Cars Are So Expensive, It's Offensive!

[@albonfilms]

I got served an ad yesterday for a "HOT DEAL" on a used MY19 Corolla Hatchback. It was listed for $28k. MSRP 4 years ago was $24k. After I cleaned up the vomit on my keyboard, I went on AutoTempest and bought a Dodge Nitro thanks to Jack and Mark. Now I'm cruising in style and my ex-wife desperately wants me back. Thanks Savagegeese.

[@epicon6]

You have a stomach problem. You should get it checked. And why did you aim at your keyboard?

[@H8HotWeather]

😂😂😂

[@nephilymbass1]

😂

[@chiemekaa]

Y'all are killing me! Lmao.

[@FriedPlacentaBurger]

That Flame Blue is a premium bro. GR rolla is gonna be MY30.

[@KirkKreifels]

Keeping your current car running has never been more important! Thanks for addressing this issue guys

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

looks like i will need to keep my 96 miata going for a little longer

[@07wrxtr1]

I can live with my "boring" and "outdated" POS 370z... Although I fantasize on a daily basis of owning an SUV, JUST to "Fit in".

[@jamesmedina2062]

@@07wrxtr1 The owner of that purple Lamborghini does NOT fantasize about fitting in!! SUV's provide insulation and especially lately, people want a clear escape from reality... you get far away from the potholed streets in a SUV and while relaxing, you get propped up a foot or two higher off the ground which does wonders for visibility.

[@Cruiser203]

Hello Kirk, good to see two of my favourite car channels in the same place :)

[@mightbesherwood1313]

Gave me some serious motivation to touch-up my 2011 CR-Z. The Mazda 3 I'd like to buy is currently offered at new-MSRP for a 3 year old, 30k mile car.

[@counselingpsychology]

I love how these guys are so true to their own personality. No fake enthusiasm. Just two guys that see life through dark humor and deadpan sarcasm.

[@batialexis9339]

@Sohc_Vtec yep, was gonna say that quality is on top, cheers to these guys.

[@batialexis9339]

@@db9071 there is more adds and cringy jokes than actual content

[@hydrobuu]

Better than Donuts.

[@slaw_possum4087]

True, and I also appreciate that. But sometimes I wonder if these guys even like cars haha, their reviews are overwhelmingly negative. Not trying to be comparative, because everyone deserves to have their own style, but compare it to someone like Doug who you can tell gets truly excited by seeing all the new features in cars, whereas these guys have a tendency to see the worst in it and it comes across very negative

[@Slowcarfastbeans]

Cue the VV post-gas pedal stab fauxfter.

[@nodak81]

"People want an experience when they buy a car." -- Yeah, the experience of not having to go to a dealer.

[@cwx8]

Amazing that this dynamic is still a thing in 2022.

[@yzrippin]

Actually the real problem here is that we have convinced people who cannot afford Vehicles they should be in them and that's where financing comes into play. And thats the stealership. You enjoy checking out the cabins of new cars and looking at the perfect gloss in the showroom you know you like that coffee in that donut but you hate is the sales jackass because you know he's trying to say oversell you and all he wants is your signature so he makes Commission

[@_zigzak]

Felt cute, might throw my 280,000 mile chevy obs on craigslist later for $40,000, idk.

[@beniaminsg]

Haahhaha

[@gregoryking4796]

Why not

[@AyAy008]

Doug DeMuro: "This car is pretty reasonably priced. It's around $46,000 with the touring package".

[@CrispyGFX]

Dough DeMuro: "I really wish they'd streamline the interior and remove all the buttons and add a bigger screen! This all looks so old-fashioned and out of touch."

[@DoctorSkillz]

Drug DeMuro: “I paid $48K for an old SUV to appear austere on a vacation island known for affluence.”

[@tyty0071]

Doug is a joke.

[@henrik1743]

@@CrispyGFX Doug is a complete tool

[@chrizles]

@Qefna Ija hey qefna what are your feelings towards doug?

[@marekd.7350]

When MSRP is a good deal, you know times are fucked.

[@AkioWasRight]

The no-haggle model is what Tesla people wanted. They shouldn't be mad about this.

[@marekd.7350]

STFU and take what I give you seems standard nowadays.

[@TH3G0ODGUY]

Only because the auto manufacturers were giving massive volume kickbacks. Now they aren’t doing that, and so dealers are having to mark up their cars. The problem is that the manufacturer and the dealer have been built entirely around the volume pricing strategy to the point where things like invoice were a joke. I helped a friend by a Mazda 3 before the pandemic and invoice was 800 bucks less than MSRP. That’s like a 2 percent margin. That’s grocery store level margin. It’s bullshit, there is no way to cover overhead with only an 800 dollar margin. Selling at invoice otd was the biggest consumer trick in the world. It was just a way of convincing customers they were getting a good deal, while the manufacturer handed out thousands per vehicle of kickbacks at the end of the year that the customer never knew or cared about, while the dealership could pretend that they weren’t making any money. Fast forward to today and those invoices are still a joke in terms of margin. Except the kickbacks aren’t flowing like they used to, which means now you have to make money on the car to keep the dealership lights on. Well asking MSRP isn’t going to do it, you can’t make 800 bucks on the only 3 Mazda 3s you will get for the next month, not when keeping the dealership open costs 20k a day. So you put a 5k markup on it and now have a 5800 dollar front end, 20 percent margin just like manufacturers used to give to dealers before everything turned into a shell game.

[@MiguelGonzalez-ok9jt]

For real!

[@strebrr]

I ordered a new ND2 Miata with 16% price reduction 2 weeks ago (Germany). Didn't know this would be possible in this crazy times ❤

[@ericcampbell85]

You guys are just showing how I spend 90% of my free time.

