Life, Death & Mythology in Adventure Time: The Real Life Inspirations for OOO's Lore!

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[@CartoonUniverse]

What Adventure Time breakdown would you like to see next or what aspect of this greater lore should I make a special video focusing on?

[@that_starkid]

🤭

[@craz2580]

Maybe about the elements and elementals?

[@BBWahoo]

Jakes red doggy rocket

[@tayloredwards4968]

I wonder is there a version of the lich inside of Fiona and cake world

[@carlosalbuquerque22]

Golb is basically Angra Mainyu from Zoroastrianism. They even reference the yashts, where the hero retrieves his brother from Mainyu's bowels much like Jake does to Finn and Simon.

[@christythehedgehog169]

Adventure time is a show that has definitely carved its path in history, this show in general is always gonna be a classic

[@lockskelington314]

I think its worth Mentioning that The Only way Betty Survived the Mushroom war was Because Simon took Care of Marcelene who aloud Betty to travel to the Future!

[@marlowepup9863]

Curiously, why are you capitalizing random words?

[@lockskelington314]

@@marlowepup9863 wHy ArEn't yOu!?

[@oberonpanopticon]

⁠@@marlowepup9863I used to capitalize every word when I was younger, maybe it’s something like that?

[@marlowepup9863]

@@oberonpanopticon I've seen people do that too, and aside from Honestuck fans imitating Kanaya, I don't get why people do that

[@starchild199x]

​@@marlowepup9863MTOBSMBSCMBF

[@imnotkito6051]

The reason we see golb when Finn leaves pillow world is because Finn created a universe that doesn't exist through his spiritual projection, so once he left that world golb being the embodiment of chaos and nothingness was soon to be heading to that universe to return it back to nothing since the universe had no reason to be existing anymore now that Finn had left it. Which is why when Finn tried to explain what happened he couldn't remember because golb already erased it from existence. We see how golb causes chaos first in the last A.T episode so imagine that in pillow world before the sweet bliss of being returned to nothingness.

[@BenetteG]

That means the Jerry world will be erased too, since its existence was created by the lich's wish. Now that the lich was turned into a tetris block, the Jerry world no longer need to exist.

[@auburneytuckerson2959]

So THAT'S why he forgot! 😮

[@bam5469]

How did Finn create the pillow world. Why was Finn the centre aspect of it. And since it was consumed by Golb and forgotten, why wasn’t Margles forgotten when she was consumed?

[@thecousinwithaforesakentit1999]

I don’t believe that theory. I’m pretty sure the episode “The Lich” books says that two unrelated universes can become temporarily linked by naturally forming wormholes. It also says something about a “temporal synchronization” on both sides of the opening to allow the safe passage of particles between two non local regions of space time, which I’m pretty sure explains why time passes at different rates on both ends?

[@gurkha630]

​@isaiahcomfort2931i don't think youve seen fionna and cake yet

[@LJLvids]

You're wrong about the 'Jerry' universe. It's explained in 'crossover' that even if a wish is undone by someone else the magic still needs to go somewhere. This is why farmworld exists. Originally Finn's wish transformed Ooo into farmworld, but then Jake wish made it so that Finn never made his wish, thus farmworld because a paralel universe instead. Same with the litch he wished for the extinction of all life everywhere, but Finn undid that wish, the magic of that wish still had to go somewhere and thus it created 'jerry universe'. Also i don't think it's ever fully confirmed the lich is one of the primordials before time, i think it's more implied that he just has knowledge of the time before the universe, which to me seems reasonable for a being who is a scolar of Golb that he'd learn about that

[@Sleepy_Muse]

How do we know any of these things as absolute facts though, that’s what bothers me about all of this stuff I don’t remeber the show explaining half of the stuff you guys are talking about, and even then it seems like people are streatching the few things we DO get explained

[@LJLvids]

@@Sleepy_Muse i mean i don't disagree that i could be wrong, but i'm just going with what i remember what was explained by the characters in the show itself.

[@theark2.075]

There is a theory about a war between primordial beings, could it be that one side were the Scholars of Golb?

