CHAIR THEORY!?? (The Least/Most Important Deltarune Theory Of All Time)

[@smooto]

A small detail that's easy to miss if you're just referencing the chair on the website: the darkerthandark chair has a couple of nubs that extend above the backrest. They're black, which makes it hard to see them against the page background, but you can see the outline of one under the jacket/blanket and a pixel of highlight on the other one (you can also just view the sprite against a light background to see it). I don't think any chair we've seen has these. This doesn't disqualify town hall, since that's still the closest match, but it's worth noting. To me, “nubs” like those make me think of dining chairs in particular. If the Mayor's design sensibilities extend to her home, then what if it's a dining chair in the Holiday house?

[@Unkle_Genny]

Isn’t the Mayor being Noelle’s mom still just a theory at this point?

[@smooto]

@@Unkle_Genny the game hasn't explicitly stated it, but the storytelling is pretty clear in pointing to it. This seems like an odd thing to misdirect the audience about.

[@kawaiidragons7732]

the chair is colored a dark world shading style...

[@TheSkyGuy77]

A dark fountain opened inside of a dark world? _Darker than dark_

[@charifamilyguy]

@@TheSkyGuy77 Queen mentioned this in the giga Queen fight. Apparently, its called a "Neo dark fountain"

[@wildfire9280]

@@charifamilyguy It’s where you fight Spamton NEO NEO

[@phlutes46]

Noelle chapter 7 knight confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Genericspam_G]

@@charifamilyguyso that’s how candleholder got the idea? (A fan game)

[@anidiot4702]

Final boss of Deltarune? isn’t it obvious? Chariel. Toby fox told me trust

[@suitov]

So, this chair... Mayor maynot be significant...?

[@charifamilyguy]

This is definitely something sans would say if he watched Deltarune theory videos

[@feilkate5892]

sitnificant

[@Tulip_bip]

so, i didn't find this out, and idk if they want me to share their discord name, but somebody on discord found out something about this page that's really funny but also hurts my brain it turns out that the chair page is kind of just an obscure reference to a really old AVGN video lmao... it's from a 16 year old video called "halloween (atari 2600)". he plays a weird obscure game for the atari about walking around a house in the darkness, and the character sprite in that game is literally identical to the eyes on the chair webpage, just white instead of yellow and pink i thought it was a coincidence when i first saw it, but then i kept watching, and there's a part where AVGN says "as the game progresses you can't see the walls. the game's gotten even darker, that's right, it's gotten DARKER THAN DARK" the fact that toby decided to hide a reference this obscure in something that's like genuinely important is just......... toby.........

[@guiltyflygon]

Now this I can get behind, lol.

[@SpamDustt411]

Hope Toby makes a Haunted House section reference to make the Secret Boss or something, from bats and ghosts attacking you, the eyes in the dark, the eyes are attaking instead now... (sort of)

[@WardMercury]

soooo...you solved it

[@JDGAMER780]

Wait... that means that THE ANGRY VIDEO GAME NERD IS THE CHAPTER 3 SECRET BOSS?! XD

[@shmovinnn]

this is so funny i hope this is intentional lol

[@daisythegoddes3483]

Toby please release Chapter 3. We are going insane

[@Kirill-Ivanov2002]

We're gonna need to sit down for this one.

[@nataliaborys1554]

0:09 "Holy sit" I love it.

[@GasterExplains]

"Dess wiping away my tears with Azzy's jacket." The question we must ask is... Does she still have the jacket? FIND HER. Darker than dark.

[@Flynnisthename]

This town ain’t big enough for the two of us

[@giuseppeparry1365]

I think the chair getting darker is simply an example of an object turning into a Darkner. Maybe an image from the future showing when the Mayor's office becomes a Dark World, there might be a chair-like NPC, but not necessarily an important character. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a scene from the future of the game, since we had one right at the beginning of chapter 2.

[@Oceane1803]

I just realized something by looking at the chair sprite more closely. There are two little spikes that come out of the top of the chair. Maybe it's part of the chair, or part of the blanket, but what if it's something or someone that's hiding, maybe under the blanket ? It could just be Toby/the Annoying Dog, with the two spikes being the ears. Or maybe it's something entirely different that we've never seen before. Or maybe it's just nothing.

