Catholic: "They're such nice people, I feel conflicted"

[@atozed932]

And even if Catholicism is wrong, that doesn't lead to Jehovah's Witnesses being right.

[@ready2danceagain]

Yes!

[@chriscortez2036]

What people need to keep in mind is that individual JWs are still people. The problem is that the org, and more specifically the Governing Body, is exploiting and manipulating them to keep them subservient. They are repeatedly bombarded with inflammatory propaganda, fear mongering, dogmatism, gaslighting, supremacism, and misanthropic disgust to make them into mindless soldiers. They are indoctrinated to view anything, even human life or wellbeing, as worthless if it doesn’t benefit the group in some way. It’s unhealthy, dehumanizing, inhumane, and incredibly dangerous. These people need help and guidance. Most people that dragged into cults tend to be either impressionable or emotionally vulnerable.

[@NIL0S]

Contrary to math, two wrongs don't make a right.

[@alisonschmitt9533]

“If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.” -Alexander Hamilton

[@ResearchThis]

Stand for truth ❤💪Free the Friends 💪❤

[@DudeinDallas]

This is how cults recruit. They put on a charm offensive. So nice, always smiling, presenting what seem like logical questions about the bible. But just scratch the surface and you'll see the rotten insides, or ask the wrong questions and see them turn nasty.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Study the history, goals and beliefs of a group before you join. Personally I would never join any group. I love my role as a free agent.

[@sparklecanada0112]

Jared Goolsby. Correct. It's called "Love Bombing" and "Masking". They put on a Fake and Loving front in order to ensnare you into submission, only to drop the pretense and expose their true selves once you meet their needs and expectations. By then, You've become a shadow of your former self and turned into someone you truly are not inside. You become their puppet, their slave.

[@valkeakirahvi]

JW love disappears instantly if you dare to question the governing body

[@ready2danceagain]

She may be "targeted" simply because she is nice, and doesn't say 'no.'

[@truthwithin6659]

Seriously! As a man, Lloyd is liable to overlook this point entirely. Christian women are taught/preprimed from infancy to be subservient, reverent, fawning, persuaded by shame rhetoric in the realm of perceived authority figures pushing moral high ground all in the name of Jesus.

[@willyb933]

Very Sage advice Lloyd. I certainly hope this young Lady is not drawn into the deceitful tactics of the Witnesses. They have nothing to offer and whatever choices she does make will be much less harmful than joining a high control cult with only its own interests at heart.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Money and power.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

They have nothing to offer except empty promises in exchange for your money and your mental faculties. Knowledge is power.

[@justaquietbird7802]

What I’ve told so many people that I work with who have said something like, “They seem like such nice people,” is: Nice doesn’t necessarily equal Good. There’s a whole lot of horrible things hidden behind that veneer of, “Nice.”

[@dancingnature]

So did John Wayne Gacy at first!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

It's the "nice" ones you have to watch.

[@ryanbritt6874]

I think many people are drawn to religion, not because they genuinely believe the doctrine, but because it fills a void in their lives. I wonder if that might be the case here. Hazel, there's lots of nice people in this world... and unlike JW's they won't try to recruit you into a cult!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The knowledge that life ends in death is too terrifying for many people. Religion offers an alternative based on faith.

[@annemariefrank]

100% agreed.

[@grannykiminalaska]

I agree, i was raised atheist but still attended chur for a bit in an attempt to belong. It never worked though

[@chriscortez2036]

Another thing to consider is that cults usually aren’t black-hooded figures sacrificing people in a forest. Most modern cults are actually very welcoming , presentable, and manipulative, and they have to be in order to survive in the modern age. They prey on impressionable children as well as emotionally vulnerable or traumatic adults to exploit. Steven Hassan’s BITE Model is a great tool for identifying cults, both audacious and subversive. My advice? Do as much research as possible and analyze other perspectives to get a wider view of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Both from JW itself, former JWs, articles, records, etc. Even if not all of them are factual, you’ll at least have a general understanding of the org and it’s history. Don’t let people drag you into an biased echo chamber.

[@Maknassar]

Maybe the other way round: lots of really nice people get caught in cults and try to get new people in because they are nice and truly think they do good

[@raquelhernandez4086]

This is really amazing, first-hand insight into someone who is at a vulnerable stage in their life and really how good the JW's are at identifying vulnerabilities and exploiting it to the hilt. I really hope this young lady doesn't get taken in by the JW's it's absolutely horrifying and disgusting to see this happening. The JWs should be ashamed of themselves taking advantage of people and it's scary because we all are vulnerable at certain times in our lives, this could happen to anyone.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

People living in a mental prison, looking to imprison others. How sad.

[@d_e_a_n]

All sales people are “such nice people.” I’ve never come across a salesperson who swore or didn’t smile. All salespeople are really nice to you. When a group is trying to recruit you, they are equally nice and happy and smily around you. It’s what sales people do.

[@iamnancy2185]

Hazel, Be authentic, believe me I'm older. Keep asking questions, and question those answers.

[@deebee153]

This call reminds me of my mom who was a JW from the time she was 6 years old until she passed away at 82. She would go to the mall with Awake magazines and strike up conversations with sales clerks at various department stores. She called it uncharted territory. She was even encouraged by the elders to continue. I reminded her about the no soliciting signs posted by the mall entrances. She told me she wasn't soliciting, she was giving the magazines away for free.

[@joek600]

In my country its against the law to proselytize people promising material or immaterial rewards in that kind of door to door fashion. Many times JWs were arrested or at least told off by the police.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

That is soliciting with a lie attached.

[@alisonschmitt9533]

Wow. A real time insight into the mindset of a person who is vulnerable to cult recruitment. As a born-in I always wondered just who exactly would fall for the jw schtick.

[@inapickle4971]

I was Catholic and I fell for it 😢

[@phoenixchick5088]

I grew up Catholic and got sucked into a 4 year study. I met the lady in a group therapy.

[@williamelynch225]

I know we are not supposed to hate others-but I HATE JW’s and Mormons!!!

[@fabibibine]

Same lol I knew that I would not have wanted this if I wasn't born in.

[@BethHeadley]

I was Anglican and then Pentecostal and I fell for it. I had been searching for answers my whole life.

[@cheryllakin6736]

I remember when they were telling us to go to business and preach. I did think it was right to bother people at work. Oh no they insisted people are receptive at work. I just thought to myself no I won't participate in that.

