Cate Shanahan on Ancel Keys' Deception: The Dark History Behind the War on Saturated Fat

[@ekdguitar123]

Just read Dark Calories. I'm a primary care physician. I'm very grateful to Dr Cate for figuring this out! She is spot on - thanks!

[@rebeccamctaggart394]

Great video! Dr. Cate Shanahan was my dr. in New Hampshire (after Hawaii), and will always thank her for being the first dr. to help me with my weight issues. Had read her book Deep Nutrition, and Food Rules, and always have appreciated the start of my own deep nutrition healthy lifestyle from her. Down 95 lbs now, and have always followed her and still thank her for going against the medical grain back 15 years ago or so. She has been helping and spreading the word for a long time! Can't wait to read this book too.!

[@Rageinred]

She is very impressive. I’ve bought both books. Leave it to women!

[@DrCateShanahan]

So lovely to hear from you and I'm so glad that you are doing well. I miss NH, and Lemay's in Goffstown :)

[@AmandaViolinGirl]

Saturated fats are often solid at room temperature and unsaturated fats are often liquid. Nature doesn't make bad fats. Factories do. That should be easy to explain to viewers.

[@IFixHearts]

Well said

[@AmandaViolinGirl]

While I was in hospital just over a more than 6 weeks ago I had a minor heart attack because of how much energy my body was using while I was unconscious with status epelepticus. It was not because of my ldl. While in hospital of course your bloods will not be normal especially when not one nurse asks you the question "have you been fasting?" The doctor immediately prescribed statins for me. While in hospital I didn't know what was going on just starting to come out of status epelepticus and for a few days took the statin. When I got home there was no way I was going to take that statin and I insisted I got a new lipid test and insisted it was fasting because the results of the previous blood tests belong in the rubbish bin. My GP said my ldl was high and I should be taking a statin. I replied I would prefer it too high than too low especially because of my epilepsy and the brain uses the most cholesterol. Then I asked about my triglycerides. Result? 0.7mmol! I was very happy with the result.

[@dianejefferies]

As a 29 yr Registered Nurse with a BSc in Health efucation.. I am so grateful for both of these physicians & David Diamond on his review of LDlL. ❤❤❤

[@IFixHearts]

Thank you for your support! Glad you enjoyed it

[@JPM620]

I can’t believe that the medical community doesn’t realize or investigate what Keys did. Millions of people have died because of what he did. It is pretty easy to see that his story is bogus. And yet the medical community turns a blind eye to it. Thank God there are doctors like you who tell the truth. People must find the correct information for themselves and push back against their doctors. What a sad state we are in. God Bless you all.❤️🙏🏻✝️

[@billdublewhopper3064]

They have. Keys founded the Mediterranean diet. These people are quacks

[@bordenf]

“People must find the correct information for themselves and push back against their doctors.” What a sad state of affairs. That is not how things should be.

[@gailhonadle5182]

Then they'd have no reason to prescribe expensive, side effect riddled Cholesterol drugs.

[@CoyoteWindRanch]

Best informative to the point video I have heard in a long time! I can share this one! Thanks

[@IFixHearts]

Thank you for sharing.

[@bettesmith1117]

Interesting conversation, thank you! I should send this to my Dr.

[@IFixHearts]

Please do!

[@ycvsat]

What a great interview !

[@joandmary0815]

Thank you Dr S. Thank you. I AM that person you are talking about at 49:40. Have been mostly carnivore (some veg) sine October '23 and it is working. You absolutely explain why it is working. Thank you. Thank you.

[@IFixHearts]

Great!

[@classicmemoriesicecreamllc6909]

Also the addition of high fructose corn syrup highly addictive that replaced granulated sugar contributing to obesity and metabolic disease

[@valeriegoodale7640]

Excellent, just bought the book.

[@ST-dr6qx]

Splendid, Dr Gem!!!!!!! and the host summarysed it in the Bestest possible WAY!!! Brilliant conversation!!!!