[@K1ngfunK]

I want to direct link to this comment just to share with all of my friends who have to deal with all of the links I send them every single day.

[@Me-eb3wv]

@@K1ngfunKnice

[@humphreyartdude8718]

Glad to see this issue being talked about, car prices are crazy right now

[@Raedz_media]

Fr like in my country Oman the ford bronco wildtrak is reaching 80k rn

[@henrik1743]

Absolutely nuts, and used car prices are better now than 1-2 years ago, even in sweden.

[@MattMatt77]

Wasn't really talked about much other than the title of the video

[@joem1382]

@@MattMatt77 you right. The shit was not talked about

[@braetonwilson4296]

Car prizes are crazy and the smartest thing to do is not buy or lease a car for the next 2-3 years. Wait it out, don't be foolish and overpay.

[@wh7787]

How that Murano cross cab got approved is still one of the greatest untold stories in the car industry. I'm guessing it was a joke that went way too far.

[@asamyers4572]

If I remember correctly, I think it was Carlos Ghosn’s (ex-ceo of Nissan) wife who wanted a convertible Murano

[@Dano-MX5]

It made as much sense as if Toyota came out with a TRD Pro Prius with crawl control…..

[@chiemekaa]

Just wait until you see one decked out in VS Pink and rolling on 26's.

[@asamyers4572]

@@bryangillis1839 Actually, Land Rover looked at the Murano and were like "Mmmm. I'd like some of that"

[@chrisjmiller6]

@Chris Miller yes, he did

[@dougshugarts3105]

I'd like to see a list of auto dealers who got pandemic assistance money and are now gouging their customers.

[@WoolfJ35]

We might get a new ocean formed from all the sweat those guys would produce if that list was made lol

[@rezhaadriantanuharja3389]

Perfect life check list: - insane mark up for cars - uncomfortable and unsafe public transport

[@christopherjohnston6343]

Road design that makes cycling suicidal

[@lockhart1895]

@@christopherjohnston6343 😂😭 worse thing is a few kids died in my city because of confusing road design last summer

[@Dowlphin]

And the causation is not even directly from the latter to the former. It's just a general mess. The chickens finally coming home to roast.

[@nickh5049]

There has never been a worse time in automotive history to be in the market, new or used.

[@Mecharuva]

I was on Autotempest a couple weeks back looking at Pontiac Solstices. I saw a Solstice listed for $70,000 and thought “what on earth is wrong with this dealer…” …until I pulled up the listing. It had a 7.0 liter Chevy V8 from a Corvette ZL1… with a turbo instead of a supercharger. In fact it was the entire Corvette drivetrain basically hot glued into the guts of a Solstice. I don’t care how good the fabricators were on that car, that thing will gladly kill you. Depress the accelerator pedal to immediately go commit aliven’t.

[@savagegeese]

Thats crazy im sure the car is ready to sheer in half.

[@chiemekaa]

So basically a C6 Z06 with a Solstice shell attached to it.

[@Turshin]

There's so much wrong with your message. No such thing as a ZL1 Corvette. ZL1 are Camaros. The only supercharged Corvettes were C6 ZR1, C7 Z06, C7 ZR1. None of them had 7.0 liters. The C6 Z06 and the last Camaro Z28 had the 7.0 liter and they were naturally aspirated cars. 70 grand is probably what it took to for all the mods to that solstice.

[@benda18]

Brand new sentence

[@MrCarGuy]

They were actually planning for the Solstice/Sky to have an LS3 at one point so the thing can probably take it. Their manual transmissions (Aisin I think) can handle torque well too and are used for swaps in other cars. You're clearly talking about an LS7, though

[@nickscapellato8248]

I'm probably the hardest core armchair car guy out there - I finally feel like I have enough money to buy a responsible ≤$30k car but I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger on something I don't need when my beat up paid off Escape is suiting me just fine. The constant looking is torture though.

[@sprague49]

Substitute Frontier for Escape and you just described me to a "T". LOL

[@plaid_cloud]

No kidding I'm the same way. I have a whole folder of apps for looking at cars. But I don't drive anywhere. I've put less than 1500 miles on my vehicle in the last 2 years. I really just want to sell it because the market is insane, but then I'd have to go through the hassle of finding something else.

[@braetonwilson4296]

I'm a car salesman and my advice is: Don't buy or lease a car for the next 2-3 years. If you have to buy a car, buy a new car for MSRP.

[@nickscapellato8248]

@@braetonwilson4296 there are some honest dealers around me that are actually selling at MSRP which is nice but I still can't bring myself to take on a new car

[@Jowurel]

Tell me about it. I've wanted a C5 Corvette for the longest time. Now that I can afford one, I can't bring myself to pull the trigger. Found one in a great configuration I like, but they're asking 20k for it; I find myself unwilling to spend that money at the moment given the economic uncertainty and supply issues if it ever requires major repairs.

[@damnmillennials3913]

Many dealers post cars at the MSRP on these car sales websites but when you call them or show up then they tell the customer about dealer markup. It’s scummy as hell and wastes research time

[@j.frankparnell3087]

Many jurisdictions have consumer laws outlawing this very thing. If this is legal in your area you should move.

[@fonzdj]

Yup happened to me too. Saw a Supra at MSRP online and thought awesome I’ll go check it out. When I get there, it’s marked up 3K.

[@BrianGon89]

they'll also get around it by using dealer add-on $1000 weather mats as the markup on the inventory.

[@benjones621]

With dealers selling new cars well over MSRP, due to current circumstances, the problem is getting worse. Part of the reason I bought my Veloster is because I was able to get it for 18k. Seeing the new Civic SI sell for 5-10k over sticker is ridiculous.