[@BethHeadley]

They even have a name for it. It’s called business territory! They have all the businesses mapped out and usually just go in and ask if they can leave literature for the waiting room etc…

[@DeeDubb247]

When Llyod made that "blood in the water" statement I immediately remembered that we used to look up the local obituaries to find the grieving families and write them letters and send them literature. At the time this was totally normal and passed off as "loving" to my neighbors. Now I'm absolutely appalled that I ever did such a thing! As Lloyd said, JW's truly are just like vultures. Their ends always justify their means, no matter how despicable.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

That’s how my parents were snagged in the early 1970’s. My little brother was very sick. He succumbed to his illness Shortly after his 1st birthday. The JW’s know how to recruit the vulnerable. 💁🏻‍♀️

[@stevenclarke5606]

This is classic Watchtower behaviour, identifying people who are vulnerable and indoctrinate them into the Cult !

[@jmmarshall5492]

When my nephew died, they came the next morning with food for 5 or 6 people. Their kindness was genuine and that helped my sister get through a very very tough time. they continued to come see her for the next month or two and eventually faded away. But their kindness will always be remembered and something we are grateful for!!

[@alpaphoenix3252]

This scripture suits JWS perfectly. Mt 23:15-"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are"

[@InLKdream]

It's the same reason disfellowshipped get a pass at funerals of their deceased family members. That might just be the "change in circumstance" they need to return and some do, i mean after losing a loved one who probably stopped speaking to you and hearing a talk about seeing them again in paradise, few can resist that sort of emotional manipulation at such a time.

[@phoenixchick5088]

This was me spring of 2016. Absolutely do not go to a meeting and don't have anymore conversations with them. Some kinda way make the topic of religion off limits!! You think ur confused now. Keep talking to them and watch how it breaks you. Gradually week by week the indoctrination and insanity sinks in. The only good thing about my experience is my eyes are opened in a whole new way now.

[@rosiej.1473]

Hazel you need to turn the tables and ask them questions about their Child Abuse, blood doctrine, shunning, and the list goes one, see how long they stay polite and eventually they will avoid you. I loved business territory. Another sister and I would do them all each year because no one else wanted too. We had a blast, super easy.

[@stevenclarke5606]

Yes exactly, if they can’t answer these questions, which they won’t, run away from the Cult! Their own literature conflicts themselves, if it was the truth then they wouldn’t keep publishing new versions. It’s just lies from an evil controlling child abusing Cult!

[@worldlywoman9136]

My jw in laws are the most amazing, wonderful and nice people. That being said, I would never become a jw just because of how lovely they are! Them being amazing people doesn't make the religion true.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The Mormons and JW's understand the importance of the public image

[@sparklecanada0112]

Worldly Woman. Exactly. Just because someone seems nice( They could be an Empath and it is their nature to be nice to others, regardless of Religious Beliefs), doesn't mean that what they promote or believe is true or beneficial. I'm an Empath, and yet I was once promoting the very harmful and proposterous teachings of Watchtower Org as being Factual. I still consider myself "nice" as an Ex-JW, but I wouldn't advise Anyone to get involved in what I now know is a Dangerous and Narcissistic Religious Cult. Only Harm can come from being involved with it. I suffered personal harm and still do to this day thirty yrs later. With JWs ,as with all people; You have Narcissists that appear on the surface as being friendly, caring people, who truly are not; and, You have Empaths that truly have the best intentions and are actually loving, yet are misguided and indoctrinated with incorrect information and codependency towards a Narcissistic group of Leaders. The same can be said about Ex-JWs as well. "Wolves In Sheep's Clothing"; Be Very Careful and Observant, when it comes to who does or doesn't seem to be "Acceptable" or "Nice", is my advice.

[@theshadow532]

Everyone is an narcissist when they don't won't to be discipline. The prison system is full of them. Everyone want to have their way regardless. Children against parents, parents against authority, authority against God. The JWs are one of the only religion that actually have structures in place to discipline and maintain order. To the point of disfellowshiping a person from the org. Anytime you have these type of measures in place there bound to be resentment and disgruntled individuals. How many religions will Disfellowship you for unclean habits as smoking, drug abuse, premarital sex, adultery. The list goes on. When you have those types of religious structured authority in place there will be resentment, disgruntled and out right religion hatred. However, with that being said they are trying to follow bible teaches. You can't fault them for that.

[@valkeakirahvi]

@@theshadow532 How many religions will disfellowship you for riduculous things such as taking a life saving blood transfusion, being a victim of abuse or sleeping at your friends couch? You can also become an outcast for wearing a beard, or going to higher education. Lloyd is making a great series (Doctored) showing how the JWs are changing the Bible to their liking, you should check that out!

[@carmenl163]

@@theshadow532 You say: "Everyone is a narcissist when they don't want to be disciplined." I think it is the other way around. The people who force their will upon others are narcissistic.

[@pilarmartinez4298]

Dear Hazel, I was also raised catholic and practiced the religion for most of my life. But there came a time when I started having serious doubts and that eventually led to a total lack of belief. I have discussed this with several members of my family and so far, all I’ve experienced is respect, even from the most devout. My life has continued without any negative effects from my decision. If you join the Jws you’ll not have a chance to even question the religion since merely having doubts may be grounds for disfellowshipping and shunning. Think very carefully about this. You are setting yourself up for a lot of pain. I have relatives in that religion and they are shunning two of the family that decided to get out.

[@mistimbida4040]

Tony Morris said about COVID deaths: “doesn’t bother me.” And the other JWs in the room didn’t even gasp at his insensitivity. I think that’s pretty telling.

[@bellavega8048]

Where can I find that clip from him saying that?

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Tony should be urging his brethren to get vaccinated because he cares about them and their families and friends. Tony is a sociopath.

[@jessieberle3384]

I believe the audience actually laughed.

[@Jamieaaronball03]

They wouldn’t gasp out loud anyways, you do t do things to draw attention/criticism to yourself, you don’t disagree. But that religion does make death feel less uncomfortable and sad.

[@slantblant1]

@@bellavega8048 148th Gilead graduation. Search that along with his name and it should show up. You can find the full video on the JW website if you can't find a clip of it on here

[@cheryllakin6736]

Very good advice Lloyd I hope this young lady takes your advice. Sound like they already got into her head... run.

[@RobandSijay]

im sorry for laughing but it sounds like she's in a coat closet of the kingdom hall making this call.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Or in the coat room at the supermarket after a close encounter. She needs to EDUCATE herself or stand up and tell them to screw off. Or both.

