What If the SAIYANS listened to BARDOCK? | Dragon Ball Z

[@zekken8227]

:) Nice that you kept it like that cause the whole point of the future sight is that he sees his own bleak future so it was bound to be like that. But, how did the combined Great ape beam become 50 mil? cause great ape is just 10x amp so only if we assume there were 500 bardock level fighters would be beam reach that level. i kinda see that as a stretch:p

[@CarthusDojo]

Someone who gets the point! Thank you! The 50 Million is a generous estimation. Toriyama has about 1000 Saiyans at any given time. So assuming average Saiyan Power Level is 5000 you multiply that by 10 and then that by 1000 for a total of 50 million.

[@zekken8227]

@@CarthusDojo Ahh gotcha, thx

[@dadwhoisgettingchoccymilk3053]

It’s been shown on a few examples that charging your key for an attack increases your power level a bit, some techniques more than others, so I think 50 million is a fair number.

[@Cloudson97]

@@dadwhoisgettingchoccymilk3053 Yep! Like how Piccolo charging the Makankōsappō against Raditz was so concentrated to a specific point that Piccolo's 800 ish without weights rose up to something akin to 1240 ish

[@zekken8227]

@@dadwhoisgettingchoccymilk3053 ehh remember how raditz was surprised by Goku & Piccolo was able to raise their power levels. He acted very surprised, so its fair to say it at least wasnt very common.

[@KewlCrayon]

Their best chance would've been to flee and to start a guerilla rebellion, but knowing how stubborn and prideful the Saiyans are, they would've chosen death and fought to their last.

[@assassinwizardxd3643]

Yes this is a topic i like, no forms or transformations like ultra instinct or ultra ego. Saiyans using coordinations to defend their planet. Frieza going final form because of their efforts the saiyans made. Then again, the saiyans giving him their last attack and eventually dies along the planet. Now this is a good plot for db not “transformations or forms”

[@Peanutpatch]

Frieza would call this a "Gorilla" rebellion.

[@Taco-man_]

Not really Raditz was a coward when faced with death, so I believe some would be smart enough to escape and regroup later.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

Exactly, most or almost all Saiyans wouldn't back down from a fight. They aren't even afraid of certain death.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@Taco-man_ Yeah, they might be able to defeat Frieza, Cold, and the rest of the opposing army over time. But their numbers would still be low to repopulate their species from completely going extinct in a few generations or less.

[@alexzero3736]

Wow, this actually a good scenario, not like " Bardock just wins". I believe that rebellion of Sayan army would give more opportunities to escape the planet, so there would be More Sayian survivors.

[@alexzero3736]

Ye, like real "warrior race".

[@InsomniaDaydreamer]

how did you misspell saiyan twice

[@InsomniaDaydreamer]

@Ты клоун no, just a grammar nerd, Flint Lockwood's dad.

[@zenaxia8063]

i was thinking the same thing, and the race of saiyans occupying about half of the planet so lets say a population of 1 billion on the low end, average saiyan is about 2k power level, lets bump that up to 3k because they had all the elites and bardock a low class warrior has a power level of 10k so we dont know the true potential at the time, thats 30k per saiyan for a pop of 1 billion, excluding the law of diminishing returns, lets say that blast was a power level of 30 trillion, even if we include the law of diminishing returns here, the saiyans would put out more than 50 million, but individual power scaling is different, so i see why carthu went with this

[@All-Father8549]

Scouters work cross planet, I assume better scouters would just pick up the huge amount of power levels and then destroy whatever planet they landed on.

[@mystic_bladez8215]

I believe this is the most accurate variation of this story. Most scenarios have frieza lower his guard, and be killed off. If he was scared of the super saiyan legend he wouldn’t lower his guard

[@UltraEgoMc]

Even if he did lower his guard he wouldn’t have exactly died. Frieza was caught off guard many times before.

[@mystic_bladez8215]

@@UltraEgoMc exactly frieza has insane durability feats, he’d never lose to the saiyans

[@alexzero3736]

Actually Freeza was laughing, he was not scared at the moment. Freeza one-shoted king Vegetable so why would he fear anyone...Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta not just because of Sayians growing power, but because of their potential disloyalty. So waking up dead is a distinct possibility, but it needs preparations and teamwork which Bardock never had time for.