[@Tool0GT92]

I got lucky, got my Si new a year ago for a little under MSRP, right after that all the new ones were gone and used ones were going for more than MSRP of a new one.

[@omaralkayal7598]

@@Tool0GT92 Wow, that means you can actually cash in on you’re Civic SI

[@DanUtley]

I got a brand new 2020 GTI for $26k (base model w/ manual, +tax and fees) in October 2020, and thank God I did when I did. This current insanity is… well… insane. The Civic Si simply isn’t worth $5-10k over sticker. No car is.

[@k-peezy2723]

Seeing the sticker being as high as it is on the Civic Si is insane enough already for me. But to then toss another 20-30% on top?!

[@grantapalooza998]

A used Civic so from 4 years ago is like 26k like wtf

[@Argedis]

Scotty Kilmer has said the beauty of beaters is you can own multiple, for example you want a truck? get a beater When the paint is fading or has dings and scratches is when you can get them dirt cheap. Real enthusiasts will look past superficial flaws and appreciate the car/truck and DIY any maintenance or repairs. I snagged a 01' Tacoma for $3k, has fading paint but runs like a clock. Changed all the fluids, spark plugs, tires, brakes and runs like new. Now I have a sporty sedan & a truck to choose from.

[@wiegraf9009]

Even a beater Miata is probably impossibly expensive right now...

[@bassandtrebleclef]

The more this message is shared, the more pressure on retail prices gets cranked. Stupidly priced cars need to sit on lots while the tires develop flat spots. Let them take the hit as buyers pass on this nonsense.

[@biggranny000]

My first car was $500, it lasted 4 years and could of gone longer but the repairs were stressing me out, regardless still much cheaper than a monthly payment. It was a 06 Taurus I bought from my grandma, always got made fun of for driving it. Now I currently own a 2020 Elantra GT N-line DCT, I luckily got it for around 20k (5k below MSRP) before the market went to crap. As much as my new car is "cheap" considering the average is 40k I still feel like a slave to a car loan even though my payment isn't all that much. Insurance is also crazy high even though I have a perfect record, gotta love Michigan. Also many of these expensive cars require expensive and frequent repairs, the cheaper cars for the most part are significantly more reliable and simple to work on, and you don't have to worry about a bunch of electronics that will likely break anyway. Also if my Hyundai was unreliable I don't really care because it has a 10yr/100k mi power train warranty anyways, even though I know the brand has a bad reputation.

[@themockalove]

Your hyundai will be a good reliable car for a long time, I'm sure of it. Hyundai and Kia make some excellent cars these days

[@Derek8487]

I'm still driving a 03 Corolla , f*** car loans.

[@theyweredeadwhenigotthere1391]

Thats why you keep your beaters... I have 05 taurus i bought for 200 dollars and has 158k miles trouble free miles. Have had her for 5 years now. And I have my r1 and abarth for when I want to have fun. 2013 Abarth was dirt cheap before this plandemic and shes been very reliable.. I'll run my vehicles to the ground which will take time because i maintain them. Im glad my grandpa tought me to fix things instead of just throwing out a decent car for a shiny like new one lol cheers!

[@sporeranier]

@@Derek8487 00 Camry with almost 400k

[@OfMiceAndMeh]

I got an 01 Taurus in high school for around $1,000, and everyone told me it was junk and wouldn't last. It's now got over 200k miles on it and my parents happily use it as a second car, and loan it out to anyone who needs wheels. Best 1k I ever spent. Though now I own a 2018 Fusion Sport I got for only $19k lightly used. Definitely much faster than the Taurus!

[@BigAnt1969]

Recently got a sweet deal on a 2001 Pontiac Aztec with only 486,000 miles for $19,800 with 2 free oil changes thrown in.

[@autocrossaholic]

The vehicross is actually something I’d pay 9k for and not be clinically depressed paying it off. The rest, just wow.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

Theres a fuck ton of them in the Denver metro. And they all seem to be in decent to really good condition.

[@Shinigamix07]

I hope more people talk about this. Us car enthusiasts are struggling rn

[@tabryis]

It's satire. They're laughing at you.

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

And that would do what? Make those prices cheaper? Or maybe printing money does have a cost?

[@Shinigamix07]

I know it’s satire lol, doesn’t mean the market isn’t fucked still.

[@redwhite_040]

it's worldwide thing. inflation is worldwide

[@jonesy66691]

I have been looking at a well optioned abarth 595 in the UK, direct conversion to USD is $34,000 for what is essentially a Fiat 500. My conspiracy theory is they are trying to make electric cars seem more affordable by inflating the price of ICE cars.

[@valdius85]

"they" are trying to build it back better. Read the World Economic Forum.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

I think they are trying to do that, but also price most average citizens out of cars in general. I mean Al Gore and other climate freaks have said they want the average citizen out of their personal cars and on public transport. Cars I think are about to become the thing of only the wealthy once again in the next decade or so. And I think Vacations are about to become the same as well. Especially as the Dollar and economics of the world degrade and fail. Because EVs just dont seem to be better than ICE cars, they only seem to be useful if you stay in your metro or town. And maybe on an interstate route where everyone travels between cities.

[@valdius85]

@@joshuakhaos4451 It's possible to do long distance drives in EVs but the issue I see is minerals for the batteries are a limited resource. So SUVs with huge batteries available for everyone might not be possible.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

It isn’t a conspiracy it’s blatantly obvious

[@zachg9065]

There is absolutely no way I am paying anything above MSRP for a car.

[@WKaliberr]

no way

[@davidbarfield3489]

A VW dealer told me $4000 over MSRP. I immediately walked out.