[@beebee5807]

please, I was Catholic, and in my teenage days, I become a JW. After 44 years in that organization ( I was in Bethel and I was a regular pioneer) I realize that they teach "another" gospel and not the truth about Jesus Christ. Now I am a Christian and I serve in a church of England but my brothers and sister from the catholic background are closer to Christ than they are. Don't get any way closer to JWs. please

[@vinimarshall7301]

Dont go into the dark ‘stay away from the dark

[@Kabalb84]

If Hazel is reading this, just want to let you know, this is why alot of us who were raised as a jw and have left, and now see the truth of it all, it hurts us. We all get so emotional about it because the people are nice people. It's not them, it's their leaders and their beliefs. We get emotional because we see the people in the religion as kind, and normal people and we just want to get them out of that cult but they don't see it.

[@dizzygoat8379]

It’s really hard. I’ve always viewed myself as simply another slave to God. I’ve never thought about me and what I believe and what I even WANT for myself. I’ve been out for 5 years but didn’t wake up until recently and the emptiness is intense. I have to figure out who I am and I still have no idea so I just keep to myself now. I understand my family hates me and I gotta just move on but I don’t know what to do with myself :(

[@SlyPearTree]

Taking advantage of people who work with the public and can't get away is not done by nice people. Maybe those people have the potential to be nice one but they aren't nice people now.

[@brianmcdaid3178]

Always keep in mind that the JWs NEVER study the Bible. They study Watchtower publications exclusively. They CLAIM to study the Bible and they offer to study the Bible with others. But they, in my experience, ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to study the Bible with others. They will go to their publications first, last, and foremost. Many years ago I and my then wife studied off and on with JWs over a period of about 10 years. Not one session passed without me being able to refute what they were teaching from their literature by referring only to the Bible. Yes, their literature is randomly peppered with quotes from and references to the Bible but, all too often, the quotes and references are either misquoted, misinterpreted, or taken out of context. They demand you take a critical look at your beliefs but refuse to take a critical look at their own. When one points out an obvious Watchtower error they will invariably point not to the Bible, but to their own literature to refute the Bible saying: "I appreciate (they like that word 'appreciate" a lot) what you are saying, but . . ." And yes, they do prey on the vulnerable. Best thing to do when confronted by JWs is to send them packing. Be nice. But send them packing.

[@nicholsonlawrance5821]

Nice people? I think she needs too listen in depth too the utterings of the Governing Body again.

[@petalparker5]

Start telling them facts you know they will disagree with and see how “nice” they are then.

[@mistimbida4040]

Absolutely. Mention their child sexual abuse scandals or shunning practices and watch them turn cold and contemptuous. As someone born-in and who knows them up-close, they are only nice to people they think they can recruit.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I had visits from two different Jehovah's Witnesses and boy was I glad to see them and try out my arguments against JW's. Sadly, they never came back for another round.

[@BethHeadley]

Let’s not also forget that Jehovah’s Witnesses HAVE to witness to others. Otherwise they will be considered “inactive”. If you talk to any Jehovah’s Witness and engage in the simplest of conversation, they will consider you as a possible return visit… the amount of time they spend on you will go towards their service time. Although they may look like they care genuinely, they have been trained to do this. Sadly, you’re merely a transaction. Someone to be counted towards their monthly time. THATS THE HONEST TRUTH.

[@deebee153]

Well said

[@BethHeadley]

@@deebee153 I just hope it helps.

[@ready2danceagain]

Very true... all the way thru... Hazel, you are just another number.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Also regard them as victims in need of help which you may not be able to offer. As an outsider with no religious affiliation I know for a fact that JW's are trapped in a mind prison.

[@Kitakueigo]

Exactly, JDumbs are brainwashed into thinking that they must recruit others into the cult if they want to decrease their odds of death at Armageddon. If they didn’t have this sword hanging over them, they wouldn’t be out with fake smiles trying to spread “the good news.”

[@Aiken47]

Would take a poison pill even if it tasted nice?

[@jrojala]

Lead does taste nice which is one reason why some people ended up with lead poisoning. So apparently, yes.

[@MJBsays]

And that's why one should never give JWs the time of day. Sounds like Hazel engaged with them once or twice and they are now recording it as a repeat visit...maybe even a Bible study, who knows. There isn't anything to be conflicted about, if you follow Lloyd's channel you very likely know more about the JW organisation than an actual JW. Also, KH are still closed due to the pandemic so all they can ask you to do is watch their stuff online. Quick way to get rid of them start asking them about the Australian royal commission and why don't they admit they have an issue with child abuse. They'll U-turn faster than lightning.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Also you could mention the split between Russell and Barbour in 1879 and "a leadership dispute after Russell's death that resulted in several groups breaking away, with Joseph Franklin Rutherford retaining control of the Watch Tower Society and its properties. Rutherford made significant organizational and doctrinal changes, including adoption of the name Jehovah's witnesses in 1931 to distinguish them from other Bible Student groups and symbolize a break with the legacy of Russell's traditions." Wikipedia. A history of the JW's in Wikipedia reveals these people can't agree on anything, so why even listen to them. I received a letter from a JW recently whose washing machine I repaired (I'm a technician) telling me the end was near and could he have a conversation with me. I thought about it for a few days and decided I wasn't interested in discussing Armageddon when it had failed 6 times in a row and posted a video on you tube against taking them seriously.

[@jordaircooke7618]

We had our CO visit and I was working with the CO for the morning, someone at the door I knocked on and spoke with for at least 45mins before he brought up the Australian Royal Commission I was kinda a stunned mullet and I thought the CO was gonna say ok have a nice day and leave.......but he went full throttle deep into the conversation I was like damn👀

[@MJBsays]

@@jordaircooke7618 poor you. I feel he did that for you rather than the person at the door. He probably felt it was his responsibility to stick through it since he's a CO, what kind of example would he be setting for you both on his versatility to overcome objections in the ministry and knowledge of what's going on in the organization, otherwise? The average rank & file either doesn't know about it or won't dare getting into that kind of convo. And given that child abuse is a topic that any person with some humanity would feel strong about, it would be probably easier to argue against the JW on such a topic than anything else. When I say 'easier' I mean if it were me, I would find it easier to take a strong stand against a JW on a topic like the WT's handling of child abuse, or even on blood, because they are such black & white topics. As a result, my position would be an absolute & firm "no way you can convince me either it's acceptable". Whereas discussing other dogmas and topics they can wiggle their way in by taking advantage of a person emotions, state of mind, or events they experienced.