[@GamersGains]

He definitely would lower his Guard This is frieza we’re talking about

[@SuperDababy2]

@@GamersGains man lowered his guard against Goku, he isn't the smartest

[@BardockSkywalker]

I like the direction this went, it just shows how powerful Frieza truly is. If this actually happened, i can see Frieza mentioning to Goku how this one guy managed to form a rather potent rebellion against him before he destroyed the planet. Of course, Goku wouldn't care all that much about it, but it's still something that i think warrants mention

[@hez859]

But Frieza does mention it

[@BardockSkywalker]

@@hez859 That's only for himself, though. He doesn’t actually talk to Goku about it (No, the OG FUNimation Dub doesn’t count) & to be fair, Goku wouldn't have cared all that much

[@eaglest0554]

I think with them actually putting up a decent effort would've made him remember his hair enough to make the connection and taunt him about how his own father was the one leading the charge that he took out with such little effort. "Such courageous stupidity must run in the bloodline."

[@johnquach8821]

In the end, the future refused to change...

[@UnwantedGhost1]

*"You get what you freaking deserve!"* - Joaquin Phoenix

[@TheScholarOfLemons]

lavos is freeza's deathball confirmed

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

@@UnwantedGhost1 "How about another joke, Bardock?" -Frieza

[@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387]

That tends to happen a lot sadly somethings are written in stone no matter which way spell it

[@samuelflipaclip7415]

@@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387hehe monkeys can’t have anymore stone planet go boom

[@Goatcha_M]

The one problem is that most saiyans are reduced to pure destructive instinct on their Oozaru form. Only Super Elites, and maybe elites retain their minds while transformed.

[@johnlynch1353]

I could be misremembering, but I believe middle and elites keep control of themselves but can’t remember afterwards. Only low class sayings completely lose themselves. As shown at the start of the Bardock episode when his team does not attack each other and only the aliens on the planet they were on, and they all Mid class except bardoc.

[@TherealKRG-d7p]

@@johnlynch1353I believe after gaining experience in the oozaru form any saiyan could at least have somewhat control over it. As shown in the bardock special Shugesh didn’t remember everything but the person who gave him the scratch on his cheek.

[@johnlynch1353]

@@TherealKRG-d7p I don’t think that really makes sense. How are they supposed to gain experience as the Ozarro when they can’t remember their experience as the Ozarro. Also those sayains with bardoc were mid ranking sayains. It makes sense that they might have control over themselves and remember bits and pieces where a low ranking sayain wouldn’t. The best example I can point to is Gohan. When he fist transforms its when he first started his training and was completely mindless. The second time he had a power level a little above radits who was just over 1,000. Making him a mid ranking sayain. He could be slightly controlled to only attack Vegetia. As a posed to Goku’s second transformation with a power level near 100 where he was completely mindless and would still have been considered low ranking.

[@TherealKRG-d7p]

@@johnlynch1353they gain experience by being in the form and the more the saiyan fights in great ape the more control they get. Even though not all planets have moons some of them can create artificial moonlight.

[@johnlynch1353]

@@TherealKRG-d7p The idea that experience relates to control of the giant ape is contradicted by the show as explained in my second paragraph of my last post. Just compare goku and gohan’s second time being the great ape. Also what does the ability to create artificial moons have anything to do with sayains control over the great ape? Sure it allows them to transform. But it has no shown appreciable impact after that on their ability to control them selves. Power level relating to control makes far more sense in the context of the show.

[@sonokawaray]

So many things would have to go right for the Saiyans to win here, and yeah, unfortunately almost any scenario that doesn't involve them making a tactical retreat likely ends with Frieza just powering up and stomping them in an instant. Still, this feels like a cool alternative to how the Saiyans would have met their end --- not caught off guard in a moment of complacency, but going down swinging in a courageous last stand. I like it.

[@pIayingwithmahwii]

yeah this is good cause it doesn't have frieza losing on a technicality. it shows that even if they did everything perfectly, they still couldn't have beaten frieza unfortunately. but it also doesn't have the saiyans going out like punks. they managed to push him to his final form

[@LadyTamayo.Official]

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[@Trap5656]

Yeah the problem here is Frieza can transform, and their is nothing the Saiyans can do to stop Frieza here. But at least the Saiyans went out fighting. Anyways another really good one-shot what if, and looking forward to your next video soon. What if suggestion: What if Goku & Tarble were sent to Earth?

[@alexzero3736]

Together or separately?

[@lanceknightmare]

It is questionable if Frieza can transform at this point. I recall in Dragonball Super Frieza having a flashback fighting this one general of his. The general could take more punishment than what was normal due to a special ability. This allowed Frieza to gain his second transformation. Final Form Frieza in the early days is spoken of by Cooler in the movie Coolers Revenge. Cooler and Frieza had both spared with each other in Final Form and Frieza came out on top. It could be Frieza is only capable of his first transformation at this point. I can see the Saiyans winning against this if they unite. I am less optimistic if they use the OOzaru Form. It is rare for the Saiyans to be able to control themselves while in this form. Turlis defeated a Oozaru Gohan quite easily because he was just a beast who lacked control of himself. The Saiyans transform in OOzaru because the planets they invade are supposed to be destroyed of life. It does not matter how much destruction they do as long as the Saiyans eliminate all resistance.