[@friedtoads13]

i like to think this whole thing is just toby knowing that we'll run with anything, and he thought it'd be funny to have us all go feral over a fucking chair

[@Oceane1803]

@@friedtoads13 That's definitly possible.

[@alexuz441]

piss and shit theory when

[@optimalradish]

I have been waiting for that forever

[@guiltyflygon]

🫣

[@paradoxicaloutcome1007]

When King said "Quiet people piss..." I was awestruck at the subtle reference to Susie's iconic line "Quiet people PISS" from earlier in the Chapter.

[@Kyumifun]

​@@paradoxicaloutcome1007 Man, I'm from the future and I loved the scene where Tenna said "Loud people SHIT" in reference and contrast to these two iconic lines from early chapters. Deltarune is so peak with its writing omfg

[@paradoxicaloutcome1007]

I am about to write three paragraphs about a chair in a videogame. May my ancestors forgive me. The ones in the hospital waiting room remind me more of the joint bench-like chairs you'd find in hospital corridors. I don't want to just assume that the mayor's office has similar chairs even if it makes sense, so that makes me dock points from that choice. I'm not gonna discount the chair in Rudy's room just because "one looks like it has a cushion and one doesn't" and "their hues of blue are slightly different" when Deltarune's art is famously inconsistent sometimes, and this chair is seen from a different angle, a different scale, and different lighting. The thing that especially draws me towards Rudy's room is personal experience. The blue of the "coat" heavily reminds me of the blankets you'd find in hospitals. Having had someone close to me hospitalised before (Nothing serious, no worries!), I have, in the past, spent a night or two on a chair in a patient's room with a plundered extra blanket before. Also, on another note, the whole thing with people hearing "darker than dark" and immediately assuming "dark world within a dark world" really annoys me. It seems obvious to me that "darker than dark" is a flowery mataphor for a dark world. We have no evidence that a "darker world" is even a thing. Queen seems to think that opening a fountain within a dark world would just expand the current one, and Ralsei, the person who knows the most about how the dark worlds work, never challenges that assumption.

[@jinxsterr_Dispenser3741]

looks more like a large towel to me.

[@AsterWi]

paragraphs not long enough, you have not failed your ancestors yet

[@Genericspam_G]

Well she calls them neo dark fountains, and so does Noelle mention them, Toby uses the word Neo to name things New and “improved”, spamton Neo, Mettaton Neo, every thing that is Neo has been a better version of its last. So it doesn’t out rule the fact that this expansion may be a bit darker than the previous.

[@paradoxicaloutcome1007]

@@Genericspam_G Nope, Noelle never uses the term "neo dark fountain", and neither does anyone else. Not even Queen herself uses it before or after that one time. Furthermore, she continues that single use with "then another, then another", which wouldn't make sense in terms of sentence structure if a "neo dark fountain" is supposed to be a single term rather than it just meaning "a new dark fountain". It's most likely just Queen's technobabble quirk (As neo literally just means new, Toby didn't invent the word). There is, literally, not a single thing that points to there being a layer "beyond" the light and dark worlds that we see. I don't know why it's so prevalent in the fandom. Like, it is cool fanwork fuel, not going to lie, but there is no reason to bring it up when theorycrafting about canon.

[@Genericspam_G]

@ good point, I guess I imagined the Noelle part

[@Slenderquil]

New theory: Kris sleeps like a horse

[@pteroid11]

Chair comparison. Comchairison.

[@SpamDustt411]

I Love how Toby on one of the recent Newsletters said that making all the chairs on Kris's house their own characters one by one would be ridiculously tiring (something like that), and that's also one of my favorite things about Toby, he's always teasing us and making us go insane with details like that, and that also gives me hype for knowing what's gonna be on the chapters aswell, I just know Chariel and the Eyes (maybe Image_Friend) could be potential and amazing characters showing a great concept of these chair darkners, mostly the Eyes one for the Darker than Dark theme... (Also, I belive Cowboy Section is still there in Chapter 3, but that's not the case for a Secret Boss thing Imo)

[@wm6578]

we definitely need the next chapters to arrive asap

[@thelastrob7877]

Toby got fellas hyper analyzing chairs now. Please drop them damn chapters toby 🙏

[@TheNotSoGreat1]

I personally think the chair might be a chair in the Holiday household that was originally for Dess. Since the entire Sweepstakes is focused around Noelle, I think this chair would have at least some relevance to her. The "Darker than Dark" bit might be alluding to the depths being where Dess is but I'm open for other ideas. I don't think we'll see the chair in-game since the sprite looks quite strange when compared to others we have seen so far

[@captainapac]

I’m honestly glad someone’s theorizing about the chair. It’s interesting!