[@beanbagburrito]

Pretty sure the wishes just make a new Universe every time and put the wish maker in it, because in f&c prismo shows a bunch of universes and says "a wish made this universe" if it was just changing them he wouldn't need to make a new one

[@LJLvids]

@@beanbagburritono, i still think that depends on the wish. Otherwise there was no point to finn & jake stopping the lich's wish in the first place

[@Constant_Boredum]

I’ve been wondering, what if the monkey’s paw effect for the Lich’s dead world was his inability to find satisfaction in the destruction?

[@0nullnil]

:O

[@Ichiyama22]

Maybe. Extinction through a wish is a bit anticlimactic, especially considering that it was pretty much instant so the Lich couldn't even enjoy the moment

[@starchild199x]

Nah, he mentions to GOLB that his purpose was fulfilled so he felt there was nothing else for him. His existence was meaningless now that his reason to live is gone.

[@OmniversalInsect]

@@Ichiyama22 He did enjoy the moment, he laughed maniacally as he got transported to his wish world. But the moment didn't last long it seems.

[@bailey57401]

​@@OmniversalInsectHe enjoyed the brief feeling of victory like Megamind did when he thought he effortlessly killed Metroman, but like Megamind it didn't take long for him to realize that because the win was essentially handed to him that there's nothing else to do. He needs a system to decay in order to feel fulfilled, without one he feels he has no purpose.

[@viperxvii]

Super appreciated this. After Fiona and Cake, really needed a refresher on the deeper lore like the comets and Lich's origin.

[@UlyssesPSC]

something to point out: when Prismo first shows up and explains the Lich's wish, he says "guess it must've changed his timeline or something." in my mind, this basically confirms that "Jerry's" world from Fionna and Cake isn't the ORIGINAL Ooo timeline, but instead a cloned timeline much like Farmworld, only the split occurs much later on because the Lich was very direct, whereas Finn's wish had to be very roundabout.

[@username_ee]

This is something about Adventure Time that inspires my creativity so much

[@pinkydoughy]

the show is incredibly inspirational in every aspect!

[@4str0nut]

This might be one of my favorite analysis videos for the series, and i’ve seen a ton! Especially love how you connected Earth to being a “prison” for higher beings, but also as a place to grow and prosper for its more “normal” citizens. Everything was super informative and backed with evidence which made the video really easy to follow! Subbed :D

[@pokegard]

Golb makes me think of the eldrazi from magic the gathering, basically 3 titans that manifested in the void between worlds, and whose job seems to be finishing off dying world and returning it to the aether it came from(essence of creation basically)

[@carlosalbuquerque22]

Golb is basically Angra Mainyu from Zoroastrianism. They even reference the yashts, where the hero retrieves his brother from Mainyu's bowels much like Jake does to Finn and Simon.

[@pokegard]

@@carlosalbuquerque22 I didn’t know that, and thank you for telling me

[@carlosalbuquerque22]

@@pokegard You're welcome

[@dragonsknowledge8760]

love all the spirital and mythilogical aspects of this show. thisis a excillent break down and very well done!

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

Patience is Urgence Evergreen, not Simon. The being an elemental and name make it obvious.

[@kin768]

Someone else might have mentioned this but Martin wasn't related to the comets until he left with the purple one. It's based on the soul/spirit reincarnating not the blood line continuing And Simon isn't a reincarnation of evergreen, that's what the ice elemental is. Simon/Ice King is just a knock off elemental because of the crown

[@nomnom137]

And to think some people (who probably didnt bother watching the show) like to believe that lazy theory that everything is just in the head of a comatosed Finn, completely downplaying how deep and intricate this show’s lore actually is.

[@Faris-xj3wu]

I mean, it's a theme in adventure time that dreams can create universes and even multiverses, so even if the comatosed finn theory is true, everything he dreamed off would still happen one way or another

[@isaacjosephh]

im honestly so grateful this is the show i grew up with. adventure time has helped me grow in my spiritual journey and i love looking into all the different stories that went way over my head as a kid. fantastic video!

[@AdamTehranchiYT]

The layers one can experience in Adventurer Time is one of the (many) reasons it's a great show. The idea that immortal souls exist in an experience cycle that also exists with "poots on newts for stealing boots." Is something that most creatives strive for.

[@dragonsknowledge8760]

love the video!!!!! great job Deepcut!