[@deinocheirusthebestduck5447]

Bruh the blast that The oozaru's did is enough to Destroy Every Cell of freiza

[@samarchauhan5672]

But even if freeza can transform, there's no way he should've survived such a powerful attack from a unified Sayan army

[@caremo98]

@@lanceknightmare If I recall correctly, in the game xenoverse 2, it was mentioned that the freezer clan creates these lower forms, because they cant handle the strenght of their original form (aka freezers final form). Also they can design the looks of them fairly freely. This means that children of freezers family at any point in time have access to their 1st form and their final/base form and the others are created once they feel confident enough to handle a higher power level than their 1st form. tl dr freezers family can transform in to their final/base form at any age, however they might not be able to control such a power level yet propably. However take this information with a grain of salt, since the source is a game and thus not canon and is derived from my memory. Also it would create the question, why king cold didnt transform when he was killed by trunks or maybe it was already his final/ base form. But then why did it look so different to freezers and coolers form, which look very similar. idk

[@E-6481]

I love that you kept this as realistic as possible. You didn’t have bardock “change the future” because no matter what, it was destined to happen. Really good video, can’t wait for future projects.

[@dannylopez5976]

This is the exact scenario I always envisioned if the Sayians did actually try to rebel that day. You told it well and great as always Carthu.

[@samarchauhan5672]

This is just a what if episode. But yes the sayans did rebel, just not in the way it's shown over here

[@teznarayanan]

​@@samarchauhan5672tbh the Saiyans didn't rebel. Just one saiyan rebelled😂

[@Peanutpatch]

This was really good. I much prefer this to scenarios where bardock somehow wins despite being SO below frieza. It's a what if and people can do what they want, but I just find something like this much more interesting. It could also mean that frieza might actually decide to stay in his final form at 1-10% power at al times now, just to be safe. Changing the namek saga a lot.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

For the worse of the Namekians & Earth's warriors. Would Goku still win against the intergalactic tyrant?

[@BackAfter2Years]

1% of his final form is 1.2 mill and 10% is 12 mill it would probably still be the same

[@westhequagsire]

⁠@@BackAfter2Yearsnot really because Krillin, Vegeta, piccolo and gohan would all die before Goku comes which would make him go ssj a lot faster and also have no spirit bomb

[@serketenglish5963]

Carthu's Frieza voice is too good! Gosh darn it!

[@dragonknight1560]

I think this is more of the canon version than anything. The Saiyans' Final Stand. It's way more impressive and would work better as actual canon. Kudos Carthu!

[@imbored1179]

Definitely more impressive but it's more in line with sayin character for them to not heed any warning. They were always too arrogant and it costed them

[@dragonknight1560]

@@imbored1179 True, I'm not going to disagree. You can say the same with Frieza and his arrogance during the Namek Saga.

[@fang8726]

This was fantastic, great work! Shoutout to the editor as well, they also did a great job!

[@TheMountyPresents]

Didn't it take a while for Freeza to transform to his final form? Maybe when he saw the power levels shoot up, he could've started but would it be fast enough before getting destroyed by the blast? 🤔

[@CarthusDojo]

He took awhile in the anime not the manga.

[@TheMountyPresents]

@@CarthusDojo Ah okay

[@vanessahuffman57]

@@CarthusDojo wait this movie *was* canon to the anime tho

[@kumiq17]

@@vanessahuffman57 I mean i don't think it still is since the new manga has the new manga has to follow the new history of bardock for literally a whole arc to make sense. Even if it was canon freeza has shown in the manga movie and anime of the resurrection F saga that he can go straight from his weakest form to his final form or basically his base rather quickly Honestly i think thats what it comes down to. Freeza is not going into a transformation, he is returning to his base It should not take long to do that Edit: you could make the arguement it only took so long in the anime since the physical change between his 3rd and 4th form is massive as compared to his 1st to 4th form which are his two most similar transformations in terms of look and side. Not to mention debatably the 1st form is likely the one freeza has had the longest since we see him with it as a kid. Furthermore freeza has stated that he has had to use his final form before and there should of realistically been no reason to do so unless he did not have his other forms since he is suppose to be on another level then everyone in the universe

[@vanessahuffman57]

@@kumiq17 okay

[@waynemd7804]

time to watch this when it comes out I say, with a cigar in my mouth, probably edit:this video is cool I say, with a cigar in my mouth, probably

[@UnwantedGhost1]

Back then was the cigar's golden age. 😂

[@tempestsama1908]

@@UnwantedGhost1 probably...

