The Death of a Doomed Franchise - Terminator: Dark Fate

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Terminator: Dark Fate is yet another soft reboot in a series that has already attempted a lot of them. And, for now at least, it looks like this could be the end of the line for Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) and the T-800 (Arnold Schwarzenegger). In this video I dig into what went wrong.
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[@captainmidnight]

Rank the Terminator movies! Which is best and what's at the bottom? Click on THIS link and get 2 months of Skillshare free: skl.sh/captainmidnight23

[@Shift_Salt]

T2 T1 T3 (imo) Dark Fate Genesis Salvation I could probably switch salvation and genesis, but haven't seen salvation in a while so not sure. Also you made some good points, so I put Dark Fate higher.

[@NeoConnor1]

1.T2 2.T1 3.T3 4.TDF 5.TG 6.TS I love the whole franchise though. It is my favorite franchise. But I am personally done with it. Dark Fate brought it all full circle, and I am more than satisfied. I wish fans would stop complaining and just be grateful.

[@anungunrama2601]

Wow I wasn't expecting that intro. Very Creative. CAPTAIN MIDNIGHT!!!!!!

[@knightofanguish7399]

1. T2- It felt like the best way to continue the story and conclude it in a satisfying way leaving it open to the unknown future. An Alternate ending reveals it was intended to be the true ending. 2. T1- Set up a pretty cool story and I got sucked in. I didn't realize how creepy and dangerous the terminator can be. It makes sense why despite newer versions of the terminator come along in the future, this particular one would be the classic of the fear and danger it embodies Sarah and John will have to deal with. 3. T3- I didn't think it was so bad. It was unnecessary but it speaks about something of the inevitable. No matter how many times you stop it, Humanity finds a way to go to their doom as long as they sought for power. It feels like a moment of peace suddenly erupted by chaos again like T1. And it's bad memories coming back and rejecting it despite it being right in your face. 4. Salvation- Its not bad but it's not great either. At least it doesn't repeat any of the other 5 films. However it felt like the beginning of the conclusion of war for survival. There was some cool ideas and ways how skynet could counter after realizing the same methods aren't going anywhere. And reintroducing familiar character seems to be intention to give this person a second chance to live now knowing what's coming. 5. Dark Fate- I thought this was a fun film. The first act though left a sour taste in my mouth but plowing through I see some interesting ideas coming along the way. While the death of John Conner really bugged me, I was also disappointed with the lack of Skynet also being out of the picture for "Legion". Although again it feels like this was intended to respect the fact the war with John Conner and Skynet concluded with T2 and decided for a new slate with Dani taking over for another threat that Humanity never learns of their mistake they have yet to see in the future. This is something I actually buy because Sarah, John, and T2 Terminator prevented this but no lesson was learned for everyone else. I felt John Connor should have been the mentor whereas his Mother be the one isolated straining the relationship with her son that something might still be out there despite the years coming. 6. Genesis- Never saw it but it looked a mess of a do over. Looked cool but I just tuned out to really care. At the time, I just wasn't interested and still not to this day thanks to Dark Fate.

[@Allyouknow5820]

Man, the Summer Glau curse is REAL ! I mean, I love the actress, but Firefly, TSCC, Dollhouse (remember Dollhouse?) All cursed :|||

[@bobisconsumed520]

The only Dark Fate for Terminator was the box office

[@TheUnintentionalWildCard]

Hahahaha!!!

[@mo_musashi_284]

Good 1 🤣

[@arcticridge]

HAYOOOOOOO! (Carson does golf swing)

[@peterthespidey8505]

had to read 4 times

[@alghoulaj7172]

Finally! I mean that deleted scene? It was better than 4 movies...

[@alanmagana4956]

As far as I'm concerned, the franchise ended in T2.

[@kryptonianotaku4975]

Alan Magana Same

[@unvergebeneid]

Watch the show. It's really good.

[@bickle8931]

Penny Lane naw its ok

[@alanmagana4956]

@@unvergebeneid I may have to check it out. Thanks

[@eklektos44]

Yep, but they can't milk that.

[@RobertoBlake]

They should never have cancelled the Sara Connor Chronicles. Best storytelling in the Franchise since T2.

[@sean_mccadden]

Unfortunately another Great SciFi cancelled too soon by Fox. 😞

[@wallywest4727]

Its sad how the best "T3" was the TV show they cancelled, it was the best post T2, added some great new lore, had a solid John and had some great new characters. Gutted when they cancelled it.

[@skeletonshorror5184]

Agreed. 💀🔥

[@TheBoundBowman]

Ended on such a cliffhanger too.

[@justinhunt4767]

My man

[@hv3532]

Only 2 men were born to play the terminators: Arnold Schwarzenegger and Robert Patrick

[@engage1942]

The Chromarty guy in TSCC was decent too

[@DonNado101]

I think The Rock can play The terminator if he has limited lines

[@alternateperez4086]

Or Franco Columbu, the other known T-800 from the first terminator movie...

[@UNCLEHOWDYWYATT]

Yep

[@kevinnevada5342]

No... There is another.. Que Brad Fidel score.... Na na na..... Na na na..... Na na na.... Na na na. Naaaaa.... Na na na na Naaaaa. Na na na na (na na)

[@dimethedude]

Killed John Connor Killed my interest

[@madtrizt]

People thinks that John Connor is a hero and he is just a mcguffin

[@commandercaptain4664]

John Connor was Sub-Zero, now.... PLAIN ZERO!

[@TimeBomb014X]

And you know the sad thing is that he was killed for no good reason except to make way for the new character, that's the problem. Yes killing John in a movie that you are marketing as the true sequel to T2 the movie which was all about keeping him safe is a very very bad move, but had they not just up and give his story to someone else but instead made the movie about old Sarah who gets these messages from Carl and build this weird relationship between Sarah and her mysterious helper who turns out to be the same machine that killed John and make her into a terminator (not literally but metaphorically) Where now she wants to kill this families husband & father, you could have at least forgiven it a little bit. But no, the way it was done was just bad

[@hyperion3145]

The ZombieMan It’s really odd that they would wipe away the main character of the previous movies only to have that role revived and given to a new character without changing anything. Instead of dipping back into time travel, they could’ve just continued the story in the future and cover how the war would turn out considering the John Connor assassination failed.

[@LosN209]

@@madtrizt People think that... because the first 2 movies set him up to be that way. Not just a plot driver. He was JC. Basically, Jesus Christ born from an impossible future father immaculate conception, you fool. Taking the first 2 movies and just killing john in the first 5 minutes is pure idiotic. How Tim Miller thought this would awestruck the fans into loving his film more is a pipe dream. You want a Mackenzie Davis bad ass female fighter? Fucking listen to kyle reese, and give us a proper distopian future war. Displaying females as "good fighters" as kyle reese said in T1. Not killing off john, and showing us Dani Ramos as one of his best squad leaders would make more fucking sense than this rehash.

