Aggressive Pit Bull Attacks Belgian Malinois At Dog Park. TRIGGER WARNING.

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CanelaandRrronin

CanelaandRrronin

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@patrickpay140
@patrickpay140 Жыл бұрын
Love how he goes from getting attacked to straight into playing with his mate. Amazing dog
@Lipafoe
@Lipafoe Жыл бұрын
idiot
@gilbertmarroquin6366
@gilbertmarroquin6366 Жыл бұрын
lol😊
@crystalbeck4822
@crystalbeck4822 Жыл бұрын
Omg right! That was some pro level chill lol
@orthopraxis235
@orthopraxis235 9 ай бұрын
that's cuase he wasn't getting attacked. it was rough play. how stupid people are just never been around a dog park where big dogs play like this.
@jayh6135
@jayh6135 9 ай бұрын
@@orthopraxis235 Way to turn a positive comment into a hating ass bitch made one, get lost little guy 😂
@philvalable
@philvalable Жыл бұрын
I checked this book kzbin.infoUgkxSw1k29V8f0aNwyGI6qRGYJc3E4Y4Eoxy out at the library - read it cover to cover - and then decided to purchase it, so i can refer to it as needed. This provides additional ways to train in addition to the two obedience classes my sicx month old belgian malinois has already attended. Despite having dogs my whole life, i have been voraiciously reading dog training and psychology books lately given my little "maligator" has a mind of her own (extremely smart but obstinate) , and this one ranks among the best.
@IshKabilble999
@IshKabilble999 11 ай бұрын
It's nice to see someone so in tune with a dog's body language. So many fights start because people are not watching their dogs and looking for the signs. Great job!
@xobelladonna2443
@xobelladonna2443 10 ай бұрын
Dog owners are what has ruined dogs and it gets worse and worse every year. For some obnoxious reason people don’t think behavioral training is absolutely mandatory for every single breathing dog! Doesn’t matter the breed,size,age,personality. Every single dog needs to be trained. Over 4.5 million people are attacked by dogs a year. And the number keeps going up and up. They’re the #1 killers of humans besides other humans… that’s gotta stop. I mean there’s people that genuinely think dogs smile when they’re panting….ugh lol
@Pilot_Abilene
@Pilot_Abilene 8 ай бұрын
dog fights start because the propaganda machine made low iq idiots think pitbulls are family dogs
@frankkoolosko4255
@frankkoolosko4255 8 ай бұрын
Just because he says that’s what’s happening that doesn’t actually mean what’s happening are you slow?
@memecrider3585
@memecrider3585 8 ай бұрын
​@xobelladonna2443 hmm I thought the number one killer to humans is obesity and cancer?
@devincampbell5007
@devincampbell5007 7 ай бұрын
@@xobelladonna2443 "#1 killer of humans besides other humans" So would that make them the 3rd? Mosquito is by far the #1 animal that kills humans, even more than humans
@squishybrick
@squishybrick 11 ай бұрын
You can feel the tension just evaporate the second he sees his friend and runs with him, that was so wholesome.
@stevenfrost6441
@stevenfrost6441 Жыл бұрын
I loved the footage at 5:04 when Ronin's friend showed up and he turned all the aggression off in an instant and was like "OK time to Play!"
@WhittaII
@WhittaII Жыл бұрын
People could learn a lot from that. Instead of holding onto a bad feeling just let go and have some fun instead. So much wasted life being upset when you could just be more dog
@pain002
@pain002 Жыл бұрын
​@@WhittaII I think that's why people say don't separate dogs after fights and don't linger on the bad feelings. Dogs are great at moving on. If we let them, that is
@Catbooks
@Catbooks Жыл бұрын
@@WhittaII That's what I was going to say, lol. Yes, we would do very well to learn this important lesson from dogs.
@Catbooks
@Catbooks Жыл бұрын
@@pain002 It is. It's understandable that people's first instinct is to separate and avoid, and obviously you have to do this safely because if a dog is aggressive or too het up from the fight, it can happen again. But generally, it's best to stay calm, let the dogs calm down and relax so they can move on and not carry with them the bad experience into the future.
@leahgorey9324
@leahgorey9324 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the way you type in an explanation of whats going on with their body language and the situation! I feel like a lot of videos don’t go that into depth so its harder to figure out whats going on if you’re not able to read dogs the way you can. Thank you for your hard work to explain to us, please keep making videos like this, I always enjoy watching and learning! I have a question: How did you become so good at understanding dogs? I want to try and learn more for myself :)
@WillBlueAnimalTraining
@WillBlueAnimalTraining Жыл бұрын
just keep doing your research and really listen to your furry besties!
@katiea2228
@katiea2228 Жыл бұрын
I would say you can learn a lot about dog body language by finding online resources, books, but also just real life practice. It took me a while to realize that dogs can use a lot of different signals to say things. For example: the dog in this video raised his hackles because he was excited, but I was trained at my job that dogs only raise their hackles because they’re about to do something aggressive. I know a pitbull at my daycare who just puts her hackles up when she comes to the playroom to look bigger, but she never actually wants to fight or anything
@FoxyFoxlyn
@FoxyFoxlyn Жыл бұрын
I have learnt a lot from dogs we have had. Grew up with dogs and cats. You pick up on their body language. I always know what my dog wants. I watch her closely when on the field with other dogs, she is very submissive. But sometimes other dogs are not picking up on her clear signals, that all she wants to do is play fetch and doesn't want to play them. Mainly puppies, but they have to learn. She will tell them off, but she is still young herself. I did have one occasion where I yelled at the other dog's owners to come and get their dog. They were being far too rough, and she kept laying down, being submissive and trying to hide between my legs. This dog just would not give it a rest. It was friendly, it wanted to play, but she wasn't interested. I got annoyed with the owners because they just stood there laughing, when my dog was clearly giving off 'HELP ME, THIS IS STRESSFUL' signals. In the end I just walked off with her by my side, and they only then rushed over because their dog was following us. 🙄
@shroudsshadow9998
@shroudsshadow9998 Жыл бұрын
its real ez when ur a zoo
@3rdreichball525
@3rdreichball525 Жыл бұрын
All i got from this video was if i were ever a flea on a dog i would get really sick. All that turning and fast moving, and bumping from the camera view would kill me if i had to live like that.
@cheddarbob1901
@cheddarbob1901 Жыл бұрын
People need to notice way sooner that their dog is about to start a fight. Gave many obvious warning signs. I would of been extremely upset at pittys owner and kicked him out myself
@sofia_thefirst9366
@sofia_thefirst9366 Жыл бұрын
FR
@katiea2228
@katiea2228 Жыл бұрын
I swear so many owners need to get to know their dogs a lot better. I work at a dog daycare and one night we were promoting our business at a local indoor dog park, where one dog started 4 or 5 full on dog fights before it’s owner finally took it home 🤦‍♀️ If my dog ever started a single fight at a dog park, I’d take her home and try again another day
@DaPaind0ntmind
@DaPaind0ntmind Жыл бұрын
he is lucky, my buddy had his dog attacked and ended up shooting the dog that attacked because the owner didn't call them off or get involved.
@harrywoodman2988
@harrywoodman2988 Жыл бұрын
@@katiea2228 sounds like the problem dog didn't get enough exposure to other dogs/ time in the park as a pup or really bad character, most likely the former. So frustrating to see, some people really need to get it together when they get a new dog.
@cbran9073
@cbran9073 Жыл бұрын
This is why pits get bad reputations because 9/10 of the time they end up with a shitty/ghetto/low financially stable owners with small yards and apartments where a dog as such should not be. Pittbulls are not hard to get for cheap
@abadigital8
@abadigital8 11 ай бұрын
That Pitty is a total buzz kill. He shouldn’t be at park. Ronin is such an awesome social awareness and adaptability. Awesome boy
@abadigital8
@abadigital8 8 ай бұрын
I would love a Belgian for companion and protection. But I’m disabled, and couldn’t provide him the physical activity, and need for a job that she (it would of course be a she!)😨
@gruntgamer4204
@gruntgamer4204 3 ай бұрын
The pit just needs a better owner.
@arthurshat7793
@arthurshat7793 2 ай бұрын
That’s the breed for ya
@arthurshat7793
@arthurshat7793 2 ай бұрын
@@gruntgamer4204breed genetics matter
@berrymint6384
@berrymint6384 2 ай бұрын
it is not the poor dog's fault The humans who should not have him
@guysolis5843
@guysolis5843 Жыл бұрын
I was at the dog park with the little woman and our great Shepherd. He's very well socialized, athletic, patient and great with kids. He's non-aggressive. So in snuck a 20 something girl with a scarred up intact male pit. I usually leave when I see one of them. In this case she told me she rescued him because he was to be euthanized the following day. My dog ran up to me and this pit tried repeatedly to latch onto my pooch. She said he always done that and I told her it was an immediate sign of aggressiveness and I asked her to leave. This dogs focus was to hurt another dog but she refused to remove the vial pit...As we were closing the gate behind us the pit latched on to an elderly husky and wouldn't let go. It began shaking and blood was flowing from the Husky as it's owner tried to free it. The girl owner of the pit was hysterical, she didn't want her dog hurt. Cops showed up and got the damn thing to release....it was a big affair..people should not own the type of dog that is beyond their experience..
@redcar6253
@redcar6253 Жыл бұрын
Omg did the husky survive?
