Canine Predatory Motor Sequence: Understand Your Dog's Prey Drive To Enrich Your Life Together

[@DogsThat]

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[@ldc9540]

Thanks for the episode! This is so interesting. My Boston Terrier will tear apart a stuffed toy and bring me the stuffing. She’s not given these kind of toys often.

[@PamelaDalmatian]

I just had such an epiphany! I was telling my husband about this episode- watched it for the second time today. He said something that made it click! Pam, our Dalmatian, will look at someone in the car and when they look at her, she goes off. We need to stop the eye! I wrote it down and explained it to him! Here is hoping she never barks on the car again 🤞

[@aleksandraadamkowska9726]

Wow, I just understood my poodle and his need for disecting 🤯 this knowledge is a game changer

[@donnag4506]

Thanks for this. I have a dog who will consume after eviscerating, so I am struggling to find toys that will engage him, but that are safe. He has been known to eat (parts of) tug toys, plush toys, squeaky toys, dog beds, and plastic slow feeder bowls, so I need to find some outlet that will keep him safe and my vet bills manageable. 😮

[@lenaking3098]

That explains so much. I have a mini sheepadoodle and he enjoys all these traits. Thank you. ❤️🐾

[@PamelaDalmatian]

I was just in the yard with my dogs and as they heard a dog bark and started looking around for it, I thought ‘PREVENT THE ORIENT’ Yet another wonderful aha from this episode!

[@DogsThat]

Great observational skills, Pamela! 💎🐾❤️🍪

[@varemar1]

I have a big problem with my bordercollie pup (4,5 months) . He chases cars/ bikes/ joggers etc. Specially the car chasing is so dangerous and almost impossible to interrupt in the sequence you mentioned because everything happens so fast, there’s no way to get his attention, he is “possessed” in those moments. He is doing fine at puppy class (obedience) and educator gave me advice to avoid traffic situations until more focus work is done, but that’s not realistic, I just need to be on the streets sometimes!! How shall I react when it happens??

[@bethanyreilly2809]

You need to not put your dog in a circumstance that it cannot cope with. If you need to be out where there are cars and bikes, your dog must be on a leash.

[@varemar1]

@@bethanyreilly2809 of course he’s on a leash when we’re going somewhere. Otherwise he would be already hit by a car (like his litter brother who died this way - breeder told me so) But my question is how to react when he starts acting like crazy as soon he hears a car approaching. I tried to make him sit, I tried to distract with food but nothing works. I don’t know if I should “say” something (no!!) or kneel down to him. “Correct “ this behavior or just ignore? Someone said to throw water (I won’t!) We work on bonding and obedience obviously but in the meantime I really don’t know how to handle this specific moments.. (I hope my question is clear, I’m Italian)

[@pamsloan84]

My border collie did that too. It was more of a territorial thing like resource guarding of me or his terf. He didn't do that if we were just out in town or other places.

[@DogsThat]

Hi, here's help for chasing dogs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGrLiX6CeLBjeck

[@kashankirk]

​@varemar1 yeah, correct it, aggressively. Its a working dog, so correct it the same way a farmer would if a herding dog crazily chased livestock when they werent supposed to. Too many 3 legged dogs these days not knowing "no" / "out"...

[@trishbech9082]

❤❤❤ This is another much needed podcast! Thank You so much Susan. I did not know anything this detailed about prey drive. Your explanations and recommendations are so helpful! I’m watching this over and making notes. I have slowly started to figure out what will get him over excited while playing games and entice the bite! Ouch! Something that I don’t want! Lol It has been getting better but this helps me to approach things from different perspectives and still engage with him while having more playful training sessions. By the way, Prophet is adorable and I’m sure he’ll be super happy with his new family. He’s one lucky doggo! 😊

[@dessertthingy]

My terrier x poodle looooves chasing the frisbee, but as soon as it lands he will just run past it and circle back to me; he never wants to bite it 😂 Found this video very interesting!

[@PamelaDalmatian]

Question. 7:22, Susan mentions interrupting the eye by asking for a hand touch. I know she doesn’t use a verbal cue, so what if the dog can’t see you? Wit wit? The first three parts seem so instantaneous, especially if you don’t see the squirrel before the dog.