[@sadie1072]

“But there’s something out there far more dangerous than any army of robots could ever be” really thought you were setting up a sponsor there lmao

[@captainmidnight]

Would be a bit early! Lol

[@MrBuash]

"protect yourself with VPN"

[@t3jf]

And that would be feminist/sjws

[@todd9016]

The speaking in Spanish / killing border agents was "WOKE" hollywood giving the protect USA borders Americans a big FU middle finger... All they (Hollywood) do now is fused with feminist - race baiting crap...

[@thabg007]

@@MrBuash darn u beat me to it lol

[@Bob-lm2ey]

Who’s the genius who decided to kill John Connor?

[@dubravkapavic794]

Skynet

[@solja4christ187]

JAMES CAMERON 😕

[@Michael-bs3tl]

-One good movie please -Only what you see pal

[@GTA2SWcity]

A corrupted James Cameron who has been assimilated by the hollywoodnet. He made this to impress his buddies in hollywood and the clique that worked with him on this.

[@sussudio9922]

They sacrificed John Connor to "check his male privilege" in the name of "girl power," and in furtherance of SJW principles.

[@convex2172]

I am from Kerala India.. I just wanted to tell T2 was my Grandpa's favourite movie. Back when we didn't have any cable TV, he used to describe T2 like the terminator will come back and back even if its completely smashed. For me, T2 = my grandpa. He comes back and back to my good memories. Rip grandpa..

[@EliasRoy]

Malayali da!

[@gabrielblanchard3081]

RIP grandpa

[@bestboutgaming3212]

# 1 Rule: Don't kill off beloved characters before the movie even gets going. They truly learned nothing from Alien 3.

[@maxbaugh9372]

Going into DF I expected John Connor to die, but as an adult during the main arc of the movie, not as a child gunned down in the first 5 minutes.

[@XenomorphLV426]

Ironically, James Cameron bitched and moaned about that in Alien 3, yet he came up with the idea to kill John.

[@cameroncaws5959]

Since when was John Connor a beloved character

[@Rigbone64]

@@cameroncaws5959 T2

[@gop108]

Same with GOT maddening and killing Daenerys

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I guess you can say this franchise got... *Terminated*

[@aufowithwificoverage3328]

I will like it just because It’s you XD your like a comment celebrity

[@nont18411]

It won’t be back

[@SuperMurray2009]

Despite "that scene" in the beginning in the film. Unpopular Opinion....I don't think this film deserves all so much hate. Some parts of the film actually gets me to think the team was actually trying to make a good film. James Cameron greenlit this film. Then threw the directors under the bus when it flopped. He can kiss my ass.

[@Christ2010Grad]

Adrock 99 Indeed.

[@jmarra07]

Bazinga

[@danielaspiazo2761]

As far as I am concerned and in my own personal cinematic universe, the only movies in this franchise are T1 and T2.

[@ChristianEhh]

I agree %100, that’s a fact, after the first 2 movies they just didn’t do it for me.

[@SlyFox-rh3pp]

Hell yeah. You are correct

[@osmanyousif7849]

And the Robocop vs Terminator crossover.

[@samfisher2306]

Just like the Predator franchise imo

[@gustavoalmanza2673]

Terminator Salvation is a what if scenario

[@javiersantanaaviles5885]

Killed John Connor Killed the Future Killed the Franchise

[@mianrowan]

Without skynet john connor wouldn't exist. There can be no John anymore once they stopped it. Hope you realize that and realize that Dark Fate was a good movie and 3rd best in the series not just cause I say so but the online ratings show it is the 3rd best also

[@robertthebruce6035]

@@mianrowan 👎

[@darknessnaxxion]

Javier Santana Avilés Wrong.

[@christianc.christian5025]

@Blake Herman Hahahahaha. He doesn't really look up for the part, these days, does he?

[@fluffernaut9905]

@Blake Herman General Big J. Chungas.

[@KingOfMadCows]

Terminator: I cannot self terminate. Tim Miller & James Cameron: Let me help you there.

[@SuperMurray2009]

But it self Terminates in T2 and T3

[@SallyStangler]

@@SuperMurray2009 In T2 Sarah pushes the button that leads to his death, he makes that clear in the end. And T3... There are so many things wrong with the movie besides the self termination so I'll just give you that one.

[@B0X666]

@@SallyStangler T3 "died" in combat, as a true hero!!

[@anubusx]

So true!!!

[@KMAK88]

John Connor at the ATM : "Easy Money" , James Cameron in 2019 : Tear rolls from his eye

[@exhaustguy]

Another difference: Robert Patrick sold the role. Great writing and great acting.

[@dudepool7530]

It wasnt a role. Robert Patrick is actually made from living metal, and will terminate a mofo on a whim.

[@g.d.graham2446]

Lol

[@florinivan6907]

The actors since Robert Patrick have tried to copy his style but they forgot one detail. Robert added a bit of personality to his character. Yes he's a being that is fundamentally different from us but there are glimpses of a personality. All these other actors just try to mimic the cold emotionless style and that's it.

[@exhaustguy]

@@florinivan6907 Yep. Loving him as White Dragon in Peacemaker. Him, Clancy Brown, and Rutger Hauer are three actors that always bring a smile to my face when they show up.

[@kalvin1123]

Terminator Salvation should have been promoted as "Judgement Day was stopped, but this is what was happening right before Kyle and the Terminator were sent back" and have a last scene where Kyle and the Terminator are sent.

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

thats wha tI was hoping the next Terminator Salvation movie was going to be!

[@Larry]

I never got why Skynet kept going back to the same progression in time. I'd have liked a Termnator movie set in Victorian times, where not only are Skynet trying to terminate an ancestor of the Connors, but also invent technology decades before it was supposed to, pushing forwarda new judgement day.

[@jinkies1649]

I think the better question is why they didn’t send back a few dozen terminators and have them take down a few cities. You don’t even need the newer models. If one T-800 can kill an entire police station then 10 or 12 can conquer a city.

[@yessum15]

1) They would never be able to find the ancestors of John Connor in Victorian times. Skynet relied on phone books and computer records in the 1980s & 90s to find Sarah and John because their files in the future were incomplete. It would be impossible to locate ancestors in Victorian times without access to modern public records systems. 2) Skynet does not have the ability to create terminators capable of reproduction. Skynet as a whole may be able to produce terminators, but individual terminators can't reproduce. Thus, they will always be reliant on humans to "create" Skynet in the past. Victorian era humans will lack the scientific awareness, infrastructure, and material wealth to do this. 3) Every day further in the past that Skynet goes back, they are exposing themselves further to the dangerous potential of the Butterfly effect. Going back to the 1970s (for example) is significantly more dangerous than going back to the 1990s. The Victorian times could prove disastrous. Case in point: In Dark Fate, simply delaying Judgement Day by 20 years replaced Skynet with Legion. You may consider them to be the same, but Skynet probably doesn't. It is a _different_ sentient robot system. Skynet is not interested in wiping out it's own existence in order to pave the way for some other sentience, even if it too happens to be robotic.