[@Mr_x_Squid]

If the lych really wanted to achieve his goal, he should have wished for golb to reach Prismo's Time Room

[@emeraldpichu1]

You know, I just realized they made some huge retcon shenanigans with the crown in the last episode. You have to remember that Evergreen was super arrogant so he designed the crown to judge the soul and grant their truest wish because he assumed that he was pure of heart and could put the world above his desires, which is something that would’ve burned them, even without Gunther using the crown, something the other elementals pretty much told him would happen. But then, in the finale instead of judging Betty, it just takes a request that needs multiple tries because of reasons, constraints and blah blah excuses. But if they had been consistent with the crown, it would’ve just grabbed her wish to be with Simon teleport of them somewhere where they could be together forever and you know doom the rest of Ooo.

[@jeanduresau]

No what's happening is that those first two wishes were against Golb, and they didn't work because you can wish Golb away or making him not exists, the crown was failing to do the wishes

[@emeraldpichu1]

@@jeanduresau but think about it Gunther didn’t ask for a wish it just read his heart and understood his desire to be his masters equal and created a perverse translation of that. Why did Betty have to ask for her wish specifically when it would’ve done the same? Betty like Evergreen it’s not a perfect being who can control their heart. There’s no way that the truest wish in her heart wasn’t just to be with Simon and not this self-sacrificing protection gambit she pulled out when her other request failed.

[@chopp6587]

@emeraldpichu1 But where would they be teleported to? A new universe? Does the crown even have that power? It can't be somewhere in Ooo because the mere presence of golb in the universe of Ooo means it will be erased, so golb had to be sent back somehow. I still kinda agree that it was retconed tho. Probably for the sake of drama, which isn't really bad.

[@emeraldpichu1]

@@chopp6587 if it can, ensnare the soul of the primordial chaos god then it can move someone across the Multiverse

[@space_planet]

3:52 i disagree cause all the jewels in that universes crown was in the crown and not outside of the candy kingdom and the crown was in the drum when we know it wasn't cause ice king was wearing it and also the crown jewels was outside of the candy kingdom

[@leahlemieux]

I just have to say a huge THANK YOU for making this video. I love this show, especially because of the deeper messages contained within. I really appreciate your take on this, including these aspects that I think likely mean a lot to the makers of this show--part of what makes Adventure Time such a treasure. 💖

[@ppp.stersk1]

Before I even watch this I wanna say this whole episode, this whole series. Was a masterpiece. Like if your a religion nerd and a mythology nerd like myself and you see simon and his interaction with betty and you know all these books that talk about man and god and how they commune it’s just beautiful. It’s a beautiful take on how people evolve and how evolution on the metaphysical and on the physical coexist. Betty had much time to think as Golb, and Simon had much time to think as a normal man in Ooo. It’s insane to see how much that comparison was laid out even in the symbolism from how she sits in front of him as if paying him barely any attention and then after showing him the truth standing before him to show how she’s changed, all while he has the halo of enlightenment behind him. Just insane all around. Sorry for the paragraphs I just couldn’t wait to see a vid like this.

[@ppp.stersk1]

Bangerrr video

[@kevincraig6794]

Golb is like the Eldrazi from Magic the gathering or maybe Alioth from the Loki Time Keepers timeline. Or like someone else mentioned Ahriman from Zoroastrianism or maybe even Kali Ma from Hinduism...

[@ruesvenus]

You did a great job on this video.

[@DissonantSynth]

Fantastic video!

[@helpingtheworld5019]

We have the intelligence to shape things how we want them. Such an important thing in the real world

[@joserubenrodriguezfuentes]

One of My Nieces is 18 She likes Fantasy Stuff HP Harry Potter and SO On And I Would like to Introduce Her to HP Lovecraft Stuff So I can Introduce Her into Cthulhu Mythos Throught Adventure Time Lore....

[@christopherhancock1723]

Dam, I knew this show was deep; but I didn't know it was this deep.