[@johnathantownsend1054]

I miss the whole bardock being able to see the future thing

[@zsnako5466]

Ending is heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

It still wouldn't be enough to destroy Frieza's blast. Unless they could make an artificial blutz wave like Vegeta the fourth. Would all their Oozaru strength be enough to overwhelm the galactic tyrant's 530,000 power level?

[@titanictnt7476]

Bardock alone has a power level of 10,000. So if the low class (because apparently Bardock is a low class warrior) is that strong, then definitely.

[@stevenle9960]

@@titanictnt7476 bardock is unnaturally strong in comparison to the rest of the low class though. most of them are in raditz range so ~1k

[@y0av359]

@@stevenle9960 yeah but hundreds of Saiyans like that would be more than enough

[@elementgermanium]

The Broly movie reveals that the total power level of Planet Vegeta is 1,000,000. So second-form at best.

[@stevenle9960]

@@elementgermanium well with the oozaru boost it'd be at least heavily suppressed final form frieza level

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

What If Request. What if Gohan drank the Ultra Divine Water before or after entering the Time Chamber with Goku, What if Goku was the first "evolved" Saiyan (like the Universe 6 Saiyan's who are born without a tail and have more potential), What if Kami regained his youth when King Piccolo did, What if Elder Guru fused with Kami before he died, What if Bulma found Androids 13, 14 and 15 used their parts to upgrade Android 16.

[@jamainegardner4193]

UDW Gohan: He'd get ever so slightly stronger, however it wouldn't be enough to change anything in the story. "Evolved" Goku: No Oozaru form means that Grandpa Gohan would train him for longer and he'd be a bit stronger than in canon when Bulma arrives. Grandpa Gohan lets Goku go with her and the Dragonball, and the adventure goes along much easier until Goku is able to break the others out of Pilaf's Castle with a Kamehameha and someone gets a wish. Probably Grandpa Gohan teaches Goku about girls, Ox King makes a request for Goku's wish since he wouldn't know what to do so Goku revives Chichi's mother. They get together early, Chichi trains under Roshi and Gohan with Goku and Krillin, and everything goes basically the same until the timeskip between DB and Z. Since Goku here is more socially conscious and Chichi has trained as a proper martial artist, Gohan is raised with both training and studying in his curriculum. Long story short this means Chichi is a Z-Fighter for a while and Gohan is OP. Youthful Kami: Given how Kami directly calls the split with King Piccolo a halving of their original power, that would mean young Kami would rival Frieza in power and train Goku better to handle Piccolo Jr, making their fight in the 23rd Budokai more one-sided. In the Saiyan saga Kami wouldn't really intervene, nothing changes in the Namek saga, but in the Android saga Piccolo would train with Kami personally, which would end up with both being on par with 18, and instead of resorting to Kamiccolo they'd train in the HTC, meaning they wouldn't become Kamiccolo until the Buu saga and would be much stronger for it. Guru-Kami: Kami gets the knowledge and powers of Guru, uses it to train the humans for the Androids and basically the humans catch up to the Super Saiyans by the time the Androids arrive. Kamiccolo would know his old name, and he'd be a bit stronger with the possibility of being able to unlock potential. Super Android 16: Bulma doing this would only make Super-16 at best on par with Piccolo so really nothing changes.

[@aarongarcia3594]

Super Kami Guru

[@barringtonjohnson2925]

I love this hypothetical. I can see it being stretched out in the sense of Frieza already knew of their plan cause of Vegeta or something like that

[@NickShizukesa]

You are killing this Frieza impression

[@nicknamenescio]

Wow, that was moving. As a last stand for a people of warriors, that feels extremely fitting. Great job.

[@dannybenhur6123]

Your frieza's voice over is too amazing.

[@rahulshendre7089]

The editing and the quality is improving with every video Man you are epic !

[@CarthusDojo]

Thanks a ton!

[@xerostrife3723]

If he did convince them they would’ve took over the entire multiverse there would have been thousands of tingling feelings in the back lmfao 😂

[@cainguardian4693]

Hey so, I've gotta say, I absolutely love your videos man. Growing up, I've always wanted a What If kinda deal with DragonBall and you do them absolutely perfect. Your videos are completely logical, you follow the correct formulas of Dbz, it's just like watching them for real. So thank you, Carthu🤘🏼

[@crashdash4087]

glad to finally see another story after so long. keep up the good work man.

[@Charliezard412]

I would love to see more of your stories covering the Manga Arcs. You are a great storyteller.

[@LostBoy1920]

Holy crap your Frieza impression is on point!

[@bobus1973]

I like the editing. This new editor is talanted

[@brap6557]

This was incredible, you should be a script writer. I can picture these as full length movies so easily.

[@NousagiCaptain]

This is one of the better scenarios of yours, great job dude. No plot convenience, no deus ex machinas, just good story telling.