@devourer1st
@devourer1st Жыл бұрын
Some* People don't research anything these days. If its shiny and looks cool they buy it and never train it... Mental
@guysolis5843
@guysolis5843 Жыл бұрын
@@redcar6253 Not sure..I never seen it again..
@grizzlee2147
@grizzlee2147 Жыл бұрын
What a dumb bitch, unfortunately happens way too often
@pumpgod940
@pumpgod940 Жыл бұрын
Owner of 2 brother rotties been showing up at a near dog park for a couple months, ignoring the fact they walk him and often manage to escape from the car and rush at the gate, whenever he arrives basically all males have to leave 'cause he's completely fucking clueless. Never corrects them, 100% never contacted a trainer, he's just a liability. As much as I love rotties to death, when they turn out like this they are the definition of danger.
@marissa5664
@marissa5664 10 ай бұрын
oh my god, the way ronin stepped back from the fight and showed many warning signs prove how much effort and talent went into his training. truly amazing, well done!!
@lindabransgrove8891
@lindabransgrove8891 Жыл бұрын
I had the exact same situation 3 yrs ago - my intact 9 yr old mal was attacked by a pit bull at the dog park. The fight was serious. The owner of the pit just stood there within 10 ft watching. I, on the other hand, grabbed my leather leash & promptly began beating his dog. My guy was a senior citizen, did nothing to provoke this & I was worried about him getting hurt. Pit finally backed off & owner grabbed him & left. The other people at the park said that this guy was encouraging his pittie to fight with the other dogs the whole time he was there.
@drjay73
@drjay73 Жыл бұрын
The owner of that Pit doesn't deserve to have him. I hate hearing stories like this because it gives the animals a bad name when the reality is, their owner failed them. Yes Pits are beautiful and powerful but they are still animals that deserve to live a quality loving life. They are different than most dogs and have to be trained accordingly. Unfortunately many people get them for all the wrong reasons and these are the types of problems that are the result
@jhova6542
@jhova6542 Жыл бұрын
Some pit owners deep down want to see their dog in action. That why he was just standing there. He never seen a pit fight in person, so he wanted that. It’s said but some ppl are animals themselves. I would kicked the crap out that pit too
@patrickmoylan5983
@patrickmoylan5983 Жыл бұрын
I had similar situation but I went after owner after dogs were put up. I terrified the older man by calling police and giving them his license plate and reporting that elderly man who has dementia is driving his car on wrong side of road. He got detained then he had 24 hour mental health evaluation at hospital . This not a joke and true story. This works to if you have problems with elderly people .
@andygarcia9864
@andygarcia9864 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickmoylan5983gangster 😎
@Gibeah
@Gibeah Жыл бұрын
​@@jhova6542 I woulda kicked the crap out of the owner
@PradyutPratimGoswami
@PradyutPratimGoswami Жыл бұрын
There are some clown pitbull owners with their pitbulls thinking their pitbull can even take on a lion. Stay away from these clowns.
@jamessurnamepending1239
@jamessurnamepending1239 Ай бұрын
I had an argument with someone who thought their French bulldog could not only kill me, but also a BULL. Like a straight up fully grown bull All the while the poor thing is sitting there panting in cold weather with no exercise
@cadynbartlett7350
@cadynbartlett7350 Жыл бұрын
that is amazing how smart that dog is. And how he's just avoiding conflict the whole and doesn't lose control. Prop to the owner he knows his stuff!
@zombizombi
@zombizombi Жыл бұрын
You think this is avoiding conflict? The other dog went for his neck. You people are crazy.
@aintNexus
@aintNexus Жыл бұрын
@@zombizombiNot the one who wrnt for the neck, the other one...
@CristanioPeweyyy
@CristanioPeweyyy Жыл бұрын
​@@zombizombiRonin could of bitched that pit
@WaffleYabbler
@WaffleYabbler Жыл бұрын
@@zombizombiand the zero reading comprehension award goes to…
@zombizombi
@zombizombi Жыл бұрын
@@WaffleYabbler At least I don't need to use my dog to compensate for dick size. Walking around letting it threaten another dog that could easily kill it because you you want to vicariously feel hard.
@treefellonya
@treefellonya Жыл бұрын
I have had trouble with Pit owners as well. Its like they want something to happen. Love Malinois dogs - awesome breed.
@JonDoe-uq1mk
@JonDoe-uq1mk Жыл бұрын
This is what happens when you haven't fed your pit bull a small child for several days.
@pumpgod940
@pumpgod940 Жыл бұрын
Most of them are just retarded. Usually a beefy dude, sports t-shirt or hoodie, 90s bully haircut, talks out of his ass and believes holding dogs by the neck is "how his baby plays". I've met plenty of wonderful pitties(helps that my dog is mentally unable to instigate a fight 😂 and is just a goofball, even some that "had issues with males) but it takes brain to own a dog. Some more then others.
@Jacob-gq7id
@Jacob-gq7id Жыл бұрын
Fuck ALL pit owners. I don't care if I've known you for decades. If you own a pit I will automatically question your judgement.
@gustavosousa8254
@gustavosousa8254 Жыл бұрын
@@JonDoe-uq1mkbro💀
@clonker77
@clonker77 Жыл бұрын
@@JonDoe-uq1mk gotta keep that mauled toddler scented candle lit to keep the pittie happy or else there will be another "misunderstood poor baby pittie" in shelters
@lkmidge
@lkmidge Жыл бұрын
My dog was intact until after he was 2. I had to stop taking him to dog parks because dogs would try to attack him. I had a pit walk up to him, pin him to the ground, and bit his face. Another time I had a pack of THREE German shepherds go after him, I picked him up and put him above my head and they jumped up on my back to try to get any part of him they could. People need to socialize their dogs and properly train them. Shit owners is what gives dog parks a bad name.
@allitus
@allitus Жыл бұрын
i hope you didn't go to a dog park after that unless you were alone with your dog or had a familiar dog accompany you. young pups can be traumatized easily by bad experiences with other/bigger/dominant dogs. i've been there, my own pup is very wary of other dogs and we try to meet with as many dogs during our walks as possible, but i won't force him to socialize. when he was younger, a couple of bigger dogs out of their leash in different situations attacked him and i did as you did, picked him up so the other dogs would give up and go away. it's upsetting how people keep defening their dog at a situation when it's their fault at having their dog out of leash when they're clearly a danger to other dogs and possibly even people
@lkmidge
@lkmidge Жыл бұрын
@@allitus I’ve never been back to a dog park and never will. I take my dog hiking where people don’t frequent so I can let him be a dog, or I bring him with me to the farm where my horse is and let him wander with the owners dogs. Much safer than dog parks.
@allitus
@allitus Жыл бұрын
@@lkmidge that sounds really nice! i'm sorry you've had such bad experiences, hope your dog lives a long, carefree life
@pawake
@pawake Жыл бұрын
The fact that you keep bringing your dog to a place when you know it will get attacked, over and over again is the problem. Put your ego aside and simply don’t go to the dog park
@lkmidge
@lkmidge Жыл бұрын
@@pawake lol please reread my comment and also the comments below. You’re an idiot if you think I kept bringing my dog back.
@MJSPANKS
@MJSPANKS 8 ай бұрын
Irresponsible pit owners as usual
@houdinihir9549
@houdinihir9549 Ай бұрын
Not at all
@saljewsteinbergowitz
@saljewsteinbergowitz 21 күн бұрын
lol it's not the owners, you absolute goofball. It's the breed. Look at the statistics and face reality. You're probably the same person that says black crime is because black parenting... No it's just blacks being blacks. They're the same everywhere they go in the world, just like a pitbull.
@NYSeaNile
@NYSeaNile Жыл бұрын
This is why I stopped going to dog parks. I used to have an akita/lab mix who loved to play but was very well trained and passive. He had gotten bit twice by a pitt and german shepherd before I called it quits. I have a big back yard but just wanted my dogs to get used to seeing and playing with other dogs but you just cant trust all dog owners.
@stronglift1873
@stronglift1873 11 ай бұрын
You cant trust most dog owners. Most people are idiots
@Sliding_With_PAWS
@Sliding_With_PAWS 9 ай бұрын
or dogs
@PrinterRotative8
@PrinterRotative8 7 ай бұрын
Change the hours you going. But continue to go. At the end of the day, its only just dogs, accidents happens. They bite and may be bite, though its rare. I have an american akita/ malamuthe whos huge, and he have been attacked before too, but he really learn a lot in those dogs parks. Very important for dogs to socialise (ever more for Akitas), and i have confidence I AND him can deal with those kind of situation together. You have to watch for signs and withdraw when you see those
@ACottonPillow
@ACottonPillow Жыл бұрын
I couldn't stay quiet like you. I would definitely say something, and I would definitely step in for my dog. I don't care if he can hold his own. I jump.
@ghostsimone8691
@ghostsimone8691 Жыл бұрын
then ur a dumbass
@mordecaiissad8529
@mordecaiissad8529 Жыл бұрын
He did mention that for his assessment this would only make things worse for his dog but was ready to step in if it was needed. My exes female pittie lab mix (according to the vet she was a rescue) had a very aggressive run up and stare down a frienchie I was so glad the owner (who was right on top of them) didn't really try to interfere, as it gave us time to get there and take her away. If he had tried to mess with her both of the dogs mightve reacted and who knows how it would go. But yeah we saw her run up and we immediately went to see wtf she's doing and take her away. I can't imagine just sitting there while your dog is starting shit.
