Why Sunshine’s Volcano is the Worst Level Nintendo Ever Made.

[@sablonanime650]

Ceave then: Here's this cool mario maker trick Ceave now: Game industry messed up also I have a face

[@Michirin9801]

Hard to ignore it anymore innit?

[@meriotroid]

I like the new video format/topics better ngl

[@sablonanime650]

@@meriotroid I do too

[@arthurjeannin3357]

@@meriotroid I -really- don't, since there's waaaay enough youtubers doing stuff with facecam on these kind of subjects. Nintendo's not a good company, that's nothing new, but I'm more interested in fun themes than in rehashing that stuff while being overly critical on facecam. To each their own tho!

[@fluffynator6222]

@@arthurjeannin3357 Honestly, is there ever a good company?

[@HonkeyKongLive]

That surprise breakdown of the short term profit incentive was impressive.

[@DallinBackstrom]

the profit motive strikes again

[@z-beeblebrox]

"Shiny but deadly coins" takes on a whole new meaning

[@gamermapper]

Capitalism.

[@Patralgan]

it really was. It should be obvious, but it wasn't, at least to me. I'm very thankful of this video.

[@arnoldsenokopenko6093]

@@gamermapper Ah yes, the obligatory "Capitalism." comment. Because we all know the best videogames come from socialist countries.

[@Player_X_YT2]

Alt title: Roasting nintendo until they put global ground icicles back day 7

[@jaydentt]

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[@johannesboomsma4680]

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[@rojastegulu]

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[@xquas]

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[@jan-lukas]

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[@TwitterVS]

Now I want a remake of Sunshine with additional levels, fixed bugs and a revamped volcano

[@anastasis2586]

3D All-Stars: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that.

[@ProjectEchoshadow]

Yeah let’s make the volcano worse

[@sometechydude2324]

Nintendo: Yeah, let’s just put a time restriction on it, then we don’t have to put in any work and we can still reap the rewards!

[@PurpleColonel]

Check out Super Mario Sunburn, and don't tell Nintendo!

[@DE23]

Like Mario 64 DS?

[@Ivytheherbert]

Luckily when they finally got around to re-releasing Sunshine 18 years later, they actually fixed the problems and didn't just do the same thing by rushing out the original running on an emulator, right?

[@mariophreak]

This would be funny if it wasn't so depressing.

[@violetsparkles5453]

That would require effort

[@ryanm8529]

It's an emulated port

[@mariophreak]

@@ryanm8529 That's kind of the point.

[@violetsparkles5453]

@@ryanm8529 whoosh

[@killean2645]

I never beat Sunshine as a kid because of that stupid boat. Who decided to place a boat in a lava lake?

[@nukiradio]

I love how the broken leaves melt in the water, but the boat is fine in the lava

[@Luci_Diavol]

The boat's designed for mud, it's fine

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

The devs.

[@YounesLayachi]

Just be slow and methodical about it, you can trade skill for patience.

[@General12th]

The boat mechanics make perfect sense, based on conservation of angular momentum.

[@Anddroiden]

This channel that started with dodging evil coins is now lowkey about Nintendo's business and design practices

[@gnarly.bulblax]

And-a KZbin’s!

[@ucantbeme]

It started with Mario Maker tips tho

[@jakedematteo2172]

Yeah. And it’s slowly becoming worse. Funnily enough, he’s cashing in our trust

[@frogg4711]

@@jakedematteo2172 if anything it's getting better, it's gone from a generic channel video to an insightful commentary into the gaming industries political practices

[@jakedematteo2172]

@@frogg4711 yeah, that’s the problem. A lot of his videos like this are extremely misinformed

[@JoeContext]

"Shiny, yet deadly coins" is taking on a whole new meaning.

[@pedrosaraiva]

you know, one of the biggest comforts I find in my 30’s is to find out that all those levels that made me feel I was missing something on the gameplay are actually the developers fault, not mine. Im a good gamer

[@h.o.c.1753]

Ah KZbin, such a magical place... A place where highly sexual content aimed at children is promoted (logan paul, all the strange spider man + elsa shit, a lot of ads, lele pons, use) but you have to censor the title of a maro level

[@jackburns6403]

Yeah youtube is actual garbage these days but everyone uses it so its impossible to switch to a better site

[@picanigeorgello2847]

@@jackburns6403 I dont think that's the only issue tbh, other websites probably have issues with server space and delivering high quality video to users

[@shayboual1892]

@@jackburns6403 KZbin isn't actually profitable, other companies wouldnt really want to take its place cuz it doesn't make money

[@ngotemna8875]

@@shayboual1892 What? Back in 2019 YT Was responsible for 10% of Google's overall revenue. Rakes in billions for Google. Where did you get the notion that the MOST USED VIDEOPLATFORM on the planet wouldn't generate money?