[@razakeldrukata6502]

good plan would be to create "scatter teams" of children, women, low class under one mid or elite "commander" and sent in groups in random directions in each pod group. Then with survival guaranteed the best among them not sent off are gathered to oozaru. Buy time for the escape or kill freiza.

[@TaeSunWoo]

I like how the history of dragon has changed your editing style

[@dylanriddle782]

THAT WAS AMAZING!!!! THIS IS PERHAPS THE BEST COMEBACK FOR THE WHAT IF'S ON THIS CHANNEL!!!!! Keep up the great work, Carthu! 👍 Final Results: 1 Trillion/100

[@Aperson-619]

I think the saiyans would have succeeded because I don’t think Frieza wouldn’t be able to transform that fast yet

[@samarchauhan5672]

Yes you're correct, and they also could've used that time to take over his spaceship

[@uzzy1]

I think broly could of protected them he could of shield the planet

[@spiderdude5591]

@@uzzy1 broly was 3…..

[@smasher3261]

​@@spiderdude5591 and out of planet vegita

[@smasher3261]

The transformation only takes time in the anime

[@davidrivera6017]

You should do a what if about King Vegeta, Bardock and Paragus putting their differences aside and working together to fight Frieza. Oh and great story by the way, I enjoyed it!

[@rell7073]

Carthu is one of the best what if you tubers because he explains everything

[@Shendu1010]

The fan made manga "Dragon Ball Multiverse" have a similar evened in universe 3, unlike here Frieze die from the blast because he was catch off-guard and did not transform in time.

[@antihero627]

What’s up man, feels like I haven’t watched any of your videos in ages. Great to see you’re still at it and making great What-Ifs. Hope you’ll do more.

[@DJ792YT]

This may be my favorite What If from you yet. The suspense had me on the edge of my seat, the editing and production value were top notch (Props to your new editor btw), pretty much everything was golden. I look forward to more great content in the future.

[@Leo80221]

I kind of doubt Frieza would've gotten away completely unscathed, even assuming it takes only 3 seconds for him to transform to his final form, I doubt he would be able to reach 50% power before getting hit. While I highly doubt he would die (if we assume that the Saiyans were only able to reach 50 million, which there were probably enough of them that they could reach higher) he would most likely be injured to a point that he wouldn't be able to muster anything close to 50% power. I don't think they would end up winning, but I think whoever was unable to fight would have been given more than enough time to escape, especially since the attack would probably have damaged, if not completely destroyed, Frieza's ship (and the remaining soldiers within), seeing as he was "standing" on top of it.

[@SuperDababy2]

yeah, even if Frieza tanked it his ship wouldn't. he'd literally lose almost all his best fighters (Ginyu force wasn't there), sure he'd wipe out the saiyans but I feel like he'd slowly do it out of spite after losing all of that to some "monkeys"

[@Gogeta2501]

Not even 3 seconds fM takes much longer he will gets chou makouh by millions great apes

[@Gogeta2501]

@@SuperDababy2 missed the point

[@CyanicCore]

It looks like more people have said it by now, but let me concur: Bardock winning over Frieza is a good concept, but done many times. Your take, if dismal, is just as well done but unique! However, what really helps this one stand out is how well it fits over the movie template (the movie was fun and minus had a couple twists, but this brought more to the movie's plot and was far more satisfying than Minus!)

[@eliandervalderen5849]

I think I like this one better than masakox version of what if Bardock convinced the Saiyans

[@theclown5763]

Great job, even though I've watched versions of this scenario already, yours was still great and entertaining. I have a question - are you planning to continue "What if Gohan was like Goku?" As someone who always wished that was the case, this series was really close to me.

[@CarthusDojo]

Yes. It’s just going to be finished all at once since I don’t do parts anymore. Probably a 45 minute video at the end which takes a lot of time with my modern editing style!

[@theclown5763]

@@CarthusDojo That's great, thanks for answering. If you don't mind me asking, is there any approximate date or just "in unspecified future"?

[@CarthusDojo]

@@theclown5763 unspecified future. I give dates when I can be close to 100% certain. The best I can give you is it’ll be this year!

[@rba295]

@@CarthusDojoyup totally True

[@jacobondriska9947]

Your frieza voice is amazing !

[@Crow_Rising]

This is a fairly realistic take on what would happen, honestly. I'd even go so far as to say that if made into a proper official animated special, it would be more interesting narratively than the original Bardock special. It fails to change the ultimate fate of the Saiyans and planet Vegeta, but it does give the Saiyans one proper final last hurrah before their end, as opposed to the whimper they got in the original. It also does a much better job at showing just how monstrous of an opponent Freeza truly is, how futile opposition to him is. The Freeza Saga truly didn't give the threat he represents justice, and that's even with him feeling like an absolute powerhouse in the saga. It's a fantastically written saga, holding up still to this day. Even in the original Bardock special, Bardock's feeble resistance alone fails to capture the true threat that Freeza represents. By having the Saiyans combine their power for one last attempt at their freedom like this, the threat Freeza represents is magnified in how effortlessly he dispatches them.