@cellogirl11rw55
@cellogirl11rw55 Жыл бұрын
Yelling can actually escalate a dog fight because it sounds like barking. You can also get bitten, too if you're not careful.
@shila9430
@shila9430 Жыл бұрын
its very annoying to say something because they instantly switch it and blame you for having an aggressive dog. its a dead end talking to those kind of people and sadly its a majority of dog owners that are in denial about their dogs behavior.
@dmlp103
@dmlp103 Жыл бұрын
Jumping in may escalate because your dog now thinks it must protect you as well.
@alden1132
@alden1132 11 ай бұрын
"That guy was a butthole, huh, dad? Hey, I found a ball! Look dad, a ball!" Ronin's a good boi, well-tempered and friendly. Glad everything turned out alright! 😁
@VideoGameLover1998
@VideoGameLover1998 7 ай бұрын
This is why I can’t take my dogs to the dogs park. Pits and their owners ruin everything
@saljewsteinbergowitz
@saljewsteinbergowitz 21 күн бұрын
It's honestly just pits lol. They have good owners, it doesn't matter tho... They have been bred to fight
@notvergingai1053
@notvergingai1053 16 күн бұрын
What? I own a pit, and they are mostly more gentle and more kind than German shepherds and other Breeds. It's just that the owners of pits don't know how to train dogs. Pits are family dogs, not fighting dogs. Their original name is nanny dog Atleast research before you blabber nonsense And maybe try owning a pit and see how intelligent and sweet they are. I owned a German shepherd too, her name is stomy and when compared to her my pit Brittish is way more easy to train, doesn't bark much and don't go around attacking or barking every dog he sees​@@saljewsteinbergowitz
@lilyst.pierre6457
@lilyst.pierre6457 Жыл бұрын
So nice to see someone who knows how to "read dogs" and take the time to train his own! Thank you!!!
@andybrown1002
@andybrown1002 Жыл бұрын
Ronin is such a good boy! You and anyone involved in his training have done an excellent job, thoroughly impressed with his ability to protect himself without further escalating the situation
@SSquidFishh0
@SSquidFishh0 Жыл бұрын
This was so interesting to watch. Ronin is definitely a very well trained and well mannered dog! Im happy nobody got hurt here
@sam56094
@sam56094 Жыл бұрын
But he kept invading all the dogs and caused each one to tense up. Let me know if I’m wrong please because I’m trying to understand dogs, I rewatched the video and In each video ronin was the one confronting each dog.
@roy4091
@roy4091 Жыл бұрын
If you ask me, I'd say Ronin was the bully in the yard
@sam56094
@sam56094 Жыл бұрын
@@roy4091 that’s what I’m saying but everyone wants to act like these dogs are attacking him. !
@LAStars-sratS
@LAStars-sratS Жыл бұрын
@@sam56094 you use the term invading, it was natural curiosity and not done with aggression. Just dog behaviour. He didn’t bully any dogs.
@cosmicreef5858
@cosmicreef5858 Жыл бұрын
Not really. He did not back off when he invaded the PIt's personal space. He needs to learn still but i do not blame him nor his human.
@SaltNBattery
@SaltNBattery 6 ай бұрын
If you're at a dog park and you see a Bull breed, a fighting breed, I suggest you just leave. It's not worth it and people can screech all they want but the data doesn't lie and stereotypes exist for a reason. Not everyone should be allowed to own a dog and most people shouldn't be allowed to own a fighting or a working dog. Period.
@johningle1
@johningle1 3 ай бұрын
Agreed.. I just leave.
@gruntgamer4204
@gruntgamer4204 3 ай бұрын
How's the weather from the high horse you're apparently enjoying?
@masterenos
@masterenos 3 ай бұрын
​@@gruntgamer4204Its fucking great, and Op is correct. Some breeds take the right owner, with time dedication and discipline.
@soulofhandball
@soulofhandball 3 ай бұрын
I mean pitbulls are the second most tolerable breed....but sure I mean facts are facts right
@gruntgamer4204
@gruntgamer4204 3 ай бұрын
@@soulofhandball one sided facts. The majority of people taking the so-called "surveys" are always prejudiced against pits. 90% of the people I know who've been attacked by dogs were attacked by German Shepherds. Which from everything I've seen, are the single most aggressive breed of dog aside from Dobermans. I'll trust a wild polar bear before I ever trust a German Shepard or a Doberman.
@Folgershomebrew
@Folgershomebrew Жыл бұрын
People need to grab their dogs when a fight breaks out, I stopped taking mine to a dog park after her ear got damaged by a husky, the other just brushes it off “oh their only playing” then grabs their dog and leaves the dog park instantly avoiding our questions. Another instance is where two black dogs nearly drowned our own, she’s not great at swimming but they were backing her up into the water, she just wanted to leave and stay close to us, but the two dogs kept blocking her from leaving, basically drove her to the ground. The owns of those dogs only called them, didn’t really step in, my dad was about to step in and get their dogs off ours. I was ready to grab my own.
@aaronconstantine1292
@aaronconstantine1292 Жыл бұрын
🫣
@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids
@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids Жыл бұрын
Lesson learned... shouldn't bring your dog to the dog park with a pond if she can't handle play fighting and can't swim...
@57colliegirl
@57colliegirl Жыл бұрын
Dog parks are for idiots.
@ScuffedLandlord
@ScuffedLandlord Жыл бұрын
@@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids Let me guess. You own a pit bull.
@joshez1
@joshez1 Жыл бұрын
@@ScuffedLandlord and its name is princess poopsiekins
@Bees_Animations
@Bees_Animations Жыл бұрын
Ronin has a very kind personality from what I can tell, never tries to square up or shows signs of aggressiveness rarely (actually almost never) And always tries to back down from fights when he gets the chance to unlike some other dogs .
@greyngreyer5
@greyngreyer5 Жыл бұрын
@MrFangaz 360 kick to the face just like Malinois do
@Tiger4ever89
@Tiger4ever89 Жыл бұрын
@RoderickTheRed believe me.. if that pitbull tried to even look at Ronin's owner.. he was going to lose control
@Bees_Animations
@Bees_Animations Жыл бұрын
@RoderickTheRed yeah but he clearly wasn’t trained to be, but he definitely has the strength of one. I’m just saying he’s very well cared for and doesn’t have a reason to be aggressive to new dogs unless they are to him
@Bees_Animations
@Bees_Animations Жыл бұрын
@RoderickTheRed wdym?
@drayott-jr
@drayott-jr Жыл бұрын
​​@RoderickTheRed you act like your dog being aggressive is a good thing... its not. Your dog is a danger if he is provoking and engaging in fights and you're encouraging this behavior. He may end up killing a smaller dog or being injured/killed himself. Please be wary of your dog before something bad happens. Its better for both him and you. Most vets and professionals recommend if your dog is aggressive and oversexual (usually also a byproduct) to neuter him to not have issues (Some people don't have to, but in your situation you said he is openly aggressive to other male dogs). He also should be trained. Having a guard dog but not deciding to train it is a huge issue. I forgot to add, neutering your dog can also protect him from other dogs. Male dogs are more aggressive to unneutered dogs which could be another source of aggression (though it sounds like your dog is that dog who starts the problems with other unneutered males).
@missw5280
@missw5280 Жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to see his friend came out of nowhere and Ronin got to being himself this quick!
@robertvolpendesta9423
@robertvolpendesta9423 Жыл бұрын
First mistake, NO TOYS AT THE DOG PARK!
@20PINKluvr
@20PINKluvr Жыл бұрын
Never bring a toy aggressive dog to the park
@666Dethclok
@666Dethclok Жыл бұрын
Never bring a pitbull anywhere
@floridashottest2538
@floridashottest2538 Жыл бұрын
​@@666Dethclok never leave comments like yours ANYWHERE... But yeah, DEFINITELY no toys at the dog park. People are dumb asf for bringing them. Most dogs, when they get a toy are not gonna wanna share even if they aren't aggressive
@666Dethclok
@666Dethclok Жыл бұрын
@@floridashottest2538 Naah, just dont bring Pitbull's anywhere, and there really shouldnt be an issue.
@washedupwarvet2027
@washedupwarvet2027 Жыл бұрын
@Gr Ch Nigerino yes it is, it’s just a matter of time before it mauls someone’s pet or a kid. Pit bulls should be banned.
@solescorpionofficial
@solescorpionofficial Жыл бұрын
Just the run-up the Pit mix made to Ronin spelled bad news from the start, that and his tenacious attitude towards Ronin in general. Regardless Ronin handled the situation beautifully and as it should be
@katiejean5879
@katiejean5879 Жыл бұрын
It wasn't a mix
@17LYFE
@17LYFE Жыл бұрын
@@katiejean5879yes it was it ain’t a full blooded pit
@katiejean5879
@katiejean5879 Жыл бұрын
@@17LYFE watch the whole video. The pit mix is nice, the full pit is my aggressive
@jasonvoorhees7288
@jasonvoorhees7288 Жыл бұрын
@Gr Ch Nigerino What is it?Looks exactly like a Pitt.