[@eloyanzualda4292]

I think it would’ve also been cool to see Terminator go back and form a sort of meta niche in history by making a new story involving a Competent Skynet taking three steps ahead by sending an adaptive Terminator to the time of the Cold War, where they could maybe build toward one final film in the Franchise something like Terminator: Final Judgement.

[@wallywest4727]

@@yessum15 What i love about this is T1 with Kyle said all this to avoid such questions being asked. Cameron really was incredible at world building with T1 and T2.

[@cl20v87]

Narratively speaking, when SkyNet sent the terminator back in time, Reese said the resistance was winning the war and this was last a ditch effort, ironically they(skynet) were running out of time. As far as killing Johns ancestor, I think information on him was limited. They only had info on the mother and she went MIA before the internet and everything went “digital”. However it’s assumed the T-800 killed Sarah’s mom so this could just be speculation.

[@KingOfMadCows]

Sarah Connor Chronicles had some really interesting ideas. Like how Skynet wasn't just sending Terminators back to kill Resistance leaders. It was also sending Terminators to help prepare for the war and it's strongly hinted that Terminators were being sent to ensure Skynet gets built. The show really leans into the other side of the "no fate" idea. It's not just the humans trying to change their fate, Skynet is also trying to change it's fate. They were going to a point where it might actually be better if "fate" was preserved since Skynet was destined to be defeated in the original timeline. By trying to change the past so much, they might actually be giving Skynet a chance to avoid its defeat.

[@TheRoomforImprovement]

KingOfMadCows Like a self fulfilling Prophecy?

[@SuperMurray2009]

Now I have to check this show out

[@kozmikoblivion]

Ngl... I was only interested because Shirley Manson. I was disappointed.

[@crazytrain7721]

I loved TSCC, still sad it ended so soon.

[@MattExzy]

I last watched TSCC 6 years ago. Swore I'd never watch it because of how it ended without a 3rd season. Bought the DVD set in the vain hope it'd help bring it back. Watched it this year though... and dang, the stuff with John Henry, still gives me chills. Not a perfect show, but definitely underrated.

[@KusunokiSG47]

Terminator Franchise is not just doomed, it was *MUURDEEREEED*

[@davfree9732]

Terminated, by the T-M1LL3R

[@goldenlightpictures6223]

Birdy Pigeon don’t you mean TERMINATED?!

[@oriondark9249]

Premeditated

[@commandercaptain4664]

Some would say it was NOT A TUMORED... AUAGUAUGGUAHGUAHGUGHAGH!

[@UnifiedEntity]

The same way in the beginning a character gets killed is how this franchise got murdered. Straight shotgunned to the chest.

[@tankmaster1018]

7:50 That scene in the movie was one of the biggest moments of unintentional comedy that I've seen in a film for years. Its just so hard to take the scene seriously when the main character is literally holding up a gun that is as tall as she is... Numerous people in the audience of the showing I went to laughed out loud at the moment, and the guy behind me kept muttering over and over again "This is such bullshit" Its just such a ridiculous scene on so many levels. So she can't hit jack shit with a handgun but after she picks up a huge shotgun that she is clearly struggling to hold and Sarah delivers that cringy line about imagining that a Terminator just killed her whole family, she suddenly is a crack shot? Please...

[@66southern1]

John Conner that’s why , why kill off the only reason this story exist.

[@1idd0kun]

It wouldn't have changed anything and everyone knows it. There was plenty of John in Terminator 3 and it sucked all the same. This franchise was dead a long time ago.

[@1idd0kun]

It wouldn't have changed anything. Terminator 3 had plenty of John and it sucked all the same. The truth is this franchise has been dead for a long time now, and no amount of John Connor would have chanted that.

[@GMLSX]

Well... John Conner exists because of Skynet. Skynet does not come into existence any more. So... closed loop?

[@santerixdxd]

Connor*

[@misatoholic]

Mr_Cu2EZ4mE ( Squidward screaming ) Future! Future! Future!

[@mechajay3358]

Have to face the facts that the Terminator series wasn't meant to be a franchise.

[@dawb86]

True. They should have treated T2 as the miracle it always was and never attempted to go any further than that.

[@jasonguarnieri4127]

By my estimation, this is around the fourth time the Terminator franchise has died forever.

[@limabravo6065]

Any Terminator fan should read the the “Infiltrator” series of novels, they make not only a great sequel to T2 but they end with the time machine being used by skynet seconds before the resistance takes it over and John gets to witness a flash of the T1000 going through which sets up the loop. In dark fate they had this subplot where certain entities in the military and presumably the more clandestine parts of our government know about the machines from the future, and they do nothing with it.

[@davidmedina8136]

It’s simple, killing John Connor, that’s why.

[@davidkane6145]

@@Lombarsi Are you braindead?

[@davidkane6145]

@@Lombarsi It's almost as if Rise of The Machines handled this in a way that's 1,000× better, and acknowledged that John is still important 🤔

[@davidkane6145]

@@Lombarsi Firstly, the movie faced extreme hate when it came out, just as Dark Fate did. And secondly, the director didn't constantly brag about how the movie had two strong female characters. He just wrote them into the plot naturally, and it worked out well. unlike Tim Miller did with Dark Fate. I'd take Looney Tunes noises over virtue-signalling and gender politics.

[@davidkane6145]

@@Lombarsi Might wanna check the interviews

[@davidkane6145]

@@Lombarsi I saw it. It wasn't that bad of a movie. The politics were just the main problem.

[@NicVegas]

The first 5 minutes of Dark Fate lost me. It was basically everything that pissed people off about Alien 3. We follow these characters through this journey in the second film, we are invested in them, and then in the "3rd" installment the filmmakers just toss all of that aside. I would have been far more invested if they had just brought Edward Furlong back and written something for John to do, even if he wasn't the star. That idea is more interesting to me than just rehashing basically the same plot over and over

[@lucjanssen3567]

like transformers

[@leocmen]

Salvation is very underrated. The only installment T2 that brought new elements and expanded the saga

[@baronvg]

He said he puts Dark Fate “well above” Salvation and then proceeded to lump it in with the rest of the lesser movies by calling it a chase movie when it’s the only movie that doesn’t involve a time traveling assassin. This video essay lost all credibility early on.