[@mariacardoso1477]

I was born in catholicism. I felt I was a serious catolic girl till I was 18 years old. I Didn't know much about the religion, besides the catechism, I mean, that's what every teenager learns to prepare for the 'First holy Communion' and later on the 'Confirmation'. Besides this, what I learned was from the 'crumbs' I could get from the short 'speaches' (sermons) by the priest every sunday. Those speaches were based usually on the gospels. And I loved that. The problem is that there was nothing much to learn after that. That was nice and sweet, but too little. When The J.W. showed up at my door and tha happened exactely during a specially hard period for all our family (does this sound like 'du déja vu' to you?). Well, I accepted right away a bible study. I was so naive at that time, ...I didn't see the trap and mental torment Iwas getting in... Well.that's it for now, for now. I'm so happy I got rid of this terrible cult.

[@marksalmon5822]

Fear of dying, the carrot living forever.

[@VampEdits]

Hi, Lloyd. I've commented before on other videos, and I just wanted to say: yes, your videos do reach over the walls of belief. I'm an ex-Catholic, current pagan, and I have learned a lot from your channel. I sincerely thank you for that. And to Hazel, I hope you find a system of belief that fulfills your needs, but I would stay far away from the JW organization. Please.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Wikipedia "Paganism is a term first used in the fourth century by early Christians for people in the Roman Empire who practiced polytheism or ethnic religions other than Judaism." "An Atheist, a Pagan and a JW walked into a bar..."

[@VampEdits]

​@@JamesRichardWiley I am, indeed, polytheistic. That honestly made me laugh, haha. It definitely sounds like the set-up to a joke with potential. (:

[@annafarago2271]

Hazel, being Catholic myself - se have regular bible studies and loving groups where we can express our thoughts and ideas and learn, we are have meaningful discussions (no books with ready answers, but our own thoughts.. Faith is a life journey. Stick your faith. The JW people see you are kind and and doing what they are taught to do, recruit more people. There are many excellent Catholic websites on youtube for you to check out. At the end of the day, it is your journey in life. I agree with Lloyd, you need to tell them not to preach to you, and you are simply not interested. I had a long time ago, studies with JB person, not realizing what the religion was about, and found they were lovely, until they realized I was not interested in changing my religion, only wanted to understand the bible better. In the end they told me I will be destroyed at Armageddon, and thus will be responsible for the destruction of my baby also, as Armageddon is any moment (this was over 40 years ago).

[@AcanthaDante]

Hazel, remember that cult recruitment is like a frog in a pot. They will show you the palatable things first and then slowly introduce the things that people like Lloyd have learned once you're invested. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, I like to add that it doesn't make the destination any kinder. From a Catholic apostate.

[@omarren]

As a former JW, who is now a Catholic and never been happier after that decision, trust me all that niceness is a false, join them and then leave and you’ll see how that niceness will disappear so fast, it’s not a religion it’s a controlling cult that will ruin your life And another example of the JWs bashing other peoples religions and telling me to research them but then have the absolute nerve to tell people not to research theirs

[@mauricebroekarts2159]

I am on my way become Catholic too...its very healling.

[@omarren]

@@mauricebroekarts2159 it sure is! Keep it up God bless

[@exploatores]

When you are trying to recurit someone to something. you are realy nice and talk about all the nice things. you kind of forget all the hard stuff.

[@dervish108]

I agree with Lloyd’s assessment that JWs act like vultures. My mother and did their Bible studies for years. We were both vulnerable because we were both very depressed, and like Lloyd said I’m sure they picked up on this. They didn’t want to baptize either one of us because our best wasn’t good enough, and of course that was an absolute blessing. My mom was already not active due to illness when I told them I wanted nothing to do with them. I deliver mail, and several JWs are on my route. They’ve tried to preach to me in the past, while I delivered their mail. Telling me not to leave jehovah. 🙄 Being at work can make you a captive audience. At first I could counter with bravado telling them how happy I was not to be with the organization but my mother’s health has since further declined so it’s very difficult to utilize such bravado. Come to think of it, I probably am giving off vulnerable vibes as someone else on my route tried to get me to go to their Mosque, just today! I feel resolute in my return to my beliefs in Sanatana Dharma, but I feel if I indeed have such a vibe it has more to do with coping with my mother’s poor health than any theoretical crisis of faith. I once “unwitnessed” to one PIMI right after they tried to witness to me. They said they’d pray for me and I didn’t see them for a while. That worked fine for me. It’s a horrible feeling to be a captive audience. Especially when the “performer” has a proclivity of taking advantage of someone in a family crisis. And I find it very insulting that JWs and others consider me a soft target for their institutions. To be clear I’d never consider going back to JW for anything. Lloyd’s videos and other sources did a fantastic job exposing the organization’s horrible flaws. Watch the four corners documentary for a great presentation.

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

I used to be a Catholic. Then, I wasted 32 years of my life in the J-Dub Cult. Now I'm an athiest.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I was brought up a Catholic, cured myself with Buddhism, didn't like reincarnation, became a Christian, then became an atheist which suits me just fine.

[@BethHeadley]

Same!

[@mailill]

The caller seems like a really sympathetic person, and I also like Lloyds answer.

[@ronniethobe1503]

sounds more as a actor ..

[@mailill]

@@ronniethobe1503 Really? You don't think she was genuine?

[@shanghaiberti4142]

At this moment in time the world is in a real mess.. AT times like this many people need something positive in their lives too cling too.. Thus people fall into cults like the jdubs.. Some jws are very nice people.. But just because someone is nice does not mean their cult is... Just say NO!.. BEST WISHES STAY WITH US..

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The world is always in a mess. With social media we get to see more of it.

[@shanghaiberti4142]

@@JamesRichardWiley too a point.

[@rodywithers3536]

Love bombing becomes rejection bombing when you let down your possessive lover. So too members of high-control groups such as JWs switch on the love bombing at will and just as easily switch it over to rejection bombing when you don’t fully comply with their view of how you should be.

[@transporter49]

In January 2020 two JW elders visited me . I raised the issue of CSA and they referred me to a WT article that purported to demonstrate that there are measures in place which protect children. I promised to read it and discuss it with them on a follow-up visit but only on condition that they looked into case 29 at the ARC, especially Jackson's testimony and we woud allocate an equal amount of discussion time to both topics. A sure fire way to stop their persistence?

