Captain? MUTINY EPIC: The Musical | Vocal Coach Reaction (& Analysis) | Jennifer Glatzhofer

[@JenniferGlatzhofer]

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[@DanielMtz-pt2tr]

Not so fun fact, Eurylochus is married to Odysseus sister. So the "brother" in "Don't make me fight you, brother, you know you'd have done the same" was him saying brother as in they are related and not just brothers in arms

[@SilverCrow0101]

14:36 protagonists don't always have to be a hero or the right person, they just have to be the leading character of the story.

[@Nyx-pm5qf]

Yeah, so the part where Eurylochus says: ''some island. The first one we found. It's bursting with cows, just roaming around begging us to eat. So much meat, and hunger is so heavy.'' is sung the same way as Zeus' part in The Horse and The Infant: ''A vision of what is to come, cannot be outrun. Can only be dealt with right here and now, (Tell me how) I don't think you're ready.'' And also this part in Survive: My brothers. The rest of our fleet, they wait at the beach. And if we're defeated they're good as dead. Straight ahead. That is who we're fighting.

[@ShyyGaladriel]

We call it the survival motif

[@rienn-de-immortal974]

I actually find here such a good parallel, if thinking about it as connection to Odyssseus in Survive! In both Mutiny and Cyclops Saga some human hurts the pet of an Olympian's son, and this son asks his father for vengeance against said human. So, basically, recurrence of this motif tells me, that it's the Cyclops's sheep situation all over again, where Eurylichus is about to make the same mistake.

[@leviHeichou]

I just tried to just hum that part into googles music recognition and funnily enough it suggests Mutiny, The Horse and the Infant and Survive as the top three. So exactly right. Now I am wondering if that works for every sung motif to find in which song it came up before ^^

[@googleisacruelmistress1910]

I like how the second things go wrong Oddy is automatically back in charge because he's the only half competent one amongst them all

[@danylonazarov]

force of habit i guess... also he immediately started barking orders without second thought

[@tengenuzui8425]

@@danylonazarovwell yeah bc the others were all literally out there doing the most to get them killed. I.e killing Helios’ cattle

[@TaoStars309]

​​@@tengenuzui8425 and opening the bag, and taking food from strangers, killing the sheep before asking... you know.... not hot girl ish

[@tengenuzui8425]

@@TaoStars309 oh it’s def made worse by all the previous hard lessons. Sometimes, only way ppl learn is a real hard slap from reality…or a few greek gods

[@BGTitanAvatar]

The sun god is Helios. I don’t think Eury is messing with Ody. He’s being genuine the entire time. He doesn’t think they’re gonna make it. Plus they could have killed Ody or dumped him somewhere but no they’ve kept him alive and even patched him up.

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

This song is essentially his and the crew's collective suicide, yeah

[@KysNow-o4f]

Well their is two sun gods Helios and Apollo

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

The crew is also starving to death in the second half of this song lol

[@rivendells_shona]

@@KysNow-o4fat this point Helios was still the “god” (or Titan) of sun. It’s kind of unclear at what point Apollo took on Helios’ responsibilities (and inherited his cattle). Doesn’t seem to be yet, tho.

[@KysNow-o4f]

@@rivendells_shona I’m pretty sure Apollo and Helios are sun gods but one is minor if I’m correct Greek mythology is wonky because of how contradicting it is but one is the literal personification of the sun and one rides the chariot and guide the sun I’m not sure which because when I search it up it says either or

[@ShyyGaladriel]

Eurylochus is such a good character. I really feel for him. Even in the original his decision to kill the cows was a “it’s better to die a quick death than starve to death like this.” And no, they couldn’t go fishing. Fish are in the ocean and Poseidon wouldn’t let them.

[@UsagiKasanagi]

Eurylochus was a good character, but remember that they would not have been in this position in the first place had he trusted Odysseus and helped protect the bag, instead of being nosy.

[@IsyThatWay]

​@@UsagiKasanagi He would protect the damn bag, he would trust Odysseus if Odysseus trusted him... The whole point of the music was keep them close, but he straight up put distance from everyone else, acting weird, after a heavy loss... The crew is a bunch of dumbasses, but come on, he was not doing a good job of PR with the guys... Be a good warrior and general is not the that useful in the ocean, and everyone is thinking about the rewards too, if he was aware of how be a king, not a tyrant, he would not be in that situation. He took the crew trust like something guaranteed, their obligation after war and to their king, but it's not like that, kings were killed multiple times in history for be like this. And even without it, get in the water proves that Poseidon would just killed their asses at Ithaca anyways... They are stupid and untrustworthy as hell, but I feel that blaming them only, isn't the more ample point of view Ody has the same amount of accountability in this, if not more for not keep the mouth shut But, more than anyone, the gods and their fucking games with mortals