[@nelsontang1055]

excellent discussion, doctors w/ conscience & speaking up-i applaud you thanks for your voices & fighting the good fight!

[@southerngirl773]

One of your best videos! Smart Lady!!

[@IFixHearts]

Wow, thank you!

[@carolineknupffer2247]

Thanks so much for this important information!!!!!

[@KetovoreKrystal]

Dr. Cate, Dr. Philip Ovadia & Jack, Thank you for this very clear & concise vegetable/seed oil information. It's a simple dietary change that will reap amazing results. ❤❤❤

[@IFixHearts]

Glad it was helpful!

[@thefactoryratgenius4659]

This is fascinating. Thanks for sharing!

[@randyszymkowski882]

They had a lying charismatic healthcare bureaucrat in Ancel Keys back in the sixties, now we have Anthony Fauci. We never learn. Human psychology and perception is consistent, predictable and repeatable over and over and over again.

[@YouTuber-ep5xx]

Fauci has more than a whiff of Dr. Jack Kevorkian (Dr. Death) about him...

[@bordenf]

The two people who caused the most harm to our Nation - Ancel Keys and Anthony Fauci. How many deaths are on their hands?

[@franrushie.510]

Great video… I fed my kids margarine and seed oils believing the lies for so long… I stopped buying seed oils .. I shop at Trader Joe’s and all they use is Canola and Safflower oils… I have to be so careful what I buy at TJs…. I cook in Tallow oil or Ghee oils mostly now… I bought into so many of the lies..I’m doing a lot of research now and finding my own answers..

[@dougperrett332]

Good information. Takes me back to a professor in my Doctoral program, who changed from teaching graduate statistics, in favor of developing a different research paradigm; then teaching that. He was very critical of statistics he had formerly taught.

[@Rageinred]

Watch for supplements. My vit D3 is a gelcap..in soybean oil. Ergggg.

[@Decrepit_Productions]

Thanks for the heads up. I just checked my D3 supplement. "Other ingredients" are Safflower Oil, Gelatin, Vegetable Glycerin, and Sunflower Oil. As I nowadays take two-and-a-half mile walks most days, I likely don't need a vitamin D3 supplement except for strings of rainy/overcast days.

[@TheRealDoctorNelson]

@@Decrepit_ProductionsI use a D3K2 in coconut oil…

[@marksmith2035]

Animal fats are the good fats - factory seed oils are the bad fats.

[@YouTuber-ep5xx]

Not only are the seed oils bad, we get them in quantity today VASTLY higher than we ever could have historically, esp. prior to agricultural revolution. Avoid.

[@IFixHearts]

Exactly!

[@luannianke8110]

I'll be dead if it takes the industry 50 -70 yrs to respond. I just hope we can "trust" this and other authors, drs & scientists to spread the new "more accurate" info. I have lost a lot of trust in the last 4 yrs. Info is so difficult to sort. Enjoyed this guest a lot.

[@roberth721]

I'll be dead by that time anyway, whether this gets sorted or not. (Well, maybe I'll make it to 109)

[@SteveMark-v9w]

Fantastic! Finally a root cause explanation that can be applied to all of the vastly different N=1 situations! Now all we need is to get Dr. Cate to be presidentially appointed to being someone in charge (with authority) over public health! The other thing I think is impressive about Dr. Shanahan is that she hasn't had to change her guidelines (perhaps some refining, I don't know for sure, but not, hey you should be carnivore, and then why you shouldn't, etc.). And again, if you apply what she's saying to the various groups out there, it explains why the different methods work for those people (because they are missing that their recommendations exclude seed oils from the diets). Without that key factor, it just sounds like each group is saying they are right, and the other is wrong, even when their recommendations seem to be diametrically opposed.

[@genevievefosa6815]

Very few doctors are willing to go against the mainstream, even when they know that they are keeping their patients sick. As you know, the pharmaceutical industry considers making patients well to be a poor business model. If most people were not chronically ill, they would be out of business. I recall a number of years ago, when I still worked as an RN, I told a patient in a hospital that butter really would be better for him than the margarine that he had been advised to use. The result was that I lost my job. The doctor knew very well that I had been right, but telling that to the patient was against hospital policy.