[@chrisowenssff4876]

Hazel, Cults have outsider doctrine and insider doctrine. When JWs talk to other people, they will present the outsider doctrine. Much of what is discussed on channels like this is insider doctrine that JWs know is more controversial and only introduce little by little, over the course of months and years. When a cult is recruiting someone, they are going to be very nice and very friendly. And they oftentimes might be that way sincerely, often the recruiter is an indoctrinated victim of the cult themselves. Cults lovebomb prospective members. Of course, once the person is through the long indoctrination process and committed and cannot walk away without punishment, then that is when much of that friendliness goes away. It is then time to perform and work. By then, raise the wrong question, break the wrong rule and in an instant, you are treated like public enemy #1. Rather than look at the entry level cult propaganda they are sharing--look for the study propaganda targeted to members. It can even be found on their online library if you did. Study it backwards. Rather than start with basic agreeable sounding stuff, start with: if I needed a blood transfusion to save my life, would I refuse and die? If my family member or friend were a JW and was disfellowshipped, would I shun them? Do I believe that Jesus invisibly appointed the Governing Body in the year 1919 as his Faithful Slave and then chose the Watchtower religion as the one true religion? Do you believe that if you do not actively witness to non-JWs that you have blood on your hands and will die at Armageddon? Do you really believe you need to fill out a timesheet to your witnessing activity every month? Would you believe that merely 10 hours a month might not be enough witnessing, but you need to simplify your life to do more, becoming a pioneer and doing this for 70 hours a month--and if you don't, you aren't giving God your "best"? I've never been Catholic, but I do believe being an open-minded Catholic is healthier than getting involved in a cult. I do know there are problems historically and currently as with many groups, but as a denomination, they do accept science, including evolution. Catholic scholars do approach the Bible with an approach of higher criticism. Or perhaps you can find an open-minded spirituality apart from it if that is your choice. But whatever you do, research any group that is actively trying to recruit you.

[@lindaturner5929]

“When you’re in a Cult, the end always justify the means” - Nailed it!

[@mailill]

Blood in the water ...YES! Now I remember once being attaced by some really sneaky missionaries a day years ago when I was very depressed and almost crying walking home from University. And they went straight to my throat mentioning I was not happy and trying to manipulate me. (If I joined their faith I'd be always happy and get the same personality type as Jesus). They were not JWs, though. I looked them up later and it was something even more sinister, I have forgotten the name of the cult.

[@SheilaConvery]

I can't imagine two denominations more diametrically opposed, while still remaining under the tent of "Christianity," than JWs and the Catholic church.

[@joek600]

I would not describe JWs as christians per se.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

"Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by continuous or relapsing episodes of psychosis. Major symptoms include hallucinations, delusions, paranoia, and disorganized thinking. Other symptoms include social withdrawal, decreased emotional expression, and apathy." Wikipedia Humanity is utterly schizophrenic thanks to religion, especially those crazy, crazy, Bible stories.

[@SheilaConvery]

@@joek600 to be honest I kinda would not either, they self-describe as Christians (in fact they self describe as the only "real" christians, which is ironic) - I'll play along and just say they ain't like any other Christians I ever heard of.

[@KiwiFromChowder]

@@JamesRichardWiley I love secular humanist doublethink. You say religion causes all of humanity's problems, yet you also say that humanity created religion. Basically humanity destroys itself, so why get angry? Just let us theists kill one another for our "delusions", while you contemplate the meaninglessness of your existence.

[@campakilla1]

Hi Hazel! I think you should talk to.. the recovering from religion foundation .. as they won't take advantage of you or draw you in to their another religion or cult .. be careful,I hope don't mind me saying.. you sound vulnerable .. all the best from the UK !!

[@pbenhall]

I really couldn’t guess how you were going to respond to that one with so much unsaid. Well handled.

[@chriscampas-svensson461]

If I had to choose between Roman Catholic and Jehovah’s Witnesses it’s Roman Catholic hands down! This from a former MS and pioneer.

[@sh0eh0rn4]

I’m also Catholic, and I definitely understand the feeling. It’s a tempting message that Hell isn’t real and that eternal conscious torment isn’t something we have to be terrified of. I was almost taken in, and that’s why I’m here too. I see too many people in my life being drawn in by JWs when they are most vulnerable. Also, I’m a strong believer in Catholic Social Teaching, and the idea that JWs don’t believe in social justice work as ministry is upsetting to me. Yet and still, I was so close to seeking baptism as a JW that it scares me to think about. They are so good at love-bombjng! Soooo….basically I am saying that I FEEL YOU, GIRL.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

I'm a Catholic guy with some JW friends. We do Bible study sometimes, and while I appreciate their sincerity, I just can *not* get over their staggering disrespect for Jesus.

[@leedevries5660]

I would reverse shun them asap!

[@ronniethobe1503]

We are the only ones who listen to the voice of Jesus ;)

[@morningglory9288]

@@ronniethobe1503 JW's are not true christians even though they pride themselves as been the ones who are true christians. If they don't recognize Jesus as worthy of worship, then they're not Christian.

[@mauricebroekarts2159]

you should bring them to the Catholic church with John 6.if you don't drink this blood and don;t eat this flesh...you hav no live in you...they don't belief in that.

[@rickwilkerson3865]

Yes, modest dress and sincerity along with slick marketing can easily sway the naive, uninformed and even educated folks. ‘Studying with these true believers will lead you into a world of logical fallacies, loaded language, peer pressure and 140 years of doctrinal refinement that is presented with high tech videos designed to pull on the emotions. The Watchtower has long presented their belief system in a monologic discursive presentation that has traditionally been used by educators to teach the math and sciences . Social Sciences including Religion should be presented using a Dialogical approach. This is an arena to express feelings, ideas, views and perspectives. The Watchtower presents faith based ideas and conjecture as ‘Truths’ using Monological language which is less likely to be challenged. For example: “when Jesus became king in 1914”. Speculation presented as fact. The public talks and literature are rife with this language.

[@barbarajohnson9050]

It’s not the sheep (for the most part they are nice.) It’s those evil 8 men of the JWs who are the leaders who feed those sheep JW beliefs. I agree with Lloyd and be forthright with them in a polite manner. It’s inappropriate that they take your time like that while you are trying to work .when I was a JW, I would NOT do that . They are picking up on your weakness and they are taking advantage of that. Don’t let them. It’s a cult, Hazel. Stay away, PLEASE.