[@_dsn671]

Just imagining this play out is amazing! You really had me believing that they could win for a second there lol. Well done!

[@nathan3252]

I would have taken a different route. Thanks to his abilities, Bardock already knows that he is sending his son to someplace safe as he is seeing a future where his son grows up. The better option would have been to split up the remaining saiyans. Bardock and half of the strongest remaining would stay to delay frieza and keep him busy while the Goku's mom and the rest would try to find where goku went. Frieza would arrive and destroy the planet but not know about the escape. The result would be there would be not just a handful of saiyans but rather a traveling army in search of a new home shown to them thru prophecy along with a chosen one who may one day be the death of their greatest enemy. Vegeta, nappa, and raditz would never about this escape thus they would assume they were the last. Honestly you were on the cusp of something but alas didn't see it.

[@alexzero3736]

Elites were to arrogant to do that, they would went all out, or they would panic as they feared Freeza.

[@namedisjay]

That wouldn't work due to the reason gine didn't go to earth in the first place, the power level of the saiyans would be high and frieza's forces could likely track them.

[@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441]

@@namedisjay I dont think gine power level that high though

[@namedisjay]

@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 "We can't, we'd be found out on their scouters in no time."

[@hyperionsf3220]

@@namedisjay That's in reference to them traveling in that direction. It's like a GPS tracker if you will. They'd just find out which direction they went into, then fan out in that direction, only to eventually find earth in a few years time. Before the first World Tournament could even take place in the DB series.

[@SamueleC597]

Yes! Nice to see you back with the what if I love them! ;)

[@cybar7755]

The moment Carthu said the power was 50M I knew it was over

[@vanesslifeygo]

The voice they did for Frieza while making this video is so cool and fitting hahah

[@Ese_Moreno04]

Great little scenario though it is a shame the outcome was still the same. Pretty cool how the combined Saiyan attack forced Frieza into his final form though.

[@geekroom2365]

It needs to be said how good your frieza voice is, hats off dude 👏🏾

[@StarxianOrange]

why didnt the 50 million blast kill frieza by catching him off guard like how blue goku died in resurrection f?

[@CarthusDojo]

Freeza’s Scouter seeing the power level gave him more than enough time to react so he isn’t off guard.

[@Base.s]

@@CarthusDojo it took ages for frieza to turn final form on namek which was like around 20 something years later

[@uniquegorilla8680]

@@CarthusDojo sorry carthu but gonna have to go with a no on this one you see even blocking the attack he would die and there wasn't enough rough to dodge note your also not factoring in the rage boost that a few of the sayains would have

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@uniquegorilla8680 the rage boost is negligible to insignificant. Freeza doesn't need Minutes to transform, he needs all of three seconds if not Instantaneous, anything else is just for show.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@Base.s Did Toriyama confirmed that in an interview?

[@zachnotzack4890]

I just thought of this while watching your "What If VEGITO BLUE fought JIREN?", and immediately went to your channel and hastily tried to find your newest video XD. So the idea is: "What if Goku stayed longer on Yardrat?". I thought of this when I heard about Vegito being able to use Instant Transmission.

[@BrianAwesome]

Well damn, I thought that some of the Saiyans woulda escaped during the battle.

[@SugioraRitsu]

bardock's my favorite character, and this is by far the best scenario ever for him, even tho he died, he did everything that he could to deliver his true final blow

[@sawshawn_____3374]

i honestly believe that saiyan army blast should’ve killed frieza .

[@UnwantedGhost1]

Maybe in an alternative timeline of this what if. 😏

[@gboymachine9762]

What if Bardock knew Fusion? What if Bardock learned super saiyan back when he saved granolah

[@gspar116]

I seriously wish Toriyama kept Bardock’s Z design especially his bandana he could have kept pieces of the Z special but changed things around to include Broly, Gine, Paragus etc. watching this made me think about how he changed it too much

[@bbg3561]

The editor is very good, and i like the fast edition just like the video of db original history

[@drawingmadman3204]

Been waiting for this one

[@anicechannel1564]

Always a good day when Goat-thu uploads

[@CarthusDojo]

Real ones follow the twitter 🗿twitter.com/CarthusDojo

[@phenixgoku11]

Let me guess another 10 minute 1 part what if

[@CarthusDojo]

@@phenixgoku11 I’ve made one 10 minute what if in the last year. My average video length is 12-15 mins and I don’t do parts anymore. Longer videos will happen but they take time to make. Basically skipping straight to the full story instead of making a bunch of parts first.