[@ilanklein1067]

The guy that stab Ody is Perimedes, he originaly had a whole narative arc with his "best friend" Elpinor but the whole arc was cut (cut songs name: "Perimedes" and "Cope with that". They also apeared in "Keep your friend close" and Elpinor had a whole part in the first draft of "Underworld")

[@darkwolf9536]

I love how the ''best friend'' isn't just wrote as best friend. Because esencially Perimedes didn't have friends (I don't love anybody, and that's my power), but I think that we all can agree that Elpenor and Perimedes did have SOMETHING going on. Could have been cabinmates, or could have simply been 'one sided'-friendship. But there was something going on

[@ilanklein1067]

@@darkwolf9536 yeah I swear Cope with that give the same "friend but maybe more" vibe that Your light give

[@Constanze_black]

​@ilanklein1067 Elpenor: "He doesn't return my feelings, let's get drunk on circes island" And then... Well...

[@ericsanford536]

One thing i always keep in mind, the sirens told Ody that Scylla was the only way home. NOT getting home is death, they have nowhere to settle down that can support them and Wet Hades WILL kill them all on the open sea sooner rather than later. So his choice was not 'sac six men or don't get home' it was 'sac six men or we ALL die'. The only thing he did wrong was not tell them it was coming.

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

Nah, see if he said it BEFOREHAND they'd have treasoned faster and Moistcritikal would have found them and made a rebuttal video way quicker.

[@shark-kaboom8813]

@@mikedanielespeja6128Well no if Odysseus went: “Ok, so our only way to home is through the lair of Scylla. We have literally no other option. 6 of us will die.”

[@lukiklepsa6218]

​@@shark-kaboom8813 Last time he was open about something, more than 500 of his men drowned in the sea.

[@shark-kaboom8813]

@@lukiklepsa6218 The circumstances are much different. What Odysseus did is still pretty inexcusable.

[@jlablue3401]

@@shark-kaboom8813 The circumstances are much different, but they also leave Odysseus with even less reason to be open with the crew. With the bag a slightly paraphrased version of what happened is "Oh is there treasure in that bag?" "No. The huge storm that just magically disappeared while I was talking to the wind god is in the bag. And if anybody opens it the storm will be released and we'll all die. Don't open it." "But... what if there's treasure in it? OH NO IT WAS THE STORM WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!" Now the crew is running out of food and has Poseidon chasing after them. Hearing "Alright guys, so the only way home is to sacrifice six of you to a horrific painful death by a man-eating monster. Who wants to volunteer?" isn't going to be met with cheers and trust. It's going to be met with "How about we just don't go home then? We can settle down on an island and live peacefully until we die." Why do I think this? Because the first thing the crew does when Odysseus stops calling the shots is to settle down on an island and slaughter a herd of cattle to eat after deciding they're not going home.

[@Kat-xc7xf]

I really appreciate your conflicted feelings on Ody, Eury, and the various burdens of leadership because it is a really complicated dilemma they're all in. I also think we've hit upon the answer here in Mutiny. When does a man become a monster? It's when he doesn't protect his people. But we also don't make the best decisions in the worst circumstances. Story-wise, this is probably why Thunder Saga is my favorite.

[@ryan1000011]

Circe told them one thing as they where leaving, in the Odyssey "don't mess with my dad's cows"

[@elieli2893]

And then they were stranded on the cow island in the middle of a storm with no food left 😅 But yeahhh how I've understood it, the cows were immortal - as in forever-living, but not invulnerable - golden, sacred cows. Apparently sterile, so the batch on the island were the only ones there will ever be. If I was Helios I would also be kinda pissed :'D Not sure if "threatening to drag the sun into hades" -pissed, but definitely "gonna kill some dudes now" -pissed xD

[@darkmirror21]

​@@elieli2893gods are petty af, so i'm not surprised they went straight to smiting them

[@awakener-s3l]

This AND Tiresias was actually helpful! Like the one thing he said was “don’t kill the sun cattle”

[@duckshuntjj6318]

@@elieli2893plus in the odyssey Odysseus was like “yeah let’s just not stop on the island at all” and Eury basically said “we will mutiny if you don’t give us rest” so it was kind of a shit situation.

[@natyellesilva7170]

A really cool detail is that Eurylochus doesn't have his on instrument throughout the musical, but he does have the vocals of the crew singing along him for most of his songs, symbolizing he didn't quite knew his role beside being the voice of the men, but in this song when he confronts Odysseus we can hear the eletric guitar, that is Odysseus's instrument being used by Eurylochus, symbolising him TAKING the leader role from Odysseus and revolting against him.

[@fiaghost4759]

THANK YOU FOR NOT IMMEDIATELY HATING EURYLOCHUS. Seriously, it's so hard having him as my favorite character, i love him for being so flawed and human, while a lot of people hate him for the same reasons.