[@shayboual1892]

@@ngotemna8875 yeah ur right. Technically we don't know if yt is profitable because they don't release that data but with 15 bill from ads I've have to say it is

[@kees0313]

"One of them is weird" *shows luigis mansion 3* Me:I guess that's fair

[@caydenjohns2440]

It’s weird but good

[@Kelarys]

I feel like Ceave might really dislike Luigi's Mansion 3, which is confusing because I think it's a fabulous game? He always seems to be making subtle jabs at it, but I actually can't tell if he means it or not

[@senecavermeulen8110]

@@Kelarys I also hate it tbh, I prefer Dark Moon much more

[@clara4687]

In my opinion its as good as the first Luigis Mansion. It may be weird, but its also good

[@Kelarys]

@@senecavermeulen8110 fascinating, because I think Luigi's Mansion 2 is such an abomination it's a miracle they greenlit the 3rd game which saved the series

[@looserdood]

KZbin: demonetizes the word “corona” Ceave: S U N S H I N E V O L C A N O

[@kly8105]

It's not just the italian but also the spanish word for crown.

[@looserdood]

@Kly I know that

[@rk31]

i live in a city named corona

[@BooksandBuns]

Also Polish, but with a k instead of a c

[@LamgiMari]

@HF gaming A popular Austrian skiing town is named "Sankt Corona". Perhaps it's that one.

[@Jacob-Sophia]

I absolutely love this channel’s transformation into a soft economic/political commentary channel based on video games. You’ve really found your niche and I’m enjoying it.

[@kittli9227]

Yeah I also really love it! Amazing content😍

[@frogg4711]

This channel has improved from a channel I watch to waste time to one of my favorite youtube channels

[@legoboy7107]

I do still miss him being like the Mario Maker science guy though. I really liked all the Mario Maker videos.

[@sagacious03]

@@legoboy7107 Yeah, I'm more into the scientific & analysis stuff that explains more mechanical things. "Is X Level fun/well-designed?" is only sort of fulfilling that niche for me?

[@JD-xz1mx]

Hard disagree. He objectively has no idea what he's talking about on economic issues.

[@your_sweetpea]

The boat section gets 1000% easier if you use a speedrun strategy called "speedboat", funnily enough. This strategy involves pushing against every instinct you have and just going to the back of the boat and spraying full throttle, using small left and right movements to adjust your heading. It's really funny to me because it is *genuinely easier* than the way casual players drive the boat, even on your first try, but no casual player would ever, unprompted, choose to do it because it's an utterly ridiculous thing to do, going full throttle on a boat you're already struggling to control.

[@Neo_Bones]

“Guys the Volcano in Mario Sunshine predicted 2020!”

[@sm.r3751]

So did corona beer

[@theoldfinalchapters8319]

Ah yes, Censored Mountain. Who doesn't remember dealing with that mess?

[@Merennulli]

Probably not the first time it's been called "censored mountain" either.

[@souljynx]

yeah I never liked [REMOVED TO CONFORM WITH LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL CENSORSHIP LAWS] mountain

[@skeletoncrew2004]

I was crying playing it on 3d all stars Its so frustrating

[@undefined06855]

C O R O N A Mountain.

[@avery-u1w]

me because i was like 5

[@calebeedude5331]

I love how each video he makes just seems like a retrospective at first, but turns into a big lesson in game design

[@chandler2581]

I only recently got to play Sunshine for the first time and I was surprised that Corona Mountain was the final level. It really doesn't feel like a final level. When it dropped me into the Bowser fight, my first thought was: "Wait, that was it?" I had a harder time navigating Rico Harbor.

[@ppowersteef]

This went from "I didn't knew you can water slide with Fludd" to "I didn't knew that the gamecube era wasn't actually selling well" by the end of the video.

[@Tamacat388]

Its so nuts how as a kid the three consoles felt like they were all equally popular but really the Gamecube and Xbox sold like 20+ mil copies compared to the PS2 selling 150+ or so? Insane. In retrospect I guess it explains why Nintendo decided to never release a direct competitor to a Playstation ever again.

[@typhoonthunder]

there's actually an unused title card for corona mountain in the files of the game, which lends extra credence to the idea that corona mountain was going to be an actual level instead of a bonus stage!

[@MillRunner]

The recent Mario 3D Collection shows that Nintendo is trying other questionable ways of getting money through exploiting trust and nostalgia...

[@spongey01234]

@OctagonalSM64 nostalgia isn't all about graphics

[@jacketofdiamonds]

@@spongey01234 woosh

[@dylandoyle9079]

@OctagonalSM64 That's really dumb then. They all have their own controls, level design and aesthetics that separate them from Odyssey. The 3D All Stars collection is a loveless cash grab designed to make money with nostalgia, cruddy limited-time releases and nothing more. No polish, no extras, no care. In a market where games are remade from the ground up to be modern works, three untouched emulators from one of the biggest companies is egregious and you shouldn't defend it.

[@darkgrundi9543]

@OctagonalSM64 why would anybody buy them then? I can play all of those on my original consoles in their shitty graphic, but my eyes will burn down doing so, because i am used to better graphic now. Why would i play something which looks as shitty as the original. Nostalgia has nothing to do with graphics. It is the games mechanics that made it worth it back then.