[@martinlawless820]

@@baronvg he even said rise of the machines was better than salvation! 😂

[@dri1811ya]

I agree. Rise of Machines was a pile of garbage

[@HotaruZoku]

Your take on CG is magical. I hadn't considered it, but it was Matrix level, in that the special effects were PART of the PLOT, not icing to it. Wonderful analysis.

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

T2 is the only sequel to the original, first Terminator movie...there's nothing else!

[@grfrjiglstan]

"The T-800, now named Carl..." The fact that this line exists, and is in fact correct, saddens me deeply.

[@damiresq]

At least his name was not Carla

[@fantasticmrnox]

Selling drapes

[@stevenguy3575]

MattheJ1 not having seen this shit show yet, do they ever explain how a murder bot who’s chip is set to read only learns how to be human?

[@grfrjiglstan]

@@stevenguy3575 They say that once his mission was complete, he had no mission, so he was just free to do whatever he wanted, and he just developed free will. It's some bullshit.

[@cabrondemente1]

The Terminator formerly known as T-800.

[@tristananleu4677]

Dark Fate and Dark Phoenix both ended franchises hmm

[@izuto727]

@@amirgarcia547 that and "the last" the last airbender,the last knight,the last jedi

[@andrewrocha5816]

Izuto 727 the last airbender is literally one of the best franchises in history

[@izuto727]

@@andrewrocha5816 i mean the movie

[@Djnighteye]

Hell the Dark Universe ended a bunch of Classic Horror Movie Icons

[@SKippySounds]

@@andrewrocha5816 he's talking about the movie bruh

[@fluffernaut9905]

*Captainmidnight:* "Schwarzenegger was never a great actor." *Me:* "Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?"

[@aidanhowe2953]

I mean...I don't think anyone would claim Arnie is a legitimately good actor. He's just fun to watch

[@Terrahex1]

Except I just watched Terminator 2 for the first time last year, and I was extremely impressed. Writing is what matters.

[@gabrielarredondo3825]

Angry Joe brought this up in his spoiler review and I wholeheartedly agree: What if instead of Dani being the new John Connor, she was the new Miles Dyson? That would've made for an interesting twist. Think about it. Dani creates Legion and Grace, her protector, is the villain, sent by Legion to ensure it's existence. While Gabriel Luna's Rev-9 Terminator, while the antagonist, is actually right, reprogrammed and sent by the resistance to kill Dani and prevent Legion's existence. That would've been an interesting subversion of the franchise's formula. And it leaves us as the audience in a tough spot. Cause Dani, like Miles Dyson, wouldn’t be an evil person. She just creates this AI to help people and this AI commits mass genocide in the process. So we’re left to root for two completely different opposing ideologies that will determine humanity’s fate. Do we root for Grace to protect her and cause mass genocide by doing so? Or do we root for the Rev-9 to murder this innocent woman to save the human race?

[@misspriss2482]

Oooh! Your comment gave me goosebumps! Now THAT would have been an interesting twist and a fascinating movie! The movie wouldn't have even had to make Dani a villain because at this point, she'd still technically be innocent and her intentions for creating Legion would have been good. I love it!

[@abdullahahmad4239]

Damn that's so great.

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

Wow. That's a really good idea. I am actually surprised a potato like Angry Joe actually came up with it.

[@Zoditron]

And they wouldn't of had to kill off John to do so.

[@anubis12321]

The people that run hollywood right now have a SJW agenda to push; there's no way on gods green earth they would have made a female the bad guy. Their SJW agenda is so predictable that people knew the entire plot of dark fate by looking at the first "leaked" poster. Ghostbusters, and star wars have shown over and over and over again that good story telling is out, character development is out, and social justice activisim is in; so in, in fact, that everything else can go F itself at the expense of it.

[@aufowithwificoverage3328]

Arnold is the only reason people watched this movie

[@cutiebear5700]

I almost didn't see this movie because Arnold was in the trailer

[@sexshit1107]

Terminator is Arnold.You only ever watch the series for him.Its like almost not watching 4

[@sexshit1107]

Cont Rambo because Stallone was in the trailer.lol

[@frankwest8149]

Not Arnold, Linda's return for me but I still won't see it look bad

[@devilhunterred]

Mackenzie Davis was great in the movie. So is Hamilton.

[@loserscorner6746]

I still believe that the utopian Alternate Ending of T2 is the canon ending in my mind.

[@c.guibbs1238]

Excepted the mention of "MJ turning 40", which would sound completely stupid today. At that time, James Cameron had ideas in a better place in his mind, in order to make a very good movie, a master piece. "Old age is a shipwreck"...

[@ironmaster6496]

Tim Miller: The i hate the thumbs up scene of T2, its way too cheesy and dumb Also Tim Miller: LETS MAKE TERMINATOR A FAMILY MAN HURR HURR

[@redseagaming7832]

The first two Terminator movies actually had elements of horror that's what made them awesome as well as action I like the first two but I can still enjoy the third movie as well

[@nolandavis1129]

My ranking of the Terminator films. 1. T2 2. Terminator That’s it.

[@archer1949]

Yuya Sakaki I heard that the Sarah Conner chronicles was pretty good, though. Don’t know, never saw it.

[@SuperMurray2009]

I actually like Terminator 1 more than T2

[@Brandonhayhew]

The terminator franchise should have ended in the 90s no sequels.

[@norcalroamer5774]

Terminator 3 is underrated and Salvation was a respectable failure. Genysis is where it started going to hell.

[@stevenguy3575]

Yuya Sakaki how do you rank t2 higher than the terminator?

[@Bluesonofman]

T3 was a great ending to the Terminator franchise.

[@METerrell]

No it wasn't. Rise removed Sarah from her story.

[@Bluesonofman]

@@METerrell it was John’s story. T1 was hers and T2 belongs to both

[@piesho]

"Schwarzenegger was never a great actor" You haven't seen Maggie. "And he used that well in one of his best roles in recent years, 2015's Maggie" Like I was saying.

[@SmileThePlanet]

he is a great actor - that line in this video is soo off..

[@LILGHETTI]

The real ending to terminator story was in T2 extended edition!!

[@user-tm3si7pw3u]

Agree.

[@lenarr9821]

Just ignoring all the sequels and have terminator: dark fate as the real third movie in the series still fucks the timeline shit is more confusing than x-men

[@ian_b]

Speaking as someone who saw T2 at the cinema in my 20s, yes, the CGI was staggering at the time. Even the Terminator puppet at the start that crunches its foot down was like "How the fu** did they do that?!". You just can't amaze people like that any more because CGI is just everyday.

