Case 174: Vicki Arnold and Julie-Anne Leahy

[@goldstar846]

What an incredibly tragic occurrence. Shocking police work. How can this not be corrected?? Vanessa, thank you and all the best with your book. xx

[@Adrian-zd4cs]

Wow. This is one your top stories yet!! Such in depth coverage.

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[@danrobinson572]

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[@Andrew-ri5qo]

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[@cynthiagibson3069]

Oncea man wanted for murder in another city walked though my back yard. When I called authorities they didn't want to hear it

[@arleccio]

1:49:37 That doesn't mean anything if the information wasn't really available until years after the guys death. Plus, Hazel readily changed the day when her memory didn't fit the timeline. Her original story already sounded like she imagined it would have been the missing women after learning they were missing. If she was right then Julies kids are wrong about her habit to go fishing in the middle of the night. I'm fairly certain the older ones would remember their mother only being home in time to send them off to school regularly. The only reason it even slightly fits in is the gun. And only because no one knows who she bought it for. But if they had been there after a night of fishing, how did they end up where they did? If Vicki normally wore glasses, why would she leave them behind? People noticing that she left them behind means she usually wore them or kept them close. They're not dressed for the weather but that wasn't what Hazel noticed. Not a word that they were severely underdressed. If they had been fishing all night in those clothes they'd be frozen by the time they entered the shop. She noticed none of that. Just that the guy her husband knew was less friendly and didn't want to wait. I don't think Hazel saw Vicki and Julie and she only thought it must be them after learning they went missing that day and after learning who the guy was from her husband. I don't think she's lying but memory can be weird. And it sounds like she's the only one bringing that guy into the mix. I think Alan was involved. He is the only one with a reasonably clear motive. At least for his wife. If you can answer the why's and who's surrounding Vickis actions you could probably solve the case. But wether or not she helped kill Julie, I don't believe she killed herself. Everything about the situation in the car points to at least a third person.

[@ta-b7621]

As soon as I heard the Chris Dunlea theory I had no doubt he was involved. He was a bad bad baaaaad dude.

[@4Flix-vn1tu]

Oh yeah. Most definitely. Glad I'm not the only one.

[@TheInvestiGatorYT]

Have this on my list of cases to cover on my channel. So excited to see it here, great research!

[@Jimmytheman1]

Oh my god! I’ve been so looking forward to another Casefile podcast...I’m hooked on true crime at the moment and Casefile always delivers...

[@amandasiddle6571]

Fab nice long episode thanku casefile missed u last week xxx

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You're voice is just right for these types of stories.

[@kimberlymarino7344]

This was excellent! Very well researched and very well told. Now that I'm subbed I will be listening to your content ever chance I get. My daughter gave me a sleep mask that has Bluetooth headphones in it and I used it for the first time tonight and chose this to play as I fell asleep...Well I'm still awake lol. This was much too interesting to fall asleep during. I dozed off a few times and had to rewind!😉

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Phew , I was starting to twitch with the wait , thanks Casefile 👏

[@misao6397]

Thanks for these great podcasts! Haven't listened to this one yet, but I always expect quality and you always deliver.

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Great episode, Casefile. Wow, what a case.

[@SHurd-rc2go]

Superb work. Thank you.

[@nancychisholm5399]

Waking up to Casefile, a bodum of coffee and a purring Morticia...Saturday May 8th is good!

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

A Bodum of coffee, thats a realy nice expression. Never heard it before. It is strange because we Swedes drink, per capita, most caffee in the world and Bodum being made in Denmark and all. I will start to use that in some way. Thank you for enriching my language skills 😊 Boring fact _There's this lake in Finland called Lake Bodum in Esbo and in 1960 two girls and one boy was ruthlessly murdered there during a camping trip. The crime is still unsolved._

[@nancychisholm5399]

@@DEATH-THE-GOAT thank you for the compliment. I started using the expression to describe the amount of coffee I drink to kickstart my day. My brother gave me a four mug size one years ago and I love it. Canadian here!

[@ktcooki276]

How much IS a BODUM please?!! Tsst...this got auto-corrected not 'FORUM' 3 times!!!🇬🇧 😊

[@nancychisholm5399]

@@ktcooki276 In Canada they are between $19.99 to $29.99 depending on size. I have the large one LOL

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

@@ktcooki276 or do you mean volym? Then I would say 8 dl

[@rkh7904]

I just feel so sad for Vicky, that she had to endure all she has from the abuse of that predator, the loss of her sister and a woman she considered an aunt who was quickly blamed for the murder. To the lazy work of the police under pressure with budget restraints imposed upon them by beaurocrats with no idea the harm they do. I hope Vicky finds peace.