[@PumpkinInTheSnow]

As a kid I didn't get that these shows had a plot greater than each shape because I always watch them out of order when they randomly popped up

[@boukabazooka9588]

7:05 don’t talk about my moms yo

[@Nik37346]

That's some good writing about some good writing ❤

[@Har.Dmouth]

bender being in an ep had me thinking this is in the world futurama they also have mutants in the sewer and bender got lost in time until he reached the future after futurama lost him in the time travel episode

[@dragonation1733]

Not to be that person, but I'm pretty sure the first mention of it was when finn and Jake found the tapes used for movie night, and they found the warning. Jake said that the tapes were from before the mushroom wars

[@bam5469]

I don’t think Evergreen is Simon. Elementals can only reincarnate as elementals. Ice king isn’t an elemental as he lives at the same time as patience st Pim. When Marciline and Bubblegum go into the crows circuitry, Gunters spirit is still there, separate from Finn aswell

[@kaikuutamo]

Wow! Insane amount of research.

[@thedungeon9992]

This kinda remind of Lorenzo I think that was his name in fallout 4 where he find a ancient artifact & then the war pop off . It also gives him power.

[@Uranium238Gaming]

Todays mission. Write down all the adventure time lore so that in a view thousand years when new civilisations find it, adventure time will become a religion

[@mortenosmann2213]

Creators: *creates a silly cartoon* Reviewers: "THIS EXPLAINS THE MEANING OF LIFE AND DEATH LET ME TALK ABOUT IT FOR HOURS*

[@Asura_editz16]

Can you do final space? Please. It’s a show that no one knows about

[@kategiecasseus9958]

25:05 theyre just like me fr

[@samkuniyoshi]

someone loving you like betty loved simon

[@sinistergarfield]

Simon is definitely not the reincarnation of Evergreen. He only resembles him because of the crown. Hes not the ice elemental because he would have had the innate ability without the crown. (Even if lessened) Not to mention that it explicity states that Patience St. Pim WAS the ice elemental during Simons lifetime before the crown. (She freezes herself right before the mushroom war). Theres no evidence that one being can reincarnate into two people. Simon only took on the role as "the ice elemental" during patience"s frozen era. He loses his ice powers at the end of the original series and Gunther takes up the role via crown for the forseeable future.

[@socialismwithchinesecharac3938]

Amazing Vid!

[@TeeKeeps]

You couldn't have said this any better.

[@humourlessjester3584]

I wonder if Butterfly Finn had their wing cut off leading to the tradition of his next live's arms getting cut off?

[@lemsuu]

BEST VIDEO EVER

[@wildkiller63]

Wishing for golbetty to squash me so I can no longer exist 😅😢

[@darientellez73]

He got one fact wrong, at least from my perspective, the Lich is not a primordial monster from The Sea of Golden Monsters, my first point being that he doesn’t share the golden color scheme of the other primordial monsters like Orgalorg or Coconteppi, it’s made blatantly obvious that he’s a physical manifestation of one of the Catalyst Comets which, despite being ancient themselves, are not primordial monsters.

[@donotevenlook]

I think blockes around the Golb is all time lines of the Lich. Their end is same

[@JGandthe2kk]

Thank you

[@achildofGod36]

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

[@hibbs1712]

I see content covering non-canon AT, I close the video.

[@ossamaabdusalam830]

Damn so we really all got that Finn in us if you think about it

[@cccantv6457]

It's all still chaos.

[@BrickChick]

Um isn't ooo the planet earth in the future after the mushroom wars?

[@mrjakeguy14]

I went through the comments expecting to see church christians defending the biblical metaphor about how being made in the image of God means we have the ability to change fate. I can say from experience this is the actual meaning of that phrase. Nice to see someone pointing that out.

[@evansmcheaven2749]

I'mso fan of the aniùation at the end. What's the name of thesong

[@nickmilano2516]

I think they should’ve made ever green and all the people in the past a little more weird like you don’t expect him to have books 10000000000000000000000 and way more decades ago even if those guys are really powerful and smart it just feels like they should’ve made them a little more weirder like they shouldn’t even have the same language as us

[@BlackMoonHowls]

