Catholic Answers Focus | The Lady of All Nations Controversy | Tim Staples

Tim Staples joins us for a conversation about just where things stand regarding the alleged apparitions to Ida Peerdeman given new communications from the Vatican. Also, what does all this have to do with the push to dogmatically define Mary with words such as coredemtrix and mediatrix of all graces?
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[@jamesb6818]

I’m not catholic myself (wrestling with catholic doctrine) but I just want to say that I love my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. I was raised in a Protestant church tradition and after studying more of Catholic doctrine, I now see the total misrepresentation from a lot of Protestants on what the Catholic Church really believes. There’s was a time when I looked down at my Catholic bothers and sisters base on what I was told that you believe, for that I’m truly sorry and I totally repent. Thank you for this channel, it has been great to hear more of the Catholic perspective. I always appreciate the love and charity expressed here by everyone speaking on it. The Lord Bless you all..

[@peggyp3682]

Welcome!

[@vincenzorutigliano5435]

Nice to meet you

[@jamesb6818]

@@peggyp3682 God bless you Pegg P

[@jamesb6818]

@@vincenzorutigliano5435 Nice to meet you as well Vincenzo.. God Bless

[@Rsquared221b]

We love you too James! I was Protestant and converted almost two years ago. CA played a huge roll in my conversion. You are in a good place dude!

[@lemonprime7889]

Thank you for addressing and clarifying this issue.

[@lucillejerome5511]

Not clear at all: Mary cooperated but cannot be co-redemptrix. We all are to cooperate., and ok she did more. We love our Lady, but does she really need/want more honors from us? I think she might not because of her docility. Just my opinion that something like this is potentially very dangerous. There's only so much parsing that can be done.

[@MsDormy]

I have a lot of confusion with the Amsterdam vision; not least, the painting seems strangely un-Marian like - despite being a pretty lady in white, she seems to lack the grace and dignity that flows from images of Bernadettes vision, or the Miraculous medal image, for example. In the Amsterdam picture, as well, her face looks like the actress Anne Hathaway, who has recently described abortion as another word for ‘Mercy’ heaven forgive her. The painting also looks awkward, with its black cross and the people represented as sheep - which seems awkward, because despite Our Lord using Shepherd as metaphor, and Himself a ‘sacrificial Lamb’ I just think depicting the people of the world as a load of sheep is odd.

[@RoxanaKristina]

@@MsDormy why don't you first go and take a seat in front of Our lady's painting in Amsterdam, and then see what opinions you get after that ?...

[@ThePjakes]

Just out of interest, the weeping statue in Akita, Japan, is of the Lady of all Nations.

[@ericleming1734]

Jesus is love and he wants us to have a relationship with him forever amen on that.

[@bngr_bngr]

She never gave her self a name. As opposed to Apparitions of Mary. There was no apparition of Mary at Akita.

[@alster724]

I did notice that

[@lilyw.719]

@@bngr_bngr But the statue itself had been carved to represent Our Lady of All Nations. When you say that there was no apparition of Our Lady at Akita, you are technically correct in the sense that she did not appear. However, she spoke through the statue of Our Lady of All Nations, and it is a Church approved apparition.

[@bngr_bngr]

@@lilyw.719 the Holy See has approved the apparition?

[@CoolCatholics]

Thank you for the clear explanation, Tim!

[@joolz5747]

I just stick with Fatima and Lourdes. God is where I put my focus.

[@stephanielane1821]

And Our Lady of Guadalupe

[@ericleming1734]

Amen.

[@Kitiwake]

@@stephanielane1821 lovely.

[@laurachittenden6746]

That got to me, "I;am the Lady who used to be Mary"??? That is Heresy~ She seems to be calling for even more Modernism,That is already Leading the World to Perdition.

[@lucillejerome5511]

OMG -Yes!

[@noeldoyle4501]

Maybe it is not quite what you have interpreted, the person appearing did NOT say "...the person who is no longer Mary,...". Remember that she might be from Heaven, which is outside of time.

[@michaelhaywood8262]

Would you be able to look into the alleged apparitions at Garabandal in the Diocese of Santander in Spain. Many people seem to believe in them and are quoting them in reference to current events, but successive Bishops of Santander have ruled against them as 'not supernatural,'. i do not know if any Bishop of Santander has referred the matter either to the Spanish Bishops Conference or to the Vatican.