[@Happinosis]

Awesome episode, thank you 🙏

[@paulcoleman3081]

More proof that many individuals who rise to positions of power within the police and related authorities should be the very last individuals to hold those positions.

[@curiouscath7629]

Hey from Nth Qld✌️ I was thinking about this tragedy the other day... wondering if they'd ever figured out who did it ..my heart goes out to the families..not only dealing with loss but that creep manipulating and abusing the girls an the crap rumours..best wishes... awesome btw🍷

[@MrTabitha09]

The husband was having an affair with her sister. He killed them

[@jaccusefashion]

R.I.P Julie and Vicki.

[@cerisewolfeah]

God, it's so upsetting knowing that we'll never know for sure what happened and the families won't get proper closure and/or justice because of police incompetence and administration, and Alan casting this long shadow over everyone that people felt scared or too intimidated to come forward with what they did know. It's awful what happened to them regardless, and awful what Alan did to both Vanessa and Margaret.

[@SHurd-rc2go]

And, freed!!!

[@rhys9191]

Alan is my uncle. He was falsely accused. he was depressed for ages and 2 or 3 years ago he committed suicide.

[@GenZedsMother]

@@rhys9191he didn’t want to go to jail for the rest of his life.

[@VladRadu-tq1pg]

stop the cap ...also he was a piece of garbage@@rhys9191

[@melmazing3993]

Thanks dude! 2 hours I'm set 😁🥳

[@louisakeen9316]

A good and sensitive discussion of a grim incident. It wasn't clear, though, how the gun-for-hire could have lured the two women out of the house at night in unsuitable clothing, or how they ended up trying to buy pastries at 7.45 the next morning, apparently not being under threat from him at that time. Where had they been with him for the ten or so hours since they left the house? Also, the brutality of the attack against Julie would suggest that she was killed by someone close to her, given that Vicki was shot but not otherwise brutalised. Only a resentful husband or lover would inflict that kind of overkill.

[@user-is3dy7rp2e]

It’s pretty sad that anyone that listened to this case could of figured out it wasn’t what the cops thought. There should be trials for the police that did such a horrible job, it’s feel criminal like they helped the killer.

[@SukiSays23]

We should all be so fortunate as to have friends like Alan. Any one of us would’ve been put under the jail 20x over. Shockingly shoddy police work + cops afraid to speak up = a deliberate coverup. There is ALWAYS a reason when disastrous incompetence like this is allowed to stand. Horrible.

[@blahblahblah2699]

That was a roller coaster!

[@wiebkescantick947]

This is tragic on so many levels. I can't imagine what the family members of both women went through and probably still continue to deal with. The uncertainty of who was actually responsible will haunt them for life. I hope that they can find some sense of peace.

[@icequeen9417]

So sad all the victim never saw justice done. 😢

[@pikeman80]

The longer it takes to solve a case or the rush to blame someone the more likely its a cop or someone paying off a cop

[@annegiorgio5602]

Headlights and heater would not still be on after a few days unless the ignition had been turned on recently

[@audrahartman4212]

Mind boggling as to how this story unfolded… tragedy all around.

[@lenafranklin7262]

Never take anything for face value. Relationships are complex and challenging. And change constantly. Rest in peace together 🌺🌺

[@thisbirdhasflown2554]

heartbreaking story

[@JulieLeach-n3m]

Are you serious they couldn't take a dam ink pad and take fingerprints from the women's hands 😢😢

[@jaehus1971]

Please could you do a video on the White House Farm Murders in the UK? Thank you

[@texastea5686]

The one thing I don't understand is: Hazel mentioned how the women were with an impatient man, Chris in her store. She didn't mention that the women looked nervous or scared around him. Did I miss something?

[@robyn7287]

Perhaps perhaps perhaps. No one will ever know. My thoughts are with the families and especially the women who were abused. I hope you can find peace someday.

[@chavocinco]

I love your podcasts, I love falling asleep to them….. When the commercials come on, the volume and cadence changes…and wakes me up. So then I have to fast forward:( Please please can’t the ads be at the end????

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Mengele??? How unlucky can you be with a surname like that 😭

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Bit hostile? It's only human nature to make connections in this way...it's an evolutionary useful trait for self-preservation. It's absolutely nothing about 'German people'...just one name, with one unfortunate connection, see??? No swearing required. And I think Osama probably has the same subconscious effect... Peace...and calmmmm!🇬🇧

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Not liking the intrusive ads at all.Not worth it

[@elizabethroberts6215]

……could you please do a Case on the murder, wrongly thought suicide, of Jennifer TANNER in Victoria, Australia………

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[@John-bu2xt]

People are just Evil

[@Binki-Beloved]

Can’t continue with the multiple adverts I’m getting out… alas

[@brendajstevens3719]

👏👏👏

[@CC21200]

The authorities sounded corrupt from the start.