[@Crowcifixx]

My standard poodle is ALL of these!

[@rafaelafernandes9586]

THANK YOU!! I am so excited I could cry!!! I have been waiting for this video!! THANK YOU!!!!! 🙏🏻❤️

[@DogsThat]

💕🍪💕🍪💕🍪💕

[@KyChimerical]

I think my dog may like dissection but he doesn't rip his stuffies up quickly. Instead he chews at the seams until he unravels them. It is only once he has opened the seam he happily rips the stuffing out. He is also a paper shredder. No toilet paper roll is safe if it lands on the floor.

[@Deborahyoung8579]

Brilliant

[@FurtiveFool]

Super interesting, thank you.

[@iefjewoe]

My Husky samoyed mixes both present all of the 8 steps. They love to hunt and we practice with the book of Simone Muller Hunting together. It really helps! We hike daily in a forest that is populated with lots of wildlife. There is a leash law and we keep them on a long leash. After a year of practising we now can let them scent for wildlife and eye it. Then we play "hunting" games and hike on. No barking and lunging any more when we spot deer or running boars. I highly recommend practising all the skills around prey drive, because the translate beautifully to other skills.

[@Piper7cub]

Sadly, one of our Border Collies (my profile picture) was a rabbit hunter and completed all 8 events twice that we knew of. (Our other two Border Collies never hurt anything and did not have the drive to do so. One came nose to beak with an injured bird and when the bird moved, she jumped back and then she walked away. ) We learned that once she un-alived the rabbit, that drive never left her. She loved small dogs but any other small animal, she wanted to chase. We would take her to the pet store and she could have stared at the Guinea Pigs all day waiting for them to move and when they moved, she would try to poke the glass. I'm sure she was looking at them as a meal. I never got a cat for this reason.....I was too afraid of what might happen. Other than that, she was the best dog we ever had and I wish we could have another 15 years with her.

[@prapairatwotticharoenvong117]

Mine gone through whole cycle to consume 😂

[@darnold5575]

I believe I have had an understanding of this sequence however, thank you Susan for the sequence as that so deepens my understanding. Your concepts are super.

[@DogsThat]

💕💕💕

[@ClearCreekRanch]

Thank you so much for breaking this down! Great information!!

[@heathermanson7074]

Extremely interesting! I want to know more about how to apply this knowledge of the PMS. I’m interested in: - which components of the PMS do other dog breeds like Siberian Huskies emphasize? - how can I use this new knowledge of the PMS sequence to redirect my dogs when they are staring at rabbits through the window? - if dogs’ senses of smell are so strong, why is it the eye (vision) that starts the stalking? - I’ve noticed my dogs “won’t stalk if they don’t see”, and there’s lots of stuff they weirdly don’t see, like that large deer standing motionless down the road. Does “The thing” have to have movement for them to see it? - when I reward a sit when they in the middle of their stalking, am I inadvertently rewarding the stalking? Is this what we want?

[@kathrynclayton6326]

Thank you

[@SuperLegasus]

My dalmatian goes to kill bite with groundhogs. To avoid this I play tug with her, which she loves. But she shakes her head with such force (just like when killing the poor groundhogs) that I can hardly hold on. She is very good at obedience but when it comes to play she seems to be in another mindset and now I think I see why. Thank you for this info

[@kimberlydrake8654]

We live on a 6 acre farm we once had a Dalmatian that would chase/kill groundhogs (3 in 10 years) she would bring them to us😱 Fortunately not eviscerated! We also had a teckle/rabbit dachshund that would go down groundhog holes and stay there barking for HOURS (5 hours one time!) My husband would wave food at the end of the hole and nothing could get her to come up! Even after getting attacked by one 7 staples…it didn’t keep her from going back. She never weighed more then 9 pounds and lived to be 17 years old….she was by far the most fearless dog we have ever had here. (She also chased my neighbors chickens…a fence fixed that) Both were years ago and yes we did try many times to fill the groundhog holes….what finally worked?…stuffing holes with horse manure. Fortunately these were isolated incidents for both dogs ….When we first moved in the groundhogs would sun themselves out in the open….they too have been gone now for years! Interesting information on the innate behaviors….the Dalmatian I didn’t get but certainly understood the dachshund was bred to go down holes. Thank you for the information😊kim