[@TheCobruhAlienat0r]

I got bored one day and looked at what cars the dealer I had bought my most recent car from had and they had a CPO 2019 Camry with 40k miles listed for $4k OVER original MSRP. Freaking nuts!

[@freddyp4189]

There's no way I'm paying msrp

[@yzrippin]

Bahahahahah its funny cause if your not paying 4k under msrp youre getting bent.

[@alfaalex101]

Been looking for a reasonable new car for months in the 20-30k USD range. After delays and supply issues and markups I settled for a 2002 Toyota Solara with a V6 with 140,000 miles on it for 4K. It’s rattled canned but it works and it’s dependable.

[@brayancrespo1517]

I have 02 solara 2.4l, and have been looking for another one with less miles since mine has 334k at this point. Easy to work on, reliable af, rides smooth

[@FabienTeulieres93]

Well done. These early 2000’s Solara’s were excellent. Especially with the V6.

[@747-pilot]

That’s the SMARTEST thing you could have done, for the moment!! Yes, you’re going to “overpay” for whatever you buy, but it’s all relative. Better to overpay $1000 for “beater” than overpay $15,000 for something better and newer!! Sit tight. This insanity shall pass too. It may take a couple of year, but who cares. These whackos who paid these absurd prices will be in for some SERIOUS reckoning, when they are SERIOUSLY underwater in 2 or 3 years time!!

[@alfaalex101]

@@747-pilot thank you appreciate it …

[@petequinones3454]

Look at truck prices 15yrs ago, people have lost their minds paying $75k+ for them. This is offensive.

[@mikegrande2560]

Truck prices are absolutely insane

[@devn3813]

@@mikegrande2560 yeah $55,000 for a base used truck it’s just absurd

[@henrik1743]

The office : Boy have you lost your mind because I will help you find it is a quote i think works for most modern car "buyers"

[@AircraftMechanic-AP]

Agree. There's ding dongs out there paying those prices though.

[@thetechlibrarian]

Trucks are insane. 2012 tundra platinum 140k miles 40k like you could of bought that truck new and drove it for 10 years and got almost all your money back

[@SalemTechsperts]

I've never been so happy to see a channel get sponsored. And Autotempest is genuinely good at finding cars.

[@alexandermiller3228]

As someone who’s just 23 and probably one of the youngest viewers of this channel, I always look forward to this kind of content yet feel sad every time it has to be brought up.

[@marshalld5574]

23 gang 👬

[@romero1337]

You're not alone on that, the car market is insane with prices and its unaffordable in this pandemic world to even think of purchasing a vehicle for a "decent" price, used or new.

[@rocketkinger2506]

Youngest on this channel pshhsss That thought never crossed my mind

[@KubuśpuchatekTVN]

43 and suspended driving license for DUI

[@danield8528]

@@KubuśpuchatekTVN Okay that’s different tho

[@dustin9258]

It’s crazy how the tables have turned. Imagine being happy to pay sticker price 3 years ago lol.

[@tamwoof]

You guys have to do this more often. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. Keep up the good work!

[@hugdotnet]

Wait, this was satire? I was about the pull the trigger on that Murano CrossCabriolet...

[@justinmaccreery2490]

@@hugdotnet 😂

[@ScottPricePSU]

Amen! It's insane, there literally isn't a new car available under $22K-ish. I don't need, nor do most people need the vast majority of the cars that are available today (sheer size and ridiculous options). I make more than I did, but I still can't swallow the prices. I don't know how someone that needs a car replacement and makes less can afford to purchase one and still put food on the table.

[@justinmckeown9029]

Historically long loan terms. Some people buy beyond their budget and just drag it out for 72, 84, whatever, months. I’m with you, though. New car prices are out of control, but so is the crap being crammed in. I’m good with buying an older car for cheaper and can actually work on.

[@GG-wj9in]

Real

[@jizzyjake6783]

You can't drive food

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

@@justinmckeown9029 yeah im with you. older cars and even two wheeled stuff like scooters is where i am at today

[@justinmckeown9029]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 late 90’s to mid 2000’s were the golden years. Same for the 2 wheeled world, as well. I keep thinking I want a new bike, but all the new tech that makes me less in charge makes it a no-go.

[@austynfield7475]

We need more videos like this. The normal videos are still best in the business but you two sitting down and making pure comedic video is pure enjoyment.

[@COMMANDERFOX31]

Bought a new 2020 Camry right before this mess started. Today, in 2022, the resale value of this car is nearly equivalent to the value I bought it for if not higher in some places. This is ridiculous.

[@BearingPhMotoring]

How you guys keep a straight face is beyond me. This is hilarious.

[@Krushe]

MSRP may be a good price now but after the inevitable market correction it will only take 1 dealer to start offering something better and others will follow. Just wait it out if you can.

[@norwegianblue2017]

I keep checking on how much the Chevy SS is going for on Autotrader. It was new for like $45k to $50k. Now you can find 2014-2015 used models that go for....$45k to $50k.

[@2flatfour380]

Same. SS, M2s, all going for sticker/near sticker with 5-7 years on them.

[@VersanGetryx]

to be fair, this slept-on enthusiast car was already holding its value better than many cars even pre-supply chain issues, once word got out about their value proposition and fun power.

[@ekscalybur]

Chevy SS's were NEVER going to dip much below that price.

[@mct8888]

Got my 2022 Tacoma from St. Charles Toyota, it was an amazing experience! Such a great, honest dealer.