"Nuclear" is our universe's DBZ equal to the "Kaio-Ken", NOBODY can pronounce it right. Ever. Edit: You've effectively unveiled the mysteries of our Universe by explaining the nature of Heaven and Hell being mythos and a human understanding of Reincarnation or something like it spiritually. I personally believe in Gnosticism and Spirituality; I am after all Pagan and Wicca. Why Earth seems like a never-ending cesspool of crime and sin, why the Stars are so pure and untouched by man. Why we don't have the technology nor the capability to live that long to escape. Why one of my friends suddenly and seemingly for no reason disappeared off of the face of the planet one day mysteriously vanishing without a single trace WITH memories of them still in the minds of the people that knew them. It was not like they vanished and all memory but mine was gone because that was not that case... The only way out is growth, some wholesome real growth as individuals. There were here to teach me some things and then move on, it didn't matter how long they had been living before that. They were waiting for me to come around and then tell me what needed to be said and then move on from this plane. I believe they said they were a "faery" just before they ghosted me handing me a book and then the very next day, poof gone with the wind they were. Strangest thing I ever seen, and other people would I talk to about it gives me this weird look as if they had seen a ghost too and try to pass it off as something else, but why though? More experience, less of the evils and machinations of mankind. I like it it's beautiful.

[@L337f33t]

Kaio what?

[@caw1539]

Ooo is a continent If you look at the astral plane episode starman and glob refer to the planet as earth

[@Sir_Squirrelington_III]

While I know we dont know much about it, I feel like the nightosphere would have been relevant to this video.

[@paidoffkash]

Day by day I realize how true Gnosticism really is

[@itz_jur0330]

5:19 GOOD

[@michaelkaru4505]

Why do they say oh my glob instead of oh my golb

[@DylanRouse]

Is the catalysts comment or the mushroom war what change Ooo

[@samarasufian3683]

Wow 🤩

[@literallyme7222]

Just finished adventure time and here i am 😢😢😢😢

[@GamerPro-he1dq]

I love adventure Time I’m glad I got a preop from your channel like I got a refresher course but I do want to say something I’m just hoping this but at the same time I feel like this is true. This is all fake because like you said about the film, Fiona and Finn I feel like that was an alternate universe that because he was an old man and that one and Jake died in that one also if you watch Fiona and Kate, you would probably also realize why is Finn with Jake and they’re all grown up so my theory is I don’t think they’re dead. I think stop being around Finn because he realize they had a fight or something I don’t know, and because Finn is already crazy so maybe his psycho logic made Jake dead in his mind because of Jake has been gone for so many years and then when he seen Jake, on the adventure again that’s my theory on it. I hope it’s true. Honestly, I don’t care I just wish I just stop making shows because I don’t want to know the character die. Yes I don’t want to show to end, but I’d rather have it ending than having the characters be dead in my mind because I like having the characters always around a piece of me because it was a piece of all of us when we grow up with something stick in our mind we don’t want it to end we don’t want to know they’re dead so I’m gonna believe that this was an alternative universe I just like and Kate, when it first showed up, we didn’t know it was an alternate universe at the time I mean probably everyone knew was on our universe but we thought I thought at least that they re-created the whole show and was saying that was gonna be the new show and I was watching I’m actually watching it because I didn’t wanna watch Fiona and Kate but I’m re-watching the episodes that I miss. I thought they were getting rid of adventure time and so I was gonna be Fiona and Kate time but yeah just saying I’m so happy that I don’t think they’re dead. I think it’s an alternate universe, or that was in the future they died. I don’t know all I know is I don’t think Jake was dead because it wouldn’t make sense. Why was Finn and Jake and Fiona and Kate fighting a bird for no reason I have never seen that in one of their episodes I mean I haven’t seen all their episodes you know I told you I stopped watching it so I’m watching it now but I don’t think that was an episode. I don’t remember I seen all the trailers at least I don’t remember that trailer but I love the dog. Do I also like Finn, but theythe best characters I think they’re just gonna kill the show for me so I just hope and pray that my theory is correct

[@NekoNekonoTabiTabi]

what if glob is just martin in the far2 future?

[@herrrigean8316]

Adventure time reminds me of the ancient Vedic beliefs of the indo-aryan culture.

[@aaronochoa7573]

Why do I feel like I just watched elden ring the cartoon

[@ReportWeather-t5e]

rather than finn being the original gunther, i think its more like in every era there, is someone who fills that role. They're reincarnations, but more like the role is being reincarnated. if that made any sense.