[@tengenuzui8425]

Eury is just a hypocrite lol. Literally wanted to leave 7 men behind on Circe’s island (knowingly and willingly) and yet rages against Odysseus making a similar decision. The leaaaaaps people make here are wild

[@zenithstrikerz1720]

@@tengenuzui8425 Eurylochus was leaving men who had been turned into pigs by a witch to save the rest of the men at the ship. Also he didn’t sacrifice them, they were sent by Odysseus to scout Circe’s island and they were tricked by Circe herself. Odysseus would’ve got all of the crew turned into pigs without Hermes divine intervention. Odysseus didn’t have a plan, he just acted without taking into consideration what his second in command had told him.

[@tengenuzui8425]

@@zenithstrikerz1720 you cant just explain away him being like “yonlets just leave, fuck it” lol. Justification central over here 😂😂😂😂

[@zenithstrikerz1720]

@@tengenuzui8425 Eurylochus wanted to leave Circe's Island to save the rest of the crew. It wasn't a random decision. As far as he knew the men who were turned into pigs were permanently stuck and to try and fight Circe would only lead to more losses. Also without Hermes all Odyseeus would've done was get the rest of the crew turned into pigs. He had no idea who Circe was, how her magic worked or even if her spell could be reversed.

[@fiaghost4759]

@@tengenuzui8425 even if the two situations were as similar as you claim, Eurylochus's line "And when we fought with Circe, it was YOU who left behind no man" tells me he admires Odysseus's decision to go and save them, and he admits he was wrong for wanting to leave. it's not hypocrisy to admit you were wrong

[@DuskShadow235]

I just know she’s gonna lose her mind over all the Lyrical Elements from both this song and Thunder Bringer And Edit where you’re wondering what the Men are thinking. I think that when you hear the crew saying their names, the ones saying “Eurylochus” are louder than the ones saying “Odysseus” suggesting that some of them agree with Ody’s actions, but more of them agree with Eurylochus Edit 2: the man who stabbed Odysseus is Perimedes. (Idk if I’m spelling any of these names right QwQ)

[@kenzieabner-gl5po]

Eurylochus and Perimedes is how you spell their names :)

[@DuskShadow235]

@@kenzieabner-gl5po thank you! I’ll edit it to have the correct spellings in just a minute

[@DuskShadow235]

@@kenzieabner-gl5po fixed! 😁

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

Just for more information, Perimedes was Elpenor's friend, and would've been an important character in a version of EPIC. Sadly, all we get from him is a line in Luck Runs Out and a verse in Mutiny.

[@ryou_ichi]

The "Hunger is so heavy." is from the FIRST Song, horse and the infant. "I don't think you're ready."

[@Phasmania]

I don’t think Eury was being sly when he called him Ody, with what he said after and calling him friend I think it was a last moment of genuineness, showing that he wasn’t even angry after their fight just tired and starving

[@hannahwilson6778]

I think jen's reactions to epic are some of my favorites! i can't wait to see her takes on the wisdom saga (and eventualy the vengance saga too!!)

[@JenniferGlatzhofer]

Ah thank you! Can’t wait to dive into The Wisdom Saga, but first… Thunder Bringer 😭

[@hannahwilson6778]

@@JenniferGlatzhofer ahhhh!!

[@Ghost1789]

@@JenniferGlatzhofer You should react to the official live stream animatics of the wisdom saga on Jorge's channel. The last time I checked, the live streams were still up.

[@thrall898]

The real tragedy of Odysseus is that he keeps getting blamed for trying to make the best decision in bad situations other people put him in. They only ended up on the Cyclops' island because he got stuck in the Trojan War for 10 years which depleted their food stores, a war he was caught in because of Paris and Menelaus. He's forced to kill a child by Zeus and that haunts him, so he tries to spare someone. His only real mistake is revealing his name to Polyphemus, which he does to try and make a point and get someone to understand that we didn't need to kill everyone. The most that can really be said to be his fault is the events of Storm, because that storm came from Poseidon for the Cyclops. Everything bad that happens to them from that point forward is Eurylochus's fault for opening the wind bag. Getting blown to Laestrygonia and losing most of his fleet, getting stuck on Circe's island, having to go through the underworld and learning he lost his mother (fun fact, in the Odyssey she dies from the heartbreak of seeing Odysseus swept away by the wind bag being opened when he was so close to home, so that's *also* Eury's fault), having to go through Circe's grotto, all of it is because Eurylochus couldn't leave the bag shut for long enough to get to the island. But Eury deflects that to Odysseus with his line 'If you want all the power you must carry all the blame', which pretty much sums up Odysseus's situation; he gets blamed for everything when he's trying to do the best he can in a bad situation. He's flat out told that the only way to avoid Poseidon and get home at the point he meets the Sirens is to go through Scylla's lair, and he knows the only way through is to sacrifice 6 men, or else try and fight her and potentially lose even more men. 6 men, or potentially all of the men he has left, especially if she wrecks the ship? A hard decision to make, but easy scales to balance. But a scale he wouldn't have had to balance in the first place if not for Eurylochus. Who is also directly responsible for what's about to happen to them next for killing Helios's cattle.

