00:40 Clean (Soft Picked) 01:08 Clean (Hard Picked) 01:45 Clean (Strummed) 02:09 Crunch 03:17 Metal Microphone: Zoom H4n Boss SD-1: Vol @ 10, Drive @ 0, Tone @ 1 o'clock.
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@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
00:40 Clean (Soft Picked) 01:08 Clean (Hard Picked) 01:45 Clean (Strummed) 02:09 Crunch 03:17 Metal Microphone: Zoom H4n Boss SD-1: Vol 10, Drive 0, Tone @ 1 o'clock.
@tce69694 жыл бұрын
For me the Creamback sounds much better, Thanks for sharing
@andrelanza29204 жыл бұрын
Tony Ceder Yeah, it has a really full sound.
@javiceres3 жыл бұрын
Sounds smoother in the highs to me
@danz49044 ай бұрын
I went with the G10 Creamback for my DSL5 too. It's a big improvement in clarity and depth. KZbin audio compression covers up the extent of the difference. If you listen closely to this video you can hear the buzzy, harsh sound from the Ten 30. At bedroom volume It sounds fine, but when you go above conversation volume the Ten 30 breaks up in a thin and buzzy way and loses clarity, even after many hours of break in. It would be fine in a 1 watt amp, or if you like a little buzz to a low gain blues tone. For rock or metal the Ten 30 is not so good.
@juno44943 жыл бұрын
Nicely work here--I wish more comparisons were as direct and useful as is yours!
@JC-DC3 жыл бұрын
Cream all the way, especially with distortion. Thanks for doing this, I'm definitely upgrading my speaker!
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Happy to help!
@gitarkatili3 жыл бұрын
Creamback sounds like a big cabinet :) Deeper and richer, thanks.
@epiphone7007 Жыл бұрын
I just ordered a celestion creamback G10, minutes ago, and I am happy to be sure that is right decision by watching your vid.
@silverstaralchemist Жыл бұрын
Happy to help! It's a great speaker and I'm still happy with it years later. 👍🏼
@LeSimracerDuDimanche-fd8xt2 ай бұрын
Thanks. It helps dsl5 owners.
@oldguyjammin97323 жыл бұрын
A noticeable difference :) Nice upgrade. I snuck a 12” in mine :) love this amp
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
I wish I was better at woodworking because I'd do the same! Might upgrade to the DSL20CR some day but I'm afraid that may be too much amp for my bedroom. This DSL5 is already too loud to crank haha
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
@@samueladams6964 I agree, 20 tube watts is probably too much for most apartment musicians. The .5 watt mode is great for cranking but it isn't whisper quiet, you'll still get a decent amount of volume. I hope it works out for you! For recording I usually line out to my interface and use IRs, maybe that's something you can look into as well. All the dynamics of your tube amp but running through a virtual cab.
@silverstaralchemist2 жыл бұрын
@@samueladams6964 hey so any updates on how you liked the 5CR versus the 20CR?
@rolandoo0023 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Now I will also upgrade my small Marshall Lead 12 Combo with the G10 Creamback Speaker. Hopefully it will also sound more balanced as yours does now.
@alexortiz70413 жыл бұрын
Did you end up making that upgrade? Curious because I’m thinking about getting a 10 inch cream back for a Lead 12 too
@luizdiaz51963 жыл бұрын
The creamback sounds more full- more rich. Guess that where that extra green goes
@fishingbear55382 жыл бұрын
Damn, Celestion Ten 30 sounds great...
@VMX12k3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, you saved me dollars :) I plan to load a 70's era old 4x10 Marshall and was thinking of skimping and buying the much cheaper Ten30's but... see that they break up very quickly and sound fizzy and harsh. So thank you for the video, it helped me avoid buying 4 unsuitable speakers.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Happy to help! It's why I made this video! 😁
@jeremy78183 жыл бұрын
Based on this id actually consider 2 30s *bottom) and 2 creambacks (top) in a 4x10 saves some cash and best of both when the gain and volume goes up. in a big closed back its overall going to sound tighter anyway.
@overdrivenbrain4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations man, this is how a good comparison is done! Really helpful, thanks. I imagine the difference was bigger there. Don't know if pick up the creamback or the greenback...
@silverstaralchemist4 жыл бұрын
The difference is definitely more noticeable in person, especially with the harsh highs of the Ten30. Adds a fizzyness that I didn't really like. As for Creamback vs Greenback, I think either is a good option for upgrading. I prefer modern metal tones so I went for the more modern Creamback.
@overdrivenbrain4 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist thanks man!