[@813infinityfilms123]

Why do you trust the bishops? The majority of them don't accept the 10 Commandments nor do they obey what Mary's request from Fatima!

[@calson814]

Yes many bishops contradicts the Faith but we should trust and pray for them. After all they represent Christ on earth.

[@813infinityfilms123]

You gentlemen better analyze your own reasoning and who you follow! You follow bishops who don't even protect the unborn and promote or are silent on sins of impurity!

[@devotions_MI]

Ave Maria! There is a lot of skewing of information in that talk... the term « co-redemptrix » have been used for centuries, St Alphonsus de Ligouri explains this well in « Glories of Mary. ». It was used repeatedly by St JPII. Ida Peerdamen had been working with a priest from the very beginning AND some of the predictions she have already been fulfilled (for example Vatican II). Sigh... you must continue to prayerfully discern of course, but the 5th Marian dogma was petitioned by St Maximilian Kolbe and St Mother Theresa of Calcutta... something to ponder. Why must this apparition be attacked now?

[@lucillejerome5511]

because it is incorrect. Doesn't matter who thought it was appropriate. Mary was relatively quiet when we read the bible. Why subseqently would she be so vocal when it is Jesus who is our Lord? Makes no sense.

[@valariousv7697]

Our Lady of America; She said it would convert the Country.... but nope, just ignore that one.

[@Hazi64]

I will not go into it, but had a profound life changing experience at Lourdes. I was only there for sake of another, really was not my bag. Two years on I spoke with a sister in confidence and belived me. For it took to Jesus and onto God. That is her job. She is beautiful and powerful, but will take to her son then the father.

[@Hazi64]

Also it is now coming up fours since Lourdes and looking to be confirmed.

[@charlessangma6900]

Mary was formerly known as Mary Help of Christian, now Mary or (Lady) of all Nation Help of all Nation because , Jesus Saviour says Go to all Nation or end of the earth and proclaimed the word of God ,and baptized in the Name of Father, Son Jesus and Holy spirit, AMEN t

[@ainestewart8775]

The prayer that Mary gave to lda is powerful. I prayed it constantly during the first lockdown but then moved on to 0ur lady of America with the upcoming elections : Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father, Send now your spirit over the earth. May your holy spirit dwell in the hearts of all nations, So that they may be preserved , from degeneration, disaster and war. May the lady of all nations , who once was Mary of Nazara, be our advocate!

[@CM-Benedictus]

To begin an brief presentation of why these titles are not "problematic" (I'm not arguing for this condemned apparition): does a Queen not have command over the House of her Lord? Does she not have access to his treasury by virtue of being Queen of Heaven and Earth as earthly queens would oft distribute the wealth of the castle to the poor (see: numerous queen saints) if this is the right of earlthy queens how much more Blessed Mary. Is Saint Maximilian Kolbe incorrect in his theology where he argues heavily that Mary as Immaculate Conception also shows her relation to the Holy Spirit and the trinity which follows etc... thus mediatrix of all Grace's through grace? Is the term Co-redemtorix problematic because "people dont understand", or we are worried about protestants? Neither it's not "problematic" to be misusedunderstood rather it is correct but we have not been able to give catechisis on hardly anything in the last 60 years... I agree the lady of the nations thing is definitely bad and it's a disservice to this theological debate to use such a alleged apparition. I also think we need to be careful treating the debate about Co-redemtorix and mediatrix of all Grace's as done per one statement of Vatican II which was not a restrictive statement. Finally, I would urge many to read the works of St Maximillian Kolbe and Fr. Peter Damian Felner the books St Maximilian Martyr of Charity Pnumatology and The Theologian of Auschwitz. I do not know who else has been pushing for these titles but even if some get things wrong I assure you I really think that Kolbe has untapped works and insights on this that many have not heard and these will be the difference. Thank you.

[@radalenegavrilcastillo4351]

I am pertaining to the topic of Mary wanted to call her mother of nation not just Mary.....

[@aretrograde7745]

I saw that imagine once and immediately knew something was up. I knew nothing about it, I just knew it looked suspicious.

[@marthaburdine395]

I had a life changing experience when I visited the chapel where Our Lady of all Nations is in Amsterdan. New times will try to eliminate more and more the different times when Our Lady has appear I am saddened by your jest disrespect and laughter in this web talk, since you are not an expert. May God forgive you the way you are criticized the apparition of HIS MOTHER.