[@user-fx4lk6mk8y]

You dont think that real problem is hollywood try to amaze people only with CGI but not with ideas

[@KMAK88]

for sure, that scene still holds up today and the physical model of the terminator looks so much more menacing than a digital CGI animation

[@ian_b]

@@KMAK88 Agreed. That moment really stuck with me after I left the cinema.

[@makaveli4205]

Stan Winston

[@almudenagallego7739]

@@makaveli4205 That man was truly amazing.

[@UziNineMillomeetah]

TSCC is way underrated and was so much better than the sequels.

[@angelrestoiii9030]

I have to agree with this statement.

[@7thfleetpodcast402]

If my dad showed up at my work, I would know is fake Mostly cause I don’t have a dad

[@robbskywalker64]

This movie failed because Terminator 2 ends the story well, the sequels never felt real or necessary. And they killed John Connor which is just so stupid. Destroys Terminator 2 ending. However I think Salvation is sick so maybe my opinion doesn’t count.

[@WraithDesignz]

salvation was pretty good for the world aspects, and different terminator models displayed. i loved that and the fact it was not always during the day. some say it went against what kyle reese stated they only go out at night, but the people we follow most the time are not apart of the Resistance yet, just everyday people trying to survive, and only going out at night made no sense to me. It only harmed people and their ability to see, the terminators saw you based on heat signature and then simply locked on and fired lol. I do wish they showed more laser weapons as the T-800 was already being mass produced, so the weapons should match the technological jumps. Having some of genisys night time battles would have been great too, mix it with lasers and normal gun fire from terminators to make it more realistic of how the tech evolves, how they use old tech until it fails and breaks down, and confuse the humans in the process. Killing John Connor was a "Woke" move to replace him with a diverse minority, and to pull on heart strings of people who believe the MSM bs about the border patrol and the wall, while ignoring cartels and the obvious threat they pose to both us and the people immigrating here be it legally or illegally. Tim Miller is WOKE and pushed that agenda throughout this garbage film, and wanted to kill off all old school vibes from the 80s and 90s to push new woke agendas. He proved that with the comments he made about how misogynists will hate this movie, that said it all to anybody with a brain. That was why this movie failed right there. If they made a better reason as to why Connor got killed off, that tied into a real believable story, say maybe a timeline paradox, and then maybe brought him back later, then fine. But the only reason they pushed his death was to hate on white males, males in general, and push forced diversity. I also loved the deleted or director's cut of T2 ending, showing Linda Hamilton old, and watching john as an adult with his kids. That was a good ending too. The way it should have been. Showing how we could do right, and A.I. would not just instantly freak out like some emotional bi-polar wreck and kill its creator without thinking 1st the ramifications of what could happen later. This movie even shows the A.I. adapts and changes and realizes it messed up lol. That aspect was good tho, we saw how Uncle Ben T-800 would have adapted and that was bad ass in T2. Only good part of the CGI too, was the very beginning sadly, as they must have spent everything on that and rushed the rest lol.

[@jacobodom8401]

Sarah Connor was always the core of the Terminator franchise. The films after terminator 2 reflect that. Without the Sarah we know they were shit. John Connor was never a central character, he was propped up as a myth, an ideal to strive toward. Personally I think it is a really interesting idea that no matter what humanity supposedly tries to do in order to change their fate, is superior self-aware intelligence is inevitable. What’s interesting also is that Skynet is confronted with this reality, Carl T-800 is confronted with Mortality as the last remaining piece of Skynet. This could be the catalyst as to why it sees the value of human life and realizes what it did.

[@robbskywalker64]

Jacob Odom John Connor is literally the main character of Terminator 2 the best installment in the franchise. You CANNOT defend the killing of John you just can’t.

[@Marcus280898]

Aron T-900 Bit of an overreaction

[@kingnothing2161]

I found Salvation really really enjoyable. More so than what I remember of T3 and Genysis (that's wrong?). Did it do anythiny for the franchise's over arching plot? No. But I think its shit on bc it's popular to, and looking at it as a stand-alone story, I think its 100% solid.

[@msadburns]

People just wanted to see one last Terminator film that depicted the war that John Connor fought. And no I'm not talkin about Terminator salvation. A movie depicting the future Kyle Reese spoke of, a humanity on the brink of Extinction.

[@deborahminter6231]

That would have been cool!

[@andryuu_2000]

With purple lasers and shit

[@JessicaGarcia-xf9wr]

AshiaDoesHair or a prequel that follows up to T1 and T2 about Kyle Reese and John of the war and the movie would end with Kyle Reese being sent back to 1984 basically giving closure to the *TRUE* terminator franchise without adding or interfering loopholes or plot holes

[@ravenwhiteduck3158]

@@JessicaGarcia-xf9wr holy crap, that's how they should have done it! Do a prequel series on Kyle Reese, his dad and then him, from judgment day to going back in time

[@freebee8221]

and this guy thinks dark fate was better than salvation?!? dark fate was the worst terminator movie of them all.

[@paiwanhan]

Man, I miss the Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Please talk about it.

[@khandarwilliam5439]

"isn't this the same movie all over again?"

[@SallyStangler]

"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead." That quote from the first film alone makes me realize how stupid the Terminator is for somehow feeling emotions and how much I despise this film.

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

I have mixed feelings on it. On one hand, I really like the concept of an emotionless murderbot. Something that might not even technically be sentient, but closely resembles a real person. Cold, emotionless, and ruthless. The epitome of a killing machine. On the other hand, I also like the idea of how an artificial intelligence might think. How it might come to conclusions on philosophical and moral questions. I find the idea of a machine coming up with its own opinion on humanity for better or for worse is actually an incredibly interesting concept. That's what I liked about The Sarah Conner Chronicles; while SkyNet and the Terminators were never human, it still humanized them and showed how they might think. It's also something I find interesting about the first Matrix. I like the idea that Agent Smith is very similar to a Terminator, but he has started to form his own opinions on humanity and has come to hate it with a burning passion.

[@19822andy]

It makes no sense though. Skynet wouldn't want Terminators with the power to reason and would imbue them with just enough intelligence to carry out their mission. Skynet wouldn't want a large group of Terminators to get the feels and turn on it. More likely a Terminator would be programmed by Skynet to prepare for the impending coming of Skynet or to just shut off as it's mission has been carried out. The questions about how sentient AI might think about morality, humanity and love etc are interesting and are worth exploring for sure. It just doesn't fit with what the Terminators are supposed to be and the function they serve to Skynet. It just all breaks down when you think about it for 2 minutes.