[@lenafranklin7262]

Alan was Vanessa's brother in law. There would never be a "father / daughter" relationship between such person's. She wasn't that much younger than him either. And it took her "years" to think oh maybe Alan killed her sister and Vicki?? It took me 5 minutes.and Chris was probably Alan's friend from prison.

[@twelvesmylimit]

Helpful comment for the algorithm. 👍

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

Those are the best comments. And by answering you also I feeds tge algorythm :)

[@twelvesmylimit]

Indeed. Thanks,@@DEATH-THE-GOAT 👍

[@patedwards8844]

Yes

[@Maligroot]

Thanks, Mate 👍 off to bed 🇦🇺

[@james449g]

Adverts too long

[@mollygibson4402]

Does anybody else think there is a bit too much Vanessa in a story?! I understand the need for an abuse victim to address their ordeal to reach healing but, to my mind, there was a bit too much of Vanessa in this story pulling blanket to her side .

[@sacrosanctharlot6482]

The same thoughts crossed my mind. Perhaps the point of mentioning Vanessa so much was only to establish what kind of man Alan was, but all the talk of Vanessa made it cross my mind that she would be implicated in the crime at some point through manipulation by Alan.

[@lenafranklin7262]

I still think Alan and Chris arranged to kill these women.

[@Jimmy100series]

So many dam adds you greedy bunch!

[@feeman3345]

Thanks. Anita Cobby. Can anyone explain, from a males point of view, what makes sex so attractive that age, gender, relation or right or wrong goes out the window? Why is this such a prevalent attitude amongst men? That women are sex toys.....

[@lenafranklin7262]

Wait a second, Alan met Julie when he was 23 and he was 28 when he killed her. So he wasn't the father to all of the children. It's good to have a clear understanding of how and when relationships begin etc. I thought he was the 10 year olds father but he wasn't. How could he take the children, if they weren't all his and he had sexual activity with teenagers?..it doesn't make much sense. Julie had children with another man not just Alan.

[@lenafranklin7262]

This is in Queensland, often winter there is not cold. Wearing thongs is normal ...my brain is ticking away listening to this case..

[@GenZedsMother]

It was supposedly minus 1 that night which I didn’t think possible for the tropics

[@bluechurch776]

I agree with Vanessa, Alan had something to do with the murder. He was a horrible pedophile who hurt some beautiful souls.

[@lenafranklin7262]

I think Vanessa and Alan were having an affair. Julie wasn't stupid and found out ...that's just a theory, she confided in Vicki and they arranged to get a gun. In the end the gun was used on them.

[@Tina06019]

It’s not an affair if the younger partner is a minor, it’s a CRIME.

[@ell8228]

👌👌

[@pikeman80]

Minus 1.7 is cold? When I was in school I walked there in minus 48.

[@rolandperlitz8508]

who tf cares that you were one of those 0.01% of people who walked to schools in -48 celsius.

[@GenZedsMother]

I don’t know what video games they were playing in 1989

[@SymmetricsAudio]

NES, maybe old Atari games? There were others too.

[@terriquinlan7683]

I don't get the use of the qualifier, " only a few years".

[@Jolenesmart1980]

19:20 and 57:00 putting an “A” in again for no reason and A Julie Anne - instead of just Julie Ann as it’s supposed to be

[@SHurd-rc2go]

Italian heritage? Listen for it after a word ending in 'd'. I think it's charming.

[@leahstone9308]

I’m currently catching up on this relatively-new-to-me podcast, and your prolonged fixation with trivial elocutionary idiosyncrasies, doggedly pursued under videos about all manner of horrible tragedies, is pretty amusing to me (sorry for the thread necro, just had to say)

[@voiceofreason1208]

Why did my comment get censored? There was no profanity or vulgarity in it at all. Literally just said that I was only 30 minutes in and wondering why it was ruled a murder-suicide when no one shoots themselves in the back of the head. 3 hours later my comment has been removed.

[@jerrymarshall2095]

The host has sugar in his tank

[@phulanadethal]

Cristan Lee was with them the day before, because the ladies brought the sticky buns home.

[@Jolenesmart1980]

59:10 adding A again when saying the shots to Vickys thigh and A jaw? Why? Even you out cc on it shows it like your saying the jaw , either way it’s a weird speech pattern thingy to do lol

[@wendyb3713]

I'm not sure Vicki wasn't in on it.

[@joepublic2592]

Re White House Farm, Jeremy Bamber didnt slaughter the family.

[@carolball5764]

Wasn’t he adopted?

[@user-mt4ku7jw1y]

Oh yes he did