@iambrainwrEck
@iambrainwrEck Жыл бұрын
yeah he should remove pit bull from the title, its NOT a APBT so it is NOT a pit bull. it is a MUTT. and as with any dog, ESPECIALLY ANY GAME/WORKING DOG BREED... any attacks are SOLELY the owners fault. as you should NOT be able to own working/game dogs without knowing how to handle/train/ AS WELL as have the time and energy to exercise and give them attention.... ALL DOGS ARE WOLVES. REMEMBER THAT. IT IS ON THE OWNER. AND PIT BULLS ARE SO CONSTANTLY MIS LABELED THAT THERE IS LITERALLY 147 BREEDS LABELED AS PIT BULLS IN THE STATISTICS THAT CLEARLY MISLEAD YOU INTO THINKING PITTIES ARE EVER PEOPLE AGGRESIVE, THEY ARE NOT, EXCEPT IN THE ONE SITUATION WHEN ANY DOG BREED BECOMES HUMAN AGGRESIVE. ABUSE AND NEGLECT.
@RaleighLink
@RaleighLink Жыл бұрын
A lot of noticeable wrongs here coming from a vet student. Dog parks aren’t the greatest environment for dogs and unneutered dogs (male and female) shouldn’t be taken to public dog parks. Try taking your dog to a hiking trail or beach, when you notice aggressive behavior try to stop the interaction before it becomes violent to protect the animals, don’t wait to try to catch it on camera.
@alive-25
@alive-25 2 ай бұрын
that's exactly what I think!! Plus it's much funner on a beach or hiking around!😊
@MrBrad777c
@MrBrad777c 11 ай бұрын
Very impressive how your able to read all the dog cues. Id personally be terrified to have my dog with unleashed aggressive pitts but Ronin appears to be able to hold his own if needed!
@molesoul40
@molesoul40 3 ай бұрын
You are very good at reading dog behaviors. But I'm wondering why people leave their male dogs intact in the first place when it's known to be a trigger for aggression in other dogs.
@dkitt-1
@dkitt-1 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I own a Mal X and have owned several Belgian Mals. This breed is NOT unpredictable and gives off very readable signals. Your analysis is spot on and informative. I shared it with a few of my dog park friends. Thanks.
@terrenceduarte5348
@terrenceduarte5348 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Great vid
@hathwayh3209
@hathwayh3209 Жыл бұрын
I got one too, he's name is zac. Great dog.
@Quibblet
@Quibblet 9 ай бұрын
Belgian Malinois are the dog equivalent to the military and police force, while pitbulls are like thugs.
@Hollister4920
@Hollister4920 Жыл бұрын
The fact that the pit had a partial muzzle shows it’s an aggressive dog and has probably attacked before. That fight would’ve been much worse if not for the partial muzzle.
@CleverClover2023
@CleverClover2023 Жыл бұрын
Head collars are NOT muzzles.
@Kev621
@Kev621 Жыл бұрын
Not sure where this is, or where you're from...but head collars and muzzles on pitbulls in public is a law. I had to register mine with the police department when I move to Louisiana. We also have to have at least a 6ft leash on them even in our own fenced in yard. However, with my boxers vs my pitbull, I'd take the pit any day. Just cause of when I fainted due to a high fever, she wedged her body underneath and slowly got me to bed. My boxer, has more of a "let's just see how long it takes before we help" personality.
@Hollister4920
@Hollister4920 Жыл бұрын
@@CleverClover2023 whatever it is it kept that dog from being able to get a full bite in which definitely prevented a much worse scenario
@Whatupplaya
@Whatupplaya Жыл бұрын
@@Hollister4920 Its a gentle leader, it's just for if your dog pulls when on leash. They can still open their mouth fully.
@dubthabreak
@dubthabreak Жыл бұрын
@Gr Ch Nigerino okay snowflake we know by now and in a fact nobody gives a s**t
@gabepagan8949
@gabepagan8949 Жыл бұрын
I live in a military town. Those who’ve lived in a military town know that people of said town usually own a pit bull or a German shepherd or Belgian malinois. The people with the pit bulls don’t actually train/know how to handle their dogs so that’s why I haven’t been back to the dog park since my dog was still a puppy
@Anthrzith
@Anthrzith Жыл бұрын
Honest question how much does the stereo type of bad pit owners play in how other people let their dogs socialize with the pits. I live in germany and one of the most prejudiced dogs for Bad behaviours are shepherd dogs. Socializing my half berieseln Mountain dog/ hovawart mix was easy since she looked cute and so many people wanted to pet/let their dogs play with ours. My knpv x-herder was cute as a puppe but after the 7-8 month marked i noticed how much different people reacted to him even if he was completly non aggressive , quiet and right next to me on leash.
@Hollystein
@Hollystein Жыл бұрын
@@Anthrzithn America people are not automatically afraid of castrated/non castrated or gender or looks. You have to think, we have a lot of space, are a young country, big houses with big yards and people live far apart. Europeans have spacial fear/myths/traditions/wives tales. The common folk didn’t have dogs til “recently” . Sometimes you can talk them out of it by talking to them, sometimes they just want to believe what their grandma told them. I have to put a heart on my little English Lab because he is black even though he was a therapy dog at nursing homes in the states and walks around with a big grin and wagging his butt! Where I live close to Italy, they are afraid of black dogs bigger than a Maltese
@Paul.......
@Paul....... Жыл бұрын
People who go for big fighting breeds are doing it out of ego like 90% of the time. Big power = make man feel good 🤡
@HayleyHart
@HayleyHart Жыл бұрын
@@HollysteinI’m from England and the amount of dog attacks from pitbulls is alarming. Attacks also including death. And yes, bad owners and lack or training is the main reason for these events. But let’s just go back to basics for a second. Any animal can attack. Any dog can attack and cause injury and many people sustain injuries from dogs as small as Jack Russell. Not all dogs, however, have the strength and capability to maul a human to death. There are a few breeds capable of this, not just pitbulls. Mastifs and Rottweiler and even German shepherd can kill a person. So my next question, why the hell would anyone want an animal like this in their home? The amount of people who have actually had their limbs ripped off, especially by pitbulls is appalling. Being a good owner and training your dog will massively reduce the risk of the dog turning on humans. But it can still happen and does all the time. Dog’s turning vicious on humans isn’t always a result of lack of training or abuse. They are an animal with feelings and that means their personality can change and anything could spook them. There are terrible dog owners for just about every breed that exists, yet it’s always the same breeds that are killing and disfiguring people. Go figure.
@AustinTheRustySpoon
@AustinTheRustySpoon Жыл бұрын
@@Paul.......I completely disagree. Most ppl who have big dogs have the big dogs simply because they wanted them, not because of strength or anything like that. I love big dogs so much, there’s more to love and more to cuddle.
@nessuhtodd8053
@nessuhtodd8053 11 ай бұрын
Cool video! Ppl do not understand how much time needs to go with having these specific breeds. You have trained ronin so well! Many blessings to you both❤
@Bomaht
@Bomaht Жыл бұрын
Omg, Ronin is such a good boy for handling that so well. He went right back to play with his best buddy. Well done owner!
@bdotty2320
@bdotty2320 Жыл бұрын
Looked more like a American bully mutt but ronin handled that situation greatly, greatly trained dogs you have there my friend
@kazumajay
@kazumajay Жыл бұрын
American bullies are a bit more fatter and shorter. But could be a type of pit
@deputydan2226
@deputydan2226 Жыл бұрын
@@kazumajay pitbulls are tall and really slim. bullys aren't a real breed anymore because people destroyed the originals.. So yeah this is a bully mutt.
@SJ-ry9er
@SJ-ry9er Жыл бұрын
To me it looked like it had bull terrier in it. The small eyes, long snout, it's ears are standing up, and his head is shaped like one.
@Texas_Holdin
@Texas_Holdin Жыл бұрын
@@kazumajay bullies have different classes their largest being XL
@glockcarrier
@glockcarrier Жыл бұрын
Pure Bred Shit Bull 😂
@dannydenny430
@dannydenny430 Жыл бұрын
You're dog is amazing. Me and that pit owner probably would've thrown hands.
@aaronconstantine1292
@aaronconstantine1292 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😆😆
@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids
@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids Жыл бұрын
yeah ok buddy. I assume you have 836 confirmed sniper kills too right?
@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids
@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids Жыл бұрын
@@dannydenny430 nope I'm pretty happy and not lonely at all but good try with the amateur psychology sweetheart. Nobody "popped off" on you, just an observant person noticed that you're an insecure clown. You're below my weight class madam, plus I don't hit children. You're 5'9" AT MOST with that small man attitude 😘
@dannydenny430
@dannydenny430 Жыл бұрын
@@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids the fact you replied makes you my bitch
@millerstation92
@millerstation92 Жыл бұрын
@@Miles_Goodson_Bangs_Kids lmao he's a gravy seal
@Greenriver592
@Greenriver592 6 ай бұрын
Pitbulls are inherently more dangerous than other breeds and the people that gravitate towards that breed are often in denial about it and get an attitude.
@tastefulcash3658
@tastefulcash3658 Жыл бұрын
ronins sucha good boy i love him
@stellarraven
@stellarraven Жыл бұрын
It’s great that this video explains the behavior of each of the dogs so thoroughly and accurately.
@deathrager2404
@deathrager2404 Жыл бұрын
it doesnt. it really doesnt. if you know about dogs you know that they dont give a fuck about you, only about being dominant and receiving food. lol dogs dont love YOU, they love FOOD.
@The_Northerner
@The_Northerner Жыл бұрын
Its super over-analyzed. Not all of it is accurate.