[@Pixiuchu]

@OctagonalSM64 I'll only be earning money in april (if borders open March 1st). Guess I won't play the rereleases (:

[@kwisowofer9872]

That coin flip sound effect actually startled me

[@SushiVolcano]

There was a coin flip sound?

[@kwisowofer9872]

Süshi~Vølcano at 5:15

[@NonisLuck]

ME TOO! I looked around me hahahaha

[@cranjismcbasketball3513]

Not gonna lie I only died once on pachinko. That lily pad red coin river is ten times worse

[@devin5201]

I had the opposite experience, I got terrible luck in the pachinko stage but entering the lillypad stage knowing how notorious it was I was super cautious and used fludd to almost completely stop the lillypad and take my sweet time collecting the coins.

[@cranjismcbasketball3513]

Well since the lily pads are more about skill, it took me like 15 tries. I would get close to the coins and barely miss them. I don’t know if I got lucky on pachinko, I just kinda played it safe and lined up myself

[@devin5201]

@@cranjismcbasketball3513 yeah that's another point, steering the pads is a skill you can learn and also you find them in other places while the weird physics of the pachinko machine are seemingly random and you only find them in that stage so you can't learn it.

[@cranjismcbasketball3513]

@@devin5201 yeah, so many people complain about chucksters but it really comes down to aiming where you talk to them

[@devin5201]

@@cranjismcbasketball3513 one thing I'll give people is that these things, lilly pad, boats, chucksters, Noki Bay scuba diving, these things don't build on the core mechanics that really make Sunshine so fun instead opting to halt the action completely in favor of weird gimmicky junk.

[@rattyeely]

I love the new direction this channel has taken. The video essay format but applied to video game mechanics is so fun, and I'm addicted to the "the year is 19xx" sections.

[@Wirby.]

I come in these videos expecting a reason on “why sunshine’s mountain is the worst level ever made” then come out with a whole ton of information that I never knew before.

[@notapro6430]

All 7 Ocarina of Time Water Temple fans are popping off right now

[@milanbeerepoot4260]

You know we are

[@PlaguedByEarth]

There are dozens of us!

[@lordoffrogs6786]

At least the 3DS version made it actually good. Great even.

[@panampace]

Here i am. You're right.

[@psuedonym9999]

Yes.

[@hmmmm398]

Ceave realy rants about Sunshine a good bit.

[@AtLeast3Characters743]

*really*

[@mustacheman9553]

@@AtLeast3Characters743 nobody cares

[@Nintendogeek46]

As he should

[@chantelled2546]

MARIO SUNSHINE IS EASY

[@betterbetter3930]

@@chantelled2546 its hard Shut up

[@1337metalfan]

I absolutely agree that they learned their lesson on this front. Just look at how long BotW was delayed before they finally had it ready. Or better yet, restarting from square one on Metroid Prime 4 after it not living up to their vision after years of development on it.

[@SongbirdOfficial]

And yet they also released the All Stars Collection for a limited time and also the whole shift in design philosophy of recent Pokemon games.

[@GygasDistruttore]

@@SongbirdOfficial yeah, the timed and emulated incomplete collection doesn't paint a good picture. So does Pokémon, and the insistence about the non-existence of the joycon drift.

[@SongbirdOfficial]

@Ariel Troncoso Well, them being complacent to it is also a problem, is it not? :P

[@DrakiniteOfficial]

Unrealistic deadlines: The destroyer of good games.

[@juannaym8488]

The destroyer of any good work

[@Dummigame]

Also known as companies being companies

[@peeelan]

This is the most elaborate “slow and steady wins the race” tale I’ve ever heard

[@krysto2012]

Ironic that the closest Mario has come to burning down was inside a volcano.

[@ekuu8918]

Isn't that the opposite of ironic? 🤔

[@terradasher]

@@ekuu8918 no, irony can go both ways

[@groszak1]

Nintendo had to rush the level so they almost burned their company in attempt to make volcano level

[@danielwan2410]

also there is the name.....

[@Merennulli]

@@ekuu8918 A physical object burning in a physical volcano would be the opposite of ironic because there is a causal connection to make it expected. An intellectual property metaphorically burning due to something that by simple coincidence happened to be volcano themed is ironic because without any causal connection it happened upon a thematic connection.

[@elliotburing87]

It’s heartbreaking to realize they did what they did to save a dying console that may not of sold well but has some of the best games (and quite a few of my personal faves) to ever be made on it.

[@WaterKirby1994]

GameCube wasn't dying it was merely facing the most intense competition to ever exist. PS2 was an unstoppable force & Nintendo was starting to panic. What I will never understand is how Xbox sold 20 Million Units when it had such a poor library compared to PS2 & GameCube.

[@TheKastellan]

I saw the title and got confused when it said "Volcano" Then I remembered the "Mountain's" name.

[@DaxSchaffer]

I love Sunshine, but its shortcomings are unavoidable in any playthrough. It really makes me wonder what might have been if they had spent more time polishing it like Galaxy or Odyssey.