[@SalemTechsperts]

My G35x sedan is holding me down through this nonsense market. Cheap power, cheap repairs, upgraded infotainment. Can't ask for more for the price. Repair shops like mine are overwhelmed with people repairing their old stuff, whether it's cars, phones, or computers. Keep up the great videos guys.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

The wait times for getting my 09 Mustang GT fixed for little things is crazy. it took me 2 months longer than I was told it would to get my car in to have its Clutch replaced. All because techs were busy or constantly going on vacations.

[@SalemTechsperts]

@@joshuakhaos4451 Sounds like the dealership isn't hiring enough techs

[@skip741x3]

That was hilarious guys! love the sarcasm and dry humor! My gf's car is a 2003 focus with 335,000 and my one and only car for the last 28yrs is a 1994 probe gt..I still enjoy driving both of these daily. I also enjoy not having had a car payment in decades..new car prices are just nuts

[@gwcrispi]

I wish somebody was maintaining a database of dealers that sold at MSRP with zero market adjustment and NO bullshit add-on packages that are pure profit. I need a Hyundai dealer in IN, MI, OH, IL, KY like this right now!

[@aussie2uGA]

The normal sites that would host that list don’t allow it. It’s like a list of companies that were non-vaccinated friendly and would not enforce government mandates. They took the list down immediately.

[@briandbaker218]

This would be worthwhile today AND in the future so people can have a better idea of which dealers deserve their loyalty in a more competitive market.

[@hpdefun6647]

D'Arcy in Joliet IL is charging MSRP

[@ristekostadinov2820]

@@aussie2uGA there was a list/map (haven't checked if it still exist) on the internet with McDonalds restaurants locations where the ice cream machine works and where doesn't work. If someone had the will, he/she will do the same.

[@RAZGR1Z]

The various car forums do this already.

[@yitznewton]

Unbelievably, I watched this yesterday, and then saw a Tracker ZR2 on the road this morning. You guys have strange powers

[@matts4450]

Thank you so much for this video, because SO many automotive journalists/youtubers don't ever focus on the affordable side of the car spectrum

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

lol, they where joking in this one. they basically doing the opposite by looking at bad cars and showing how much they where worth

[@matts4450]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 oh i know but i think they were making the joke about this through poking fun at it. Mark's a practical guy and quite smart

[@paisis123]

When the car costs MORE then the MEDIAN INCOME of 31,133 (2019), then we need to see that prices are OUT of control!

[@Snicker60515]

Tours like these are why I'm still so ecstatic I have a perfectly running 2010 Honda Fit Sport with a proper manual transmission. Yeah it needs paint, but as long as it still only needs $30 to fill up and it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, I don't need to be bent over by some dealer looking for a new car. Especially since mine still only has 85k miles on it!

[@johnpenwell6402]

It blows my mind that my 2 year old Mustang with 25k on the clock is still worth what I paid for it new. This market is wild, but there are dealers out there selling fun new cars for sticker without the crazy markup. What I’ve noticed is you need to be fairly removed from a larger metro area.

[@404nobrakes]

It's not. The dollar isn't nearly worth what it was 2 years ago.

[@Dowlphin]

Back then if I had been free to spend twice the money for my first car, it would still be worth roughly new price now. But even to this day I receive harsh backlash for saving money through large early investments. Instead my half as expensive first car became twice as expensive in investments with no resale value worth mentioning if I was even interested in ever selling it.

[@TheCobruhAlienat0r]

@BronzeXV70 I bought a CPO 2017 Camry last year in March for $18,999. It's now worth $24.5k. Never heard of a normal commuter car gaining value after driving it off the lot.

[@P4SDetails]

I agree gents. Especially with any adjustments they throw on for inflation at dealerships on new. I had a Mazda 3 that sold almost instantly for quite a bit more than it was worth. I listed it for lower than others were because I felt horrible.

[@artfuldodger4385]

I’m glad you touched on this you a real one for this one thanks

[@ExcaIan]

Unrelated: Please give poor Jack a more comfortable chair! Thanks as always for the content!

[@savagegeese]

There is a chair shortage.

[@dielaughing73]

@@savagegeese people are buying used chairs for more than the price of a new chair!

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

Not just a chair shortage but also an air shortage. My low tire pressure sensor went off the other day so I pulled into my local gas station that still has an air compressor and I find out they are out of air!

[@daveh2612]

@@PianoBlackTrimRep. the air ships from China are tied up at the port

[@dtsect]

Today, a dealership wanted to charge me $899 Doc Fee, $999 PDSI Fee, $399 Nitrogen fill and a $299 Vin Etching Fee. I decided to not shop for a car and wake up an hour early and ride my bicycle to work.

[@okniceguy]

My 2002 vehicle still going strong. 💪🏽 Fuck all these new cars that last 5 years, and cost premium for close to base prices.

[@l00tur]

THANK GOODNESS for Ford to recognize that the Maverick taps into the under 20k segment and provides an AFFORDABLE vehicle for those who need to tow a family, weekend trips to HD/Lowes/Menards, dump runs, and get great gas mileage. Additionally Ford is the ONLY manufacturer pushing back on dealers regarding those who are price gouging for the Maverick and have a webpage to report dealers who are doing so.

[@FunkatronicDingus]

Car prices won't be going down anytime soon, even after shortages end after so many dealerships see what they can get away with. We've reached the point where MSRP out the door price is considered a good deal. Remember that King of The Hill episode where Hank gets duped into paying sticker price and not a penny more for a Chrysler Sebring? That's pretty much the dream now, minus it being a Chrysler commuter. Last autumn I tried to buy a Mazda 3 Turbo that had been sitting in the showroom long enough for dust and cobwebs to develop in the rims. They wanted to upcharge me $5000 on top of all of the other fees. I was able to negotiate it down to 2500 over MSRP walking price but even that was ridiculous, so I left. I ghosted their calls and the car was in their inventory until Christmas week.