[@dianaosman7585]

Thank uou for a well explained , easy to follow podcast 😊

[@susanlennon]

Many light bulb moments with this video! One of Bessie’s six breeds is Boston Terrier 💡She demonstrates this sequence to a T, with the exception (hooray) of the eating of the prey 🐿️

[@nellsidler7185]

Great episode Susan- thank you!

[@sunflowerspanda]

My foster is 20 months and I believe might be a mix of pit and lab. How can I find out the correct sequence ? He likes to destroy a stuff toy and I have seen him eat pieces of material. I had to get my fingers in his mouth to pull out what I can. What would be best games from for him? He also does enjoy fetch like my Sheppard mix does. She can fetch a ball all day if she could.

[@amberstewart2463]

Hello Susan, I was watching your introduction to Recallers on my iPad on my bed when I had to stop Daffy from doing something & I accidentally deleted your introduction to Recallers. How can I get it back please. I hadn’t finished watching it. I have joined. Thank you in advance. Amber Stewart.

[@DogsThat]

Hi Amber, not sure what video you're referring to, but if you joined Recallers, you should have received emails from us with all the details you need to access the classroom. Please if you're still experiencing a challenge reach out to the team at [e-mail]

[@derfskittlers6125]

Tell your owner to brush you. 😝

[@rachell4307]

I LOVED this topic! ❤Thanks!

[@KimbaLorber]

my Corgi/Heeler cross completely skips the stalk and goes right to chase. Does everything else and no toy that can be torn up is safe around him. lol I need to find a way to teach him the 'out' command because so far I haven't found the "magic word". I still love him though :)

[@DogsThat]

Hi! Here's a blog post with help for that "out" cue: susangarrettdogagility.com/2019/08/gimmie-dat-tug-the-out-release-is-just-dog-training/ Happy training!

[@ammi_10]

"Give enrichment challenges"😃 AWESOME!

[@4Vinny4]

Great stuff! I love learning about behavior.

[@lv2blde]

I am curious as to what prompted you to do this podcast/video. It was very informative. We have 2 corgis but neither has exhibited any herding behavior. The younger one does like to dig.Something I discovered a few months ago. 🤔

[@fitcoachmarshall4310]

What do you suggest for someone who can’t physically keep up and trying to train their Shepherd to be their Service pup? I do what I can when I can. Also rescued a b&t that was being attacked by the other rescue dogs, so I took him with me. Now trying to learn how to break his bad habits, train him, break my current pups bad habits he’s learning from the rescue, and also having to go back to basics. I Feel like I can’t keep up and have enough depression due going from an extreme athlete and Veteran to developing MS and spend most my days in pain and problems walking. It’s overwhelming at times, but we’ve had my pup since he was 5 weeks (born 21 Dec 2021) and our rescue (apprx 6 months younger) has become a part of the family (since we rescued him Oct 2022) and my wife now treats him like one of our boys. I’d like to teach both of them to be SD’s. Too expensive to have them trained and there is no Veteran fund that will train or pay to have him/them trained after 6 months of age. I’m trying to learn, remember, and gain experience all at the same time. It’s ruff…. Yes, I ended with a pun.

[@user-yd6qo2ci5c]

Great podcast! What are you're favorite tugs? Also my dog is a mixed shepherd with mostly blue heeler in him. What is the PMS primarily for them?

[@DogsThat]

Hi! Susan shares her toy selection guide in this podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZS2hXxslr2dpMk

[@angelapope9412]

I have a border collie who is fine meeting dogs when off leash but is reactive when on leash. I'm wondering whether a head halter might help with interrupting the stare when she sees another dog.