[@RealPumpkinJay]

In my home area in Germany Catholicism is predominantly a cultural thing. Most people are Catholic, believe the main points, but don’t really do anything about it outside of annual events and special life events (baptisms, first communions, confirmations, weddings, funerals). It’s 90% tradition-based membership. About 10% go to mass weekly or more often. When I was a teenager, the witnesses tried my little Catholic village and came across me, home alone. I wasn’t your typical Catholic though. I was an altar server group leader, a lector (I read scripture during mass), and a confirmation teacher (I taught candidates for confirmation, which is equivalent to teaching candidates for baptism in believer’s baptism religions. Having said that, they naturally thought I was an easy target. They left when one of them started agreeing with me and never came back.

[@truthwithin6659]

Same in America (though we do have higher rates of church attendance than in Europe), we call them Cultural Catholics, Cafeteria Catholics (they pick and choose which parts they observe), and C & E Catholics (show up only for Christmas and Easter time). In America Catholics get offended if you 'switch teams' to a different religion but could not care less if you're apathetic, unbelieving, and non-participatory because at this point it's more of a traditional background inheritance more than some living belief system.

[@AaaaNinja]

When I worked at a grocery store there was this customer who wheeled his motorized wheelchair behind the bakery counter where customers are not allowed to go to corner me and ask me what church I go to and if I know about Jesus. I was basically trapped because motorized wheelchairs are very powerful, very heavy and there was only one way in and out of the space. That is the scenario this caller's story reminds me of and her customers infuriate me. What they're doing is not nice. They're not "such nice people". They approach her at work because they know she'll be there and they know she can't walk out because she has to work. This caller should be angry. I think this caller should get counseling because she's really vulnerable. It sounds to me as though the Witnesses have used a common tactic used by a lot of religions. They convince people that there is something wrong. And then they offer them the solution which is to join their religion. It's classic.

[@grannykiminalaska]

Or even blame it on your boss or company policy. That way you aren't being mean you are simply keeping your job

[@lordshipmayhem]

"Jehovah's Vultures" is an interesting concept...

[@lauracatlin3756]

Or you have a guilt button they can push, they will come after you and try to convert you. If you are a person who struggles to be assertive, they know it and will keep coming back. Stand tall, tell them to leave you alone and don't feel guilty. They are trying to make you wrong and them right.They can sense you lack boundaries. No offense but tell them it's inappropriate and unacceptable to try to sway you from what makes you content in your beliefs.

[@mariacardoso1477]

Lloyd I do thank you so much for the wisdom you share with all. Some people criticise you for being an atheist and at the same time talking about the bible. To me it's not a contradiction at all. Being an atheist liberates you from having to be 'loyal' to any religion. I like the way you explain the bible and show its contradictions in a direct calm and reasonable way. A religious person (in my opinion) would have a hard time doing it.

[@yelloduc8059]

4:20 bro, could I tell you a few stories about jws coming to my place of business... No regard, or respect for the fact I was working, just an easy way to count time and a bathroom to use.

[@lawrencemiera2325]

They are nice people. Until you use certain trigger words. Can anyone name those?

[@deenews6526]

Apostate

[@mikewhites8348]

Wicked world and worldly people

[@ResearchThis]

Evolution

[@ResearchThis]

Questions

[@ResearchThis]

Disfellowshipping

[@jeffbuelt6953]

She'll see what kind of a nice people/organization it is if she starts studying and going to meetings. I recommend her to refer those jws to listen to lloyd evans you tube Channel

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Yes, invite them to listen to Lloyd to achieve a broader understanding

[@carolsimpson4422]

I'm so confused by this girl. Has it not occurred to her that the Bible is really old and subject to many many interpretations? That even the church she claims adherence to has changed its doctrines and taught different interpretations of the same text?

[@JamesRichardWiley]

If she is a frightened, confused Catholic she needs to get serious about what she believes in. I was an indoctrinated Catholic for twenty years before I began to ask myself questions I could not answer. The Internet and You Tube is the way to wake up.

[@srich7503]

I wonder if she realizes that the church she is in actually gave us the bible to begin with. It had to come from somewhere didnt it? I cant find someone willing to tell me which church was around before the Catholic church. And if there is not church left then what good is the book it left us.

[@carolsimpson4422]

@@srich7503 scholars refer to it as the early Christian church. The term Catholic and the Vatican and all that came later.

[@srich7503]

@@carolsimpson4422 are you attempting to provide assertion that there was a church before the Catholic church? Could you tell us which church it was and when precisely was it the Catholic church as you know it emerged from this unknown entity? Peace!!!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Both Catholicism and Jehovah's Witnesses are faith based. Faith is belief without good evidence. The best defense against the Witnesses is knowledge of their failed game. Begin with 1914.

[@FyourCult]

1914 was originally taught by charles taze rusell as the date that the world would end. when that didn’t happen they changed it to 1915 then 1925 then 1975 then “within this 21st century” and i’m sure i’ve forgotten other dates that all failed

[@ronniethobe1503]

Not true at all. 1914 is correct and still is today.

[@srich7503]

Greetings James! Do you have any evidence of any other church other than the Catholic church that was around when the 27 book NT bible was complied in the 5th century? This is an evidence chain that is worth following. Peace!!!

[@rakelmacc5325]

I’d rather be a Catholic. I was baptised one as a baby and then my parents became JWs when I was 1. At least they don’t have to do anything

[@redastair]

Sorry, Hazel, but I just don’t get it: you’re obviously enjoying the attention you get from the JWs but you somehow are sending messages to Lloyd as part of his channel. I can only imagine that we have someone very much in need of an emotional connection but intellectually is already suspect of the group. My advice would be this: go to a JW congregation outside of where you live and just arrive and tell them you’re moving in from X congregation. The ruse won’t last for long (since the JWs keep tabs on all movement) but you’ll quickly find all the feigned interest and enthusiasm disappear. You’ll just be another baptised member and all thrill you get right now from all that attention will disappear.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Once you are in you are no longer important.

[@jeannec7558]

👌

[@stardust3142]

Most witnesses are nice, if they are nice cause that's how they have to be or they are genuinely nice, it depends from person to person. But they will be extra nice when they find a prospect of conservsion, like you. They don't have bad intentions, that's for sure. But if you would join the religion and then reconsider and leave, thet will shun you like you never existed. Or try telling them stuff like their affiliation to the UN, or the cover up of child abuse, or the fact that they are the only one claim 607 instead of 587. Then look at their faces, they will shut down even if they will still try to put a smile.

[@davidmay3042]

I’d be tempted to suggest your willingness to go to a Kingdom Hall meeting on condition they attend a Catholic Mass. Watch the ‘ friendliness ‘ fade

[@lemongrabloids3103]

Great advice Lloyd

[@elisenieuwe4649]

I find it rude that they constantly try to convert you knowing you believe something else and give you stuff while you're doing your job. That's not okay at all. I would personally communicate a clear boundary to them. They usually respect that :)

[@ashleyn.9166]

I'm still listening to the vm and this is a perfect view into what love bombing feels like.