[@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171]

We wouldn't have stupid hit box glitches, weird FLUDD physics when on a trampoline in the Pachinko stage, no Pachinko stage, teaching you how to correctly use the boat, and Corona Mountain apparently was a full course originally. Imagine a Bowser In The Sky-style volcano stage.

[@callmeobsequious]

@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 I don't think we wouldn't have had the pachinko machine game if Nintendo hadn't rushed, to be honest. We wouldn't have had that really annoying bug for sure, though. But the concept for the pachinko level is actually really cool, and could've worked well if they polished that experience. Would I miss THIS SPECIFIC pachinko stage experience? No. But I'd like to see what a good fix would be.

[@digitaldigdug7811]

Thats easy to say when Sunshine didn't have the modern benefit of zero day patches. Nowadays, a game can be launched basicallly half done and just have the fixes waiting on install.

[@TheTrueBrawler]

​@@digitaldigdug7811 64 and Galaxy also didn't have the modern benefits of zero day patches, and neither of them felt anywhere near as rushed as Sunshine did. In fact, they both barely felt rushed at all for their respective times. Clearly Nintendo is capable.

[@Mauripsu]

"KZbin doesn't like the Italian word for crown" Try the Spanish one

[@Anodoni]

You do know that the Spanish and Italian word for crown are the same... ?

[@Mauripsu]

@@Anodoni joke /dʒəʊk/ noun a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.

[@Mauripsu]

@@Anodoni If that was a bit too rough, I do know. That's the joke. I'm a Spaniard myself

[@nukiradio]

@@Anodoni that's the *joke*

[@dinoman6481]

Love how people can't say the real name of this level these days because it has the c-word.

[@williamdrum9899]

Doesn't make any sense tbh

[@anawesomedude4358]

???

[@jyjaeskz]

What word tho

[@jyjaeskz]

Is it corana mountain?

[@anawesomedude4358]

@@jyjaeskz yeah

[@TheStrangeBloke]

What's curious to me is that the best selling game on the gamecube, melee, was *also* a totally rushed, messy affair and yet its fans just ended up loving it in spite of (and to some extent because of) that.

[@incorporealnuance]

_watches the whole video, then takes a long, sad look at Pkmn Sword & Shield_

[@PanGuy_]

They're really not bad imo

[@Bookmaster19]

I read this as "Pikmin Sword and Shield" and was very confused.

[@louiepikmin3184]

I loved sword and shield. But if they even waited another YEAR and polished it like they polished the dlc, they could've been some of the best pokemon games. But instead, the pokemon company decided to give them an unreasonable time to finish it and it ended up being slightly better than the other 3d games, which isn't saying much

[@Polska_Edits]

My biggest problem with it is the lack of All pokemon, especially beloved ones like garchomp. Oh and a moves/ mega evolution being gone.

[@louiepikmin3184]

@@Polska_Edits I was honestly fine with that. My problem was just how rushed it felt. Like so many aspects of the game could've been just amazing but they rushed it out and you can notice that lack of polish. Take the story, for example. It wasn't bad, but they could've definitely let you have more involvement in it for example.

[@NinjaKingAce]

Even if Sunshine was rushed, it's hard to blame them. To this day I still hear people say that one of the main reasons the Gamecube failed was "not having a core Mario game at launch"

[@Clever_Potato]

Right when "Episode 2: How to Burn Down a Franchise" showed up I got an ad for Mario's 35th anniversary. I thought that was funny!

[@magicalgio]

"KZbin doesn't like the Italian "crown" mountain." I am actually laughing WAY hard that I should (I am Italian ngl)

[@excrementgaming9050]

Whats the italian word for crown?

[@Polska_Edits]

Same with other launges btw

[@MyHandleIsAplaceholder]

@@excrementgaming9050 corona

[@magicalgio]

@@excrementgaming9050 basically the name of the virus

[@magicalgio]

@@MyHandleIsAplaceholder can KZbin demonetize comments?

[@darkdakurai3292]

Ah yes, I remember how hard headgear that kings and queen's wear to show royalty mountain was for me

[@nukiradio]

Oh yeah... carolla mountain. Good times, that toyota mario

[@Polska_Edits]

Yeah! Head mountain was *pain*

[@benikujaku4567]

Isn't it tiara mountain?

[@turtleturtleturtleturtle]

for me headgear that kings and queens wear to show royalty mountain wasn't that hard. I died several times but it was easy if compared to SPOILER ALERT FOR SUPER MARIO ODYSSEY Darker side of the moon

[@devin5201]

Carlotta Mountain

[@devilette]

This level was the singular reason I just stopped playing Sunshine on my most recent playthrough after not playing it since I as a kid. This game had so much more BS in it than I remembered.