@darthgibsonlp66312 жыл бұрын
Got a DSL5cr coming next week, pretty excited for it. I'll be loading a G10 Creamback into mine as well, but the TenThirty isn't half bad in its own right. It's designed to be dirty at lower volumes and the tone reflects that. A very good amp for the money.
@silverstaralchemist2 жыл бұрын
Years later and I still haven't found a reason to upgrade. In my particular bedroom I can barely get it up past 4 without feeling like I may be damaging my hearing haha So it's plenty loud and has tone for days.
@tgchan2 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist Try Jensens speakers/ I'm waiting for my custom 1x12 cab with jensen 12-15 which is 93.5db @1w. Can't wait to try it out/
@silverstaralchemist2 жыл бұрын
@@tgchan let me know if you notice a significant change in useable volume. Can't say I've ever tried a 93dB speaker before, sounds like a good way to reduce volume a bit for home use.
@cliffordholliday6793 жыл бұрын
I had no idea the difference would be that big! Picked up a DSL5CR jsut before xmas, I think a creamback would take away that annoying chime in the top end. (I play epiphone casino) Great video and thank you for taking the effort to show us all. Greetings from Germany
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
No problem! The new speaker definitely helped because it can be a very bright amp at times!
@davidpopelka40732 жыл бұрын
I hate clean channel. I was trying to avoid it by creamback. It was better but still sharp. Then Ive replaced by Eminence and it suit best to my ears but I stil do not like clean channel 😁.
@cliffordholliday6792 жыл бұрын
@@davidpopelka4073 Interresting, I have since sold the amp for a strymon irridium...
@guitarwizard19892 жыл бұрын
That little Ten 30 is a great value.
@rodrigovazquez12924 жыл бұрын
This is an absolutely great demo! Thanks
@meanttobe77243 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of buying this exactly same set with G10. But in my mind i was wondering how different they are. Hell way far better! Thanks for comparing these two
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
No problem, happy to help!
@SergeiVlassov3 жыл бұрын
Both sounded good, but I liked Ten 30 a bit more.
@nicorizzi45134 жыл бұрын
Thanks. This was helpful. Considering the same upgrade to my dsl5cr
@silverstaralchemist4 жыл бұрын
The difference is definitely more noticeable in person. The Ten30 has a harshness in the highs and mids while the Creamback is smooth and more pleasing to the ear. On the clean channel the Ten30 also broke up much faster while the Creamback gives a little extra headroom which was needed with this amp.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
@@samueladams6964 thanks for the comment! The G10 does help.with headroom but it's not something I noticed until the A/B comparison. Overall it helped tone by getting rid of that scoop and harsh high end so I'm happy with the upgrade
@Ben_the_Ignorant Жыл бұрын
The Ten 30 sounds thin and dry, the Creamback produces the typical thundery and crisp Marshall tone. Thanks for the video, I am going to order the DSL5 and the Creamback.
@silverstaralchemist Жыл бұрын
It's a great combo! Enjoy it, mine is still going strong after 7 years. 🤘🏼
@Ben_the_Ignorant Жыл бұрын
Cool to know it works fine in the long run. I ordered the amp and the speaker 5 days ago, the wait shouldn't be long any more. I never thought I could have the Marshall tone without resorting to tall wide amps and tall wide cabinets. That Creamback is such a blessing, I installed two in a Cort CM-30 and a Peavey Envoy, and the tone went from good to excellent. I never owned a valve amp, though, and I only tried the 1W DSL in a store. Despite its lack of a metal distortion, it leaves a lasting impression in the mind. Ever since I noticed the prevalent thunder of the Marshall amp in old Deep Purple records, I have unwittingly forged the desire to own one. I'm in disbelief that it is affordable, not big, and fitted with the effects loop, plus the rejoicing METAL distortion, and that it can even be played at full distortion with low volume any time of day or night. The chaps at Marshall have really cared to give the musician what he or she desires. I'm talking too much about my future amp because it fills the time while I wait. 😁
@silverstaralchemist Жыл бұрын
@@Ben_the_Ignorant the excitement while waiting for new gear is universal, so I totally understand! Haha, the amp has a huge range from clean to metal tones so you should be able to dial it in however you want and get a great tone.🤘🏼 Surprisingly loud for such a small combo too. I rarely take it above 2 or 3 on the volume knob in the bedroom, with 4 being a sweet spot where the speaker opens up.