[@kennedyelizabd]

I really don't think Finn is Gunther reincarnated tbh

[@gabrielnavia-d3m]

8:08 hm

[@Jamilbaker12]

Boom

[@sebastiangelbert3637]

woah

[@hydrowolf1]

In fionna and cake the lich is in a dead world what if the original adventure time world died but a copy was made of the world and lich

[@rosebudsavesacat]

God it’s like someone’s trying to explain theoretical physics to me but the edible just kicked in

[@JohnDoe-g1h]

I swear edibles make complex academic topics like that way easier for me while taking away my common sense lol

[@SadSkeletonSFM]

For anyone wondering about the term “Monkeys paw effect” is based off of a writing by W. W. Jacobs. The writing is a story where a family obtain a Mummified Monkey’s Paw that grants wishes to those who hold it. Unfortunately the wish comes at a very terrible price. As an example the family wished for 10 pounds (I think it was 10). Later their son goes to work and his co worker goes to his house an hour later delivering the news that their son got caught in the machinery and died. The company as a gift if apology gave them *10 pounds*.

[@christabelle__]

200 pounds, but close!

[@SadSkeletonSFM]

@@christabelle__ 190 off lol 😅

[@bluecoconut9543]

Yea I remember reading that story in high school lol

[@SadSkeletonSFM]

@@bluecoconut9543 I read it in middle school lmao

[@BTKYG]

​@@SadSkeletonSFM Me too

[@carlosalbuquerque22]

Golb is basically Angra Mainyu from Zoroastrianism. They even reference the yashts, where the hero retrieves his brother from Mainyu's bowels much like Jake does to Finn and Simon.

[@CartoonUniverse]

That is brilliant, I Didn't make that connection

[@carlosalbuquerque22]

@@CartoonUniverse Thanks! It's pretty obscure, but it seems clear as day to me.

[@CartoonUniverse]

I love what I've read on Zoroastrianism, but its something I'm always trying to dig more into, the only texts I've really jumped in on were some of the apocalyptic stuff, but I always loved that idea of leading Angra Mainyu into a trap.@@carlosalbuquerque22

[@carlosalbuquerque22]

@@CartoonUniverse Yeah. I recommend the yashts and the Shahnameh

[@Daniel-ew5qf]

Also in the book where Golb is portrayed, the chicken-snake hybrid (Malus) on the left page of the book seems to be heavily inspired by Abraxas, a gnostic entity. The letters A, B, X, S around it hints at that fact too. Though I'm still watching the video as I comment this, so they might have commented on this later on in the video

[@pseudoplotinus]

This postmodern fantasy masterpiece went from like an 8/10 to a 10/10 the moment the narrative and episodes started becoming more spiritual and cosmic. It's just layers and layers of the most interesting concepts of literature and general entertainment of all time all put together.

[@DarkshadowXD63]

The greatest tragedy of this series is we never got a full fledged open world game. I've always wanted a open world game exploring the land of Ooo

[@_Abdo.]

you can try some fan games

[@Greyscal3d]

Yes. Though I think the extent of Ooo’s universe means it might take literal centuries to make

[@SrGanso-tv6mw]

The closest thing we have now is the Minecraft mash-up pack.

[@usgaelhimmelstropfen7463]

Thought honestly, that would be super hard. Just trying to create a system for the abilities, races, and even mapping out the the world of ooo itself. Doubt that anyone would make a really good open world game of adventure time any time soon.

[@bluecoconut9543]

Probably not an open world game but maybe a dungeon crawler or something would be delectable.

[@Blueninja-xt4ci]

I want to point out a few things. First of all, the catalysts comets are the embodiment of certain aspects of the universe. The green one is the embodiment of evil and extinction, which was reincarnated into the lich. The blue one that hit Earth not to long ago after the mushroom war is the embodiment of good, who is now Finn. The reason why the blue one hit was because it was to counteract the Lich. Also, it is theorized that the Lich was a primordial who was killed and get reincarnated as a catalyst comet. Meanwhile, Finn was never one. Also, not everyone on Earth is a catalyzes comet, only certain people are.

[@Blueninja-xt4ci]

Also, I want to add that all souls have the choose to reincarnation, however, certain ones have no choose and have to reincarnate. Like Finn and Jake, because Finn is a catalyst comet and Jake is Finn's soulmate. (Soulmate as in they will always find each other in each life, not the lover kind.)