[@mattspeer01]

Yep, just bought my wife a new Hyundai Palisade Calligraphy and paid sticker for it at a nearby out-of-state dealer and felt good about it because all the local stealerships had $7K-10K markups they wouldn’t budge on. Never paid MSRP for a car before and have always prided myself on getting good deals on cars in the past. Not in this market, though.

[@sarahdell4042]

The amount of people buying, who can barely afford to do so is staggering. High rates, long terms, and missing one pay check away from it all to crash.

[@bigcjm]

It takes just a couple of dealer who want to move inventory for the race to normalism begin. Because not all dealers are eating good.

[@tranc3porter]

The Genesis 5.0 didn't seem too outrageously priced. Seems like a lot of car for under 15k Everything else was pretty ridiculous.

[@OlJackBurton]

It's also a lot newer than most of the other cars including those pieces of junk, Crossfire, Lucerne and Catera. The R-Spec was the fully loaded version and as a 2012, is barely out of warranty. It was around $55k brand new and one of the more reliable cars you could buy. Plus 429 hp, Lexicon stereo, if it was in good condition isn't a bad deal...

[@joshuakhaos4451]

I've watched 2500-3k dollar Camry's turn into 5-6k cars over the last year. Its disgusting what people think they can get out of old cars. Ironically, Stuff like Grand marquis and town cars barely went up lol. So I've decided to look at trying to find one of those for a new, cheap daily.

[@666cemetaryslut]

@@joshuakhaos4451 I'd also consider an older Avalon. Basically a Camry but bigger and better in every way and it doesn't carry the Toyota tax.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

@@666cemetaryslut Ive looked at them and would like one. But most that I see are like 300k miles, very clearly worn out and now too much for what I'd be getting.

[@cesarcazares6728]

It’s affecting the used market as well and now I feel everyone uses it as an excuse to Jack up their prices, it has honestly taken the fun out of it

[@abehartzler93]

A local dealer just listed an '05 Impala for $10k. I nearly vomited

[@andromeda9340]

Insanity!

[@reed9627]

Congratulations on getting the 2022 GR86 at MSRP. I'm a Toyota employee, I tried buying one and it was either....get your discount plus 2k mark up or find a dealer that didn't ask for the mark up but didn't honor my discount plus $1000 dealer add on package (non negotiable. )

[@georgetown8986]

In this unbelievably tumultuous economy, the average American is so deeply in debt with cars, houses, kids, and just day to day expenses, they will never be out of debt. The only thing that is not experiencing inflation are salaries for the vast majority of jobs.

[@mikewazowski7613]

I have to say, just bought a new Sante Fe, loaded with just about everything you can get. It had a sticker price of $43,000, with tax tag and title it put the car at $46,000 out the door. Went to the True Car site and it listed the car going for about $40,000 at other local dealerships, the dealership only had a $500 rebate on the vehicle. But after showing the sales rep the True Car price, plus the $500 rebate, we got the car for $39,500. We were fortunate to have a trade in and cash to put down which in total equaled a $20,000 down payment. So got the car for $19,500 and it put our payments at about $315 a month.

[@BugOnAChip]

Is that a good deal? Sounds like a nightmare

[@riseabove3082]

Great vehicle but, 20k down on a car plus payments sounds like a bad investment to me.

[@NoName-gv6nm]

@@BugOnAChip it's a pretty bad deal lol

[@sunnyvalentino]

I had a second car that I haven't been using since I work from home these days. 2015 Mustang GT, original owner, amazing reliable and fast car. Just sold it for 20% less than what I paid for it. 7 years later. Crazy market

[@gretchenlittle6817]

Oh man, that Dodge Nitro hit me right in the joy buzzer! Styling, performance, durability -- what's not to love? My head says Nubira, but my heart says Nitro!

[@richard343s]

$900 PT Cruiser. Can you believe it guys? It ran when parked. Wohoo! I'm so happy about this information!

[@andrewb325]

I’ve been waiting two months for an MSRP Civic Si. As of now it’s going to be late February before delivery. We are living in bizarro world. Mark’s reaction when they pulled up the Dodge Nitro was priceless. “Look how good it looks” LOL

[@arabianknight49]

Just bought a 22 4runner TRD pro at sticker. The only car I’d ever pay sticker for considering the pro has always sold for sticker even before this shortage and crazy market. I also have instant equity because of what these are going for used. You just have to look around. Even be willing to look out of state. You can still get a good deal in 2022 you just have to be willing to put in the time

[@yeeegor]

Absolutely hilarious, would love to see more of you and Jack exploring luxuries of the First World. 10 out of 10, will subscribe.

[@MECUXD]

Have a dealer friend. The layout he had to make for a new "branded" dealership is astronomical. Yes, $70k pickup trucks are ridiculous, and yes if you buy new you are subsidizing the fancy dealership and the staff, but some of the blame here is also on the automakers themselves for driving up costs for that fancy steel and glass showroom with couches. Would love to see a video on that.

[@2004cyrus]

Absolutely

[@alexzorkin9470]

Jack, you should understand, you're super lucky to get a car after 3-4months of waiting. In other markets, the picture is different. You order a vehicle without mark-up, you wait 6 months - no call, 12 months - no call. And when your car finally arrives, dealer says Oh you have to pay todays spot price. Which is thousands of dollars more. And you have already paid them full price a year prior. In the mean time, they've been selling cars just like yours everyday. The stock is there. And only when you show up with your lawyer and a tv crew, the dealer says: Oh shit, your car is actually right here! You didn't get the memo. +cars in USA are waaaay cheaper. You can buy a Navigator BL LVB for 100k$, can't you? Here, where I live 100k$ is BASE. And BL LVB will be +200k$

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

Yeah, the car dealerships around me have been basically empty lots for the better part of a year.