[@Apophis.004]

Eury opening the wind bag didn't cause people's death, it was Ody doxxing himself. Even if he didn't open the bag Poseidon would've shown up and destroy Ithaca. If anything Eurylochus saved more people by opening the wind bag. Plus the problem with Scylla isn't the fact that six men died but the fact he sacrificed them to save his own skin. Scylla only eats six people. In the Odyssey, Ody doesn't tell the crew cause he forgot, si people got eaten and that was it. No one was angry cause that was better than dealing with Charybdis. However, here, Ody uses the torches so that he doesn't die. That's why no one trusts him anymore cause what if they are sacrificed against some other foe?

[@fanfandoming8225]

Nice to see someone see how much Odysseus gets blamed for stuff 😂

[@Apophis.004]

@@fanfandoming8225 Eury gets blamed way more. Like it's a 60/40 ratio

[@fanfandoming8225]

@@Apophis.004 my biggest problem with Eurylochus is the line "if you want all the power you must carry all the blame" because that implies that his decisions were obeyed and thats why they are where they are. The biggest example is the wind bag. Eurylochus opened the bag as soon as Odysseus was asleep showing he doesn't care about orders and will disobey when it suits him. And i am not talking about the hypothetical what if he didn't open the bag. He has doubted Odysseus the entire time.

[@Apophis.004]

@@fanfandoming8225 yes, I agree with the fact that doubting Ody was stupid

[@Stephanie-md6xy]

Great reaction jennifer! And btw, the melody eurylochus sings on the island is the same as the one zeus sings to odysseus in horse and the infant. If you recall: "a mission, to kill someone's son, a foe who won't run, unlike anyone you have faced before"

[@JenniferGlatzhofer]

Ah yes!

[@WittySomething]

So the men saying "There is no price he won't pay" when talking about Ody is in direct reference to Scylla's line of "There is no price we won't pay". Just tying in more with the whole 'Ody became a monster' thing. Also yes, the whole "How are we supposed to trust you now" bit is a reprisal of Luck Runs Out. The part where Ody is trying to tell them the island is Helios' and those cows are his is also a reprisal of Luck Runs Out. In fact, Ody throws Eury's line from that song back at him: "Please don't tell me you're about to do what I think you'll do." People like to call Mutiny "Luck Runs Out part 2" lol because of how many reprisals of it there are in Mutiny.

[@jennasandau2643]

Just so you know to lines "some island the first one we've found" is the same melodic line as "My brothers, the rest of our fleet" from Survive and "a vision of what is to come" from the Horse and the Infant

[@RayGainbows]

fun fact. That electric guitar was Eurylochus. Jay mentioned it in a vid a while ago. Also, in the chorus i hear "how now... brown cow" and i cant unhear it 😭

[@Del_1710]

I love eury's thought process in the beginning of the song, cause he had done something that was selfish and ended in the deaths of the crewmates, albeit by accident, as he didn't understand the exact consequences and yet the thing was eating at him from the inside until he confessed in Scylla. But he sees ody doing something similar (from his pov) and willingly at that, he expects ody to be better than that, after all ody is their captain, they all stake their lives on his command cause they trust him

[@akkimylo3286]

The beauty of a good argument is that you can side with both sides. Odysseus made the only choice he could make, and Eurylochus rightfully felt betrayed that lives were being sacrificed. In either person's place, one could be expected to make the same decisions.

[@CalixionArtz]

In Epic's version of the Odyssey I do wonder if things could have gone differently if Ody had just been straight with the crew before going to Scyllla's lair.

[@elieli2893]

@@CalixionArtz I think the crew wouldn't have taken "six of us have to be sacrificed" - they would have tried to fight Scylla - which is impossible, they would have all died.

[@rongsun1905]

If they follow Eurylochus' idea of fighting Scylla, they're all dying

[@BB_Creative]

So this fun fact/explanations on why Odysseus chose to go through Scylla’s lair. In the poem, Circe warns Odysseus that there are two options to make it home without facing Poseidon. However, both of those options require a sacrifice. First options AKA Scylla 6 men will need to be sacrifice and if they aren’t fast enough they will loose 12 men too. Second option is to face another monster but they will be at risk of loosing the ship. I will not say what this monster is or their name because I’m not gonna spoil it but we will found who is in the next saga. Odysseus HAD to choose Scylla as it was more in their favor than loosing the whole ship. Now for a fun fact when you are listening to Scylla you can hear whirlpools in the background, that’s the second monster near by. Just a little shoutout to those who know what that’s about 😉

[@mbakrii]

the 'some island...' part was from Zeus' verse in The Horse and the Infant

[@the0neBoio]

yes, and it is also the main melody from Survive "Surround him, attack from behind, keep distance in mind..."