[@Insanityy2323]

I quit cause of the chuckster secret level lol

[@YounesLayachi]

Try to get the 8 red coins in the final (8th) level of Monte village

[@gnarly.bulblax]

I just wish they actually play-tested their game

[@ZackBogucki]

@@gnarly.bulblax Not sure if you missed the entire second half of the video, but I guarantee Sunshine's problems didn't come from a lack of testing. These were almost certainly known problems that weren't given the resources they needed to be fixed.

[@gnarly.bulblax]

@@ZackBogucki I was being sarcastic

[@ZackBogucki]

Situations like this also bring up interesting design philosophy questions. For instance, when remastering a flawed game, is it worth improving rushed aspects and fixing old bugs, or is it more important to keep the original intact as much as possible under a fresh coat of aesthetic paint? I know which approach I'd prefer every time, but it's not so straightforward as it seems.

[@mangelsimonpaniello2256]

I feel like you really downplayed the consequences that would've been if the company had been literally eaten up by Sony. I for one am glad that Nintendo survived, even if it costed half of Sunshine to do so

[@flow1194]

who would win? a: The Volcano b: Ceave's Waterbottle

[@thebrowncow441]

Waterbottole

[@IvanFranco120]

a

[@flow1194]

@Bartek Zabawa :

[@flow1194]

@Bartek Zabawa

[@thetempest9330]

"Their games almost never feel like a rushed mess" Pokemon sword and shield have entered the chat

[@vyor8837]

switch BotW too...

[@Michirin9801]

Umm, when has a Pokemon game NOT felt like a rushed mess? lol

[@vyor8837]

@@Michirin9801 Emerald, gen 2, gen 3...

[@ramensamosa8186]

@@vyor8837 ?? How's switch botw rushed?

[@vyor8837]

@@ramensamosa8186 it's performance was ass on launch

[@LowReedExpert1]

That is most fair and true to life description of the boat I've heard. People over exaggerate it acting like it's bad enough to just be luck based when in reality it is really easy to control, but boring.

[@andyn46]

I’m not a super regular viewer, but I’ve been watching your stuff for a few years on off and I gotta say it’s always so weird whenever I see a KZbinrs face for the first time that I only ever associated with a voice. That Mitten Squad face reveal is the one in recent memory that hit me the hardest

[@theunknowndrummer2972]

When you can’t say the name of the volcano because the video will get flagged as talking about a pandemic

[@mickgorro]

"Demonetized Mountain"

[@DiamondRocksIt]

First the beer and now Sunshine’s volcano. Any other unfortunate names of things out there? (Also notification squad rise up)

[@AxxLAfriku]

Why is Donald Trump pretty and I am not? But why does he only have a wife but I have TWO HOT GIRLFRIENDS who I show off in my masterpiece YT videos? Do you know the answer, dear dia

[@mr.monchie6231]

@@AxxLAfriku what...

[@binglerinosthefirst1848]

Im notif squad

[@yesnomaybesoidk]

RISE UPPP

[@dangerjones4632]

There's also the Vtuber doggo, Korone.

[@deboogs]

"The volcano in Sunshine is the one time Nintendo came dangerously close to actually burning down their entire company." Look those Corona Mountain blue coins are hard to get but they aren't THAT hard to get.

[@thepaperplush9340]

Yes they are

[@GamerLeFay]

The same exact thing happened with Wind Waker! Rushed out to meet a Christmas deadline in order to prop up the Gamecube, so it had a lot of cut content and became a real slog in the second half. Even if you don't know that going in, you can just *feel* that stuff was cut as you're playing it. And then it too ended up not meeting Nintendo's expectations, and they (to my knowledge) didn't rush another Zelda game since. (I mean, just look at how long it's taking for them to even *mention* Breath of the Wild 2 again...)

[@lightningbug6234]

I wish I could experience the alternate universe where Sunshine wasn't rushed to release and has much more content and fewer bugs

[@a-zadri]

First, Ceave hates coins Now, Ceave has moved onto capitalism And I'm here for it

[@WaluigiisthekingASmith]

This entire short term profits over long term sustainability thing is less because of capitalism and more because people don't behave rationally. It's largely a consequence of delay discounting where people care more about a small benefit in the short term rather than a big one in the long term. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_discounting

[@BeaverThingify]

@@WaluigiisthekingASmith Tragedy of the Commons.

[@ebonyobrien5895]

....which is such a common thing BECAUSE of capitalism and how it functions 😐

[@orb3796]

@@ebonyobrien5895 exactly

[@WaluigiisthekingASmith]

@@ebonyobrien5895 uh no? Procrastination is this exact thinking but it's not dependant on the existence of capitalism.

[@redanglerfish]

I feel like this video woke me up to why we keep getting broken games lately.. it’s sad :(

[@IvanFranco120]

Yeah, it really bad.

[@frogg4711]

It's capatilism functioning as intended

[@atkvin]

I learned recently (well, I think I learned it from Jim Sterling before but forgot) that most of the budget studios announce for their games, unless explicitly described to fund the games, is just for marketing. All that money used to justify raising prices, just to advertize and market the damn thing and make CEOs even more money that will barely trickle down to developers crunching to ship out the product that will already be set up to fail the astronomical expectations.

