Case 162: Lawrence Haggart

[@AndrewPoopyPants]

I got into this podcast when I didn’t have a vehicle and had to bike to work 5 miles at 5 am. It was a harrowing ride but this show got me through many a ride

[@Jolenesmart1980]

Iv always worried in the past wearing headphone while riding because you can’t hear the traffic etc

[@suzbay8932]

Best podcast on KZbin

[@yogadork_namaste]

I love that he does a mix of solved and unsolved. I love trace evidence podcast but hate that they only do unsolved. I understand the importance of getting the cases out to the public, but having no answers frustrates me sometimes. Other amazing true crime podcasts are true crime brewery, redhanded, crimelines and sword and scale. Just to name a few

[@SHurd-rc2go]

I realize that the very short sentences handed down to Beatty in the '90's were the attempt to get away from the Draconian sentences of the past, but horrifying how that allowed a sexual psychopath to keep offending. Thank you for your excellent work.

[@SpicyTexan64]

The ridiculously light sentencing continues and the UK at some point isn't only enabling but complicit in the terrible later crimes committed by these monsters.

[@cathybassett6432]

Contemplated giving him a life sentence but gave him 7 years!!! WTF! Second sentence 18 months!!! What the hell is wrong with these judge!! 15 years. Wow. Talk about no justice.

[@user-ri4rl2md7y]

Best crime show on KZbin, period.

[@russell_fry]

I agree!

[@phatlassie]

Yep!

[@mariapower9979]

Great job, CF! This was a complicated case and you handled it beautifully, with all of the decorum we've come to expect from the CF team! You never disappoint! I'm absolutely horrified that the police had the killer in their grasp and they let him go, only to prey upon the victims two young brothers as possible suspects!!!!!! We are supposed to trust the police! Now I see why so many murders go unreported......the victim's families probably figure, "Why Bother!"

[@loredanadincu4300]

The police believed a repeatedly charged sex offender, but not the boy brothers, nice job.

[@basbleupeaunoire]

I believe those cops had skeletons in their closets.

[@ulalaFrugilega]

I do think they fabricated the confession, too. Got the right guy that time, it seems, though. Or if not the right guy, at least someone who ought to be locked up anyway.

[@dontmindme633]

@@ulalaFrugilega I agree. I don’t think he’s their guy. But he needs to be locked up.

[@loritracy1385]

Thank you. Very well done.

[@garrethgoodworth2494]

Terribly tragic case. My heart goes out to those brothers who were so wrongfully accused.

[@kidhoopz1686]

My go podcast before bed. tyty Casefiles!

[@yogadork_namaste]

Crimelines and southern friend true crime are really great bedtime listens as well. But sometimes keep me up bc they are great shows. Misconduct is easiest to fall asleep to because her voice is boring. I don't mean it in a mean way. She gets a lot of listens from me, lol

[@LauraLou82]

Well presented and well researched. The failure of our local police on this case was absolutely disgusting. There are certainly other avenues that should have been pursued, one of them being the fact that Lawrence was signed to Celtic Boys Club, an institution which had an established network of paedophiles and sex offenders. Celtic has strong catholic roots, the number 110 is mentioned a few times in the bible. Psalm 110 is about a life of holiness and virtue that ends in a painful death, Jesus was pushed 110 times and the crown of thorns he wore left 110 wounds…I don’t think this is a coincidence. The Celtic youth coach Jim McCafferty is currently residing at Her Majesty’s Pleasure with many others involved in Celtic Boys Club, and likely many more still to come.

[@user-mt4ku7jw1y]

I support Glasgow Celtic, fantastic and world famous team. Hail Hail the Celts are here

[@traceyaustin7141]

Just subscribed luv this show 👍💕💯🇦🇺Australia

[@martinwarner1178]

No reforming his type, once doing that life style, always going to do that life style. Hamilton, who shot all those children, and their teacher, had his crime details stowed away for 120 years, think about the reason why that would happen? I can only come up with one plausible reason, that is to NOT to incriminate some people, they, and their relevant family will be of no concern, after 120 years. Peace and goodwill.

[@ulalaFrugilega]

Society has failed the Haggarts and many more by not locking up this Beady fellow much earlier for the sexual assaults he'd committed. Sex crimes ought to be taken much more serious. They are so horrifically life-changing even for the survivors and it's in their nature to get more and more brutal over time.

[@always_b_natural703]

Sex is a basic drive for the vast majority of people. Underestimating what people will do for the sex they want is foolish. To give fines, minor sentences and early release for known and repeated sex offenders makes society much more dangerous.