[@RoxanaKristina]

Exactly !! Am also amazed how people did not even go and sit in the presence of Her wondrous painting in Amsterdam and are so ready to put her down.. Are these even intelligent compassionate people ?! Seem more like mediocre bashing tricksters looking to instigate to doubt and division

[@putinso3370]

@@RoxanaKristina Right. Let's be careful about such people.They put doubt in believer's faith.

[@radalenegavrilcastillo4351]

7:26 What I am actually trying to explain is that Mary, in Amsterdam, might have been wanting that she must not just be known as Mary, the Jewish woman, the Mother of Christ that would render her only a Mother (Lady) to those who were Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians..... but probably, Mary was wanting to make people know that she is a Mother to all nations, to all races to whom all nations could consecrate itself to her as a nation not just as an individual or religious..... I am only pertaining to that point of argument....

[@RoxanaKristina]

My feeling exactly, Universal Mother

[@julia-nu4fj]

I believe in many Marian apparitions but this one I do not.

[@lucillejerome5511]

Me too - to both of them. This started out as confusion about the Lady of all Nations. I was taught that during July 2007, the followers of this community were heretics and excommunicated by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The Lady of all Nations is in fact a heresy, not a 'confusion'. It was also called the Community of the Lay of all People (or the Army of Mary). The woman Marie Giguere taught that she was the reincarnation of Mary. That at the least was a heresy and also a psychotic delusion. No one is denying Mary any honors, but I question the need to give her another dogma based on private revelation/co-redemptrix. More focus on the teachings of Jesus and Trinity and moe bible study would be helpful. We don't need to prove we're Catholic by giving more and more to Mary so saying we can trust Tim Staples, a convert, makes absolutely no sense to me as an argument. We don't need more confusion, and co does mean equal in our language no matter how we parse the words/meaning. None of what I'm saying takes away from Mary's unique role, just please let's simplify. This is longer than expected, but one more thing: we already know if we are being honest that there are some Catholics who pray to and believe more in Mary than to our Lord! a No matter how many times we say we don't worship Mary, every time we add something it is more confusing to them and to protestants. This does not make sense. Sorry-that's my thought on this 'confusing' manner.

[@nicolelowe3619]

Just read the foreword to Bishop Strickland's book "Light and Leaven" Its amazing and at the end I saw that it was Cy Kellet that wrote it! Kuddos Cy! God bless you!

[@marymccannfrancis9855]

Amen 🙏♥️🙏📿

[@items7011]

I think the Virgins prophecy’s are right on target. And I think there are a lot of people out there that only want feel good news.

[@papuciowy1465]

'On January 4, 2021, "the Vatican’s doctrinal office has urged Catholics not to promote 'the alleged apparitions and revelations' associated with the Marian title of 'Lady of all Nations',” according to a Dutch bishop [2]. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s appeal was announced in a clarification issued Dec. 30 by Bishop Johannes Willibrordus Maria Hendriks of Haarlem-Amsterdam. Hendriks, who as the local bishop is primarily responsible for evaluating the apparitions, said that he had decided to issue the statement after consulting with the Vatican’s doctrinal congregation, which guides bishops in the discernment process.' [Wikipedia]

[@angelbaby78]

How about the diabolical apparitions of medjugorje?

[@berwynsigns4115]

My father in law believes in them. I don't believe in them at all but how is it harmful? What does it teach that is contrary to the Faith?

[@alpoole2057]

@@berwynsigns4115 the promises of seers. If one dies and it is diabolical and the person's faith is built on and around this it could destroy their faith. Have to be very careful with the subject and hope through prayer God will reveal to His children what is not from Him. It can be a terrible tragedy if prophecies do not come to pass.

[@Miatpi]

While the church has no official opinion the matter she has approved pilgrimages to the site, so there is nothing wrong in believing in them. With that said, I'm agnostic on their authenticity. It would be great if CA made an episode on it.

[@SonicSnakeRecords]

According to who, you? What authority do you have? The events at Medjugorje were Non constat de supernaturalitate (i.e., apparitions are neither approved nor condemned.