[@America_yax3]

"A vision" "my brothers" "my comrades" "surround him" "some island"

[@maskedwriter4088]

When the crew sings "There is no price he won't pay." It followed the tune of Scylla. It's always a fun little tidbit.

[@JenniferGlatzhofer]

Ooh yes!

[@makaramuss]

I think you made me notice danger motif is saying something too "Caaaptain! Caaaptain!" I think its crying captain, it might be because how much weight on odysseus once again. They are in danger once more and its up to odysseus to salvage the situation as his men look to him for their survival.

[@pokn8058]

The statue in the animatic is Apollo's. Many people got confused because he is indeed a sun god (or more precisely, a god of whom the sun is a symbol). The one they're referring to is Helios, though, so it's just an innocent mistake of the animator. Also, I don't know if you've already recorded the video for Thunder Bringer, but if you haven't I suggest Duvetbox's animatic. It's just gorgeous, imho.

[@takota6316]

"There is no price HE won't pay"

[@raijade9644]

One of the reasons the crew is so upset and shocked is because only Ody knew theyw ere going to Scylla's lair - the rest of them were not aware because of the beeswax. That's why Eury says "something approaches". Odysseus was the only one aware and prepared for the slaughter to come, and everyone else is reeling from the betrayal. It's not just that he made a harsh call, but that he made one in which only he was aware and only one that he was safe from, because he could be sure he wouldn't get a torch. I won't say it was the wrong call for him, but it was a call that had consequences, as we see.

[@CFEntertains]

extremely common Eury L

[@terral-ferma2731]

I can’t wait for your reaction to thunder bringer! Zeus has a voice like melted butter

[@timetellnolies9425]

Make a guy even want a bad man~. literly he voice made me drop

[@ControversialOpinionGuy]

I love how Eurylochus is like "you didnt fight Scylla!" Meanwhile, even the gods are scared of Scylla, lol

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

Actually that's a detail taken from the Odyssey, the gods are scared of Scylla because she's so ugly she's difficult to look at.

[@ControversialOpinionGuy]

@@aadityayanamandra8846 really? I thought their powers didn't work in the sea of monsters?

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

@@ControversialOpinionGuy fully an invention of rick riordan

[@dwell7315]

@@aadityayanamandra8846 it's also (depending on translation of course) highly emphasized how unkillable Scylla is. like, she's described using similar words as the gods are described with in the book (like "deathless gods" and similar phrases). Ody chose the best of three options: don't even try Scylla's lair and just never go home, try to sneak/fight past Scylla and likely lose the whole ship, or make a deal with her and give her an easy meal by sacrificing six men, which Scylla immediately recognized as an offering, and accepted.

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

@@dwell7315 I'm with you when it comes to the Odyssey. However, in EPIC, the only thing we know about Scylla is that she's so ugly poseidon hates looking at her. It's never made clear whether any of this is true, and the remaining crew clearly thinks she could've been fought.

[@memesnahgee5259]

I do think from both perspectives that there was no other choice to make, both on Odysseus’ side and the crews. Odysseus knows that the lair of Sylla was the only way to evade Poseidon’s detection, but he did also knowingly sacrifice 6 crewmates. And the crew is just supposed to accept that? What if there’s another threat on the way home that could be solved by throwing bodies at it? Odysseus made it clear to them that *him* getting home is more important to him than *us* getting home. I’d mutiny too in that position.

[@DarkestNova556]

You misunderstood. Eurylochous is GENUINELY starving. He and the men have given up getting home. They even kept Odysseus alive because although he did sacrifice them they still care enough about him that they didn’t want to kill him.

[@meangr33nkrayola28]

12:54 No, her father, Helios, who is the very embodiment of the Sun

[@Sacheelm]

When Eurylochus is talking about the cows it is the same melody as Zues's part of "The Hourse and the Infant"

[@nyxen07]

In the live stream it says “Odysseus unties himself” or something like that and some people are like “what? if he did now why didn’t he before” I like to think he was trying the whole time and just managed to break/untie it at that point

[@ControversialOpinionGuy]

Fun fact: the one who stabbed Odysseus is named Perimedes, and despite all their songs being cut, him and Elpenor or fan favorite characters

[@Cabooseq117]

Circe's father is Helios, the sun god

[@cdbitesky]

Eurylicus has always been festering throughout the series and we finally see it come to a head. The mutineer is revealed

[@karma_pup]

Something i just recently put together, "Please dont tell me you're about to do what i think youll do" is a call back to Luck Runs Out (specifically when Ody is wanting to go up to the island), as well as a lot of the rhythms and music in that section :D

[@dolphin64575]

You're the first person I've seen mention this, I can’t believe more people don't! (The callback is easiest to spot at "This is the home of the wind/sun god" imo) AND, Odysseus and Eurylocus' arguments are switched, Odysseus is the one saying "No, stop, you're being stupid, you're going to piss off a god and bring their wrath on all of us!"