@GreenGenerationTV
@GreenGenerationTV Жыл бұрын
@@The_Northerner almost none of it is accurate
@RW-td2hz
@RW-td2hz Жыл бұрын
@@GreenGenerationTV felt like anyone could make up things at each pause lol
@doomjuice.1652
@doomjuice.1652 Жыл бұрын
@@The_Northernersourc
@OmeWutru
@OmeWutru Жыл бұрын
This was really cool to see. I really liked it how you explained the behaviour of your dog and the other dogs! 😊
@richardross7219
@richardross7219 Жыл бұрын
In many cases, dogs are a lot smarter than people. Many years ago, Jack was in his back yard digging up a pipe to repair. His large black lab was sitting there watching. A stranger drove up into a neighbor's driveway with a german sheppard. The sheppard spotted Daisy and started aggressively barking. The sheiss kopf laughed and let the sheppard out. It sprinted towards Daisy and leapt at her. Jack was out out the hole with his shovel in a flash. While the sheppard was in mid air, Daisy stood up, raised her head and opened her mouth. The sheppard came down with its throat in Daisy's mouth. She clamped down and tore the sheppard's throat out. It died instantly. The sheiss kopf started screaming at Jack about Daisy being a vicious dog and that he was going to pay for the sheppard. His buddy was a sergeant with the police force and would see to it. Jack asked who the sergeant was and then informed the sheiss kopf that he was under arrest. Jack was a lieutenant at the time. As a kid who played with Daisy, I had a lot of new respect for her.
@TheTervlover
@TheTervlover Жыл бұрын
Ha sheise kopf
@kiuk_kiks
@kiuk_kiks Жыл бұрын
What does Sheist Kopf mean? What breed was Daisy?
@richardross7219
@richardross7219 Жыл бұрын
@@kiuk_kiks Its German for sh*t head and Daisy was a black labrador retriever.
@kiuk_kiks
@kiuk_kiks Жыл бұрын
@@richardross7219 Since when we’re black labs killers?
@richardross7219
@richardross7219 Жыл бұрын
@@kiuk_kiksShe was normally a very sweet dog but, she probably thought that it was going to go after her Daddy(Jack). The great thing about most dogs is they will give their all to protect their family. We had Newfies. They were big cuddly lap dogs(in their minds) until they perceived a threat. They were very protective of my wife and son. They knew that I only needed to be given a "heads-up".
@sameulljacson9807
@sameulljacson9807 Жыл бұрын
AMAZING dog you have!!❤ I really enjoyed how you broke down with subtitles the language dogs use. More dogs need this socialization!! 99% of dogs are naturally made to avoid conflict. I like the way your dog constantly tried to deestilated the confertation, but stood his ground when push came to shove. You are amazing trainer!
@giftofthewild6665
@giftofthewild6665 Жыл бұрын
Dogs don't need dog parks. Look what happened here with the pit. This is a really nice mal with good dog communication. He can get totally fucked up from a few bad experiences at the dog park and become aggressive. Dog parks are a crapshoot each time. You don't know who is going to be there and whether they are going to bring an aggressive dog.
@seajayste
@seajayste Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see this view when my Pomeranian was attacked by a pitbull. I wasn’t there, but someone else was walking my dog for me. She (pitbull) was leashed but stronger than her owner and pulled him to the ground to run after my Pomeranian (male) who always yapped at other dogs, he had a lot of anxiety around big dogs especially. Due to size differences, she ended up grasping his neck and puncturing his trachea. We rushed to the vet but they waited too long to do surgery and he passed in the night. The fight in this video thankfully de escalated, but it can absolutely lead to fatality. Pitbulls are no joke, and they all need to be trained professionally to ensure they listen in triggering prey-predator situations. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they were abused by an owner, they’re just in default mode when untrained. They were bred for bloodsport, so that’s what they’re good at. Pomeranians were friggin lap dogs for Queen Victoria, so they’re not going to be the same as a pit. I get the “don’t hate the breed” shit but there’s logic that needs to come into play. They aren’t humans facing racism, which is so different and rooted in hate. These are animals bred by humans for certain jobs and purposes.
@MariaClara-vq4zc
@MariaClara-vq4zc Жыл бұрын
My rescue chihuahua mix wax killed by a very sweet pittie girl last month. I am still very bitter over the whole incident. It’s always got to be the breed. It takes a special person to raise a well mannered pittie. I don’t say they don’t exist
@Jacob-gq7id
@Jacob-gq7id Жыл бұрын
​@@MariaClara-vq4zc "killed by a very sweet pittie mix" You're the problem. Thanks for showing people how fuckin delusional pit lovers are. you should get the shot after the "sweet" pitbull.
@PeaceIsYeshua
@PeaceIsYeshua Жыл бұрын
@@Courtney, yes!! This is such a sensible and reasonable comment, and I’m so very sorry you lost your dog to an out of control pitbull. 😔
@GhostOfThePines
@GhostOfThePines Жыл бұрын
pit bulls were bred to be nanny dogs...
@formulawalsh
@formulawalsh Жыл бұрын
you are the problem its ok for your dog to go "yapping" at pitbulls when you know their history
@kristenweekleyandcatbelly680
@kristenweekleyandcatbelly680 Жыл бұрын
Ronin is a very good 🐕 dog he sure knows just what to do
@aaronconstantine1292
@aaronconstantine1292 Жыл бұрын
He started smelling he started it.
@ccherry3340
@ccherry3340 Жыл бұрын
I work at a dog daycare and something I always hated about public dog parks what that they leave toys and other resources on the ground. Whenever we bring the dogs out for potty break we make ABSOLUTE sure there arent toys in the yard for them to resource guard, its just a recipe for disaster.
@mamesjccoy
@mamesjccoy Жыл бұрын
Great video with some wonderful explanation but isn’t the pit covering his teeth when he’s going for Ronins neck? It just doesn’t look like the intent was there. 100% he’s being an arse but that doesn’t look like he’s trying to cause proper damage?
@symstrider
@symstrider Жыл бұрын
Yes, it does look like it.
@FemboyPrince
@FemboyPrince Жыл бұрын
@@symstrider No it doesn't. Dog fights don't happen by a dog jumping around and nipping at the other's neck. Had to break up dog fights before, the dogs will literally latch onto anything they can as soon as the fight starts, ears, legs, jaws, face, neck, they don't care what they bite down on.
@n4t3b85
@n4t3b85 Жыл бұрын
Ronin is literally so awesome. He’s the first dog I’ve seen stand up to a pit bull and pretty much win. Loved this video
@Gibeah
@Gibeah Жыл бұрын
yeah, Malinois are crazy😂 They're dog weight, cat movements
@jeffreyjohnson5556
@jeffreyjohnson5556 Жыл бұрын
Not a full blood pit for starters. Second it had some type of tie on its snout. And the owner should have put it on the leash when it started to use time as a teaching experience. Majority of pit owners have no frigging clue . "Oh they are so cool looking " no idea how to handle it
@RaydeChicago
@RaydeChicago Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyjohnson5556 you have no clue that the pitbull was wearing a gentle lead . It’s a great way to walk a dog that pulls a lot . It actually helps the dog learn not to pull . It’s based on what they use for a horse . Rather the tie goes around the dogs snout . It’s not a muzzle .
@infinitehexington
@infinitehexington Жыл бұрын
​@@RaydeChicagohe never called it a muzzle 💀
@JEM471025
@JEM471025 Жыл бұрын
I have a Malinois as well. She is honestly the best dog I’ve ever had and I had different breeds of dogs in my life. Had labs, a Shepard, and a pitbull. And honestly the pitbull was the worst experience I ever had with a dog and my malinois was the best. I got rid of the pitbull because she attacked my malinois and almost killed her. My malinois nova is okay cause she can defend herself pretty well. But the pitbull came at me when I was 8 months pregnant and my malinois protected me. I kept the malinois cause the pit was the primary aggressor and when breaking up fights my malinois nova would try to run from the pitbull and listen to me but the pitbull wouldn’t stop attacking. We were about to have a baby so with the pitbulls aggression like that she had to go to protect the whole family.
@MJSPANKS
@MJSPANKS 8 ай бұрын
Shepherd is a lottttt smarter of a breed than a pit bull
@STIPanda
@STIPanda 2 ай бұрын
That is just a factually inaccurate statement. I understand you may not like pitbulls but dont be spouting nonsense, it just makes you look ignorant.
@Hellebarde1351
@Hellebarde1351 Ай бұрын
@@STIPandain every large study about dog breed intelligence, sheperds are always in the top 3 of the most intelligent dog breeds, while pitbulls mostly have an average intelligence somewhere in the middle of the breeds studied.
@derekfrancis3707
@derekfrancis3707 Жыл бұрын
Pits shouldn't be allowed in dog parks period.
@YoMigsHere
@YoMigsHere 8 ай бұрын
Fr
@lizzybeary
@lizzybeary 6 ай бұрын
Untrained dogs period. Not pits in particular. Your ignorance is showing.
@derekfrancis3707
@derekfrancis3707 6 ай бұрын
@@lizzybeary Go research what breeds are responsible for the overwhelming majority of dog bites and deaths and get back to me sweetie.
@twinklefire7241
@twinklefire7241 2 ай бұрын
@@lizzybearyPits are banned is most Canadian provinces. They’re banned and being euthanized in the UK. People are starting to wake up, thank goodness.
@nuagebas8327
@nuagebas8327 25 күн бұрын
Go research how many stupid people go get a pit only for their shitty reputation. That's the way they want them. That's the reason they keep having a bad image, people cultivate it. Meet a great dog owner who has a pit and meet a great dog.