[@user-mt4ku7jw1y]

Glasgow Celtic my hometown club love it so much faithful through and through

[@saramorisani]

You KNOW how to tell a story! WOW!

[@ryaneckel7017]

H6w1sn2

[@lenafranklin7262]

Erin Monroe wrote this

[@Jolenesmart1980]

@@lenafranklin7262 *Munro she wrote it but technically he’s telling it !

[@lenafranklin7262]

Of course you would record his confession, secretly.

[@donnablack6280]

Great job on the pronunciation 👍

[@SpicyTexan64]

What in the hell is wrong with the UK giving such insanely light punishment for these horrific crimes? At some point the only blame should go to the people who create these laws and the general public who accept them

[@colinconnolly6285]

A case from Scotland! Covered extremely well. Wee tip though - NEVER refer to football as soccer ⚽⚽

[@nancychisholm5399]

He probally referred to football as soccer in the beginning for the U.S. listeners.

[@EddieMunstar87]

He is from Australia, we have a football code (Aussie rules) and another football code (soccer) and another football code (rugby) he was distinguishing between codes

[@ulalaFrugilega]

Nancy Chisholm that's what I thought, but then Munster came along, and I know a bit more about the world now!

[@Maligroot]

Thanks Mate 👍

[@nickyv2276]

Did I miss the bit explaining what the numbers were found on Lawrence's body.?

[@ulalaFrugilega]

Nicky V227 you might have, they were mentioned, but I forgot them. And the "mutilation" was never explained. Or did I miss that part?

[@SHurd-rc2go]

110, I think I heard.

[@SpicyTexan64]

​@@SHurd-rc2go He meant what was the meaning of the numbers

[@danrobinson572]

All them cops who were investigating this case should’ve went to jail.

[@ilkkarautio2449]

I definitely agree with you on that one, just horrible people with malicious intent. 🤔

[@danrobinson572]

@@ilkkarautio2449 soo true what a 🐀 move!

[@discopervert9871]

Listening to this on 16th March...spooked me.

[@skyegray4833]

weird to hear one so close to home love this chanel

[@APenguinsLullaby]

Ok, So this guy is gross and deserves what he got, but also, I really feel like the conclusion is incorrect. The case came down to which was lying, the gross guy or the police; which I doesn't count as "without reasonable doubt", and considering evidence was planted, AND the police used their own prejudice to try to pin the blame on the victim's brother, people need to take this as a word against word, not word against infallible fact. What also seems to be an issue is the mutalation with 112. It isn't answered, and I just feel like this crime doesn't match the mo of the accused. He was a rapist (and in my opinion deserves death for that) but not really a murderer. I've seen bondage porn before, and whips and tying up ain't that odd, so basing a want to kill on that, seems like just another attempt to force a guilty verdict. Please don't get me wrong, this man deserved what he got for his other crimes, but this feels like a short fall in the justice system. There was doubt. He should not be declared guilty.

[@dontmindme633]

I expected a not guilty verdict. Agree, the man needs to be incarcerated for life, but I don’t think he’s the guy. Can’t remember if or what weapon. No mention of the numbers. No rape. It wasn’t him. And it wasn’t the brothers.

[@user-mt4ku7jw1y]

A case from Scotland yes love my country

[@junglebhoy28]

I emember this at the time, rocked Celtic to the core. Think burchill and Stephen crainey played beside him

[@danrobinson572]

2 weeks is way way to king to wait for this awesome podcast. This was tortured!

[@yogadork_namaste]

The casefile team deserves a break every so often!

[@danrobinson572]

@@yogadork_namaste yeah you do. I was just kidding

[@ruthbeamish8849]

I cannot understand the entrance qualifications for Police people in the whole of the UK. I am from the UK and this so called murder investigation is totally beyond the Pale. Why did the idiots keep releasing Beatty after almost every incident. Tat poor wee fellow could have been a star for the Celtic football team !!!!

[@brandyjean7015]

I don't believe "I've fallen down from lying excessively, and can't get up" constitutes a valid "health concern" for enabling early retirement with full pension!

[@jaynehughes4480]

Sorry but this has made me furious....who kept letting this man out of prison? Blaming the police is so unfair when done ignorant so called experts let offenders like this free to offend again and again...who are they??? They should be fired not the police officers

[@lisas8614]

Exactly. The police officers get all the blame just because they got the case. The people who let him out all the time, should have been forced to apologize instead.

[@hopeharder6749]

Agree!

[@tillitsdone]

True, this is on prosecutors and judges, but that kind of goes under the radar

[@raelleroosendaal2232]

The amount of ads is insane. So hard to get into the story when it seems to be interrupted every 3 minutes.