[@ericjamesraackf]

Speaking of remakes they wasted the potential to fix some issues on sunshine on the 3D All-stars collection

[@Tatokat]

3D All-stars is not a remake. If it was, all three games would have been sold separately to the full prize. You know, like every other actual remake.

[@AlryFireBlade]

@@Tatokat you mean like the remakes of spyro and crash bandicoot? Oh wait the are sold as 3 games in 1 for less money. And these games were really created, not mostly only portet.

[@Tatokat]

@@AlryFireBlade No, I'm talking about remakes like "Link's Awakening" or "Final Fantasy VII" or "Demon's Souls". All sold to the full prize (or more) upon release. The difference between the ones you named and the ones I named, is that yours haven't gotten all that much love over the years. Remakes are a good way to see whether there are actually still people who would buy those games if you're planning on ever continuing a pretty much dead franchise, or to get back into the good graces of the fanbase if you screwed up with previous games. If you make a remake for those reasons, you of course ask for less money. But the Mario franchise is still very much alive and very well received, so there is absolutely no reason for Nintendo to do that.

[@ericjamesraackf]

It would be more akin to bug fixes and minor adjustments I suppose. Patches weren't a possibility back in the gamecube days but these aren't the gamecube days anymore

[@AlryFireBlade]

@@Tatokat No to me its an asshole move to sell the same games again for so much money.

[@breakingglass27]

I managed to figure out the sweet spots for controlling the boat after a few frustrating deaths, and it ended up being very quick and easy. Try it yourself: when you're standing in the back half of the boat, spraying water left turns you left, and spraying right turns you right (the opposite of what you would think, but it's consistent). Once you learn to stay out of the front of the boat, you can get the blue coins in three minutes. Also, you can find some KZbin videos about how to cheese the pachinko level, I managed to get it first try with those tips

[@OwenAdamsMusic]

I think it's also possible that they just made some mistakes lol. Every released game is "rushed" in some way or another, like, if you spend too much time striving for ultimate perfection, nothing will ever be finished! Love the new video style dude.

[@Chocice75]

[insert passive-aggressive comment about how the Volcano isn't the worst level Nintendo made because other game level bad here]

[@Aleks-hp8pr]

*cough* overthere stair *cough*

[@roze6001]

@@Aleks-hp8pr personally I hated the space Chapter 4 much much more. Not even the Whoa Zone though, that was somewhat bearable. It's the two levels before it where you're at the mercy of vortices in the middle of space, there are zero hints of where to go and the music is annoying as hell. (Super Paper Mario is my favourite Paper Mario tho)

[@Anodoni]

​@@Aleks-hp8pr Nintendo didn't make that though. Yeah I know, Intelligent Systems are a second-party Nintendo developer, but it's still not a *_Nintendo_* level.

[@SourBoy]

"Why Sunshine’s Volcano is the Worst Level Nintendo Ever Made." Wait you mean Coro-oh... I see

[@diamondjub2318]

fun fact, the boat controls actually make sense, spraying to the left in the front of the boat turns the boat right, spraying left in the back turns the boat left, and vice versa

[@Polska_Edits]

Yea but the water would evaporate also, wood on lava

[@diamondjub2318]

@@Polska_Edits there's a guy renting those same boats in noki bay and he says theyre made of mud

[@MYNAMACHEF]

@@Polska_Edits the hover function of fludd would be physically impossible in real life, why even bring up logic in a videogame

[@jakl]

I lost it at "..leading up to demonetize mountain" 😂

[@ItsMrBozToYou]

I could feel the struggle from all of that Pachinko footage. I haven't even played it and I can imagine the joystick slammed all the way to the left and Mario's just... stuck.

[@Melloaf]

"Nintendo release good games, but some were weird..." (puts footage of luigis mansion 3) me: And I took that personally.

[@koolaid33]

Same, Luigi doesn't deserve that type of disrespect and cruelty. Also shouldn't Luigi's Mansion 3 technically be called Luigi's Hotel?

[@SuperLuigiGuy64]

@@koolaid33 yes, it should have been lol.

[@jasonreed7522]

@@koolaid33 the thing is the brand is "Luigi's Mansion" which immediately tells us Luigi is vacuuming up ghosts. Like how "Super Mario ______" is the brand for 3D Mario game with fun platforming. "Luigi's Hotel" probably wouldn't sell as well due to the less consistent branding.

[@yoshifighter727]

It took me FOREVER to beat Corana Mountain when I was a kid

[@Flymerick]

The familiar voice, the familiar music, the familiar themes... watching Ceave videos is like watching your favourite TV series! Entertaining, instructive... we never get bored!

[@Flymerick]

And I wrote this before seeing that the video is divided in episodes lol

[@connorp3764]

0:12 that transition was pretty sick, props to your editing skills.

[@divVerent]

Use of Delfino Plaza music for the volcano section was GREAT. After all, this music now means "you just went past the goal and can't go back anymore" in SMM2 troll levels.