[@250txc]

Doctors, when insurance payments are made, ESP in hospitals, *cannot* go against government guidelines.

[@whatta1501]

Thanks, this was very interesting and educational.

[@IFixHearts]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@damienroberts934]

If tobacco smoking is a leading risk factor, why were heart attacks exceptionally rare before the 20th century, given the very large proportion of smokers?

[@jamesalles139]

I am only guessing... Given the nature of our vascular endothelial glycocalyx as our shields - It was due to the rise of eating sugar and carbs in excess and continuously. It is a one-two punch. Or like a binary explosive. Maybe there is a study somewhere that found that someone can smoke cigarettes' without harm if there wasn't concomitant metabolic disorder. But I can't find it.

[@damienroberts934]

@@jamesalles139 Yeah, it's a bit confusing - no shortage of smokers and boozers throughout history, but very little reports of people keeling over and dieing on the street etc. through heart attack or stroke. What about brand new pollution - coal, petroleum and lead? I find it amazing that we just ignore the noxious environment that was unprecedented in the 20th century. It was a soup of pollution, add in smokes, booze, seed oils, processed carbs... croazy.

[@Rageinred]

Pipe smokers and roll your own smokers were not nearly as prone to excess as smokers later on who bought the pre rolled cigs and tended to smoke them one right after another.

[@Ge1Ri4]

​@@Rageinred additionally, the factory rolled cigarettes were impregnated with a plethora of chemicals to change the flavor and rate and evenness of burn, etc (formaldehyde was one of them). As well, modern tobacco was bred to increase its nicotine content to make it more addicting to sell more cigarettes.

[@Rageinred]

@@Ge1Ri4 yes! Good to know!

[@bordenf]

Dr. Cate Shanahan for Surgeon General!

[@set3777]

Higher than that - Health and Human services secretary maybe?

[@mrwaterghost]

Avoid seed oils. Drink homemade bone stock. Eat fermented food for probiotics. Eat fresh and local. Gosh. It's almost as if she came up with all of this years ago and completely transformed the health/nutrition discussion.

[@ceptember.]

Jack felling everything that we're feeling too

[@kaelou3408]

Jack, jeez, stop interrupting her!!

[@fv3video]

43:25 thru 45:18 Highlight!

[@NuclearCarnivore]

Even after explaining theAncel Keys story to my obese coworker, he still believes that cholesterol causes heart disease. Sounds like there’s a few doctors we need to string up . @34:20

[@StanDupp6371]

Ancel Keys after studying 22 countries decided to move to a nice place in Italy because he knew he could get access to the best Italian meats, poultry, fish, eggs, cheese, pasta, legumes, vegetables, fruits, olive oil and wine and this is the diet he consumed for 100 years and he called it the Mediterranean diet. Jeremiah Stamler who lived to age 102 worked with Ancel Keys and consumed the same diet.

[@franrushie.510]

I’m studying the mitochondria that lives inside the cells.

[@carlton7015]

What are the thoughts on cream and cheese in the diet is it still considered carnivor and are these considered negative?

[@myrhh1]

So burning fat is toxic for those of us with obesity -- so how does one ameliorate this problem in a healthy way?

[@mytube785]

Just curious: does Dr. Philips Ovadia still use his operating table? 😅. I mean if he is still using operating table to perform surgeries on those patients who NEED heart surgeries? To me, it’d be great that Dr. Philip Ovadia, and other doctors, could do BOTH metabolic treatments & education AND necessary surgeries.

[@IFixHearts]

Dr. Ovadia is still a very busy operating surgeon unfortunately, there are a lot of unhealthy people out there that need his expertise.

[@jimbo_shed]

I need help finding a cardiologist that can work with me as a Keto/carnivor patient. I had a heart attack in 2020 and fell back in to my bad eating habits shortly after. I am a commercial truck driver and since my heart issue my annual DOT physicals have become more and more difficult. I am looking for any resources to help me keep my license active without being forced to jump through endless and costly hoops year after year.