[@bruno_is_here]

What 3 years without new gameplay does to a fandom

[@TheSkyGuy77]

The chair could be in G_ster's lab, when he opened a dark fountain for the first time

[@Genericspam_G]

He who must not be named

[@TheSkyGuy77]

@Genericspam_G He whom can't be named 😆

[@667link5]

I mostly associated this chair with the valentine's letter, when it says: "NOW PUT ON YOUR COAT AND WASH YOUR FACE! / OR PUT ON YOUR FACE AND WASH YOUR COAT. / NOT NECCESARIALLY IN THAT ORDER" (Dr. Wing Dings Gaster 1). Also, the closest reference that we have for it getting darker than dark within the game is when you are supossed to run around a circle to make the screen darker in chapter one, revealing a tree with a switch on it. Maybe if we could make it even darker, the tree's image would start shifting, just like the chair. Perhaps, being darker than dark reveals things that wern't there before, like the eyes that are revealed to us/the tree in chapter one? After all, only those blinded by darkness can see the way forward. 10/10 video, missed listening to you talk.

[@questionmarkquestionmarkques]

the valentine guy isnt confirmed to be gaster i saw a pretty good theory saying its probably the egg man from spookydood

[@667link5]

@@questionmarkquestionmarkques You are right, it is not confirmed to be Gaster. However, I do not like the idea of him being the egg man for several different reasons that ultimately don't matter to the conversation. I don't even really believe that Gaster wrote it, I just used him because I thought it was funnier for the mla citation joke. I believe the most likely candidate is _FRIEND. However, if it does end up being Gaster, I do think it can work if we read his character as becoming more and more incomprehensible over time. In the code of undertale, abc123 changed from being an anti-data mining message to incomprehensible laughter. If we account for writing on the wall theory (which I personally love + agree with), there is even more evidence for it. Combine this with mollystars device theory, and you get an incredible story/character arc for Gaster, all accomplished with minimal interaction from him. Anyway, under this thought process, the letter could be from a time before Gaster totally lost the ability to even speak or somehting, idk. The timeline seems hazy, but I think it could work. _FRIEND is the best option imo. But yes, you are correct. lmao

[@Genericspam_G]

Neo dark fountains

[@questionmarkquestionmarkques]

@@667link5 guess we have to agree to disagree on this one because i despise the writing on the walls theory

[@undeziner]

The brainrot has gotten so bad we’ve gone to this point

[@redsphinx113]

Please Robert... we're desperate...

[@Creatore45]

Theory sans Is Susie step father

[@xxcorrinxx6299]

This could be way off base, but I wonder if this is one of those clever double-meaning phrases that Toby Fox is particularly talented at weaving into his stories. (For example: Determination = staying determined, determining one’s fate, and de-termination/reanimating the dead). In this case, “what if things could get darker than dark” might be a way of alluding to how the story’s secrets will unfold. Whoever’s jacket that is draped over the chair, we already have a suspicion there’s some darkness lurking in their past and/or present, but maybe it all goes even deeper and darker than we imagined. To be completely honest, that’s how I feel about Undertale’s story. You think the lore is a lil dark when you get a neutral ending, then true pacifist takes some of the wildest, most horrific turns that no one could have predicted without prior insights. That sh-t was indeed darker than dark.

[@zbrodie]

Cool theory! Just stumbled upon your channel and have been binging all of your theories. Really cool to see someone with new and fresh ideas about things. Your idea of the bunker being tunnels extending throughout the public infrastructure is a really neat idea that I've never seen brought up before. Looking forward to seeing what cool stuff you come up with once we get chapters 3 & 4 next year!