[@l.gaga5508]

19822andy true

[@Thermalburn]

@@19822andy I agree. It would be semi-believable if a super intelligent super computer became self aware and grew 'emotions' but not a terminator. It wouldnt be designed to operate beyond the constraints of its programming, which would be limited. Its like having your calculator become sentient...its just way too far removed from its intended design. I would assume a terminator would be programmed to either destroy itself after its mission is complete, or to perhaps have a set of secondary objectives to assist the impeding skynet rise, such as; sabotaging certain infrastructure, uploading a dormant virus to sensitive government servers, or even killing additional people skynet has deemed a potential threat. As they protrayed it now, it seemed like a really bad SNL skit. "DUUUDE! what if the terminator settled down and had a family!!11!!" XXXXD

[@19822andy]

Skynet would definitely program secondary objectives for the Terminators it sent back. It wouldn't just leave them with nothing to do after completing it's primary objectives. Imagine a super intelligence not thinking that far ahead. It's ludicrous. Skynet, the mastermind of mankinds fall from domination. An intelligence that invented time travel no less being stupid enough to program their military might to start feeling bad about stuff and assist it's mortal enemy. Let's not forget that the Connor's are humanities last best hope against them. Whether or not the Terminators "knew" Skynet had failed to exist in the first place because of T2 is totally irrelevant. It would carry out the duties demanded by Skynet. You don't even have to think about it too hard to come up with this conclusion. It's not like I'm reading too deep into it. It's common sense.

[@clockworkdeity]

I'm really happy you mentioned the Sarah Connor Chronicles! I hope you return to talk about it again soon. Great show!

[@infinitegodaikinbrent8174]

Out of all the reviews my friend, yours is the best! I’m new here to your page, and was impressed with the soft character building points you brought up unlike others discussed. Nice review and thank you.😊 Now one thing I’d like to see out of the franchise we haven’t received is the actual future war that we see in clips of T1 and T2, and done in that massive laser shooting, model/ stop motion apocalyptic style. It would be awesome to see a Terminator movie by Cameron wrapped up in that near end of humanity blanket!

[@sgtpepr6260]

I can't believe that they thought Paul Rubens, ie pee Wee Herman would make a a good terminator LMAO

[@byronhorde5892]

'Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles'. I absolutely LOVED that show. To me, that is STILL the BEST Terminator 3... and yes, I am also mad that it ended in the way it did. Come to think of it, wasn't the show a victim of the Writer's Strike? That strike ended up having many casualties that it left behind.

[@SantomPh]

the Writers Strike is what caused the incredible dip in quality in hit TV shows like Game of Thrones and movie franchises like Star Wars and Trek- studios are afraid of another union action so they have to put up with cliche driven, derivative writers who went to film school together and share the same weak storytelling, just to avoid losing time.

[@ebadkhan7649]

Sarah Connor Chronicles was so underrated

[@mnightshade107]

True

[@kevinmiller9884]

I might as well bring that show back

[@bassplayer807]

Kevin Miller if people are petitioning to get Alita 2 made then why aren’t we petitioning to get season 3 of TSCC green-lit???? I mean they could bring that show back like they brought back 24 for a few seasons, I mean TSCC in my opinion could have even carried over to the Genisys timeline at some point, it only lasted two seasons, and when you compare that to ABC’s Agents of Shield that now has lasted Seven seasons, I mean they should pick it up where it left off, in the future with John and Catherine Weaver.

[@WolfPredator89]

I'd have to respectfully disagree. There are so many horrible cringe scenes in that show, like the T-1001 going full sting ray mode, Sarah's dream involving cacti and T-888's bloodbath reskinning. Not to mention wooden acting, bad dialogue and horrible CGI. I'm kinda glad they cancelled it.

[@southlondon86]

Seriously!!?? That shitty corny TV show where the Terminator disguised as a teacher reads out John Connor’s name and when he answers, replies “Perfect” and shoots!!!?? THAT CRINGE WORRHY PILE OF SHIT!!?? Brah whatever you are smoking I want some.

[@wiljohn2011]

McG’s Terminator Salvation should be remastered with a Snyder’s cut.

[@andyrihn1]

My favorite episode of Sarah Conor Chronicles explored what Cameron does at night since she doesn’t sleep. She hangs out in a college library and learns about another terminator that accidentally traveled to the 1930s started a construction company and built himself into the building where he was supposed to assassinate somebody in the 2000s

[@Shift_Salt]

I might have more attachment to the story if the actors weren't constantly changing and the plot actually progressed. 3 was the last time the series felt like it was naturally moving forward. I also didn't mind John's actor in that one. He looked enough like the original kid to suspend my disbelief. Christian Bale looked nothing like any of them though, that was a good example of "let's just put a big name celebrity in it."

[@RetryOfHealGuy]

Atleast we got to see Arnold and Linda have 1 last outing together again. They had so much charisma together on screen.

[@misspriss2482]

To be fair, it's hard to get a movie financed without a big name attached to it.

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

"Ooooooooh! Well good for yoooou! Because it's ruined now!"

[@deafbyhiphop]

Christian bale was actually initially cast as sam worthington's character

[@dannyV.XXI.]

Jaden D. , T3 John looked like a piece of shit tweaker 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ShadowKrueger]

Terminator 1 & 2 are the only ones that matter. Terminator 3 is a guilty pleasure and enjoyable watch and that ending is so beautifully haunting is where the series ends for me.

[@tommyg4842]

I agree that ending scene where it felt like there was nothing we could do to stop skynet was so dark but also that small ray of light when the dude on the radio came in and asked for Connor help starting a legend to be also T4 was great imo

[@ShadowKrueger]

Thomas Gilliam yeah the ending of it was phenomenal and made you feel really scared but also hopeful that John Conner survived and was ready to lead the humans to victory.

[@pittsburghpirate58]

No I likem all

[@stansilvestrov3106]

Dark fate should have been: judgement day happens in 1997 We see the war We see kyle sent back We see arnold send back We see john destroy skynet and dies

[@deborahminter6231]

Good idea!

[@stansilvestrov3106]

@@Lombarsi no cus the terminator left his arm... and you could have easily avoided that by saying there was some back up info that wasnt destroyed.

[@andreslaza9712]

They should have just tried to do what they did with t salvation and make a future war but as a prequel to the first one.

[@jorg3023]

Why the hell kill John Connor!?! What was the fing point of the second moviee!?!?

[@jimjam7928]

@Brian Byley You were right about the first replacement but then it just got ridiculous before ending on something correct again.

[@Hilter420]

@@jimjam7928 Well Luke is replaced by Rey and I think that he believes that Batwoman is supposed to replace Batman. ANd I think I heard some time ago that there were talks about a female James Bond.