[@earthresident9909]

Loving the creator of life and all things, don’t need a place, building, to have a relationship with him. I try these days to recognize true spiritual humans versus the front runners….. in all religion. God is love, no matter… picking on others for their religion is not loving… period. I tell those whom bash others, to zip it… and say, God hears you being un christian …. ☺️ trust me… it shuts them up…

[@katherineburford7864]

A Cognitive Behavioral Therapist might be an appropriate resource giving Hazel the tools and skills she needs to respond to this form of bullying.

[@fabibibine]

Why is she so conflicted about it!? Don't put so much weight on your shoulder. JW micromanage every aspect of your life. It's a control thing, you won't be less conflicted by joining them.

[@huejazz6939]

New JW movie…. Tony Morris is John Ramapo in First Blood 🩸 (not from a transfusion, of course)🩸 Then Scotch 🥃

[@Jamieaaronball03]

It is okay to learn about their religion, but you can do that w/o talking to them. Also, you might just arrange to talk to them once outside of work so you can control the conversation more. If you ignore them a couple times or dodge them they’ll leave you alone. At-least that’s been my experience lol Mormons I think will hang in there a little longer. I kinda like talking to either one sometimes but only if a actually like the person, a lot of them are so scripted it doesn’t even feel like a real person.

[@Pineapples_Pizza]

Catholicism in 2021 is significantly different from even a few decades ago… in the 1970s-80s the Catholic Church was exclusive and condescending in its outlook, and asserted that salvation was a only available within the Church (Roman). To borrow a Hitchens reference, Catholicism now presents as a ‘smiley-faced’ and accepting religion however for most of its history (including within living memory) it has been very intolerant of non-Catholics. I’d say to this caller that introspection should include looking into the history of Catholicism warts and all, including recent history, to understand what sort of religion you’re accepting. I’m a older lapsed Catholic and as a child I was a taught plenty of harmful nonsense by teachers and priests. Things have improved somewhat but there are still very questionable Catholic teachings when it comes to issues like homosexuality… I think further reform is needed.

[@joek600]

''Things have improved somewhat but there are still very questionable Catholic teachings when it comes to issues like homosexuality'' I dont think that there is any christian church that accepts homosexuality. Some might turn a blind eye and keep low tones if there is a modicum of discretion. Its a dogmatic issue and I dont expect it to change. I have met people who were openly gay but also thought themselves as very faithful, going to the church regularly etc. Nobody turns them away but if they tried to debate it with a priest they would fall on a dogmatic wall.

[@morningglory9288]

When you think about it, what religion did Jesus belong to? Does he even approve of religion? I myself attend a non denominational church, but even this could be questionable in regards to Jesus. All we really need to do and should do is show love towards all mankind, giving of ourselves to help others who are in need, and enjoy our life to be happy. This will please the true God of the universe who only wants us to be happy and to praise her son Jesus who was sent to earth by her to represent her, the "true God of love and light."

[@Pineapples_Pizza]

@@joek600 Well the current Catholic position is that it’s fine to have homosexual feelings as long as you don’t act on them (which is the sin). Great. A life of celibacy. What a cruel and heartless teaching. This doesn’t affect me directly but almost inevitably we have friends/family that it could affect, if they are religious.

[@interestinginsights6077]

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

[@mailill]

What confuses me a little bit is: How come the JW missionaries make her doubt her faith ... while Lloyds videos don't? (Edit: grammar)

[@ready2danceagain]

Me too????

[@elizak.7802]

Hazel, hope you read this message. Take time out and read the Word of God. Don't refer to any additional books/people's ideas/organizations. God exists and will give you full understanding once you take this step. Good luck!

[@sandy-mr5gj]

If Hazel is recruited to JW, she will certainly have to give up praying to Jesus and will absolutely have to trash her rosary. And Hazel, honey, there's no bowing to Jesus either, no praise, no glorifying Him in any way. A time out per Lloyd's suggestion is in order.

[@georgeporgy7568]

When I was fully in I worked in a science lab with a muslim woman that I witnissed to. I had to cut it off when she started pushing her religion on me hard. As far as I know the only religion I had heard was off limits was Apostates.

[@b.w.7588]

I certainly think its wrong when the JWs go into public businesses and start proselytizing to people. Thank goodness my mother has never done that. I never did. I wouldn't have wanted someone to lose their job. The employees are there to work, they aren't being paid to talk about religion with what may be total strangers to them. I feel sorry for Hazel. She probably still feels some affinity for the Roman Catholic Church despite her doubts. The Catholic Church was one of the various religious groups I was involved with at different times when I left the JWs. I have some very devout Catholic relatives. Roman Catholicism certainly has its share of problems, just like the JWs have theirs. No doubt, the JWs that Hazel may work with or serve as part of her job working at a grocery store are probably very nice people. But, just because they're nice people, that doesn't mean that their theological claims are true or that their religious practices and doctrines are beneficial or harmless. Let's say a Jehovah's Witness, for example, a white American Jehovah's Witness, in particular, meets their new next door neighbor who is also white and seems like the sweetest, most likeable, generous, hardworking, kind, caring person in the world. The JW then learns that the neighbor is a devoted member of the Ku Klux Klan -- does that then mean that the JW should think that there must be something to the Klan's white supremacist ideology just because this particular member seems like such a wonderful, nice person? I'm not comparing the JWs to the Klan, I'm just using this imagined scenario as an example.

[@b.w.7588]

I do hope that if she is able to, Hazel might be able to talk with a mental health professional if that is an option for her. I do think she should think more about her beliefs, I agree with Lloyd on that, she doesn't sound like she totally buys into the doctrines of the Catholic faith. If Hazel were to visit the local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses near her home, at the meeting for worship that she would attend, she would be love-bombed by the members there and would be encouraged to return for other meetings; then she would eventually be encouraged to start having Bible study sessions with the other members of the congregation who would hope this will lead her to eventually becoming baptized as a Witness. Trust me on this much, Hazel, if you're having a problem with Catholic doctrine, you probably wouldn't find dealing with religious doubts as a Jehovah's Witness any easier. When you're a Witness, you greatly risk losing nearly everything you have when you start doubting the faith and come to the conclusion that you no longer believe in the Watchtower Society's teachings I do think you should polite tell the JWs you know that you feel it inappropriate to discuss religion when you're working at your paying job away from home. As well-meaning as those Witnesses may be, they are attempting to prey on a vulnerable person and that is entirely wrong. Hazel certainly wouldn't immediately learn about some of the darker and controversial aspects of JW culture, doctrine or practices, nor would she automatically be told what consequences she would face from the Witness community if she were to join and then question the faith. No matter what the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society says, the ends do not justify the means. It is simply far too easy to get hurt by the JW faith, and I don't want to see that happen to Hazel or to any other vulnerable person.