[@Maukustus]

This is actually the joel vinesauce GASTER CONFIRMED 😭😭

[@Cawziiku]

Love being in several fandoms, in which two of them are losing their sanity RAPIDLY right now, bc we've really got chair theory going on here lmao

[@sagacious03]

9:19 Something that intrigued me about this is the sepia-coloured map in the office. It's possible it's so old the town layout changed, but SURELY the big building in the bottom left is the church... except in the map it's right across the road from several buildings. Did the artists not update this map? Did a bunch of houses get demolished? Or are there more roads Kris is skipping, as indicated by the mismatched roofs we can see when comparing maps? Anyway, neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@bookworm_of_heaven]

the moment you showed the chair in the mayors office i immediately went "oh, oh no, its an exact match"

[@bigchungus7356]

what years of no chapter 3 does to a person

[@Aryka109]

i really like your theory and think the chair probably has to do something with the mayor, but something i wanted to say is that the thing draped over the chair looks like it has a sleeve and reminds me of toriels pajamas that shes in at the end of chapter 2. and even though toriel is a very organized person she might not have had time to put her pajamas up after everything that happened. 🤷‍♀️

[@jackala3958]

When are we getting pile of shovels theory?

[@guiltyflygon]

No need to theorize, the pile of shovels is clearly for cleaning up the piles of asriel's dust. 😌

[@TheronBailey-n2c]

@@guiltyflygon nah all you need for his dust is a dollar, roll it up and snort him like coke

[@Cherryscentedcandle]

My only real thought on it atm is how do the eyes connect to the chair? My thought has been that maybe the chair in in the bunker (probably Gaster's chair) and the eyes belong to the friend, who is most likely working with or for Gaster (that or the eyes belong to Gaster himself).

[@TheSkyGuy77]

But what if it could _get darker than dark?_

[@Valetravelgames]

10:57 that DOES happen when you click on the chair actually

[@0bashie]

Toby please the people are going insane

[@Frddy_-sh8so]

A DELTARUNE THEORY!!!

[@alexuz441]

read that in matpat's voice

[@brandonhoffman8777]

Fantastic. but a question, how many people do you think will be playing this game when it comes out? i truly believe millions when the full game is released.

[@lwi7338]

I think that Toby just wanted to see what will happen if he put a chair getting darker and darker

[@DetonatressM]

It looks similar to Undertale's Chairiel. There is a locked room which I guess used to be Toriel & Asgore's room. Maybe Toriel has abandoned the old Chairiel in favor of the armchair one.

[@thenobody7509]

I think the chair is in the dark world perhaps in chapter 3 or 4. However im under the impression its something kris will take and put on themselves perhaps its the shadow mantle that got stolen?

[@TheVoltDenatsu]

tbh, if you put the picture in paint and flip it upside down, it looks like theres a tower in a cliffside with 3 amongus looking shadow people at the top of it. or, it could actually be that youre seeing from behind someone, looking out of a screen at 3 shadowy people. And it looks like the head of a robot, like a super nintendo ROB, with a mask on its face or something made out of cloth. I dont think the chair is necessarily the actual object of focus though. I think where it shows up might be a thing, but it might also be a perspective thing.

[@butternerd-sz1nw]

"Not too important, not too unimportant" -egg

[@JonathanMeyer-o4m]

I'm having Vsauce flashbacks with this one

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Hey Vsauce, Michael here 🕶️

[@OottyDK]

Idk what to think of this videos anymore after toby making carpets joke i think there is a basement in house kriss or noelle house that leads to a dark yet darker place... Are the dark fountains we see in the game the only ones that exist or there is More of then hidden somewhere? Places where people never go could be... Like dess room closet or something like that?

[@embryodemocracy1275]

Yassssss *writhes in the void of deltarune theorizing*

[@mel0dymak3r]

could this be a hint that there will be a dark fountain opened in the mayor's office?

[@terribleTerrestrial]

not sure if anyone has said this but!!!!!!! what if thats a shock blanket?? it looks really similar to me, but thats also like oh a blanket looks like a blanket, duh. but im just saying, its a fun idea to play around with!!

[@decadesyearoldthingsreview6595]

In undertale the boat person talks about angel is going

[@kimikanna_live]

imagine Alphys on the first lesson, starting it like major payne or something: - What do you thought, huh? This isn't elementary school anymore. You don't get to sit here!

[@iridophorium]

When I thought chair theory I thought you would also bring up the inconsistency between Undertale Chariel and Deltarune Chariel. (In Undertale the chair in Toriels room is named Chariel, but in Deltarune it's her arm chair that's called Chariel.) when I first saw it I thought "oh, Undertale Chariel with a blanket." It's not tho. Undertale Chariel has slats like the dining chairs.