@Ben_the_Ignorant Жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist Yeah, I got the amp and the speaker today, played the Ten 30 for an hour and swapped the Creamback, brielfy put, the Creamback is very warm, and the combo's got everything. Also, I'm sure I didn't unwittingly change the settings, but the echoes in the delay seem louder and clearer when it's in the Marshall's effect loop as opposed to the Cort's effect loop. I owe you and another youtuber a thank you because your videos convinced me I had to play that Marshall and Creamback combo. 💥
@silverstaralchemist Жыл бұрын
@@Ben_the_Ignorant I'm happy to help! It's why I put the video out, always nice to have a reference before making a big purchase! Enjoy it and I'm glad you're as happy with it as I am. 🤘🏼
@RocknRollAlive3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demonstration
@FunkyMuziq3 жыл бұрын
Great video, so instructive thank you.
@Outdoorshuntingshooting3 жыл бұрын
On my iPad Pro, not a lot in it, the creamback is a bit more pronounced in the mid range. I have a g10 creamback for the difference in price that ten 30 holds its own. The creamback took quite a few hours to feel Broken in, was quite compressed sounding when I got it.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Ten30 definitely holds its own for the price. Overall I dig the Creamback for the wider frequency it outputs so I can shape the sound using my EQ better than with the Ten30.
@Bobby_Digital374 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Looks like it’s a creamback for me! Great demo!!!
@MrBossei Жыл бұрын
Great little amp! Great video!
@tjnugent62 Жыл бұрын
The Creamback by a wide margin.
@portuguesebeer50692 жыл бұрын
I think booth are awesome. Perhaps the Cream a bit better, but no big difference, in my oppinion. Cheers from Portugal 🤘🍺🇵🇹
@arthurasp97752 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you
@silverstaralchemist2 жыл бұрын
Happy to help!
@DoktrDub3 жыл бұрын
Wow it’s crazy how sometimes you only hear a big difference once you compare two speakers, at least on distortion
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the distorted examples definitely highlight how different both speakers sound. And I mostly play hard rock and metal so the difference really matters to me. I am happy I upgraded to the Creamback because I can cut mids and still have a full metal tone whereas with the Ten30 the mids were already so scooped that I was working at a disadvantage.
@kristanbenson803 Жыл бұрын
Would replacing the speaker get rid of the “fizzy’ ness” that happens?
@silverstaralchemist Жыл бұрын
The Ten30 sounds very fizzy because it has very little midrange, which makes the treble end sound sharp and harsh. The Creamback is much more even in the EQ and I think less fizzy. But fizz means something different to everyone! In the metal section you can hear the big difference in "fizz" in the high end.
@schwellerstudios4 жыл бұрын
Nice demo, thanks!
@jjdubois61014 жыл бұрын
Great demo 👍
@charlieluna72373 жыл бұрын
Creambacks have abit more presence to them, but the 30 10s really arnt that bad considering they're less than half the price of the creams. I run 2 10" 30 10 cabs into my DSL 20 and it ROCKS. not bad on a budget and having 2 for the price of 1 creamback I'd say its still pretty good.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an awesome setup! Is that a stereo rig with two separate cabinets?
@xdx26533 жыл бұрын
i own both speakers but at 12 '' my creamback sound superior at any tube amp i own.that speaker can minimize the fizzyness of any amp you plug in to.
@OscarBenben2 жыл бұрын
Nice upgrade 🤟🏼
@MrMarcburger2 жыл бұрын
I say if you only hear the difference when you alternate between them like in this video the TEN 30 is not a bad speaker at all. Myself I'm planning to combine the Creamback with a G10 vintage in a 2 x 10.
@silverstaralchemist2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, not bad at all for the price. Lemme know how you like the G10 Vintage! For me it was a decision between the Creamback or Vintage. Still thinking the Vintage might be better for my preferred tone (high gain).
@MrMarcburger2 жыл бұрын
I use 2 G10 Vintage in a 2 x 10 atm. But I almost completed 2 new cabs of 2.x 10, slanted baffel and the plan is to move the G10 Vintage speakers into these mixed with another G10. Would love to mix each with a Gold but 2 Golds are soo expensive. Yhe current 2 x 10 is a great around cab, but I'm not much of a high gain player myself.Occasionaly a bit of Crazy Train.
@silverstaralchemist2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMarcburger I'm sure the 2x10s sound great! 10 inch speakers are definitely underrated, I'm very happy with mine!