[@ainestewart8775]

Greetings from lreland! The prayer leaflet says Vrowe van alle Volkern, which translates as Lady of all peoples. I think " all Nations " is more encompassing than " the Nations." I have no problem with mystical co- redemption. How great was Jesus love for his blessed mother, the human love of clergy and men for her falls short. However the old Eve in the garden is still running fast from the New Eve. It's a blessing that we still have faith, hope and love or we might get depressed!

[@goletra]

You mean 5 million Catholics are wrong, this ONE time?

[@radalenegavrilcastillo4351]

15:03 But how could the world have its Mediator if Mary hasn't become docile to God? Remember, Mary has a free will, she could refuse but she submitted......She was not forced....so the eventuality of the Incarnation have partly depended on her Fiat......We usually forget Mary had a free will....

[@calson814]

Wow it pretty clear that you don't understand Tim's explanation🤦‍♂️

[@radalenegavrilcastillo4351]

7:26 Mary, if the apparition was authentic, might have been telling that she just doesn't want to be known as Mary, Mariam, a Jewish woman, who is the Mother of Christ, but instead, she might have actually wanted that all nations, even those which were not Jews, Christians for that matter, regard her as Mother to all Nations, Mother not only of the Jewish Christians but the Gentiles, the Christendom and if possible the all races and if still possible, all people.... In that point of argument, I think, you missed some point.....

[@LelaAukes]

Don’t Agee here. Is this protestant man, ? I believe in The Lady of all Nations.

[@johnnicholas1488]

I am sure this nice talk is well intended and historically accurate. However to me it feels like a babble of lawyer talk. I love Mary. It was Lourdes, Fatima, and Gaudalope which brought me home to Jesus. Everday I thank her. I would prefer to feel her compassion, her constant companionship, for she is always with me, than argue about the name or title to be affixed to the Sweet Lady. Categories, labels, concepts , "Isims" (as this word is used by the Author Nobel prize winner In Literature Issac Bashivus Singer . He said "' all isims are bad. " ). Well these words may be helpfull and utilitarian but in another sense they too may be bad. Words can limit us, lock us in and mislead . Someone said that when you name a thing you change it. It took me years to come to understand what these simple words mean. Oh well, your talk is well done, and I thank you for it . Keep up the good work. Kindness, peace, love, and devotion.

[@MrGuyJacks]

Like Medjugore then

[@ericfaith2810]

I think Pope Benedict XVI of blessed memory was right that it is problematic, and I think that perhaps that could have been the very thing that could have prevented World War 3 that both Josyp Terelya and Maria Esperanza predicted. All we can do is hope and pray 🙏 for the Divine Intervention of the Warning.

[@emilychorva]

When the vatican speaks, the matter is resolved.

[@whitewolf4096]

It’s Ishtar, read Jeremiah.

[@radalenegavrilcastillo4351]

so ang sabi ni Lady of all nations, nagloin cloth daw si Hesus...... she told Jesus wore loincloth on the cross.... it could.....

[@Carlos-vg8cr]

Well, it seems to me this "apparition" was preparing the path for Vatican II.

[@billchiburis8654]

No wonder even Satan disguise himself as a angel of light. 2nd Corinthians 11:14

[@andreeattieh2963]

Satan is trying to destroy the catholic church Satan cant cast out Satan jesus said so himself

[@billchiburis8654]

@@andreeattieh2963 the Catholic Church is apostate. Next question?

[@carissstewart3211]

@@billchiburis8654 nope.

[@billchiburis8654]

@@carissstewart3211 yes

[@carissstewart3211]

@@billchiburis8654 No, it's not. You can all it whatever name you want. That doesn't make it so.

[@midnightwatchman1]

Jesus is all we need. Jesus's work of grace is complete does not need any support from dead people. We the Believers the Saints living on earth right now are primarily responsible for the purposes of God on earth, through our prayers, our deeds and actions, and faith carrying out the purposes and command of God in the earth. Our brothers and sisters who are gone to be with our Lord have entered their rest and part of their reward. Whatever duties they have in heaven comes directly from Jesus.

[@quiricomazarin476]

Your not 100 right

[@midnightwatchman1]

@@quiricomazarin476 well maybe 99.9 but please explain the error

[@CheddarBayBaby]

Maybe the Bishops are corrupt and wrong and keeping us from the truth!

[@RoxanaKristina]

Definitely !! And Our Lady prophesied about the Catholic corrupt priests inside the Catholic church, hence why some priests are fighting against it

[@charnelallan7159]

For many shall come in my name preaching another gospel

[@dannisivoccia2712]

The lady of the nations? Does this have anything to do with the United Nations?