[@ANSKZ_]

Ain’t no way the Deltarune community is so content starved that we’re theorizing about a chair png now 💀

[@Fobalz]

Can’t wait for the: sofa theory Kitchen theory Bed theory Table theory Gaming chair theory

[@Patrick11nf]

I'm gonna take this as another evidence for my favorite Knight theory, Mayor!Knight, thank you /jk But this is a fun subject, I like seeing people theorize about parts from Spamton Sweepstakes too.

[@JmtcOriginal]

nah, that's just chaster, the beloved true lab chair.

[@ramen_kirby]

What no chapter 3 does to a mf

[@The_Architect]

What 3 years of waiting for chapter 3 does to a man

[@dorcusss3693]

Nah that's a comfy lab chair fr fr

[@DeltaFan-po7bn]

Toby release the fucking chapters already we're going insane

[@georgewebb9074]

Chair theory let’s goooooooooo!!!

[@tokatstorm9270]

Holy sit....

[@KyleLyre13]

All I know is that if Chariel isn't a character in Ch.3, imma be salty lmao

[@Jesterpain.]

FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT

[@Jesterpain.]

NO YOU DIDNT TALK ABOUT WHAT I EXPECTED, WHAT ABOUT UNDERTALES CHAIRS? THEY ARE IMPORTANT TOO, BOTH GAMES HAVE INTERACTABLE CHAIRS

[@LITERAL_J]

Bro this is what happens when deltarune doesn’t get a chapter for 3 years Toby help

[@Uzi_doorz]

i was going to watch this video but an unskipable barney ad came on thats 3 minutes sooo

[@guiltyflygon]

Damn. Barney gets another one.

[@eggmanprettyhotngl.4721]

Dang, I completely forgot about the office chair. I definitely agree on it being the most likely candidate for the Sweepstakes chair's identity. I also never noticed the curtains on the window for some reason? Or that there was a window there at all??? Why is the Town Hall specifically designed to confuse me 😅

[@Sparkling34]

i thought the window and curtains were a picture of the eiffel tower

[@eltiolavara9]

i'll have to sit this one out

[@nziom]

I thought this is a BLEACH reference for a moment

[@Kriscrop]

NO WAY!!!

[@Captancomplations]

🙋‍♀️Mr flygon how come the chairs seem more intriguing to you?

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Chairiel the beloved living room chair 🪑 😂

[@LITERAL_J]

What if it’s a church chair because I’m sure this isn’t in every church but my church has a classroom for kids to teach them lessons of the religion so what if it’s in a church classroom?

[@guiltyflygon]

It could be, but I'd have no idea if so seems how we can't see inside yet, lol. I guess the only thing I can say is that we do see children's classroom chairs in Toriel's class that look different from this one, but the church could be different.

[@hexbug101]

Wait where’d you get them dropping this year? I thought the announcement said next year

[@guiltyflygon]

Was there ever actually a specification? All I remembered was Toby saying "in a while" in the newsletter.

[@hexbug101]

@ I’m pretty sure I saw someone share a tweet he made saying it’ll 100% be coming out next year

[@Chai_Soul100]

How far deltarune theorists can go?

[@TD0150]

It's me, Chaira.

[@malikhallsmith]

Pointless or it just went over my head 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@ThePullumFamily]

To man a chair, or to chair a man

[@leontriestoart]

The deltarune community has either lost it or reached enlightenment

[@slade-slade]

[@meriewanderer]

My humour so bad I laughed at holy sit 😭

[@Billbobs678]

Its me, chair

[@Pangolin-6312]

Cool

[@ecby5269]

Here's something

[@RonZ234]

Deltarume 😀

[@NutritionFacts1989]

what no chapter for 3 years does to a deltarune mf

[@espelhodasconstelacoes]

Good stuff man! God bless ya and Jesus loves ya!

[@Spamton123]

c h a i r

[@soggySmoggy]

this is concerning i think he’s gone mad guilty fell off after homesuck 😔 (joking)

[@zacharymcmorrow5684]

YIPPEE

[@carricksimone5122]

What 3 years no chapter does to a Mf

[@harukomeyers7073]

Thumbnail made me click

[@ChaosEnthusiast]

lol

[@five_dollar_footlong]

have you heard of chairface theory by chance?

[@JonathanMeyer-o4m]

I haven't

[@guiltyflygon]

Uh, nope lol.

[@eltiolavara9]

Holy sit...