[@thequesomanishere]

I had to wait 3 months for a coolant pipe

[@RomanticPopPunk]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 they hide their cars in another lot.

[@benjaminkessler8169]

Where do you live! I ordered a Hilux to my spec and yes I have to wir but it’s fine. Get 15% off list too. There is no shortage on most cars. All other cars are artificially hyped and have a planed shortage

[@FXIIBeaver]

@@RomanticPopPunk no they don’t.

[@fkporsche1]

The title is so true. Cars are so expensive, it’s offensive. I called my Porsche dealership where I bought a GT4. GT3 is 130k over MSRP! So how about a GTS?!! 30k over MSRP RAV4 prime is $9k over MSRP and there is a queue for a RAV4 Best to keep what I have and keep it.

[@MrCarGuy]

Those Lucernes were actually an incredible value before SHTF. Very low mileage units were going for $5-7k

[@jerecostanza2984]

This should become a regular segment...I was highly entertained!

[@tyler9703]

Whats even more offensive than dealer markups is how much they will absolutely screw you if you try to trade in. I've got an E90 328i that I was going to trade for a Miata a little while back. The Mazda was listed for 7,500 dollars, which worked out to me losing a couple grand in value but I didn't feel like trying to sell my car privately so I didn't care. Sales guy said an even swap was possible, and we got all the way to signing the fucking papers when the manager came over and shut the deal down. He said my car was only worth $4500. Later I listed it on Craigslist and got 11K for it. I understand undervaluing by a couple grand cause they gotta make money, but literally giving me less than 50% of market value for a trade-in is unacceptable.

[@mrb401]

Between supply shortages, msrp markups & increased fuel costs, the purchase of my FiST pre-covid was probably the best car decision I’ve made in a long time.

[@hamsterbrigade]

My Lexus ISF just got totaled. It was my daily driver, so I'm going to replace it. Pray for me.

[@fslm1351]

In Singapore, the latest Subaru BRZ retails at ~USD 90k + ~USD 60k (10year certificate of entitlement for vehicle) based on current trend. That adds up to around ~USD 150k landed (before insurance, road tax, etc..)

[@Customisbetter2]

Singapore looks to be a mega-city. Why would anyone own a car there?

[@dielaughing73]

That's insanity

[@fslm1351]

@@Customisbetter2 Car lovers? Generally, having an automobile still brings you much more convenience though.

[@fslm1351]

@@dielaughing73 It's a way to keep the number of cars down due to space constraints. So yes, it's pretty crazy prices.

[@ak2112]

I paid sticker ($28,955) for a 22' BRZ and got $20k trade in on my 2016 Focus ST (base no options) with 45k miles on it. Deals are out there. I had to drive 65 miles to find a Subaru dealer without markup.

[@FreewayBrent]

Congrats. I was looking for a 2022 Kia Rio LX sedan (I previously owned a 2018 Kia Rio hatchback LX and loved it). Finally found one at a reasonable price of $17,400, but it's 300 miles away and not due to arrive until February 20th. It's about $1,000 above MSRP, but still far more reasonable than the $20,000-$22,000 that dealerships in So Cal are charging. The $1,000 above MSRP price is something I'm willing and able to absorb over the course of the next 3 years before I trade it in for something else.

[@motorpolitan8884]

This just confirmed to you Americans how insanely cheap cars were pre-shortage. Despite what people claim online, people have money, and that's why I believe this inflation is permanent.

[@wiegraf9009]

People don't have money, they just have credit.

[@pixelking_871]

Thank you for being the second car reviewer for bringing this up

[@dgurevich1]

The Buick Lucerne is one of the better cars to buy and keep long term because of its engine. The GM 3800 V6 is a bulletproof workhorse.

[@andromeda9340]

W body GM cars are underrated

[@lego4virgo]

Man, between this video and what Donut did and what Your Auto Advocate does, I'm so glad that I got my '20 Escape for ~$8k off.

[@PastelFroggy]

You got it pre pandemic i take it?

[@lego4virgo]

@@PastelFroggy Nope. Got it May 2021. It was MSRP at $27K, they asked for $23K ut the door, I countered at $20K. They waited a day, then said, "Fine.", and did the deal. They DID try some F&I nonsense at the last minute, but I shut that down real fast. It's an Escape S w/AWD and Ford Copilot 360. Yeah, I was surprised I could pull that off and I did it because the prev-gen Escapes were being asked for $18-20+, with 30-45K miles on them. Granted, they were SE and SEL trims, but still.

[@Acc0rd79]

I'm so glad I don't need to buy any car anytime soon. I would tell someone to keep what they have and just pay to fix it until this market calms the hell down. It would absolutely suck to have to buy a home or car in this current market.....HELL NO!

[@ryanbalkissoon]

Wow a lot of those cars have Vsex engines at low prices. I can’t wait to fork over my American pesos for a smooth, Mac and cheese level of comfort, ride like those. Thanks guys you’ve been enlightening.

[@williammorales3859]

Thanks to you guys I bought an IS350 in 2018 for $19k. It was used at 30k miles, 2015 model. The car has gone up in price lol and it's never failed me, ever! My parents NEW Fords have already failed more than my used Lexus.

[@rushmatic]

I love how all the shiny happy people look just like the stock image found in photo frames. It’s little satirical moments like this that push the channel miles ahead of others.

[@AL-kc4kg]

new cars in many countries costs twice or more than cars in US and people still buys them. North America is car heaven, no matter how expensive they are now, the America still has one of the cheapest automobile market in the world.