[@DogsThat]

Hi Angela, Susan has done quite a few episode on reactivity, here's the playlist with help for you and your dog: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6SrfGBjh9SFoNU&pp=gAQBiAQB

[@angelapope9412]

Thank you@@DogsThat

[@pstogs516]

I have Standard Poodles. They have a very high prey drive. I treat them as sighthounds -never off leash unless securely fenced area-bc anything furry and moving they will chase -ignoring me. And they DO eviscerate their plush toys to remove stuffing n squeaker!! They do love to play fetch. They also LOVE to squeak their toys.

[@analowry3024]

Thank you. I have a podenco which is a Spanish hunting dog and he does ALL of the sequence! He’s bred for hunting and this has given me some real challenges because he wants to hunt and kill all the time. He loves squeaky toys but always eventually tears them apart and pulls the stuffing out. I’m definitely going to try some of these.

[@coor0kun]

Thank you so much for sharing alternatives!! I have a Lab rescue that is dog-reactive on leash (we’re working on it) and has a strong Eye / Lock-On instinct, and AMAZING focus during training (highly food motivated, which helps). I’ve been wanting to do more obedience work since she loves it, and will use your tips with the treat toss to try to break here eye-focus when it’s not asked for. Excited to train!

[@karina4649]

I love everything you do - is there a podcast on flirt poles, or is it in recallers? I'm trying to teach my dog to stop and sit just like the one in this episode, but her sit is hardwired to me stopping too at the moment, if I carry on she follows.

[@loyal_dogs]

I love the ending sequence, it's so sweet 🥰 your Border Colli does her "show your belly" trick exactly the way my Finnish Lapphund did. All eager and fast, with the same cute eyes. Gosh, I miss him. Great video. I always had dogs with high prey drive (expect my Lapphund who was pure perfection) and never did as I have been taught. If I would've used methods without my brain, none of my Japanese dogs (a Shiba which was my first dog and now an Akita) would've ever become an off leash dog. I thought for what they where bred for and how they hunt, what they like and based my training and capturing of behaviour around that. In the end both could walk off leash anywhere where it was allowed, even in the forest. My Akita, which had an intense prey drive, is so cool now, even if a rabbit jumps out of the grass 5 paws in front of her, she wouldn't even look at it 😂 it was difficult with her as she doesn't play at all and isn't much of a foodie either. Akitas are like that and if they're in a mood, they would refuse even a steak. But she loved to go after kibble that rolled over the ground. My white Sheoherd's prey drive is just as high as that of my Akita, though he is a much easier dog since he has a will to please. I taught him recall since he was 8 weeks old and it never failed us once. Even if he starts running after a deer, he comes immediately. Though that is not ideal and he'll be on the long lead until my anti-chase training is done. He already began to reorient all by himself which gives a happy party and a game where he can jump at me. It's so important to get to know your dog's breed history and where their behaviour comes from as well as their individual personality. THat combined with versatile training and thinking makes living with dogs a pleasure.

[@Winky6931]

I loved this podcast but got to ask seeing as my two shelties sniff so much and it has stoped them in comps a few times and got them a dq how can I teach them not to without hurting there love to work with me :( also my younger one has trouble focusing he is a year and a half

[@jiggahenry9471]

My sheepadoodle does ALL the parts of this sequence and the poor wildlife in my yard suffers.

[@allisontraynor2870]

Great podcast ❤

[@DogsThat]

Thanks so much! 💕

[@SandraBourdeaux]

This explains so much about my border collie! He loves to chase anything that moves, but he gets very frustrated when something moves away from him that he cannot chase. If the horses are just in the field, he's fine, but when they come to the water trough for a drink and then leave, he goes berserk. Now I know what's going on with him! BCPMS

[@EpsilonAD]

Another very useful clip. The square food puzzle looks great. 🐾

[@milissaellan6805]

Love this episode! We got my kelpie when his PMS got too advanced for his previous home-- he went from chasing to chasing and killing... and unfortunately he did progress to killing a housemate (cat) as well as making escaping to hunt local wildlife his life's purpose. But! I'm allergic to cats so we'll never own one, so when he came here he was safe to be himself. Our #1 priority was getting a recall on him, and teaching him the the front door opening was the cue for him to hit that hot zone. Fast forward to now and he's a happy, healthy 13 year old who LOVES "playing chase"-- aka fastcat! He's the perfect family pet and we adore him. ...and he only goes after wildlife when they make the unfortunate choice to enter the fenced yard. Interestingly, he has orient, chase and kill bite... but he doesn't stalk, eviscerate or consume.