@DamirUlovec
@DamirUlovec Жыл бұрын
A neck bite is life-threatening. The Pit Bull is most certainly trained to do this. The owner obviously has serious mental problems because his dog is behaving so aggressively. Also, Ronin shows its strong character, because (most of the time) the character and behavior of a dog outlines the character and behavior of its owner. Well done Ronin.
@Hardcastle83
@Hardcastle83 Жыл бұрын
Trained to do it? 😂
@testerwulf3357
@testerwulf3357 Жыл бұрын
Going for the neck is something ALL predators know how to do, it’s instinct! However dogs usually do not do so as in a typical fight they usually aren’t aiming to kill..so that pit has issues.
@LeastInsaneUtsu-PFan
@LeastInsaneUtsu-PFan 11 ай бұрын
@@Hardcastle83yes. Pit bulls are very very easily trainable, and if you get them young, they will act one way for a majority of their lives if they aren’t swayed from that. Most aggressive dogs were either abused, trained that way, or are a chihuahua (aka the devils pet)
@somnolienta_arroyo
@somnolienta_arroyo 10 ай бұрын
These are wild assumptions. Owner is ignorant and too passive, that's what we can tell from the video. Even an idiot would know not to take their dog to a dog park if they trained it to be dog aggressive. This is poor socializing and LACK of training; lets not get it twisted.
@unknownchatter
@unknownchatter 9 ай бұрын
@@LeastInsaneUtsu-PFan i dont think the pit was trained to fight
@realcoolbreeze
@realcoolbreeze 4 ай бұрын
I just think pits are so naturally aggressive. Many pits owners defend their aggressiveness and will disagree . Will say it depends on the owner. Well - of course that s true. Many dog owners though want dominant dogs but don t provide the effort or concern when they mix socially upon happenstance or among other dog breeds in public places.
@baxter6574
@baxter6574 Жыл бұрын
Ronin is a fantastic dog. Well trained and cared for. Thank you for sharing.
@instant_dweeb1396
@instant_dweeb1396 Жыл бұрын
If that pitbull had just checked him for whatever reason then yeah it would have been fine, but after u pointed out the constant resource guarding i realised that that was probably the point where the owners should have stepped in. I’ve only ever had 1 dog of my own and she’s now 9 years old, but I’m constantly learning new behaviors regarding dogs so this video was very beneficial for me. Sorry to see sweet ronin getting attacked😢
@beneficentnature9356
@beneficentnature9356 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the first time I took my 11 month old malanois/malamute to the park. An older guy with a pit was sitting on a log as we entered. My dog was sniffing the ground and being greeted by other dogs. Out of nowhere the pit sprints 20 yards and latches onto my pups ear. I'm 6'2 200lbs and I punched that dog in the head as hard as I could. He yelped/let go, hit the ground, and was clearly stunned. The older man started cussing me out, and I told him I'd do worse to him if I ever saw that dog inside the park again. 6 years later and I've never seen that man or his dog.
@abouttime5000
@abouttime5000 Жыл бұрын
Bravo. I can’t commend you enough for your act of bravery. Well done.
@EezoTheChezo
@EezoTheChezo Жыл бұрын
@@abouttime5000 pathetic
@savagerock4019
@savagerock4019 Жыл бұрын
That’s good we need more people like you that pay attention props
@bigmac3492
@bigmac3492 Жыл бұрын
Nice bro
@MrWirelesscaller
@MrWirelesscaller Жыл бұрын
I had a pitbull and I wouldn't allow it to socialize with other dogs initially unless she was muzzled first. Several dogs did try to go after her on an initial meetup but she was powerful dog and could push down most dogs with brute force alone (she had great genes, she looked I fed her roids and had her drag trains, lol never did anything other than exercise and good dog food/table scraps). Once she knew the dog, she got along with them great, but I never took the chance of letting her hurt other dogs, as tough as she was I knew if she lost it the other dog was going to have it bad, luckily she never got to lose it unmuzzled. I don't understand dog owners that own powerful breeds letting them roam without a muzzle first, while our dogs may be safe around our friends and family outside you never know if the other dog owners socialized their pets or if their dogs are aggressive due to lack of training and discipline. I look at it like this, if you're not willing to stick your hand out and get bitten when your dog gets out of line to rescue someone else's or your dog you shouldn't have one and you don't deserve them.
@blobbertmcblob4888
@blobbertmcblob4888 Жыл бұрын
I don't like dog parks. Way too many things can go wrong. Dogs, trained and socialized or not, still speak their own language. They're reactive and unpredictable and all it takes is that one mixed signal to set off a chain of events that you can't change. I've seen dogs go from happily playing to ripping each other to shreds, all because somewhere along the way, a signal got crossed.
@paulhansen6496
@paulhansen6496 Жыл бұрын
I agree.. my dog Lucky was the best! I shared everything with him every day for over 11years. No dog parks! He ran with a free spirit in the woods of Oregon and Michigan and I crave his company beyond words.
@heide-raquelfuss5580
@heide-raquelfuss5580 Жыл бұрын
Finally 1 person with real common sense and wisdom and brain. Exactly. It took me awhile to come to the same exact conclusion. So, no dog parks for me or (us) either.
@sagarapenguin
@sagarapenguin Жыл бұрын
Fascinating watch as an animal professional with an interest in studying behaviour. Thanks for taking the time to both film and describe the events!
@tomkeppler3519
@tomkeppler3519 10 ай бұрын
Professional lol. That's funny
@bird8847
@bird8847 9 ай бұрын
Ronin is an absolutely awesome dog. Kept himself in control, kept dodging and pushing away the pitbull instead of going for a full on bite, and didn't attack the pitbull once it was restrained. Very nicely trained.
@syzygyfarm
@syzygyfarm Жыл бұрын
I'm still trying to figure out why an intact dog was at a dog park. You know that's going to upset the other dogs.
@heide-raquelfuss5580
@heide-raquelfuss5580 Жыл бұрын
I also wonder why intact people mingle with sterilized/castrated people in a foodball match in the tribune. They should be separated in different seats or spaces😂
@dubthabreak
@dubthabreak Жыл бұрын
@@heide-raquelfuss5580 😂😂🤣👌🏻
@40Corgis
@40Corgis Жыл бұрын
Idk why it took so long to see this answer but you’re absolutely right. No intact males or females in heat should be at the dog park period. The video author even admitted their dog is at peak levels of testosterone. Make it make sense people. Dogs can’t control their instincts but we as their owners can control where we take them. Quit putting your dogs in dangerous situations.
@pumpgod940
@pumpgod940 Жыл бұрын
And the dumbass trophy goes to...
@zeffie100
@zeffie100 4 ай бұрын
The camera on Ronins back is very cool ! 🤠
@DocGTO
@DocGTO Жыл бұрын
I love all the detailed info. My giant schnauzer never instigates anything but some other dogs just don't get along with her. If another dogs gets aggressive she will posture up and she's every bit of 85lbs, bearded and STRONG and no matter what, she will keep herself between my wife and the other dogs. We limit dog parks for that reason.
@MrMarcosema
@MrMarcosema 6 ай бұрын
And where was the pitbull owner? At 2:45 he should had intervene, socializing dogs is also training, you have to correct bad behaviour before it escalates
@decembergoal570
@decembergoal570 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad he's ok
@calebbailea8125
@calebbailea8125 Жыл бұрын
My Cane Corso grew up in quarantine, and my parents don’t like having dogs in the car so he never had a chance to properly socialize. I’m very concerned about taking him out in public. If anyone comes near me he gets standoffish. It’s upsetting, but it’s the truth.
@queenkoi
@queenkoi Жыл бұрын
This is why we have trainers 👍 You can't afford a mistake with a Corso, it could end in disaster. This issue is totally correctable but you need someone with some experience. I wish you the very best luck! We went through that with my brother's dogs that were very affected by the quarantine situation. They both did well with some work.
@MimMim-hs2rs
@MimMim-hs2rs Жыл бұрын
First off, I commend you for acknowledging your dogs behavior, with that being said, understand that he is reacting to your energy, he knows you feel unsure but he doesn't understand why so his immediate instinct is going to be to "defend/protect you", without realizing nor intending to, we become the problem, I suggest you continue to educate yourself on his breed and work on yourself, that's extremely important, notice how calm and controlled the owner is in this video, he knows his dog and his traits and you can see how Ronin seeks reassurance from him, if you feel confident and in control the dog doesn't have to be in alert, "ready to kill" mode, lol, sounds like you want to learn and on the right path, just remember knowledge is power, the more you know the safer and happier you and your baby can be!
@russelldevaney7001
@russelldevaney7001 Жыл бұрын
With Cane Corso you absolutely need to train him well and quickly, like yesterday. If he and you are untrained, you have a walking time bomb at your side.
@abouttime5000
@abouttime5000 Жыл бұрын
Could you explain to us why in hell’s name you would even want to own such a dog ? It makes no sense at all. Akin to juggling a loaded pistol with the safety off. You are in just as much danger as a stranger. These purposely created breeds were used for horrific acts such as tracking down escaped human slaves. Unbelievable. Read about the use Spaniards and conquistadors made of these dogs when destroying peaceful native populations in South America. They were trained to disembowel people and instill fear. Children and adult victims were thrown into pits with these dogs to be ripped apart for enjoyment by handlers. That is the history of these war dogs. Congratulations. The truth should disgust us all.