[@tingokuman]

I have a 780 credit score and I was quoted $4k down $650mo for a 2022 Honda Civic sport. It was marked up to $9k 🤣🤣🤣

[@piero914]

This is the weirdest Patagonia advert I've ever seen

[@Dr.Duck22]

This got me licking my lips for some of these absolute STEALS

[@danielgillrup9518]

Note to everyone, avoid buying used right now! Even with 15% down you’ll probably be underwater in a couple years it’s so overpriced right now. Buy new if you can get MSRP and below 1% APR because that might be going away forever this year.

[@iiWaffles95]

I bought my 2017 Mazda6 back in 2019 with 3k miles + warranty + taxes, for 20k out the door. Googled what my car's year and trim is selling for nowadays, and found one for 45k miles at 21.5k before taxes. Keeping mine lol.

[@jevgeniardassov]

30k for a Crossfire… World has gone mad, completely.

[@lariosfregosoify]

You guys make the classiest videos 🔥 there is something soothing about the way you know cars. Mucho Car Passion

[@duncanmclellan5479]

We have been offered $5k over what we paid for our Durango 2 years ago on a trade in sight unseen. An inflated market cuts both ways.

[@didafm]

Take it and run

[@duncanmclellan5479]

@@didafm you bet; signed yesterday.

[@a.kblur04]

I remember when Panther bodies costed as much as a tin of sardines and some belly button lint, but I found my 73k mile Marquis and paid 4500 for it and that was a screaming deal. That being said, I actuslly almost bought a Lucerne; had you come out with this video sooner I might have gotten an even better deal!

[@Conranos]

As a Type R owner, seeing those listings for the LE both sadden and infuriate me. The car, new, is worth it's MRSP price, and the LE is worth the MSRP increase. It is not a 60-70k+ car. Every car that dealers are holding onto at these insane prices is one more car that isn't being driven and experienced. However, I occasionally see some light. Carvana was offering well over MSRP in trade for Type Rs. They now have 82 of them listed on their site. Only 2 and pending purchase. Hopefully this is a sign that most people just won't pay these prices.

[@kevinnorris6558]

Dude, I was looking at used Accord prices the other day and was getting really pissed off. I've seen last gen Honda Accords with almost 70k miles going for only a thousand dollars less than the car costed when it was new. I think part of the price is the fact that I'm searching for manual Accords and Honda recently stopped making them.

[@ldsiverling]

Resigned myself to the fact I'll just have to find the magical dealer who will sell at MSRP but you'll be on their waitlist for 6 months when they get their next allotment. Hopefully. Until then, Si gang.

[@F80zcp]

SRT Crossfire was a S/C V6 from Daimler Chrysler (at the time) not V8 like every other SRT model.

[@ekscalybur]

Every other SRT model wasn't a V8. SRT8s had the V8. Take a wild guess what was in the SRT4s, SRT6s and the SRT10s?

[@QuadCloudNine]

hyundai genesis are great cars. I love my 2013 3.8L. They were bargains when I got it in 2016, and they are bargains today. Smooth, quiet, powerful, rear wheel drive. Great road tripper. 333hp and gets 30mpg on the highway. Only 110k miles, but only issue I've had is a rough idle I am having trouble diagnosing.

[@jeffruebens8355]

Since most are waiting for prices to go to more normal, sales staff assume buyers are more desperate. Buy used and save your money for a new one later. If you want a flashy unreliable crapbox, lease it. Many that lease have figured out a way to make it a business expense.

[@vabeachsux]

The problem is used cars are going for more than a brand new one.

[@jeffruebens8355]

@@vabeachsux ideally buy a much more used vehicle- see the Carsthatlast KZbin videos.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Easy way to resolve the salesman misunderstanding. Simply tell them you're shopping regionally and whoever has the best deal gets the cash. Helps weed out the price gougers.

[@thjtr-qx3ro]

I tell the dealership if they have a markup I’m just looking at your car before I buy from a remote dealer that isn’t charging markup.. sales guys not happy.. but they will find someone with dumb money..

[@jeffruebens8355]

@@thjtr-qx3ro there are 2 types of dealers, low volume + high price, and high volume + lower price. Some have better mechanics, usually because they attract the best talent with higher pay and benefits. An independent mechanic might be better, especially for simple stuff like oil changes, tires and brake pads and rotors.

[@Affalterbach1967]

Bargain shoppers know where to look. Somebody just picked up a low milage light weight 1965 Porsche 356C Coupe for just under $11,000 on Bring a Trailer.

[@dawnpoint]

Man I got dang lucky… Back in November I picked up a fully-loaded 06 Lexus GS430 V8 in superb condition, 133k miles, for less than $8k. It’s probably the only good car on earth that hasn’t been hit by the ridiculous price creep.

[@K20a3RSX]

I can’t express how jealous I am

[@Derek8487]

Part of the reason is it's a gas hog so there's a lot of people who will avoid it for that reason alone. When you factor in the price you paid and the good condition I would say it's a win.

[@danr154]

man i wosh i could go back and grab the gs350 AWD I saw with 77k miles for 9700 bucks.......sigh

[@omarbryant7930]

April 2020 I got an 2008 GS350 with 58k miles for $11,500 out the door. I was in a previous fender bender but still a great deal

[@jashan1344]

Let me introduce you to the B6 and B7 Audi S4. V8 with 350hp. Under 10k.

[@fastec5]

I snagged my GR86 in the same spec as yall for MSRP. Which, sucks cause I couldn't haggle (they said they could easily sell it for more than MSRP lol), but still way better than the markups I've been seeing on them.