[@Kitiwake]

If it did it would say that.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

@@Kitiwake I thought that maybe they didn't want to go there.

[@radalenegavrilcastillo4351]

7:26 Tim you didn't get the point.....

[@peri2338]

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[@lonelyberg1316]

@@catholiccom 🤣 you also play

[@jamesb6818]

@@lonelyberg1316 You had your chance.... G

[@LelaAukes]

Don’t trust this person

[@charnelallan7159]

In Mary apparitions she asked to concecrate to her where is this in the Bible this is contrary to scripture it's not of God consecration is only to Jesus she calls herself mediatrix between God and man if so then the Bible contradicts itself wake up from ur slumber

[@Kitiwake]

Well... The bible isn't the authority.. The church is the authority. So your point falls at the first hurdle.

[@clowney28]

Is the Church not a living Church. Does not the Holy Spirit guide it into all truths. To ask where it is in the Bible means you have closed your eyes to the history of the Church. The Holy Spirit works in the Church guiding it in all truths. Does that mean Christ lied when he said, "He (the Holy Spirit) will guide you into all truths".

[@charnelallan7159]

@@Kitiwake my god thank u every knee shall bow not to Rome a blasphemous institution from its inception all in the name of Christ wow unto u who preach another gospelso Rome's authorities exceed that of the word of God yet u claim u created the Bible one has to be dumb to not see through these Heracles and blatant hypocrisy just watch

[@charnelallan7159]

@@clowney28 ur brainwashed the fall of this false system is eminent just watch

[@charnelallan7159]

@@Kitiwake which the RCC is the authority on gods word since the very institution that twisted scripture manipulated the world Economic system under false pretence all in the name of Christ, that very institution that have man-made dogmas which clearly contradict the word of God those evil Popes that for centuries have persecuted Christians , sold indulgences robbed the poor who built a multimillion dollar empire on wat dats who u defend because ur spiritually blind the truth is right in front of u the same Bible u claim to have created u don't read u stray from the actual script wake up u can't call evil good u can't rewrite the repent come out of her u Will continue God move just like he is about to shake Washington he will shake the Vatican the RCC people eyes r beginning to open nothingness u can say to refute this all straws because the Bible is truth revelations 13 is unveiling right before our very eyes I pray God open ur eyes come out of her

[@billchiburis8654]

Where’s that in the scriptures?

[@Jrayhood]

we do not follow man made sola scriptura.

[@Jrayhood]

that is for the 500 year old man made religion

[@adancitomaldonado2198]

@@Jrayhood We don't follow man made traditions as venerated.

[@adancitomaldonado2198]

IDK Mary is dead sleeping

[@mx_moi1964]

@@adancitomaldonado2198 veneration is not a man-made tradition. Honoring holy people who have lived their lives for Christ passed on isn’t something bad. The only reason why we honor them is that they have lived their lives for GOD!

[@charnelallan7159]

Y not ask God for discernment of all these apparitions instead of the Vatican

[@clowney28]

If we have a visible Church established by Christ making Peter the head or the rock or the foundation of it. Why should we not go there otherwise what is the point of a Church. How would individuals on our own ask God for discernment? The prostants reformers tried that but what happened they seperated from the church and now look there are 10's of thousands of denominations amongst the protestants. Each thought they did discernment from God. Look Christ prayed for unity within the Church until the end of age.

[@charnelallan7159]

@@clowney28 for many shall come in my name preaching another gospel that my friend is totally contradicting to scripture ur totally brainwashed to say that the Vatican words is above the use of the holy Spirit in seeking discernment whether something is of God or not omg the shallow length to which u all go to defend this spellbound false institution is unbelievable it's clear u lack a relationship with the holy Spirit ur dogma is based solely on Rome

[@coleaperry]

@@charnelallan7159 go read history- not just the Bible(which is a Catholic book!)

[@charnelallan7159]

@@coleaperry u translated the Bible yeah u mean like William tinsdale how ironic u murdered and tortured the very people who assisted u in the spreading of the gospel mm u can't rewrite history my friend go tell ur tales to persons who only do as they're told not wat they ought to

[@charnelallan7159]

@@coleaperry fables the Catholic wrote the Bible which u obviously follow omg I rebuke u and all ur lies