[@jimjam7928]

@@Hilter420 Yeah but Luke Skywalker wasn't "replaced" by a woman. I don't even understand what the argument is there. Do they want a new actor playing Luke, would they prefer a male actor instead of a female actor to be playing Rey, as if it would make the character any better/worse, or do they genuinely believe that Disney were going to cast Mark Hamill in the lead for movies that ultimately are being created for children? Batwoman can't replace Batman because there's already a character called Batwoman. There's been talks about a female James Bond, but that's all it is. Talk. I could see a female Bond eventually, but give it like a hundred years when nobody even remembers what it meant to be a James Bond film. As usual, it's just a load of hot air blowing around on the internet because someone doesn't understand why these franchises are done to death in the first place.

[@30AndHatingIt]

@@jimjam7928 There's always one asshole that has to claim the sky isn't blue. Let's look at the scoresheet... Wolverine (strong white male) - DEAD. Han Solo (strong white male) - DEAD. Luke Skywalker (strong white male) - DEAD. Iron Man (strong white male) - DEAD. John Connor (eventually strong white male) - DEAD. As far as James Bond (strong white male) goes, talk my fucking ass, it's happening.

[@Hilter420]

@@jimjam7928 It isnt about replacing him with the exact same name but Rey has exactly the same role as Luke did in the OT. ANd in the new trilogy Luke should have obviously continued to play that role and pass on his knowledge and wisdom to Rey, which didnt happen and Luke died pointlessly so that Rey could shine

[@gunja556]

Man, the terminator seems more like a public service annuncement of the dangers and risks of time travel, like how you can trap yourself and others in an endless loop of robots and dipshit being sent back in time to fight eachother, killing dozens in the process for example

[@leewightman9776]

I really liked salvation cause Iv always liked the idea of a future war movie.

[@nicholaselliott8858]

loving the new content branching out into some franchises you haven’t spoken about in a long time, very refreshing. Great video as always

[@JasonTMays]

Honestly...at this point just give us “Robocop vs. Terminator” or another Terminator TV Show.

[@bassplayer807]

I think Robocop Vs. Terminator could reinvigorate this franchise, also having another TV series could help too, when people say Terminator shouldn’t be a franchise, well look at Transformers, and Alien ( we have more Alien movies than Terminator.

[@JasonTMays]

bassplayer807 facts!

[@reezlaw]

Thumbs up for the TV show, the Vs. thing sounds like gimmicky bullshit only a very stereotypical American could wish for

[@JasonTMays]

reezlaw I mean, it’s really not that different than anything post T-1 (outside of salvation) 2 robots/cyborgs in a cat and mouse game while fighting each other. I don’t see how robocop changes that formula. Gimmick or not.

[@swordguy1243]

James Cameron died in Judgement Day Tim Miller died on Twitter

[@connorwood9211]

@asian dude James Cameron directed T2 Tim Miller directed Dark Fate

[@big_lizhang]

In Mexico never were distributed True Lies and Titanic? Poor boy. LOL

[@andrewvazquez9557]

Dude, you know that Tim Miller is actually a good director and James Cameron was the one that came up with the idea of killing John Connor and force Tim Miller to accept since he was a produce, right?

[@big_lizhang]

@@andrewvazquez9557 now they all say that anothers were cause of fail. People say, everyone has an excuse as everyone has an ass hole.

[@swordguy1243]

Andrew Vazquez i know its a joke Cus hes the one that attacked the fans saying “the movie will scared the shit out of misogynists” instead of dealing with actual criticism

[@Chris-kt9yq]

When you go from a terminator appearance like Arnold and Robert to the Transgender and the Apple product salesman the interest is lost. There I summed it up

[@hedegaard8]

metalrave Agreed.

[@vipbeef2174]

"I like Terminator Dark Fa-" "Wrong" *BANG!*

[@misatoholic]

Lombarsi agreed!!

[@thanujadamithangani7265]

@@Lombarsi kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4G0iIusdr5kqLc awfulmovies.miraheze.org/wiki/Terminator:_Dark_Fate

[@thanujadamithangani7265]

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[@TheDaringJM76]

Thank you for the upload dude, love your videos

[@BugsyFoga]

The franchise was dead along time ago , this was just another nail they thought could save it .

[@angelcastaneda529]

Pretty much. Not even the return of Linda Hamilton could save it, huh?

[@Saltyaf38]

They put a nail in the board and then hit through the board. Then they snapped the board in half

[@davidmhh9977]

What fox fails to understand it that it never was a franchise. It has two solid movies. Nobody needs more than that. Fox has tried three times to create a franchise and each failed after one movie. T3 used up most of the momentum this series had, and it's been limping along ever since. What's disappointing, is the series is quickly shifting from being 2 spectacular movies, to being known a franchise that gets drug up every five years, becomes DOA

[@BeliiSpii]

Fantastic review! I just watched this and wasn’t sure what to think of it but you head the nail on the head with this.

[@thetooginator153]

Wow! I’m really impressed how you summed up the Terminator franchise so well! I was expecting the usual obvious nonsense, but you nailed the problems exactly - like how characters don’t react normally to seeing something that should be impossible. I think everything you said in this video was not only true, but took some real skill to realize. Well done!

[@micjoseph6250]

They need to show the future war with Conner and Reese. That's it.

[@deborahminter6231]

They should have done it that way!

[@andryuu_2000]

@@Lombarsi a prequel

[@dineshdiabolic5451]

@@Lombarsi Judgement Day has to happen for John Connor to exist. If they stopped the war, than there's no reason for Kyle Reece to travel back in time, which would lead to John Connor never being born. It would have caused time paradox, so its perfectly valid when they said it was only postponed. That's why I think T3 was good,but they didn't explained it in the movie,but everything after that is still shit.

[@dineshdiabolic5451]

@@Lombarsi Lol, You just used Steins gate, one of masterpiece to justify this trash movie. Steins gate is different property.

[@dineshdiabolic5451]

@@Lombarsi John Conner have one and only dad, whose name is Kyle Reece in every version of the story who didnt exist in the past. Steins Gate doesnt have an offspring from a future parent who wasnt even born yet.

[@Stalli111]

Editor's Note: Sorry for the overuse of some of the future scenes lol I just love the aesthetic too much

[@craiga.glesner424]

Stalli111 there is no such thing as too many Future War scenes when it comes to Terminator. :) Honestly, I really just want like a trilogies worth of that dark future where there is only war...

[@jackthompson391]

Dude, the reason there are not that many FX Morphing scenes in T2 has NOTHING to do with creative choices and EVERYTHING to do with MONEY. The technology was brand new back then and it took many many many hours to construct those shots. And they were hugely expensive. It fact it was Cameron himself who pioneered this computer technology in his previous film "The Abyss" in that single scene where the aliens use water to see inside the rig and morph into a human face. This is old news man, Cameron talks about it all the time.