[@imfrod]

@@CarthusDojo holy shit yay

[@BrokuDrawsNMore]

@@CarthusDojo Hi Carthu! How's life? Do you wish you had your videos more often than is currently or it's OK to have monthly video?

[@wingedhussar4339]

I’m still early but a little bit late.

[@TrueLocalEnthusiast]

10:33 My only issue with this is that Frieza lacked the ability to instantly transform. He only gained this ability in super after training for a few months. Prior to that, his transformations took a great deal of time and effort on his part.

[@Spearless484]

United Saiyan Army-USA. Frieza fought the usa

[@thedoglovinggamer5825]

YOU’RE RIGHT!🗣️🔥🔥🔥🐵🐵🐵🐵🐵🐵🦍🦍🦍🦧🦧🦧

[@Spearless484]

The US really is a bunch of monkeys….

[@Operandie]

Nah the new editing makes the video so much more engaging!

[@squishumz]

this has to be the most realistic version of "bardock convincing the saiyans",since they wouldnt even get close to frieza's full power. still mad though why you gotta do my boy bardock like that😭

[@mr72126]

The editing was amazing

[@bradgreco6973]

I really like this. Kinda hoped they would've maybe tried to pool their power into Bardock for like a SSG style thing but I am more than happy with this outcome

[@Drip_Wooper]

Unfortunate since no one of them have pure heart, the result would be more like that one time in GT where they powered SSJ4 Goku, and we know the power boost wouldn't be big enough sadly

[@Mino..233]

This is truly perfect.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

I bet King Vegeta (Vegeta the third) regretted sending Broly to exile before Frieza personally killed him. The galactic tyrant should have extra lines to tell Paragus the truth about the Saiyan race before showing how his former enemy king died in the Broly movie. It would been more fulfilling & ironic in my opinion. Why ironic? Because the exiled Saiyan shot a fellow Saiyan with a energy beam.

[@mintcarrier]

This was heart breaking in another way…hope…once again snatched away…thanks man

[@degariuslozak2169]

Fellas, is it gay to have had a crush on Zarbon before knowing he wasn't a girl?

[@ThetrueLubbit]

Na I wouldn’t say it is

[@TheRealZXXZ]

Yes

[@YEthanT-N]

Na you thought it was girl so brain saw girl

[@Dawj-u5r]

Many thought frieza was a girl.

[@Walter-gc2wz]

First off no cause you didn’t know but How tf did you think he was a girl

[@Lin_katchow]

The saiyans: so what’s our plan? Bardock: idk 🤷

[@Slimmthekidd]

Frieza wouldn’t be able to transform into his final form that fast. On the namek ark it took him a few minutes to transform. A blast of a power level of 50 million would obliterate him instantly. The Saipan’s would kill frieza and his men but the Saiyans would still die because of King Cold.

[@sawshawn_____3374]

exactly i agree with everything except that part. even if frieza would’ve been able to transform i believe the blast should’ve been well above 50million. i would say around 300-500 million. given that there are thousands of saiyans given a 10X boost in power

[@danielmaldonado9542]

I agree because in namek his transformation wasn't quick at all

[@arcadius3257]

What do you have that proves that he couldn't do this all along and just decided to transform slowly to instill as much fear into the Z fighters on Namek as he could for his amusement? I mean he transformed into his final form instantly in the Revival of F arc and there is no evidence that proves that his training had anything to do with it.

[@waffleten9750]

@@arcadius3257 Our proof? In Z he didn't. And this is clearly using Z Bardock.

[@arcadius3257]

@@waffleten9750 Did you read nothing I just said? That's not proof, thats speculation at best lol.

[@omereltayeb7711]

Thats why i like og bardock and i consider him the canon one because he is just greatly written a sayian defying destiny is the most badass thing ever

[@casualverse]

I would have silenced communication, made a plan, and sent all the sayians out to space in different directions, to raise their powers, try to learn to mask their power, while becoming stronger. If Freiza can miss several sayians already in canon, he can miss more blasting off to the furthest parts of the universe. Leave vegeta bide your time, prepare extensively then stomp him.

[@gokut2219]

This is so hype i always get so excited for a new Carthu Video!

[@waffleten9750]

Isn't there a whole planet of Saiyans? Indeed there have to be millions of them. Let's say the bare minimum there is 1,000,000 of them (which is fair because they have been around for decades) Let's say the all are 200 or around that (which is appropriate to say) That's around 200,000,000 more than enough for Frieza.

[@sawshawn_____3374]

exactly the blast should’ve been way more powerful than 50 million

[@alexzero3736]

This makes no sense. Raditz told that the Sayians always were a limited race, Bardock squad is like six men, Bardock was limited in time before destruction of planet...