@danieltv1233 жыл бұрын
I kind of like the Ten 30 better in most cases, it reminds a little of the V30.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Good point and if you're into metal that mid scoop makes it a little tighter. And then you can compensate for the mids by adding more if needed! I find myself reducing mids a bit when I'm playing high gain through the Creamback to reduce the "honkiness" lol
@mattx54993 жыл бұрын
It would be better just to get (or make) same size 1x10 cab with another speaker to plug it to the amp when needed instead of swapping the speaker inside the amp. Or even a 1x12 or 2x12 cab if you want bigger sound. For this combo the stock Ten 30 speaker is pretty good. The only weird thing about DSL5C is that clean channel is hell much brighter sounding when compared to the drive channel.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
YES. That shared EQ is one flaw I have with this amp. Switching from clean to ultra gain the EQ is so different haha And I agree, it might be better to just buy a separate 1x12 cab. For the price of this Creamback ($100+) you can buy a 1x12 cab for a little more and have two options to work with 🤘🏻 I've been looking at the Mesa 1x12 with V30...
@mattx54993 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist You don't have to buy expensive cab just get cheapest (like some Kustom or Harley Benton) one and then put the speaker of your choice in it. Or maybe the stock speaker will be nice. Who knows.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
@@mattx5499 The Harley Bentons come with V30s installed so maybe that 2x12 would be good for me. 👍🏻
@stringdoc3 жыл бұрын
Creamback all the way!
@richterduplessis42013 жыл бұрын
Sounds great, your vid on this amp is probably the best one I found on YT! I'm looking into getting one of these to replace my Marshall dsl40c, which is a great amp but its just too much for my current living situation and i'm not gigging atm. Would you recommend the dsl5cr for apartment/home playing & recording?
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
For my apartment/bedroom needs the amp is more than enough and plenty loud. Coming from a DSL40 you might find the ten inch speaker to be a bit of a downgrade, but the amp sounds great. It's small but still has plenty of heft due to it being all tube and I've been able to get good tones out of it running through IRs and such for recording. In my current house I can't run it at the volume I'd like for recording, but the few times I did mic it I was happy with the results.
@richterduplessis42013 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist awesome thanks! Sounds like the amp might be just what i'm looking for. Will scout my local music shops as well but many of them don't have stock in store to do any testing. Online my only option for now.
@brozio773 жыл бұрын
personally i prefer the more scooped sound of the stock speaker, even if it's a little thin sounding
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean, the Creamback can be very middy so in some ways the stock speaker was better for metal, but overall still happy with the newer speaker.
@brozio773 жыл бұрын
oh yes at the end of the day tastes are tastes. however the little ten 30 it s not that bad anyway ☺️
@nicolasbolattieberhardt11273 жыл бұрын
@@brozio77 agree with you. Stock speaker is really good. Different tones actually but both are great
@magnusnording3 жыл бұрын
Great video, i actually thought the Ten 30 sounded good on metal
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
I agree, the scooped mid sound of the Ten30 is good for aggressive styles of music like metal. Tightens up the tone a bit
@jamiemascola66143 жыл бұрын
The creamback smokes it under every test. I can't say that I'm terribly surprised given the cost difference.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the mid scoop and harsh high end on the Ten30 is really amplified when put side by side with the Creamback haha It's like an instant EQ filter being put on and off.
@bramlindhout68304 жыл бұрын
It makes a difference wich amplyfier you are playing the Ten 30. White thé Laney L5 studio thé Ten 30 sounds warm and full just like thé creamback.
@silverstaralchemist4 жыл бұрын
That's a good point, the Marshall is naturally bright so may contribute to the speaker sounding thin. Overall I still prefer the fullness the Creamback brought to my amp! 👍🏼
@purulence6663 жыл бұрын
A very good way to see differences, really nice one. I just wonder, did it differ in volume wise after switching to creamback? (I mean same volume leve different actual volume hearing?)
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
From what I remember the Ten30 was actually slightly louder when I listened to it after recording. Didn't hear much of a volume difference in person but the Cream back was definitely much cleaner and didn't break up as easy.
@purulence6663 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist I see. How about replacing speakers? I mean, was it just attached or required any soldering? I`ve bought DSL1CR a week ago and I`m considering to replace it with it`s bigger brother 5CR. But I`m not sure since I`m living in a tiny flat in Europe. Low ends are missing in 8" speaker as you can imagine. I want more solid tone with much more mids and low ends. DSL series are all trebly amps if you ask me. I`m curious if I replace it with 5CR and load with g10 Greenback, how am I going to end up like.. Both, playing at low volumes and sound improvement. I play mostly metal(death, black, thrash etc..) and I have no extra pedals at the moment. I also wonder, if BOSS SD1 helps you to get fiercer metal tones while clean boosting? It`s a great option if it really works(comparing to tubescreamer price wise) I ask you too much but you`re the ideal prototype to me, comparing your taste of music and gears you have :D Cheers!