[@IviRebova]

what about dachshunds? my boy loves sniffing and its hard to get his attention to me !

[@gennemac215]

Love this EYE-opening podcast (pardon the Pun). My 17month old GSD has been exhibiting reactivity to other dogs so I was wondering whether Interrupting the EYE stage would prevent it escalating to the bark and lunge? And if so, what could I do to interrupt after the EYE stage?

[@DogsThat]

Hi! We have a playlist with lot of help for dogs that react: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6SrfGBjh9SFoNU&pp=gAQBiAQB

[@jennifer_452]

Love this information! It is so helpful in understanding the 'why' and 'how'. Does scenting / tracking fit into the stalking or chasing event (or both)? And, what's a good way to work with that energy so that when we're in the field / off-leash, I can easily recall? Thank you for helping me be better and more confident with my dogs!!

[@wendyanderson8169]

Just was able to watch this latest gem of a podcast, and also found it so helpful! And my question, too, is where does scenting/tracking come in! I wonder if scenting/tracking is the stalking event, because if he saw a prey I think he'd then have eyes on it and chase--then tree it or grab it. I have a 3yr old coonhound, and I can't let him off leash as I don't think he'd recall from a scent he's really keen to follow. I think the rest of the world ceases to exist when his nose is down and he's trailing something--he once walked right into someone and it really startled him.

[@kimberlydrake8654]

Thank you for this podcast! I have a question about the puppy bombs….do they eat the toilet paper roll?😊kim

[@chrisjerviss7149]

I have a huge problem with my 8-month-old Border Collie mix jumping at me and biting. I’m extremely stressed out with her. She was a rescue from a shelter, and honestly, if I had known she was part Border Collie I never would have adopted her, knowing their need to keep busy.

[@teolinek]

We have a laid-back corgi who loves to dissect. Paper roll, egg box, or carton is perfect. She looks so happy shredding it all. She isn't young any longer, but even back then she wasn't really into herding. The other one (passed away), was a different story. Trying to control every movement (people, pigeons, etc.). And there is a youngish sheltie girl with a prey drive that surprised me. From the start to bite to kill, (poor mouse in the garden) :( I didn't realise that it's not just a herding dog, but an all-rounder to help with everything (pest control included and alarming if anything happens). Good to keep this mind occupied (and let her rest, what is more difficult).

[@azogal53]

I recognize several sequence behaviors in my Maltipoo, especially chase. So wonder where rubbing on the sofa fits in? 😮😊 🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪

[@willowtheaussie7380]

Small back yard full of wild bunnies. My Aussie doesn’t gut out toys but well I call the small bunnies “snacks.” Yeah she ate a few. It is amazing how they magically appear just as I finish checking the area and release her. She drops the larger bunnies.

[@louiswickham9151]

Very good episode for someone with a Belgian malinois that didn't get to choose, but not willing to give up

[@DogsThat]

You got this, Louis! ❤️❤️❤️

[@sherylhurford9717]

Great episode! I have a boxer who will grab pants legs when someone comes too close to him or surprises him by coming from behind.

[@user-tk9vf3cf8d]

I especially appreciate this episode because I have a coonhound/pointer puppy(Leif!) who has a strong prey drive. Sometimes he wants to chase like coonhound and sometime he wants to point like a pointer. Funny how genes work like that? I love to take him off leash in the forest (and so does he) so Im looking forward to trying these with him! I wonder if there is a way to transfer the value of chasing a rabbit for miles into coming when I call him? Sometimes his brain gets so locked onto his target I can’t even distract him with chicken😂.

[@DogsThat]

Hi, here's help for you and Leif 💕 kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGrLiX6CeLBjeck

[@user-tk9vf3cf8d]

Thanks!!❤