[@dustybooks_]

shoutout to odysseus and eurylochus, gotta be one of my fav pairs of narrative foils

[@DarkestNova556]

Tbh when Eurylochous said that last “Captain?” I imagine as more of a curiosity than a plea. Like less of a “What did we do wrong?” And more of a “You’re reminding me of who you used to be.”

[@8randomprettysecret8]

This is insightful analysis Jennifer have a great weekend! 🎶

[@ugxsan]

Something interesting about the electric guitar in this song is that it’s attached to Eurylochus as well as Odysseus. Since Eurylochus doesn’t really have an instrument, he kinda gets other people’s instruments when he displays traits of those characters. That’s why even when Ody’s unable to fight back, the guitar is still going strong.

[@felixhenson9926]

Helios is the god of the sun and yes, Helios is Circe's father so good recall! I don't think it's a spoiler to tell you the one who turns up is Zeus (I feel like the Thunder saga name and lightning is probs enough of a clue) and that is because Zeus is the god of judgement. Helios requested Zeus deal out judgement and punishment.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

This is a situation where both parties are at fault. Eurylochus may not be innocent but the fandom seems hellbent on absolving Odysseus of all blame, ignoring the entire theme of EPIC.

[@lukiklepsa6218]

I mean Eurylochus was being hypocritical in mutiny, but was representing the crew at the same time. Oddysseus just got emotional after seeing his people die for the first time. Not to mention his best friend. I would blame Athena for not preparing him better. She is supposed to be smart but clearly never taught him to keep calm under pressure. So in retrospect, she failed him and as consequence he failed her. She at least kinda redeems herself in the Wisdom saga.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@lukiklepsa6218 I’m pretty sure Eurylochus was feeling a lot of emotions when his brother-in-law tried to have him sacrificed. Emotions are not a valid excuse for telling Polyphemus his name. He shares the blame for Poseidon’s wrath and killing of the 500

[@Hammanskraal02]

One thing to remember, Eurylicus got hundreds killed, ody sacrificed six

[@dizzisliving2355]

The sun god is Helios who is the father of Circe. In the Odyssey Eurylochus knew what would happen if they killed the cows, he would have rather died quickly from the gods than starve to death, he was just hoping they could make it home and build a monument to Helios to make up for it.

[@melaniecheshire6420]

Ohhhh I never realized but you're right! The backing chorus are singing something! Is the name (and character) of the next song @-@ "Thunder.... Bringer..."

[@Leighv]

Yeah, Eurylochus messed up big time. Never mess with the Sun God, because when he’s mad he can take away the sun. Which sucks for everyone, which is why all the Gods will do everything they can to make him feel better by obliterating you.

[@beckenfuggle644]

The soldiers name who stabbed Odysseus is perimedes (we only know that because of the live stream 😂)

[@riallebalfour4767]

I just realized something. I first thought that they could have just tried fishing to eating something…then I realized that Poseidon is likely still pissed at them (and they surrounded by ocean). So the water guy could have just made so no fish could be caught.

[@xano2921]

the sun god is Helios, but in the animatic I don't know why, they put Apollo up the statue

[@felixhenson9926]

Yeah for some godforsaken reason this entire fandom seems hellbent that Apollo is the sun god? it has never been Apollo, it's always been Helios.

[@laurentloutrance855]

​@@felixhenson9926 because Apollo also has a herd of cows and he's also link to the sun. Easy to mistake if you only have a surface level of knowledge of the Odyssey 😅

[@chelseahoel1136]

Eurylochus saying "Captain?" after killing the cow gives major "Dad, I phrew up" vibes. lmao

[@phoenixking7557]

The soldier that stabs odyssey is one of my favorite of crew members outher then Eury and polites, his name is Perimedies. He had at least 2 cut songs, also extra info Helios is one of the two sun gods and there on his island. The outher one is Apollo but he is mostly know for being a god of music and lyre.

