavenly reward", but they wont say they need to "repent". We are instructed over and over again to repent, repent, repent. If you find yourself in the position of arguing against repentance (as I once did), you are arguing against Christ himself. While I dont damn anybody to hell, I certainly am not going to gamble my salvation against the clear words of Christ and the Apostles so that I can hope to have my sin and Heaven too. Christ died to free us from sin, so that we are no longer a slave to sin, not to enable our sin. We cannot serve two masters.

[@calebgibson55]

@@AJTramberg this video is so deceptive and he is really sending against God. He’s bearing false witness on so many teachers. None of those teachers that you mention teach the stuff that David is talking about. They all teach that we need to turn away from sin and turn to Jesus the difference is they don’t use the word repent, they will say you need to change your mind. It’s a different road a different word it is the same conclusion. To say that these are heretics shows that you don’t know your Bible.

[@calebgibson55]

@@AJTramberg LOL and I find it funny how you call Andrew Farley a seeker sensitive teacher he is way far from that. He pastors very much a believer driven church.

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

@@calebgibson55 repent !

[@calebgibson55]

@@DamirVidovic-pf2pk what do you want me to repent of? Can you be more specific?

[@medic4christ777]

No but I sure can identify the works based heresy. Right here. There is no such thing as hyper grace. There is only one kind of grace. If it is by grace it is not longer by works, lest grace be NO LONGER GRACE.

[@asmrjeweler9237]

And such WERE some of you

[@dogmutty2]

Wow, why do people put their foot in their mouths trying to preach falsely

[@shadowmist1246]

I'm not so sure if "dam-able heresy" is the right way to describe it. It is a dangerous philosophy for when one caters to the flesh, sin can mature and salvation is in danger of being lost. There are plenty of verses in the bible that warn about falling away for a Christian. But also note 1 Cor 10:23: "All things are lawful, "but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. But I certainly agree that "hyper grace" runs the serious danger of losing salvation if sin in one's life grows unchecked.

[@shadowmist1246]

@@Rbl7132 Christians have assurance of salvation; not OSAS. That is to say, if you remain heading west on highway Y, you will surely reach city Z - even if there are detours and bumps in the road. But if you then choose to turn your car around to go east, you won't reach city Z.

[@kingdele01]

I agree with you, but some hyper-gracers actually turn their doctrine of OSAS into the gospel. What they don't realize is that they are saying that one have to believe that he can't lose salvation in addition to believing in specific, but limited, facts about Christ before he could be saved. Therefore, elevating the doctrine of OSAS to the same spot as Christ. As a result, they become idolaters, in addition to heretics. Both of which will completely damn their souls.

[@davidchupp4460]

@@kingdele01 wow. You people are the most judgmental people ever totally taking out of context what we stand on. My personal testimony says otherwise. I had to realize I couldn’t do anything to save myself. I needed to realize Jesus paid it all. I had to stop all efforts to stop sinning myself. I had to understand salvation before I could believe it and trust in Christ. Without understanding salvation you can’t believe it and trust it. But according to you you still have to travel a certain way. Thank God he removed me and showed me the truth about the lies of religious people.

[@davidchupp4460]

@@kingdele01 so tell me what saved you? Can you tell me how to be saved? Are you saved?

[@kingdele01]

@@davidchupp4460 You are not saved (or kept saved) by believing that you can't loose your salvation after initial justification. It looks like you disagree with me, show me where the bible teaches that one not only has to believe in Christ, but also believe that initial justification is irrevocable, to be ultimately saved?

[@roncrawford2706]

If you think you actually repent for your sin you are deceiving yourself. If your not going to rest in your God, all you have is yourself.

[@davidchupp4460]

Amen brother. I’ve never seen so many self deceived Christians. They all say you have to repent of their sins to be saved and to stay saved. Most wallow in self righteousness and pride. Both very ambiguous sins no one can actually see therefore they must be saved. I’ve walked through all that crap and it’s a ridiculous statement to think it’s salvation to stop sinning somehow. Most can’t go an hour let alone a day without sinning.

[@davidchupp4460]

Living in pride is LIVING IN SIN.

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

@@davidchupp4460 yes, you're continually living in pride and sin. Many Bible verses prove you are on your way to hell !

[@DamirVidovic-pf2pk]

YOU are deceiving Yourself !

[@itlupe]

"...they think they're always right..." You mean like you? You seem to think you "know everything". You are teaching from tradition (Col 2:8 warns against this). Eph 2:8-9 is quite clear. Remember by FAITH you are saved. By FAITH. His blood washes one clean. To add to that is human arrogance. HUBRIS. Our sins are washed (Rom 3:25).

[@superdoobo]

Hieratic!