@edvinparmeza1298
@edvinparmeza1298 Жыл бұрын
I like how fast and agile Malinois was at dodging the pitbull attacks and backing him off, it was almost like an action movie scene
@Krokok
@Krokok Жыл бұрын
Shame he didn’t bite the pit
@moalofvenberg6870
@moalofvenberg6870 Жыл бұрын
@@Krokok Would've not turned out good, my cane corso and german shepherd just got into a fight (two females), the german shepherd´s jaw broke because of cane corso's force. Cane corso got no injuries from german shepherd's teeth. German Shepherd's teeth are sharp but bully's skin is thick, I believe the fight would've just esculated even worse
@giftofthewild6665
@giftofthewild6665 Жыл бұрын
​@@Krokokpits were bred for fighting the mal would have lost.
@AustinTheRustySpoon
@AustinTheRustySpoon Жыл бұрын
@@Krokokactually it’s not. Neither dog got hurt.
@orthopraxis235
@orthopraxis235 9 ай бұрын
if you thought this was an attack you will be blown away when you see an actual attack. if it was an attack, pit bull's jaw would be locked on mal's neck. it didn't, so it wasn't
@henryshort6927
@henryshort6927 9 ай бұрын
Can't understand why anyone would want or have a pitbull. .... Can't trust them and never know when they will attack. They should not be allowed in public.
@MaycolDRoger
@MaycolDRoger 2 күн бұрын
True
@johnflandsiii5248
@johnflandsiii5248 Жыл бұрын
Malinois are no joke at all! He really would've tore that Pit up!! What a disciplined dog. ❤️🐾
@chrisjon6480
@chrisjon6480 Жыл бұрын
Its a GS
@johnflandsiii5248
@johnflandsiii5248 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisjon6480 🗣 it's a Malinois. 🤔🤣
@chrisjon6480
@chrisjon6480 Жыл бұрын
@@johnflandsiii5248 its really not, go learn your dogs....
@chrisjon6480
@chrisjon6480 Жыл бұрын
There's multiple screen shots i can post showing its a GS.... And it def wouldnt of tore up anything. That pitt was on its neck immediately..... Stop hyping these dogs up lol...
@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_
@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ Жыл бұрын
@@chrisjon6480 That pit is alive because of the mercy of this one. Pitts are the autistic midgets of the dog world and so are their owners.
@spykethespider5070
@spykethespider5070 Жыл бұрын
Honestly both owners should have grabbed their dogs when they started staring a eachother. I know that staring can be harmless but it is often the first sign that there might be a problem.
@simbaivankov9864
@simbaivankov9864 Жыл бұрын
My mal name is Xan and he acts exactly like this dog avoids all fights but honestly I don’t get mad at him for defending himself and I 100% know he will never start a fight he usually ignores most dogs and sometimes really only likes females
@Bellabooishere
@Bellabooishere 8 ай бұрын
The fact that Ronin kept on backing away so that he wouldn’t cause danger to the pitbull or himself is amazing! German Shepherds are the best!💕
@CannibalChxrry
@CannibalChxrry Жыл бұрын
Pits need a lot of training, this one really needs it. Hes a beautiful dog, but he needs a lot of help being corrected.
@Bonkbonk100
@Bonkbonk100 Жыл бұрын
Yes! such a beautiful dog! just trying to murder another dog. Very kind and friendly race.
@AustinTheRustySpoon
@AustinTheRustySpoon Жыл бұрын
@@Bonkbonk100it’s called training your dog, Bud. Any dog can try to murder another dog if not trained. Dogs are predators.
@Ngocnito
@Ngocnito Жыл бұрын
“There’s no such thing as a Bad dog”… oh, I beg to differ 😬🤣🤣🤣🤣
@kelefane6233
@kelefane6233 Жыл бұрын
Just bad owners
@gimello5262
@gimello5262 Жыл бұрын
I just discovered your channel and I love it, it has so much information. It helped me a lot!!!
@ashleypinkston7070
@ashleypinkston7070 Жыл бұрын
ive had a pit mix before, she was my first real experience with training and i was so happy with her outcome because she came from a bad background. had multiple people ask me where i got her trained for service. so smart, only problem we had with her is she was terrified of my father, who she was supposed to be a gift for, took three years for her to fully trust him. in the end she ended up my dog and i enjoyed her training. i love seeing how well your dogs act and getting pointers on body language.
@kristyrowland111
@kristyrowland111 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, Ronin was pushy with a lot of dogs. He either needs to be trained to ignore other dogs unless told he can play, or not go to dog parks. You are putting him in these situations. He will get hurt one time or another. The pit shouldn’t have been at the dog park as it was dominant and overly aggressive but your dog was pushy with every dog in the video.
@carvedfromlife8949
@carvedfromlife8949 Жыл бұрын
Finally, i agree with you...everyone in these comments are so goofy "ronin did nothing" "hes so great and tried to avoid this and that" like hes a person lol. Hes a dog and gets too excited around others dogs and that can cause issues and i dont mean excited as in agressive. I have a doberman mix that acts like Ronin, stays in a newly met dogs personal space way more than they like and causes issues lol. There are dogs that will quickly greet and smell each other and move on and then like my dog he will keep smelling the dog closely everywhere when u can tell the dog is getting uncomfortable lol. Just overly interested even if my dog isnt being aggressive, so i try to call my dog back to me or keep him on a long leash to give dogs their space if they need it.
@karlm641
@karlm641 Жыл бұрын
Pitbull trying to fight a Malinois is like a local “tough guy” trying to fight a paratrooper
@dartherus
@dartherus 7 ай бұрын
would a Belgian Malinois defeat a pitbull? Pitbull has a lot more of brute force, AFAIK, would the huge intelligence advantage of the Malinois be enough?
@karlm641
@karlm641 7 ай бұрын
@@dartherus would it be enough? in a word - yes
@CynicalSnowflake
@CynicalSnowflake 7 ай бұрын
@@karlm641 You're delusional. A Pitbull is the elite fighting dog, Malinois aren't even among the top 30 best fighting breeds.
@karlm641
@karlm641 7 ай бұрын
@@CynicalSnowflakeyour username is very apt, you've no idea what you're talking about.
@CynicalSnowflake
@CynicalSnowflake 7 ай бұрын
@@karlm641 I grew up around dogfighting, you are completely delusional if you think any Shepard stands a chance against the fighting breeds. You are clueless.
@sistacentral9307
@sistacentral9307 8 ай бұрын
Cesar Millan says dog parks are a very bad idea, just trouble waiting to happen because of ignorant dog owners!
@MoonChylde0622
@MoonChylde0622 10 ай бұрын
Let's say it louder for those in the back: If your dog resource guards with aggression, the dog park is NOT (clap) AN (clap) APPROPRIATE (clap) PLACE for that dog until they are taught proper socialization! The patience from the confident and balanced Malinois is commendable. Excellent training. Excellent dog.
@christianrm874
@christianrm874 Жыл бұрын
Dog parks are dangerous and people who take their dogs to them are irresponsible
@Miuu_i
@Miuu_i Жыл бұрын
Yeah but there is some dog parks that are meant for like goid
@jmtrs79
@jmtrs79 10 ай бұрын
An aggressive pit like that is a huge liability i don’t see why owners bring them to dog parks
@absconditus3209
@absconditus3209 Жыл бұрын
Seeing the difference in the pit pulls behavior and that of the best friend is pretty interesting. Thank you for giving us such an informative view out of your dogs perspective!
@Planthier76
@Planthier76 11 ай бұрын
Your analysis skills are amazing. I think that to bring a toy can make dogs protective about ressources 😂
@nastyockie3
@nastyockie3 Жыл бұрын
As someone who has a reactive and canine aggressive bull breed, I can’t thank you enough for these videos. I just discovered them, searching for dog fight footage to show the people I trust with caring for my dog when I have to work. I’ve experienced both walkers and family members walking my dog and then letting her off leash in busy parks, when I instruct them that they are under no circumstances to ever walk her anywhere other than quiet residential streets - ON the lead. I’ve explained to people over and over for five years how dog fights occur in the blink of an eye, and how many micro moments stack up to create them. I’ve explained to them the gravity of the consequences being dogs injured or killed - mine or someone else’s. I’ve explained to them the responsibility that comes with caring for a dog who is sensitive and nervous, like mine. I’ve explained to them the different levels of and types of aggression, the reasons for them, the predictable triggers but also the unpredictability of environments we can’t control. I’ve STILL ended up hearing from other dog walkers, or finding out from other family members, that they’ve taken my dog to parks, let her off, and then thrown sticks for her (a huge resource guarding risk). It’s honestly very upsetting. People seem to be unable to comprehend that a dog who they have never seen in a fight, could be aggressive. They meet my dog, see how insanely friendly and loving and content she is with people, they hear me tell them she’s canine reactive, they say they understand but truly - they’re not absorbing what I’m telling them. My last resort is to now insist on watching your videos with anyone who looks after my dog. I’m really amazed to see such clear and well annotated footage of the most important moments: the ones LEADING UP to that seemingly split second moment in which an attack happens. I really hope this helps people understand properly how hard it is to avoid these things happening, even for a dog owner as experienced and knowledgable as the one creating these videos. The thing is, your dog is far safer because of your knowledge. The dogs attacking in these videos are looking at a life of stress, anxiety and probable seizure/death. Also refreshing to see a video and comment section which is not vilifying the pit bull breed as a whole. A lot of bull breeds do suffer from poor genetics, resulting from poor breeding, resulting in a proclivity towards aggression. Pitbull and staffie (in my country) owners have a knee jerk response to the stigma these breeds receive, and in doing so they white wash the very real responsibility that comes with owning a powerful breed - breeds that CAN come with an inherited genetic history of fighting for sport or for protection.