[@marsultor762]

A slight correction, Apollo became the god of the sun only during Roman times. During the Grecian period, he was only the god of the lyre and music (and maybe medicine, but i may be wrong)

[@phoenixking7557]

@marsultor762 Greek and roman god can be confusing but he was in both it was just Helios was mainly the god of the sun in greek. There was a lot of crossover with gods, if I am wrong, my b, I'm a bit rusty with my knowledge lol

[@xano2921]

​@@marsultor762nope, wrong, Apollo became in the late Antiquity a god of Sun, sometimes supplanting Helios, even in Greece, it wasn't a Roman thing. He and Helios became practically the same god in the cult, but in mythology and literature they remained separate. Apollo was the one who trained the Sun, so he wasn't the Sun god, at least there.

[@marsultor762]

@@phoenixking7557 oh, sorry then. cuz i remembered reading somewhere that the worship of helios and selene started waning near the beginning of rome and that apollo and artemis became associated with those domains.

[@phoenixking7557]

@marsultor762 np I'm a huge fan of mythology and I enjoy discussing it but yeah that part is true the roman made there own pantheon with the greek god and decided to favor the gods they like. For example Apollo was big for being a prophet and having dominion over the sun and Ares god of courage and war.

[@gn753]

Oh my God, I cannot wait until you react to the next song also to the next saga

[@Katie_Cat_]

Oh gosh just wait until we get into Wisdom Saga…

[@Theedanishviking]

5:39 if you look close and listen, the electric guitar comes out when Eurylochus gets ready to fight. This suggests him trying to take Ody's position as the leader

[@aizatheartificer5556]

Fun fact: the new saga is releasing at the end of this month

[@johnpittsii7524]

Hi Jennifer hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤

[@thingmate7361]

I really need the Thunder Bringer reaction to be Nearl Illustrator's version. I know visually it isn't proper canon but it does such an amazing job both depicting everything and standing out style wise while doing so that I think it more than makes up for it.

[@breameunier1529]

I dont know if you know yet, but when Ody calls Erylochus brother, it's quite impactful because Eruy is technically his brother in law and married to Ody's sister!

[@gingerscarlet113]

He has a sister?

[@SarenDracul]

the solider who stabbed Ody was said by Jorge to be Perimedes who was best friends with Elepenor who was a easter egg character from the story where he got drunk and fell off or Circe's Roof and broke his neck.

[@Candycane-Foxy-YT]

12:35 this is a callback to luck runs out

[@ghosty6253]

Hello! Me chiming in again! Fun little tid bit from Mr.Jalapeño (Jorge). He mentions that for Eurylochus, he never had an instrument in the series. The voices and chants of the men are his instrument. Up until when in this song he says “Then you have forced my hand” you hear the guitar riff coming in that is usually Ody’s (can finally say that nickname). Since Eury is taking on the role of captain he also takes the electric guitar from Odysseus, that is why you can still hear it after Odysseus was stabbed and left on the ground. ( Also the character who stabs him is Perimedes, a character who was very close to Elpinor who died randomly in Circe saga. They had a bigger role from cut songs) Can’t wait for the next song for you to enjoy and react!

[@itsTrainHeartnet]

when eurilychus kills the cow i always hear in my head "How now, Brown cow" being repeated as the sun god statue is coming to life as you put it. at least the first one

[@justinebrook2535]

The whole dialog between ody and eurylochus when ody's begging for his life ( 12:33 ) is also a reference to lucks run out except the dialogs are reverse (ex: please don't tell me you're about to do what I think you do is originally said by Eurylochus in lucks runs out) and it's not the wind god but the son god Moreover, Eurylochus warned Ody about pissing the wind god and he was the one who piss of a god

[@Psub950]

I recommend Duvetbox's version of Legendary and Little Wolf

[@allykat2.015]

You should watch Neal Illustators Thunder Bringer. He is so smug in that one.

[@elieli2893]

It's an amazing animatic, the only (kind of a) minus is that in it, they're not yet on the ship and it happens at shore. I'm all for different interpretations, I myself don't have a problem with the difference, but canonically they're on the ship, which does matter a bit plot-wise 🤷‍♂ But yeah I *adore* how smug he is in Neal's animatic, he is genuinely having fun bringing destruction! Gives the whole vibe of "gods don't give a flying f about mortal lives" :D

[@felixhenson9926]

that's my favourite Thunder Bringer too!

[@Pythiuss]

the thing about the six torches, Ody didnt think six random men would go, he knew that specifically whoever bore the torches would go. In all the animatics ive seen Eurylochus had one of the torches and hands it off when he figures out what Ody has done. Which means Eurylochus confronts him he was especially pissed because he was one of the torchbearers originally.

[@razependragon7472]

Thx for the reaction

[@catehendricks2872]

When you get to the Wisdom Saga you should watch the live stream for the animatics.