[@gaildorries4064]

I was about to make the same complaint.. Very distracting

[@tarajh]

Absolute bumbling shitshow on the part of law enforcement. That poor family 🙁

[@probableflaws3597]

Brian Beattie is a POS that I have zero compassion for, but there was some serious gaps in the evidence presented here. Did Beattie ever mention anything about the fire or mutilating the body during his confession? It would be an easy way to find out if he was telling the truth if they tried to use that information to bait him and see if he gave the correct answer. Did they ever discuss what the number 1011 meant? First time I was not 100 percent certain of the suspects guilt during a case file episode. He probably is guilty but definitely unanswered questions.

[@ulalaFrugilega]

John M For quite a while I was pretty sure that B. was innocent of this crime, but I don't mind him being locked up for the rest of his natural life. Or die soon, or sth. I just felt the confession was totally unbelievable, sure the police made that one up. Too convenient that claim of amnesia about all those points about the numbers and the weapon. But whoever did it would have gotten away with it, then… that is scary. Also, he had the hammer, they found the bottle, his alibi wasn't worth mentioning to start with. And those numbers… couldn't they be unrelated, maybe?

[@probableflaws3597]

@@ulalaFrugilega Yeah I have no sympathy for Beattie himself as he should be locked up forever for the crimes he did commit. Like you said I’m more worried that the actual killer got away with it and is out walking around free. I feel like a lot of details were left out in this episode (or weren’t available to the public) so it’s impossible to know for sure. I think it’s possible gave a fake confession for whatever fucked up reason and the police just went with it instead of checking it for inconsistencies.

[@probableflaws3597]

@Andrew Phillips obviously mistake, fixed

[@lisas8614]

I agree. He should be locked up for life, but there's not enough evidence for a conviction in this case. They definitely didn't care about the truth, even the family. They just wanted anybody convicted and then they're not even satisfied and get revenge on the police and get as much money as they can out of it. This is the first time I thought the family of the victim is totally disgusting.

[@sirevilmustache9567]

@@ulalaFrugilega 'Also, he had the hammer, they found the bottle,' Sorry for replying to such an old comment, but: Neither the hammer nor the bottle were used in that crime. Or at least they weren't proven to. You're mixing things up there.

[@wiebkescantick947]

It's despicable how often repeat serial offenders get such short sentences and then early releases only to offend again.

[@Jolenesmart1980]

14:00 ish Christ a number gauged into you with a KEY 🔑 why oh why? They wrote the number in pen on other places so they didn’t need to do that

[@paulbelcher745]

As well as there being an ad every few minutes there are ads when you are doing your ads.

[@Firecracker66]

Too tragic

[@theroadupward]

Is it just me or is this a series of gross incompetencies on part of the police? Incredible=they should have been punished.

[@evdaribarovski5698]

I totally agree keystone cops. Don't forget paedophiles are a secret society meaning they could be a policeman a judge in the upper chain. They look after one another. Not to get caught.

[@jacquelinerussell8530]

Too many misc annoying ads to enjoy the audio😔🙄

[@helenrichmond6373]

Far too many ads

[@mollybrien7300]

Too many adverts

[@jayabaldwin6522]

Casefiles is good but try trace evidence podcast. is by far the best u will ever find...

[@ashvanichaudhary9782]

Never been this early

[@Lumame]

When a kid gets murdered and r worded in England, England reaction 😮omg nooo why and how? Also England: oh, a child rap&$ist that breaks in to homes to do horrible things to boys, hmm well let’s let him go mates, I think he learned his lesson 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@cdrwin]

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[@fish43547]

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[@jennklein1917]

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[@mathewbarrie1994]

So many ads will crash this series.

[@davidgibbs1288]

Too many ads to listen

[@markelhewitt4804]

One of my favorite podcasts but you have certainly turned up the commercials to the point where there is two minutes of actual podcast followed by 10 minutes of commercials followed by 2 minutes of podcast I hate to but I think it's time to unsubscribe and find something else

[@barbarafinigan8786]

thanks for show! bj

[@donnablack6280]

Anyone saying there can't be big conspiracies only needs to listen to this to hear about whole police forces lying and covering up and worse. Really makes you think about Dunblane. 🤔

[@faketanchick]

Way toooo many ads, off-putting

[@zhouse2472]

WORST video I've ever listened to of yours with ads almost every 2 mins! or so going into halfway point. This has wrecked many a good story especially when we resort to finding out what happened elsewhere....

[@sharonbyars8910]

I agree even had commercial on top of the usual ...must have a real glitch

[@anthonychristian4807]

Gay pride.

[@paulbelcher745]

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