[@jadoy45]

I think Jack is surplus to requirements.

[@greensmoothieparty]

I've read Ancel Keys' books and they do not actually say what many people claim that they do. From Eat Well & Stay Well (1959): Cholesterol amounts to 5 or more per cent of solids in the brain and nervous tissue where it is thought it may act as an electrical insulator and where, in any case, it is effectively isolated from the cholesterol in the blood and in the arteries. Cholesterol is also prominent in the adrenal glands, where it may be a supply of material for the manufacture of adrenal hormones, and it is a main ingredient of gallstones. All in all, cholesterol is an important and remarkable substance quite apart from its unfortunate tendency to be deposited in the walls of arteries, thereby producing atherosclerosis. and later in this book... Of course, an easy solution to the problem of fat in the diet would be vegetarianism, but this would be both impractical and unnecessary in our opinion.

[@greensmoothieparty]

Here are some quotes from the Time Magazine article in 1961 that Dr. Shanahan mentions: The Keyses do not eat “carving meat” - steaks, chops, roasts - more than three times a week, and a single entree normally is not repeated more than once every three weeks. For cocktails they have martinis or negronis (¼ gin, ¼ Campari bitters, ¼ sweet or dry vermouth, ¼ soda water, over ice in an old-fashioned glass). The typical Keys dinner contains 1,000 calories, only 20% of which come from fats of any kind, 5% from saturated fats. A sample menu: pasta al brodo (turkey broth with noodles), veal scallopine a la Marsala, fresh green beans, homemade Italian bread (no margarine or butter), cookies, a tossed salad (dressed with tarragon vinegar and corn oil), espresso coffee and fruit. His diet recommendations are fairly simple: “Eat less fat meat, fewer eggs and dairy products. Spend more time on fish, chicken, calves’ liver, Canadian bacon, Italian food, Chinese food, supplemented by fresh fruits, vegetables and casseroles.” Adds Keys: “Nobody wants to live on mush. But reasonably low-fat diets can provide infinite variety and aesthetic satisfaction for the most fastidious-if not the most gluttonous-among us.” On such fare, Gourmet Keys keeps his own weight at a moderate 155, his cholesterol count at a comfortable 209.

[@katiewright2232]

If people need to “educate their doctors” 52:27 , why are they going to these doctors!? We can easily educate ourselves on Health with excellent information like what we find in this podcast. The important role of doctors is when something has gone, terribly awry, such as an accident or when we find that our health has been destroyed by lifestyle and we need to be patched up or put back together in some way. Surgeons and acute care physicians are generally very highly skilled technicians; however, this has been conflated with healthcare, and they are not the same thing. . Because acute care is so excellent and life-saving at times, people tend to equate our healthcare with that system, but they are worlds apart. Healthcare is individual- it is how we live our lives. .

[@Michelle-zk3po]

Doesn't high fat affect mitrochondria ?.. thought that was proven

[@anyajohnson4471]

Ketogenic diets (those that use fat instead of carbs for energy) increase the number of mitochondria by 400%.

[@cherylking1459]

Interrupting her was so rude. The guy with the mustache needs to go. Quite irritating and adds nothing to the conservation. Would like to hear more from Dr Ovadia anyway.

[@IFixHearts]

We appreciate your feedback.

[@gp1773]

I second this. PLEASE let your guests talk and hold your questions until the end! WHY is this so hard?

[@mrwaterghost]

It's not like you're going to throw her. It's just active listening, which is just fine. She's a pro.

[@mrwaterghost]

@@IFixHearts I for one appreciate the active listening. It's not like she's going to be thrown by someone being an active listener. She probably appreciates it, as opposed to the silent nods and the hosts going to sleep. She's a pro. I'm sure she digs a back and forth.

[@franrushie.510]

It’s all about the love ❤️ of money… the root of all evil..😈

[@KWILSONkmwaf]

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