[@HylianSwordsman1]

I love how he wasn't afraid of the pitchforks of Sunshine fans because he knows even us Sunshine fans hate that level.

[@rohanisya2]

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[@ConnorTheUndying]

This... really hits different as of late. Nintendo learned the lesson of not rushing games a long time ago, and in an age where companies are too big for those losses to affect them? Nintendo seems to be the only one who's going out of their way to make complete experiences instead of rushing out games to meet a market trend.

[@jcunj2051]

Spaniards reading Corona Mountain: Yeah it’s crown mountain Everyone else: it’s pestilence mountain

[@liovaperez2227]

Basically what Game Freak does with Pokemon. They didn't learn the lesson, though.

[@Lilybun]

Yet pokemon keeps selling gangbusters with worse and titles unlike mario sunshine which flopped so they had to start making polished games again. At this point pokemon fans deserve what they get... Scarlet and violet sold 10 million copies in just 3 days while sunshine by comparison sold about a million copies during its entire launch week. Until people stop buying the games pokemon company has 0 reason to put any development time or money into the titles. If anything they're incentivized to invest less since the product sells well regardless

[@siphillis]

“Wind Waker” was also rushed out the door, hence the Triforce fetch quest at the end. Nintendo was in bad shape after the N64 and GameCube flopped.

[@catriamflockentanz]

1:01 "I see" sounding like "icy" whilst showing the "icy" intro of DKCTF. Well edited Ceave, well edited.

[@ChristopherMoom]

3:39 I would honestly be completely unsurprised if KZbin ended up demonitizing Ceave just for this clip alone

[@chamtheman551]

Haven't seen you in a while

[@j03man44]

I'm worried that Nintendo as a whole is moving the way of the Pokemon company. Where the movies, merchandise, mobile games, and theme parks become so profitable that the console games become mediocre afterthoughts.

[@RedWhaley14]

This channel has experienced one of the biggest 180’s in terms of the tone of the quality of their videos, and I’m all for it. I’ve always been a fan of your more laid back silly content but your recent, more serious content concerning topics that a lot of people would gloss over has been really good. It’s been very nice to see the evolution of your channel, because while your previous content was already pretty good, your new content is much more impressive Thanks for all of your great content, and continue making exceptional videos like this one. The passion and drive behind your new videos has been very very tangible and I think you deserve way more subscribers.

[@UndertaleFan-cx2mc]

The level aged as well as its name. I beat the Pachinko stage first try, by the way. No secrets will be revealed!

[@chinchilla2302]

I actually completed this level first time on my first play through. While I can see its potential to be frustrating, it wasn’t anywhere near as difficult as I thought. The boss battle was awful, though.

[@WhoElseButZane]

ya so we gotta this little lava level started still needs some work though HOLY SHIT THE GAME SHIPS IN AN HOUR

[@benjulc9271]

Or as a wise man once said. YE ESTÁ EN TIENDAS.

[@blinkowarner3117]

I kinda have to agree here. You really hit the nail on the head. I ADORE Sunshine, but that final level was crap. And you can definitely tell there are parts of the game that were rushed and not polished at all. I mean, come on...they had an opportunity to give BOWSER, king of the big lava turtles, a volcano themed final castle...and they completely blew it. Personally, given the themes of the game, I would have turned the entire volcano into a sort of evil Koopa Spa theme, like how Bowser himself is in a giant jacuzzi.

[@TheGameBoyss]

"Why didn't he put corona mountain in the title---" "Ohhhhhh........."

[@commanderblackheart5856]

I just realized that picture of ruto to the left, it seems like his setup is slowly evolving with each passing video.

[@qbert362]

Imagine it in five years

[@chamtheman551]

Hi Ceave! I was wondering if we should have a video about you discussing the reasons as to why Nintendo is removing the ability to upload levels in the first Super Mario Maker (for Wii U). What Nintendo is doing is not only outrageously idiotic, but it relates heavily on their terrible business decisions. I want to hear your opinion, considering that game is what originally sparked your channel! (luv your vids❤)

[@patrickj]

That'd be pretty short, pushing users away from WiiU, towards Switch.

[@chamtheman551]

@@patrickj yeah I know that. But there has to be more to why such a great game died so young. (I'd just want to hear Ceave's opinion honestly)

[@patrickj]

@@chamtheman551 Well, it has a successor, so... I'm much more curious as to why they already pulled the plug on "major updates" for Mario Maker 2.