[@ark7806]

The Lich being a Primordial theory falls apart when you remember that Primordials can't really die. The Lich died and his soul ended up in the Deadworld. The way I see it, Scholars of GOLB are different from Primordials

[@mertensiam3384]

@@Blueninja-xt4ci Jake is implied to be a catalyst comet as well, being someone that always reincarnates, is deeply tied with catalyst comet reincarnations such as Finn and The Lich, and has extremely powerful abilities such as his (now inactive) imagination powers being able to warp reality. He seems to embody creativity, and we know there was a yellow catalyst comet as well

[@trollverse171]

They, as their names imply, are catalysts in which major changes in the world happens whenever one appears.

[@dr.emerald8844]

Right

[@emeraldpichu1]

Gunther’s problem wasn’t a lack of intelligence, but a lack of love. It’s not that he misunderstood, who Evergreen was or what was being asked of him he just didn’t have the emotional growth to be able to make a wish unencumbered by all the suffering he had faced in his life from an uncaring, father figure who used them more as a tool than a person. I don’t know why you’re claiming that Gunther was basically a talking fish when it’s pretty clear his problem is that he was naïve, because Evergreen didn’t even bother, teaching him anything beyond doing his manual labor.

[@offspringfan100]

None of that is relevant when you realize the crown not just grants a wish, but grants someone's deepest wish. I think the crown's creator truly wanted to save the world by stopping the comet. Gunter's deepest desire was to be just like his father. His physical change shows his mental age and naivety

[@emeraldpichu1]

@@offspringfan100 sure but the thing is he was claiming that Gunther was a barely cognizant animal who could not comprehend things. I think he was just being an evergreen apologist, but Evergreen doesn’t deserve the forgiveness of pretending that Gunther was less than an order to justify why his harebrained scheme failed in the first place

[@Lee-of4gt]

this

[@rileybrandt8015]

I don’t think that Simon is a reincarnate of Evergreen because Simon isn’t an elemental. They also don’t share the same ideals. Even though both tried to save their world, Simon was doing it for the good of the world while Evergreen was doing it for self preservation, similar to his actual reincarnate, Patience St. Pim. Patience freezes herself so she doesn’t die which is self preservation. I don’t hate this video but there’s definitely a lot of thing’s incorrect

[@cardboard.sp00n19]

Simon could be a candidate to being an elemental though, not inheriting the innate powers because Patience St. Pim kept herself alive.

[@woolyisnowhere]

@@cardboard.sp00n19 actually patience was from the same time period as Simon so I don't see how that would work

[@bakunutters]

@@cardboard.sp00n19it was confirmed by patience that simon isn't an elemental, as his powers stem from the wish of the crown, not the crown itself or from an elemental proficiency.

[@jeanduresau]

​@@cardboard.sp00n19Patience Pim was from the same time as Simon....

[@jacquestube]

Evergreen wanted to he could have put himself into a globe

[@kennethsatria6607]

Damn its weird I never thought of Gunther not wanting to be Orgalorg again when I saw that episode,for some reason I keep thinking of the characters as one fixed being despite that obviously not being the case for Sweet Pea and Gunther and that they basically want to break their cycles of being stuck as the same beings they were for eons. I guess he loved being a penguin so much, and Ice King too despite being annoyed by him, explaining the ice crown being reset as a wish granter again making him into "Ice Thing" and that is actually quite wholesome to think about.

[@honeycrisp808]

It's really sweet that the original Gunther wish turned the crown's wearer into a maniac who bosses around "gunthers", but Simon was such a good person that he ended up treating the "gunthers" well. And that led to Gunther's wish to be like Ice King, showing us just how highly the penguins thought of him.

[@SlapStyxStudioz]

I think Prismos boss is GLOB. Glob is used as a replacement for God in many phrases so it would makes sense. Also GLOB would be maybe an opposite to GOLB.