[@waffleten9750]

@@alexzero3736 Ima need proof for Radtiz saying that to make sure I check the start of Sayian Saga, and he never brings that up. Bardock had six people in his team because his team was special. Low-Class Warriors with the potential power levels of around 10,000 that's more than the Elites Plus it's a race that takes over planets and even before Frieza Had State of the art technology. And you're telling me New York City has a bigger population than the whole of Planet Vegeta?

[@waffleten9750]

@@alexzero3736 Plus, sure he had an hour. But uh, did you forget that even at a power level of 200, these guys are still way faster than sound? The 20ish people in that room could quickly tell most of the planet what was going on.

[@nokiagt]

@@waffleten9750 toriyama said there were only 1000 saiyans

[@Blackswordsman256]

bro that was beautiful man

[@arcadius3257]

"what if Bardock Convinced the Saiyans?" Well they'd be dead a little bit quicker then having to wait for the super nova to land on their planet.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

And Frieza would be convinced enough to do a bit more training to drastically increase his power level. Similar to "what if Frieza always trained".

[@DBZAnimations-q8j]

why does bro have the best frieza accent

[@krissmc3]

You know I realy enjoy these videos

[@imalexbojorquez]

Really digging this! Glad to make it to the premiere!

[@omens255]

This Scenario was way better, seeing Bardock having visions of Supersayin goku made me tear up a bit.

[@daenchouest8879]

Definitely dislike how fast freiza got into his final form, I understand that in the manga he transformed faster, but we don't have any idea how fast he actually transformed due to how mangas work or if it still would've taken him time to transform from 1st form to his final form.

[@ProjektTaku]

in Rf we see him go straight form his first to final form, and that's written by Toriyama himself.

[@daenchouest8879]

@projekttaku1753 I'd have to rewatch this video to see if my complaint was about him skipping to final form (I don't believe it was) or if it was how fast the transformation happens. I believe it I'd the latter I had issues with. I just rewatched how long it took frieza to get into final form in RF and they had ample to to attack. If I remember correctly in this video frieza shouldn't have had enough time to go into his final form, especially since this is before any training and should therefore have less experience. But it's just a fun little what if, so it doesn't really matter, as the point of these videos is just to tell a narrative of cool scenarios. Sorry for taking up so much of your time with this wall of text, I hope you have a pleasant day.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@daenchouest8879 don't worry, you really didn't eat up much time. Hope you also have a nice day!

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

@@daenchouest8879His first form is not even actually him and is just a shell. His final form is his real true self unmasked and base form it’s not like a sayain. His golden form is a real transformation because it’s a increase past his natural form but his first form is just a way to control and contain his power. He still has the durability and stamina of his true form. The biggest example of this is his short struggle with vegeta before he goes into his 2nd form. Vegeta is very winded and tired while freiza shows no signs of fatigue whatsoever. Piccolo traded blows and was equal to his 2nd form yet again he shows absolutely no signs of fatigue in that fight he has some wounds but any damage he suffered was completely healed going to his true form.

[@Drip_Wooper]

I honestly think it happened for dramatic purposes, like if this happened in a manga somewhere it'd happen just like this for dramatic purposes, because if this was 'realistic' Freeza would've started powering up as soon as his scounter said the power was above 500.000. But it'd kill dramatic tension of the "would it work?" specially for us who knows what Freeza's doing, not so much for the Saiyans but for the knowing audience it'd just be a 'well, he's getting stronger why watch the rest?' so he made Freeza just stand there If this hypothetical TV-Only special was aired in-between the Saiyan Saga and the Freeza saga in our hypotethical world, then it would work 100%, since we just see Freeza screaming while holding a clenching pose before being hit by the Giant Oozaru Blast, and then he'd come out of the smoke transformed, but it'd kill the surprise that he can transform from the actual arc, so pick you poison I guess?

[@spicyboi544]

very dramatic, I assumed that frieza wouldnt have the ability to transform while being destroyed but It plays into the bittersweet theme of bardocks story. really cool

[@lilatuigamalaaiolupotea1058]

This is gonna rock!!

[@levanchoxeli2083]

This was amazing

[@SpoodermanOnTop]

I think this video will be great!

[@Dina_1041]

O my god , this is so interesting and fun to watch ,keep up the good work 👍👍👍😊

[@pokemonracer5540]

Done! I hope this is good!

[@SomeWeirdDudeExpert]

Love the vid! Keep it up! Video idea: what if goku had unlimited potential/inf forms

[@RandomPerson_muahahahaha]

this will be good as always

[@Solesteam]

8:26 The United Saiyans of Vegeta

[@dragonworld_DB]

I'm so excited for this