[@1314Lelouch]

Would love to see reactions to Steven Rodriguez ( Poseidon) and TROY (Hermes) their solo stuff they sing outside of Epic

[@PrevGamingFacility]

Oh no Your not ready for Thunder Bringer it brings to many things...😶

[@satsukynolife4094]

i can't wait for next week, this is going to be good

[@rosa-san5259]

For Thunder Bringer, please check out Neal Illustrator. You'll get the best impression of it!

[@thumper15bambi]

Apollo, god of the sun, music, medicine, protector of youth, archery (can't think of anything else. Apollo's cows ware also cherry red and at one point were stollen by baby Hermes who got him to forgive him by making a lyre (i think thats the right instruament). Hellios was the old god of the sun, he transfered his domain to Apollo. Also fun fact, Hellios' wife was Rhode daughter of Posideon.

[@malinnilsen5188]

I never see anyone mention how Ody changes his words from "I need to go get home" to "we can get home" once the rest of the crew joins in with Eury

[@serenac.7192]

The thing with Eurylochus is that he's kinda losing hope. They've been suffering for so long, and everytime they think it may be over, something happens and the suffering continues. Atp he'd rather eat and be killed on a full stomach, than continue home no matter how much suffering it'll cause.

[@xwixy9994]

Scylla was indeed the only way for them to get home, but it they tried to fight her, she would just sink the entire ship this is the reason Odysseus decided that sacrificing just men was a "lesser evil" option i personally think the the biggest problem is not the sacrifice itself, but the fact that Ody kept his whole crew in the dark about wat was going to happen, so no they cannot trust him at all

[@SilverCrow0101]

17:30 as soon as they do something stupid/wrong, they look straight towards their captain and follow his orders lmao

[@bananatos8929]

I don't know if you've already got an animatic picked for Thunder Bringer, (and believe me there are tons of amazing ones out there) but if you don't, I recommend Neal Illustrator's version. Their animatic captures just how smug Zeus is and it's EVERYTHING! ♥️⚡️⛈

[@airiatasui8591]

I second this. My only gripe with it is it being on land instead of the boat.

[@bananatos8929]

@@airiatasui8591 I know, I 200% agree with you on that.

[@panthyra3983]

Oh yes. I love this animatic.

[@baileyravenwick]

the reason that I'm not on Eurylochus' side is that "If you want all the power you must carry all the blame." and he immediately shunts all the responsibility back on to Odysseus.

[@TheElectaTube]

I like in this animatic how it shows the strings tying Odysseus snap as he pulls himself free, I always found the others weird how he just unties himself. Also lots of people have mentioned it before by Scylla was their best/only option home mention by the Sirens and she requires six sacrifices I think the only other way home would have been Charybdis which would risk the entire ship being destroyed and them all dying.

[@1mtry1ng_myb3zt]

The sun god (technically titan) is Helios, and Circe is his daughter

[@dorianw1810]

The men on the ship said "there is no price he (Odysseus) won't pay" in comment to them dying before stabbing Ody

[@nicholasrolo886]

Just wait til she hears Luke Holt as Zeus ❤

[@Candycane-Foxy-YT]

11:33 this is a call back to Polethemous

[@ignisfelix5837]

I don't know whether you've picked out a Thunder Bringer animatic, but I HIGHLY recommend DuvetBox's one. Zeus's design in it is absolutely brilliant, and I am very obsessed with it ❤❤

[@SunSlayerKD]

Duvetbox's is great but Neal Illustrator's is my go-to. Just a shame that the ending is displayed differently enough for first time reactions. Also really love BrittPowPixel's intepretation of what's going on in the middle of Thunderbringer, definitely a must-watch too just for that.

[@tengenuzui8425]

He knew how it would end, and he was JUSTIFIED.

[@aricraft9232]

scylla was the only way to go through but odysseus didn't tell anyone that they were going through scylla, he just did it without asking and I guess expected everyone to be ok with it

[@sippy1850]

The next saga after wisdom coming out on 31st october

[@sureindubitably3771]

Take note every time there is a piano without Athena Jen 12:53 LEZGO HOT CIRCE

[@Animefan24]

They summoned Zeus after killing a cow. i look forward to seeing your reaction to thunder bringer. I am also looking forward to your anaylsis of Wisdom saga

[@help_ex]

His name is peremedies (the one who stabbed ody) most his songs are cut like elpeanor

[@hotshot104]

Helios is the sun god but he has two Shepherds that guard his cows

[@wendygranger5969]

Little thing here, remember Odysseus is the king of Ithaca and pulling a weapon on the king is treason also Odysseus calling Eurylochus brother because they are friends like close brother friendship but Eurylochus is also married to Odysseus's sister so brother in-laws.

[@tengenuzui8425]

And erm. Odysseus was absolutely pleading for ALL their lives. Helios is the god of the sun, the son of the Titan Hyperion, and that island houses his cattle. Needless to say, slighting him is something you dont do and walk away from.