[@srich7503]

Put me in coach!- let me explain Catholics (we Catholics) are, in general, poor in teaching our catholic faith which results, in general, poor evangelizers and in Hazels case weak in her faith. This is not the fault of the faith but the fault of us, the faithful, the teachers of the faith and Hazel, just like my own mom many years ago, become the easy prey for the JW’s. Once i realized this i began to take my Catholic faith serious and learn what the church truly teaches as opposed to what outsiders say she teaches. The plethora of misconceptions and misunderstandings were daunting. My advice to anyone: Catholicism, if you dislike it, is probably not Catholicism. Im sure most can learn much about Catholicism whether you like it or not, whether you are Catholic or not. Peace!!!

[@biale190]

« catholicism, if you dislike it, is probably not catholicism » is full of gaslighting mixed with the « real scottish man »

[@karencramer6491]

Hazel, this is tough love, but I think you need to hear it. You need to learn to make up your own mind. You say you listen to Lloyd, you listen to the 'nice' JW's and you listen to your Catholic faith. You know what Lloyd will tell you to do, you know what the JW's will tell you to do and you know what the Catholics will tell you to do. If you have expressed your conflict to the JW's, of course they are going to target you. Stop asking others to make a decisions for you. Make up your own mind and stop trying to please others. The only conflict you have is taking responsibility for yourself.

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

"Such nice people" ... wait until they Shun you!

[@AgnesPerditaX]

Dear Hazel, the people may behave nicely or be nice, sure. However, their belief system and their organization are not. Be kind to yourself and don't fall for that. The way out wouldn't be nice at all - you know that because you watch Lloyd's content. There are many many people who are nice to others without strings attached.

[@theshadow532]

He had no real answer for this poor woman. Sad

[@joek600]

What kind of answer can you give to somebody that appears to be unstable or at least having issues? He told her to see an expert. She will probably wont.

[@theshadow532]

@@joek600 First of all he don't know what her probably is he's not a doctor and he never met her. What appears and what ii is two different things. He could have still use the scripture to console her. This man never use the scripture not once to try to help her because that's not his calling. His calling is to attack JWs, , not help people.

[@joek600]

@@theshadow532 Scripture to console her? Are you serious? Do you think that everybody is a maniac going around with a bible shooting verses? And why do you think that random people will magically solve their problems if they listen to a bible verse? He is making it clear that he is NOT a doctor and he ask her to go and see a specialist. This channel is created to expose the JW org, so it does exactly what it says on the tin. What more can you expect?

[@theshadow532]

@@joek600 How do he know the the bible won't help? You are assuming that it won't. Because he do not have any interest in her or the bible. He already lied about businesses territory. You are to contact management first for permission any time you do businesses. He put it as if you just supposed to walk in. He knows better but lead her to think that on purpose. Because his calling to one thing, attack and to deceive. To hell with the people.

[@joek600]

@@theshadow532 The man is an atheist why would he use Bible verses? The channel is focused on exposing the JWs and the consequences of their heretic teaching on the lives of people. He is not a public councilor/therapist and never pretended to be. Whats your major malfunction dude?

[@ckelly5141]

Maybe Hazel is struggling with vulnerability because of Covid. I get that....we need love and friendship to thrive at any age. I remember being an ex vulture too Lloyd😆.....and now I think we both need a whiskey 🥃.....May I suggest the McCallum’s.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

I agree. A lot of people miss the human connection because of Covid & anti-social media. 💁🏻‍♀️

[@ckelly5141]

I’m sure it is affecting people even more than we think. Good point Maryann.

[@UNIVINS]

I rhink Lloyd missed the point she is trying to make. She says she is confused bout her believes because of what the witnesses are teaching/showing her. She says that the things she is being tell her are good and they seem to be very nice people. On the other hand' Lloys has a negative connotation about the jws.

[@sammyytube5999]

You can hear both confliction and loneliness in this woman's voice. No doubt she is very approachable and the JW is happy to find someone humble and receptive to enhance their very much bored preaching work that has been limited to zoom for too long. This woman might like being a catholic, but she missing and searching for answers that she needs to hear. And the JW doctrine is very good at building a hope weaving together scriptures to respond to almost anything. And if it is not logical, keep calling on the name of god to make you feel like a special friend, which in turn will help you to push down the doubt. Good suggestion for her to sit and write down the questions that she would like most answered. No doubt she wants to remain a believer and she is very curious to investigate the JWs teaching more because of their attention and demeanor and despite her online research. So to get the curiosity out of her system, I say take them up on a zoom bible study with her questions already prepared. She might quickly see the truth on how much they rely on their own books and videos and pull her toward the GB in place of Christ. Once she gets them out of her system, possibly look up a bible study group with no affiliation to a religious institution and see if she gets answers from there. When it is all done, she might well see that she is fine on her own and ready to go in a completely different direction.

[@juschilln4904]

Bernie Madoff was nice too 🧙🏾‍♂️

[@theshadow532]

He wasn't following directions. When preaching in business territory you ALL WAYS i mean ALL WAYS go to the management first to get permission to leave literature if they say no, you leave, if they say yes you do it but don't over do it. They may change their minds. Not everyone is going to follow directions. That hurts others who are following the right directions

[@jolinamaitland0356]

Hazel... contact me. We will go through some story work. Make you feel more sure of your beliefs.

[@obedrosario853]

If you would join the Jw kiss your personal views good buy along with any close friends or family who don’t agree with JWs also the freedom of making real choices for yourself and even more 👍 all I got to say it’s similar to heavens gate group weird bug eyed guy and all

[@johnnyruins9025]

With jw the people they like to go after Catholics or any other Christian religions I had a women with a child come to my door a jw it was Jesus this and Jesus that hoping i am Christian and work on me from there if she was talking like that in front of other jw they think she has turned baptist or something.

[@William-Morey-Baker]

such a bizarre call... how the hell does this lady follow you but still feel drawn to JWs? i don't understand people sometimes...