[@issamood52]

I’m not sure if it’s glob

[@outrowed]

Stop spreading out ridiculous speculation. I think you're confusing Glob here. Glob is character from Adventure Time. He is one of the deity from Mars, and he is generally seen as God because of his legends, stories, and his heroism in Mars. The phrase "Oh my Glob" and other god phrases are popularized by the Candy people who believe and worship in Glob. (They also got a whole church of him) Glob is not Prismo's boss, and definitely not the opposite of GOLB, as Glob and GOLB is completely unrelated at all, aside from similar appearance in red and diamond-shaped head.

[@bailey57401]

Well it's confirmed that Orbo is Prismo's (and Scarab's) boss, but whoever Orbo answers to would likely be the creator of the multiverse

[@Different_wilson]

​@@bailey57401that would be the cosmic imagination, which is orbo's boss

[@coconuts1483]

⁠@@outrowedmaybe do a bit more research b4 writing people off. Golb seems to based off of zoroastrianism, and in that religion there are 2 central deities in which they cancel each other out. If golb is the chaos and the anti god, i see not reason why glob cant be a benevolent creator. Get your head of out of your ass.

[@sleepninja2350]

That was a super insightful breakdown. I absolutely love the idea that Gunther and evergreen are Simon and Finn incarnations. It really connects their dynamics and tragedies in a satisfying way imo

[@placeboobshere5458]

Why would Simon be a reincarnation of evergreen? The show makes it clear that patience is the reincarnation of evergreen.

[@pinklemons7254]

Tbh I feel like Simon is a descendant of Evergreen while patience is an actual Reincarnation of evergreen.

[@KonradKp-h6p]

Evergreen is the ice elemental which means he reincarnates with he's latest reincarnation being Patience St. Pim so Simon can't be he's reincarnation

[@chinnuatluri]

This is such a great video explaining the mythology and philosophy of Adventure Time. It made me understand the spiritual meaning on a deeper level and appreciate the creative genius of it more. Thank you so much. 💚

[@kevincraig6794]

Ive studied the world religions, and Ive had my own experiences with the other side on dmt and such things. This show was made with a lot of spiritual and heady stuff baked right in, and I feel the character arcs are beyond what one would expect to find in a "kid show". Such a good piece of cinema/art. What a time to be alive to experience it!

[@shadowki5687]

Golb is literally just a machine that has no resaon or purpose, only a function that he carries out or waits till he can and i love it

[@dndhydrate]

There's some interesting theories presented in this, but I admit there's a bit of inconsistency between quite a bit of them. Especially in the case of how the wish room operates with the creation of realities, and stuff surrounding reincarnation and comets.

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

The lich’s wish probably didnt even kill all life in the original universe, as why would that one be the only large-scale wish to actually affect it

[@rainbowquartz9513]

Life and Death and Love and Birth and Peace and War on the Planet Earth.

[@code122]

This is a really good breakdown and gives me a lot of new perspective to think about, good job. I think the only one I can truly counter is within the comets description, gunter the dinosaur is not really finn because the blue comet has not hit the earth yet. Or a you saying that the comet not hitting the earth is irrelevant since farmworld finn also has been born even when the comet misses. You could say that the comet can reincarnated in the future and the past even without hitting the earth thus creating finn gunther? XD

[@goldalien2016]

Golb does feel somewhat like a Hindu God, some sort of destroyer, but not necessarily in an evil way, just as part of the great cycle of creation and destruction.

[@Oaksulpha]

9:58 wait a second I thought his legs were his hands and I didn't notice the little hands

[@cian.o]

When I was a little kid, I thought all the war stuff in the background felt strange, not knowing what it meant. The Lich king episode felt so weird, it was dark and not like the usual goofy adventure.

[@catattack885]

My theory is that lich was once a giant in a world of giants before discovering the dark magic of chaos and being corrupted by it, this is why sweet p is a giant, this was his fate along with all others of his kind and the end of the first ever time. This theory is supported by the fact that these primordials are essentially gods and / or demons and it could be playing off of Greek mythology, where the gods were giants and are descended from giants, though ones that managed to harness or could innately use the powers of the universe that be.

[@billypillypersonalEE]

Sweet p was a giant because he was born from Billy’s skeleton possessed by the lich and Billy was a giant.

[@catattack885]

@@billypillypersonalEE oh ok

[@deondrex18k]

​@@catattack885don't feel shut down your theory was cool

[@catattack885]

@@deondrex18k oh ok