[@henkwasmachine1373]

I've got a bone to pick with the Pachinko section. I've been modding Super Mario Sunshine for a while now, and in terms of mechanics, there is nothing in Pachinko that is actually broken. The reason Mario gains so much speed at the top of the 'machine' is because there's a trigger area placed there which gives Mario the speed. While this does make the stage pretty tedious, there isn't anything broken about the stage. The trigger area actually does what it's supposed to do, and it can easily be removed with certain tools. Doing so does make the game somewhat more playable, although it does get considerably harder to get the red coin in the top right of the 'machine', which I assume is why it's there. Lastly, this comment isn't supposed to be me throwing shade at you or your opinions, I just really wanted to clarify this

[@dancinswords]

Whether "the trigger area actually does what it's supposed to do," is a matter of perspective. If you define "what it's supposed to do" narrowly, as imparting the acceleration, then it's not broken. But you could also define it at a broader level, that it's supposed to contribute to an enjoyable experience, in which case it seems to not be working right. Something can be broken because of a purposeful design choice which does itself function as intended, but which ultimately conflicts with the purpose of the overall design

[@henkwasmachine1373]

@@dancinswords that may be true, but the point I'm trying to make is that in terms of mechanics, nothing is actually broken. The level itself may be considered broken by some, but there is objectively nothing in the level that's not working as it should

[@xPanda25]

@@henkwasmachine1373 you are using a different definition of "broken" entirely than Ceave clearly was. That mechanic may work just fine for the top right coin etc., but it breaks the top left coin which breaks the flow of the game, and really breaks immersion if you're struggling to complete a stage due to poor game design (such as a badly placed accelerator trigger) rather than skill/etc.

[@isetmfriendsofire]

It being broken or not really depends on if you're a whole picture or a detail person.

[@dancinswords]

@@henkwasmachine1373 You also can't necessarily determine if something's working "as it should" by looking at what's there. You can determine what it does, but what it _should_ do is a matter of the intent of the designer. Video game elements can literally only ever do what they're programmed to. Even game-breaking glitches are the product of things doing what they're programmed to do. Clearly the standard for "working" can't be merely that it does what it does

[@NovemberOrWhatever]

I was not expecting a Ceave-themed anti-capitalist rant, but I love it

[@saltysaltmaker3848]

I was expecting a video about the burny burny boat, not an example of why Nintendo is a good long-term bet compared to other games companies...as a consumer at least. They're by no means perfect, but at least they still care enough about games.

[@TheLegoNation]

If you want a good volcano level play Super Mario RPG because there’s a good volcano level in there

[@IvanFranco120]

Yeah, that one was good. But the Sunshine one is a bit wonky...

[@shrevident91]

Advertisers be like: "This guy said 'corona' in a context that doesn't have anything to do with a virus. That's unacceptable!" "24 hour news channels talk about Covid-19 nonstop and act like the world is literally ending. This is the most advertiser friendly content imaginable."

[@psuedonym9999]

Ikr?

[@coltonk.3086]

Sunshine is like the Crash Twinsanity of the Mario series.

[@MYNAMACHEF]

My favorites from both series

[@heszedjim9699]

A game losing features after blizzard replaced the original with a remake? Hmmmm good thing they never did that again

[@trapmasterV]

Just takes me back to Arin screaming "TELL ME THAT SHITS FOR REAL"

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

"Their games never feel like a rushed mess" *shows footage of Wind Waker*

[@crabking3525]

I quit my first playthrough of it back then just because the second half is a slog.

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

@@crabking3525 Yeah I always like *the idea* of playing Wind Waker more than I actually enjoy playing the majority of the game. Like, I just started a playthrough of the HD version a week ago and it's pretty fun and has a lot of momentum in the beginning, but it starts going downhill with Tower of the Gods imo, a pretty boring dungeon with an incredibly forgettable boss. And then, for the most part, things don't exactly improve from that point onwards. What's tragic is all the wasted potential here. The game has a lot going for it and if they had implemented e.g. the idea of a real Hyrule field underwater and being able to change between that and The Great Sea, it could've been an incredible game.

[@TheGoldenDunsparce]

@@Howitchewstofeel5gum Least the remake cut down on necessary pieces and streamlined some things...

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

@@TheGoldenDunsparce If it only had the Swift Sail and no other changes, it would still be the definitive version of the game lol

[@superkooper6594]

oh yeah, that mountain with the interesting name

[@givrally]

This can't be the worst level ever, there's Mario Maker.

[@nukiradio]

Pfft🤣

[@TheGoldenDunsparce]

Those damn Pick-A-Pipe levels...

[@givrally]

@@TheGoldenDunsparce Where the good pipe changes every time...

[@koolaid33]

I can't agree with his points on Sunshines controls, I dunno if its because I've only ever played Sunshine on the Switch but DEAR GOD I do not like those controls, it always feels so clunky, and unorganized to me, I do think Sunshine was rushed like he said, he brought up good points to give reason to the rumour, I like that; Also, just asking because I don't exactly know why but, how come you used Luigi's Mansion 3 fottage while you talked mainly about companies trying to cash in on their brands by tricking fans?

[@D_YellowMadness]

I've never actually understood why people compliment Sunshine's controls. The vast majority of games I've ever played have better controls.

[@evanbowl]

You know when you go into any of the 7 stages and there is a shine select with the level’s name on top? Corona Mountan has it’s own shine select name unused in the game data. It was planned to be like the original 7 stages. How disappointing!

[@berrylarry20]

Did he just really say "Love-less rushed climax"? 😂

[@Shrek_es_mi_pastor]

*L O L*