@harshjain3122
@harshjain3122 Жыл бұрын
Most pitbulls are reactive and their handlers don't understand that they have predisposed violence. They aren't ideal as family dogs
@tomkeppler3519
@tomkeppler3519 10 ай бұрын
I think your more of a problem than the dogs
@doggo.kk_idk
@doggo.kk_idk Жыл бұрын
I’m a little late but I love how much hard work you put into your vids
@katiedenski681
@katiedenski681 Жыл бұрын
Your dog Ronin is quite a cool Shepherd. I work at a dog grooming shop, and so many Shepherds that come in are so unbalanced and have such a lack of guidance from their owners, that the dogs have zero confidence and zero idea on how to act. Ronin is quite the opposite. You're an awesome Shepherd owner. Very educated in the breed and in dogs in general, it seems. You have a very confident, balanced Shepherd but you do not need me to tell you that. We need more people like you owning dogs.
@AustinTheRustySpoon
@AustinTheRustySpoon Жыл бұрын
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Ronin isn’t a shepherd 😅 he’s a Belgian Malinois. It’s pretty easy to get the two mixed up
@bicnarok
@bicnarok 4 ай бұрын
That's why I avoid dog parks.. . some dogs shouldn't be at dog parks. My Malinois Boxer mix defended herself a couple of times after being patient, very stressfull situation.
@bfgivmfith
@bfgivmfith Жыл бұрын
Very clear observations of dog behavior. I have rescued many animals in my lifetime. Pit bulls and Belgian Malinois included. Two breeds I would never take to a dog park.
@Loopy_Kick
@Loopy_Kick Жыл бұрын
OMG, that was scary. =0 I am glad it was broken up quickly each time they were about to really get into it. I don't mean to sound like I am against Pit Bulls (I am not and like all dogs), but I don't think certain breeds are the best fit for dog parks in general. Pit Bulls are some of those types of dogs. Not saying there are no Pit Bulls that do good in dog parks, because I have seen there are for myself and understand that not all dogs called Pit Bulls are even the same breed (American Pit Bulls, American Staffordshires, American Bulldogs, and American Bullies are all different breeds that people call Pit Bulls), but these are very powerful, high energy dogs that come from lines of dogs that were made for basically getting into it with other animals from bulls, pigs, raccoons, badgers, other dogs, and even rats. They are said to be pretty good with humans, but anything else is fair game to them. I once saw a video of a Pit Bull attacking a horse. A horse!! The dog had the horse in its mouth just holding it there, and people had to force the Pit Bull to let go. I still believe it is the owner's responsibility for their dogs, but I think that owners need to be especially careful with working dogs bred to basically attack other animals. At least the Pit Bull owner should have had a muzzle for his dog.
@Mister928gts
@Mister928gts Жыл бұрын
Bite statistics in Germany 2022: 1st place: Labrador, 2nd place: Golden Red River 3rd place: German shepherd 43rd place: Pitt bull / Amstaff & Co The misbehaved family dogs make the park a horror! every owner must make a dog certificate of competence... that's safer for everyone ..man and dog!
@Loopy_Kick
@Loopy_Kick Жыл бұрын
@@Mister928gts Thanks for the stats. =D I know that will surprise many people. But those are for bites on humans, right? I could totally understand Pit Bull-like dogs being far down on the list. They are pretty nice and sweet toward people usually. They were made for hunting and fighting animals, so they would be more likely to be mean toward dogs, cats, etc.
@hishaybe
@hishaybe Жыл бұрын
“Growling to show he is having fun” oh lord dogs are something else 😂♥
@Roadghost1969
@Roadghost1969 3 ай бұрын
I am so sick of Pitt Bull owners saying" It's how they are raised", true with any dog. But the first thing out of their sewers is when the pitbull attacks a person or another dog is "They never did that before".
@mrdion8439
@mrdion8439 Жыл бұрын
Rhonin stays "on the move". So active & always moving fast! He is well behaved though. Kudos to you owner!
@TACSAutoDetailing
@TACSAutoDetailing Жыл бұрын
Don’t underestimate the bite of a maligator😅 They can stand some ground for sure as a pure bred working dog! What a good boy! I can’t wait to own one in the near future. I love those dogs so much!
@velvetunderpants44
@velvetunderpants44 Жыл бұрын
There's a reason they're police dogs. Sharp as razors
@TACSAutoDetailing
@TACSAutoDetailing Жыл бұрын
@@velvetunderpants44 yes sir!
@iambrainwrEck
@iambrainwrEck Жыл бұрын
@@velvetunderpants44 pretty interesting how they have the look of a german shepard but some of the same JR terrier features that pits/pit mixes have...
@iambrainwrEck
@iambrainwrEck Жыл бұрын
also both those breeds are incredibly smart as well... my APBT learns words/commands literally after hearing the word 2x
@20PINKluvr
@20PINKluvr Жыл бұрын
Why suspects chased by k9s are scared shitless by them
@ckblackwoodmusic
@ckblackwoodmusic 9 ай бұрын
Anyone who would keep one of those monsters as a pet needs to be JAILED!
@nicholashudson1283
@nicholashudson1283 Жыл бұрын
Pit bull showing up at a dog park = You Leave (simple). When I used to have 2 Border Collies I walked them whilst wearing steel cap boots. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to kick a Pitbull off the lead or strangle one with the noose of my dogs lead to save my own dogs lives.
@BurntWings
@BurntWings Жыл бұрын
I have a Pitbull he's about 110 lb now hopefully he gets no bigger lol. he's almost 3 years old we take him to get groomed. he used to absolutely love it to get bathed and his nails done. The second to the last time we took him he was on the stand getting groomed and another dog that was I guess being led to the other stand literally attacked my dog! It was so sad to see he peed all over the table, his eyes got extremely bloodshot he was shaking so badly needless to say thank God he wasn't severely harmed. The next time we took him he started whining as soon as we got to the front door. by the time we registered him in he was shaking and then had peed on the floor before he even went to the back. From that point on I've now started bathing him and doing his nails at home because obviously what happened to him there was extremely traumatizing to him. Not only that since that moment we've had a problem going to the vet he'll Shake and cry the whole entire time until we leave. Yes he's 110 lb Pitbull but he's a private part if you know what I mean LOL. I will say that I am worried because I'm afraid that he'll let another dog attack him so badly that he will get hurt severely and that he won't defend his self or how long will it take before he actually does it just scares me!
@dubthabreak
@dubthabreak Жыл бұрын
@Gr Ch Nigerino you whine like an old granny 🤦🏼‍♂️😏
@FemboyPrince
@FemboyPrince Жыл бұрын
@Gr Ch Nigerino Dude, go do something useful bruh. Pitbull mixes exist and dogs can in fact get bigger than what is commonly expected of their breed. We had a purebred boxer who grew to be 90 pounds, which a big leap from the 50-60 pound dog they usually grow to. Dogs, just like humans, and every single other animal on earth, can grow to be bigger and heavier than average. It happens. You also don't seem to understand that "Pitbull," is literally an umbrella term for about 5 different dog breeds. Grow up
@abouttime5000
@abouttime5000 Жыл бұрын
If I was a groomer I would not attend to your pit bull. Not enough money to risk my safety or the shop’s reputation. Get rid of your problem by getting rid of the dog. It makes no sense whatsoever to own the world’s most dangerous breed.
@dubthabreak
@dubthabreak Жыл бұрын
@@abouttime5000 OK snowflake maybe pitbulls, cane corso's, dogo argentino's aren't the dogs for everyone ut thzt doesn't mean nobody can own one. I've had English bull terriers, cane corso's, American Staffordshire bull terriers and now a dogo Argentino over the last 30 years and never had an issue or a problem it's 90%the owners fault if problems happen. America land of the most shooting incidents but everybody still owns a gun 🤷🏼‍♂️ so why can't you own a powerful dog
@BurntWings
@BurntWings Жыл бұрын
@@abouttime5000 yes he is a pit he is a xxl breed his father is bigger then him and I paid several thousand dollars for him as well I know exactly what he is because I have papers on him
@makaylaspalding5480
@makaylaspalding5480 Жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for him!
@lm9991
@lm9991 Жыл бұрын
Haha! Having the camera at that level on your dog just makes one love him so much. You can really see his wonderful personality from his level.
@georgepotter353
@georgepotter353 9 ай бұрын
I have a 1yo GSD and a 14mo redbone. They've been best buddies since Murphy was a month old. They're like two little boys play fighting in the yard, but I noticed early on they were teaching each other how to defend their necks from attacks. Murphy outweighs the redbone by a good 50 pounds, but he lets Leon Redbone get into position to attack his neck, then he fights his way out of it. Funny to watch at times as Leon never shies away from the tussle :) Excellent obedience by your GSD.
@IWreakHavoc
@IWreakHavoc Жыл бұрын
Nah bro, I woulda told the owner “get your dog or i’m gonna punt it” and i’m being so serious, if your dog tries to hurt mine and you don’t step in, I will. With a swift kick that will knock the wind outta it
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