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
@@purulence666 If you want a fierce metal tone then an SD-1 in the front as a clean boost is definitely needed. Without it the amp is a little flubby and loose in the bass end. As far as bass goes, the 10 inch speaker in the DSL5 will definitely give you more bass with the "deep" switch activated. I have a similar problem where I can't play too loud and unfortunately the louder you are, the richer the bass gets. So it will be hard to get full rich bass at low volume but the bigger speaker will definitely help. Replacing the speaker was easy, just attach the cables to speaker. No soldering required.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
@@purulence666 also, if you're going for a great metal tone maybe the G10 Vintage would be a better speaker option since it's supposed to be a 10 inch V30. Sometimes the mids in the creamback are too vintage sounding to me so I think something more like a V30 would be better for metal.
@purulence6663 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist If I had no volume issue, I`d definitely go with the v30 but as I heard and experienced, greenbacks are better speakers at low volumes. They have half wattage and slightly less db levels comparing v30.
@motiv3112 жыл бұрын
the creamback literally sounds more creamy , i dunno if that means its "better" ... the 10 30 had more definition to the tone
@JC-DC3 жыл бұрын
I just got a new Dsl5cr and the volume just cuts out. Anyone else have this problem? Its been 3 days. 1st day it didn't happen and the footswitch was plugged in. Next 2 days, no footswitch, volume cuts and buzzing, then I plug in footswitch in and no problems for 30 minutes so far???
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Volume cuts out and it stops working? I've never had that issue with mine, maybe you got a defective tube or something?
@nicolasbolattieberhardt11273 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Can u do a tutorial yo how swap the spaker?
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Right now I don't have the time to film but it's really simple! You remove the back cover, disconnect the speaker wire, and unscrew the old speaker and screw in the new one! No mods needed, it is a direct replacement. All you need is a screwdriver.
@nicolasbolattieberhardt11273 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist thanks for answear ! The thing is i have a creamback g12. Maybe de i should yo modify the cab
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
@@nicolasbolattieberhardt1127 oh yeah installing a 12 inch speaker would need a modification like chiseling out space in the wood. I saw people in forums talk about it but I don't have tools for wood so never tried it myself.
@MrSalefish3 жыл бұрын
Why did you Pick Creamback instead of Greenback? I really cant decide which one to buy... Green 30w and cream is 45w (so it will breakup more later that mean i will have to get more vol/gain?)
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
For me, I don't like too much power amp or speaker distortion since I like to play modern metal music. So the higher power Creamback made more sense for me. Sometimes the Ten30, which is also 30 watt, broke up too much and the speakers would get flubby when cranking the clean channel. It sounded great for classic rock tones to add body in the bass though. So if you're going for classic rock I'd say Greenback might be better. Also the new G10 Creambacks are made in the UK, if that matters to you. I believe the Greenbacks are now Chinese-made.
@MrSalefish3 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist Hey thanks for reply. I ordered Creamback anyway i will push it via pedals. Still its better than 10-30... I can swap it anytime again...
@MrSalefish3 жыл бұрын
@@silverstaralchemist Did you have to change bias or it was pop in and play ?
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSalefish I just swapped the speakers and started playing. The DSL5 has the clip attachments so it was very simple, no soldering required. Bias adjustment is usually done when swapping power tubes if I'm not mistaken.
@hmtp1773 жыл бұрын
Yeah the cream back sounds good BUT, I sudpect the 10 30 will sit better in a mix specially gor metal.
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Yeah with the right settings the Ten30 is great for metal. And you can push the mids without being too much 🤘🏻
@unabonger7773 жыл бұрын
did it improve much after break-in? how long did it take?
@silverstaralchemist3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I don't get to play it loud enough to fully break it in but it sounded great out of the box, got rid of a lot of harsh high end the stock speaker had!
@josed55844 жыл бұрын
It’s like the Ten 30 is designed to break at lower volume
@HiHello-ku1fl2 жыл бұрын
What about a greenback 10?
@silverstaralchemist2 жыл бұрын
I don't have any experience with the Greenback 10" but I imagine it would be a similar upgrade. More mids, more bass, more everything! As far as I understand, the Creamback is just a higher wattage Greenback so they should be similar in sound. 👍🏼
@pippydog28 Жыл бұрын
Ten 30 gets a bad rap , but it's a super good speaker on these low watt amps . It's hard to beat
@john-zw9rw4 жыл бұрын
APPLES and Kiwi..................... thats why we pay the Big Bucks..........
@frankstetka72063 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you need another cab for the old speaker and run them together🤣