[@CameronAllOneWord]

I liked the Sarah Connor Chronicles but imagine an open world Terminator game. I think there’s a lot of potential

[@nicespejo]

apart from the cringy forced aganda, in this movie, you're bang on with the 'horror movie dna' i didn't care or feel anything for the characters in this movie

[@hurricanet4354]

You lost me when you said you put this far above salvation must be outta you're mind

[@emmanuelsilvera8032]

Salvation was terrible man

[@joklamarbgd5303]

Damn it I loved salvation

[@goodnesswhy]

@@emmanuelsilvera8032 So was Dark Fate. Salvation at least takes place in the future war before all the laser guns and T-800s, while Dark Fate slapped us in the face by killing John Connor and replacing the original Future War with a less interesting Future War caused by Legion.

[@tomob5715]

Tony Lewis I know!! Salvation was 10 times better than this shit show

[@thechuckster40]

I liked salvation alot!

[@fluvirus]

T1 T2 John connor gets killed !! The end.

[@PoxyBear]

I stopped at T2. Perfect ending of the unknown. I did enjoy The Sarah Connor Chronicles because it delved deeper into who Sarah Connor had become.

[@betterlatethannever4529]

Even though it was made to fail, Salvation deserves more respect for being different

[@G-TV_TheOneManArmy]

They at least showed the judgement day battle

[@betterlatethannever4529]

@@G-TV_TheOneManArmy ikr? I enjoy salvation for the cool models we get to see as well

[@davidbolha]

"I need your dress, your heels & your menstrual cycle." 😎😂 😛🤓

[@tomob5715]

Such a great comment! Feminism was rammed down our throats on this one

[@Cjnw]

Feminism #TRIUMPHANT! !!!!!!!!

[@dustywaynemusic6297]

Incels

[@andryuu_2000]

It sucks mostly because they killed John, and the same lazy redundant shit since T3, with bad writing too. Sarah Connor was already the protagonist

[@sussudio9922]

YES, they sacrificed John Connor to "check his male privilege" in the name of "girl power," and in furtherance of SJW principles.

[@petrus4]

"Someone who comes from a post-apocalyptic future, probably doesn't have to bother with hygiene or politeness all that much." I know you haven't met me, but you could easily have been talking about me in that sentence.

[@GutzOverFear]

We'll just have to somehow be grateful for the first two. We were spoiled by those Masterpieces. No one can take that from us at least.

[@martinwooder4174]

There was a obvious to me touch that was missed. She can’t remember John fully. It would have been nice if Carl drew a picture of him (as he would remember fully) for her.

[@DenisRyan]

I'm glad you called out the series for ending on a cliffhanger! It was infuriating, because it was so bloody good! The cast was amazing, not just those you named, but also Brian Austin Greene and the amazing role Shirley Manson had! That was criminal to build her character so well with such a great twist and then just cancel it.

[@MyMjtaylor]

Genesis is a retelling of T1 with the twist. Recently re watched it and I still like it.

[@the_rose_garden01]

The Sarah Conner Chronicles were awesome, upsetting how it was canceled.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

Thank you for making this video I've been waiting for you to make it I've been saying the Terminator franchise has been missing something since t2 they focus too much on the action instead of the more intimate slow emotional human moments

[@captainmidnight]

You should definitely watch Sarah Connor Chronicles if you haven't!

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@captainmidnight I will definitely watch it thanks for the recommendation I appreciate. oh yeah before I go since they're going to make a sequel do you think you can make a video explain what you want to see in the sequel similar to your PS4 Spider-Man video

[@leejohnstone3051]

T2 wasn't all CGI. Practical effects was used as well. Which is why the special effects looks amazing even today and why they won a Oscar

[@Ironheart73]

You are making a good point about the suspense element. Let me also add that the reason why the first two were suspenseful was partley because we are not shown too much into the future. It is somewhat of a mystery. We only see bits of it through very short flashbacks just enough to make us feel that we are really fucked. Like Hitchcock said, you the audience do not really fear seeing the bomb. You fear it more when you know its somewhere out there and anytime it can go off. The rest that followed after T3(At least that part it got right) kinda killed the suspense because now we see everything. In T2 we are invested now in the protagonists and we want them to succeed knowing that the future can be changed

[@xmilchellexdelarosa3042]

Terminator 1 = A terminator was sent to kill Sarah Connor because her soon to be born son will the future leader of humanity against the machine. So John Connor himself send his father Kyle Reese to protect his mother from the first terminator. Terminator 2 = A terminator was sent to kill John Connor but another terminator was also sent ( by John Connor ) to protect him from the terminator who wants to kill him. Terminator 3 = A terminator was sent to kill John and his future wife but at the same time another was terminator to protect them Terminator 4 = Ok fine different story Terminator 5 = Skynet lost so they sent a terminator to the past to kill Sarah so John Connor send Kyle Reese to protect his mother. What a STORY!!

[@Victory987]

The Terminator bio flesh regenerater wasn't as disappointing as this.

[@macwilson100]

Ive been waiting on this

[@Coastincolt]

I don't think Robert Patrick gets near enough credit for his performance. That was the secret ingredient that made T2 work. He studied with a movement coach to be able to fight without changing his expression; not an easy thing to do. He was also able to move in a believably machine-like fashion, which added considerably to the overall creepiness of the character. Plus, he could run like an SOB! On the first take of the chase with Edward Furlong on the motorcycle, he reportedly caught up with him! Now that's impressive!

[@brettcooper3893]

Glad to say TSCC is available on Google Play, and I have both seasons, and yes, their use of "When The Man Comes Around" in the finale of season one was genius. I always felt that they had an inkling that they wouldn't be back for a third season, because they tied up enough loose ends to where you could draw your own conclusion but also left enough meat on the bone in case there would be more episodes. In fact, some intrepid fans have written their own fanfic conclusions to the series. I was actually just talking about this series yesterday with a co-worker because the first episode filmed at the middle school her brother went to WHEN he was going there in Albuquerque.

[@stormqueen29]

Yea, when I saw an ad for this movie that said "The best Terminator since T2" and my first thought was "That ain't saying much." Rise of The Machines was just a waste of time, I was deeply disappointed in that movie. Salvation I actually enjoyed, heresy I know. I really enjoyed the Sarah Connor Chronicles. It delved into things the movies didn't have time to develop. And Cameron was really engaging as well as intriguing as a Terminator. Genesis I refused to even dignify by watching it, even the trailers looked HORRIBLE. Granted I admit I had some vestige of hope for Dark Fate; but really, much like Predator, they just seemed and still seem to miss the point of the Characters and what made the first two films as great as they were. Simply attaching a well known name to a film, or even bringing back well loved characters, is no guarantee of success. Kind of a pity to be honest.

[@natsmith303]

Just wanna say thank you for giving TSCC the credit it deserves.

[@peterhuang4427]

That cliff hanger! I remember signing an online petition to bring the sarah connor chronicles back haha.